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Speaker 2: We had the long awaited Pod meets World Boy meets

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Speaker 4: We forgot to invite people though, and it was just

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Speaker 1: Talked a lot, didn't record any that we.

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Speaker 3: Had a ton of people. How many people do soon?

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Speaker 4: Was like at least seventy right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was great.

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Speaker 1: I mean we had invited everybody who's guest starred on

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Speaker 3: I just actually being in front of Dusty now and

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Speaker 4: How did that happen?

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Speaker 1: He's like I watched him like and say hi to

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I kept talking on like the day

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Speaker 4: So of course we wanted to do it right.

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Speaker 3: So we have an amazing taco guy who's out back

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, he goes, I also work with a

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Speaker 1: Let me get you a drunk and I'll crack your back.

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Speaker 1: So we got a session booked for this week.

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Speaker 3: By the way, this was this was a big weekend

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Speaker 2: And we were like wow, when I was sixty three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I was like, have you heard of

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Speaker 1: You know what people got there? We got People were

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Speaker 3: And people also gravitated and talked to me about which

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Speaker 4: It was very full.

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Speaker 2: The thing that I also love is that the writer

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Speaker 1: That's so good to hear. I think, Yeah, you're absolutely right, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: with just you know, being having a little ingenuity. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: it was a wonderful party. We had such a good time.

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Speaker 2: doing it again. Yeah. So welcome to pod meets World.

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Speaker 2: I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm rather or Strong, and I'm Wilfredell.

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Speaker 7: And as all besties do, we navigate the highs and

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Speaker 6: Let's face it, life can get even crazier than a

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Speaker 7: And now here we are opening up the friendship circle

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Speaker 4: two of cult fiction, or what we'd like to call

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it depends. There's a lot of people

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Speaker 4: Really, what are the other time? I can't think of

441
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 4: any What are the.

442
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: Other time we have? I mean I think, I mean.

443
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 3: There's Christmas episodes every year, so obviously we know that

444
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 3: there's there probably some sort of, but I mean, I'm

445
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 3: just trying to remember if there was ever actually a conversation.

446
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: Well, I know, I'm pretty sure that when Josh is

447
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 1: in the prenatal rights or neo natal care, there's yeah,

448
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: there's I feel like there's religious stuff.

449
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 4: Going on, and well, Michael is, yeah, I do.

450
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think there's several times that it's

451
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 1: pretty explicit in the world of Boy Meets World.

452
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 4: I forgot about that.

453
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So Amy grabs Alan he would love a lawsuit.

454
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: Mister Mac adjusts his suit and calmly says, I think

455
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 2: there's a lot of anger here, which gets a little

456
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: bit of a laugh in the tension, and I don't

457
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 2: feel that this is a healthy environment for Sean. Before

458
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 2: Feoenie can speak, mister Mac cuts him off. I know

459
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 2: you don't respect my philosophy, but for kids who feel

460
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 2: lost and have an emptiness in their lives, I'm here

461
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 2: to give them a sense of belonging. Poeney shouts that

462
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 2: he cannot have Sean. Mister Mack says, well, that's up

463
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 2: to Sean, and in any event, there are many more

464
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 2: just like him. As he turns around to tell Sean

465
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: it's time to go. There's no Sean in sight. To

466
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 2: Panga and Corey are also gone, and then we find

467
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,479
Speaker 2: ourselves internals Turner's hospital room. The three of them are

468
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 2: gathered around mister Turner's hospital bed. He's all scratched up

469
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 2: and in traction. This could not have been fun for Tony.

470
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 4: No, I didn't know.

471
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 1: A bunch of makeup and just lie.

472
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 4: I watched it twice too.

473
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 3: In the second time, I just watched Tony to see

474
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 3: me if there was any kind He never budges, never,

475
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: but there's not a twitch in the man's face the

476
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 3: entire time.

477
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 4: It's amazing, so good.

478
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 2: Sean nervously tells Corey he can't be in here. It's

479
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 2: too intense. To Panga answers, but this is life and

480
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 2: this is what's really happening right now. Sean admits I

481
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: need mister Mack and to Penga shouts, no, he can't

482
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: help you with this. What is the ma with you?

483
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 2: Seawn is too worked up. He can't bear to look

484
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: at Turner like this. He tries to rush out of

485
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 2: the room, but Corey physically stops him and embraces him.

486
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: This is a hug. This is when you hug somebody

487
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 2: when you care about them and you want them to

488
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: know that. He looks Sean in the eyes and tells

489
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 2: him he can't leave here. He reminds him, Turner took

490
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: care of you. He loves you and you love him.

491
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 4: Is that real?

492
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 2: Or are mister mac in the center reel. You can decide,

493
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: but you cannot go. We can go to Panga and

494
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: Corey leave, forcing Sean to face mister Turner. How could

495
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: you screw up on your bike? I've never seen you

496
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: screw up on anything. He reminds Turner he's the screw up,

497
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 2: and he begs him not to do this to him.

498
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: Turner is still alive, but not moving, so Sean's going

499
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: to just talk to him. He admits that even when

500
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: he was at the Center, it was all the things

501
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 2: that John taught him that made him wonder if it

502
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: was the right place for him or not. But Turner

503
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 2: didn't teach him enough. And I love that. I love that,

504
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: He says, your voice, your lessons were the things that

505
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: kept being my counter arguments to what they were saying

506
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: when they would, you know, tell me a thought I

507
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: should have. The things you taught me were the things

508
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 2: that were making me you know, go against some of

509
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 2: those teachings. But I would have loved to have seen

510
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: a little bit of that in Sean.

511
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 4: It didn't.

512
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 2: We never.

513
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: But also it's weird because I'm arguing at this point

514
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: that it's good that I had his voice in me arguing,

515
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: so I'm already like bailing on the Center at this

516
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: point exactly.

517
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: That's my point is that up until this moment when

518
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 2: you reveal that to him, it's the first time you've

519
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: actually shown anybody that since the first time you visited

520
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 2: the Center, in the first two minutes, that you've even

521
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: had doubts.

522
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you had to get out as fast as

523
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 3: you joined.

524
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 4: So I think that's what it came down to.

525
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: He got five minutes to be in.

526
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: Just get this monologue going. It is like a full

527
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: three minutes. No, it's like two minutes of just me.

528
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's a lot.

529
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 2: Don't blow me off, John, don't blow me off off.

530
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: God.

531
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: For the first time in his life, he's asking God

532
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: for something. He can't take Turner away from him yet.

533
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: He begins to talk to God, saying he doesn't want

534
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: to be empty inside anymore. He tears up as he

535
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: grabs John's battered hand and John holds his hand back,

536
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: marking the first movement we see from Turner and that,

537
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: my friends, is the last time we see Tony until

538
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: Girl Meets World.

539
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: No, that's not sure. He comes back for the graduation episode.

540
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 4: I think, oh, no reference to joke show and at

541
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 4: his expense.

542
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: It's not even like it's it's a funny joke, but

543
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: it was like, damn, yeah, no, this is it.

544
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: This is the last time museum, the day we dreaded

545
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: has arrived.

546
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, this hurts, especially seeing the first those those first

547
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: two scenes with him. How great Tony is, you know,

548
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: it's I mean for me, not like it's overly dramatic,

549
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: like I said about this whole episode in general, but

550
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: he's so good as an actor, and we have such

551
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: chemistry when we get into drama together. I'm you know,

552
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: it makes me really sad having done the live shows

553
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: and getting to kind of work with Tony again, likely

554
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: on stage and we do or we do our bits

555
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: and stuff. I just love him so much, obviously as

556
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: a person, but also as an actor, like and we

557
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: have such a rapport and such an ease and he's

558
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: so good. So yeah, this makes me really sad. To

559
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: think that this is this is it.

560
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: This does to me very much feel like two different episodes.

561
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: I feel like this, this maybe would have felt less

562
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: melodramatic even if they kept everything the same, that at

563
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: the end of the day, all of this cult stuff

564
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: really ends up being about do you believe in God

565
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: or do you believe in the cult? Even if they

566
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: kept everything the same, if it had been split into

567
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 2: a two parter, h I think it could have felt,

568
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: you know, less.

569
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 4: Dramatic, even though it is a dramatic subject.

570
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: Because it's rushed, it's so rushed, so rushed, and it's

571
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: such a it's two very hard punches all in one episode.

572
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: So it does feel like two episodes to me. But

573
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: you know, I still overall liked the episode. I mean,

574
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: I I don't love the religious second half of it.

575
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 2: I wish that it had been.

576
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 4: A big deal.

577
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: It's a big deal, big deal, I mean, you know,

578
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: and I think that maybe a lot of you know,

579
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: because I was trying to organize my thoughts and think

580
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: about this, and like, you know, I probably a lot

581
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: of people look at this as somewhat neutral, you know,

582
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: like was being inducted into a system of thinking and

583
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: then he got out of it. But as as an atheist,

584
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, I think I see it probably a little more.

585
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: I just see it differently, you know, And I think

586
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of important to point out you've already

587
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: done it, Danielle. It's not neutral at all. This is

588
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: a this is a clear conversion narrative, you know. That's

589
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: what the point of this is. It's in the classic

590
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: tradition of conversion narratives. If Sean swaps one way of

591
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: thinking for the correct spiritual system, you know, he's moving

592
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: from the mac to a Judeo Christian god, you know.

593
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: And I know Will you said, like that's neutral, but

594
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: it's it's not because when Alan confronts him, he doesn't say,

595
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, you don't believe in Allah, you don't believe

596
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: in Buddha, you know, you don't, Like Sean's not crying

597
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: out for Zeus, right, Like, it's a very specific system.

598
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: It's a Judeo Christian God, recognizably so. And I think, like,

599
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, for ninety percent of the people watching Americans,

600
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: you know that you won't bat an eye about that,

601
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: or I just think that maybe that's great. But for me,

602
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: like as an individual and the irony here is that

603
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm the one actually going through the conversion as an actor,

604
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: but you know, for me as an individual like who

605
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: were you know, respects religiosity, but pretty firmly believes that

606
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: public and political life should not be organized around it,

607
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: or at least not you know, built around one one God,

608
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: one religion. This kind of storytelling which really does push

609
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: towards one, we don't towards one.

610
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: I will say that we don't really know what the

611
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: center believes either. We haven't really explained that the center

612
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: is doesn't believe in God, but so right, but it's

613
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: in opposition to God, right Apparently? Yeah, apparently, I mean

614
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: that's what I mean. By the end of the episod,

615
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: so we are Sean is converted to a Judeo Christian

616
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: God like he has.

617
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: See again, I think I I don't agree with that

618
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: sentiment because I think he's converted to believing in God,

619
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: but that doesn't necessarily mean it's Judeo Christian.

620
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 4: I think they went to specifically.

621
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: Not not label it in any way, shape or form.

622
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: It's just believing now in God, in the Higher Power.

623
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: They didn't go one way or another with it. I

624
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 3: don't think they just said, do you believe in God?

625
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: And now he believes.

626
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't think what that I mean, Like I said,

627
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: it's not Allah, it's not it's not a hinder God, it's.

628
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 4: Not all gods.

629
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: Right, But I'm saying the word is not neutral, like

630
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: we are talking about an American Judaeo Christian God, like

631
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: that's what that's what Sean is crying out to. He's

632
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: not crying out to a higher power and in a

633
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: sort of neutral sense like there's.

634
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: But I do think the word of God does represent

635
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: we speak English, so we have we've said God rather

636
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: than Allah. But I do think many religions believe in God,

637
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: and then you can call it different things based on

638
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: your So, yeah.

639
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: Many religions believe in multiple gods, like yes, God, but

640
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: zeroing in on one right definitely the correct It is right,

641
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: and God is a personal being that you can like

642
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: all within the traditions of Judeo Christian Like. To act

643
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: otherwise is to me sophistry, Like it's pretty obvious what

644
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about, and you know it's it's Sean goes

645
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: from an alternative system that we don't know.

646
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: We don't know what it is.

647
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 5: It's not the mainstream correct system that the Matthews Mathews

648
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 5: everybody else sort of agrees on. And I think that

649
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 5: there was an assumption of for most television viewing audience

650
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 5: that that is we all know what that is is.

651
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 5: You know, it's maybe not Christian, it's maybe not Jewish,

652
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 5: but it's definitely Judeo Christian. Like that's that seems to

653
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 5: me like a given.

654
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't.

655
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, then we're back in the hospital waiting room.

656
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: Sean walks out of Turner's hospital room back into the

657
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: waiting room where everyone is still huddled around. Corey asks

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Speaker 2: how Turner's doing, and Sean knows he's going to be

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Speaker 2: fine because he is a doctor beause he forgot me.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, going back to the episode where I, uh.

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Speaker 2: Forgot he delivers babies, he is actually a physician.

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Speaker 1: Don't you miss that, Sean?

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Speaker 4: Right now?

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Speaker 1: Like you're just like talking about that shot. A little

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Speaker 1: bit of that, just just a little thing, a bit

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Speaker 1: of that, Sean, what would have been great as if

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Speaker 1: Sean like, because I think the reality is that Sean

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Speaker 1: is because he's so charismatic and likable, like he would

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Speaker 1: have started his own cult or actually would have joined

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Speaker 1: the cult and then become really good at it and

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Speaker 1: like would have been out like converting younger kids.

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Speaker 4: He's giving me a great idea. I may twenty five

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Speaker 4: grand this week. This is awesome, right, like a little

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Speaker 4: bit of chat Hunter and him.

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Speaker 2: He could have been a great episode just but that

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Speaker 2: could have been the two parter. So mister Mac approaches Sean,

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Speaker 2: which really makes me wonder what this waiting room was like,

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Speaker 2: considering the last time we saw him he was in

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Speaker 2: a somewhat physical fight. He knows it's been a very

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Speaker 2: stressful day for Sean, so he thinks he should come

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Speaker 2: back to the center. Sean agrees he'd like to go

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Speaker 2: back to the Center to grab his things and then

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Speaker 2: if it's okay, he'd like to come back and stay

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Speaker 2: with the Matthews. Amy softly smiles that's okay. Mister Mac

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Speaker 2: opens his arms and tries to hug Sean to convince

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Speaker 2: him otherwise, but Sean stops him. I see you right

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Speaker 2: in front of me, and I hear what you have

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Speaker 2: to say, and it's nothing. Sean admits, if he were

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Speaker 2: an empty person who didn't have anything to believe in,

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Speaker 2: he may go with him, because that would be easy.

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Speaker 2: But he's done with easy, he's done with empty, and

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Speaker 2: he's done with mister Mac. Mister Mack is disappointed, telling

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Speaker 2: Sean they will always be there for him. Sewn agrees,

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Speaker 2: he knows. As mister Mac walks out, Sean smiles at

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Speaker 2: his loved ones. He made the right choice. And there

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Speaker 2: it is. There's the cult episode.

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Speaker 3: Sean joins a cult. They were right, They didn't need

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Speaker 3: any more descriptions. What else is there, Geez, Sean joins

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Speaker 3: a cult, Sean joys a cult, and Alan is a

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Speaker 3: stone cold killer.

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Speaker 4: He's a killer. My god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it.

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Speaker 4: Was a lot. It was a lot.

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Speaker 1: I'm so curious what the contemporary reactions were like, and

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Speaker 1: I am curious what most people, like most of our

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Speaker 1: fans like, I can't wait to talk to the brum

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Speaker 1: Meads world guys, Like I'm very curious how this goes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like in the because it's yeah, it's just so much

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Speaker 1: and it's so you know, uh, fourth season has been

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Speaker 1: just a ride, like for the most part, really consistently

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Speaker 1: great but also very funny. So for me, like the

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Speaker 1: biggest sort of sin of the this episode is its

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Speaker 1: lack of giant laughs, Like it would be great to

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Speaker 1: just have a little bit more humor. Yeah, personally, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I'm so curious where most people sort of fall

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Speaker 1: on this one.

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Speaker 3: Was this?

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Speaker 4: Do you do either of you remember? Was this an

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Speaker 4: audience episode?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. God, I'm assuming so I think I

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Speaker 1: feel like I felt the pressure of that hospital scene

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Speaker 1: knowing that there was also a live audience.

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Speaker 4: Like, wow, Oh you think you did that in front

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Speaker 4: of the audience?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Because I remember, well, I remember where it was on

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Speaker 1: this say. It was actually in front of they built

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Speaker 1: it in front of the school or in front of

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Speaker 1: the god it was it was right next to the backyard,

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Speaker 1: so like it. It was right in front I remember.

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Speaker 1: I think the reason I remember it is because, you know,

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Speaker 1: I could feel the pressure of having to deliver this

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Speaker 1: whole monologue in front it.

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Speaker 2: What a feeling. Well, please join us for our next episode,

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Speaker 2: which will be season four, episode twenty two, learning to Fly.

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Speaker 2: It's the season finale that originally aired May nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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