1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So today we are 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: kind of turning the tables. It could be fun, it 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: could be a total disaster. I'm not sure what to 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: expect because today I am bringing a Detroit based reporter 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: into my podcast. 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: His name is Sam Robinson. 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: First, I want to talk to you about my partners 8 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: at Preborn. According to a recent study, as many as 9 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: twenty percent of women who undergo chemical abortions suffer complications 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: and sometimes even death. 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That's Pound two fifty baby, 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: or visit preborn dot com slash dixon. That's preborn dot 28 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: com slash dixon sponsored by Preborn. You know, Sam, I 29 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: watched what you do on Twitter every day or ex 30 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: whatever we call it now, and I think you're one 31 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: of the most genuine reporters out there that's constantly talking 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: about what is good for your community, what your community needs, 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: and you've just recently started your own site. I want 34 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: to talk about all of that, but I have a 35 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: lot of respect for what you do, and that's why 36 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: you You actually reached out to me, and I was like, Hey, 37 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: how about you come on and I interview you. And 38 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what you thought about that, but I'm 39 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: glad you said yes. 40 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: Yes, I didn't even hesitate, did I really? No, No, 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: I talked to everyone. I uh, you know, I. 42 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 4: Appreciate you for bringing me on and being willing to, uh, 43 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 4: you know, have this sort of long form discussion. You 44 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 4: were willing to have it with us when you were 45 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 4: a gobernatorial candidate back a couple of years back. I remember, uh, 46 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 4: you know, covering you asking questions. You know, you weren't 47 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 4: afraid to go where the tough questions were with Beth 48 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 4: LeBlanc or Craig Mauger at the News. So, you know, 49 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 4: kudos to you. Everyone in the press corps seemed to 50 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 4: the consensus was, you know, Tutor, you know. 51 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 3: She's a care she's a she's she's. 52 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 4: Willing to take our heart and tough and sometimes repeat 53 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 4: over and over and over again questions questions that you 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 4: know people, was this the issue that that people cared about? 55 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 4: I think when you talk about issues, whether it's in 56 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 4: ben Harbor, Kalamazoo, Flint, Midland, Saginaw, Detroit, Ann Arbor, you 57 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 4: know they talk about kitchen table. 58 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: They say that phrase for a reason. 59 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 60 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: And actually before we started recording, I was talking to 61 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: you about your hometown right now is not represented by 62 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: a state senator. The governor is supposed to call a 63 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: special election, but she hasn't done that yet. And I said, 64 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? And you were like, 65 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think people there even realize. And 66 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: that was such a good point because when you talk 67 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: about kitchen table issues, people hear that term and they're like, 68 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: what does that actually mean? I mean, people in Michigan 69 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: want to know about jobs, they want to know about 70 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: the economy. They want to figure out what's going to 71 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: happen to bring those that money back into their own household. 72 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: It's not about the bigger picture, I think, no. 73 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I just think that even when you get 74 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 4: down to the arguments in the legislature, a lot of 75 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 4: the issues that we know that you know, lawmakers know 76 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 4: that they will need to pass once that deadline hits, 77 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 4: they pass it. You know, we haven't had a governor 78 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 4: shut down in Michigan sometimes. I mean, we'll see that 79 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 4: this year with this upcoming state budget. But it's really interesting, 80 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 4: you know, I think Matt Hall is a different kind 81 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 4: of leader than we from Joe Tate a few months. 82 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: Detroit's Joe Tate. He's a state rep in the first 83 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 4: ever black House speaker. A lot of Democrats are looking 84 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 4: back at that and wishing that they had a different 85 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 4: House speaker. 86 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: But you say that, and I think, let me explain 87 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: a little bit about why I think you're saying that. 88 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: I think at the end of not a lot happened. 89 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: Not a lot of bills were passed during his time there. 90 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: I think he faced a few challenges. He had a 91 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: tie in the House for a while, so during his 92 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: tenure he didn't have exactly the opportunity that people might 93 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: have thought he had. But then at the end it 94 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: was sort of a everything kind of exploded and there 95 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: were these what is it, it's nine bills, right that didn't 96 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: go to the governor. 97 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it was nine bill that were supposed to 98 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 4: be sent to the governor to be signed that just 99 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 4: didn't somehow end up getting sent. You know, current court 100 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 4: battles are playing out to see whether or not those. 101 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 3: Are going to be assigned and sent to the governor. 102 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 4: But it's it's a really, you know, interesting thing that 103 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 4: happened that Detroitter's were watching along where we had our 104 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 4: Karen Witset State representative. She covers the west side of 105 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 4: the city side with Matt Hall, really trash and disparage 106 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 4: Joe Tait, who she hadn't had a reason to do 107 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 4: do that before this lame Duck session. She was, you know, 108 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 4: going for her own sort of Detroit agenda. 109 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: I think that there's there is. 110 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because I was watching this happening obviously, 111 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: and I think for it's that same thing that you 112 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: just were talking about. People are concerned about their own 113 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: personal life situation and they're like, I don't care about this. 114 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: So she was kind of fighting on a few different fronts, 115 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: I think water and then wanting to lower the cost 116 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: of water for Detroit for people in her district. 117 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: And then also this restaurant bill. 118 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: So in Michigan, this bill passed that people are gonna 119 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: the restaurants will have to pay minimum wage instead of 120 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: the tipped wage, and then the tipped wage they think 121 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: will go away. And there were a lot of there 122 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: are a lot of restaurants that are very upset about 123 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: this because it increases their cost and their servers are 124 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: sometimes getting less money. So we actually had a group 125 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: of restaurants on our side of the state that brought 126 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: in five legislators, and to your point of people being 127 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: out of touch, they just kind of I give them 128 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: credit for sitting down with the restaurants, but the restaurant 129 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: owners were begging them, please help us, please help us. 130 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: And they were like, this is how it goes. 131 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: It's you know, a battle, because we if we give this, 132 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: they're going. 133 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: To want that. 134 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: And these people are like, I don't care about your 135 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: political games. What are you going to do for the people. 136 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's kind of where we've gotten 137 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: away from it in the government is realizing that everything 138 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: that is passed in Lancing has a personal effect on 139 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: someone's life, and they're not concerned with the games. 140 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: They want to make sure they can feed their kids. 141 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 4: They're not I mean, it's just political game after political gamesmanship. 142 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 4: We watch over there and you know, guys, it's it 143 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 4: really is either side of the aisle that you stand on. 144 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 4: You know, there's things that lawmakers are going to deliver 145 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 4: to their communities because if they didn't, they get voted 146 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: right out because their communities are expecting them to do so. 147 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 3: You know, I really think that you. 148 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 4: Saw this past election, you know, a culmination of a 149 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 4: few different things on the Democratic side, a few different 150 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 4: things on the Republican side. 151 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I will never forget to it. 152 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 4: Or John James at Lorenzo School's one any church talking 153 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 4: about you know, Democrats are the party, are the Party 154 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: of inclusion, are the party of diversity, and and you 155 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 4: know fairness. 156 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: He pointed out, it sounded like Minister fair account or something. 157 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 4: John James, right, talking about your governor White, You're I 158 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 4: mean a director white, your attorney general, your secretary of 159 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 4: state white. I really do think that Republicans sort of 160 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 4: leaned in. And you saw it with I Will load 161 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 4: for Trump. You saw all these different communities rarely get 162 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 4: behind Republicans in a way that we haven't seen in 163 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 4: some time. Was that because maybe they leaned in a 164 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 4: little bit to that, you know, diversity representation. 165 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: You know. 166 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 4: On the other side, Democrats certainly leaned into the you know, 167 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 4: we're going to keep the status quo. We're going to 168 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 4: keep things how they are, and everything right now is great, 169 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: nothing is wrong. The inability to sort of address reality. 170 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: Well, and I do think to a certain extent there 171 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: is that feeling that like the Democrats preached something and 172 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: then you have Joe Biden on the ticket, and you 173 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: think this is a lifelong politician who is a wealthy 174 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: white man, you know, who seem to say that's not 175 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: our jam, but it's the person They end up putting 176 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: up and then the representation in Michigan in areas that 177 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: are traditionally minority areas haven't been minority representation. 178 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: And so I do think that. 179 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: There has been kind of like a hey, what's going 180 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: on because Democrats have been in control. 181 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: But that aside, I mean, I think that we do. 182 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: Get caught up in these social issues of is there fairness, 183 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: is there a number of people here? 184 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: Did they check all the boxes here? 185 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: And I think Trump has been an interesting I mean 186 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: Trump is always interesting because you know, he's not one 187 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: to sit down and go I've got to check the 188 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: boxes and I've got to make everything right. He's like, 189 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: I've got to achieve a goal. I think he has 190 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: very much a business mindset of achieving a goal. But 191 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: in achieving that goal, he has put a lot of 192 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: people in place that are very diverse and come from 193 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: diverse backgrounds but also you know, diverse ethnic groups. And 194 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't think he was trying to do that. I 195 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: think it just came together that way. But the message, 196 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I think when you look at what's going 197 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: on in twenty six, because twenty six is going to 198 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: be different, a different kind of race across the country, 199 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: in all of these diff You know, I think we've 200 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: got thirty six scubernatorial races across the country in twenty 201 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: six in Michigan. We will have one in Michigan. Right now, 202 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: there's kind of this battle over is Donald Trump doing 203 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: the best thing for Michigan? And Democrats would say no 204 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: and Republicans would say yes. And then the automakers came 205 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: out yesterday and met with him and they said, well, 206 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: we actually kind of like what Donald Trump is doing 207 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: and we see a future here. But I think people 208 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: are very nervous about what does it mean. We just 209 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: saw I think six hundred and sixty people will be 210 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: laid off in Dearborn because they're going to get rid 211 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: of a factory there. What do you see from Southeast 212 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: Michigan those folks saying what are their main concerns? Do 213 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: they They've a lot of them voted for Trump that 214 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: weren't expected to do. They like what he's doing. What 215 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: do you think they want to see for the state. 216 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting, you know, the UAW came out actually 217 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 4: in support of tariff, saying we need to blame corporations 218 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 4: if you know economic calamity ensues. 219 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 3: You know, I hear that from a lot of workers, 220 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: construction workers. 221 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 4: My neighbor Tommy, who I play basketball with, he is 222 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 4: a he works for Wallbridge, actually John Raccolta's company, and 223 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 4: you know, he's sort of that style of economic populism 224 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 4: where you're hearing people are are, you know, really against 225 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 4: subsidizing tax incentive. You know, you talk about the SORE 226 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 4: program as an economic tool to bring large scale manufacturing 227 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 4: projects here. 228 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: Like what's happening in Marshall Goshen. You know a lot of. 229 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 4: People are wanting to see Michigan turn a page. Right 230 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 4: Southeast Michigan has been reliant on the auto industry for 231 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 4: the last you know, almost a century. 232 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 3: Now, where are we going to go next? 233 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 4: A lot of people are looking at ann Arbor as 234 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 4: a potential to be sort of the Silicon Valley of 235 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 4: the Midwest. The tech incubators that are over there. You 236 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 4: got all the VC and startup money that's going on, 237 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 4: and they're looking at connecting the region. Really, you saw 238 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:33,239 Speaker 4: in Lansing communities that were opting out of smart transit 239 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 4: millages are no longer able to do so. 240 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: Government resigned that law a few months back. 241 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 4: That was a big priority for Wayne County Executive Warren 242 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 4: Evans to try to convince the other communities that felt 243 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 4: like in the past maybe they didn't need smart transit 244 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 4: buses coming through now realizing, hey, you know. 245 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 3: If we want to stay competitive, we need. 246 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 4: To put our young residents in ann Arbor in downtown 247 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 4: Detroit where the diversification of the economy is happening. 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Right after this. 274 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: I had somebody yesterday say to me, you know, I 275 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: don't understand why we would put this semiconductor plant in 276 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: a county that doesn't want the semiconductor plant. Why aren't 277 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: we putting it in Detroit? And why aren't we putting 278 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: it in in Flint? Why don't why don't we open 279 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: up one of those old factories. And I was like, Okay, 280 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: from the perspective of someone who had a factory, let 281 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: me explain to you if I'm coming. 282 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: Into the state of Michigan. 283 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: First of all, the state of Michigan actually has laws 284 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: that say once you buy a piece of property, it's 285 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: not like you're you start new. You are responsible for 286 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: everything that happened in the past. 287 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: There. 288 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: That's an immediate deterrent if I'm a factory owner, because 289 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: that's a massive amount of cost every year that I 290 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: have to pay for the sins of the past. You know, 291 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: the state's not going to help. I'm taking this on 292 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: my owner. I own the sins of the past. So 293 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: there's not going to be a whole lot of motivation 294 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: for a company to come in and take that on 295 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: because the environmental cost is extreme. So you think about 296 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: these regulations how they affect our communities that really do 297 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: need those businesses, but they're they're moving people out, and 298 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: then you think, well, I could also build up a 299 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: whole new community. Everything builds around my factory. You know, 300 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: I bring in a factory with high paying jobs, and 301 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about high paying hourly jobs. But then you 302 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: know it's a big deal when you have different levels 303 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: of income as well, because you've got your sales force, 304 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: then you've got your managers there, and then you've got 305 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: your presidents, and you've got your managers of the factories, 306 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: and everybody has a different level that they're bringing to 307 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: the community, and then your restaurants build up, and your 308 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: schools build up, and all those things build up around it. 309 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: So you have to kind of look at the state 310 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: of Okay. If we want to build up our communities 311 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: that used to be thriving in art anymore, is there 312 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: a way to cut some of that regulation so we're 313 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: not punishing people for going into those communities. But then 314 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: how do we convince communities who have historically been farming communities, 315 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: but maybe they are struggling and they do need some 316 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: different types of industry in there to diversify their industry. 317 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: How do we convince them that change is not a 318 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: horrible thing. And I think that's something that we've been lacking. 319 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: And maybe that's something that even from the legislature, from 320 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: from the standpoint of you talked about all of the 321 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: back and forth between Republicans and Democrats. Well, if it's 322 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: something that your side is inherently against, maybe you can't 323 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: go to your community, or you can't see how you 324 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: go to your community and talk through this is actually 325 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: a good thing. And I do think that the subsidies 326 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: have been part of a problem. That problem and maybe 327 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: this is getting blown up now with Doge because you 328 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: see the government at the federal level and then the 329 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: news every night talking about like we don't and we 330 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: the taxpayers don't want to pay for all this this 331 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: stuff and it has soor hasn't been successful because it 332 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: hasn't built the jobs. So I can see how Michigan 333 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: can be a powerhouse. But there has to be some 334 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: coming together. 335 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, there does. I think there's plenty of that going 336 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 4: on right now. Obviously, you know, our mayor of Detroit 337 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 4: is running for governor as an independent. 338 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 3: His State of the City address it was sort of 339 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: a victory lap. 340 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 4: On Tuesday night, sort of a ten year highlight reel 341 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 4: of what he has accomplished over. 342 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: His tenure tutor. It's really interesting. 343 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 4: I talked to Trump voters on the ground that tell 344 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 4: me that they would vote for Doug in. 345 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: I say, you know, Eric Nesbitt, John James. 346 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 4: They say, no, we want John James to stay in Congress. 347 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 4: I do think he would have success in a in 348 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 4: a Republican governor royal primary. But yeah, it's it's very 349 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 4: interesting when you talk about the Democratic candidates who don't 350 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 4: have uh sort of the ten year decade run up 351 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 4: of I save Detroit. Is what the pitch is going 352 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 4: to be, not saying he did, but saying what he 353 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 4: is going to say about his campaign and himself. We 354 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 4: heard it last night, you know, and it's it's a 355 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 4: it's a compelling pitch. It is one that no other 356 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 4: candidate running for governor is. 357 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: Going to be able to make. 358 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 4: You're going to see Democrats like Alibus Farhak come out 359 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 4: and say, you know, I'm open to voting for Dugan, 360 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 4: certainly Karen Whitsett, who she's had a relationship with with 361 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 4: Doug in over the years. But I'm curious to know, 362 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 4: you know, what what Republicans are are kind of thinking, 363 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 4: because when I asked people like Bill Shooty, g Shooty, 364 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 4: he's my fellow Midland theer, you know, he tells me, 365 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 4: no way, Sam, no way in How our Republicans going 366 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 4: to support a guy that was just stumping for Kamala 367 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 4: Harris and Joe Biden the year previously. 368 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: Well, I think there, I mean, I think there's a 369 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: lot of truth to that. I think there's a lot 370 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: of people that go, well, wait a minute, you don't 371 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: get to just leave your party because you think you 372 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: can't beat Jocelyn Benson if you think you can't beat 373 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: Jocelyn Benson, then how do you bail on your own party? 374 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: And I get the whole like, well, I'm rebranding because 375 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: I don't like the progressive side of the party, and 376 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: I do think that they are kind of a metaphor 377 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: for the party, the Democrat Party in general. Right now, 378 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: if you look at the race for the Michigan governor's race, 379 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: why would Duggan step out from his party unless he 380 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: thinks that he can't beat Jocelyn And if he can't 381 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: beat Jocelyn Benson, what is his argument going to be. 382 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: Is it going to be that she is part of 383 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: the progressive wing that people feel is out of touch 384 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: with the average Democrat voter. 385 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: So I think you're making a good point. 386 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: He's going to come out and he's going to say, 387 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, we've done all of this in Detroit and 388 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: hope that that registers with the rest of the state. 389 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: I think that what you're hearing from Republicans is probably true. 390 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: The rest of the areas that are Republican are not Detroit, 391 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: you know, And so are those people going to say, 392 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: well that you know that was important enough to me 393 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: to say I'm going to vote against what I know 394 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: his value set is because he has this record in Detroit, 395 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: and if you if you are not fully connected to Detroit, 396 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: if you're connected to grun Rapids, if you're connected. 397 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 2: To Traverse City, if you're. 398 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: In the up, then that may not be enough to 399 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: say I'm going to go with someone who I know 400 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 1: historically was a Democrat who did stump for Kamala Harris, 401 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: who has has not shown the values that I think 402 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: are Republican. And so I think it's kind of interesting 403 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: to watch what's happening in Michigan. This is this is 404 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: the ultimate split of the Democrat Party. So when does 405 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: it come back together? 406 00:20:58,760 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 2: And what? 407 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: How does he defined Jocelyn Benson. How do you see 408 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: him defining Jocelyn Benson in this race and saying he's 409 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: better than her for some reason? 410 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: Authenticity? 411 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 4: Jocelyn Benson struggles connecting with with a you know, mass 412 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 4: such a young black audience. I don't think her campaign 413 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 4: would would argue with that, particularly when we see the 414 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 4: response to Garland Gilchrist's campaign. We have not seen Jocelyn Benson. 415 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 4: I mean I haven't personally, So if you guys have 416 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 4: done it, I apologize Jocelyn Benson campaign. I haven't seen 417 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 4: her stand in front of supporters yet. We've seen Chris 418 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 4: Swanson do blowout people. I saw Garland Gilcrest in New 419 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 4: Center here in Detroit do a big event, you know, 420 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 4: with with a few hundred people. We have not seen 421 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 4: Jocelyn Benson in front of standing with at an event 422 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 4: with supporters. 423 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 3: When she announced. 424 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 4: You remember, I was actually the first one to report 425 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 4: that her website went live and that she was in 426 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 4: fact running for governor as expected. 427 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: And the very next day, you know, hours after my 428 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 3: report is published. 429 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 4: She goes to the Richard Austin Building to officially file 430 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 4: her candidate committee for governor and takes questions from reporters there. 431 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 4: We haven't heard much though, in fairness to all of 432 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 4: these campaigns, Tutor, it is still a year and you know, 433 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 4: several months out, but that really hasn't stopped these campaigns. 434 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 4: I mean, we're seeing Instagram stories from Jocelyn Benson, from 435 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 4: Mike Duggan, from Chris Swanson reacting on the various things 436 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 4: happening in Lansing and DC every day, and so they 437 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 4: these campaigns are actively campaigning, how much money they're spending, you. 438 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 3: Know, too early, I think to say yet, but. 439 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 4: It's going to be interesting to see once we get 440 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 4: closer to twenty twenty six. 441 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm just hit the endless campaigning is getting annoying to people. 442 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 4: It is. I mean, it's not annoying to us reporters 443 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 4: who get to just you know, constantly be in the 444 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 4: campaign season, but it is. I think, you know, the 445 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 4: idea of getting out in front this early is just 446 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 4: name recognition. You know Jocelyn They joke that she has 447 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 4: eighty three campaign offices in each county. Mike Duggan obviously 448 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 4: has all of Fox two, Channel four, the Metro Detroit. 449 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 4: You know, he's being blasted to five and a half 450 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 4: million people every day. And then Chris Swanson has his 451 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 4: you know, when you drive to Lansing, at least from 452 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 4: where I am, you see. 453 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 3: His billboards for his ghost operation on. 454 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 4: It's like a sex trafficking operation that he is deployed. 455 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 4: I suppose I should know more about Chris Swanson's ghost program, 456 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 4: but he's up there in Jesse County, so down here 457 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 4: in Detroit, man, he's got some work to do in 458 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 4: terms of catching up, and he's not shy about it. 459 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 3: I've talked to him at length already I'm still looking. 460 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 4: To get get my twenty minutes, you know, in person 461 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 4: or on the phone with Jocelyn Garland gave all the 462 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 4: reporters ten minutes over the phone a couple. 463 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 3: Of days before they launch. Yeah, so I mean they're 464 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 3: still connecting with us. 465 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 4: That was the big thing with with Kamala Harris's campaign 466 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 4: that the campaign themselves even said guys, you have to 467 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 4: talk to local media, and they just refuse to do so, 468 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 4: I think. 469 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: So what do you think about the podcast circuit that 470 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: Trump went on. Do you think that that helped him? 471 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: Because I do think there's a difference. I mean, you 472 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: talked about me taking questions, but you get you get 473 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: a minute to answer and then they clip what they 474 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: want and they put it out there. Yes, was different 475 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: because he went on these long form podcasts. And I 476 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: think he's also unique in that he can say things. 477 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 2: And still live through them. 478 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 3: But yes he can. He can because they clipped him, 479 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 3: they asked him. 480 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 4: I think it was Alex Friedman's podcast where he sort 481 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 4: of admitted that the election wasn't stolen, but then sort 482 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 4: of backtracked and said that it was. 483 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 3: And so, you know, the long form. 484 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 4: Podcasts have the opportunity to get stuff that you wouldn't get. 485 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 4: We just saw Lebron James do do an hour long 486 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 4: with Pat McAfee yesterday on ESPN. 487 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 3: You know, Lebron doesn't go on stephen A. 488 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 4: Smith, He's not going on Sports Center after every you know, 489 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 4: so to get the president doing these it was almost 490 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 4: a little bit surreal at first, especially for the younger audiences, 491 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 4: Like we're watching podcasts every day. We're watching all these guys, 492 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 4: you know, the THEO Bonds or whatever. 493 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 3: You know he would do. 494 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 4: He did Aiden Ross, you know, like he stopped shy 495 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 4: of Kay Sinnett and I Show Speed, you know, but 496 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 4: the streamers. 497 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 3: And you know, it's like a whole new world we're 498 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 3: going in. 499 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 4: I think it wasn't so much of that he went 500 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 4: on the podcast. It was his campaign's openness and just 501 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 4: really willingness to go to space. Is that they didn't 502 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 4: have control of and Karma's Democrats in mass right now, 503 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 4: if they do not. 504 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 3: Have control of the media space, they don't go on it. 505 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: And I think that is it is a very scary 506 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: thing to go into a place where you have no 507 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: control because anything can happen and then you know, if 508 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: you've run for office, you know that you are just 509 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: you're destroyed, right. 510 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: The one thing you have is your reputation. 511 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: And I think that anybody would tell you that your 512 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: reputation is very important to you, no matter who you are, 513 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: no matter what age you are. If your reputation is ruined, 514 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: it's very demoralizing. But he was willing to go out 515 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: there and say what else can. 516 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 2: They do to me? 517 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 3: You know? 518 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he's kind of like that guy where it's like, 519 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: I've been ruined in every sense of the word. I'm 520 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: going to show them who I really am. Now I'm 521 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: at the point where I can only show them who 522 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: I am. And I think people who get to know him, 523 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people, not everybody, but a lot of 524 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: people went actually, actually, I kind of like it. He 525 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: seems sort of like a normal person. And if you 526 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: get that opportunity to sit down with people and say, well, 527 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: I want to hear what you have to say. I 528 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: want to hear what is what the worst thing is 529 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: that's happening to you right now? How can I help you? 530 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: You learn whether or not the person actually wants to 531 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: help you, or whether or not the person just wants 532 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: that position, and I do think there is a lot 533 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: of that in politics. 534 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: I want the title. I want the title. But you 535 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: talk about controlled. 536 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: Environments, and you said you haven't been able to talk 537 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: to Jocelyn Benson. She has done events, but they've been closed. 538 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: So what does that say. 539 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 3: I mean, it's a book out of the you know, 540 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: Whitmer playbook. After the kidnapping, the I and Tapman, however 541 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 3: you want to spin. 542 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 4: The story, her staff or office staff became much more 543 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 4: sensitive to giving out where events would be, you know, 544 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 4: you know, in fairness to her security and safety. But 545 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 4: it would creep on and on and on, and you know, 546 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 4: sometimes we'd be like, oh, you're inviting us to this 547 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 4: thing six in the morning, and the thing is at 548 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 4: ten thirty or eleven am. It's like, you know, our 549 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 4: the ABC news staff is over there in seven and 550 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 4: you drive away on the Lansing. 551 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 3: So that kind of thing would happen, you know. 552 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 4: I just think that, you know, I think Democrats can 553 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 4: start talking more people honestly and more openly. 554 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: But I don't know that it's just I think that 555 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: it seems like it's just Democrats because the commander in 556 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: chief was very open you know, we just came off 557 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: of that Trump campaign, and he was very open versus 558 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: I want to tell you about my newest partners at 559 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 1: gen Usel, Ladies and gentlemen. 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Now, 593 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: I think a lot of these are also unfair because 594 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: they've done it while Republicans are in session, and then 595 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: they put the seed up in all he wouldn't come. 596 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: Well, he's in Washington, you. 597 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: Know, he does have a job. So some of them 598 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: are unfair. But I do think that that people are 599 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: uncomfortable in a situation where they don't know if they're 600 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: going to be attacked and humiliated and put on the spot. 601 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: And so I think that as politics have gone back 602 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: to more of that. You know, there was a time 603 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: when it was you. 604 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: You were only what. 605 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: The media said about you, you know, and there wasn't 606 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: somebody recording you around every corner. So these last ten 607 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: years have really changed because there's someone tracking you, and 608 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: there's someone trying to catch you on camera, and anything 609 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: that you say that can be interpreted the wrong way. 610 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: It can be deadly to you, but not just to 611 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: your campaign. It's like forever, you know. I mean, I 612 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: order on the Starbucks app and I'm like, my name 613 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: is on there, what are they going to think of me? 614 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: I went into Kedova yesterday and the guy was like, oh, 615 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: I like your outfit. 616 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: What do you do for a living? 617 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I'm a podcaster and he said, 618 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: is it what's the topic? Is there like a topic 619 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: and I said it's politics and he was like, oh, 620 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: are you affiliated with like a party or. 621 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: Or just politics in general? 622 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: And I said I'm a Republican and he went oh. 623 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 2: But he goes, you know what, I'll listen to it anyway, 624 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: so write it down. 625 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, all right, hopefully he's listening out 626 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 4: to it over but I like Chipotle a little bit. 627 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: But I know, well, we don't want to insult him. 628 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: He's already struggling to come over to the Republican podcast side, 629 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: but I did. I said, I'll come back and see 630 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: what you think of it. So I don't know, we'll see. 631 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 3: We're listening to a lot of conservative podcasts. I've been 632 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 3: listening to the people that they tell me how to 633 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 3: listen to. 634 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 4: You know, I grew up liking Kanye's music, so I 635 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 4: you know, I still kind of am the Russell Westbrook 636 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 4: meme eating the chips listening to his new music as 637 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 4: they tell me not to. 638 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 3: It's really important. I think Gavin Newsome and Steven A. 639 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 3: Smith and all these. 640 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 4: Left of center guys bringing on the conservatives. It's Magan 641 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 4: for interesting conversations. You know, I really think that we're 642 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 4: more we're all humans, like we're all Americans, we're all Michiganders. 643 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: We're not as far apart as people. 644 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 4: And a lot of times it's like you're you know, 645 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 4: really close together, actually on on on issues that the 646 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 4: majority of people are against. And now we think about 647 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 4: we go back to the conversations about economic developed and 648 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 4: subsidy and tax capture. Mike Duggan calls it a discount, 649 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 4: which is a really good right way to frame it 650 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 4: so people. 651 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 3: Will support, you know, allow large. 652 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 4: Companies and billionaires get discounts on the tax revenues generated 653 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 4: off large projects. 654 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 3: And the buildings that they build. Tuoter. 655 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 4: You know, I do wonder though, as Democrats were arguing 656 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 4: with me over tipped wage. You know, you want to 657 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 4: take the side of the worker. You want to take 658 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 4: the side of you know, unpaid leave. What happens, you know, 659 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 4: if all these small businesses are no longer to say, well, 660 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 4: if if the business can't afford to pay somebody a 661 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 4: living wage, then that doesn't sound. 662 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 3: Like a business to me. 663 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 4: And I asked them, I asked them, well, do you 664 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 4: just want Amazon and Jeff Bezos land and target, you know, 665 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 4: like we because those are the going to be the 666 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 4: many people that are able to provide the you know, 667 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 4: forty hours sickly even and these these benefits, and so 668 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 4: a lot of the issues really just horseshoe right back into. 669 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 3: The other you saw. 670 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 4: Dylan Wegelaw and Steve Kara introduced legislation that I'm not 671 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 4: sure what the status legislation is, but to ban lawmakers 672 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 4: signing no discussion agreements when crafting legislation. 673 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 3: Likes sore, Yeah. 674 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, because then you don't as a taxpayer, you don't 675 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: if they have a non disclosure, then you don't know 676 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: what your money is going to. But let me just 677 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: I know I'm getting I'm a little over time, but 678 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: I want to get to this because I want to 679 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: ask your opinion. You have Doug In saying that these 680 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: big corporations are getting discounts. That's a nice way of 681 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: saying that they aren't paying taxes, which seems odd because 682 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: all I keep hearing from Democrats is. 683 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 2: We're going to raise the corporate tax rate because you 684 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 2: have to pay your fair share. 685 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: But then the corporations that have lots of money are 686 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: getting a tax break. Mom and pop who owned the 687 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: restaurant are getting screwed. 688 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 3: I mean, they everything. 689 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 4: Would say, don't group me in with those Democrats. I'm 690 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 4: not a Democrat anymore. You got to ask you them. 691 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: Well, but okay, regardless, it doesn't matter party, because I agree. 692 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: I think that these corporations have gotten tax breaks for 693 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: a long time, but it hasn't worked in the state. 694 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: You know, if you look at it, our main street 695 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: is dead, and then you've got these big corporate entities 696 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: that are kind of like sucking off the teat of Michigan. 697 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: And there's not going to be any more people to 698 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: suck off of if every little small business can't survive anymore. 699 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: And when we talk about you know, it's funny because 700 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: the paid leave. I was like, what are the small 701 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: businesses who aren't paying paid leave? And I was out 702 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: at at lunch one day and this woman said, I 703 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: work for Consumers, And another lady looked at her and 704 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: she said, oh, you must love it there. You get 705 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: such great benefits. And she said, I'm only in my 706 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: fourth year, so I don't get benefits. And I said, 707 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: what do you mean And she said, they don't hire 708 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: you on as a full time employee until you're fifth year, 709 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: so I'm a contractor. And I was like, oh my gosh, 710 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: you're the person. You're the person who doesn't get paid leave, 711 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: You're the person that doesn't get insurance. This is no 712 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: health and no benefits at all. 713 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 2: And I was like, the people who are are paying politicians. 714 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: Here, You've got this big corporate entity who is not 715 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: actually hiring people on And it was like this moment 716 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: where I thought, that is so upsetting to hear that 717 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: this big corporation is skirting its responsibility of giving its 718 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: employees the. 719 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 2: Benefits that they deserve. 720 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: And you've got mom and pop restaurant next door who's saying, Hey, 721 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: I have girls that work here on a Friday and 722 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: Saturday night and they make eighty dollars an hour and 723 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: they don't have to work the rest of the week 724 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: and their husband's work and they can stay home with 725 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: the kids during the week. And now they won't make 726 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: eighty dollars an hour because they're going to be at 727 00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: this capped wage. Consequences. But when unintended consequences happen, then 728 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: we have to come together. And we're so divided. 729 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think that. 730 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 4: In Michigan we tend to come together more than we 731 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 4: don't know. I mean, I know am grateful for the 732 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 4: folks that make that happen. It's interesting out here where 733 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 4: we you know, go left, we go right. But at 734 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 4: the end of the day, we're all just people in 735 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 4: the world living. 736 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: So that's why I wanted to have you on because 737 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, he seems really genuine. 738 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 2: Like I think when you put stuff out it's you. 739 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 3: I try to be honest. 740 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 4: And that's the biggest thing is, you know, the Detroit 741 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 4: one million we're talking about a generation of Michigan is 742 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 4: growing up in a state without a city with a 743 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 4: million people. 744 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 3: If you look at it map of the United. 745 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 4: States, you'll see the cities or the states rather that 746 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 4: have cities of a million people, the states that don't 747 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 4: tell the story. Detroit is the only city in America, Tutor, 748 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,439 Speaker 4: to ever lose a million people. Doing it all from 749 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 4: first person perspective, talking to you, do you know, competing 750 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 4: with the free press and the news and gong were 751 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 4: and mers for you know, Lancing News, City Council, Detroit scoops. 752 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 3: Doing it in a way Tutor, that's just here. I am. 753 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 4: I'm Sam Robinson, the first person you're gonna, you know, 754 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 4: hear my voice, hear the things that I think about 755 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 4: when you know people are talking. And I really think 756 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 4: that's the future is being really honest about where you 757 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 4: are doing news. 758 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 3: You know, be honest about your own biases. 759 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 2: What is Detroit one million? Tell people what exactly it is. 760 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 4: It's my own website dot com Detroit one million. You know, 761 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,240 Speaker 4: it's a journalism project that I started in December really 762 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 4: only because the free per of the news didn't want 763 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 4: my Mary Sheffield went to a Trump party story and 764 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 4: I knew that was gonna be a big thing in Detroit. 765 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 4: Mary Sheffield is our city council president. She is running 766 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 4: for mayor. Some would say she is the lead. She's 767 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 4: the front runner to become the mayor this fall in 768 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 4: Detroit to replace Dougan. 769 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,720 Speaker 3: She went to a holiday party that was Trump themed. 770 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 4: Person that hosts the party every year as an annual 771 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,760 Speaker 4: holiday party put on by an event planner here in Measure, Detroit. 772 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 3: She decided to go to the party. 773 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 4: I didn't have anywhere else to publish it, so I 774 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,439 Speaker 4: decided to go on substack Onto substack man. A lot 775 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 4: of us laid off and sort of disaffected journalists are 776 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 4: landing on substack and realizing that they're taking care of us. 777 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 3: It's been really fun. I appreciate everyone that has signed 778 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 3: up so far. Truly, Guys like. 779 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 4: You're literally allowing for news and information to be distributed 780 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 4: to you in a way that if you were not 781 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 4: supporting it, it wouldn't exist. And so it's been a 782 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 4: surreal feeling so far. And that's what I tell people. 783 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 4: I say, it's kind of like a Detroit version of 784 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 4: Mercer Going, or kind of an insidery thinking about young people. 785 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 4: I'm always centering young people in the stories and thinking 786 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 4: about the future. So we're going to talk about AI 787 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 4: and crypto and all of the things that people that 788 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 4: are under thirty or even under forty, born after nineteen 789 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 4: seventy five even might be able to appreciate, because you know, 790 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 4: you know, it's sort of this gerontocracy that we live in. 791 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 4: The news is paid for by that garontoxy. 792 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 3: The people that are senior. 793 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: Even old people like me, could find something there. 794 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 3: They all tutor You can find plenty at Detroit one million. 795 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 3: It really is. 796 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 4: I try to take an interesting look at these stories 797 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,720 Speaker 4: that are the biggest stories in Michigan, polity. 798 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: So how do people They sign up at the website 799 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: and then that they can support you financially too, right, 800 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: they can. 801 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,479 Speaker 3: It's eight dollars a month. 802 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 4: There's a founding member version where you can get but 803 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 4: eight dollars a month is all you need to get 804 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 4: behind the paywall. Some of the stories that I do 805 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 4: a weekly free read is a roundup of everything in 806 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 4: the world, not just politics, but pop culture and sports 807 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 4: as well, and taking a look at what's going on 808 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 4: across Michigan, you know, all over the state, not just Detroit, 809 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 4: but really reframing Detroit as like the cultural center of 810 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 4: the state. 811 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 3: Which you know, I think it is. 812 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I went. 813 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: I was there for my daughter's basketball or volleyball tournament 814 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, and I was on the people 815 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: mover and I was like, I mean, there is so 816 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: much cool stuff that people don't know about. So I 817 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: think that's what's critical and that's really what draws me 818 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: to you. So for anybody out there, I think that 819 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 1: you would really enjoy it. Detroit one million if you 820 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: go there, because this is someone Sam is someone who 821 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: is doing this because it's genuine. He loves the city, 822 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 1: he loves getting the message out. He loves the state 823 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: and that's why I want to have you on. So 824 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: I want to say thank you for coming on. 825 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. All strikes too. 826 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 4: It's a nonpartisan you know, we're not going to put 827 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,359 Speaker 4: on my own political spin and bias on it. 828 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 3: Which we all know that all reporters have. 829 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 4: We can stop pretending that reporters don't have personal, you know, 830 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 4: feelings on issues. They do, but that's not in there. Tudor, 831 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 4: thank you so much for having me on your show. 832 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 2: Here absolutely okay. 833 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: Remember it's Sam Robinson, It's Detroit one million. Thank you 834 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: so much, Thanks Judor, and thank you all for listening 835 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 836 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 2: For this episode and others. 837 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: Go to Tutor dixonpodcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 838 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time. 839 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: Have a blessed day.