Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Thank you for doing this. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Have we ever met, I've only well, I went to
Speaker 3: one of the Dancing with the Stars shows when you
Speaker 3: were there, but we never like officially met.
Speaker 2: When I was there for two weeks. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I loved watching you though, and I love Pasha so much.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: I wish I had known you before because then I
Speaker 1: could have gotten some tips on what to do.
Speaker 3: I just would have said, don't injure yourself. That was
Speaker 3: like my main focus was to stop getting injured all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 2: Did you get injured? I mean you won? So I
Speaker 2: worth the injuries or no?
Speaker 3: Worth the injuries? Yes, but like I'm still suffering years
Speaker 3: later from cracked ribs and like pulling a muscle that
Speaker 3: was under my ribs and my tendonitis will fly every
Speaker 3: time I wear heels now I'm still but I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'll do it again.
Speaker 1: That is so crazy, And those are things they do
Speaker 1: not tell you when they're like you should sign on
Speaker 1: and like you can do as much training as you want,
Speaker 1: as little training as you want, you know, whatever makes
Speaker 1: you comfortable.
Speaker 3: Well, it's crazy because one of my girlfriends had won
Speaker 3: it from the season before, and I was like, why
Speaker 3: did you not prepare me? And she was like, I
Speaker 3: don't think people should prepare them because then they won't
Speaker 3: do it. Because the amount she just sent me like
Speaker 3: a foot massage bath thing that I just like would
Speaker 3: soak my feet in. But she's like, it's so worth it,
Speaker 3: but like it would be scary to know how much
Speaker 3: work and like injury you go through to get to
Speaker 3: the end, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 2: To get to the end.
Speaker 1: I was voted off first, and I had pulled out
Speaker 1: my shoulder already and no one knew.
Speaker 2: God, oh my god. It was like.
Speaker 3: I don't know you were voted out first.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Oh it was a double elimination, like no one was
Speaker 1: eliminated the first week, second week double elimination.
Speaker 2: That boom, I know. And I was having so much fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. I mean, it's so nice when you
Speaker 3: have like a good partner and you guys have like
Speaker 3: a good, good chemistry and a good bond, and it's
Speaker 3: the live tapings are so much fun. I'm like so
Speaker 3: jealous because mine was during COVID, so we didn't have
Speaker 3: a live audience, and I'm like what does that feel like?
Speaker 3: The like energy in the room from the audience.
Speaker 2: Sister, I would have loved that live audience. I don't know.
Speaker 1: There is something about the performance and having people there
Speaker 1: cheering you on. But it was, oh my gosh, it
Speaker 1: was so scary. Yeah, yeah, I think I would have
Speaker 1: been Did the nerves ever go away? Or you didn't
Speaker 1: have nerves?
Speaker 3: No, I definitely had nerves. I just I feel like
Speaker 3: I would have had ten times more nerves if there
Speaker 3: was a crowd and they're watching, or like if my
Speaker 3: friends and family could be in there watching. But for
Speaker 3: some reason, knowing that, like however many are watching at home,
Speaker 3: like didn't phase me as much. I'm like, I got
Speaker 3: some people right there like watching. But I do think
Speaker 3: I perform better under pressure, and like the more nervous
Speaker 3: I get, the better I perform because I grew up dancing.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, it felt like I felt like something
Speaker 3: was missing with.
Speaker 2: The energy, right, I understand.
Speaker 1: I understand that by the way I got to say
Speaker 1: at being in the entertainment industry and being an actress
Speaker 1: and having no training, and I think it's very unfair
Speaker 1: the people have different levels.
Speaker 2: Like I agree, you know what, I mean.
Speaker 1: Like professional dancers, athletes. It's just a different mindset. I think,
Speaker 1: especially like Olympians.
Speaker 2: It's like uh okay.
Speaker 1: Oh, and I also Bachelor's Bachelorettes. You guys are all
Speaker 1: on fire.
Speaker 2: I don't know what.
Speaker 3: There's the Bachelor Nation, like fans are really loyal. I
Speaker 3: will say that I definitely feel like well with my
Speaker 3: dance background, training like that had to have helped me
Speaker 3: in some capac right. And then I feel like this
Speaker 3: season there's so many TikTok dancers and like the two
Speaker 3: girls from the Mormons show, I feel like all people
Speaker 3: from you talk and dance better than anyone I've ever met.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 3: I don't know. They're all talented and good looking and
Speaker 3: like nice. It's bizarre.
Speaker 2: They look like they have perfect lives, don't.
Speaker 3: They perfect lives of the Mormon wives?
Speaker 2: Right, And they're all virgins. Maybe that's something.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the glow. They're all virgins. They got to
Speaker 1: get it out somehow. Yeah, exactly, Oh my gosh, this
Speaker 1: is true. Yeah, this season, I don't know. I'm there's
Speaker 1: a lot of Are there any like big actors like
Speaker 1: Academy Award?
Speaker 3: When do they announce? I think they announced the cast
Speaker 3: tomorrow morning. Yep, Oh, that's exciting. Yeah, because all I
Speaker 3: know right now is Alex Earl, the Two Right Mormon Wives.
Speaker 3: And there's one actor guy that I saw. Think he's
Speaker 3: an actor, but I don't remember his name.
Speaker 2: Zach Efron's brother Dylan Efron's on it right or is
Speaker 2: he alleged?
Speaker 3: Alleged? But I feel like that is.
Speaker 1: Yes, they keep talking about Corey Feldman. Oh really, I
Speaker 1: want to see that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm there for that.
Speaker 3: I for the cast announcement.
Speaker 2: I'm Tony. Is that his name? The singer?
Speaker 3: Oh, maybe that's who I saw? Is he blonde?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that's.
Speaker 2: Probably hatcheting his name, but yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to say his name either. But
Speaker 3: I feel like I always get so excited for the
Speaker 3: cast announcement because I've been watching the show since I
Speaker 3: was oh gosh, since it came on with my mom
Speaker 3: and so like it was so surreal being on it,
Speaker 3: but then also like just still watching now knowing behind
Speaker 3: the scenes, I've root for everybody so much harder because
Speaker 3: I'm like, I know how hard you're working.
Speaker 1: No, that's the thing. The audience will never know how
Speaker 1: crazy it is. It's intense. Are you still in touch
Speaker 1: with Ardam?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I just talked to him. How long, maybe like a
Speaker 3: couple months ago. I feel like we just you know,
Speaker 3: like when I was on the show, it was like
Speaker 3: we couldn't really bond because nobody could hang out outside
Speaker 3: of the season because of COVID's because if you had COVID,
Speaker 3: you were out of the competition. Oh my god. So
Speaker 3: I feel like me and Ardam's relationship was like so
Speaker 3: strictly dance and then we went on tour together and
Speaker 3: we finally got to like build a friendship. So then
Speaker 3: that was so nice. And so yeah, we we just
Speaker 3: every once in a while just kind of check in,
Speaker 3: how's it going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so crazy because I felt like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I wasn't on it that long obviously, but like Pasha
Speaker 1: became my like everything. Yeah, it was like we were
Speaker 1: in a relationship and not in a relationship.
Speaker 3: I totally get that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, does everyone feel that way? Like, and
Speaker 1: then once you're off, like you keep in touch, like
Speaker 1: we're still friends. I'm still friends with Pasha and Danielle.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's like all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, where's the late night text?
Speaker 2: Like not in a weird way, but like no, same,
Speaker 2: I totally get like.
Speaker 1: And I was fine not like dating during that time,
Speaker 1: Oh you were so yeah, he like replaced that everything
Speaker 1: I had, like professional, I had someone there that was
Speaker 1: caring for me, nurturing.
Speaker 2: It was like I had it all. I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't need sad.
Speaker 3: They really do take on a lot as the pros, Like,
Speaker 3: they really do take on a lot mentally, professionally, like
Speaker 3: emotionally with because by the end, like Hardam would get
Speaker 3: so mad at me, He's like, you can't cry every
Speaker 3: time we talk. This was so tired, and I was
Speaker 3: like I was like ready to be done with him
Speaker 3: by the end. And then after like two days, I
Speaker 3: was like, wait.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I was just about to ask where
Speaker 2: your mirror ball is?
Speaker 1: But it's right behind you always, always, always, and.
Speaker 2: Your finger goes right up to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm very proud of that thing.
Speaker 2: So I binge watched are you my first? Did I did?
Speaker 3: What did you think?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so good weight. So this is
Speaker 2: the tough thing.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of old schools, so I really enjoy Like
Speaker 1: back when We used to wait a week to see
Speaker 1: like what would happened, and now everything on streamers. You know,
Speaker 1: it's on Hulu. Everything's released. Came out on August eighteenth,
Speaker 1: so I could just watch the whole season, which I
Speaker 1: don't know what I like better, the Weight or just
Speaker 1: being like I can't stop watching it.
Speaker 3: I was thinking the same thing because when they said
Speaker 3: all ten episodes were coming out, I was like, am
Speaker 3: I sad about that? Or am I excited about that?
Speaker 3: Because I do as well love the Weight so hate
Speaker 3: the Weight. It is like a love hate relationship, and
Speaker 3: so I love Binginga's show. But I was like, I
Speaker 3: wish we would have put out two and then waited
Speaker 3: a bit and then put out like the other seven
Speaker 3: and then done the like finale and then have done
Speaker 3: a reunion or something. But I never know the behind
Speaker 3: the scenes of the whys. I'm just like, just tell
Speaker 3: me where to go and I'll be there and I'll
Speaker 3: do my job really well. But like, I don't know
Speaker 3: how these the business minds think behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: I think there are no business minds anymore. It's the
Speaker 1: creatives are taking over. So Caitlin brist I think you
Speaker 1: could run a network.
Speaker 2: You should run.
Speaker 1: Hulu, because I think that's the way it should be done.
Speaker 1: You get just enough and then you're like, sorry, you
Speaker 1: got to wait a beat? Yeah, because I mean not
Speaker 1: wait a long beat, like waiting for Wednesday to come out.
Speaker 2: Season two for like what three four years? Didn't do
Speaker 2: it for me?
Speaker 3: That's fair. You know what season I'm waiting for? What
Speaker 3: is this show called? Did you get into Severance?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: I know, I hear. It's fabulous.
Speaker 3: It's I didn't think I would get into it. I
Speaker 3: watched the first four episodes and I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't think this is for me. And then on episode
Speaker 3: five it was when I was like, I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I feel like I would have keep trying, and then
Speaker 3: I was in. And now the fact that they waited
Speaker 3: like three years in between season one and two, and
Speaker 3: then I got to Binge season one and two, and
Speaker 3: now I'm waiting for season three and I'm like very
Speaker 3: excited about it. But yeah, I can't decide if I
Speaker 3: like the big people or the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I did start Severance, but I only did two.
Speaker 2: Episodes, so I got to stick it out to number five.
Speaker 3: Try again, Yeah, try again, because that's it. First few episodes,
Speaker 3: I was like, not the same for me, but I
Speaker 3: really battled through.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, So are you the first? You filmed
Speaker 1: in Costa Rica?
Speaker 3: Yes, which is so funny because we were like calling
Speaker 3: it an island and it's not, but we're just going
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 2: Wait it's not. What is it a jungle?
Speaker 3: I think?
Speaker 2: So it looked like an island. Google.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it looked like an island, but we
Speaker 3: wanted it. I think we originally really wanted the show
Speaker 3: to be like Virgin Island because it's from the producers
Speaker 3: of Love Island, but then they went with the name
Speaker 3: are You My First? But yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 3: just so fun to be there and be a part
Speaker 3: of that show because you know, like usually people on
Speaker 3: The Bachelor or The Bachelorette or these other dating shows,
Speaker 3: like they're all very advanced in their dating life. They're like,
Speaker 3: you know, on their third love stories or they've like
Speaker 3: fully made out before. But these people are all on
Speaker 3: their first for like some people are having their first kiss,
Speaker 3: some people were having their first date. It's their first
Speaker 3: time on TV, and so everything about it was just
Speaker 3: so like pure and awkward and dramatic and sweet. It's
Speaker 3: like everything mixed into one that you'd want in a
Speaker 3: dating show.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I found that we are we allowed to say it,
Speaker 1: but are Michael and Rachel still together?
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm allowed to say, because I'm
Speaker 3: still waiting to hear if we're going to do a reunion?
Speaker 3: Oh oh, I'm also I'm having Rachel on my podcast
Speaker 3: I think in like three days.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you'll let me know.
Speaker 3: I'll let you know. I've heard mixed things, and I've
Speaker 3: also I've just heard mixed things in general about the cast,
Speaker 3: like I know some of them are mad at each other,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what is happening? I need all the tea,
Speaker 3: So I'm going to get it, hopefully for my podcast,
Speaker 3: and then I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: Okay, perfect.
Speaker 1: Wait, So I did a dating show where I hosted
Speaker 1: as well, and it tell me about the experience. How
Speaker 1: long were you actually there in Costa Rica?
Speaker 3: It was about six weeks?
Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah? And were you always on call?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Because what would happen and they'd be like, hurry, get
Speaker 1: down here, something's happening exactly.
Speaker 3: Yes, always on call, especially like Colton, and I really
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that the cast knew that we
Speaker 3: were also like there for them as tours and friends,
Speaker 3: and we're not just like these hosts that like are
Speaker 3: having a producer edit, you know, like we're not in
Speaker 3: with the We're really genuinely there for them and helping
Speaker 3: them guide them along this journey. So we were like
Speaker 3: telling them you can call us in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night. I'll show up with like no glamor on
Speaker 3: in front of the camera. I don't care, Like, whatever
Speaker 3: you need, We're here for you. But so there's that
Speaker 3: only happened once where Rachel pulled me aside to have
Speaker 3: a conversation, but we were also just always on call
Speaker 3: because as you know, things can always change and happen,
Speaker 3: and it's like we're filming seventeen hours of the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's literally like in our world there's like turnaround
Speaker 1: times where you have to like have time to go
Speaker 1: home and go to sleep, and that does not exist
Speaker 1: when you're filming a show.
Speaker 2: Like this, a dating competition. It's like twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. I mean we I we had
Speaker 3: it pretty easy, I will say, because I mean we
Speaker 3: we worked so hard, but I'm like, this is a
Speaker 3: dream job because we got I think because I'd been
Speaker 3: on the other end of reality TV where I've been
Speaker 3: a contestant, and I know how stressful that is. Like
Speaker 3: the show is not about me and Colton, It's about
Speaker 3: the virgins. So we're like we get to come in
Speaker 3: and just like say what we need to say and
Speaker 3: be there for them. But then we get to go
Speaker 3: like eat fish tacos and hang out on the beach
Speaker 3: and wait for the next round of you know, glam
Speaker 3: and wardrobe and being on camera. But it was like
Speaker 3: really really fun. It was a really fun experience compared
Speaker 3: to being a contestant.
Speaker 2: I imagine. So how hot was it?
Speaker 3: Oh? It was. It was dream storm season as well,
Speaker 3: so it was like so human And then we had
Speaker 3: to hold so many times for rain and storms, and
Speaker 3: it was like like flooding where the crew would go
Speaker 3: to eat and set up flood almost every day and
Speaker 3: we'd have to like wait it out and it was
Speaker 3: like one of the camera crew tents and cameras. Luckily
Speaker 3: nobody got hurt, but they got struck by lightning and
Speaker 3: so the cameras were all down for like, oh my god, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was crazy.
Speaker 1: I just kept focusing in on your hair and makeup
Speaker 1: because having been on that side of it hosting, like
Speaker 1: I couldn't keep my hair. It was like frizzing, but
Speaker 1: your hair looked immaculate the whole time.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you pissed at you know, every we
Speaker 3: would like do our or what we needed to do,
Speaker 3: and then I'd run into a room with ac and
Speaker 3: I'd have all fans like blowing on me, and I
Speaker 3: was dripping like down my chest, in my back like
Speaker 3: I had butt sweat the whole time. I usually look
Speaker 3: like a drown rat in heat, like I'm I don't
Speaker 3: look cute. I always said, like if I went on
Speaker 3: Bachelor in Paradise, people will be like ough, like I'm
Speaker 3: not cute in the heat, and I was just I
Speaker 3: would always have people with fans near me or doing
Speaker 3: something to keep me looking. But my glam makeup artists
Speaker 3: and hair artists did such a good job with helping
Speaker 3: me stay dry.
Speaker 1: Now you looked great, Hey you. I hope there's a
Speaker 1: season two. I'm very excited.
Speaker 3: I really hope so too. I feel like it would
Speaker 3: be I mean, we have Colton and I have a
Speaker 3: virgin sliding into our dms being like take us for
Speaker 3: season two, and it's just so funny because I think
Speaker 3: they really saw that. You know, there's jokes to be made.
Speaker 3: There's they're virgins and we're making virgin puns and we're
Speaker 3: narrating a funny show. But it's also like really sweet
Speaker 3: and people are on this self discovery journey where like
Speaker 3: from them from the beginning to them at the end
Speaker 3: are a complete different person And I love that part
Speaker 3: of it. And so for season two, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 3: so into that, as long as we have a lie
Speaker 3: detector test at the beginning, because how do you vet
Speaker 3: for if they are virgins or not?
Speaker 2: We don't know, that's right, lie detector test.
Speaker 3: You're right, I should be running Hulu. Absolutely, yeah, I
Speaker 3: think that would be really funny.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, did you think it was fair that
Speaker 1: a bachelor was on?
Speaker 3: I always I actually wonder if that helped or hurt
Speaker 3: him because he came in, like I feel like everybody
Speaker 3: almost looked up to him as a big brother, like
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, he's done this before, he's a bit older.
Speaker 3: He's telling us like, well, this might happen, and this
Speaker 3: might happen at this time, Like everyone kind of looked
Speaker 3: up to him instead of like he didn't feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, one of them. He felt a little more experienced,
Speaker 3: and I think they almost looked up to him like
Speaker 3: a big brother instead of a romantic connection.
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, I didn't find anything sexy about him.
Speaker 2: Is that bad to say?
Speaker 1: No, that's I love on, I will drink of water,
Speaker 1: beautiful eyes, kind of kind of funny, said all the
Speaker 1: right things, and I just felt like, no, well, it's.
Speaker 3: Sexuality because I feel like there's a lot of like
Speaker 3: destigmatizing virgins in this where I'm like, Rachel is sexy,
Speaker 3: like there are sex absolutely, we're no, And Mike really does,
Speaker 3: I think because I had hosted his season of that
Speaker 3: Bachelorette season as well, so I feel like I also
Speaker 3: get like brother vibes from him because I was I
Speaker 3: felt like I was looking out for him on Katie's season.
Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe he just like needs to put out
Speaker 3: a little more of a sex appeal vibe. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I hear you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, or maybe he's just say sexual he doesn't know.
Speaker 3: You never know. There's a I'm telling you this self
Speaker 3: discovery journey from that show. I we need a reunion
Speaker 3: for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: And I was fascinating when they were like, it's not
Speaker 1: a cult, but is it a cult? And I was like,
Speaker 1: that's so fucking cool.
Speaker 3: It's like, well I again, like you come into a reality.
Speaker 3: Oh and I feel like if you watch Bachelor Bachelorette,
Speaker 3: the virginity talk is always like you save it for
Speaker 3: a one on one date and it's this big announcement
Speaker 3: and everybody's shocked and it changes like somebody's perspective and
Speaker 3: they think, oh, this is a really big responsibility. Am
Speaker 3: I going to be there first? Are they going to
Speaker 3: like fall in love with me? Because they've never done
Speaker 3: it before? Like this is a really big thing where
Speaker 3: everybody came into are you my first? On the same
Speaker 3: like same common ground, you know, right, Like they like
Speaker 3: almost did feel like this immediate bond with one another
Speaker 3: that they're like, yeah, we're we're all virgins.
Speaker 2: Is that they like Gang's not like the Spock.
Speaker 3: Super virgin, But yees.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cute.
Speaker 2: Do you still believe in love?
Speaker 3: Oh? Great question? My immediate response wanted to be no,
Speaker 3: I understand that. I just I feel like so many
Speaker 3: of people I mean, so many people I know have
Speaker 3: been through heartbreak, but the people I surround myself with
Speaker 3: I look around. I was just actually with some of
Speaker 3: my best friends yesterday and they all have such healthy
Speaker 3: versions of love that I get to look up to.
Speaker 3: And I actually thought about it yesterday watching my best
Speaker 3: friend Kat and her husband Worth, and they have two kids,
Speaker 3: and they just they do it with so much ease,
Speaker 3: but they're also very honest about their tough times. I
Speaker 3: always think about being from a small town where I
Speaker 3: grew up. I feel like I had the smallest circle.
Speaker 3: I had really great parents. Even though my parents divorced,
Speaker 3: I feel like they still had healthy love and they
Speaker 3: gave healthy love. And as much as the divorce still
Speaker 3: affected me, like I just feel lucky for how I
Speaker 3: was raised. And then moving to you know, the La
Speaker 3: to be on the Bachelor and then the Bachelorette, and
Speaker 3: my bubble was a bit burst with not trusting people,
Speaker 3: Like I went in with so much trust, and I
Speaker 3: went in just thinking like producers would never screw me over.
Speaker 3: They're not just trying to make TV. They really want
Speaker 3: me to find love. Like I was so nice everything
Speaker 3: that I feel like my bubble got burst, and then
Speaker 3: I got engaged, and then that engagement didn't work out,
Speaker 3: and then I feel like he kind of bamboozled me.
Speaker 3: And then the second engagement, I was like, wait, that
Speaker 3: is the complete different person than who I thought I met,
Speaker 3: And then I got so jaded. But again, I've just
Speaker 3: found such a good core group of friends and people
Speaker 3: that I surround myself with. And all of my best
Speaker 3: friends are married with kids, and I look up to
Speaker 3: them so much because they do make me believe in love.
Speaker 3: And I just feel like my parents found their healthiest
Speaker 3: love in their remarriages when they were like in their fifties,
Speaker 3: and I just feel like it's never it's never too late.
Speaker 3: It's just I am a bit jaded because I have
Speaker 3: trust issues.
Speaker 2: I understand. How old were you when your parents got divorced.
Speaker 3: I was eight almost eighteen, so okay a bit later.
Speaker 3: And they always like we had I always tell people this,
Speaker 3: We had feelings meetings growing up as families, so like
Speaker 3: if my parents got in an argument, we would like
Speaker 3: all sit down as a family and talk about our
Speaker 3: feelings and why it happened and like what they could
Speaker 3: have done better. Like we were really open about all
Speaker 3: things in our family, which I think helped a lot.
Speaker 1: Same I'm yeah, growing up, it was not like that
Speaker 1: in my family, so I made a conscious effort to
Speaker 1: do that with my kids. Yes, I think perhaps I've
Speaker 1: told them too much or done too many feelings, but
Speaker 1: I don't think that's possible, I said, no one ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I think that's really important. I feel like
Speaker 3: I would want to be the same way if I
Speaker 3: ever have children, I would want to be the same
Speaker 3: way because I think that really allows them to feel
Speaker 3: safe as well to talk about feelings. And like, I've
Speaker 3: always felt like such an open book with I mean strangers,
Speaker 3: all all open up to them. And when I went
Speaker 3: on TV, I got absolutely destroyed online because I didn't
Speaker 3: understand that not everybody is so open about every detail
Speaker 3: in their life. And I got really like slutshamed for
Speaker 3: talking about sex. And I was like, wait, what, Because
Speaker 3: I've just always been very open.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I love about you, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm like that too.
Speaker 2: But do you feel like you're very polarizing? Yes?
Speaker 3: I really, which is just so funny because I would
Speaker 3: have never in my life thought that until I went
Speaker 3: on TV.
Speaker 1: And that's funny it's the word we grow up thinking
Speaker 1: has a negative connotation, except when it's said about you.
Speaker 3: You're like, well, I was like, I guess I could
Speaker 3: see that. I'm also a Gemini, So like, yes, are.
Speaker 2: You a Gemini? When's your birthday?
Speaker 3: June nineteenth?
Speaker 2: Okay, my daughter's June ninth.
Speaker 3: Yes, Gemini, And but a lot of cancer in my chart.
Speaker 3: I'm a very sensitive, spicy lady.
Speaker 2: That's a good balance.
Speaker 3: It's a good balance. It's a lot, but it's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I think you being authentic just paved the
Speaker 1: way for everybody.
Speaker 2: I mean, you changed reality TV.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 3: That's like one of the nicest things anyone could ever
Speaker 3: say to me, just because I have realized from going
Speaker 3: on reality television how much I crave authenticity in people,
Speaker 3: and how again I had never surrounded myself with anyone
Speaker 3: other than my little Canadian small town friends. So going
Speaker 3: into the big city of LA and getting into that
Speaker 3: world of TV and I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: it like broke my spirit a little bit to see
Speaker 3: how many fake people there were.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, you're the filly that can never be broken.
Speaker 2: Be proud of that. I will think that's why you
Speaker 2: still have a beam of light.
Speaker 3: Oh thank god. I remember Reagan Fox talking about how
Speaker 3: people took away her sparkle and I was like, I
Speaker 3: hate that for her. I don't want anybody to use
Speaker 3: their little sparkle that they have.
Speaker 2: I know it happens, though, it of course does.
Speaker 3: I mean I can see why. And the Internet is
Speaker 3: even worse. It's the worst it's ever been with bullying.
Speaker 3: And it's awful out there.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Where in Canada are you from exactly?
Speaker 3: So, it's called La Duke. It's just outside of Edmonton
Speaker 3: and Alberta. And then I moved to Vancouver. I had
Speaker 3: a dance scholarship, so I got to go to Vancouver
Speaker 3: and dance out there. I've met a few kitty Canadians.
Speaker 3: I will say that.
Speaker 2: It's a good bunch out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you on dating apps?
Speaker 3: I've never been on a dating app, and I feel
Speaker 3: like I really did miss out on a little era
Speaker 3: there because I one of my best friends is married
Speaker 3: to her first Tinder swipe. Really yeah, and that's how
Speaker 3: my mom and my stepdad met was on well they
Speaker 3: will never admit this, but it was on seniors dot com.
Speaker 3: Because if you were like over fifty, it's considered like
Speaker 3: seniors dot com and that's where they met.
Speaker 1: So id seniors dot com. Because I'm fifty two, I
Speaker 1: don't I can't fight.
Speaker 2: I have to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look amazing. I honestly, I just turned forty and
Speaker 3: I am like not phased at all about that. I
Speaker 3: feel like forties are so exciting, and then I feel
Speaker 3: like everybody. I think it's because we grew up with
Speaker 3: a generation where our parents at fifty they just didn't
Speaker 3: seem they seemed older than that, you know, so now
Speaker 3: we realize, oh my gosh, it's all about our energy,
Speaker 3: our like spirit and how we feel rather than ages.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I never still hurt a little bit.
Speaker 3: I will always understand that. I've I totally talked myself
Speaker 3: into loving forty before I was forty. So then I
Speaker 3: got there and I was like, yes, I love it.
Speaker 3: I've already convinced myself. But yeah, I've never I never
Speaker 3: got to do the dating OUTSI I've just watched friends
Speaker 3: do it and it always seems so fun. But they
Speaker 3: scare me. They scare me a little bit.
Speaker 2: They're terrifying.
Speaker 1: And I was married for eighteen years, together for twenty
Speaker 1: so I missed that as well. I would be with
Speaker 1: my friends and be like, let me swipe for you.
Speaker 2: This is so fun. I'm never going to get to
Speaker 2: do this.
Speaker 1: And now I'm single again at fifty two with five kids,
Speaker 1: and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, it's in your stock Holm.
Speaker 2: What's that senior Stockholm.
Speaker 3: I feel like there's some like genuine people on there.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like I want someone younger
Speaker 2: this time.
Speaker 3: Ah fair, Yeah, I feel like I want somebody older
Speaker 3: this time.
Speaker 2: How old would be the oldest you would date?
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, probably like late forties, I would say, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: Like I don't mind a ten year age gap. That
Speaker 3: doesn't That doesn't scare me.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that worries me. This is this is
Speaker 1: just a personal thing. But I want to see if
Speaker 1: you relate to this. I feel like a woman that's
Speaker 1: forty or a woman that's fifty and going into wanting
Speaker 1: a new relationship is fine, but never been that's fine.
Speaker 1: But like if a man is forty plus and has
Speaker 1: never been married, I feel like it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a different thing. And I don't know why it's
Speaker 1: like that. I don't but it's concerning and I don't
Speaker 1: know why.
Speaker 3: And I find like my dream is a what do
Speaker 3: they call him? A divorce? Like a divorce a man
Speaker 3: who's I always I always hear that people's second marriages
Speaker 3: are like they're happiest too, And so I'm like, if
Speaker 3: I like a man in his forties who's been divorced.
Speaker 2: Hot, okay with kids?
Speaker 3: Sure? I love kids. I hope to have my own.
Speaker 3: But again, I froze my eggs when I was thirty three,
Speaker 3: So I'm good girl.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really happy I did that, but I mean
Speaker 3: it's also not a guarantee. But you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 3: kind of dating right now. I always I feel weird
Speaker 3: saying it because I'm like, I'm trying to keep my
Speaker 3: dating life like private. Yeah, it's like, so I'm like,
Speaker 3: good luck, Yeah, it's it's it's tricky. I'm trying really hard.
Speaker 3: So I'm like sometimes I say things and I'm like
Speaker 3: that doesn't add up, But then it doesn't feel authentic
Speaker 3: because I'm like, am I being I douine right now?
Speaker 2: Wait? Okay, wait how many did they?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: How many eggs did they? Were they able to freeze
Speaker 2: when you were thirty.
Speaker 3: Three, so I got I think I got fourteen or thirteen.
Speaker 3: I think I got thirteen. And then they said anything
Speaker 3: over ten for my age at thirty three was good,
Speaker 3: So I was happy about that. But I don't know
Speaker 3: how many are like good eggs, Like, I won't know
Speaker 3: until they were fertilized and then you know, right because
Speaker 3: it wasn't IBF, it was just freezing my eggs.
Speaker 2: Do you ever go visit them? No?
Speaker 3: I just asked that that's actually funny to be babies.
Speaker 2: My guys check it in.
Speaker 3: I want to hear. It's my best friend, one of
Speaker 3: my best friends that I made friends with her on
Speaker 3: The Bachelor. Actually she's a fertility nurse. So she did
Speaker 3: it for me, and every time I visited, I was like,
Speaker 3: how am my eggs doing? I should go visit them?
Speaker 1: Wait, she did it for you, So are they like
Speaker 1: in her freezer? Yeah, just chilling in my in my freezer.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, really, what are you going to do
Speaker 3: with it? I don't know, Oh yeah, because I heard
Speaker 3: you can like make it into pills or do something.
Speaker 1: I know my last one, well he's eight now, so
Speaker 1: I don't know eight years. It's probably we did we
Speaker 1: took a little piece of it right afterwards.
Speaker 2: And my husband cooked it and you ate it, uh huh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they say that's like so full of nutrients. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that do breast milk right now is like being sold
Speaker 3: on the black market for like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's crazy, Like that's the range is
Speaker 1: the gold bodily fluids?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What's next?
Speaker 3: I don't know, and I don't know.
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 3: You never know what's coming next. Like not being phases
Speaker 3: me at this point in my life, like after COVID
Speaker 3: and just so much like everything weird happening and like
Speaker 3: people talking about aliens Like I'm like, nothing will phase
Speaker 3: me ever again, Like there the tree could start talking
Speaker 3: to me outside and I'd be like, sure, it's twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five.
Speaker 2: Do red roses phase you? No?
Speaker 3: I love you?
Speaker 2: Hate them? You love them?
Speaker 3: I love them. I feel like I went through a
Speaker 3: phase maybe a while back where I was like no,
Speaker 3: but then I realized that that was like the most
Speaker 3: pivotal point in my life for like living a true
Speaker 3: like dream of mine, And so I now have a
Speaker 3: rose tattooed on me because I'm like, no, I want
Speaker 3: it to be positive.
Speaker 2: Oh I love that where's your rose tattoo?
Speaker 3: It's on on my arm right here.
Speaker 2: M yeah, there's your beebe peebe Hi.
Speaker 3: You know she looks so gray right now. He's like
Speaker 3: just starting to go great.
Speaker 1: He's he's probably like sick.
Speaker 3: I rescued both of them, so I actually don't know
Speaker 3: how old they are, but I feel like he's probably six.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I can't wait till they can clone dogs.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I I don't care about but dogs like, oh no, no,
Speaker 2: we don't get enough time with them.
Speaker 3: I'm the same. And I heard that they're coming out
Speaker 3: with a pill in twenty twenty six that helps dogs
Speaker 3: live longer.
Speaker 2: I'm there for that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, take my money.
Speaker 1: Isn't that Yes, Like there's so many things medically we
Speaker 1: won't do for ourselves, but our animals are hurt and
Speaker 1: you take them somewhere and they're like it's going to
Speaker 1: be twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: And you're like, yeah, it's my blood, take everything.
Speaker 3: Do it. Monts of dogs about it, and I'm like, Hayley,
Speaker 3: they are so expensive, and she's like, you know, a
Speaker 3: single mom working jobs and doing just her absolute best.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, dogs are expensive, but they're also the
Speaker 3: best thing that has ever happened to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have followed my instinct at six to
Speaker 1: be a VET because I'd be really wealthy now and
Speaker 1: my life wouldn't be inconsistent.
Speaker 3: But then you wouldn't be You're like such an icon
Speaker 3: and such a legend, and I feel like you were
Speaker 3: meant for that path. But also I could never handle
Speaker 3: the heartbreak of being a vett. Think of how many
Speaker 3: heartbreaks you have to experience.
Speaker 2: I know, and I always ask them that too.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, Like behind the scenes when
Speaker 1: you're there, you're like, is this just it's the same
Speaker 1: thing doctors often say, you know, in hospitals with children
Speaker 1: and people.
Speaker 3: It's just constant.
Speaker 1: You have to like stop taking it home. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: do you take on people's energy.
Speaker 3: It's so much that it like frustrates me that I
Speaker 3: actually find myself becoming so much more of an introvert
Speaker 3: now than I ever have been, because I didn't realize
Speaker 3: how much I do that until I started getting I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty spiritual, and so I started really paying attention
Speaker 3: to certain things, and I just I really do and
Speaker 3: sometimes I won't even realize it, and I'll be in
Speaker 3: the same room as somebody and like I'll like all
Speaker 3: feel them, like feeling sick, Like I'll feel that. It's scary.
Speaker 3: Almost Like my ex always called me a witch because
Speaker 3: I was like, because of how much I feel witch.
Speaker 2: Ex called you that.
Speaker 3: One that would love if I kept bringing up his
Speaker 3: name because he loves to be in the headlines.
Speaker 2: So I had to copy that.
Speaker 3: You'd be like, yes, I got talked about again, But
Speaker 3: I actually I take it as a compliment. If you
Speaker 3: think I have witchy vibes, I'm like, that's awesome. I
Speaker 3: love I love being a witch.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. Just from being on a zoom with you,
Speaker 1: I was like, she's an EmPATH.
Speaker 3: I can tell oh it, Yeah, it's I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it because it's part of who I am.
Speaker 3: But it's just it really is draining, and I I
Speaker 3: sleep so hard when I get home from any Like
Speaker 3: like yesterday I was at my friend's house and she
Speaker 3: had some people over at her pool and I came
Speaker 3: home and I like, I'm like, I need ten hours
Speaker 3: of sleep.
Speaker 2: Can you get ten hours to sleep?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What? Oh you're one of those Yes, I could sleep
Speaker 1: you sleep anywhere.
Speaker 3: I can sleep anywhere, and I can sleep like if
Speaker 3: I was allowed because I have things to do, I
Speaker 3: could sleep fourteen hours if I if I chose to.
Speaker 2: That is wild.
Speaker 3: I know. It's like I'm good at I do. Once
Speaker 3: in a while, I'll wake up in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night with some pretty intrusive thoughts, like very around
Speaker 3: my cycle. And so I've just like learned my body
Speaker 3: so well that i can sleep anywhere and for a
Speaker 3: long amount of time unless I'm in a certain phase
Speaker 3: of my cycle where i have the worst depression and
Speaker 3: anxiety and I spiral and then that's when I can't sleep.
Speaker 1: Wow, you were just telling me that you know what
Speaker 1: was going through my head that you should start a
Speaker 1: vibrator line you think so yeah, red rose one.
Speaker 3: Ah, that's kind of genius.
Speaker 2: That's a good one, right, that's.
Speaker 3: A really good one because well, first of all, people
Speaker 3: did know me as like the sexual bachelorette, right, I'm
Speaker 3: so open about that kind of thing. And then you
Speaker 3: put in a red rose and it's I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: not mad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, if they ever replaced the rose, what would you
Speaker 1: replace it with?
Speaker 3: WHOA? Maybe like a glass of wine?
Speaker 2: Because you do have a marketing brain?
Speaker 3: There you go, maybe a glass of wine or a
Speaker 3: red Rose vibrator for all the girls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I like this red Rose vibrator. Wait, but
Speaker 2: so you.
Speaker 1: Have your wine line, which I really I want to taste.
Speaker 3: Oh, I will send you. It's actually I'm really depressed
Speaker 3: because my wine line has to close down now. I
Speaker 3: want to pivot because the facility that makes my wine
Speaker 3: they in the wine industry for over one hundred years,
Speaker 3: and the facility shut down. So I didn't have a
Speaker 3: choice but to. But I have so much of it
Speaker 3: still where I'm like, please send me your address because
Speaker 3: I will send you. It's so good. It's the only
Speaker 3: wine I drink, and I love it so much, and
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm gonna have to start all over again
Speaker 3: if I do continue to do it, because I'm like,
Speaker 3: I worked so closely with this wine maker.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: For ten years, I worked in a restaurant business, and
Speaker 3: I worked under a somalier learning about wine, and then
Speaker 3: I would train servers on their wine knowledge to like
Speaker 3: pair it with food, and we'd go on these retreats
Speaker 3: to like wine country, and I'd learn so much. So
Speaker 3: I'm like very dialed in when it comes to wine.
Speaker 3: And I'm so sad that this facility shut down because
Speaker 3: I'm like.
Speaker 2: It's gone. There must be a way.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I can, Like I'll have to transfer the vines.
Speaker 2: I know, somewhere near your eggs. She could grow both
Speaker 2: with love.
Speaker 3: You know what you really you've also got a market
Speaker 3: like that. That's genius. Yeah, I should, I'll find something
Speaker 3: to do. But I'm like, I'm pretty bummed out about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry. Okay, it's it's you always find a
Speaker 1: way though.
Speaker 3: Oh I do my brain, You're a warrior, thank you.
Speaker 3: I do. I get excited to think about like, Okay,
Speaker 3: there's nothing I can do about that. What can we do?
Speaker 3: Like how can I pivot? What's next? What can we make?
Speaker 3: And I actually like that part of it. It's that
Speaker 3: ten years ago me would have spiraled, but ten years
Speaker 3: of therapy Caitlin and learning how to cope has taught
Speaker 3: me to be like, Okay, this is the universe's way
Speaker 3: of showing me that it's just time for the next step.
Speaker 1: Yep, you're being challenged, that's it. I believe that no
Speaker 1: is the first word towards yes. Absolutely, And I live
Speaker 1: by that.
Speaker 3: Literally, I really believe that in that's such a powerful
Speaker 3: way of thinking for anyone that's listening or watching, Like
Speaker 3: that really is a powerful, powerful way of thinking, because
Speaker 3: every note in my life led me to somehow go
Speaker 3: on television and then like get to have I always
Speaker 3: manifested when I was in my young twenties. I always
Speaker 3: wanted my own radio show. I'm like sitting here with
Speaker 3: a podcast on your Tory Spellings podcast, Like this is
Speaker 3: so crazy to me.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I want to be on your podcast.
Speaker 3: Oh please, I would love. Do you live in la
Speaker 3: I do? Yeah, Okay, I come out there quite often
Speaker 3: for podcasts. So we'll plan that. Because it's just like
Speaker 3: every every no has has led me in the right direction.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Could you date a man that doesn't drink wine?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I could, because it would probably help me drink
Speaker 3: less wine. You'd have to accept my wine drinking.
Speaker 2: What what? Uh wait? I want to drink wine with you. Sorry,
Speaker 2: that's all I'm thinking right now. I just want to
Speaker 2: drink wine with her.
Speaker 3: We'll do both.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I find the older I get though,
Speaker 1: like I'm like a cheap drunk.
Speaker 3: Oh oddly same. I used to be able to drink,
Speaker 3: like I could drink a full bottle of wine and
Speaker 3: be totally fine and function the next day. And I
Speaker 3: still like and I have some sort of superpower there
Speaker 3: where I actually really don't get hungover. But my problem is,
Speaker 3: I like, have two glasses of wine now and I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 3: which is so new for me? And I'm like, is
Speaker 3: that it must be getting older? It's you just become
Speaker 3: a super drunk, which is fine.
Speaker 1: That sucks though, Yeah, I get the slur now, like
Speaker 1: after one or two glasses, and I'm like, oh no,
Speaker 1: And then I have to keep saying like I only
Speaker 1: get two glasses with dinner, like because I feel so shamed.
Speaker 3: I don't feel shamed. You should bring the.
Speaker 1: Slur is not cute? No that you're right, And I'm
Speaker 1: single now, so I got to work on the slur.
Speaker 3: Well, my favorite thing to do at a restaurant is
Speaker 3: have it a gin martini now and then I just
Speaker 3: sip that the whole time.
Speaker 2: Oh see, I'm not a sipper.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm a gin martini makes me a sipper.
Speaker 1: Oh see, so I've tried that with a martini, but
Speaker 1: vodka and I just drink it just as fast.
Speaker 2: And then I'm even more wasted. So well, I dried, like,
Speaker 2: do you like saki?
Speaker 3: I love soake?
Speaker 2: Okay, same, Yes, I love it, but I shoot it.
Speaker 2: I don't sip it.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you're supposed to. Oh really, isn't that
Speaker 3: the etiquette?
Speaker 1: I don't know my ex for years he'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: she likes leans the whole thing back, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I always thought you were supposed to.
Speaker 3: I actually I'm going to look into this for you
Speaker 3: because I heard two things. One You're never supposed to
Speaker 3: pour your own because it's bad luck the.
Speaker 2: First one right first one yeah, And two.
Speaker 3: That I don't think hot. You're supposed to sling back
Speaker 3: but cold in the little glass. I think you are
Speaker 3: you sling back hot? That just hurts my thorough thinking
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: I know, impressive, thank you. I give it a few
Speaker 1: blows and then that came out wrong, but then I
Speaker 1: take it all.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding, but I love you.
Speaker 3: I love you too.
Speaker 2: We didn't after hours that podcast here.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about. Even with the Virgin show,
Speaker 3: I'm like, what's happening like the tea behind the scenes,
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is why we need a reunion because
Speaker 3: there's so much tea happening by the scenes, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: come on, this is the real show here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. Tea.
Speaker 3: Isn't that a weird word? Like that one came so popular.
Speaker 3: I don't know where that started from. Don't you ever
Speaker 3: wonder who started the sayings that become like so popular.
Speaker 3: I'm like, where did that start?
Speaker 1: Because when I was young, you'd be like, who started
Speaker 1: white out? They became so famous and so rich. And
Speaker 1: now if I make that reference my kids, they're like,
Speaker 1: what's white out?
Speaker 3: What the heck is white out?
Speaker 1: That's and I'm like, oh my god, I'm old, no archaic,
Speaker 1: but yeah, whoever started the sayings? Nothing, it's just their legacy.
Speaker 1: They'd make any money off of it, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But they don't. They don't even get the credit for
Speaker 3: it because nobody knows who. At least the white oat
Speaker 3: guy gets gets billions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like maybe it's on their tombstone like something.
Speaker 1: I started this saying, Yay, that's funny. Wait, you said
Speaker 1: you've got some crazy dms from virgins? But do you
Speaker 1: get men sliding into your dms all the time?
Speaker 3: No? And I always who did? I just talk to
Speaker 3: you about this. Uh well, this is probably like a
Speaker 3: year ago now, but I remember talking to oh Kristin Cavalary,
Speaker 3: who she gets dms from guys like crazy, and I.
Speaker 2: Was like like good dms, Like.
Speaker 3: Good, yeah, like she's like met some people that way.
Speaker 2: What yeah?
Speaker 3: And I am like, I have the only men that
Speaker 3: slide into my dms are creep There's two creepy guys
Speaker 3: that always want to talk about my feet. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: that's not interesting.
Speaker 2: And your response should be for how much?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it is exactly where my brain goes. I go,
Speaker 3: yeah much. But that's I also have, like if you
Speaker 3: look at my stats on Instagram, it's like ninety eight
Speaker 3: percent female, which I love, but yeah, I think the
Speaker 3: like two percent just want to see my feet apparently.
Speaker 2: So you have good feet. What's hisice feet?
Speaker 3: Six five six and a half?
Speaker 2: Oh me too?
Speaker 3: Oh we could hear shoes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have so many shoes because both my girls
Speaker 1: outgrew my feet.
Speaker 2: So I have like a collect I.
Speaker 1: Call it my art collection of like heels like since
Speaker 1: the nineties, Oh my god, and no one can wear
Speaker 1: them except you.
Speaker 3: Apparently you need to send me a photo of that
Speaker 3: because I never was a shoe girl until recently, and
Speaker 3: now I love shoes.
Speaker 2: I could fill a tub. In fact, once I did
Speaker 2: and took a photo in it with all my heels.
Speaker 3: That's cute.
Speaker 2: I like that, thank you.
Speaker 3: Now I used to like chop at Payless and like
Speaker 3: didn't care about shoes at all, and I just always
Speaker 3: wore Converse. And now I'm starting to like bags and
Speaker 3: shoes I'm starting to like, which I never did before.
Speaker 1: So we're the polar opposites because I used to always
Speaker 1: be into heels and bags and I have such a
Speaker 1: huge collection that I don't wear or use anymore, and
Speaker 1: now I just wear Converse.
Speaker 2: Oh funny, isn't that weird?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Converser, I love They're the best.
Speaker 2: That's my jam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even with dresses, like I wear Converse.
Speaker 3: I always said i'd if I get married, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: wear Converse under my wedding dress. Oh I love that.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Color probably white or like go edgy and do like
Speaker 3: a black leather.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to. You don't have to wear white.
Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna see them anyways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's after labor day. You're forty, you can do
Speaker 1: whatever you want now, whatever I want.
Speaker 3: And also I feel like I never thought I would
Speaker 3: be the girl who would think about wedding dresses, and
Speaker 3: now I'm like, if I get married, I want two
Speaker 3: different dresses, and I want like a short party skirt
Speaker 3: for after, and I want a long, beautiful one of
Speaker 3: the like I've never thought I would think about that.
Speaker 3: I never cared before, and coming from engaged twice, that
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: No, after everything you've been through, you deserve to have
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck you want at your wedding.
Speaker 3: I also picture a courthouse, so I'm really this is
Speaker 3: where I'm a Gemini.
Speaker 2: I'm very courthouse hmm.
Speaker 3: But you can have both exactly. That's that's what I
Speaker 3: would do. I'll do both.
Speaker 1: You can have everything. Okay, So would you ever be
Speaker 1: on another dating show? Sorry, I know we have to
Speaker 1: wrap up soon.
Speaker 3: Well, but I as a host, I would never never
Speaker 3: want a dating show again. As a contestant, I've I
Speaker 3: had so much fun doing it. I had so much
Speaker 3: fun on the Bachelor. The Bachelorette was hell and then
Speaker 3: I'm good now.
Speaker 2: But what if?
Speaker 1: Okay, it was a divorces all divorces, so it's your
Speaker 1: type I'm just putting it out there because I never
Speaker 1: I didn't think i'd ever be on a dating show,
Speaker 1: and I didn't think.
Speaker 2: I'd ever be divorced, right.
Speaker 1: I was like, if I could find a nice I
Speaker 1: want a dad too.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I feel that I know I still wouldn't
Speaker 3: do it, though, I'm yeah, because I'm like, I think,
Speaker 3: I think what really killed me with the dating and
Speaker 3: being the bachelorette was how I constantly was hurting people's
Speaker 3: feelings and I was just every day disappointing somebody and
Speaker 3: it was the hardest thing ever. Because I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm even more I'm like softer in my older years now,
Speaker 3: where I'm like, I can't imagine just constantly disappointing people
Speaker 3: and hurting their feelings every week.
Speaker 2: That's really kind to you.
Speaker 1: What if it was a hidden camera show and you
Speaker 1: were just punking people like your axents that I would
Speaker 1: get down with.
Speaker 3: That I would get down with absolutely. Yes, put me
Speaker 3: on a punk show any day of the week.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm obsessed with your Instagram by the way,
Speaker 1: are Yeah, it's very uh stimulating okaing good, that's not polarizing,
Speaker 1: it's stimulating.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: How long does it take you to do handle your
Speaker 1: social media day?
Speaker 3: I don't think twice about it.
Speaker 2: This is not fair. I know, it's a lot of gift.
Speaker 3: A lot of my friends are like, oh, you just
Speaker 3: do it and don't look back. I'm like, no, all,
Speaker 3: I can put something together so fast, or I don't
Speaker 3: think twice, and then I just I like writing, so
Speaker 3: sometimes i'll like write out a good and then other
Speaker 3: times I just like to like say something inappropriate or
Speaker 3: make a joke. But I don't know. It must be
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit of a skill because I really
Speaker 3: just do it and don't think twice and then carry
Speaker 3: on with my day.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you have mad skills.
Speaker 1: I do all my social myself, and it takes me
Speaker 1: to put up one post like a whole day, like hours,
Speaker 1: Like oh you.
Speaker 3: Got to hire somebody for that, right. Yeah. I enjoy
Speaker 3: doing it because I can just power through so quickly.
Speaker 3: It's like I don't overthink it at all.
Speaker 1: And you have no bad angle, so it's and you're
Speaker 1: not like I love how you're so unafraid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the only thing I get terrified because
Speaker 3: I grew up doing musical theater and I love singing.
Speaker 3: And I've put out a couple songs, and that's when
Speaker 3: I get really scared. I get crippled with fear with
Speaker 3: putting out music or people hearing my voice.
Speaker 2: You haven't done mass singer, right, No? Would you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I would totally do that show. I feel like that,
Speaker 3: have you done it?
Speaker 2: I have, I've heard.
Speaker 3: It's a really nice experience.
Speaker 1: I was on the first season of the US and
Speaker 1: then I've done different ones around the world. But the
Speaker 1: first season, I just had no idea because we didn't
Speaker 1: know what the show was. You didn't know what was happening,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't It was really scary, But for me
Speaker 1: it was really freeing because people always judge me because
Speaker 1: of my name, you know, they see me and like
Speaker 1: instantly like, she can't do this, she can't do that.
Speaker 1: So it was so great to have a mask in
Speaker 1: front of me and it's like they don't know it's
Speaker 1: Tory spelling.
Speaker 2: And I actually got compliments and I'm like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this feels nice to get compliments that
Speaker 1: when I had to take off the mask, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be the same way, Like, I even
Speaker 3: feel more confident singing with sunglasses on, so I feel
Speaker 3: like it really really helped me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What's your go to karaoke song?
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, well, my go to is probably Shoop by
Speaker 3: Salt and Peppa Nice. I know every word of that
Speaker 3: song and I feel like I whip it out of
Speaker 3: karaoke all the time. But I also love anything Alanis
Speaker 3: Moore sat Nice. Yeah. What about you?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I don't. I don't do karaoke. What I know,
Speaker 2: I love karaoke, I mean I will do it. I
Speaker 2: like a good piano bar.
Speaker 3: I love a piano bar. Oh my gosh, Dueling pianos
Speaker 3: and a piano bar are my favorite things.
Speaker 1: I like that, Like that's more my jam than like
Speaker 1: because I don't know, karaoke can be a little bit
Speaker 1: too cool for school and then I get nervous.
Speaker 2: But if you can just like I feel.
Speaker 3: Free, like with your friends, Like you just rent out
Speaker 3: like a private room of karaoke with your friends. That's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would do that. Yeah. Do you like pickles?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Why do you say it like that? I don't know.
Speaker 1: They're one of my favorite things, and we seem to
Speaker 1: have a lot in common, so I just thought i'd
Speaker 1: ask you if you like pickles.
Speaker 3: No, that.
Speaker 2: Really threw me.
Speaker 3: I was like, I love this question though, because I
Speaker 3: was just in Canada with family and my girlfriend pickles.
Speaker 3: That's what she loves, pickling things, and she gave me
Speaker 3: a big spicy My mouth is watering. It's like spicy garlic.
Speaker 2: Pickles that you know, not your lockjaw.
Speaker 3: Uh huh. It's happening, and I yes, and I'm I
Speaker 3: was trying to eat them all before I left because
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to pack them.
Speaker 2: Yes, I like pickling as well.
Speaker 3: Do maybe that I should start that. I feel like
Speaker 3: that's a habit. I could get down with the whole
Speaker 3: pickling pickles.
Speaker 1: I sorry the garden at this house, but I always
Speaker 1: did have a garden.
Speaker 3: I love a garden. That's my dream. In my next house,
Speaker 3: I will have a garden. I want to become Anderson.
Speaker 2: I'm like great at growing things.
Speaker 1: I'm great at growing humans and animals, but not I
Speaker 1: don't have a green thumb.
Speaker 3: I won't either.
Speaker 2: That's a fan it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all my plants in my house are fake because
Speaker 3: I also can't keep anything alive except a snake plant.
Speaker 3: I feel like a snake plant I can keep alive
Speaker 3: and I think that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know what a snake plant is.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'll send you a photo.
Speaker 1: I need that, okay, because I've even killed cactuses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have two, okay.
Speaker 2: Succulents, I kill them all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I I have to set a reminder in
Speaker 3: my calendar to like, if I'm going to do anything,
Speaker 3: it needs to be in my calendar because I am
Speaker 3: so unorganized it's embarrassing and everything that if I'm ever
Speaker 3: going to remember anything, I just need to write it
Speaker 3: down or put it in my calendar or I will forget.
Speaker 2: I just came up with another business for you. I'll
Speaker 2: leave you with this.
Speaker 1: When you grow your garden, I think you should have
Speaker 1: your own variety of rose you should grow in your garden,
Speaker 1: like a deep wine colored rose.
Speaker 3: That's a good idea. I don't know, just for like
Speaker 3: aesthetically pleasing Instagram posts or to sell.
Speaker 2: No fuck that like for business. I mean it all
Speaker 2: starts organically, right.
Speaker 3: I have a rose from my Bachelorette season. Hold on,
Speaker 3: I'll show you saved it. The one of my guys
Speaker 3: brought it for me when he came on my podcast,
Speaker 3: and look at it. It's just completely dried out and
Speaker 3: still the magnet is over there from because when you
Speaker 3: pin the roses on guys, it's a magnet.
Speaker 2: Oooh yeah, a little known fact.
Speaker 3: Yeah. People always are like, how do you get them
Speaker 3: to stick like that? I'm like, it's a magnet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that needs to be a forever rose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it iss not moldy.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Well, I want to meet you in
Speaker 2: person and hang out with you.
Speaker 3: Because absolutely is when I come to LA next, which
Speaker 3: I'm not sure when I'm probably beginning of October, so
Speaker 3: I will be here.
Speaker 2: Do you like horror films?
Speaker 3: I do?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you said October, and it's like the spooky
Speaker 1: season and that's when I come alive.
Speaker 3: So spooky season is my favorite season as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so we'll have spooky night wine and podcast.
Speaker 2: Perfect. This sounds like a great night in that everyone
Speaker 2: will want to know about it.
Speaker 3: So wonderful.
Speaker 2: Thank you, so are you fun?
Speaker 3: Thank you so much?
Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay, I'll see you soon then.
Speaker 3: Okay, yep, I'll let you know. I'm gonna DM you
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, you're sliding into my DMS, slid into your
Speaker 1: m Okay, put something dirty too, Okay, well, night, leve five,