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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. Mid Drink I am John

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Speaker 1: Smoke were joined by Paul Natito two oh one, three,

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Speaker 1: four five on three. Apologies to starting a couple of

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Speaker 1: minutes late. Carl Banks waylaid me in the cafeteria, asked

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Speaker 1: me about Kevin Durant and well, that turned into a

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Speaker 1: five minute conversation. He's injured. Yeah, he is correct, luckily,

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Speaker 1: and let's start here. I don't mean to laugh at that,

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Speaker 1: but the situation is just as yeah, because it's the

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Speaker 1: Knicks and nothing can ever be easy. Because it's the

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Speaker 1: Knicks and nothing can ever be easy. It's over this show,

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Speaker 1: by the way, it's presented by cores Light. We're talking

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Speaker 1: Giants football with you with two four five one three.

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Speaker 1: Will make sure to get to your tweets at hashtag

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Speaker 1: Giants Chat. And we're gonna wrap up otis because today

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Speaker 1: the Giants had their final one and I'll give you

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Speaker 1: a little update on what happened at practice, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll kind of talk about our takeaways from O T

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Speaker 1: or so. Uh. First things first, you might have noticed

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Speaker 1: yesterday there were no you know, top five plays from

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Speaker 1: practice or you know, you know, highlight plays or player

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Speaker 1: is and there wasn't a practice support for me from

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Speaker 1: the sideline for O t A number nine. Why you ask, Well,

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Speaker 1: it was a walk through. The players didn't really do

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Speaker 1: much yesterday, but they walk through situational football. And by

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Speaker 1: that I mean they basically practice things like completing a

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Speaker 1: Little situational things like that at the end of the

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Speaker 1: goal unit on really quick after an inbounds pass to

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Speaker 1: end of the half before the clock runs out. Things

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Speaker 1: like that. Those are the type of things that they

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Speaker 1: walk through an O t A number nine And and Paul,

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Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how detailed and in depth

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Speaker 1: Shermer Giant's head coach Pat Schremer gets with those sort

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Speaker 1: of mechanics and situational football. It's a real big focus

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Speaker 1: for him and this team and this organization. Well, you know, John,

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Speaker 1: let's not forget from being a quarterbacks coach and an

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Speaker 1: offensive corps nader and then then the head coach here.

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Speaker 1: He's had a variety of roles, as many head coaches

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Speaker 1: do when they get to that level in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: But I think I think for me, one of the

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Speaker 1: things that I noticed about Sherman, and you you mentioned

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Speaker 1: the detailed part of it, I sense that he looks

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Speaker 1: at the game because he played it as a center

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Speaker 1: in college at Michigan State, in a much more cerebral

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Speaker 1: way then maybe some other folks would, even if they

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Speaker 1: came up through the coaching ranks and had the same

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Speaker 1: experiences he did on the sidelines, because it's always been

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Speaker 1: my my personal experience, if I can put that into it,

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Speaker 1: that you will ever come across, except for Sean O'Hara.

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Speaker 1: Air check this, Dan. I want to make sure Sean

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Speaker 1: not a coincidence. No, I think that's fair. Uh, today

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Speaker 1: at practice it was short, it was only about forty

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Speaker 1: they're only three competitive periods. Uh, there was the half

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Speaker 1: line past drills if you've seen before, Uh, twelve red

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Speaker 1: practice report, but frankly, so much stuff happened. I got

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Speaker 1: Paul into what our takeaways were from O T S

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Speaker 1: here's what I wonder though. If Slayton is such a comer,

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Speaker 1: important point because Slayton has clearly inserted himself from the

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Speaker 1: seen a team have this much fun and have this

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Speaker 1: good chemistry on the practice field in the spring. Just

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Speaker 1: the group and the way they interact with each other

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Speaker 1: and go about their business, and their their competitiveness and

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Speaker 1: their effort and the fun they have and they're going

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Speaker 1: back and forth and it's good natured. There's no nastiness,

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Speaker 1: there's no brujajas, there's nothing where you're like, oh boy,

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Speaker 1: this is getting chippy, what's gonna happen next. There's none

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Speaker 1: of that. And look, that might not mean a damn

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Speaker 1: thing when you get on the field in September. I

436
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Speaker 1: might not mean anything and it might not translate. But

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Speaker 1: for me, just being around these guys at practice, it's

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Speaker 1: been pleasurable. When it's been fun, I just love the

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Speaker 1: group of guys that Dave Gentleman has put together. Well

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Speaker 1: that's all I'll say kudos to the g M because

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Speaker 1: that was one of his two top priorities. He obviously

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Speaker 1: wanted to get more talent on this team, but the

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Speaker 1: other of his two top priorities was make sure that

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Speaker 1: he gets a good team, good chemistry, good locker room,

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Speaker 1: all that nice stuff culture that we like to throw

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Speaker 1: out that word all the time. You know what, in

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Speaker 1: two seasons, Dave get him. He looks like he got that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Unless hopefully the players are skilled enough to turn into

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Speaker 1: winning football games. And that's really what matters the most.

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Speaker 1: Oh one of them in practice that I think you're

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Speaker 1: very excited about back shoulder throw alert. Thank you, Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 1: the Scott Simonson, Thank you. I think it was intentional. Now,

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Speaker 1: theoretically it could have been behind them. I guess I

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Speaker 1: think it was way to fight me, John. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the player call is. I think it was intentional.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Simonson turned around. He bobbled it a

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Speaker 1: couple of times, but he came down with it, so

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Speaker 1: I knew I will get you excited. It gets me

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Speaker 1: very excited. Anybody who hasn't been watching the show very long,

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't get it. Inside joke here, John knows. We

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Speaker 1: talked about on the air all the time. It's not

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Speaker 1: that inside. But if they haven't watched it very long,

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Speaker 1: but welcome aboard. Yea, that's for sure. The back shoulder

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Speaker 1: throw is one of my favorite plays in the playbook,

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Speaker 1: and it has disappeared from the Giants Playbook for the

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Speaker 1: last several years. I must bring it back somehow. I

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Speaker 1: will campaign to my death to bring back the back

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Speaker 1: shoulder throw. I'm not sure if they got you would

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Speaker 1: have picked to throw it to with Scott Simonson, but

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Speaker 1: that's probably not but I'll take it. I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: The re emergence of the back shoulder throw. Thank goodness,

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Speaker 1: it was like the third fourth, the last throw of

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Speaker 1: practice today, So they want to I really hope it

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Speaker 1: wasn't an accident. We want to remind you that Big

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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live is presented by Cores Light. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: see your phone calls and folks sending your tweets the

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Speaker 1: hashtag Giants Chat. If you can't get on the phone,

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Speaker 1: I'll make sure we get to your tweets over the

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Speaker 1: course of the next thirty five minutes. Let's start Brandon

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey. Who will lead us off? Hey Brandon, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Man? We're good. I know exactly what

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Speaker 1: the back Show does. Man, her team knicks. Yeah, absolutely, awesome, awesome. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But okay, but all right, I just I called the

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Speaker 1: other day and I wanted to correct with Lance for

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Speaker 1: sham because I feel stough. Pat Sherman had is the

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Speaker 1: one who sparked the controversy by saying where he was saying.

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Speaker 1: But but once he was land to explain to yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I get what he was saying, like he wants to

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Speaker 1: get every player ready, like they're going to play week one.

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Speaker 1: But are you saying it like that? When we draft

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Speaker 1: in the first round quarterback. We're going to get that

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Speaker 1: type of a tension on that. Yeah, but Brandon, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: brand here's the thing real quick, and I know I

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Speaker 1: wasn't part of the conversation, so I'll just give my

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Speaker 1: quick fifteen second take and then you can take it

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Speaker 1: away and finish your call. You know you're right. The

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Speaker 1: trick about it is Pat Sherm would say about that

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Speaker 1: the same thing about every other position. Yeah, Jenorris Jenkins

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Speaker 1: is our starter, but Corey Valentine's getting ready to start.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that getting getting ready to play week one.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that Corey Valentine's gonna beat out

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Speaker 1: Jenor's Jenkins for the starting spot. And he had said

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Speaker 1: previously in other media sessions that Eli mannings and starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But he wants to get every player ready to start.

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Speaker 1: And I get why the media would try to make

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Speaker 1: something out of that. I get it, But he really

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Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure that he prepares everybody to start.

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Speaker 1: But there are guys on the team that are going

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Speaker 1: to be starters. But when all said and done, if

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Speaker 1: one player shows that he's much better than the other,

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Speaker 1: that guy is gonna be the guy that plays. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and it's like that for every single position on the roster.

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Speaker 1: If he really shows that he is really ready for it,

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Speaker 1: it really feels though, and we feels though, and the

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Speaker 1: team field that he the lead us. I'm all four well,

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Speaker 1: I feel though that the best thing I think that

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Speaker 1: could happen but him is to sit this ship. He

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Speaker 1: watched the whole train. That can't watch this whole watch

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Speaker 1: the whole season. You mean, see how you see how

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Speaker 1: Elik do it slot out the right way? Because listen, historically, historically,

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Speaker 1: every time we play the Patriots that year we win

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Speaker 1: the Super Brandon. Hey, I'm just saying, I'm gonna put

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Speaker 1: it out. There's no one talking about us, and that's

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Speaker 1: when we play our bet me let me want to

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Speaker 1: talking about us. We play our best for no one

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Speaker 1: talking about us, play our bets when they count with

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Speaker 1: Eli out, Eli probably still that you know this might

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Speaker 1: be it, So listen, let's let's do it. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: I want to. I feel as though that the team

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Speaker 1: is coming together. I feel like this like exactly what

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Speaker 1: you were saying. I feel like the team is coming together.

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Speaker 1: I've been watching things they've been doing a lot like

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Speaker 1: I feel like, I like the I like how the

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Speaker 1: team is coming together, and that translates to win. Brandon

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Speaker 1: on one on one goal, have everybody had? They know

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Speaker 1: they rolled Eliks the startup, sending him out right, but

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Speaker 1: we know Daniel Jones is the future. Let him sit

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Speaker 1: and wait. But if it's his time, it's his time.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, Brandon, thanks for calling, Thank you. Read. I

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Speaker 1: want to expand on his point just to Ted, although

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Speaker 1: he said he didn't need any more for clarification, Look,

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Speaker 1: it is every head coach's desire and actually part of

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Speaker 1: his responsibility to make sure that every one of his

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Speaker 1: fifty three guys on the roster opening day are ready

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Speaker 1: to play. Case closed. And you know why, because he

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Speaker 1: may need. He may need because he doesn't know what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen injuries and otherwise, one of those guys

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Speaker 1: on the fifty three who you may not expect to play,

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Speaker 1: to play. And if a guy is not ready to

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Speaker 1: play and he's got to be put into a game, well,

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Speaker 1: guess what. Shame on the coach for not having that

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Speaker 1: guy prepped. Shame on the player for not being properly

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Speaker 1: prepared to play. So let's make that part of it

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Speaker 1: very clear. And the second part is Pat Shermer indicated

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Speaker 1: during one of his earlier pressors and John, I know

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Speaker 1: you were there, so I hope you can back me

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Speaker 1: up on this. Never he he had indicated that because

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Speaker 1: Tanny and Jones were splitting reps with the second team,

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Speaker 1: there is a competition to become the number two quarterback

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Speaker 1: on this team. I remember him saying that during one

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Speaker 1: of his pressors, Daniel Jones has not done automatically the

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Speaker 1: number two, but he's getting second team reps because he's

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Speaker 1: being given the chance to compete, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not positive about this, but if he

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Speaker 1: hasn't gone all the second team reps the last two weeks,

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Speaker 1: he's got, he's gotten more of them. There's no question

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Speaker 1: he's got I know, probably eight. It's been a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's been more and more and more and more now here,

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Speaker 1: and which is why I'm willing to accelerate my thoughts

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Speaker 1: that he in fact maybe the number two opening day.

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Speaker 1: But here John is the the whole crux of it.

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Speaker 1: Let's say Pat Shermer only keeps two quarterbacks on his

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Speaker 1: fifty three, and we all know that your second string

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Speaker 1: guy is only one play away from going into a game, Well,

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Speaker 1: guess what, Daniel Jones better be ready to play because

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Speaker 1: opening day when the Giants played the Cowboys, if Eli

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Speaker 1: Manning gets dinged and has to come out for a play,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is the only guy on the sideline who's

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to go in for him and take

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Speaker 1: a snap, and he darned well better be ready to

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Speaker 1: play because if he's not, the Giants have a problem.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that coach Shermer says Daniel Jones better

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Speaker 1: be ready to play week one, world, duh, no kidding,

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Speaker 1: And only an idiot would twist that into a quarterback

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Speaker 1: controversy for the starting job. Case closed, Please move on.

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Speaker 1: Two O one five three. Salaman sold me out on

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Speaker 1: Twitter on my Ohara, did you see that? I did

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Speaker 1: see that during your last call. I saw it and

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Speaker 1: I chuckled, and I didn't want to go anywhere with

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Speaker 1: it because I figured you might have to strangle him

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Speaker 1: and then we wouldn't have a producing Well first, soon

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Speaker 1: doesn't find me first, and I'm not going to strangle anybody.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to uh do we leave lose

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Speaker 1: our other call that was online? Then I guess we did.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Scott in New Mexico. He's up next,

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Speaker 1: he Scottie. All right, Hi, guys, how you doing today?

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Speaker 1: Before I get to my main question, which has to

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Speaker 1: do with the linebacking corps, I wanted to ask Paul

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Speaker 1: a question, uh, in regards to the best linebacking unit

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Speaker 1: the Giants had. That you would have to probably harken

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Speaker 1: back to the days of eighty six when they had

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Speaker 1: those four outstanding linebackers to all pros excuse me, to

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famers and an All Pro and under Belichick,

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Speaker 1: they were able to run a lot of different schemes,

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Speaker 1: not comparing personnel, because that's that would be unfair. As

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Speaker 1: you look at the eight six Giants versus this linebacking cord.

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Speaker 1: Did they run the similar types of schemes or are

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Speaker 1: they set up to run the similar type of schemes?

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Speaker 1: Or is it based on the personnel that the Giants

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Speaker 1: have that will dictate how better is going to run

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Speaker 1: it as opposed to what Belichick did with the line

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Speaker 1: They're apples and oranges right now. To be honest, because

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Speaker 1: here here I'll give you a great example. UH. Bank

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Speaker 1: banks will relay this story and I'm sure we'll have

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Speaker 1: them on again at some point to do a guest

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Speaker 1: spot on Big Blue Kickoff Live, and maybe you can

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Speaker 1: listen that day and call in. Okay, Belichick there were

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Speaker 1: times that he would design a play and then Lawrence

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Speaker 1: would go off script and it would work, and then

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Speaker 1: the next week Belichick would put the play in because

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Speaker 1: it worked. There's a great story that Carl talks about

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Speaker 1: where the Giants did not have a play in the

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Speaker 1: playbook that called for both outside linebackers to stand up

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Speaker 1: on the line in a five man front and both

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Speaker 1: rushed the passer at the same time. It just wasn't

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Speaker 1: in the book. So what happens. They're go into the

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Speaker 1: game and both Banks and Taylor come on the rush,

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Speaker 1: even though on that particular play, and there was several

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Speaker 1: of them during the game where Banks was supposed to

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Speaker 1: be the pass rusher and Lawrence just saw something at

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Speaker 1: the line and decided that he would join the frame,

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Speaker 1: and wouldn't you know, Lawrence winds up with three sacks

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Speaker 1: that day. So later on in the week, I guess

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Speaker 1: on Monday, they're going through corrections and they're in there

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Speaker 1: in the meeting room and Belichick goes to total day,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing? Well, did you did you just

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Speaker 1: see this? We ran us back on tape? You're not

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Speaker 1: supposed to rush. And Lawrence goes, well, uh, coach, um,

639
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: how did it work out? And and Belichick's like, well,

640
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: you've got three sacks? Uh, Lawrence says, coach, why don't

641
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: we put that in the playbook for next week? So

642
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: this is this is what I'm talking about. So you're

643
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: talking about extremely unique guys. We're talking about the greatest

644
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: defense player who's ever played the game, Karl Banks, who

645
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: could be a marginal arguable uh, you know, all time great.

646
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: He was on the Old Decade team for the eighties.

647
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: Yet okay, so and you're talking about the guy in

648
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: the middle was Sarry Carson, you know, and obviously you

649
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 1: know he had uh for a little while, he had

650
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly, did Gary Raisins and Pepper Johnson. I mean, unique,

651
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: unique set of backers. So I don't think James Betcher

652
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: is gonna have that kind of conversation with Lorenzo Carter

653
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: or him Andezez or Ogiltree. That's not the conversation they're

654
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: gonna have it. Scott. One of the things very quickly.

655
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: It's got real quick. Schematically, there is a big difference

656
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: between what Betcher do it does and what Belichick did.

657
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: Belichick ran your traditional two gap three or four defense

658
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: where the defensive lineman are supposed to occupy kind of

659
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: too offensive lineman to free up the linebackers. Betcher doesn't

660
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: run it that way. He wants is the defensive lineman

661
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: getting up field in one gapping, which basically means you

662
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: line up in between two offensive him and you try

663
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: to basically knife in between him to get up the field.

664
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: So that is a schematic difference too. But by the

665
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: by the way the two coaches have their defensive lines

666
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: play in their relatives. And you must also remember Belichick

667
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: didn't use much in terms of corner or safety blitz

668
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: is either that was not part of it because he

669
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: knew he had enough in the front seven that he

670
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: didn't need to send any dbs. I mean, that was

671
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: a very very rare occasion. That's not the case with Betcher.

672
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: Betcher's Betcher is not afraid to pull the plug and

673
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: send his dbs. Okay, well, this brings me to my

674
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: question then about the linebacking corps itself. When I look

675
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: at the way it's set up. Uh, and I look

676
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: at what they intend people to do. I assume, uh,

677
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter and Marcus Colden are probably when he was

678
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: starting outside linebackers, and last year Lorenzo Carter had I

679
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: think had four sacks, Marcus Colden had two and a

680
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: half planted he was obviously recovering from an injury, but

681
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: he only had two and a half sacks. Karee Martin

682
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: had one and a half sacks, and every moss I

683
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: guess as a question mark at this point. And I'm

684
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: just worried at this juncture so far as the linebacking

685
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: corps is concerned. Who are the kinds of guys that

686
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: are going to be able to cover us? Say the

687
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: Colns of Chicago or McCaffrey in Carolina or the cod Gurleys.

688
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: Do they have from what you've seen in practice? Or

689
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 1: I know they're putting a lot of stock into oceans, MZ,

690
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 1: but do you see the guys that can actually physically

691
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: cover uh these kinds of backs coming out of the

692
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: linebacking corps? And Uh, if there isn't, what will the

693
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: giants do to compensate? And that was my basic question. Awesome,

694
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: I can take your answer off of your guys. Thank

695
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Well. One, I don't think there's more

696
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: than one or two linebackers in the whole lead that

697
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: can cover those guys one on one. I'm serious, it's

698
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: not easy. The whole way the Panthers and the Saints

699
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: and frankly the Giants at saycom Barkley operate is to

700
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: try to get and when Todd Gurley was healthy with

701
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: the Rams too, you try to get those guys lined

702
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: up on a linebacker because they can't cover them one

703
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: on one. I would say athletic the giant player with

704
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: the best shot at covering those guys what one would

705
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: probably be. Lorenzo Carter agreed. I don't think they're gonna

706
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: ask him to cover a whole lot. They want to

707
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: rush in the quarterback. You know. Here's here's what I

708
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: don't know yet, and we may not even know through

709
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: the preseason because coaches tend to be very vanilla. As

710
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: you know, Jef, Yes, I'm curious to see how much

711
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: sub we already know teams are running and up in

712
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: sub packages, some even more than they go as close

713
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: to left. I'm curious to see how much Nickel and dime.

714
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: The Giants wind up running on defense because Betcher really

715
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: wants to emphasize speed and he wants to emphasize multiple

716
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: usage of different players on the field. Well, let me

717
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: ask you, Peppers can be a multiple use guy. That's

718
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: a guy that they're going to need to cover, can

719
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: be a multiple use guy. I'm curious about Beal. He's

720
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: got the length, in the size, and the frame to

721
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: possibly be a multiple use guy. I don't know if

722
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: he's a change of direction guy in this. I'm not

723
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: sure either. No, but see, he may not be a

724
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: slot guy. What he may wind up being is a

725
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: bracket guy. Okay, I can see that now if you

726
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: play him as the diamond, a bracket possible. Michael Thomas

727
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: showed us last year that he could play some one

728
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: on one against the tight end. Okay, so now let

729
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: me ask you this. Let's say they go die against

730
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: the team that's got a really good receiving running back

731
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: or a really good receiving tight end. And the team

732
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: comes in and they got three spreads, and now they're

733
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: going to use that other part as their fourth target. Well,

734
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: who's to say that? The Giants don't just say, okay,

735
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: you know what, We're gonna go dime and let's just

736
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: say one of the guys we just talked about gets

737
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: assigned to either the receiving tight end or the back

738
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: coming out of the backfield. That could happen. So hey,

739
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: the Chargers did that last year. They went heavy heavy

740
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: dime package. Even how the package whereby they didn't have

741
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: any linebackers on the field at all. They simply went

742
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: with D line and the rest of the lineup was

743
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: all dB. So that's the way this league is going now.

744
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: Because it's a video game pass happy NFL. The Charges

745
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: were the first ones to really innovate that in a

746
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: heavy fashion. Who's to say the Giants may not do

747
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: some of that because we now know they've got so

748
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: much young, um speedy talent in the secondary. And I

749
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: think that brings us to our tweet of the day,

750
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: and then I think the incident replays muted on the

751
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: mixer there. Well that that was listen, be my giants

752
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: chat thing. Here we go, still not working, nor okay,

753
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: here comes Giants chattet tweet tweet, Okay, there we go.

754
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: That was my imitation of the uh like they kind

755
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: of try it. Now there you go. Thank you Giants,

756
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: I think I think I think it's pretty close right now.

757
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: A J. Marshall, this program has really gone downhill. So

758
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: it's funny. Uh. Do you think T. Davis has a

759
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: shot to start a longside alec Ogiltree. I hope he does.

760
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: Been getting the sub packages with the first team, and

761
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: that is somebody that I think the Giants do hope

762
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: with his speed. He's a former safety in college that

763
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: can maybe help cover a little bit. And I don't

764
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: know if he's going to be in the base package.

765
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: I think they like what b J. Goodson can do

766
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: in the base packages, but that's a guy I think

767
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: they hope can develop into a guy that they can

768
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: trust to cover a little bit in the middle of

769
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: the field and sub. He's a wild card for me, John,

770
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure exactly what his role

771
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: is going to be. I'm not exactly sure how high

772
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: his ceiling is and how quickly he will develop in

773
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: his second NFL season. Just as I hate to say this,

774
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: b J. Goodson is a big question mark for me too.

775
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: Part of the problem is he can never stay on

776
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: the field, and and and and the look. I don't

777
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: trust him the cover either I I just don't see

778
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: the side to side change the direction. So you know

779
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: what he is though, excellent blitzer. He became a really

780
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: good blitzer at did in the last year, really good

781
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: between the tackles. I agree with you so but but again,

782
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing where the Giants are

783
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: now to the point where they're not just giving roster

784
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: spots away because there's nobody else. Now they have competition.

785
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: The team has gotten better to where there is competition.

786
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: And guess what if Tate Davis shows that he can

787
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: do the job and b J. Goodson shows he can

788
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: do the job, will fight it out for snaps, fellas,

789
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: fight it out. That's that's good. And I think that's

790
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: what it is right now, to be honest with you,

791
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: I think it is a competition. You know, you don't

792
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: want to give a roster spot to anybody, whether it's

793
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: a starter or a reserve by the fault, because you

794
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: don't have anybody else who can fight for it. And

795
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: I think, if I remember right, I think Tay Davis

796
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: and b J. Goodson each had one interception over the

797
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: course of the spring. I think Tay Davis had in

798
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: early J. Goodson had one on the deflection. I remember, yes,

799
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: that that that one, I definitely remember, based on the

800
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: sideline reaction from some folks amusing. Dan's laughing. He knows

801
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: what I'm talking. I don't remember Davis had one too.

802
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: I think he had one. On one of the first

803
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: two days of practice. There was a play on the

804
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: on the field near the field house, on the right sideline,

805
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: on a short pass and it would have went back

806
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. He kind of jumped a short rat

807
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, you know, look, there are

808
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: a number of guys and and I called him show

809
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: me players. You know this, John, I've been doing it

810
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: for years, show me players. That is a player now who,

811
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: because of various circumstances, has to show me on the

812
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: field that the production is there. They they warrant snaps

813
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: if we Moss is another one of those guys, totally

814
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: unproven to this point, primarily because of injury. I just

815
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: show me play. He's more of a show me guy

816
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: than the other guys though, well, because he's had less

817
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: less resume. He has no resume. Yes, now he's got

818
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: the physical tools, but let's see it. I'm I'm close

819
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: to being out on him and I understand that it's

820
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: fair to be. It's fair to be. But they did

821
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: resign him, did they not. I barely even noticed him

822
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: out there. I don't know. Let's let's see come training.

823
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: And I love Avy. You know, he's a really good guy.

824
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his. I think he's all

825
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: the athletic skills in the world. I just haven't he's

826
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: seen enough this spring. I get excited. His forte was

827
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: getting physical of the line and rushing the past, sir

828
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: and basically beating up the guy who was trying to

829
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: block him. Well, that requires contact. Yeah, that's true. Okay,

830
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: And and he's not allowed to touch anybody right now.

831
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Jimmy and rose Hill online three.

832
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: I met Jimmy wearing his Foredom hat at the Giants

833
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: town hall on Tuesday night. What's up, Jimmy? What class Jimmy?

834
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, you got me by a few years

835
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: six or class of eighty six for me, that's that's

836
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: a little bit different than you were around with some

837
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: guys I've gotten to know subsequent to the through the

838
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: football program, Remember Jip growing John, it was it was

839
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: an absolute pleasure meeting you the other night. You're taller

840
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: than I thought you were. But nonethless, I got your confused.

841
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's what I was calling about locks or

842
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: two things. But the first thing was to basically talk

843
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: about that evening the other night. And there was a lot,

844
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot going on. It was a

845
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: great evening. But of all the things, I think the

846
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: thing that I was most impressed with was the rookie class. Um. Besides,

847
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: you know, seeing up close just how how big Lawrences

848
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: I mean, my guy, he consumed the stage. But they

849
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: just seemed like a you know, a well spoken, intelligent, humble, uh,

850
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, bunch of kids. And you know what, I

851
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: was really impressed with them, you know, as a group.

852
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: Hopefully they can translate their there uh you know, public

853
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: speaking and personal personal skills into into production on the field.

854
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: And Jimmy, by the way, by the way, Jimmy, Darius

855
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: Slayton was hilarious. I I thought he was almost the

856
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: best of the class head a couple one liners in there.

857
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: I thought he was funny. I'm sorry, John, who just

858
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: said Darius Slayton, Oh Slayton, Slayton was funny. I didn't

859
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: expect that he talked about he hadn't been up to Tennessee.

860
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: I think people was asking them, you know, had ever

861
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: been to New York before he said he'd never been

862
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: north to Tennessee. And then he also made a joke

863
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: about how it's tough. He goes, I gotta tell you,

864
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: I never played in that type of wind. You gotta

865
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 1: attract the ball with the winders like that all the time.

866
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: It's really hard. It was. He was funny. He was funny.

867
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: It's the metal Lands, for sure. The only thing I

868
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: would disagree with you with is that DeAndre Baker. To me,

869
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: he's not exactly the kind of guy who's gonna blend

870
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: into a room. DeAndre Baker's got a little bit of

871
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: that chip on his shoulder like all good cornerbacks should have.

872
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: You don't though he's not flashy. He's not flashy, but

873
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: he certainly has a little bit of an edge to

874
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: him because he he wants, he literally wants you to

875
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: throw the ball to him. I mean, it's like, come on,

876
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: bring it on, baby, let's go. And I don't think

877
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: that's a bad thing. But he's a little more noticeable,

878
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: I would say, than the rest of the rookies who

879
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: kind of blend in uh into the sheets if you

880
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. Yeah, I get your pull,

881
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: but uh and and and I think he also the

882
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: kid also has the the makeup to just talk to

883
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: when he does get beat, which eventually they all get

884
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: beat that he seems to have the makeup to just

885
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, shrug it off. And so bring it on again,

886
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: old questions again. Absolutely, Lawrence is that Lawrence is a

887
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: character though he's a podcast too with Madeline and he's

888
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: he's I think he's going to be one of the

889
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: more popular uh rookies among the you know, among the

890
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: fan base, simply because he's got such an outsize, uh

891
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: an outsized personality about him. So, but there was a

892
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: fun evening, um the trying to think what I was wanting.

893
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: We wanted to bring up all right, just um one

894
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: thing with Gettleman and it gets to some of the

895
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: points that you guys were making earlier. Um, you know,

896
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: Scott calls up and he's worried about this, and he's

897
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: worried about that, and Gettleman, um, you know, made it

898
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: made made it a point that it was still three

899
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: months away and the roster is still fluid, and as

900
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, he had said that a few

901
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: people have already been released. I think that day and

902
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: that the next day he and his staff are going

903
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: to be, you know, going through going through rosters and

904
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: who was cut. So I understand, we only have to

905
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: talk about the people we know because they're there and

906
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: where they fit and where some of the worries are.

907
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: But um, I think I think when that, I don't

908
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: think there's this There are people that that will be

909
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: competing for spots that aren't there right now, and I

910
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: think Edelman made that try to make that clear to

911
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: the to the audience that you know, he's not he's

912
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: not finished yet, which I thought it was kind of

913
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: illuminating and something that you guys have said, you know, repeatedly.

914
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean, all you've got to look at is how

915
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: the chine changed their rosta last year in August and September,

916
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: and it was it was wholesale. Now, if they do

917
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: that again this year, I think it's a really bad sign.

918
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: I would not expect them to have to do that

919
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: again this year though, either, So you know that the

920
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: interesting part here is that they don't have a lot

921
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: of economic flexibility at this point going into this season

922
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: to do much more in terms of even a semi

923
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: big name. Now, that doesn't mean UH, they can't go

924
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: after a veteran who may get cut during training camp,

925
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: who they may think can enhance their depth chart. They

926
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: can make some minor moves here, and there's no question

927
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 1: that gentleman is always on the prowl to upgrade any

928
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: spot on the roster. They could always restructure a contract here.

929
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: They could do a deal if they had to. But

930
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying it is, I wouldn't expect

931
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: any significant move. Any move you see now is probably

932
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: going to be one of those one line transactions in

933
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: yet and and the guy may turn out to be

934
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: an important player over time, but I don't think at

935
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: the time of the move, you're gonna necessarily shake the

936
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: earth with any changes that they make. Can I ask

937
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: you guys one final question and I'll get off the

938
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: line here. Um, I've been reading a lot about you

939
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: know in the betch of scheme. You know, someone who

940
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: fits the role of what they've been terming the money back,

941
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: What type of what, what skill set and what function

942
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: does the quote unquote money back UH have in a

943
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: bet of scheme? Well, thank you Jimmy, appreciate that. Thank you, Jimmy.

944
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: Be well call again. Uh. The problem with the money

945
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: backer is that he's really a hybrid strong safety outside

946
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: linebacker more than anything else and thinks so think in

947
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: those terms or even in the nickel kind of like

948
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: a weak side inside linebacker too. You know what is

949
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: in the nickel, the will is behind the line of schrimming.

950
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: He's not on the edge. So it's true, that's true.

951
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: And so I mean, he's got to have athleticism, he's

952
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: got to have some quickness, he's got to have some

953
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: cover skills, he's got to have some blitz skills to

954
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: be honest too. I mean, you know, you know the

955
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: most important one is it's got to be able to

956
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: tackle that. That's a guy, that's a guy that's going

957
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: to be in space against guys one on one, and

958
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: if he misses those tackles, guess what, they're gonna be

959
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: running a damn long time. Look, and you know this

960
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: from all the years that I've been with you, John

961
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: in this department. Uh, miss tackles are pet peeve for me.

962
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: They always have been, they always have been. And in

963
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: bet Your's scheme, there are too many times when he's

964
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: got guys isolated who have to make one on one

965
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: tackles for you to survive. If you miss too many

966
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: of them, period, it kills you. It turns. It doesn't

967
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: turn the extra five yards, extra ten yards, It turned

968
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: into an extra thirty yards, forty yards, fifty yards touchdowns. John,

969
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: you know coach Shermer likes to say his pet peeves

970
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: dropped passes. Coach Coughlin his pet peeve was balsa purity. Okay, well,

971
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: well I'm going to tell you right now my pet

972
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: peeve has always been missed outs. And and they're all

973
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: on the same plane. They can all be similar in

974
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: terms of the value or should I say the detriment

975
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: to your value? I wonder what my pet peeve would be? Yeah,

976
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: I think about that. Besides Lance, what would be my

977
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: pet peeve? Dan? Dan? He's killing all of our co

978
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: workers the end Today I said good things about Dan.

979
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: That's true. Not you, though. Shall we move on? Yeah,

980
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: Let's go to uh christ and New Jersey Online one day.

981
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: Let's go to Chris next. What's up? Buddy? Hey, guys,

982
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: are are you press? What's up? So? I just got

983
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: a quick question, actually two questions, and I could take

984
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: both answers off the air. Yeah. Um. My first question

985
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: is what aspect of the Giants do you think it's

986
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: going to outperform their expectations, whether that's special teams, pass rush, uh,

987
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, run game wide receivers, or specific plane. And

988
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: my second question is, and I don't see enough people

989
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: talking about it in what scenario do you see Daniel

990
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: Jones starting over? Eli, Thank you guys, I appreciate it.

991
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: Chris Well, I guess it depends what your expectations are.

992
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: My expectations for the offense are pretty high, honestly, So

993
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: if other people don't have high expectations for the offense,

994
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: then I would say just the the passing game in general.

995
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: Off the play action I think is going to be

996
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: a lot better than people think. Maybe I think it's

997
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: gonna be good though, so I actually have a high

998
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: have high expectations for it, but I would I would

999
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: say the passing game. I think a lot of people

1000
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: believe without Beckham that they're gonna have all sorts of

1001
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: issues moving the ball through the air. I don't see it.

1002
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: I think they'll be fine. Are they gonna be a

1003
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: top five passing offense? No, but they don't have to

1004
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: be I think I'm gonna go passing offense. That would

1005
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: that would be mine. And I agree with John because

1006
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: I think when you use that word expectations, you have

1007
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: to put it into context. And I think that outside

1008
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: the building, because they dealt oh b J one of

1009
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: the true superstars at the position of wide receiver in

1010
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: this league, most people think that all well, Sterling Shepard,

1011
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: yeah whatever, golden tat all, he's old, who knows what

1012
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna do, And the rest of the Giants on

1013
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: the depth charter just guys. I don't think a lot

1014
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: of people outside the building have a lot of high

1015
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: regard for the Giants receiving cores as a whole, and

1016
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: and the quarterback. Let's be honest, you people outside the building,

1017
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people are doubt on him too. So

1018
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: so in that regard, based on the question in context,

1019
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: I think the passing game will definitely exceed most people's expectations.

1020
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: What do you think the expectations are for the offensive

1021
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: line play? I feel very good about that too, well,

1022
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: I think most of us do. And I think even

1023
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: the people outside the buildings see the upgrades, So I

1024
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: don't know that they're going to exceed expectations. I think

1025
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: everybody believed they're going to be a lot better. Maybe

1026
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: the safety position. I like Betha and Pepper's. I think

1027
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: it's a nice combination. That would be the only other

1028
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: place I would go. Um, I'll tell you what you

1029
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: want to go one other place if you really want

1030
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: for me, and I know you, You and I disagree

1031
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: on this. You think that the young corners are gonna

1032
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: have their rookie struggles and that it may be more

1033
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: painful than I do. I know they will have rookie struggles.

1034
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that they will pay for them

1035
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: as much as you think they are so I by

1036
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: the way, I'm very optimistic about the group in general.

1037
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: I just think for all rookie corners, you're gonna have

1038
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: things along the way that are going to happen. It's

1039
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: just the way it goes. You will spill some blood, sure,

1040
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: I just don't think it will be as much as

1041
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: you think. So I'm gonna say that there's a chance

1042
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: that the the past defense the secondary will exceed some

1043
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: people's expectations anyway. This way, I think right now in

1044
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: the roster, the Giants have five cornerbacks, that I think

1045
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: at some point their NFL crew will start. Nothing wrong

1046
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: with that, you know, and Balantine will be the guy

1047
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: that's kind of I don't know if I've seen enough

1048
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: of him yet to know for sure, but Grant Handle

1049
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: is going to start in this league, and I count

1050
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: the Nickel as a starting spect. You have to with this.

1051
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: Julian Love will start in this league. DeAndre Baker is

1052
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: gonna start in this league. Obviously, General's Jenkins, and then

1053
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: I think Sam Buel and Valentine both have chances to

1054
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: do it. I don't know for sure that they will,

1055
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: but I think they both have shots at it. Now.

1056
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: How quickly is that going to happen? Not so short?

1057
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: And how much blood is along now the other blood.

1058
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: A part of Chris's question was at what point or

1059
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: how what would have to happen for Daniel Jones to start,

1060
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: And that's something we've said a couple of times, many times. Actually, yeah,

1061
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: so let's just go through it one more time. Two

1062
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: things have to happen for Daniel Jones to get in

1063
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: the games. And I'm assuming he's sitting meeting starting a game,

1064
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: but he could get into fourth quarters of the teams

1065
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: a bigger down big. So we're talking about starting a game.

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00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: The team will have two things need to happen for

1067
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones to get in the games. All right, the

1068
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: giants will be losing games. Start start sorry to start,

1069
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,959
Speaker 1: the Giants have to be losing games, and the ELI

1070
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: will have to be not playing well or hurt correct

1071
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: uh And conversely, or one of those dud doesn't be

1072
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: both for ELI to keep his job, the team d

1073
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: needs to be winning games and he needs to play well.

1074
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: He needs both those. Okay, visit, the team's winning, but

1075
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: they're winning despite him, and Daniel Jones looks really good.

1076
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: I could see him making a move if he lies

1077
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: playing well. But the teams out of the playoff race

1078
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: in December, I could see them making a move. That's

1079
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,479
Speaker 1: why you need both those for ELI to keep the job.

1080
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: So if one of those things falters, that's when you say,

1081
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: all right, now, maybe Daniel Jones will get a shot

1082
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: or and again this is just real simple. If they

1083
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: think Daniel Jones is better, I don't foresee that. No,

1084
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: I'd be very surprised by that. I'd be shocked at that,

1085
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: very very shocked and surprised at that. But that's obviously

1086
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: goes without saying, you know what boggles the mind? There's

1087
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: a lot that poggles my mind. Okay, that's true. There

1088
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: is a segment of Giants fans out there. They call

1089
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: themselves Giants fans, but they're very anti Eli and can't

1090
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: wait to usher him off this roster. But you know what, John,

1091
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: If Eli Manning starts all sixteen games this year, my definition,

1092
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: that means not only did he play well, but that

1093
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: the team is in the playoff funt right down to

1094
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: the end of the season. That's a good thing. And

1095
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: if you're a Giants fan, you'd be you'd be an

1096
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: absolute idiot not to understand that and not to want that.

1097
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: And it's and it's not a reflection on Daniel Jones either.

1098
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: I think it has nothing to do with it. I

1099
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: think that's where people make the mistake why they don't

1100
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: want Eli to start all sixteen games, because I think

1101
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: they in for that to mean that Daniel Jones isn't

1102
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: good enough to take the job from him. But that

1103
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Daniel Jones. It's a separate issue.

1104
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: You're right, a line plays well, Giants are in the

1105
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: playoff rice right till the very end. That's good. It's

1106
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: a good thing. That's a good thing. And anybody who

1107
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: who can't understand that is lost in the contradiction somehow,

1108
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: and they can't possibly be a Giants fan. All Right,

1109
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: we started a couple of minutes later, so we'll go

1110
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes late, and then we gotta go

1111
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: get some lunch because I'm hungry. Kes go to coach.

1112
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: It's National cupcake Day, by the way, so it's time

1113
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: they get coach. Marvin and Delaware. What's up, coach, coach?

1114
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: They're doing John and Paul. We're good. How are you?

1115
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing good? But not a good show today, Thank you,

1116
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, and yesterday wasn't good. It was mediocre yesterday.

1117
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: I say, it's always a good show. Um, but I

1118
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: was talking about the pet kis. I have a plenty

1119
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: of pet kis when it comes to teams. My biggest one.

1120
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: I have three big ones for The biggest one is capitals.

1121
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: That drives me crazy. You know, a coach, I just

1122
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: thought of mine. This is what mine is. Defensive backs

1123
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: not getting their head around and just running into wide receivers.

1124
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 1: It drives me nuts. Just look at the ball, look

1125
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: at the ball. I mean, it's the easiest one, not

1126
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: to get past the fearence penalties. Just get you damn

1127
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: head around and locate the freaking ball. That's my pet teas.

1128
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: I don't with you, John, that's not but I'm with you.

1129
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: That's frustrating. And the balls right behind it's so fun.

1130
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: So many, so many interceptions are lost for defensive bass

1131
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: because they just don't turn the hell around this take up.

1132
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: They don't anticipate the route and the timing of this.

1133
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: They got to realize that when they're probabing the receiver,

1134
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: they got to run the route just as well as

1135
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: the receiver. And by the way, I will coach, I

1136
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: will volunteer some information very quickly. I can tell you

1137
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: what called banks is. Pet peeves linebackers not understanding route combinations.

1138
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: It drives him batty. I see it during radio broadcast

1139
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: when you see, like you know, Jason Winn catching balls

1140
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field past the first down marker.

1141
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: He wants to slam his head against the wall against

1142
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: him solid Yeah, oh yeah. It's a lot of pettig

1143
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: when you're coaching or watching the game, that just fuch

1144
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: strikes you sometimes. But I was talking about the Daniel Jones,

1145
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: the Daniel Jones thing going on a little bit. I

1146
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: think what's happening. I mean, people that's writing, that's that's

1147
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: their job is to try to find the story. I'm

1148
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: not gonna fossom for that. Um. They they they try

1149
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: to get themselves a story and and and you can't

1150
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: fall into that trap and give them one, especially when

1151
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: they expand on a question because the coach. The coach

1152
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: was right when he said that you're always training your

1153
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: whole team to be ready to play. Of course, coach,

1154
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: you you understand you. Here's the thing that the folks,

1155
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: the folks who are firing off the questions at the coach,

1156
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: they need to understand the coach's mentality because he's coming

1157
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: from a a different perspective and a context then what

1158
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 1: they want to hear. Really, that's the problem, by the way,

1159
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: and it gets lost in translation because they can't figure

1160
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: it out. And by the way, I will actually give

1161
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: the media credit on this one because instead of just

1162
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: letting his first answer hang there and then running with it,

1163
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: they actually did try to get clarification as to what

1164
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: he actually meant by asking follow ups. So I won't

1165
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: give them credit for that, because they could have just

1166
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 1: left his first answer there and said it's an open

1167
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: competition and not followed up. I prefer them to at

1168
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: least follow up so they actually do try to understand

1169
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: here's the problem. Then he clarifies from a coaching perspective

1170
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: what he meant, and they still can't understand the translation.

1171
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: I understand that it may be naive to the question

1172
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: on it to the answer, but I think in their

1173
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: jobs they're poking and trying to get something out of it,

1174
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: but you just can't fall into it. And John is

1175
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: right because the question was he said, um that he's

1176
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: getting him ready to play, like if he's gonna play

1177
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: week one. There's nothing wrong with that because suctimentality that

1178
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: they all have to happen, of course, but the thing

1179
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: came up when he said ready for the week one.

1180
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: Now the follow up question is, oh, so you're thinking

1181
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,959
Speaker 1: he can't beat the ELI, and that's what you gotta

1182
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 1: stop the guy. You gotta be like, oh wait, that's

1183
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: not what I said. I said, we're getting ready to

1184
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: play for week one. Well, and and he tried to

1185
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: repeat himself. I think three times if you watched the video,

1186
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: we repeat himself three times because and he goes, I

1187
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: don't know what's so confusing about it, but I guess

1188
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: it is because you guys aren't getting it. I mean,

1189
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: and by the way, the funny thing is that that

1190
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: continued in the hall and like another ten minutes, and

1191
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,479
Speaker 1: they just kept going back and forth in the circle.

1192
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: And I think what finally got through is that coaches

1193
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: like guys, look, I would say that about every single

1194
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: player at every single position on the roster. And I

1195
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: think that finally is kind of what got through. And

1196
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: the shame of it is I think most of the

1197
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: Beat guys got it. I don't think a lot of

1198
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: the Beat guys ran with it as an open competition.

1199
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: The problem, though, is that a lot of outside media

1200
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: outlets just picked up on the quotes and then they

1201
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: didn't actually try to find the context in it. That's

1202
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: why you saw maybe the people that weren't here made

1203
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: a bigger deal about it than the people that we

1204
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: actually were here at the time. Yeah, well, the shop. Again,

1205
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff gets lost in translation because you

1206
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: have to understand when the coach says something, he's talking

1207
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: out it for giving his answer honestly, but from a

1208
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: coach's person active and that context is very very important.

1209
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: And by the way, I apologize, Coach, I'm never gonna

1210
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: be laughing during that call. I had nothing to do

1211
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: with you know, Dan Salomon who always does this to me,

1212
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: one of the guys who was a constant target of

1213
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: my pet peeve of not getting his head around one

1214
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: of the great Eli apple up. He put up a

1215
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: picture of the ball literally right in front of his face,

1216
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: and Dan just pop up on the screen and how

1217
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: he found it. But because there are a number of

1218
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 1: those photos, that's why I just hit Charlie's button, would

1219
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: you please? Okay, hold on, I need to get myself together, Okay, hello, Hello,

1220
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: Well and I liked the lie apple, but he did

1221
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: have an issue. Hello Charlie. Hey guys, Hey, mytche is.

1222
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: You got to know what it is offensive lineman who

1223
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: don't block an offensive lineman that just totally does the

1224
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: ol A with and the guy goes right by him

1225
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: and kills our quarterback. Actually, you know what, I I

1226
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: can give you two pet peeves. I know Lance's pet

1227
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: peeve Charlie is you. And the the other pet peeve

1228
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: I have is callers that continue to bring up people

1229
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: that aren't on the roster and try to get them

1230
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: on the team no matter what time of year it is.

1231
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: That's a good one, John, even after the long retire

1232
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: and nobody wants them anymore. Hey, how do you how

1233
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: do you get into that town meeting? I want to

1234
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: want to ask some questions. You gotta be you gotta

1235
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: be a season ticket holder. And sadly, Charlie, I'm one

1236
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: of the people that screened the question, so I can

1237
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: tell you right off the bat. He won't ask you

1238
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: nobody anything. Oh no, no, Charlie, honestly no, in all honesty,

1239
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: they do pre submit questions via email, which they do read.

1240
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: But anybody can walk up to one of those microphones

1241
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: and ask pretty much any question they want. I mean, honestly,

1242
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, I try to clean some up to to

1243
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: get better answers with with people, But I will never

1244
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: tell anybody, Oh, you can't ask that question. That's that

1245
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: that that's not what we do. Jeez, that might be

1246
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: worth just getting season tickets for even if I couldn't go.

1247
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: Oh and now Dan has put a will Beati picture

1248
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: his favorite play of I don't try to remember this play.

1249
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: Do you remember Jared Allen when he sacked Eli Manning

1250
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: around will Beati One basically threw him and around him

1251
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: and it was nasty. Yeah it was not good. Yeah

1252
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: that was because he was injured. Oh yeah, you X,

1253
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: then that is such an excuse. What's your play? I look,

1254
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, we haven't seen anything yet on Daniel Jones.

1255
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: He hasn't played in the game yet, even in the

1256
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: preseason game. Correct, Correct, Charlie. And the other thing is,

1257
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: we don't know if this guy is doable. Do you

1258
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: understand that I'm manning it's called Mr Durable because for

1259
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: fifteen years, sixteen years, he's never missed a game because

1260
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: of injury. Here's the thing, we're real quick. I don't

1261
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: know if Daniel Jones is durable, but I do know

1262
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: that he's tough. He came back after two weeks breaking

1263
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: his clavical dupe two weeks and he played with it. Now,

1264
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he's not gonna have injuries that he

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Speaker 1: can't play through, and there's no way to know that,

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Speaker 1: but at least I can promise you the kids tough.

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Speaker 1: Whether or not he's going to avoid all the injuries

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Speaker 1: like Eli has, that I can't tell you. Yeah, all right,

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01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: we don't know if this guy is going to be

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Speaker 1: a win who's just like injured every year. You don't

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Speaker 1: You don't have any clue, and people are trying to

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01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, bum rush you know, Eli out, and we

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01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: don't know if this guy can last his game or

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01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: two in the league, especially if he's doing his his

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Speaker 1: P S A S. You know what I mean, running

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Speaker 1: with Writers of America what Charlie the In all seriousness,

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01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: one of the things that I hope he learns from

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01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: being a sponge to Eli Manning is how Eli Manning

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01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: does protect himself in the pocket and does absorb hits.

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Speaker 1: I'm not joking when I say that Eli has been

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01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: lauded by fellow NFL p Can you teach that though?

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01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I hope, I hope that somehow

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01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: he's able to pass some of that along, because if

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01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones can pick any of that up in terms

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01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: of secrets to enhance durability, it's only going to help him,

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01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: I know. But the thing is that Sherman likes a

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Speaker 1: mobile courebatte, and if he has him running here and

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01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: there and everywhere once in a while, whatever, it's going

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01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: to be a disaster. I think Anyway, Remember, Charlie Russell

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01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,479
Speaker 1: Wilson knows how to run but not get hit. He's

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Speaker 1: changed his game dramatically in the last three years, and

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01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: I need to give him credit for that, because I

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01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: didn't like him very much the first few years of league.

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01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: And even a guy like that Prescott, now he'll run

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01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: in big situations to get first downs and take some hits,

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01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: but he doesn't try to run the ball a lot.

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01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: He's the guy that will pass first and will run

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Speaker 1: what he has to. So there is value and utility

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Speaker 1: to having a quarterback that when you need three yards

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01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: and he drafts back to pass and he can run

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01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: for it and get out of bounds, there's a value

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Speaker 1: to that. Charlie. I must correct you also on one thing.

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01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: Don't say Shermour likes mobile quarterbacks. Pat Shermoer has been

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01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: very specific in correcting people at the podium by saying

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Speaker 1: he wants guys who have escapability. That's a little that's

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01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: a little bit different. Well, No, I think he's right.

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Speaker 1: I think he likes mobile quarterbacks. It doesn't mean he

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01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: likes running quarterbacks. That's the difference. Escapability is what he wants, right, Yeah,

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01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: Prescott and Wilson. They have a different build than Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: No questions there, there, there, there there. You know they're built.

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01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: They're bigger there you know what I mean. Daniel, No, no, no,

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01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is much bigger than Russell Wilson. Do bigger.

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01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: He's much been now. He said that different building different Okay,

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01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: I got you, I got you my different build. The

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01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: other guys looked more like, you know, like a linebacker.

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01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: Prescott does, Wilson doesn't. Wilson's Wilson. Wilson's a pretty slightly

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01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: Prescott's Prescott's two forty. He're right, he's built like a linebacker.

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Speaker 1: You're right about that, Charlie. I leave you with one

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01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: comment before we let you go and say goodbye for

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Speaker 1: the show. You know, Jones just kind of built like

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01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers actually, and Rodgers doesn't move around a little

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01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: more like deadly Rodgers accidentally has gotten hurt moving around too,

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01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: So maybe that's not the best, Charlie. Not too many

1324
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: younger folks remember, but when Phil Sims came into the league,

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01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: he was a scrambling demon. He had to be because

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01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: his offensive line was tissue paper thin. And you probably

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01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: recall this Phil ran around a lot, and he got

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01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: hurt a lot, and then because he got hurt, he

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01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: built up his body to such a degree where he

1330
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: was strong and powerful and thick and like a linebacker,

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01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: and he became tougher than nails because he had to.

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01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels used to say, he's not a quarterback, he's

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01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: a football player because he's got a linebacker's mentality. Playing quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Phil learned after the first couple of years of scrambling

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01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: a lot that that's not the way to be. You

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Speaker 1: gotta be a pocket passer, and if you have a

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01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: little escapability, that's fine. And so the years later when

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Speaker 1: Hoss Stetler, you know, it was his backup, and then

1339
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: of course Hass came in during the season and he

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01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: had more mobility and ran around more than Phil. People

1341
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: were like, well, that's because compared to him, fills a statue. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know that comment is almost insulting to fill because

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01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: he wasn't a statue early in his career. But because

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01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: he got the crapp beat out of him, he was

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01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: forced to run the ball less because it was the

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01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: smart thing to do. And I know you remember that, Charlie,

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01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: I know you do yeah, I just, I just Phil

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01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: Sims is always a better quarterback. You know there's no

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01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: hands down. Well sure, but the point about his legs

1350
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: and mobility and escapability, that's what I'm trying to get

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01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: through to you. And I know you know that we

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01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: gotta run, Charlie, big good stuff is always you know,

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01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: how Jones should use his mobility like Andrew lucked us. Yeah,

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01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: that's how he should try. I absolutely agree with that,

1355
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: where he'll run for a first down when he has to.

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01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: He'll use it to avoid hits and avoid the rush.

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01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: But don't be a running quarterback. Totally quarterback that can

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Speaker 1: run if he has to. That's how you look at it. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is a fun show with a lot of laughs,

1360
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: good callers, a good stuff. Well, we appreciate Dan for

1361
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: being along for the ride because he added to it. Well,

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01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: that's how we know that the players are going away

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01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: and the ot is over. His Dan is time to

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01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 1: work on the show with us. That's always good to

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Speaker 1: say for Dance salem On our producer for all Paul

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Speaker 1: Ta Tino, I am John Schmilk. Tomorrow it is Paul

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Speaker 1: and Lance back in the on Big Blue Kickoff Live

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Speaker 1: in noon, Right here on giants dot com. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Audios.