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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four

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Speaker 1: oh four, and today we're back with our habitat specific

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Speaker 1: series in which we're getting an expert panel to dive

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Speaker 1: deep into one kind of hunting terrain and today that's

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Speaker 1: open country and our panel includes folks such as Andy May,

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Speaker 1: Eddie Claypool, and Jared Scheffler. All right, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx. And

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Speaker 1: as I mentioned, we are back with this series that

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Speaker 1: we kicked off last week, in which we are diving

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Speaker 1: into one specific kind of habitat and pulling in a

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Speaker 1: group of people that have some great experience in those

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Speaker 1: types of places and getting different ideas about how to

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Speaker 1: approach it, comparing and contrasting these different perspectives and tactics

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Speaker 1: for hunting the same kind of place but in wildly

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Speaker 1: different ways, as we did last time. I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: my buddy Andy May, who who's a friend and one

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Speaker 1: of the best white tail ball hunters I know in

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Speaker 1: the world, and and he as well as myself, have

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Speaker 1: been more and more interested in hunting in these kinds

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Speaker 1: of open country habitats, whether that's Nebraska or Kansas, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: parts of Iowa, even some open prairie kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: in some of the further east states you can find

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Speaker 1: pockets like this. Um But of course anywhere around the

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Speaker 1: edges of the Great Plains are are perfect example. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of great white tail hunting in these types

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Speaker 1: of areas. But it's different than your typical Midwest or

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Speaker 1: and fields and crops and whatnot. This is this is

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Speaker 1: a different world. This is an ocean of grass in

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Speaker 1: some cases where trees might be quite rare, but deer

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Speaker 1: deer are there. And today we're talking to Eddie Claypool

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Speaker 1: and Jared Scheffler about how to find those deer and

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Speaker 1: how to kill him with a boat. And these two

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Speaker 1: guys have done it consistently and to uh to an

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Speaker 1: impressive degree. They're doing it in wildly different ways, I

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Speaker 1: mean totally different. You've got Eddie Claypool, who approaches things

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Speaker 1: in a little bit more standard approach with the tree

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Speaker 1: Jared who is on the ground chasing them down, getting

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Speaker 1: Both of these guys have been on the podcast in

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Speaker 1: the past, but it was quite a ways back. Um,

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Speaker 1: back in twenty fifteen. Maybe, UM, I think you're likely

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Speaker 1: familiar with two guys, but let me give you a

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Speaker 1: really quick introduction. Eddie Claypool has written for a number

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Speaker 1: of outdoor magazines, including Peterson's Bow Hunting, where he's still

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Speaker 1: writing now today. He's a very experienced deer hunter as

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Speaker 1: well as a Western big game hunter. Uh. He hunts

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Speaker 1: like that. Um, you should go back and listen to

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Speaker 1: that original episode I have with him back in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen. It's really great. Gives you a good

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Speaker 1: high level idea of who Eddie is and what he's

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Speaker 1: all about. Now. Jared is the the founder and and

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Speaker 1: and the host mostly of the White Tail Adrenaline DVD

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Speaker 1: series where he him and his buddies go out and

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Speaker 1: do some pretty crazy things. They chase these deer on

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Speaker 1: it's just a really interesting way to deer hunt. And

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Speaker 1: as I mentioned already, he's got it nailed. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna explore how these guys go about it. Andy and

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Speaker 1: I are going to chime in with our experiences and

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Speaker 1: our questions, and in short, it's it's it's just cool.

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Speaker 1: It's just got me. I just finished with this conversation.

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Speaker 1: in this kind of environment. It's it's just a really

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Speaker 1: in your life if you haven't already. So without any

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Speaker 1: further ado, let's get into this conversation with Andy, Eddie

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Speaker 1: and Jared. I know you're gonna enjoy it. And even

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Speaker 1: if you don't hunt these kinds of places, I really

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Speaker 1: It could be you know, why do open grasslands and

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Speaker 1: places where you don't have your traditional big timber broken country, etcetera, etcetera,

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Speaker 1: least we've shared one hunt in this type of country.

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Speaker 1: these different places because there's something special about hunting these

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Speaker 1: to start this conversation with Eddie and Jared well Man? First,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've I've been reading Eddie's articles for a

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Speaker 1: long time. UM. I've admired him, his his longevity in

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I I love the open country. I just

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Speaker 1: um that we would consider open countries? There is there

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Speaker 1: So why don't we start with Eddie? Okay, Well, it

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Speaker 1: goes without saying. The first thing I'm looking for, of course,

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna do with it. If you're a decent

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Speaker 1: I've hunted the prairie of Kansas for ever. It's the

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Speaker 1: I I don't look for any specific habitat types you can.

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Speaker 1: And if it's a state it's got a lot of

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Speaker 1: public it's a non issue. If it's not, I researched

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Speaker 1: the public that is available, and if not, I go

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Speaker 1: take a vacation in the summer or come through there

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Speaker 1: Quick follow before we jump to Jared Um. When you're

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Speaker 1: you're not as worried about property habitat it sounds like,

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Speaker 1: so what I'm wondering then, So that's beforehand. But when

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Speaker 1: the quality? How what's your first quality check on a

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering because it seems like open country, the

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Speaker 1: sign that's available, where you can find sign all. That

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Speaker 1: seems a lot different to judge than traditional farm country

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Speaker 1: all gonna hut where all the deer sign is and

430
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: where all the deer are. I hunt exactly away from

431
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: all that. For a lot of reasons. I can't. I'm

432
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: not gonna mess with the people. I'm just not. I'm

433
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: antisocial to begin with. But anyway, I'm gonna get out

434
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: there and catch that buck when he travels from this

435
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: creek bottom here three miles over to the other one. Uh.

436
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: And if he'll be walking down a fence line of hedgerow,

437
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: a brushy finger draw or something. And you know, I

438
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: sat sometimes for days on end and they'll hardly see

439
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: a deer to speak of. But when I do, it's

440
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: usually a really good you know, mature deer because I

441
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: mainly employed this strategy during the peak of the rut

442
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: during November. Um, I've I've jumped these deer living out

443
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: there in October many many times on my scouting trips.

444
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: I've dumped them out in the grass. The prairie of

445
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: Kansas were literally they were batting out there all day

446
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: long in blue stem prairie grass, and the nearest tree

447
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: would be over an hour mile for three hundred and

448
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: sixty degrees in ever direction. People don't even believe those

449
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: deer live out there, but the big ones, the big

450
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: ones specialize on it. They live with their eyes, they

451
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: can see. They bet on them prairie knoles, they can

452
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: safer half a mile in ever direction. They're like analope almost.

453
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: And so you just gotta get savvy and convince yourself

454
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: what's possible out in that open country, because if you

455
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: don't have it in your head to begin with what's

456
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: out there and what you can do with it, you

457
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: won't go out there, daddy. Um. So that's a a

458
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: really cool description of kind of what kind of the

459
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: areas like you tend to pick out, um right is

460
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: or would you you mentioned like a cottonwood tree. Um.

461
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: And one of my questions, UM, one of my questions

462
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: that I had written down was was like, what I

463
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: guess what I call like landmark trees. I've heard the

464
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: guys that Open Country mentioned landmark trees that are kind

465
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: of just out in the open, one single tree or

466
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: a little standard cotton or something. Is that Is that

467
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff you're looking for? Are you actually

468
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: going out there and finding like, uh, maybe something like

469
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: a primary scrape or something under that's worked and you're

470
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: expecting a lot of deer to come from or is

471
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: there really something to like these landmark trees that where

472
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: deer kind of come and go to and from them.

473
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: I think there is a lot to that from my

474
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, deer like a dog. I believe they've got

475
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,239
Speaker 1: scent posts. That's what a lot in my opinion as

476
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: a signpost drub is. It's more of a scent marker

477
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: than anything. It's like a dog that will walk around

478
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: his territory maybe you know as a city block he

479
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: lives in, and he'll pee on each fire hydrant on

480
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: each corner of that block. Well, dear, I think socialize

481
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: a lot by smell. And you know these trees like this,

482
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: I don't hunt them because there maybe say what they

483
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: call a landmark type tree that every deer is gonna

484
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: come to. I mean, if I find a giant sign

485
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: signpost drub out in the prairie, which I have done.

486
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: Let me tell you real quickly about a buck I

487
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: killed up in the prairie of Kansas a few years ago.

488
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: Square mile of blue stem and had one little I

489
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: call it a swag. It was a general ravine that

490
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: wound through it. And in the entire length of that mile,

491
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: through that little swag there might have been a half

492
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: dozen cottonwood trees scattered about every two to three d

493
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: yards up and down it. No brush cover, just grass,

494
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: a few scattered cottonwoods. I went out there and one day,

495
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, walked that ravine and there was a little

496
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: sumac tree there and it had a little rub. I

497
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: walked over to it, and right there beside it wasn't

498
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: cottonwood about four inch in diameter that had been grown

499
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: up by it, and it had a big old rub

500
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: on it. And I said, okay, you know, case closed.

501
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: There's one right here close. Probably I've already run them off,

502
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: and all I gotta do is get back here, getting

503
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: one of these trees here close where I can see

504
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: this entire area right here, and he's going to show

505
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: up during the run. I'll see him somewhere. So I

506
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: sat there two complete days and dark morning till dark evening.

507
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: I didn't see a close deer anything of any eyes.

508
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: I think I only saw like two total there on

509
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: the earth in those two days, and they weren't close,

510
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: and they weren't big. On the third day, right at dusk,

511
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: I looked out there and this buck was standing on

512
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: the knoll out there at three hundred yards in the

513
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: prairie grass, just standing out there, looking around. I clicked

514
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: my antlers a couple of times and seen him look

515
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: in my direction, and he dropped off into the ravine

516
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: uh above me, maybe three hundred yards, and I thought, man,

517
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: you know this could be good. Staid there at full

518
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: alert for about ten minutes, and the next thing I know,

519
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: I catch a slight movement. The blue stem prairie grass

520
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: was literally close to four ft tall, and I looked

521
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: to my ride as far as I could, and he

522
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: was standing there at thirty five yards, just like a statue,

523
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: looking around. He had eased up that ravine took him

524
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: about ten or fifteen minutes to get there, and he

525
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: was the full alert looking for what he'd heard, you know.

526
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: And uh, it was one of them nip and tuck

527
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: deals to get that dear bowshot because it was dead

528
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: calm that day. You could hear a pen drop out

529
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: of the tree. But to make long story short, he

530
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: ended up getting himself bow killed right at dark and

531
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen minutes of shooting, light left, and he had

532
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: been batted out there in that prairie grass and got

533
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: up late in the evening and he was so old

534
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: he didn't hard to have a tooth in his head.

535
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: He was one of these old ancient bucks that was

536
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: just a prairie monarch that had lived out there all

537
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: his life and survived with his eyes. And for me

538
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: to accomplished killing him out there in that type of

539
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: habitat with my bow, you know, those things rank right

540
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: up there on the top of the totem pole with

541
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: you all your days. You know, you're you're just really

542
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: satisfied to pull it off. But anyway, you know, that's

543
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: kind of what it works with me. I just I

544
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: I believe they come to those certain trees as a

545
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: landmark sometimes, but especially if you got any overhanging lambs

546
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: like you've mentioned where you can find a scrape. If

547
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: you ever find a scrape out in the open prairie,

548
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: it ain't there for no reason, and there will be

549
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: a dominant buck, right because if you take the prairie

550
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: grass I hunt in up the Flynn Hills of Kansas,

551
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: you know every square mile up has got a large

552
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: ant or dominant buck in it, and he may live

553
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: out in the grass, but he sign is there somewhere.

554
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: So if you get out there and look for it

555
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: and find just a little bit of the sign. To me,

556
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: if you put that with the patience of job, then

557
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: you ought to have a chance that deer probably m eddy.

558
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: Do you think, uh, you mentioned calling a few times.

559
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 1: It sounds like that's been a big part of your

560
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: success or a tactic you often used. Do you think

561
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: because you pick these spots that are away from like

562
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: the obvious where all the other hunters are, the creek

563
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: bottoms that you know have more trees and stuff, that

564
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: you're you're kind of out in these spots where typically

565
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: they don't ever encounter other humans. Do you think that

566
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: is part of the reason you're calling? Is so effective.

567
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: Always absolutely. I mean I've always said this right here, redneck,

568
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: but it's simple and at some point, I'm a great

569
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: hunter of dumb deer. I mean, you give me, dear,

570
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. You know. You put me in the

571
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: Northeast with most educated white tilts in the world, I

572
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: may become a very average bow hunter, but I love

573
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: to hunt dumb animals. So I go to the extremes

574
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: of getting dumb animals in front of me. And yes,

575
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: out in a prairie like that, those big mature bucks.

576
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: If you really know their lifestyle, if you can really

577
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: grasp it, they don't come down to the standard cover

578
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: hardly ever. Um, they don't live down there with the

579
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: rest of the deer. They're vagrants, their loaners, and they

580
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: don't get bothered. They don't get educated a lot. So

581
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: when you get out there, you know, and you're sitting

582
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: up like a diamond and a goats, we're in you know,

583
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: with your bow, and when I'm comes by, then you know, yeah,

584
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: you're dealing with a dumber deer. In a way, it's

585
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: not a dumber deer because it's usually if it's an older,

586
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: mature bucket, it's still got got the goods, but you

587
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: catch them with their pants down. The deer that are

588
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: down there is creek bottoms. Those two three four year

589
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: olds that are getting meshed with all the time. I mean,

590
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: it's just like anything else in life. The the you know,

591
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: give me dumb eilk, I can kill him. Give me

592
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: dumb whitetails, I can kill him. Uh you got everybody

593
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: else can cut their teeth on the one just getting

594
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: hammered olday long. I won't be there for a lot

595
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: of reasons. I don't want to hut super educated deer

596
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: the ones I'm after and gonna be a number down

597
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: there because they get killed and um, I don't deal

598
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: with people too well. I think Eddie hit one nail

599
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: on the head there too when he said that that

600
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: I can definitely attest to. And that is those those

601
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: big mature dear like that. They don't go down in there.

602
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: That's that's pretty rare. Maybe a fluke hoto old rag

603
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: one down there once in a while or something. But

604
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's like that piece that I was talking

605
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: about that me and Matt walked into, or these mature

606
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: bucks were we're back in there. I mean that was

607
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: a mile from prime lush crieck bottom, the kind of

608
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: stuff that you just most white tail hunters would be

609
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: drooling over. And I never stepped foot in there because

610
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: those and those big deer, I never seen them hardly

611
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: even get to where you could see them, you know,

612
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: like they stayed. They stayed, they knew where they were at.

613
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: And the reason I kind of hit on that pieces

614
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: because I went back late season. I had to cut

615
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: that trip short. Went back late season, and in that

616
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: square it was a big square, uh with no road

617
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: going through it. Most of it was private, but with

618
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: this public I ended up seeing I don't know, probably

619
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: six more bucks that I figured were five to six

620
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: year plus old animals, you know, in the in the

621
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: course of I don't know how many days I was

622
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: there there in late season. The one day I had

623
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: twelve bucks together bacheirt up, which was kind of a

624
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: crummy deal. If you're trying to late season bow hunting

625
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: and play the ground game with them like me, that's

626
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: pretty tough when you got post that's eyes and it

627
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: ain't rut, you know. Yeah, Jared, what about the landmark

628
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: tree thing that the Andy brought up? Do you and

629
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: I know most of the time you're you're on the move,

630
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: you're trying to get eyes on a deer. But do

631
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: you ever find yourself in a situation where you haven't

632
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: found one, but you come across a piece of sign,

633
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: like a loane tree with a big scrape underneath it

634
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: or a huge rub do you ever take a second, say,

635
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: you know what, this is the spot that might be

636
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: worth waiting as a as a you know, scouting point

637
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: or anything that. Do you put any value into something

638
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: along those lines. You know, there's been many times over

639
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: the years since we quit running tree stands back in

640
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: on nine that I said, boy, if I handed to

641
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: a tree stand, that would be a hell of a spot.

642
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 1: And I do think that a person that has a

643
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: balance of both. I just love hunting white tails on

644
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: the ground and I'm too impatient to uh to to

645
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: to wait a real long time. But there's been many

646
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: times where, you know, I know that I'd be better

647
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: off sometimes, you know, having that as a strategy. It's

648
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: just like Eddie out up calling. That's a tool that

649
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: you can use and sometimes that works, you know, And

650
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: it's like that's the way I kind of look at things,

651
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: like we have that decoy, that's the tools it's not

652
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: for every situation, but for the right situation, will break

653
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: that out or chance he he's he's great at calling,

654
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: you know, and and uh, sometimes you break that out.

655
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: You've got all these different you know, things in your arsenal,

656
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: your your hunter's toolkit, whatever you want to call it.

657
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: That it's like, you know, different strategies apply and to

658
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: certain scenarios. And I think, you know, if I wasn't,

659
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: if I had more patience, then there's been many times

660
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: that have come across situations just like Eddie described there

661
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: that it's like, yeah, if I put my time in

662
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: there for five days, I'd probably kill a big one.

663
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: And then sometimes we get the visual and and yeah, yeah,

664
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, you know, catch one walking by or or

665
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't bedding too far away from there. Um, you

666
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: know that we see that quite a it often. Let's

667
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: let's dive into something that both of you mentioned, but

668
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: I'd like to get in a little more detail. It's

669
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: the whole calling thing, which it sounds like, at least

670
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: in your perspective, Eddie seems to work better in these

671
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: areas uh than others, maybe because these deer aren't pressured

672
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: as much as maybe they are here in me and

673
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: Andy's home state of Michigan. Um, can you can you

674
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: walk through in detail the types of calls you think

675
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: work best in open country or the scenarios when you

676
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: would use some kind of call in this kind of country. Maybe, Jared,

677
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: you can kick us off with this kind of rundown

678
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: of the detailed um the details behind how and when

679
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: you might call in these places. You know, a lot

680
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: of people don't my kind of ground game strategy. So

681
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: you know, I I generally, because I'm going to try

682
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 1: to put together a game plan to go to this dear,

683
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: I generally hold off on calling myself unless he's covering

684
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: too much ground and I can't get ahead of him,

685
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: or I don't have embedded, you know, or sometimes there's

686
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: one across the line, ry he gets over across the

687
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: line under private, that's another scenario I'll pull calling out.

688
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: But other than that, my strategy is usually like I

689
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: like to lay quiet, not let them know, bet them,

690
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: or maybe I've already got embedded and and then I'm

691
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: going to plan a route in like that. You know.

692
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: The the one thing about calling an open country to uh,

693
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, Eddie brought it up. It is very effective

694
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: and it's really effective when you got a decoy on

695
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: top of it. You know, a lot of those open

696
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: country areas they not always but you know, like the

697
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: planes of Cans is the population dear, populations generally aren't

698
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: too high. So I think that that helps make the

699
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: calling you know better, um, and maybe Eddie can hit

700
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: on that a little bit more. Yeah, would you say, Eddie, Well,

701
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: definitely the population is you know low in the prairie

702
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: top country, but so is the people population, which makes

703
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: you to go for me because you know, to me

704
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: as I've gotten older, and I don't get me wrong,

705
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: I've lived through most of the stages of by hunting maturity,

706
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: and I don't knock anybody for whatever stage they're in.

707
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: But you'll learn if you get to be blessed to

708
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: live long enough and do it long enough, you'll eventually

709
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: get to be hearts about a lot more than just

710
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: killing those giant antlers. I've chased them giant antlers for

711
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 1: forty years and I've got my share of them. Now

712
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: it's more about, you know, the quality of the outing,

713
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: wide open spaces and quiet, unplugging from the rat race.

714
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's why I hunt the perry and as

715
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: far as the calling goes, here's the deal with me.

716
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: I've always admired a guy that can get on the

717
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: ground and go after these things. I can't be a specialist,

718
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: you know in that, because I just I said, a career.

719
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: You know, I have not felt like I am good

720
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: at getting on the ground and killing white kilsa. I

721
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: I totally admire the ability to do that. I'm envious

722
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: of it. Even though I'm accomplished at what I do,

723
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: I'm not accomplished at what you're doing, you know what

724
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean, And so you need to know that I

725
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: totally res am awed by the fact that you pursue

726
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: these big bucks on the ground and kill them effectively

727
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: with a bow. I sat somewhere, so the calling is

728
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: a lot more effective for me. I can totally see

729
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: why you wouldn't want to call on the ground. It's

730
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: going to focus that deer on you, you know. Um.

731
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: To me, it would be a buddy system. If I

732
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: was going to be on the ground and call, I

733
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: would want somebody with a decoy off to the side

734
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: of me calling, you know, and and maybe have me

735
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: be the shooter. I don't know, I don't know. I'm speculating.

736
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: But for me setting in a tree, it's deadly because

737
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to bring a deer to me that is

738
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: not going to be able to see me when he

739
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: gets there. And yew. The decoy thing can be really good. Uh,

740
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, if I have one, Uh, I've had him

741
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: react to it every type of direction, you know, good, negative, whatever.

742
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: I've just about got to where I don't use the

743
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: decoy calling anymore, because, um, if I see a rudding

744
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: buck that I call prowling in other words, he's crossing

745
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: country and it's he's he just stumbled along looking to

746
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: get somewhere to go harass another though, I just feel

747
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: like I can call the thing in almost all the time,

748
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: and I do it mainly with a grunt call. I

749
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: just standard. Oh, I don't get fancy a couple of

750
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: grunts if he's so far away that he's not going

751
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: to hear it. I always care a large set of

752
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: antlers to get their attention, because I've actually stopped him

753
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: from probably a third of a mile or so off

754
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: in the prairie with a big set of antlers, just

755
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: to get him stopped and get him to listen, and

756
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: then give him a couple of loud grunts, and then

757
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: just I've watched him walk a third of a mile,

758
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm broken to walk right up ten yards in my

759
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: tree and stop. And uh so, grunt call is deadly.

760
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't ever call if unless i'm absolutely half to.

761
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: In other words, I'll call to get his attention, to

762
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: get him started. I don't make another sound unless he

763
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: loses interest. Don't overcall. They'll get far more a suspicious

764
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: of overcalling than they will undercalling. Keep their curiosity, yet,

765
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: don't let them pinpoint you anymore than necessary. If they're

766
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: coming from a long distance, you know they're not going

767
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: to know within you know, x amount of feet where

768
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: your ad over there. So let them get over there

769
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: and then give him a chance to walk around you

770
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: a little bit, trying to see you know where you're at,

771
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: and give you a good shot. If you're calling when

772
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: they're walking in, they're gonna have you pinpointed, and they're

773
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: gonna walk right up there and stand there facing you,

774
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: looking and you know, so anyway, grunt call and have

775
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: a big set of antlers to catch one's attention from

776
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: Why y'all, what about wind direction? You know in in

777
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: broken country and egg land here. Um, a lot of

778
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: times we're not gonna see Dear as far away as

779
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 1: you might. But one of the things I'm thinking about is,

780
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: is this dear generally on my downwind side. If that's

781
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: the case, I might not I probably won't call to him.

782
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: Even if I'd love for him to come in closer,

783
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: I'd be worried about him swinging down on wind all

784
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: the way and catching my wind as he comes in. Um,

785
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: do you worry about that same thing? Because it seems

786
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: like an open country where there's maybe no obstacles, it's

787
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: it's really easy for them to swing down. When do

788
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: you see them do that? What do you? What are

789
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: your considerations there? They do sometimes I've had them, especially

790
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: if it's I like to kill these suckers during the

791
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: absolute picker up when they're they're literally just staggering around

792
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: in a stupor. And I'm talking like usually from about

793
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: the twelve of November on the breeding is starting, they're

794
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: kind of getting goofy. The big ones finally show up,

795
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: the really big ones that you don't even know exists

796
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: will show up by around you know. Sometimes I have

797
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: bucks out in that prairie that will show up around

798
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: the week of Thanksgiving that I don't even know existed.

799
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: They're coming from somewhere and they are usually the absolute biggest.

800
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: You'll see them one time. You had better get them killed.

801
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: That time. You're never going to see him again. They're

802
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: liable to be five or eight miles from there the

803
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: next day. I don't know where they go. They're like vapors,

804
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: but they will at times. You know, if it's earlier

805
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: in the rut, earlier, especially in October, you might start

806
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: trying to call the one. He might start coming, but

807
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: he's really more alert, he's really more uh thinking, and

808
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: he will swing around and get you, and so I

809
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: don't Usually I just look at the deer in the

810
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: time of year and what he's doing, and how goofy

811
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: I think he is. And you know, if if he's

812
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: goofy out of his mind with the rut, usually at

813
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: first call, they just be line it right to you,

814
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: just be line it is. There is there a certain

815
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: grunt call that you have come to, has become your favorite,

816
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: or you just kind of whatever you can get at

817
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: the store. Well, I'm you know, I'm a simpleton, I

818
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: really am. I actually never even bought a grunt call.

819
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: For like, well, I first got one about ten years ago.

820
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: Now that tells you a lot. I used to just

821
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: use my vote. Literally, I could sounds just like about

822
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: grunt with my voice, and I just did it with

823
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: my voice. I finally end up getting I think it

824
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: was a Primost hard wood or something, just something. I

825
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: know what they sound like, and anything that will make

826
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: that sound suits my blows my skirt up. So no,

827
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't have a I don't have a favorite. Yep,

828
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: where do you want to go next? Andy? Well? So Jared, Well,

829
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: you guys both could probably answer this, but I know

830
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: I think I've seen it on some of your videos. Jared,

831
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: but are you seeing sometimes like individual mature bucks kind

832
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: of in the same general area of open country year

833
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: after year? Like, uh, they're like like like they obviously

834
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: mature bucks have a home range. It varies depending on

835
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, terrain and habitat, but it seems like an

836
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: open country sometimes get on those same bucks and very

837
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: similar areas, right, Yeah, you know, but Eddie brought up

838
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: a good point there about you know, sometimes they might

839
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: be coming from five eight miles away, and he said,

840
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: you better get him killed that day when you see him.

841
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: You know, that. That just made me think about over

842
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: the last few years, I've had three different Big Bucks

843
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: that by the next day I had a straight line

844
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: distance on him of over four miles that they had

845
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: went um, it's crazy and and and uh fo, sure

846
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: the same dear, you know. So I was just kind

847
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: of thinking about this about a month ago when we

848
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: had one that was just over four and a half miles.

849
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: That's straight line, that's no fooling around, that's right right

850
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: to a t I had. I had a you know,

851
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: a marked spot that you could see on the ariel

852
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: and all that. But it got me thinking about like

853
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: the range. So if I got a Big Bucks spotted

854
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: one day and I don't get him killed in that

855
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: open country, I know that they can be that far away,

856
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: but that makes it pretty challenging for like myself to two.

857
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: I got my hands full trying to find him a

858
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: lot of times the next day because he could be

859
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: anywheres let's just say four miles from that spot. So

860
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: now you're talking about an area that you've got to

861
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: cover that's eight miles by eight miles. Most of it's

862
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: probably gonna be private, and you're gonna hope maybe you've

863
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: got a couple of pieces of public three four maybe

864
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: in that eight mile by eight mile section, you're talking

865
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: about forty acres that he could potentially be on. You know,

866
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: that's the kind of range that some some of those

867
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: west you know, those open deer cover. Um. But as

868
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: far as year to year, you know, uh, I don't

869
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: actually see generally the same buck. Like you know, I

870
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: go out there, I'll find new bucks every year and

871
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: wonder what happened to this one the year before? You know,

872
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know, you know, I haven't had much

873
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: success on that. But for people that know my style,

874
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: I don't do any preest scouting. I don't run cameras.

875
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: I spend very little time in an area if I

876
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: don't get a visual and I'm pulling the plug and

877
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: moving on. Um. So uh you know, and I'm not.

878
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: I try not to get attached to a deer. Um.

879
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 1: I love big bucks, just the same as all all

880
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: of us on here do. But I try not to

881
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: do that, um because I you know, there's it's it's

882
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: easy to get hung up on them and they might

883
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: be on private and I had that happened to me

884
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: two years ago. You know, a big, massive deer that

885
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: I thought would end up on public I I kinda

886
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: let some opportunities go on some good, beautiful public land

887
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: deer that I shouldn't have, you know. But so yeah,

888
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: that's interesting because I I haun a lot of uh

889
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: it's a little different. I hunt a lot of northwest

890
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: Ohio in a couple of counties where it's I mean

891
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: it's open flat, grand flat ground, but it's egg so um,

892
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, once the what's the core and the beans

893
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: come out, it's just flat marbled like flat top open country.

894
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: And the deer do have very like they are very nomadic,

895
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: I have noticed. But what what I did start to

896
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: key in on is I I was starting to find

897
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: out that certain mature books are showing up. You know, say,

898
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: I often found books that would be two three miles

899
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: apart at various parts of the season, but then they

900
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 1: would show up as specific little areas of cover during

901
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: the same time of year. And it wasn't like a

902
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: a guaranteed thing or every deer was doing that, But

903
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: I will starting to see trends where I was kind

904
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: of picking up the same deer in the same small

905
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: pockets of cover very similar times year to year. So

906
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: I was just curious if you ever saw that out there. Yeah,

907
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: you know, I think that generally. I think that if

908
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: I found a big buck in that open country and

909
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: I had my heart set on him and I didn't

910
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: get them one year, you know, I do think if

911
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: I dedicated myself to that area and didn't move on,

912
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: if I didn't find him eventually, I'd probably find him.

913
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: If he wasn't dead, he would probably be somewhere. You know. Well,

914
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: I mean, my buddy Tanner there, he shot one that

915
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: he should have gotten last year, and that it took

916
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: him four or five days to find him in that

917
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: deer was six miles away from where he was on

918
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: him the year before. So uh, and he did end

919
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: up getting him and that was a that was a

920
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: big one. But um, but yeah, I mean I I

921
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna be fifty miles away or five

922
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: miles away. I think you have a rare case of

923
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: that happening, you know. But but yeah, they cover ground

924
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: in that open country. What it's been my findings that

925
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: they once they get him, I don't know. Let's just

926
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: say that you get about four and a half years

927
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: somewhere in there where the breaking point is where they

928
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: become fairly much of a loan or out in that

929
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: open country, they will I don't know at that point

930
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: when they finally kind of decided to become the vapor

931
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: type duck if they're gonna stay around where they were

932
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: born and raised, or if they're gonna leave country and

933
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: go make their way in another spot. But when they

934
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: get to where they're going and they finally start into

935
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: the older part of their life from let's just say

936
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: four and a half on up, they develop a very

937
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: finely tuned plan on where they can live and not

938
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: be bothered, and they figure it out real quick. And

939
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily conform to what we the people UH

940
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: would would think of maybe, but it works for him.

941
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: And I think they pretty well stay in a small

942
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: area most of the year out in that open country.

943
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: I think, you know, once they get done running, they

944
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: go to their their highy hole I call it area.

945
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: And it may not be a hole. It might be

946
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: right out in the wide open grass. It could be

947
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: a big old prairie basin. Um I've seen them bed

948
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: in a basin that didn't have that was a half

949
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: a mile wide in all directions, that only had a

950
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: couple of little spots of waist high buckbrush out in it,

951
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: and and for some reason that's where they liked and

952
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: that I think they live in those spots until the rut.

953
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: Then they get up and they start to travel, and

954
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: they don't go very far, I don't think until they start,

955
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, once they start breeding, they finally loose their cookies.

956
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: They get goofy them. That's the time of year when

957
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: you're Liabelcy, when I'm walking across the interstate, We're standing

958
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: in the front front of your truck in the county road.

959
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: They get out of their mind. Around Thanksgiving. They've been breeding,

960
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they can't find another hot dough

961
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: hardly and they lose their cookies looking for that last

962
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: little flurry erupted, you know, that last hot dough they

963
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: can find. And they're liable to travel literally countless miles

964
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: during that time of season. But as soon as that

965
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: starts to get over there in December, they'll migrate right

966
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: back to their HIGHI hell, I do believe because they

967
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: can live and get into seven or eight years of

968
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: age by staying in a heidi hill somewhere. They don't

969
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: get that old by walking around in different places. All time,

970
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: they'll get the rare ms poached or shot off by

971
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: some ranch hand. Something would happened to them. They have

972
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: a heidi hill area out in that open country that

973
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: makes them a living. So you mentioned right there, you

974
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: mentioned some of that, you know, some kind of little

975
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: brush that might be a hidy hole for a buck

976
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: out there. And and earlier you mentioned a handful of

977
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: other kind of habitat features that might attract dear movement

978
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: a little. You mentioned that swag like a kind of

979
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: low ravine, You mentioned fence rose, you mentioned, you know,

980
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: some of these isolated patches of trees. Um for someone

981
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: new to this type of hunting who's considering going out

982
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: to open country for the first time, Um, are there

983
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: any other habitat features to consider? I'm just thinking, as

984
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: a new guy, if I came out there and I

985
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: had a list like ten different things that should be

986
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: looking for, Um, one of them is going to be

987
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: a swag, a low a low ditch through there. One

988
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: of them gonna be some tree lines. Are there any

989
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: other cover or terrain features that someone should put on

990
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: their list of of check on this or consider watching

991
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: for deer in this type of zone. Well, you know,

992
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: when you asked that, one little thing pop into my mind.

993
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: Now this isn't real common, but it occurs, and I've

994
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: found them, especially up in Nebraska. Lot um I call them.

995
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: They're not potholes, but they're close swampy, little swampy spots

996
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: that are low iron and they're out in the middle

997
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: of nowhere in open country. Maybe they have cat tails

998
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: or maybe they don't, but they stay wet way more

999
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: than anywhere else. They'll grows some stuff. It's a little

1000
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: bigger and taller, and I'm telling you, I just personally

1001
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: believe that's where a lot of these bucks makes are

1002
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: living in those little spots like that um they've got,

1003
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, usually a little bit water there. And I

1004
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: mean these I have watched mature bucks pre rut out

1005
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: in the prairie a mile from any trease in any direction,

1006
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: get up already ments for dart, start browsing in the

1007
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: prairie grass in the grass. Now there's like seventeen or

1008
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't remember, I read it somewhere. There's like I

1009
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: don't know how many kinds of species of things that

1010
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: grow out in that grass that are all high priority

1011
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: to a deer. People look at that grass and they say,

1012
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: let's just cattle land them deer can't make a living

1013
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: out there. Don't even kid yourself. They can make an

1014
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: awesome living out on that grass. There's all kinds of

1015
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: things they eat out there, and it's all down at

1016
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: the ground level. Because I've watched them put their head

1017
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: down in that blue stem and browsed down on the

1018
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: ground level for a minute or two at a time

1019
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: before every picked their head up, you know what I mean.

1020
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: So you know a little a little swag. Do you

1021
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: ever find out in the middle of nowhere with some

1022
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: brush or you know, reads and high grass or weeds

1023
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: in it? Uh? Let it pick your brain, because you

1024
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: may have found a spot where one I'm likes to

1025
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: bed often. And there's a couple of points that you

1026
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: were bringing up there to mark. You said you hunt

1027
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: a lot of open flat crop in that north part

1028
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: of Ohio. And that got me thinking about a big

1029
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 1: buck I was on a month ago, and this buck

1030
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: was literally living in a cut corn, very barren cut corn.

1031
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a weedy one, and he would just

1032
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: find a little tiny low spot and bedding it. I

1033
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: caught him out there six days in a row, and

1034
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: I just didn't have wind on on on to two

1035
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: days that I really needed it to to put a

1036
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: stock on him. So I never ended up getting the deer,

1037
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: but it was really cool. And when you find those

1038
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: big bucks like that in those pockets, it's really fun

1039
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: to sit back and kind of observe how they'll play

1040
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: their cards so fine tunedly with if the wind switches

1041
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, I had a situation the

1042
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: year before on a big one. I had six stocks

1043
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: and seven days on him, and uh, you know, he

1044
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 1: he really liked this one. Kind of it was open country,

1045
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: but kind of a ditch draw. And that's one thing

1046
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: too in Kansas I find is a little tiny ditches.

1047
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: You can't hardly sometimes see him on an area, but

1048
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: if it's it don't need to be very deep. But

1049
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: especially you get a wind day, you can about bet

1050
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: that there'll be a there'll be a good one that

1051
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: they like bedding in those kind of like little ditches.

1052
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: We find them in there quite regularly. Yeah, I see that,

1053
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: that's a fact right there. I hadn't thought about that.

1054
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: Out there in the prairie, the wind can blow like

1055
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: a band sheet and they will get down in the

1056
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: little bitty depression or behind a you know, a no

1057
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: small no And I watched some uh this year, one

1058
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 1: big button particular, come and go from this one spot

1059
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: out in a in a real broad, low low spot.

1060
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: He come and went with two or three different dos

1061
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: over a period of a week that he was breeding.

1062
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: And that's another thing. You know, those big deer they

1063
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 1: might make a trip down to the more traditional cover

1064
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: at night and you know, you go down there and

1065
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: you walk that out, you see these giant rubs and

1066
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, you know I'm gonna hunt

1067
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: down here. This is when they're at well, they're just

1068
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: down there at night. They come down there at night,

1069
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: cut them a dough out of the herd and take

1070
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: her back out into the wide open. The breeder. They

1071
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: do not want no competition with that dough. They don't

1072
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: want to stay down there because some other bucks are

1073
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: gonna come by and try to kick their rear ends

1074
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: for her. And you know it's natural you take your girlfriend,

1075
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: take her out in the country to go park and

1076
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: you don't you know what I'm saying, but anyway, that's

1077
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: the way it works with them. You know, they play

1078
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: the game pretty smart. And if you ever watch when

1079
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm coming and going with a dough to a spot

1080
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: out in the open country, you may have found what

1081
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: I kind of think might be I kind of I

1082
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: don't know this. I don't even know when I'm enough

1083
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: of a redneck that I'm repeating stuff at standard terminology anymore.

1084
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: But years ago I started call them breeding sanctuaries. They

1085
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: have spots they like to take their dough to out there,

1086
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: and they will dominate her. I've watched and run him

1087
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: like a cutting horse until both of themse tongues would

1088
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 1: be flopping out their head, hitting him upside the head,

1089
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: and they will eventually domineer that dough and make her stay,

1090
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: and she'll give up and stay and then they breathe,

1091
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: And you know that usually lasts for like a day

1092
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: and a half. They stay there and do that, and

1093
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: then the next night he's liable to go down there

1094
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: at two in the morning, cut him another dough and

1095
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: head back out there. But if you find every one

1096
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: one of them out in that open country breeding, you

1097
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: better believe that that's one of his favorite little spots

1098
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, there's a couple good points you brought

1099
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: up there about that is that's that's a lot of

1100
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: times why I don't like to get hung up on

1101
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: sign that I do find out, Like I'm cautious of it,

1102
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: knowing that those deer could very you know, you survey

1103
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: the situation. I think he brought up a point earlier.

1104
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: The more you do it, the more you just you

1105
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: go with your gut. Your gut gets very sharp at

1106
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: being able to detect like is this a public land

1107
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: here making this sign? Like is he coming here in daylight?

1108
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: And I see many times hunters I think, in my opinion,

1109
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: they'll get hung up on that sign, and it's like,

1110
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: well that's that's those those deer a private land here

1111
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: that are coming over here at night making that sign.

1112
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: And you might get lucky, but you know, and that

1113
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that all sign is that way, but I'm

1114
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: just kind of cautious of that um And one other

1115
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: point to in that open country that we look for

1116
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: a lot when it's rut, when we're putting on the

1117
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: miles and we're spending this much time glass and a

1118
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: lot of times what tips us off on a big

1119
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: mature buck, you know, is an actual satellite buck. You know,

1120
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: just you know, if you're if you're covering ground, if

1121
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: you're glass doing a lot of glass, and we do that.

1122
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: We do this in the timber too. You know, I

1123
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: killed one a number of years ago doing this in

1124
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: the timber. I ended up some satellite bucks. I called

1125
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: in and I was like, there's a big buck up

1126
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: on that ridge. I bet with the dough and that

1127
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: was all woods. But I use those satellite bucks is

1128
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: they're the ones that let me know, you know, and

1129
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: uh so we'll look for that. You know, you see

1130
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: a little little tiny buck out there, you know, standing

1131
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: in that grass or whatever, and he doesn't look quite right,

1132
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: like he's just standing around, and it's like, what's he doing, Well,

1133
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: he's probably satellite And you park it there and you

1134
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: start glass and you might catch a big bucks rack.

1135
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: I mean, pretty good chance there's gonna be a big

1136
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: mature buck lockdown with the dough, especially in that open

1137
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: country like that where those dough numbers aren't very high.

1138
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: Usually if a dough is hot, a mature bucks gonna

1139
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: find her and and you're gonna you're gonna have that.

1140
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: You mentioned the satellite bucks kind of tipping you off

1141
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: to locating a buck like that. I know that glassing

1142
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: and generally getting eyes on a good buck is is

1143
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: such a huge part of your whole strategy. Are there

1144
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: any other things you've picked up over the years that

1145
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: help you spot more dear, whether that's where you choose

1146
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: the glass from or the actual glass you use, or

1147
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: gear you use, or glassing techniques, anything like that that

1148
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: helps you actually get your eyes on one. Yeah. There, there,

1149
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things. One thing is is if

1150
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this open ground and you're gonna kind

1151
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: of do this spot and stock kind of thing, you know,

1152
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: I I absolutely have to have good glass, like I

1153
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 1: can't be without it because I won't get I won't

1154
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: get nearly as much accomplished. So you know, get some

1155
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: good glass. But one one trick that I learned last

1156
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: year and now I use it all the time is

1157
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: I have a pretty good tripod and I've had it

1158
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: for fifteen years. But it's got a nice fluid head

1159
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: on it, and it's got a wide enough base that

1160
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: I can just drop my binoculars right on that. And

1161
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: sometimes you get a wind day where you got our

1162
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: winds and you're trying to glass grass, You've got a

1163
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: lot of movement and it's very hard to pick up

1164
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: just randomly if you unless you betted one. You know,

1165
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: if you bed one and you know he's out there,

1166
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: obviously it's easier to find it. But if you're just

1167
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: free floating glassing and you haven't gotten a visual yet,

1168
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: what I like to do is set that tripod up

1169
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: and then I pulled down on on it with my binocks,

1170
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: and I can about get rid of most of that wind,

1171
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: you know that that I couldn't otherwise do. And you know,

1172
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: my buddy Tanner, he was doing some hunting with me

1173
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: this year and and and he he's a really really

1174
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: good hunter, and I showed him that trick and he

1175
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: immediately was like, whoa, this is a game changer. This

1176
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: is a serious game changer. Um, so try that. You know,

1177
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: that's that's a good one. I always like to have

1178
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: good optics with a good steady rest, you know. And

1179
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: in fact, in the vehicles, I make my own sort

1180
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: of there's not a window mount that I like, so

1181
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: I'll take an actual fluid head and then I put

1182
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: one of the window clamps on it. So, um, because

1183
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: having a good steady rest, when you're glad, when you're

1184
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: glass and stuff half mile it ain't is big of

1185
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: a deal. But when you're trying to glass, you know,

1186
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: beyond a mile, and sometimes you're getting out there to

1187
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: three miles. I mean I've picked up Dear. I mean

1188
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: people would probably you know, think I'm be Austin, but

1189
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: I've picked him up right around five mile Dear before.

1190
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: But you've got to have a steady rest if you're

1191
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: and good optics if you're gonna do that, you got

1192
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: to have both. Though. If if you're gonna have to

1193
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: pick just one optic for your long distance classing so

1194
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: you're from the car or or really long distance type stuff,

1195
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: would you use a spotter or would you like a big,

1196
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, high power set of binoculars for that? Okay,

1197
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: So if I had to pick one optic and that's

1198
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: the only optic I could use all fall, I would

1199
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: take my twelve by fifties and those are those ones

1200
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: are vortex L tra hds UM. I generally will spot

1201
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: Dear with the binoculars first, then transfer over to the

1202
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: spot or to you know, how big a buck are

1203
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: we dealing with? Here? Is there other you know, and

1204
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: try to pick up you know, if there's you know,

1205
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: that's one thing when I get a visial on a

1206
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: big bucket. I'm gonna make a play. I gotta know

1207
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: is he alone? Does he have just a dough? Is

1208
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: there one satellite? Buck to three? Where they at? Because

1209
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: I gotta plan a route to get in there, and

1210
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: not just get into compound range. You know, I'm trying

1211
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: to get in long bowl range, and so that's a

1212
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: whole another end a camera guy and trying to weasel

1213
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: in there. And you know that's the one thing about

1214
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: doing that game is a lot of times we aren't successful.

1215
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: But sometimes it all comes together. And sometimes it's the

1216
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: ones that you think there's not a chance you're gonna

1217
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: pull it off. But let's try it. That come together

1218
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: real smooth. That's funny. You know you don't always get them.

1219
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: Let me interject something right here, because I gotta tell you.

1220
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how um much I am stymied

1221
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: by the thought of getting in on these big deer

1222
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: and killing him off the ground with a longbow touched scenario.

1223
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: Um you the man, I'm telling you you deserve I

1224
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: bow down, No kidding, I'm uh. I mean, I know

1225
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of way to skin a cat, but

1226
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: of all the route to choose, you make bow hunting

1227
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: bow hunting, Okay, and uh, you do it at the

1228
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: most incredible level. I mean I I look for the

1229
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, shortcuts to kill them, setting a trace down,

1230
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: let him stumble by. It don't get any better than

1231
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And I applaud you. Okay, well, I

1232
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: appreciate that. But you know, like with it though. I

1233
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,479
Speaker 1: mean sometimes I've had ten fifteen stocks where I didn't

1234
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,479
Speaker 1: get them. They're unsuccessful. But the cool thing about it

1235
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: you learn, you learn things along the way that sometimes

1236
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: you know and you can I'm sure attest to that

1237
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: with your style of hunting as well. You know, you

1238
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,439
Speaker 1: learn the ones that you don't get are the ones

1239
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: you always you know, learn the most from. Yeah, well

1240
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: I tell you to try to figure out what you're

1241
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: doing and make it work. Um, i'd have to start

1242
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: back over. I'd have God, I have to give me

1243
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty years back to get started because I'm

1244
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,439
Speaker 1: I just I'm not a great stalker and get into

1245
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, wooden stick bow range, uh, and get it

1246
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: pulled off. I couldn't hit a hit him anyway. But

1247
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I know what you're doing, and I

1248
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: give you all due credit okay, so so so tell

1249
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: me this, Eddie. Um, with your style of hunting in

1250
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: open country, how important is glassing and optics and all

1251
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: that to you? Um? Do you do you do any

1252
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: long distance scouting like that beforehand? Or is it all

1253
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: ground and pound hike it until you find a good tree? Um?

1254
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: How does that fit into yourself? I do use optics.

1255
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: I don't use them, you know, at the level that

1256
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: we're talking here. I mean I always have a set

1257
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: of ten Empire, you know. I have a little small

1258
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: set of Swarovski ten Powers that go with me, and

1259
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: they're right there in reach because I do you know,

1260
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: even though I'm not as much into big bucks as

1261
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: I used to be, I still am into them. Uh.

1262
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: I want to know what I'm like that, you know.

1263
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: And I see them a lot of times at the

1264
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: distance and I can't tell if it's a hundred or

1265
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty five inch, you know, I don't know.

1266
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: So yes, I use them, I really do. But you know,

1267
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm just to the point in my life now, in

1268
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: my early sixties, to where if I see a good deer,

1269
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: I want to try to get it that day I

1270
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: go with, you know, if I if I don't have

1271
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: a wedgie that day, and I'm in a good mood.

1272
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: I want to kill a deer, and I try to

1273
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: do it. You know, if it's I might shoot a

1274
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: hundred and forty inch deer anymore, which I used to

1275
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't have walked across the street for a hundred and

1276
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: forty inch here. But things have changed, and uh, you know,

1277
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,479
Speaker 1: I'll go with my heart anymore. I didn't even shoot

1278
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: a good deer this year up in Kansas. I I

1279
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: didn't even shoot one. I just let them all go

1280
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: and let some one fifties go and finally, just you know,

1281
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: I just you know what I mean. And so I'm changing.

1282
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm going through manopause right now, and it ain't funny

1283
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: telling you guys. Live it up while you can. Take

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01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: this old man's advice. And when you get close to

1285
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: starting to feel it to hit you, shift it into

1286
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: high gear and don't let it get you down. Go

1287
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: go get hormone replacement therapy, do something. Just don't go

1288
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: get old, because um, it's not gonna be fun on you.

1289
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: If you if you've lived large like like we try to,

1290
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: I've lived large for forty years, and it's hard to

1291
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: get old, you know what I mean, it's hard to

1292
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: accept the limitations. So you know, I just uh, I

1293
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,919
Speaker 1: take really good optics, but I'm sure they don't play

1294
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: nearly as integral part in in my hunt as they

1295
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: do Jared. You know what what's next for you? Andy? Um?

1296
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: I know there's so many things that we're talking about

1297
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: here that make me think about some of the stuff

1298
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: we were doing in Nebraska a few years ago. And

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01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: even though we were able to get on you know,

1300
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: I got on really early and you were on one

1301
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: pretty quick to we were able to figure it out

1302
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: in that scenario. I'm already thinking, you know, if we

1303
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: had if we'd stayed ten days, or if we were

1304
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: more picky, I wonder if we could have found deer

1305
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,439
Speaker 1: over in this area, or I wonder if we could

1306
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: have went about it a little bit different. And that's

1307
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: about we're hunting. It was slightly different than some of

1308
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: these scenarios, and that we're hunting kind of sandhill type

1309
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: habitat with big, wide, open grassy hills and then very

1310
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: thick covered river bottoms in the middle. So he had

1311
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: one swath of great, big cover surrounded by an ocean

1312
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,799
Speaker 1: of open grass. Um so I'm thinking about that scenarios

1313
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: we're talking through here, But what are you thinking about, Andy? Yeah,

1314
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about that too. Um. Here's here's a

1315
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: good question for you guys. UM. And I know this

1316
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: depends on the time of the year, like early season

1317
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,919
Speaker 1: versus rutt versus late and you guys can can expand

1318
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: on that if you want. But in my experience, like

1319
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: I've seen bucks bed in this type of country like

1320
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: seemingly using the wind to their advantage. But then there's

1321
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: other times I'll see them like it seems like they're

1322
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: looking more for shade and they're not using the wind

1323
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: to their advantage. And then other times, like maybe in

1324
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: some real cold weather, they're out in the sun more

1325
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: so it seems like sometimes they're betted more for a

1326
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: wind advantage, is which is what I'm more used to

1327
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: like back home around Michigan, monitoring you know, pressure monitoring

1328
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: their backside and setting up you know, facing down wind.

1329
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: But I don't always see that in open country, and

1330
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: I've often we'll see dear just kind of moving around

1331
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: to like shady spots if it's like maybe a real

1332
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 1: sunny day or unseasonably warm. Have you guys seen that

1333
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: same kind of thing. Jared, you probably have a lot

1334
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: of experiences because you get to observe so many bucks betted. Yeah,

1335
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 1: you know. I Here's what I find is when I'm

1336
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: hunting you know, big bucks early season, late season, I'll

1337
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: find them using you know, betting a lot. They're a

1338
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: lot sharper with how they bed with that wind at least.

1339
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: And what I'm saying is mature bucks, you know, so

1340
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: four plus we'll just say, okay, so semi mature to

1341
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: mature level. Those there are sharp. They're on another level

1342
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: from from those younger two two year old bucks and

1343
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: even the threes to where they get yeah, I mean

1344
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: they don't like it the wind switches a little bit,

1345
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: and they'll get up and re bed thirty yards to

1346
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: accommodate it. They're they're just on a different level now.

1347
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 1: During the rut there's so many times we sneak up

1348
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: on big Bucks that they aren't looking where the you know,

1349
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: the where that you know that the generalal thumb is okay,

1350
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 1: they're looking where they can't smell. I I find that

1351
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: not to be the case nearly as much during the

1352
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: rut um. But also if their bachelor grouped up. That

1353
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: changes too, So you've got to three bucks with this,

1354
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, big Buck. If usually they're playing it pretty smart,

1355
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 1: like this one's got discovered for visual, this one he's

1356
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,839
Speaker 1: he's got it covered for. It's fun to watch him

1357
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: in these types of situations. And and we had a

1358
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: pretty good situation where we were able to document some

1359
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: of that a couple of years ago pretty well, um,

1360
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: with a big one that I was chasing. But but yeah,

1361
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times when I'm putting a

1362
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: sneak on him, I'm still just kind of cheating that wind,

1363
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, just off of their their nose. That seems

1364
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: to be the route that i'd say gets picked over

1365
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: any other. You know, it's not that often that we

1366
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,759
Speaker 1: can come in straight down window a big Buck, even

1367
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: even during the rut. But I do see where, Um

1368
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: it's not like, hey, he beds down and he's looking

1369
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: where he or you know, he's not looking where he

1370
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: can smell or can't smell. It's not like that's like

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01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: a rare thing for me to see during the rut. Um,

1372
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: that's pretty common. So I don't know if that answers

1373
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: your question. Yeah, Ednie, have you have you been able

1374
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: to observe that much. I'm pretty much rot in line

1375
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: with that. Early season. Late seasons totally different ball game.

1376
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 1: They're on a survival, you know, pattern, and they don't

1377
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 1: compromise much there during the smaller, lesser crap shoot and

1378
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 1: all invariable sea mentioned plays into how there, how it's

1379
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: gonna play out. I think it's just the roll of

1380
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: the dice in the rut. And uh, to me, what

1381
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: I'd say is, if you know which, to me, that's

1382
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 1: most of the time when somebody's gonna be trying to

1383
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: get up on a buck on the ground, it's probably

1384
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: during the rut, I would think. I don't. I mean,

1385
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how much everyone that hunts him on

1386
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: the ground goes out and hunts him in October and

1387
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: in December. I'm sure they do, but their success has

1388
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 1: got to be mainly in that month of November when

1389
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: the cards turn their way a little bit better in

1390
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: the bucks show their weaknesses. But you know, I have

1391
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,879
Speaker 1: to play the win pretty bad. Even out in the prairie.

1392
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: I still am cognizant of it NonStop because I'm trying

1393
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: to stay in them immobile spot, and so I always

1394
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,759
Speaker 1: try to pick the one direction and the one spot

1395
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,799
Speaker 1: to where it. I think it's the absolutely less likely

1396
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: that somebody's when I'm is going to get around behind me,

1397
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: whether he's crossing country on his own or whether he's

1398
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: running a dough out there. You know, the wind is

1399
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 1: just I live and die by it. I don't worry

1400
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: about all the scent stuff I did for many years.

1401
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,839
Speaker 1: I run myself crazy messing with scent and burn myself

1402
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: out on sent elimination. And finally just said, I'm going

1403
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: back to the old school. And if they smell me,

1404
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: they smell me. But I'm gonna try to keep them

1405
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: from it. But you know, I haven't found it to

1406
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: be much of a you know, I don't what tells

1407
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: a whole lot in the first half October and the

1408
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: last part of the December anymore. I don't do it

1409
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: a lot, uh hind them mainly when they're breeding mid

1410
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: October through late November, and so it's a crap shoot.

1411
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,719
Speaker 1: It's a crap shoot on what they're doing on anyone

1412
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: given day. My advice so that is this, get your

1413
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: eye on the thing, whether on the ground or in

1414
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 1: the tree, and get that thing over there and get

1415
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 1: it killed. Juice common sense, do what you gotta do,

1416
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, be a man and get the job done.

1417
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: And if you have to strip off and walk naked

1418
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 1: backwards to it, if that's the tactic that works that day,

1419
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: smear mud all of yourself and get the job done.

1420
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean, don't don't go by all this. We have

1421
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: refined white til hunting down to a book. We've got

1422
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: the rules and the regulations. That's a bunch of crap.

1423
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to you know, a book that can tell

1424
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: him how to do it. Well, the book is get

1425
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 1: your rear end out there and do it and learn

1426
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: and figure it out and it'll all work out. Yeah,

1427
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: I think you got I think what's what you just said.

1428
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean you two are a perfect example of two

1429
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 1: completely different strategies, but both get it done. And I

1430
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: think you guys both play into your strengths. Like Eddie,

1431
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: you said, you you're so patient, so you're able to

1432
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: put in those days upon days in a single location

1433
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 1: and and waiting for a good buck to make the

1434
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: mistake and come by. And Jared admitted he's a little

1435
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: more impatient and it just enjoys chasing on the ground

1436
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: and that's his strength. So it's just so cool, you know,

1437
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: to hear two different perspectives. Um, I I kind of

1438
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,679
Speaker 1: want to dive into a little bit of the stock.

1439
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: And I guess this would probably be more to Jared

1440
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 1: because he does more of this. But yeah, um, there's

1441
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: so many things to keep in mind, um obviously, uh,

1442
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: And I'm hoping you could dive into a few things.

1443
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: But like you know, from from the camel the lack

1444
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: of camel that you use, I've noticed that you tend

1445
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 1: to pick out colors that really match that prairie grass. Um.

1446
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: You know, the direction of the sun, which way the

1447
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 1: animals facing, um, even to the best time of the

1448
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: day to do this. So like for me, like when

1449
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm hunting mule deer, I often, um, I'm often bedding

1450
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 1: them down and I have to keep all that stuff

1451
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 1: in mind obviously, the wind direction, which way the wind

1452
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: is the sun is facing, and all that stuff. And

1453
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 1: then I like to go after him kind of in

1454
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: that noon to one o'clock time frame because it seems

1455
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 1: like they're real kind of groggy at that time. They

1456
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: got their head down a lot, they're a little bit sleepy.

1457
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: I mean, do you do put do you pay attention

1458
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: to some of those things when you're going in for

1459
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: a white tailers, like when you see him, you're going

1460
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: in now. You know. I used to be rammier to

1461
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: where it was like we gotta go, we gotta go now.

1462
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: But more often now as I'm getting older, and sometimes

1463
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: I get burnt on this, but I'll put on that brakes.

1464
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: Like a few years ago or no, two years ago,

1465
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: we had a we had a good one that betted

1466
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: first first light. I mean within a couple of minutes

1467
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: of shooting light. He was betted already, And I was like,

1468
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: you know what, we we need some win to pick up.

1469
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: So that's another good thing about a lot of times

1470
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 1: we'll just look at weather dot com or whatever, and

1471
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: a lot of times you know your wins gonna pick

1472
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: up late morning and that's gonna be a better time

1473
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: for you to you know, have the noise cover that

1474
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: you might need to get in there close. Um. So

1475
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: so that's that's a good factor there. Plus they get

1476
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: settled in and comfortable. So like on this particular dear,

1477
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, he betted right at first light,

1478
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: and he's going to get up on his feet and

1479
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 1: stretch his legs. Probably within about two hours, whatever somewhere

1480
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 1: in there is for that particular day is what I figured.

1481
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of deer do that. Now,

1482
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll get lucky and they'll bed right back down

1483
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: there or reposition ten steps. But I've had situations where

1484
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: if I got a stock and I'm gonna have to

1485
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: lose my visual throughout this stock. I've done those before

1486
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: and hadn't waited for them to get settled in comfortable,

1487
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: and they got up and repositioned, and then I had

1488
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 1: to crawl back out of there and find him back,

1489
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: and maybe they moved two hundred yards, three hundred yards

1490
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: for nderd yards find him back, and usually don't find

1491
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 1: him back until they get back on their feet, which is,

1492
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, a good chunken of the day. And now

1493
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: I might not have enough time to make a stock,

1494
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: So I think exactly what you said right there, that's

1495
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 1: that's usually when I think it's the best time is

1496
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: right that midday you wait for the wind to pick

1497
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 1: up um and that don't always happen. Some days you

1498
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: don't get that wind picking up, but that's pretty common,

1499
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: you know. I like a day that starts out where

1500
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: it's not very windy at all, if it's windy up

1501
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: sun up, your activity is going to be very very

1502
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: low if it's plus at sun up, but it'll be

1503
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,759
Speaker 1: a better late morning mid morning, you know, movement not

1504
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: not maybe great, but better than first light is what

1505
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: I've found. Um. Well, one thing I do want to

1506
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: hit on, uh, when I do get a vigil on

1507
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 1: a big because you brought this up about sometimes we're

1508
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: just wearing tan clothes or whatever. It's not even a camel.

1509
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: So we tried Guilly suits the number of years ago.

1510
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: The problem with gilly suits in the sun the open

1511
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: country is unless you're laying flat on the ground, they

1512
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: get really dark on the backside where the sun you know,

1513
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 1: can't get to and then all the bunches of material

1514
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: if the sun's hitting him on a cross know like

1515
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: cross ways, you've got these bunches of material and you

1516
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: basically have a valley so you have a shadow, so

1517
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: they get real dark on the opposite side. So I

1518
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: don't like gilly suits for for that reason. I picked

1519
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: up I pick up I'm fortunate enough to pick up

1520
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: a lot of our mistakes in video, you know, when

1521
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm editing, um, But when I get a visual on

1522
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: a big buck, and I bet him most of the time.

1523
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: I can pull this off, not every time, but I'm

1524
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: gonna plan my route obviously based off a wind direction

1525
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: being one and and and then other factors beyond you

1526
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: know after that. But I'm going to try to come

1527
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: straight in. You know, I'm not gonna you know, And

1528
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: I used to do this in the woods too, Like

1529
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: even if I didn't have a visual on a big buck,

1530
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: I try to picture where I think they're gonna be

1531
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: betting an approach that betting area where I'm coming straight

1532
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: out it because you've got so many shadows and highlights

1533
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 1: in the woods. I know we're talking more open country here,

1534
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: but I do the same thing in the open country.

1535
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: If I'm coming straight out of deer, there's a lot

1536
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: less movement than me coming in at quarterine to or

1537
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,799
Speaker 1: even broadside, So I don't you know, I'm very careful

1538
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: on approaching a deer or a betting pocket where I

1539
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 1: think I might be able to visually pick one up.

1540
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to come in straight on on it

1541
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: because there's a lot less movement for them to pick up.

1542
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: I you know, I've realized that I didn't realize I

1543
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: was doing that for a while, and it's just one

1544
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: of the things that I'm like, that's something I always do,

1545
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 1: and it makes a lot of sense. And and uh

1546
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: so I think it's a good point to bring up

1547
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: to somebody that's maybe never stocked before. Keep that in

1548
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: mind planning your route to just coming straight in on

1549
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: that deer. So sorry, Jared, can you I'm just not

1550
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: tracking when you say straight on coming in straight in,

1551
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: so that straight on in relation to the sun or

1552
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: straight in is in like you were just walking directly

1553
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: at where the deer is. Just explain that a little

1554
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,520
Speaker 1: bit better. I'm all right. So from the deer's position,

1555
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,879
Speaker 1: you know, you know a lot of times I'm crawling,

1556
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna crawl straight, you know, so i might

1557
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: have to back out and do a loop to get

1558
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,799
Speaker 1: the wind right, but then I'm to come straight straight

1559
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 1: head on. Does that make sense? So so so, so

1560
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: next time you and Andy are together and just put

1561
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: him a hundred yards out in the woods or in

1562
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: the open country. If he's coming in quarter into a broadside,

1563
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: that's a lot more movement than straight on. I know

1564
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,759
Speaker 1: it sounds silly, but a lot of people don't. I

1565
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: think factor that in and and obviously when you're sneaking.

1566
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: The other thing is is I don't like to take

1567
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: my eyes off when I'm moving because the second I

1568
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: do that, They're gonna pop their head up at some

1569
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: point and I gotta be all freeze in that moment.

1570
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,719
Speaker 1: And if I'm looking at where my I'm gonna plant

1571
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 1: my feet or whatever while I'm moving, and then I

1572
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: look up and they got me. So, um you got

1573
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 1: That's one thing. I can look at where I'm gonna go, like, Okay,

1574
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: I gotta move my leg like this, but I don't

1575
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 1: do that movement until I'm back looking at the deer.

1576
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: So if he picks his head up and and looks

1577
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: my direct action, I can instantly freeze. And if I

1578
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 1: didn't do that, I would get pegged a lot more

1579
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: substantially more minor little or major detail. But Jared, real quick,

1580
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: uh do you ideally is would you rather come at

1581
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: that deer kind of from the side, um, like, so

1582
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: you you gotta deer. Let's say he's he's bedded on

1583
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: just on the down or on the back side of

1584
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: a little hillside, you know, with the wind coming over

1585
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 1: the hill, and he's kind of facing down are you

1586
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 1: going to try to come in more from the side

1587
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: and slightly above or it seems like a lot of

1588
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: times you end up like literally like right over top

1589
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: of their back. So what ideally, what do you try

1590
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,520
Speaker 1: to do? You know, That's the one thing. Every situation

1591
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: is different, you know. Um, if I can cross one,

1592
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,600
Speaker 1: kill him, that's the way I like to generally do it.

1593
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: And I think the reason I just like to do

1594
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: it that way is because generally I can't come in

1595
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: directly down wind, and the cross winds the best I

1596
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: got and some you know, you got to really watch

1597
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: that wind though, because I mean I I missed out

1598
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 1: on a big one this year. I had a great

1599
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 1: win for a while and I was making a play

1600
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: on him and I was in compound range, but all

1601
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I felt it on the back of

1602
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: my neck. It switched forty seconds and he got me. Um.

1603
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 1: So that happens from time to time. But it was

1604
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 1: really our only route. We only had an eight mile

1605
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 1: in our wind. Um. We had just just just the

1606
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 1: right setting to be able to pull this off with

1607
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,719
Speaker 1: this situation, and unfortunately that wind just kind of switched

1608
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 1: on me. But a lot of times I'll I find

1609
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 1: that cross wind. Coming in on the cross wind is

1610
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: going to be the best route. Um. You know, I

1611
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, in recent years, I found myself coming over

1612
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: the top a little bit more than I used to. UM,

1613
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: I don't like to do it generally when I'm trying

1614
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: i'd to actually, uh, when when I'm moving in on

1615
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 1: the deer, I don't like to do it as much. Um.

1616
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,759
Speaker 1: It's just hard to film. It's really hard to film

1617
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: that you're coming over the top skyline. Skyline is already

1618
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,679
Speaker 1: a tough deal. But when I'm like going into a draw.

1619
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: Let's say I'm hunting open country and it's kind of

1620
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 1: got some broken draws, and maybe I think there could

1621
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: be a big buck bedded down in this drawer, this

1622
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 1: ditch I find myself. I realized this last year. Over

1623
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 1: the last couple of three years, a lot of times

1624
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: I am coming over skyline so um, which isn't probably

1625
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 1: the way most guys should start out. UM. But I

1626
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: think I just over the course of time, I kind

1627
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: of developed a system to how I scan the open country,

1628
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: the draw system or whatever, to where I'm very confident

1629
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,799
Speaker 1: about doing it, where I'm gonna have them spotted before

1630
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 1: they get me. Um. But the reason I I like

1631
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: doing it that way is because oftentimes I uh and

1632
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: I mean a lot better position to actually spot them.

1633
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: And I think a great example of that is actually

1634
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 1: the newest video we have out. There's a bonus disc

1635
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 1: in there. And there was a big buck that I

1636
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 1: was chasing and I had seven stocks and seven days,

1637
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 1: six were with him, and almost all those I think

1638
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 1: actually all those situations we had to come over the

1639
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: top to to move in on and but also to

1640
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,679
Speaker 1: get the vision we didn't have. He was a deer

1641
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 1: that was bedded down at first light a lot of times.

1642
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: You know, he was a smart deer. It wasn't rut

1643
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:36,759
Speaker 1: yet and and uh, we didn't get busted ever doing

1644
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 1: that over the top. But um, that's a fine line there.

1645
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: But I love doing that because usually I got a

1646
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: higher position to get a visual on them. So it's

1647
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 1: easy for me and that that particular system, you know,

1648
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: sometimes there'd be three, four or five different bucks in that,

1649
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of does here, and I gotta know

1650
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 1: where all these deer are at. And if I'm coming

1651
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: like on a draw system, if I'm half way down, yeah,

1652
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: I'm not skylined anymore. But now I might be missing

1653
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: a deer or two that is gonna really screw me

1654
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: if I don't have their position. So if you can

1655
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: get good at spotting them first in a skyline type

1656
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: scenario where you're coming over a ridge, that's one thing

1657
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: that I think, uh I realized over the last couple

1658
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: three years, I started doing more of and I don't

1659
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: know how to describe that other than uh, I used

1660
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 1: to see more tails going the other way. Um, but

1661
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 1: I I think I just I do a really good

1662
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: job scanning the pockets where they might be betting, and

1663
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: then I'm confident of that that I've scanned that good

1664
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: enough that I don't go back there, and I focused

1665
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 1: on you know, when I move up a few more inches,

1666
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: now I just focus on this little sliver that I

1667
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: couldn't see before and kind of eliminate that. If that

1668
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: kind of makes sense. When you're coming over the top,

1669
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 1: you're really thread the needle on the wind. If obviously,

1670
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: if they're bedded with the wind of their advantage, right,

1671
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yes, some of those situations. Yeah, I mean,

1672
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm coming over skyline and I have the wind

1673
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: working for me. But but that's a good point you know,

1674
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 1: And that's that's one thing in the open country when

1675
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: you're talking not the flat ground, you know, flat Kansas

1676
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: prairies that we've hunted, and he's hunted a lot, you know,

1677
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: then you go to kind of like that more. It

1678
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 1: sounds like you guys had a hunt here a couple

1679
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: of years ago where it was probably more like draws

1680
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: open country kind of stuff. Is that right? It is fun,

1681
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, one thing that I realized by sitting back

1682
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 1: and glass and it's really fun to look at what

1683
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 1: the wind is gonna be, like how much wind are

1684
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: we getting today, and then be able to just set

1685
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: yourself up to be like, okay, all these deer are

1686
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: gonna be betting on this side, these types of draws,

1687
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: these types of ridges, and it gets pretty fun to

1688
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: be able to predict where there. I'm actually gonna take

1689
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: all that knowledge that I learned, and I'm planning to

1690
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: do more wooded stuff like I used to do again,

1691
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: because I can't wait to take what I've learned by

1692
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 1: watching them in that type of setting and how they

1693
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: use wind and and you know, I'll be able to

1694
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,600
Speaker 1: eliminate a lot of acreage on a wooded set, you know,

1695
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 1: if there's a fifteen mile plus our wind in the woods,

1696
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: I'll be able to eliminate a lot of that acreage

1697
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: that I didn't ten years ago in a hunted woods,

1698
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:19,839
Speaker 1: I didn't really do that is as much. So just

1699
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 1: just so people can follow along at home, how would

1700
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 1: you how would you apply that to the wooded setting?

1701
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 1: So when you're getting that strong wind, where is that

1702
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: going to push the bedding? Okay, so if I'm hunting

1703
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: ridge type stuff like say like the bluffs of Wisconsin

1704
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: or you know a lot of those types of rid

1705
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 1: Not all hills are like this, but a lot of

1706
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: that type of hill terrain, those you know, the bigger

1707
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: bucks are bedded right over the top of that ridge

1708
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: quite often. But you know there's different hill systems where

1709
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: that's not true. But that type of setting, now I

1710
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 1: would just take a look at the top. Okay, we've

1711
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: got a fifteen mile per hour plus wind today. They're

1712
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,799
Speaker 1: not gonna be bettered, you know, in these types of settings,

1713
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: are gonna be out of that wind, catching it coming

1714
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: over the top. And I could just go into a

1715
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: wooded scenario and eliminate more of that acreage based off

1716
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 1: the kind of what you described. You know, Okay, the

1717
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: winds out of the west. You know, there's a draw

1718
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 1: you know, they're catching that scent coming over the top

1719
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 1: just a little bit, and they're out of the wind,

1720
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 1: so it's not you know, it's it's nice and quiet,

1721
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, where they don't have a bunch of noise

1722
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: going on around them. Um, deer don't like that. The

1723
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: only deer that I've seen get comfortable with that is

1724
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 1: those flat planes, like Kansas deer. They just gotta get

1725
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: used to it. You know. Sometimes they can find a

1726
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: ditch like we were talking about earlier to crawl into.

1727
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 1: But and Eddie, you can probably expand some more on

1728
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 1: some of that. I don't spend I don't know why

1729
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 1: I spent my whole life stalking but not white tails.

1730
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:56,839
Speaker 1: A lot I spent you know, meal deer, alk, antelope, whatever.

1731
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 1: And I don't know what I do compared to the

1732
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 1: think thinking process of everyone else. But like if I'm

1733
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: on the ground after something, I guess I would say

1734
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 1: the very first thing my mind assesses is the lay

1735
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 1: of the land, to where my first thought is, how

1736
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: can I get the absolute closest to this animal using

1737
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 1: the lay of the land. Before I even have to

1738
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: start thinking about the next step, which might be the

1739
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: wind or the sun angle or the cover or whether

1740
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 1: I can you know, am I gonna have I will try,

1741
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: Like if I spotted at five hundred yards, I want

1742
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 1: to if I can get to two hundred yards real

1743
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 1: quick by using the lay of the land, that's step

1744
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 1: one for me, you know. And of course I'm not

1745
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 1: going to run into that animal. It goes without saying.

1746
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't even say this. Anybody with a brain knows

1747
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 1: you don't run in there and let them smell you, you

1748
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But using the wind, you're

1749
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 1: going to run in there and get as close you

1750
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 1: can using the terrain, and then stop, crawl up there,

1751
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 1: look at the scenario and assess how to do it.

1752
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: Whether you're gonna crawl on a sidehill or come over

1753
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: a skyline right behind them, It'll all depend on where

1754
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: they're batted in the cover and the wind. You know.

1755
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 1: The last part is the wind and the cover equation

1756
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 1: of a stock. To me, the first part is the

1757
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: lay of the land, because unless it's wide open, pull

1758
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: table flat, there's always usually some kind of hell or

1759
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: some kind of a swag you can use to cut

1760
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 1: your distance and half, you know, But anyway, I don't

1761
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: know if that was exactly what you asked me, but

1762
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 1: that's what I went on a tangent on. No, that's

1763
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: that's that's good stuff that that last moment though, So

1764
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 1: you use the land to your to your favor. Um.

1765
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 1: Jared described a little bit of what he's thinking about

1766
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 1: as he makes those final approaches. Can you give us

1767
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: a few more thoughts for your final approach once you

1768
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 1: do have to think about the wind, the sun, um,

1769
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 1: crawling versus sneaking, um, any other tips from your experience

1770
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 1: talking in on mule deer and whatnot. Yeah, you know,

1771
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 1: I get as close I can with the land, and

1772
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: I of course, like I said, I've already got an

1773
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 1: idea of what to win prevailing you and I will.

1774
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,759
Speaker 1: I will use the land in conjunction with the wind

1775
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: from the start to get around on some side of

1776
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 1: that animal. That's as close as I can get to

1777
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: where I'm going to have the wind. That were when

1778
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 1: I start my final stalk, I know I've got the

1779
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 1: wind at least usable. I don't want to get as

1780
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 1: close as I can to the animal, and you know,

1781
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 1: and then end up with the wind not favorable to

1782
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 1: make the final part of the stop. So you've got

1783
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:31,640
Speaker 1: to put them both in conjunction. But the lay of

1784
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 1: the lands the first part. When I get close, you know,

1785
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 1: then I'll stop for quite a bit of time and

1786
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 1: really watch like he does, and look at the surroundings.

1787
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:42,679
Speaker 1: Pick him apart, because you know, you don't know what's

1788
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 1: laying there. There might be three or four him you

1789
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 1: haven't seen. There may be some more over there four

1790
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 1: hundred yards away in a bowl across the prairie that

1791
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:52,600
Speaker 1: you know we're going to stand up. I've had I

1792
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:54,680
Speaker 1: don't know how many times I've been stalking a particular

1793
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 1: animal and it get up and run off because another

1794
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: deer stood up over their four hundred yards away and flagged.

1795
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 1: You know. So you know, you gotta get close as

1796
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: you can to begin with, and then assess the situation.

1797
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 1: And then I'm just a firm advocate of all my

1798
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: stalking I do pretty much. It's not all, but it's

1799
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 1: if I can, I'm gonna do it on my knees

1800
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:22,639
Speaker 1: and elbows. You know. If I'm a stalking hunt type guy,

1801
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:27,639
Speaker 1: like an oper, whatever, elk anything, I'm keep as low

1802
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: profiles I can get I'm gonna belly crawl. I mean,

1803
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 1: the shadow you're throwing is significantly less. And you know,

1804
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: if you've ever watched the cow walk across the pasture

1805
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:39,719
Speaker 1: in the early morning or late even and the thing's

1806
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: throwing at eight foot shadow, maybe that's moving along with it.

1807
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: Get as low as you can, you know, get down

1808
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 1: there where there there's no more for them, the spot moving,

1809
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: then your physical body, you know. And and really really important,

1810
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 1: really important to me is the part about he mentioned

1811
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 1: earlier about keeping your eyes on. I just absolutely don't

1812
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 1: move on an animal, hardly. If I'm in the final

1813
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 1: stages in the open, I won't move unless I'm watching

1814
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 1: that thing and knowing that he hasn't tuned into something,

1815
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 1: and that he's not alert, and that he's not goking

1816
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 1: right my direction at the moment I watched the you

1817
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: don't basically don't move if you can't see them good

1818
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: enough to tell what's going on. Wise wise words. H.

1819
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 1: I got a question on that. Uh, And I know

1820
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 1: this is going to depend completely on the situation, But

1821
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 1: which do you guys prefer? So, like, Uh, you sneak

1822
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 1: into a white tail mule deer or whatever, and he's

1823
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:52,559
Speaker 1: betted Um, do you prefer to shoot them bedded down

1824
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 1: or is it something where you sneak into bow distance

1825
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: kind of wait for him to stand up and and

1826
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 1: give you that shot. I was. The reason I asked

1827
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: is because I was forced with this decision in Nebraska

1828
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: this year on a giant Muley, and I could have

1829
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 1: shot him in his bed. I was over him. I

1830
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 1: came from over the top like you're describing Jared, and

1831
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 1: he was twenty I don't know, three yards or something.

1832
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 1: But I had a great shot. He was facing directly

1833
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: away from me, but I don't know just the way

1834
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 1: that the way the hill was was kind of tapered down,

1835
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 1: and what I could see of his of his body,

1836
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 1: I just didn't feel super confident with it. So I

1837
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 1: just kind of sat there and waited, which was risky

1838
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 1: because you know that wind could have swirled at any time.

1839
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:45,599
Speaker 1: But I just kind of let him do this thing

1840
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:47,600
Speaker 1: and start. You know, he could tell he's starting to

1841
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: move around a little bit, move his head around, so

1842
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna stand. And then you know,

1843
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 1: after I don't know forty minutes or so, he stood

1844
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 1: and then gave me a shot. But what do you

1845
01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 1: guys typically do. I know it's it's completely situational. But Jared, well,

1846
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 1: I think you made the right call. If you don't,

1847
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 1: if something doesn't feel right or you're not confident about

1848
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 1: that shot, you don't take it. Um. You know, a

1849
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 1: few years ago, Chancey snuck up on a big buck

1850
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: bedded in the plains of Kansas in the grass and

1851
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 1: that was after Thanksgiving. Um, but he snuck up there.

1852
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 1: I think he got six or seven yards from it,

1853
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 1: and it was a big old one. Um, and he

1854
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 1: shot at betted And I think that's the first betted

1855
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:33,679
Speaker 1: deer that we ever had on a video that we shot.

1856
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 1: You know, I just wasn't really a big fan of

1857
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 1: it ever. But he brought up a good valid point

1858
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 1: and he said, you know how many times they stand

1859
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 1: up and they have us pegged, And now you're dealing

1860
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:49,600
Speaker 1: with a deer that's just on pins and needles and

1861
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 1: might get ten inches a drop on you. There's a

1862
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:54,640
Speaker 1: lot of variables in there. And I think if you

1863
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 1: have a good shot on a bedded deer, I don't

1864
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 1: think there's anything you know wrong with that. I don't

1865
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 1: think I've ever taken that shot, but I'm a lot

1866
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 1: more open minded to it than I was, because he

1867
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 1: had a lot of good points on that. I was like, yeah,

1868
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a good point, you know, I thought, so, Um,

1869
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean, my favorite shot is a head on shot,

1870
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:19,800
Speaker 1: but I'm hunting deer on the ground, not out of

1871
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: a tree stand, and that's a whole different ballgame. Um.

1872
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 1: And the first time I did it, it was an

1873
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: accident and I realized how deadly it really is from

1874
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:32,240
Speaker 1: ground zero. And so my favorite is a head on

1875
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 1: shot then quartering to then broadside. But a lot of

1876
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 1: people wouldn't probably agree with that, but about everyone I've

1877
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 1: ever seen lost as a broadside. So if you're shooting

1878
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 1: a good setup, that's what I like. UM on that

1879
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 1: and so many times on the ground that happens I

1880
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 1: head on a recording to um, we find that to

1881
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 1: be pretty common. Um. So I know I kind of

1882
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 1: got sidetracked there, but no, that's good. But but you

1883
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 1: said it, you know, like I guess I kind of

1884
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 1: want to stress that to the listeners. A good setup

1885
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: is key. Oh yeah, A heavy, heavy arrow a good

1886
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 1: penetrating broad head. Right, So what do you you use?

1887
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 1: Something pretty darn heavy, don't you? I do. I actually

1888
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 1: just got a grain scale the other day. I was like, God,

1889
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 1: I've needed one of these for a while. I knew

1890
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: I was up there in the seven hundreds, but I waited, waited,

1891
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 1: and I got eight oh eight, and then uh I

1892
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 1: realized I had a lighted knock on there. So I'm

1893
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 1: a little bit under eight hundred on my heavy, heaviest setup. Um,

1894
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 1: and I'm shooting a two blade head, which I have

1895
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 1: my theories on that it's a cut on contact, but um,

1896
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 1: I look at a two blade cut on contact head

1897
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 1: like it's really a one blade head. Because when you

1898
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,440
Speaker 1: got a split bone, you're only splitting in one direction

1899
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 1: versus a three billade. You actually have to break the

1900
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 1: bone three different directions. Um, you know which I'm all

1901
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 1: about least two. You know, getting through bone as easy

1902
01:38:57,439 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 1: as I can to get you breaking bone never never

1903
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: kills kills a deer, So you gotta get through it.

1904
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 1: And uh so I'm not afraid. You know, I've shot

1905
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, a handful on that quarter into her head

1906
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 1: on with with the longbow, and I've never had a

1907
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 1: penetration issue. Um, so yeah, that's what I shoot. Eddy.

1908
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 1: How about you? I know you haven't stalked a lot

1909
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 1: of white tails, but even you know, even I think

1910
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: hearing some mule deer stories can even be helpful for

1911
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:30,160
Speaker 1: guys that they were gonna hunt open country for white tails.

1912
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 1: But are you shooting them more bedded? Are you kind

1913
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 1: of situational? Well, I've shot a few bad as a

1914
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 1: couple over the years, and I can't tell you up

1915
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,679
Speaker 1: front that I ever felt comfortable maybe with that because

1916
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 1: it's just a much more compact target that I feel

1917
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:52,640
Speaker 1: a little less comfortable getting through the sign because you

1918
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 1: never you just never end up rarely shooting them in

1919
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 1: their bed or you're around on the belly side facing

1920
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,879
Speaker 1: yet you know the sides you can get through the easiest.

1921
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,759
Speaker 1: You're usually trying to shoot through their back or down

1922
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:07,560
Speaker 1: off of a rise above them or something, and you

1923
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:09,759
Speaker 1: just have a lot of bone structure. But I've shot

1924
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 1: him that way and managed to kill him real well, Um,

1925
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 1: I've had a wound or two over it. I won't

1926
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 1: hide that. But you know, the biggest thing was why

1927
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:23,599
Speaker 1: I hate stalking is because I can get right up

1928
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 1: there to him a lot of times and then not

1929
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:28,679
Speaker 1: get the bowshot accomplished, because you know, trying to get

1930
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 1: the bowshot accomplished without them being onto you and running

1931
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 1: off or jumping up and spinning around and you know,

1932
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:39,280
Speaker 1: facing you, which you know I have a mental block.

1933
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 1: I have a literal mental block about shooting a deer

1934
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: facing me. I back in my early elk hunting career,

1935
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 1: I tried that a few times. Of course, now it

1936
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: was elk and it's a different ball game. I didn't

1937
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 1: get through their front structure, well I can. I have

1938
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 1: a literal brain dead spot up there that will not

1939
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:57,600
Speaker 1: function in the heat of the moment that tells me

1940
01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 1: to shoot them in the base of the throat. I

1941
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 1: have more of a tendency, like an idiot to try

1942
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:04,559
Speaker 1: to shoot him in the chest and it, you know,

1943
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 1: trying to get through that stern hum is ridiculous. But

1944
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 1: I I have a problem getting them shot, you know,

1945
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:14,719
Speaker 1: on their feet, uh, without them jumping up and running

1946
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:16,679
Speaker 1: out there and looking back at me broadside at fourty

1947
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 1: or fifty yards, And then I'm into what I call

1948
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:22,280
Speaker 1: a hope shot then and I just end up don't

1949
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 1: even take in the shot because I don't feel comfortable

1950
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 1: with it. I haven't had time to range it when

1951
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: it stopped usually and I'm not flinging in an arrow

1952
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,599
Speaker 1: at it. So you know, that's the biggest problem I've

1953
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: had with my stock, and it's just getting the thing.

1954
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 1: I can often stock up to an animal and feel

1955
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:41,599
Speaker 1: like I should have killed it, absolutely should have killed it,

1956
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:44,440
Speaker 1: and it gets away from me because I'm just too cautious.

1957
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:46,679
Speaker 1: I guess with my shots or something. But I haven't

1958
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 1: done it on the extent. You know that some of

1959
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 1: you guys have maybe to where I've got comfortable with

1960
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 1: shooting him at some oud angles and stuff. I'm I'm

1961
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 1: old school. I'm kind of a a sissy about you know.

1962
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 1: I need them where I know that I have a

1963
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 1: straight path into the vitals without a massive bone structure

1964
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:06,560
Speaker 1: in the way. And uh, if I was going to

1965
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 1: shoot him like that a lot, I would definitely go

1966
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 1: up to that super heavy arrow and get as much

1967
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 1: kinetic energy and have it, you know, a good stout,

1968
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 1: built two blade cut on kept broadhead like he described that.

1969
01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 1: That's good sense right there. So we have kept you

1970
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 1: guys are quite a long time. So I think we

1971
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 1: gotta wrap this one up. Even though I know that

1972
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 1: both Andy and I have a lot more we would

1973
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:36,599
Speaker 1: love to talk about. But but maybe one last question

1974
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:39,679
Speaker 1: from both of us. Um, if you guys are okay

1975
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 1: with that, Um, yeah, I'll drop one here and then Andy,

1976
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:49,200
Speaker 1: I'll let you close this out. You both mentioned using

1977
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:51,599
Speaker 1: decoys in one way or another, but we haven't really

1978
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 1: gone into the details of it, and you hear a

1979
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:57,720
Speaker 1: lot about, you know, how effective decoys can be in

1980
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:01,200
Speaker 1: that open country environment, because it's it's all you know,

1981
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 1: it's a site game and in so many different ways

1982
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 1: in these open environments. So I just would be curious

1983
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: to hear from both of you on exactly how you

1984
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 1: how you would use one. I know that, uh Eddie,

1985
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you use one less than you used

1986
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 1: to that now you don't, but I still would like

1987
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 1: to hear you know, what the ideal decoy set up

1988
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 1: would be for you, you know how far away you

1989
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 1: put it, what angle you set it up at, when

1990
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:25,679
Speaker 1: you would use it, etcetera. And then on the flip side,

1991
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 1: when I get to you, Jared, UM, I know you

1992
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 1: started using one maybe like ten years ago, and you've

1993
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 1: been using these, you know, self made decoys that you

1994
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 1: walk up, you know, behind, and I'm curious how your

1995
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 1: use of them has evolved because we talked maybe five

1996
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 1: years ago on the podcast Last Time about it, and

1997
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:46,799
Speaker 1: you were talking about, you know, how you were figuring

1998
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 1: that out and getting aggressive with it and and kind

1999
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:52,640
Speaker 1: of the crazy, dicey nature of sneaking up on a

2000
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:54,840
Speaker 1: deer on the ground, holding a decoy out in front

2001
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 1: of you, and then getting these bucks to want to

2002
01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 1: come in right at you. UM So, when I get

2003
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 1: to you, what I'm most curious about is how your

2004
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:04,680
Speaker 1: use has changed over the past couple of years. Off

2005
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:07,639
Speaker 1: at all, But let's start with Eddie. Can you can

2006
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 1: you run me through your decoy set up when you

2007
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:14,719
Speaker 1: do use one and best practices. Well, you finally penned

2008
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 1: me in a corner. I may disappoint you with this one,

2009
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 1: but I can't help it. I gotta tell the truth. Honestly,

2010
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:23,479
Speaker 1: I don't really feel qualified to really give out advice

2011
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 1: on d CON because I don't feel like I know

2012
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:30,240
Speaker 1: enough about it. Um. I would be at infancy stages there,

2013
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:33,720
Speaker 1: so I probably need advice instead of giving it. UM.

2014
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 1: My my experience with it out in the open country,

2015
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 1: it's absolutely there's times when it is performed miracles, and

2016
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 1: I have never done it enough to refine down my

2017
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 1: opinion on what is the best way to do it.

2018
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 1: I have stuck up a dough decoy before by itself.

2019
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:55,840
Speaker 1: I like it high. I don't want it better. I

2020
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 1: want them up for like if I crack horns one

2021
01:44:58,160 --> 01:44:59,600
Speaker 1: a quarter mile away, I want to be able to

2022
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 1: turn and can see a deer over there, you know.

2023
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 1: And I've used small bucks, and I've used the two together.

2024
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 1: I've had all kinds of reactions, everything from eight to

2025
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:11,920
Speaker 1: is the I've had those get really seriously. I rate

2026
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 1: it though, decoys and spitting, hiss and kick and run

2027
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 1: off and you know. And I've had bucks, young bucks

2028
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 1: come into them, real good old bucks come in. I've

2029
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 1: had them. I've had you know, bucks that literally seen

2030
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:30,440
Speaker 1: repulse by another buck decoy. They're timid, some bucks have personality.

2031
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 1: Some of them are extremely aggressive, even when they're young.

2032
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 1: I've seen young bucks that went around trying to run

2033
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:39,320
Speaker 1: everybody in the whole place off. And I've seen old

2034
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 1: bucks that wouldn't fight for nothing, and anybody that wanted

2035
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:44,240
Speaker 1: to mess with them, they just turned and got away

2036
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 1: from them. So I think a lot of it more

2037
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 1: has to do with the the deer and the scenario

2038
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:51,679
Speaker 1: and the time of the day, you know, the time

2039
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:55,680
Speaker 1: of the uh season. As far as me telling you

2040
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 1: excellent der decoy set up and how to use it,

2041
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:01,679
Speaker 1: I got a reflect on that one. I just don't

2042
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:04,360
Speaker 1: feel like that's my wheel house, you know what I mean? Hey,

2043
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 1: that's that's fair enough. We appreciate that honesty. What what

2044
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 1: about you, Jared? You want to kind of update us

2045
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 1: on where you stand on the use of decoys while

2046
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 1: hunting on the ground and what what you're doing these days? Yeah,

2047
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, Um, as far as the decoy, I treat

2048
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 1: it kind of like we talked to earlier. It's it's

2049
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 1: it's a tool. It's it's not gonna um it's not

2050
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 1: gonna be something I go to every time. In fact,

2051
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 1: I go to it less now than I I used to.

2052
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 1: You know, Um, what you were talking about there is

2053
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 1: how we were using a lot of that decoy you know,

2054
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:44,559
Speaker 1: in the early years. That was ten years ago, Yeah,

2055
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:47,200
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, ten years ago when we uh

2056
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:49,439
Speaker 1: and we kind of developed that one or built that

2057
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 1: that homemade one. I wouldn't manufacture them because there's some

2058
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 1: dangerous in fault here with it, but a couple um.

2059
01:46:57,120 --> 01:47:00,760
Speaker 1: But anyways, Uh, my ideal situation. If I got a

2060
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 1: big buck he's locked down with a dough, if I

2061
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 1: can't sneak in on him and close that that that distance. Um,

2062
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,759
Speaker 1: to make that shot. A great way is to crawl

2063
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 1: in there with that decoy without him knowing, and then

2064
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 1: when he's looking the other way, you gotta break that

2065
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:24,439
Speaker 1: perimeter zone though, And that's a very fine line. Like. Um,

2066
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:28,439
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is there's a certain point

2067
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:32,479
Speaker 1: where another buck gets close enough to this mature buck

2068
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 1: and his dough that he's gonna run a run that

2069
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 1: other buck off. And every deer has its own threshold,

2070
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:41,639
Speaker 1: just like Eddie was saying. They all have their own

2071
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:45,719
Speaker 1: attitude and personalities. And some I could pop that decoy

2072
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 1: up at sixty yards and they'll come, they'll leave their

2073
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 1: dough to come over and cause you know, run me off. Um,

2074
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 1: And I'll be right behind that decoy if that's what

2075
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna gonna do that. But other bucks, uh, you

2076
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:04,640
Speaker 1: might need to get the thirty forty yards. Well, for

2077
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:08,719
Speaker 1: a lot of compound shooters, you're in range there. Um.

2078
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 1: For me, that's kind of pushing it on where I

2079
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:17,560
Speaker 1: feel comfortable shooting longboat wise. Um, So that's how I

2080
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,080
Speaker 1: like to use it. Now. Chance he's been using it

2081
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 1: a lot when he calls, so he'll go into places

2082
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, um to do rattle sets. He loves to

2083
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:30,880
Speaker 1: do that, you know, late pre rut, pre rut, late

2084
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 1: pre rut and then post rut. He loves to do that.

2085
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 1: And he loves to set that decoy in a spot

2086
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 1: that's kind of tucked into where if they come in,

2087
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 1: they'll they'll catch it, but it's kind of blended in,

2088
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 1: you know. And and he loves doing that because it

2089
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,200
Speaker 1: gives that dear. I mean, we're set up on the ground.

2090
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 1: We're very um, not concealed. I guess you would call it.

2091
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 1: And uh, you know that the camera is pretty big

2092
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:57,760
Speaker 1: that we use. So you've got two guys, they're set

2093
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:00,240
Speaker 1: up on the ground. So Chance he really likes, you know,

2094
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:02,640
Speaker 1: if you're a solo hunter. I think Eddie brought up

2095
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:06,679
Speaker 1: some great points about how you know, it's worked magic

2096
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 1: and it's also drawn a lot of attention in a

2097
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:13,599
Speaker 1: negative way to so um. But as people can see

2098
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:16,760
Speaker 1: or have seen in the videos, he he does it

2099
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:20,080
Speaker 1: for calling a lot and has had some pretty good

2100
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:24,479
Speaker 1: success doing that. Um. But yeah, that's kind of where

2101
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 1: I said, you just gotta be careful if you're gonna

2102
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 1: set up behind that decoy like what I'm talking about, Um,

2103
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:34,720
Speaker 1: you gotta be looking for other hunters. Uh, you don't

2104
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 1: want to get shot. And that's kind of a dangerous.

2105
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:43,799
Speaker 1: So I don't really advocate it too much. Um, And

2106
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:46,240
Speaker 1: you definitely don't want to use one during guns season

2107
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:51,960
Speaker 1: obviously you're already hunting public lands. And and uh, I've

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01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,479
Speaker 1: already heard one horror story where it could have been

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01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:57,920
Speaker 1: a lot worse. But you know, it was during the

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01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:02,360
Speaker 1: bow season. But some young fellas that have been drinking

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01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 1: or something and uh fired a gun, thought it was

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01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:09,080
Speaker 1: a big buck and uh, luckily they missed. It wasn't me,

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01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:11,000
Speaker 1: but it was somebody that I ran into in the

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01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:14,639
Speaker 1: can planes of Kansas. That could have been a bad deal.

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01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:17,880
Speaker 1: So I always if I see a vehicle coming up

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01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 1: the road and I got the decoy out and the

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01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 1: big if I can do this, I'll pull that decoy down.

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01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 1: I don't even want that other guy to know him

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Speaker 1: what's going on. Or Yeah, I mean that's just kind

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01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 1: of how I am anyway. But you know, and and

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01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:34,120
Speaker 1: then too, it's it's a it's a rush when you've

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01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 1: got a big buck inside of ten yards coming to

2123
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:39,000
Speaker 1: charge you, it's a rush, but don't kid yourself, there's

2124
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 1: nothing safe about that. Yeah, So a couple of things

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01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 1: to think about. I think it's if we're gonna talk

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01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 1: about that kind of decoy and it's wise to just,

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01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, understand, think about things in that in those

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01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:59,439
Speaker 1: two departments. Yeah, yeah, very very important. Thank you for

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01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:02,719
Speaker 1: for bringing it up for sure. Okay, So so there's

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01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 1: our decoying ideas, whether from a tree standard on the ground.

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01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:10,439
Speaker 1: Uh andy, how do you want to wrap things up here? Man?

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01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:13,759
Speaker 1: You know what these guys have, They've pretty much answered

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01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 1: everything that I had down. I just I guess I

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01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:19,200
Speaker 1: just want to end it with telling them thank you

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01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 1: for coming on. I really appreciate it. Two guys that

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01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:25,240
Speaker 1: I really admire, look up to, and uh I thought

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01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:28,240
Speaker 1: it was really cool to hear the two different perspectives

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01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:33,840
Speaker 1: from two guys that are beyond successful, consistently successful in

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01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:36,600
Speaker 1: this type of country. So just thanks again guys for

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01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 1: coming on. Yeah, thank you guys for having us. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think I've absolutely, like, absolutely thank you much. I'm

2142
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:50,080
Speaker 1: glad to be in the brotherhood. It's a great group. Well,

2143
01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 1: right back at you, guys, I I'll second what Andy said.

2144
01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:55,080
Speaker 1: This has been a lot of fun. I know we

2145
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:58,120
Speaker 1: all learned something and everyone listening for sure too. And

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01:51:58,120 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 1: the and the biggest thing is that now I am

2147
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:06,879
Speaker 1: just chomping at the bit ridiculously to schedule my own

2148
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:09,720
Speaker 1: open country hunts this year and definitely make sure I'm

2149
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 1: back out there because uh man, just just thinking about

2150
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:15,640
Speaker 1: these scenarios and thinking about that swaying grass and the

2151
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:18,879
Speaker 1: big blue skies overhead and looking off in the distance

2152
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:21,680
Speaker 1: and seeing times coming through the grass, you just, uh

2153
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 1: it gets like the hair is standing up on my

2154
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 1: arms and I'm just ready to do it. So thank

2155
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 1: you guys for inspiring that feeling in me right now.

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01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:36,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely it is all right. Let's wrap this one up,

2157
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 1: and that's a wrap. I enjoy this a lot. I

2158
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 1: hope you did too. If you want more from these guys,

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01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:45,640
Speaker 1: I would suggest going and picking up a copy of

2160
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:48,840
Speaker 1: Peterson's Bohuni magazine where you can read some articles from Eddie,

2161
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:52,280
Speaker 1: or head on over and follow White Tail Adrenaline on

2162
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:54,720
Speaker 1: their Facebook page or check out their website where you

2163
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:57,760
Speaker 1: can pick up Jared's most recent DVDs. There are a

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01:52:57,840 --> 01:52:59,640
Speaker 1: lot of fun. You get to see some of the

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01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:01,880
Speaker 1: things you just talked about, and it's it's just as

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01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:04,519
Speaker 1: crazy as it sounds. So go out and support those

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01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:07,120
Speaker 1: guys and try adding some of this stuff to your

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01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:10,759
Speaker 1: repertoire um. Trying new things is one of my absolute

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01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:13,360
Speaker 1: favorite parts of deer hunting. I constantly want to learn more,

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01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 1: I constantly want to grow and evolve, and I think

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01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:19,160
Speaker 1: that there are ample opportunities for us to take some

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01:53:19,240 --> 01:53:22,760
Speaker 1: ideas here in our open country discussion and do just that.

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01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:25,719
Speaker 1: So thank you again for your attension, thanks for your time,

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Speaker 1: and until next time, stay wired. Tell h