WEBVTT - Quinyon vs. Kool-Aid, Chop vs. Turner, TOP 5 Defense Rankings | Ticket to the Draft | Washington Commanders 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.040 On today's episode of Ticket of the Draft podcast, we 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:05.000 talked top fives plus one. We talk about guys that 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:07.200 can bend, that can goes, guys that tackle on I 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.559 think we come to conclusion we just like football players, Jason, 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.400 Guys that are tough, nitty gritty, and it all starts 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:19.760 right now. Welcome to the Ticket of the Draft Podcast. 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:21.959 I'm Logan Paulson with just the Guy Jason. It just 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:23.480 reminder you were brought to you by Sea Geek, the 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.320 official primary ticketing partner of the Washington Commanders. And on 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.640 today's show, we are talking top five plus one at 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.040 every defensive position, and make sure you guys stay tuned 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:34.800 for next week. Also because we have Connor Rodgers from 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:36.800 PFF NFL Stock Exchange, right. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:38.960 Yeah, he's onn that with Trevor Sigma. He's also for 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:41.040 NBC Sports. 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.520 Right, and so he does that, and obviously that's Jason. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:45.599 Just to guy, Jason, here's me, and we are going 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:50.080 to give you our ultimate Defensive Draft Guide basically today 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:51.800 with the top five at every position. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.680 Yeah, this is basically part two. We did offense last week, 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.280 we're doing it this week for all defensive positions. So yeah, 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.440 top five plus one plus one being that person that 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.760 you're inviting to the wedding. They're not they don't know 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.360 the brider groom. They're just like somebody that you want 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.160 to hang out with and you're there. So like this 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.760 plus one is maybe not is not number six in 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.440 our top ranking, may not even be in the top 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.520 ten or the top twenty. It's just a guy we 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.200 want to talk about because maybe they're gonna be invited 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:19.400 to the party here in Washington. 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.920 Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's that's a that's a 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:23.399 great description. So do what do you want to start? 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.160 You want to start with interior defensive lineman. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.360 Yeah, let's start with interior defensive line before we start 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:29.400 with what they want to ask you? 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is how hard is it for you 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:36.440 to watch defensive football players online? Insanely It's insanely hard. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.360 So, well, two things, all right, So you're gonna have 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.960 a different experience with this than me because I don't 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.000 know what I'm talking about. I'm just a guy. So 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.440 like offense, I feel like I have a better grip 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:48.360 one when I watch it. 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.240 There's also more stuff, there's more well. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.200 There's more data points, right, But also like when you're 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.720 a fan of football, like, that's. 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:56.800 What that's what you watch. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:57.800 That's what you're watching. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:01:58.080 Right. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.440 So if I'm sitting there and I'm watching the Manders 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.720 on Sunday and I'm watching it in real time, I'm 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.640 watching what the offense is doing, even when we're on defense. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.800 Yeah right, yeah, you're not watching what the defense is doing. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:12.720 I mean, that's why I have to go back to 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:14.679 see that. That's how I watch film usually too. I 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.400 watch offensive football, like I'm an offensive player. I do 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.480 watch some defensive stuff, but even just the way they 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.760 shoot the games on the on the TV, they kind 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.400 of cut the back end of the defense off there, 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.480 which is the one of the more important parts of 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:29.360 the defense to see. And so for this evaluation, for 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.640 some of the defensive linemen, it's easy because they're always 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:33.480 in the shot on the TV copy. But for some 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.000 of these corners, some of these linebackers, some of these safeties, 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.480 it was it is slim pickens. You're watching every scrap 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.840 of information you can find on the internet for like 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.480 maybe ten plays total. So it's gonna be tough. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.160 Yeah, And I think the thing, especially with d lineman 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.760 or linebackers, especially as you never hear their name get 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.160 called unless they either screw up or do a good play, 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.800 and that's that's very rare in the game as far 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.400 as data points, like if you're a wide receiver on 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.240 a on a good team, like if you're draftable wide receiver, 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:05.040 you're getting ten targets, eight catches somewhere in there. So 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:06.880 there's like a lot of data points that's going on 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.880 in the game. You could be an outstanding interior defensive interior. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.320 You don't get a sack that game, and you get 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.000 maybe two tackles for a loss, so that you're only 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.560 getting your name called twice. But when you go back 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.600 and watch them, like like what you're saying, you watch 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.360 every snap, every play, this guy affected the game in 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.960 a great way and you do a good job. Actually, 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.800 on our command center shows when we break down film, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:30.840 when it's like all right, break down Deron pain for 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.680 this game. He needn't get a sack, But look at 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:34.920 how this guy's affecting this game. Right, You're not going 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.040 to hear his name called on this play, but he's 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.040 causing this bad throw. He's causing the quarterback or the 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.920 running back to bounce out where Jamon is standing to 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.760 wrap him up, Like, and we just hear Jamon get 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.040 called in the game. Because it's happening so fast, you 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.240 don't expect the color commentators to pick up on that stuff. 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.720 But when you logan go back and rewatch that film, 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:56.720 you're like, yeah, Jamen made a great play here, not 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.360 taking anything away. This is a dron pain though, right, 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.160 and like, uh, you do a great job of that 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:03.640 on Command Center all our fancial checkout Command Center, especially 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:05.440 in season when you do your film breakdowns. 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:06.600 Thanks. Man, that's very nice to you. 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.000 Yeah, but it's hard. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:08.920 Yeah, it's hard. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:10.280 Defense is really hard. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.800 It's really hard. It's uh, it's yeah, it's it's tough. 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:14.520 But we're gonna give you our best guests here, best 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.960 estimations because we like I said, I've watched a ton 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.760 of film on a lot of these guys. Now, the 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:21.800 juice isn't always worth the squeeze, you know, for some 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:23.760 of these corners. Like I said, I've watched four or 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:25.920 five games like whatever, I can find a couple of 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.400 highlights and it's the same four or five plays. Right, 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.080 There's just not a lot to go off of. So 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.680 we're kind of going off of Combine Senior Bowl all 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.480 the stuff we've been to, but we're gonna give you 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:35.120 our best take care. 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.240 Yeah, so let's do five to one. Okay, we'll start 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.320 with defensive interior and I'll go first, number five to 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:42.279 and Andre Sweat. 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.440 That's my dude. That's your dude from Texas. 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:51.360 Number four, Rouke o'roo from Clemson. All right. Three Brandon 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:52.640 Fisk from Florida State. 0:04:52.760 --> 0:05:00.480 Two j J Jaz Right is it jus On? It's 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:01.280 from Illinois. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.080 And number one Byron Murphy the second from Texas. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.240 Crushed it. So I'm pretty much the same as you. 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.000 I've got Jandre Sweat from Texas. At five, I got 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.120 Chris Jenkins. That's the only difference in our list. You have, 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.880 Ruca Roro. I have Chris Jenkins from Michigan, Braden Fist 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:21.320 from Florida State, Jason Newton from Illinois, and Byron Murphy 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:22.000 from Texas. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.160 Yeah, so let's talk about our differences. You want to 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.000 kick it off with Chris Jenkins from Michigan. 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:28.840 Yeah. Chris Jenkins is a guy that I just when 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.480 you watch him, I feel like he's got a lot 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.560 of kind of NFL feel, if that makes sense. Like 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.880 he uses his hands very well. He knows how to 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:39.200 penetrate the gap. He's an excellent run defender. At the Combine, 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.479 he tested better than I expect that and a lot 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.080 of people were disappointed. But you know, he runs a 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.360 four to nine. He's almost he think he's over three 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.560 hundred pounds three zho five, so big athlete that I 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.200 think has not quite tapped his potential as a pass 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.520 rusher yet. In that Michigan defense, they really don't allow 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.599 those guys to rush. You know, they're kind of a 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.600 blitz heavy scheme and those guys are stunting and looping. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.279 But when you watch him fight, like defend the run, 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.600 he is an excellent run defender, which makes me think 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:05.359 he's got a very low floor. And I think, you know, 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:10.159 his dad, obviously, Jenkins played for the Panthers, played for 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:11.640 the Jets way back in the day. He's got this 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.920 NFL p pedigree, so he's been there, he's done that, 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:15.719 he's been around it. I just feel like he's a 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.240 guy that's a very safe prospect with some high athletic 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:22.120 upside compared to Rucro who again I like his film 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.360 a lot. Again, a big, high ceiling type of guy, 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:26.960 but I feel like there was a little bit of 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:31.279 inconsistency in terms of kind of his consistent awareness. That again, 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.960 I like him a lot. He's probably my sixth or 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.880 seventh guy if there's on this list, so he's very close. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.560 But I just I just felt like Chris Jenkins was 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:43.320 such a get on base type of pick. And it's 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.960 it makes it easier because I think he's I think 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.000 he's got a high, high ceiling as well. 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.040 So yeah, I like Chris Jenkins too. It's not like 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.720 I don't and he goes right there. Yeah, No, I understand. 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.120 He's very good against double teams. I'm gonna tell you 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.719 what I wrote down. Good against double teams. He's pretty 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:05.039 quick with his first step to get across the face, right, 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:09.520 So not necessarily exactly, that's a great way. Yes, that's 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:13.320 where they use it. And he might be the strongest dude. 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:14.239 He's very powerful. 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.040 He shoves people around no problem, makes him look like 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:21.400 rag dolls. But I did have that his pass rush, 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.960 that first step explosive. It's up there a little lacking 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:28.120 I think in this class. And it's almost like he 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:33.400 his arm or hand placement sometimes gets a little off. 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.320 I don't know if it's because he has shorter arms 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.320 or it's not a right technique. It looks like you 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:41.560 just he can get out leveraged with his pads sometimes. 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.360 That's what it looks like to me. 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:45.840 No, I think as a pass rusher doesn't. He doesn't 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.160 have that feel yet. But I think when you see 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.560 the athletic traits for the position, that's what I'm banking on, right, 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.160 And I think it's you know, what you describe there 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:54.960 is kind of the opposite like Ruca Roro. I don't 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.520 think it's a great run defender necessarily, Yeah, but he 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.960 does flash pretty consistently as a pass rusher because he's 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.360 six ' five, he's three oh five. He runs well, 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.960 he bends well. He's kind of got that feel, that 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:10.120 length in that feel. But again, like I think both 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:11.760 these guys are gonna get on the field early in 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.280 their careers as kind of early down run players. And 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.480 I think Chris Jenkins the path is just like he's 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.320 pro ready in that area. Yeah, and I think he'll 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.880 grow more quickly because he's gonna get more opportunities than 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:22.240 Rook Roro early. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.960 I hear you, And speaking of Ruke who was my 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.120 guy at number four, I agree with you on everything 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.560 you said I have here that like he looks in 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.360 pass rush like maybe a one trick pony. He does 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:36.079 his speed handswipe thing. I don't know what it's technically called, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.320 but he does it almost he does it all the 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.800 time where he like jumps real quick and then one. 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.480 Of these like it's like a quick swim, yeah, tight. 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.320 Swim and if he if that doesn't work, it doesn't 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.520 look like he has much else. He doesn't have a counter, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:50.680 he doesn't have much else. 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.520 He's a little bit of like like well I use 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.640 this term to describe like raw athletes. He's like a 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.200 wild horse, like he's a big great point. He's out 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.160 there just kind of run around and plays hard. I 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.360 mean like, I mean, I like the player. It's just 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.400 he's got a lot of potential. I think. Again, it's 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.520 it's apples to apples here really because they both have 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:11.880 their issues. But the consistency that Chris Jenkins plays with, 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.280 if there's a professionalism there that I'm going to bet 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.760 on just a little bit. And again it's it's again 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.199 it's six and one a half dozen in the other 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:20.920 kind of thing. But that's kind of how I feel. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:22.480 Well, the reason I like ruke is because he has 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.240 low center of gravity, doesn't look like he ever loses 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.720 balance even when he is getting pushed around, like what 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.040 I was talking about, Like great going in there. Yeah, 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.640 excellent athlete. He has great pursuit and doesn't give up, 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.000 like he'll keep going even if it looks like he's 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:37.559 out of the play. You'll come out of nowhere on 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:39.840 the back end, he just keeps ustling. Yeah, and he 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:44.440 does have a good first step with like he's a 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:44.840 good tach. 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:46.199 Yah, he's in the rookie. 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:47.480 He's a good player. 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.760 He's a good player, and the athleticism there is exciting. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.800 So when you put him at four, not mad at, 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.560 I just think there's the consistency, is what I'm betting on. 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.560 With Chris Akins. I wanted to ask you about Gisean 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.720 Newton just because he's a guy that I'm having a 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:02.920 hard time categorizing. And I put him ahead of Braid 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.560 and Fist because I think he's got better measurables, like 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.360 more NFL ready measurables. But everyone talks about him as 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.560 being this explosive, disruptive football player, and I'm not sure 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:12.560 that I always see that. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.360 Well. Interesting, and here's what I got for him. I 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.720 have that he has a nice burse off the line, 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:18.880 which makes him pretty darn good in the run game. 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.680 I think he has good feet that doesn't stop turning. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.640 His feet never go flat. He's constantly moving those feet 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.559 and churning a good hand movement. Looks like he has 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.720 good placement here, but he will get caught up and 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.280 shoved around every now and then. I don't know if 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.920 so he's listed as six to two two ninety five, 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.280 maybe he's getting shoved around again because I'm not sure 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.720 if like he's got I don't dense right. I don't 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.120 know if he's dense right. Maybe he doesn't anchor down 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.760 enough when he needs to, so I'm not sure what 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:52.920 that is. And I think that's the thing about him. 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:54.520 I think the thing with Yeah, I like that. I 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.920 like that description. And then he's not like a top 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.520 shelf athlete. I don't think like when you watch him, 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.280 it's interesting watching him because he's a little stiff, doesn't 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.760 bend super well. He is disruptive, but he's not, you know, 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.640 overly powerful. He's not overly quick. He does flash, so 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.320 I don't like it when you watch his highlight only 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.120 flash time he does flash, but there's like this kind 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.360 of those those moments of inconsistency, which I find really 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.959 hard to categorize. But I do think he is more 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.400 disruptive than a guy like Braden Fisk, who again is 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.960 one of my favorite players in the entire draft. And 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.200 then obviously Byron Murphy is a guy that I just 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.439 cannot I just think he's going to be an excellent pro. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.360 I just think the way he bends, the way he moves, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.560 his strength, he's got good hand usage. I think he's disruptive. 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.400 He's got a good motor, and that's to me why 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.600 he might be. I think there's a world where he's 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.280 the first defensive players like that. I don't think that's 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.040 very likely, but I think there's an opportunity for that 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:40.439 to happen. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.680 Yeah, I agree with you, complete with him. The only 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:44.760 the only question I have about him is he's he 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:46.880 seems small. He looks small. 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.440 I mean he's not tall, right, he's like six foot 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:50.720 or six. What is it? What is his list at 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:51.240 six one? 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.680 He's listed at six to one. He's three oh eight, 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.200 so there's weight there. But the six to one on 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:02.160 his arm length I think is fine. But uh, it 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.679 looks like to me, right, he's not great with range 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.280 and speed side to side, looks like he runs out 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.160 of gas a little bit and he fell down a lot. 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.360 He does fall down a lot. Yeah, he's super athletic, 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.040 but falls down. And I don't love that. I don't 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:17.760 love when I see that. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.240 But these are nipigy things because he's my number one guy, right, 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.480 I agree with you completely. When I watch him, it's like, 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.000 this dude can be dominant. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:25.480 I forget what cut up I watch, but just his 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.640 ability to get hands on guys, get to a low, 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.200 like one knee position, almost like shock and shed, while 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.120 also having some pass rush ability. He feels very raw 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.240 to me. But I do think he's a guy that 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.000 athletically like. I was just so impressed with though how 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.319 he moved at the combine. I was impressed with his film. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.280 He just I think he To me, it's it's you're 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.200 betting on traits and you're hoping that he gets coached 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.040 up and detailed up, because I think he's a pretty 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:50.760 good football player already. But I think there's more to 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:51.920 tap into there for sure. 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.559 Yeah, absolutely, all right. The last guy I definitely want 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.400 to talk about in this is cave Andre Sweat because 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.760 I can't talk about he's one of my guys there. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.920 If you listen to this podcast regularly, A thank you, 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.559 b you know, I have my guys. Like I said, guy, 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:06.960 I can't. 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.040 I was just looking at you guys are there. 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.280 I can't. I can't quit it. And it's at some 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.400 point I'm just going with my gut and I'm gonna 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.000 bet on these guys and if they turn out, then 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:19.480 I'm gonna hang my hat on it. If they don't, 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:20.960 I'm gonna be like, oh, it was my first time, 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:22.800 so I'm not so, you know, don't put too much 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.360 weight on it. But I love Devondre Sweat. He's huge. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.400 He he runs out of gas right, He's perpetually one 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:32.120 e with the blinking light. But that first burst for 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.800 someone his size, reading at three sixty two is incredible. 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.360 He clogs up the middle. He's not gonna play every play, 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.800 but he is going to be an excellent run stopper 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.800 for you and goal line sets. Good luck trying to 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.880 go up the middle with him. One of the things 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:47.839 I wanted to say about him is Danny Kelly at 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.400 the Ringer does a great job with comps I think 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.680 I showed this to you, and his comp was the 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.200 ever given And if you don't know what the ever 0:13:55.280 --> 0:14:00.560 given is, that is the crater ship, the that got 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:04.160 stuck in the right. That's what he is. 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:04.960 He's huge. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.080 He doesn't move fast, but he is going to clog 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.959 everything up. Good luck getting through. 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.280 Yeah, And the thing that impressed me is he's not 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.960 just a big guy. He's got pretty good hand usage too. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.160 Like his ability to kind of like attack the playside 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:20.880 pad of the guard and get a push pull and 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.840 grab cloth and kind of get skinny, relatively skinny through 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.120 there and push gets some pushback was pretty impressive. So 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.120 I do think if he could lose fifteen pounds, I'd 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:31.640 be much higher on him. But again, I think the 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.560 weight issue is he going to play every play like. 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:35.400 It makes me a little bit concerned. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.880 Obviously, it's amazing we're saying that a three hundred and 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:39.240 sixty two guy can get skinny. 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.440 Yeah, I mean that speaks to what he brings, and 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.480 he does. He does burn out, does gas out. But 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.240 I do think but there's something there to him. And 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.000 I think let's talk about our plus one's real quad. 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:49.520 Let's do it. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.280 So you got a guy that I haven't watched yet, 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.560 Jordan Jefferson from LSU. Yeah, and talk about him real quick. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:55.920 All right, so I think this guy is going to 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.000 go definitely in the later rounds. Okay, Like I wouldn't 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.240 even put him in my top ten, but I could 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.200 see this as like a let's let's take a fire 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.760 on this guy because he has this trait. He is 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:13.119 a dog. He is super strong, and he's not the fastest, 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.960 doesn't as the best first step, but this dude has 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.840 a nice swim move and liked Tovandre. He is going 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.400 to clog up that middle on run games and he 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:27.880 is relentless. He doesn't give an f and that's so 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:29.880 he's lacks in other areas. 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:30.120 Right. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:34.320 He can completely disappear. He can completely get taken out 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.760 of a play in the sense of like, oh, we 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.240 know this is happening, here's a screen pass. He's completely fooled, 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.960 like there's no he runs out of gas kids, She's like, 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.720 there are things there. But he is an animal. So 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.640 I like that mentality that he brings. And there are moments, 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.720 especially when LSU was playing sort of a little bit 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.440 of weaker competition, he's just tossing guys around. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.480 You can tell he's one of the stronger guys on 0:15:58.520 --> 0:15:59.840 the fields. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.720 Yeah, so I think that those things are going to 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.440 translate nicely for a team in the later rounds, right, Yeah, 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.160 that mentality strength. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.960 You're looking for qualities too. I think that's the thing. Is, 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.000 like we'll talk about this, maybe maybe we have time 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.240 for another show like this at some point, just like 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.280 what you look for in a later round prospect. And 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:18.720 because like you know, we've talked about this metric before 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.480 on our show. It's just like you know, there's this 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.120 binary yes or no, and as you move down the list, 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.200 there's a lot more nos, right knows or maybe's or 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.640 whatever there is, right whatever color we're using to kind 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.840 of denote the gray area there. And when you can 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.800 find a guy that has a trait the strength, the speed, 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.080 the size, whatever it is, Like you know, I sent 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.680 you a video this weekend of the guy from the 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.760 Canadian Football League, the oppensive tackle. Right, he's six seven, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.360 he's three point fifty three. Like that guy is not 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:45.880 going to be a first round pick. He's probably not 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.480 going to be he's probably not going to be a 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.000 fourth round pick. He's going to be a fifth six 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.480 to seventh round pick, but he's got traits. So if 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.880 I'm kind of mortgaging my future on a guy, I 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.800 want a guy that could eventually, at some point figure 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.680 it out and get it done. So I also have 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:00.520