WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 070922 Police Take Mass Shooters Into Custody Alive (Part 2) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:06.080 And now move my mic back. You're like that. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.960 You can strike with waters from headquarters behind. 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.200 Him to be the border if you're just to a 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:15.120 Minnesivic cipher. 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.320 I'm your host, Ramsys joh I'm your co host q Ward. 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.360 This indeed, Uh, we got a lot more to talk about. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.799 We're not done with Jalen Walker, but we do want 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:31.480 to talk about the shooting over last weekend, Fourth of 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:36.559 July weekend and uh kind of delve a little bit 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:45.400 more into how things are handled differently when I mean 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.160 when it's black and white, you may as well say that. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.960 So stick around. We're gonna peel back some layers there. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.240 I'm excited to talk about that. Also our way Black History. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:01:00.240 In fact, we're gonna delve into the history of the 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.920 Fourth of July itself and talk a little bit about 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:07.080 when it was a black holiday. How about that, Maggie 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.560 b Knowing our show producer unearthed a little nugget for 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.560 us here, So stick around for that way Black History factor. First, 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:21.440 let's discuss Baba becoming a better ally? Shall we shall? 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.839 This one is sponsored by Hip Hop Weekly Magazine. Shout 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:26.800 out to them, They really look out for us here 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.760 on this show, which By the way, a lot of 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.520 great things happening for the show. 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And being an advocate basically is kind 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.639 of going above and beyond just kind of supporting, you know, 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.880 with your words, but actually supporting with your actions, not 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:17.160 just being empathetic, right, but actually creating the change. So, 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.840 the way she explains is that you want to perform 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.200 things or do things rather that can be performed in 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:27.200 action across a wide spectrum and variety of channels. She 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:32.680 asks us, can you provide mentoring, small business, consulting, graphic design, 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:37.120 where client service training, legal or advocacy assistance. Can you 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.200 share some advice or time with someone with a group, 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.880 with an organization that you normally wouldn't in efforts to 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:49.040 collectively challenge the status quo and dismantle oppressive and harmful 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:53.480 institutions and systems, some of which we identified earlier in 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.000 the program. As she puts it, kind of like what 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.480 you said to Please don't just empathize with us. Please 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.040 don't just feel bad for us. Please help us create 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:09.359 lasting and meaningful change. So this week, that is how 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:16.440 you can become a better ally. All right, back to 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:23.120 the lecture at hand. All right, So let's talk a 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:30.840 bit about the shooting over the weekend in Chicago at 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:35.120 the parade suburb of Chicago. Suburb of Chicago. It wasn't 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.000 like hyrax Chicago, right, You. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.200 Get enough of that right In our Black on Black 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:41.279 Crime section. 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.720 Please stop saying not UQ. For those of you out 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:47.760 there in the world, if you hear black on black 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.280 crime as a term being said in a conversation, please 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.080 yourself stop using it, and please tell other people to 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.840 stop using It's not a real thing, and it is 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:58.520 literally a false narrative that we have been trying our 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:04.120 best to overcome, among others that we've actually overcame or 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.480 are still overcoming, but done lots of work, but that 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.000 one is just kind of like a zombie and it 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.000 won't die. Black on black crime is not a thing. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.440 Crime happens with people that are close to you, and 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.400 people that are close to you often look like you. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.640 Meaning of white people kill white people, which is often 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.120 the case. There is no term called white on white 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.120 crime that we can point to and say, see, this 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.880 is what white people always do. But that black on 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:34.479 black crime thing allows these oppressive systems to continue to 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.080 put the blame on us rather than to really identify 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.240 and deal with the source of a lot of these 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:48.440 systemic issues again the economic equality, inequality, etc. Sorry sidebar, 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.400 but I felt like it was a teachable moment. Do 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.760 you want to tell the story about what happened in Chicago? 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.840 Should I? 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.279 I'll let you tell it. Tell it because I have 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.520 a lot to say and I don't want to all right, 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.200 get us off track. 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.400 I have a lot of various Yeah, understand, I'm with you, 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:11.600 all right. So here's what we're doing. Long and short 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:18.600 of it is mass shooting. As as you mentioned, it's 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.320 a suburb of Chicago Fourth of July parade. Families are 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:28.159 outside enjoying the parade, go down their main street or 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.440 whatever the name of that street was, but they're you know, 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:38.000 the main artery in their suburb, traffic artery, I should say. 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.680 So the videos, of course, are people filming the parade. 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:42.039 You know. 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.119 You can kind of see what's going on. There's people 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.359 playing the trumpet, marching that sort of stuff, and you 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:51.919 hear shots go off, you know, and it kind of 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:53.520 gives you a glimpse in of what happened in a 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.680 lot of these other mass shootings and how it works 0:05:55.760 --> 0:06:00.400 because in this one you can actually see and here 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.400 the shots going off. Most people are not filming in classrooms, 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.000 people aren't filming in the grocery stores, you know, but 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:08.960 people are filming the parade, so you can kind of 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.120 get a sense of how slow people are to respond 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:14.200 to the shots. 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.320 Takes a second to realize what's. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:20.560 Happening, right, and then it's a slow response when people 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.880 start responding, because some people are trying to help the 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.520 people who have been hit, and then some people are 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.240 not trying to help and they're trying to leave. And 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:32.960 then the people across the street are like, well, what's 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:34.800 going on over there? Is it a fight? Is it? 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.840 You know what I mean? And so they're sitting they're dumbfounded, like, well, 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.960 what are they doing? They're in a good day, specifically 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:46.080 with the fourth of July? Are those fireworks exactly exactly so? 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:48.600 And then there's drums and all kinds. You know, that's 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.200 sort of you know, guns. Your brain will tell you 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.680 whatever fits the narrative, what your eyes are seeing, you 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.560 know what I mean. But anyway, these folks hear these 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.560 shots go off and then of course start running away. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:09.359 Suspect he wore a disguise, he was dressed as a woman, 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:16.560 got on a roof, shot everybody up left. And the 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.320 thing that we need to talk about here is of 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.960 course the fact that he was apprehended, which was also 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.400 on video, stopped by police, a bunch of police behind 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.640 the car. They found it. Well, great clean police. I 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.000 need to say that, Yeah, he was fleeing the police. 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:35.400 He was doing the same the other story that walker. 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:36.160 He was fleeing. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.440 Yep, same thing. Okay. I just wanted to okay, make 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.440 sure we okay cool apples and then apples, right, yes, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:44.320 so that's what? Okay? 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:44.640 Cool? 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:55.200 So yeah, uh, this guy they knew killed people by 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.160 this time, knew it for certainly, you didn't violate any 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:03.239 traffic line, nothing, like that killed people again, Jalen. Perhaps 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.560 he had a gun for whatever reason. It's not illegal, 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.400 but for whatever reason, the police try to engage. He's like, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.680 oh my god, I'm a black man with a gun 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.920 in my car. This is a bad look. Does he 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.080 try to dismantle the gun? Does he you know, does 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.080 it go off by accident? Who knows? He'll never get 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:24.720 to say that story. And he's fleeing because he's terrified 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.920 because maybe if he shot the gun accidentally or whatever, 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.480 Now he's even more afraid. He puts on a ski 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.840 mask to try to conceal his identity, books it into 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.640 the night, trying his best to get away from what 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.640 he believes to be an absolute certainty. These people are 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.400 going to kill me. And initially I was just like 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.800 kind of thinking that they might let me see if 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:47.640 I conduct this. Now I know it for a fact. 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:52.960 I'm out, boom gone dead. Back to the Chicago shooter. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:09:00.000 We don't try to Illinois to keep saying Chicago guys, Illinois, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:04.520 thank you, park Illinois. But we don't say the mass 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.160 shooter's name is because we work in media and we're 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.360 doing our part to not turn these guys into heroes. 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:14.439 So this scumbag. We'll call him scumbag. How about that? 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.200 You know the police get behind him. Of course he's 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.160 trying to get away. They get behind him, he gets 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.640 out of his car. Is the police approach the car, 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.280 take him without incident, without further incident. They know he's armed, 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:31.920 they know he's dangerous, they know he's a killer. And 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.760 he just killed somebody, right, they knew exactly what they 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:36.200 were looking for. 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.320 It's running away because he just killed us. 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.560 That right, And guess what, that guy is alive and breathing. 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.960 He can explain his heinous actions to his family. 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.480 When says Judge, alive and breathing, he doesn't mean because 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.840 he survived something. They didn't beat him up, they didn't 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.560 shoot him, they didn't shoot at him. So I don't 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.520 want you guys to think he also got shot and 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.920 then just yes, survive. No, he's unheased, fine, and have 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.120 a bruise on his body from what I could tell 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.640 from the footage of them kind of apprehending him. 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.600 And we see this all the time with these mass shooters, 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:19.160 and let's be honest, there's an association, and we identified 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:20.319 part of this in the first half of the show. 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:24.400 There's an association with black men and fear when it comes 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.200 to guns or black men in fear period. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.360 And Rams isn't being hyperbolic, by the way when he says, 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.400 we see this all the time with these mass literally 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.480 the basis of the show. There have been more mass 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:40.200 shootings this year than days by almost double. One of 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:45.520 those mass shooters was killed. He was surprisingly not white. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.960 I'll just let that sit with you because I said 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:51.840 it on purpose, because it means something. 0:10:53.720 --> 0:11:03.000 Now, not only is there this overwhelming fear associated with 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:08.760 black people, and you know they were associated with violence 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:13.120 and that sort of stuff unfairly by the way, those 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:22.319 are called prejudices, right, but the way that the police 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:36.680 interact with black bodies is hurtful, infuriating. It is incredibly unsettling. 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:41.960 And when you see the grace given to a Dylan 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:46.600 Roof which I said his name on purpose because we 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.400 reference him a lot. He's a person that shot up 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:54.400 a church and theyre took him to Burger King after 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:55.440 they arrested him. 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.640 And to make sure that he wasn't hungry because you've 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.959 been through a lot today, had a rough day. They said, right, 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.000 you had a rough day. We gotta make sure that 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.080 you eat some burger king, Let's get you something to eat. Man, 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.120 Come on right, you hungry kid. I know you got 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:13.760 stressed out. Heard your stomach growling. Maybe maybe you're not comfortable. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:18.080 You want to number one? No, no, onion. Can you 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:19.040 cut that in half for him? 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:19.320 Please? 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.040 We want to make sure he gets it in his 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.720 way because he's having a rough day to day. 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.360 It's not funny because he went into church and ended 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.920 nine lives, black lives, people praying, people. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:36.040 Are welcoming into I'm hoping that sounds ridiculous and not funny, 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:37.280 but that actually happens. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:41.720 Ridiculous, that happened, true, that happened to him. And then 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:47.600 of course with this young man in Highland Park again 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.839 taken in without incident. In other words, no harm when 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.480 the body is not black, but there is often harm 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.000 when it comes to police interacting with black bodies. And 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:04.040 so there's some people that will say, look and you know, 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:11.160 the police should have done treated you know, everyone the 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.160 same way they treat black people. There's some people that 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.160 say police should treat everyone the same way they treat 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.960 white people. But in either case, the police should treat 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.440 everyone the same. Right, I think every the police should 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:23.959 treat everyone in the way they treat white folks. That's 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:25.880 what I think, you know what I mean, because I 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.320 believe that the police often overstep and we see some 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.160 of our white brothers and sisters become victims of police brutality. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.480 Remember we did that story about the handicap man was 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.199 he was deaf and I think it was in a 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.840 wheelchair too, and he couldn't hear and couldn't move or something. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.000 It was the story maybe a year and a half ago, 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:46.840 something like that. But you know, he was not a 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.000 black man, but the police just beat him up and 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.160 put him in a jail for how many months before 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:54.679 he even got a chance to talk to the judge. 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.160 This doesn't happen to just us, but it happens to 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:02.560 us more frequently, and we cant to systemic issues and 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:03.440 so we don't want to. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.480 It's also a bit more the outcomes are a bit 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:13.719 more extreme. Yeah, that literally multiple times more fatal when 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:18.360 the victims in the bodies are black, right like with 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.040 regard to how they view us, how they see us 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:28.480 in the way that we're criminal by Melanin Melon. Guilty 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:35.760 by Jalen Walker, shot at ninety times sixty bullet wounds, 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:41.760 handcuffed after the fact. I just really need you guys 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:46.120 to digest that. Yeah, black bodies, he's very dead, very 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.680 there's no chance he's alive. There's no chance he's still 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.560 a threat. We still need to handcuff this guy so 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.000 that it's clear that he's a criminal and a bad person. 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:58.880 And like, it has to take something beyond fearing for 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:03.640 your life to place handcuffs on a course that you 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:04.600 just murdered. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:12.320 Well, this is our reality, and you know there's something 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.920 else I want to share it with you. Obviously, this 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.720 is you know, the show in general, it is a 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.040 tough show to listen to day in and day out, 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.560 but we do our best to inform and you know, 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:27.800 maintain as positive an outlook as we can. But I 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:35.760 want to ask you to think about something for me. Please, 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.480 as a listener of the show, I want you to 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:44.000 think about this. Every single other black person that wakes 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:51.240 up in this country knows what we've just talked about. 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:55.960 Mass shooters that actually killed me. We know that it happened, 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.160 eye witnesses everything, They know exactly what they're looking for it. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.840 I got the a be out with the photo. This 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.640 is who this is our person of interest blah blah 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:08.960 blah versus a traffic stop. Every black person knows what 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:13.640 we just talked about. You know, how do black people 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:20.400 feel when this is our reality? How do we feel? 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:24.560 What do we think our lives are worth to this country? 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.680 To the police. You know, there's why don't black people 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.080 ever talk to the police? You know, it's a real thing. 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:32.880 Why don't black people trust me? Why? You know, the 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:36.120 police are trying to engage with this impoverished community, but 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.000 you know they're not getting a lot of help. Only 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.920 a couple of pastors, but the well, the police have 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:47.000 a lot of rebuilding to do because our reality suggests 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:54.040 to us that outcomes are often worse for you if 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:58.880 you are melanated. And when the news blows this stuff up. 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:04.040 You said it happens daily, the mass shootings, right, I mean, 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.200 I don't know more than daily. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.720 Equate it right, There's been three hundred mass shootings in 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.879 the country this year, a dozen over the holiday weekend. 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.760 We're at day of one and eighty or something like that. 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.000 We're about halfway through the year. There have been more 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:29.760 mass shootings than days, so more than every day on average. 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:30.680 We have a gun problem. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:30.920 Man. 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:36.480 We need to redo that episode. But again, what I 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.199 want you to ponder is how does it feel to 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.840 wake up in America and be black? How does it 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:49.560 feel to be black and have the police interact with you. 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.840 We're not talking about political stuff right now. We're talking 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.560 about ground level stuff, humans that have to go on 0:17:56.640 --> 0:18:01.520 about their lives and interact with you know, the world. 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:06.240 We already know that the criminal justice system targets, actively 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:12.399 targets black men. That doesn't mean if they if they 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.919 catch you slipping, you know, no, they will invent it. 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.200 We've seen it happen some of our friends who protest 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.480 and some activists. As soon as they get on the streets, 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.680 they are targeted specifically, they know who they are. They 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.119 get them over something and they trump up all the 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.960 charges and then they're in the system. Right, But this 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:34.640 is a thing that happens, you know what I mean. 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.639 The police will grab you, try their best to find 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.840 something wrong. They start with the assumption you're doing something wrong, 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.760 and if they can't find anything, sometimes they actually make 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.639 it up. You know, I'm not saying they make it up, 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.400 but they make it up. Right where if you had 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.679 not been a black man, then obviously that jaywalking is 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:02.600 you know what I mean. Come on. So the crazy 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.800 thing is that now we've done hundreds of these stories, 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.480 literally hundreds of them, and so no one can come 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.480 here and tell me that I'm not wrong, because now 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.240 we have our own system here, we have our own 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:24.520 database here. Right. But it's very telling that we see 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:31.879 week in and week out, the way we are engaged 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:36.560 as black people relative to non black people, we see 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.399 outcomes that are very different. You know, we had our 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:43.320 conversation with doctor Westernberg recently. We recognize that the abortion, 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.400 the overturning of Roe v. Way by the Supreme Court 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:56.040 has at least a leg in racist belief in ideology, 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:02.520 and it disproportionately affects black women because equomen get abortions 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:06.000 at higher rates. And there's reasons for that, you know. 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:12.679 But the fact is is that almost it's blows my mind. 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.199 It blows my mind because I grew up thinking, Okay, 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.640 racism exists, you got to keep a lookout for it, 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:22.600 you know what I mean, and when you see it, 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.080 you have to be prepared to deal with it. That's 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.960 what I grew up thinking. When I became an adult, 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:32.840 I realized that everything, everything is rooted in racism, like 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:36.600 the whole sum total of it all. How in the 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:40.000 world did they get this off for so long and 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:44.400 bury it well because there was no need to, because 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:48.280 because it's not just based in racism, it's based in 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.160 white supremacy. There it is so. 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:55.520 When you can convince even those being oppressed that those 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.159 they are being oppressed with are their enemies, and they 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:03.439 will vote, they will organize, they will march, and they 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:12.719 will pursue their own dismay, their own horrible circumstances. They 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.960 will hold up a system that oppresses them because it's 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:23.000 oppressing their enemies. Right, make the supremacy of the whiteness 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.320 the catalyst for their union. 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:25.760 It's not. 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:32.840 We've discussed at length. They are not the majority. The 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:37.199 oppressors are not the majority, it's not even close. But 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:40.280 they have convinced so many of the oppressed that they're 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:45.359 on the same team that they help builders and boaster 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:50.560 the system that not only holds us down but themselves. Right, 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:54.920 we're the only nation where our champions, our Olympians, our 0:21:55.040 --> 0:22:00.119 people that represent our country are booed in our country 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:04.440 as people cheer the champions and athletes from other countries 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.879 because they're also white We don't care that you're an 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.240 American like us, you're not white like us. We don't 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.760 care that you're poor like us, you're not white like us. 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:18.160 We don't care that you have all these disadvantages like us. 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.959 Right, the amount of women who voted for the people 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:26.000 who just supported what happened with Roe v. Wade, Those 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:30.439 women are mostly white women who identify with their oppressors. 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:32.840 Right, that patriarchy. 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:36.320 They support it as well, even though it oppresses them as. 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:38.639 Well, so they never had to hide it. 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.720 There's too many people that benefit from it or that 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:46.000 think they benefit from it, so they've never had to 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:46.720 disguise it. 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.000 They put the system in place a long time ago. 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:52.760 It has functioned remarkably. 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:57.560 Actively, and this is what we're talking about here on 0:22:57.960 --> 0:22:58.399 the show. 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:03.199 And then they make us have these conversations from a 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.520 position of bias. Of course, you guys. 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.040 Think that, yeah, like we're complaining being treated bad because 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:14.200 you know, people, we don't create these stories. They're happening 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:18.119 in front of you on camera. You don't even have 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:22.120 to use your imagination. But we are put in this position, 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:25.320 As you said, how dare you complain about this wonderful 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:30.240 country that allows you right, You guys heard me get 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:33.000 upset while we read a letter last week as this 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:37.720 man told us the country allowed you understand, let me 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:42.880 let me share something. Just so you know, it might 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:46.199 have been twenty thirteen, twenty twelve, somewhere in there you 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.639 and I wanted to do a show together on the 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:52.040 radio about relationships. Yeah, we did. That would have been 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:53.840 the coolest showld have been so fun. We would have 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:54.840 had so many jokes. 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:55.280 Goodness. 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:59.400 We're doing this show because it's necessary. So we don't 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:01.880 want you to think that this is we like this 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:04.200 which is necessary. We like the time, and of course 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:08.840 we like to the growth. But left our own devices and 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:13.120 not having to live a black life, maybe our program 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:17.560 might feel a little different. Moving on, it's time for 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:23.040 the way Black History Effect. This one is also brought 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:27.480 to you by Hip Hop Weekly Magazine, and this one 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:34.800 comes from the Black Information Network. There's my guys over there. 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:42.400 So the title is Parades Recitals in More when July 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:47.080 fourth was a Black holiday. Wow, I know July fourth 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:51.639 is past. But the way the show works, you know, 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.280 we have to talk about certain things in a certain order. 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.680 We have to get to stuff this pressing. So I 0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:58.800 know our timeline isn't always the way we want it 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:02.040 to be, but there's a reason for it. We're trying 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:04.320 to prioritize what we need to prioritize. It was also 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:07.639 never a wrong time to talk about history. Very good, Okay, 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:15.800 I'll take that now, I'll read. July fourth, or Independence Day, 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:19.600