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Speaker 1: SB Nation and Team Mobile present the twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: MLB All Star Preview.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome in to SB Nations MLB All Star

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Speaker 2: Weekend Preview powered by Tea Mobile. I'm your host, Sam Wilson,

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Speaker 2: along with John Stulness of The Good Fight and Brady

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Speaker 2: Klopfer of McCovey Chronicles. Guys, I don't know about you,

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Speaker 2: but I'm a huge fan of the All Star Weekend.

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Speaker 2: Usually I like the fun and games aspect of it.

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Speaker 2: It kind of throws in the younger crowd and makes

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Speaker 2: it a different kind of MLB feel. What are your

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Speaker 2: thoughts going into this weekend, especially after missing the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty season. John, I'll start with you.

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Speaker 3: Yea, Hey, Sam, this is so much fun. The All

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Speaker 3: Star Game is great. It's a kind of how I

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Speaker 3: got introduced to baseball way back, and I'm going to

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Speaker 3: prove myself to be the old guy in the room

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Speaker 3: back in like the mid eighties. And it's always when

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Speaker 3: you're a kid, it's the first time you get to

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Speaker 3: see your play that you watch night in a night

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Speaker 3: out play with the best players in baseball. So it's

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Speaker 3: you're on that grand stage. And if you're if you

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Speaker 3: root for a team like like the Phillies, like like

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Speaker 3: I do, you know, you don't see your team on

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Speaker 3: the big stage most of the time, So it's it's

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Speaker 3: kind of fun to to get on national TV and

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Speaker 3: see your players playing with the best players in baseball.

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Speaker 3: And there's there's something special to the Midsummer Classic. I

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Speaker 3: think it's the it's the one all Star game that

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Speaker 3: really most resembles what you would see on a regular

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Speaker 3: on a regular night in night out basis with the

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Speaker 3: NBA All Star Game, there's no defense, and you have

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Speaker 3: games that somebody's almost scoring two hundred points, and you

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Speaker 3: have you know, you have in in In the NFL,

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Speaker 3: nobody even cares about the Pro Bowl. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: at the end of the season when everybody's forgotten about football.

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Speaker 3: Here it's in the middle of the season. You've got

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Speaker 3: you've got a lot of news happening, and it's it's

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Speaker 3: a game that resembles what you would see on a

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Speaker 3: really good, crisp summer evening. And so I think the

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Speaker 3: All Star Game is really special and still unique. I

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Speaker 3: think it's the it's the best all Star game of

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Speaker 3: all the four professional major sports.

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Speaker 2: Still, you might be a little biased, but I tend

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Speaker 2: to agree we might all be on the same page.

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Speaker 2: What about for you, Brady, what's your favorite part about

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Speaker 2: the All Star Game? What are your thoughts on it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really like the idea that you get to

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Speaker 4: see players that you just don't normally get to see,

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Speaker 4: because that's a kind of odd thing about being a

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Speaker 4: baseball fan is your team plays six to seven nights

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Speaker 4: a week. You don't really get to watch other teams

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Speaker 4: very much, so you become familiar with the players on

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Speaker 4: your team. You become familiar with the players in your division,

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Speaker 4: but outside of your division, and especially outside of your league,

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Speaker 4: you might not really get to ever watch those players.

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Speaker 4: If you're a fan of the National League, you might

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Speaker 4: never really get to watch someone like Sho Heeo Tani

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Speaker 4: because that requires watching another baseball game in addition to

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Speaker 4: the three hours you're already committing every night to watching

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Speaker 4: your own team. So it's other sports I feel like

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Speaker 4: you get it's easier to watch the other stars that

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Speaker 4: the mid center of classics kind of the big chance

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's one of the fun topics

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Speaker 2: the other divisions, like you said, not only allows other

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Speaker 2: but then you also get the fun of like who's better,

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Speaker 2: who's going to start? So we'll get into it. Starters

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Speaker 2: it's still Mike Trout. They have not replaced him yet.

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Speaker 2: So before we get into the National League, who replaces

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Speaker 3: I would love to see Michael Brantley. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: in as as the Mike Trout replacement.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with the less known player or less

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Speaker 4: I think he has just been been phenomenal this year.

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Speaker 4: for outfielders this season. I know it's not very exciting

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Speaker 4: That kind of is the antithesis of what this event

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Speaker 4: from a talent perspective, I think that's who I would

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Speaker 4: put in there to replace Strout. Not that anyone can

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Speaker 3: Brady, I was going to say, you're right, he does

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Speaker 3: have the highest wins above replacement according to Fangrafts, Joey

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Speaker 3: Gallo in that spot as well. You're not losing a

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Speaker 3: I think I think putting Mullins in the starting line up,

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Speaker 3: I think that actually really is what the All Star

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Speaker 3: Game is about. You know, you've got, you've got. If

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Speaker 3: you're an Orioles fan, you have nothing to watch this year, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's you've got nothing, but if you're if

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Speaker 3: that's a that'd be an awesome thing that if I

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Speaker 4: That's a good point.

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Speaker 2: No, it is a great point. And I think it

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Speaker 2: also goes to show from Mollens how great of a

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Speaker 2: it's a testament to him really that he even made

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Speaker 3: No, that's true. And you know, every team gets one representative.

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Speaker 3: I know we're going to get into that here in

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Speaker 3: just a few minutes, but you know, Mullins has he

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Speaker 3: was he did not get in by charity. You know,

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Speaker 3: he he's hitting three sixteen. You know, he's got an

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Speaker 4: I'm taking a point for that one. Yeah, not that

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Speaker 2: So it did come out already that Korea and al

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Speaker 3: List, I mean, I think if you're looking at if

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Speaker 3: He scored fifty runs this year. He's a top of

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Speaker 3: But I think Maryfield is a guy who you know,

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Speaker 3: he's not an upper echelon offensive player, but he gives

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Speaker 3: that element that you just don't see in baseball anymore.

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Speaker 3: And what baseball needs is action. They need action on

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Speaker 4: If I were adding two players in there, I would

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Speaker 4: also go with Maryfield and also add Yon Roncatta, who

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Speaker 4: he's a very exciting player. He's a very good player.

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Speaker 4: You know. He brings a lot of a lot of fun,

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Speaker 4: is fun. Or you could go with Tim Anderson, I

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Speaker 2: Anderson's a great pick for that one. Okay, So moving

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Speaker 4: think that's one of the dangers of doing this in

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Speaker 3: a couple different, you know, by two or three different

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Speaker 3: roster spots. To me, it doesn't, It wouldn't hurt things

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Speaker 3: at all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it. I don't I think would

434
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 4: sully it much as long as you're staying within kind

435
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Speaker 4: of those parameters you were describing John, where it's made

436
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Speaker 4: to include the players who got snubbed because of this,

437
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 4: yes deserve you just add a few. So yeah, so

438
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,959
Speaker 4: you're getting your Max Suers and your Chris Bassetts and

439
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 4: your Manny Machado's in there. I think that's even better.

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Speaker 2: Now, another topic that might get you guys going, I

441
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Speaker 2: know it gets John going. The uniforms this year. John,

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Speaker 2: I know you were already telling us a little bit

443
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Speaker 2: pre show that you're very disappointed that everybody's got kind

444
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 2: of actual uniforms instead of their regular team uniform and representation.

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Speaker 2: What makes you so mad about it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What do we? I mean, what are we doing here?

448
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 3: Why are we Why are we ruining something that works?

449
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Speaker 3: And I'm a uniform guy, so I've always enjoyed, you know,

450
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Speaker 3: uniforms as they've evolved through the years. I'm a big eighties,

451
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,879
Speaker 3: nineties throwback uniform guy, so I love all the I

452
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 3: miss all the powder blues that was common throughout Major

453
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Speaker 3: League Baseball back in the back in the seventies and eighties,

454
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Speaker 3: and you know some of the some of the classic uniforms.

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Speaker 3: You saw the Padres go back to the brown and

456
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Speaker 3: the yellow, which is just amazing. When the Nationals do

457
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 3: a throwback to the Expos uniforms, I think that's phenomenal.

458
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Speaker 3: I hope Montreal gets a team and they call themselves

459
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Speaker 3: the Expos and bring the old uniforms back. Bring youpie

460
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Speaker 3: back on the whole thing. I'm a nostalgia guy, and

461
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Speaker 3: so one of my favorite things as a kid was

462
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Speaker 3: watching the Alles document, seeing all the uniforms at the

463
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Speaker 3: same time, and seeing all the logos at the same time,

464
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Speaker 3: seeing all the hats at the same time, those old

465
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Speaker 3: Pirates pillbox hats and and everything like that. I was

466
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Speaker 3: just I'm a total mark for for all that kind

467
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Speaker 3: of stuff. And now you've got not only are they

468
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Speaker 3: all the same dark blue or dark red or whatever

469
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Speaker 3: they are, you know, they're ugly looking, They're they're they

470
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Speaker 3: were invented by a small child somewhere in a in

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Speaker 3: a room, you know, someplace in in MLB headquarters. I

472
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Speaker 3: just it takes away from from the from the visual

473
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Speaker 3: beauty of it. I think, you know, it's it just

474
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Speaker 3: makes it kind of blood makes it. You know. It's

475
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Speaker 3: it's just it looks like it looks like a slow

476
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 3: pitch softball All Star League, you know. I mean, I

477
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Speaker 3: just get let the players wear the old unit, wear

478
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Speaker 3: their own uniforms and get them, you know, so you

479
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Speaker 3: can see them all at one time. I hate it.

480
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Speaker 3: I hate that they did this, but again, it's for marketing.

481
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Speaker 3: That's why they did it.

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Speaker 2: Brady, what about you? Does it bother you as much?

483
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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a historic day. John and I are

484
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Speaker 4: are on the exact same page here. I despise it,

485
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Speaker 4: and like John said, it's for marketing, you make more money.

486
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Speaker 4: I'm sure these things cost like four hundred dollars and

487
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Speaker 4: I'm sure people are going to eat them up the

488
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Speaker 4: way people are eating up the awful City Connect jerseys

489
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Speaker 4: for some reason that I don't understand. But I hate

490
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Speaker 4: it for all those same reasons. I mean, we were

491
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Speaker 4: talking about the American League outfield, Cedric Mullins potentially replacing

492
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Speaker 4: Mike Trout in the outfield. I was just thinking of

493
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Speaker 4: an outfield with a Baltimore Orioles jersey of Cedric Mullins,

494
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Speaker 4: the pinstripes of Aaron Judge, and a baby blue taoscar

495
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Speaker 4: Hernandez jersey. That's beautiful. That's the first thing I think

496
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Speaker 4: of when I think of the All Star Game as

497
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Speaker 4: an outfield with three different jerseys and infield with four

498
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Speaker 4: different jerseys, different colored caps, different color schemes. It's just

499
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Speaker 4: it's a celebration. Really, when you look at a field

500
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Speaker 4: that's not just full of the best players, but full

501
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Speaker 4: of all these different jerseys with different colors and designs.

502
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Speaker 4: That to me is how we really celebrate thirty teams

503
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Speaker 4: getting together and putting their best players forward for an

504
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Speaker 4: exhibition game. And I remember as a kid watching them

505
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Speaker 4: with all their own jerseys and it was just so fun.

506
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Speaker 4: It's just so fun to see so many different jerseys

507
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Speaker 4: in one game and so many different colors, and everyone

508
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Speaker 4: wearing the jerseys that they wear one hundred and sixty

509
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Speaker 4: two games a year. That that's how you identify them

510
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Speaker 4: in that jersey. And you lose a lot, in my opinion,

511
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Speaker 4: when you put them all in the same jerseys and

512
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 4: make them look like they're an intramural team or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you guys wholeheartedly on that topic.

514
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Speaker 2: And also I think one point is not every single

515
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: fan watching the All Star Game is a super fan,

516
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Speaker 2: you know. So there are going to be people that

517
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: pay attention to the National League and here people that

518
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: they might want to cheer for on the American League

519
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 2: or see and want to become a fan of, and

520
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 2: they're not gonna realize what team they are on. And

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00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 2: I think that's a big aspect that's missing from it

522
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: as well, one thing we haven't gotten into yet is

523
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Speaker 2: the fact that the All Star Game was supposed to

524
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Speaker 2: take place at Truest Park in Atlanta, but was moved

525
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Speaker 2: to Coors Field in Denver due to political reasons. So

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Speaker 2: now let's welcome in a guest Demitrius Bell of Talking

527
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Speaker 2: Chop to find out more on the situation. Demetrius, thank

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Speaker 2: you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get right into it. You've written about

531
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Speaker 2: it before. You're from Georgia. The NLB Draft and All

532
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 2: Star Weekend We're originally supposed to take place in Atlanta

533
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, then obviously got pushed back because of

534
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 2: the pandemic, and then ultimately it was moved to Corsfield

535
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Speaker 2: in Denver due to political Can you give us a

536
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: walk through of the reason for the move.

537
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Speaker 1: Basically all this stems from is there was a huge

538
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: controversy here in Georgia when Joe Biden won Georgia. For

539
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: the most part, this is all like a reaction from

540
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: Brian Kemp and the Republicans in the state who came

541
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Speaker 1: up with the law that was basically like a very

542
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: restrictive voting law. And you know, you've heard people saying like, oh,

543
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: there's nothing in the law that says that, oh, they're

544
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Speaker 1: specifically targeting black voters. But if you read the bill

545
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Speaker 1: and if like you see what the spirit of the

546
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: bill is, it is very clear who they were targeting

547
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Speaker 1: with that. And while it's a huge bummer that they

548
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Speaker 1: did take it out because, like I pointed out an

549
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Speaker 1: article I wrote, I was definitely looking forward to going

550
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Speaker 1: to basically all that stuff. I look at the home

551
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: run Derby, I get real sad because like they added

552
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Speaker 1: like people like Wan Sooto into it and show Hal

553
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: Twny and so it's a huge bummer. But at the

554
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Speaker 1: same time, it makes sense if you're doing stuff that

555
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Speaker 1: is restrictive to people when it comes through their basic

556
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: rights since it's voting, then you know, sometimes you have

557
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: paid consequence. And so it's a huge bummer. But it

558
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: was something that in my opinion, like I can understand

559
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Speaker 1: them doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to ask that as a black

561
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Speaker 2: man yourself, who's from the Atlanta area and covers the Braves,

562
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: what were your thoughts initially on MLB's decision to move

563
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: the event. So obviously you said you were bombed, did

564
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: you agree with it right away. Did you have to

565
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: like kind of look into it more?

566
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Speaker 1: Well, Like I had to like look into it considering

567
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Speaker 1: the history of events like this being moved out of

568
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Speaker 1: other cities because of similar infringements on human rights. Like

569
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Speaker 1: I know, one ex that I brought up was the

570
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl being moved out of Tempe, Arizona because they

571
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: didn't want to acknowledge Margaret the King Day as a holiday.

572
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: They literally moved that Super Bowl out there until they

573
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Speaker 1: acknowledged it as a holiday, and then they eventually had

574
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl thirty there and so again, like it was

575
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Speaker 1: a huge bummer, but I understood why, Like you know,

576
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Speaker 1: you hear folks talking about, like how well it's like

577
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: a huge destriment, financial destriment to the city of Atlanta

578
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Speaker 1: and the surrounding area, and like that may be true

579
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Speaker 1: that there may be like some local businesses who may

580
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: have been losing out on a little bit of foot

581
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Speaker 1: traffic that will come from the Austrow weekend. At the

582
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Speaker 1: same time, like you know, all those who have been

583
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Speaker 1: like very negligible, because like you hear this all the

584
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: time when it comes to like people who are threatening

585
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: to leave the city because of their trying to build

586
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: a new stadium, So I feel like it was in

587
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: a similar vein here and stuff like that. Initially it

588
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: was a barb, but like once you had to look

589
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: into the history of how leagues have treated issues like this,

590
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: it made sense and fail in love with what has

591
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: been done in the past.

592
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you brought up how the NFL moved the Super

593
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: Bowl out of Arizona because of Martin Luther King Day

594
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: not being recognized as a holiday in that state. But

595
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: then also in your article you mentioned the NBA most

596
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: recently moved the twenty seventeen All Star Weekend out of

597
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: Charlotte because of their discriminatory bill that was passed against

598
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: the LGBTQ community. So with those going on or happening before,

599
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: they did eventually reverse the laws and then brought the

600
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Speaker 2: events back into those states, do you see Atlanta reversing

601
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Speaker 2: this law and then, if so, do you see the

602
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: All Star Weekend coming back to Atlanta?

603
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Speaker 1: Wause Georgia. It's a very tricky situation because I think

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Speaker 1: I mentioned in that article that the only reason why

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Speaker 1: those situations change is because the power situation at the

606
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: top changed. However, because of what they're doing with the

607
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: voting restrictions, like it makes it very difficult to where

608
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Speaker 1: they could actually go on there and mess around with

609
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Speaker 1: the election results should you know, Governor Kent's position come

610
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Speaker 1: under fire in an election. So my thinking is that

611
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Speaker 1: like even if he does, like you know, lose the election,

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Speaker 1: he could you know, still find a way to clean

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Speaker 1: on the power. And if he does clean on the power,

614
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Speaker 1: and then the law is definitely not going to change

615
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: in that point. So I, of course I can't like

616
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: predict the future. We like as far as well. I

617
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: think it's looking a little grim in that department, but

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Speaker 1: we'll have, yeah.

619
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Speaker 2: More of a hope and hopefully it happens soon, but

620
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Speaker 2: you don't know exactly when to predict when it happens.

621
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will add that, like if that voting rights

622
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: bill that they've been talking about in Congress, if they

623
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: passed that, then maybe that will change some stuff. But

624
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Speaker 1: until then, it's not looking good in that department.

625
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Speaker 2: Now, the Braves, they didn't have the most appropriate response

626
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: to the move, stating that they were deeply disappointed in

627
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: the MLB's decision and that they could have used this

628
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: event the platform to enhance the discussion about the new

629
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: voter laws. Were you disappointed by the Braves response?

630
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, because I was definitely disappointed because the scene

631
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like they were a little i want

632
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: to say genuine in that, especially since like they have

633
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: spent this season dedicating it to Hank Aaron of all people,

634
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: who is he would have definitely been outspoken against the

635
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: voting rights bill that was passed. So hearing that coming

636
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: from the Braves, it seemed like, you know, they were

637
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: trying to talk like two sides out of their mouth

638
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: because like at once and one side they're trying to

639
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: hountor Hank Aaron and his legcy and what he's fit for.

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00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: At the same time they're trying to say that, oh,

641
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Speaker 1: it was a bad idea to do something that Hank

642
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: Aaron would have been in favor of more than likely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my next question about Hank Aaron. Do

644
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Speaker 2: you think I mean, he's known as being one of

645
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: a civil rights activist as as well as with his

646
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: obviously iconic baseball career, So do you think he would

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Speaker 2: have really stepped out and went against the Braves in

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Speaker 2: this because it is hypocritical, as you could say, because

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Speaker 2: they're honoring him all.

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Speaker 1: Seon Well, I wouldn't say that he would have had

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Speaker 1: like a fire responsor anything like that, but I definitely

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Speaker 1: believe that he probably would put out like a statement

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Speaker 1: that would clearly put where his position was at and

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Speaker 1: if more than likely would have been in contrary to

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Speaker 1: what the Braids put out in their statement.

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Speaker 2: Now, Demitriez, thank you so much for joining us again.

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Speaker 2: Before we let you go, let everyone know where they

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Speaker 2: can find you and some of the work you do

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Speaker 2: and all of your social media platforms they can reach

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Speaker 2: out to.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you can find me at Talking Chop where

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Speaker 1: I posted dick or usually post blocks about the Atlanta

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Speaker 1: Braids and they're going on from time to time. And

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Speaker 1: also I write about sports logos and uniforms for sports

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Speaker 1: and occasionally you can see me on Baseball Perspectus and

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Speaker 1: my social media is at pergo on Twitter, fbrgoe And

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Speaker 1: that's about it.

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Speaker 2: Perfect for everyone else. Stay tuned for more SB nation

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Speaker 2: All Star Weekend previews brought to you by T Mobile.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to SB Nation's MLB All Star Weekend preview

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Speaker 2: brought to you by T Mobile. Guys, let's look more

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Speaker 2: and more into the other aspects from around the league.

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Speaker 2: So first half stories we want to look at. We

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Speaker 2: mentioned Jacob de Gram already and we most likely won't

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Speaker 2: see him in the All Star Game, but he's having

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Speaker 2: an incredible season on the mound, one that's probably the

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Speaker 2: best for all. I mean, I'm a little younger than

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Speaker 2: you guys, but one of the best that we've probably

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Speaker 2: all been able to see. He's pitched ninety two innings

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00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: so far, has a seven to two record, a one

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Speaker 2: point zero eight ERA, and one hundred and forty six

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Speaker 2: strikeouts so far. What can you guys speak on that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, he has been the best pitcher in

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Speaker 3: baseball for the last couple of years. He's now moving

685
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Speaker 3: into that upper echelon of you know, classic Pedro Martinez

686
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: type stuff here, even better than classic Pedro Martinez. And

687
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: he's he's essentially cementing himself as a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 3: which is kind of cool to watch happen in real time.

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Speaker 3: You know, you get to see a guy. And the

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Speaker 3: funny thing about Jacob de Gram is that when when

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Speaker 3: he was in the minors, he didn't throw like this,

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Speaker 3: He didn't have this kind of velocity. He wasn't throwing

693
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Speaker 3: ninety eight ninety nine one hundred miles an hour, So

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Speaker 3: nobody really kind of saw this coming from him. I

695
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: think he was a pretty good prospect, but he was

696
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Speaker 3: never a guy where you thought there's a future Hall

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Speaker 3: of Famer there. But it just goes to show you

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Speaker 3: that when you get to the major league level you

699
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Speaker 3: can still continue to develop as a player. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: all happen in the minor leagues. And so watching him

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Speaker 3: do what he's done since he came to the big

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Speaker 3: league level is really kind of amazing. And to have

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Speaker 3: the season he's having, I know it's the year of

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00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: the pitcher, but even once Major League Baseball started checking

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Speaker 3: for the sticky stuff, the numbers didn't drop off. He's

706
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Speaker 3: continuing to do what he does and it's kind of

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Speaker 3: amazing to see. So we haven't seen, we haven't seen.

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Speaker 3: I mean this, I guess the comparison is like to

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Speaker 3: Clayton Kershaw at his best, just from last decade, you know,

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Speaker 3: is I think what we're seeing might even be a

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Speaker 3: little bit more impressive than what Clayton Kershaw was doing

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Speaker 3: when Kershaw was in his prime just a few years ago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been it's been just phenomenal to watch above

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Speaker 4: all else. But to John's point of de Grom kind

715
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Speaker 4: of not necessarily being this big of a prospect. I mean,

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Speaker 4: few people ever are big enough prospect that you expect

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Speaker 4: this type of greatness out of them. But to me,

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Speaker 4: he's kind of the poster boy for this, this era

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Speaker 4: of Major League baseball where you're seeing a lot of

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Speaker 4: teams with new modern analytics departments, developmental staffs, and they're

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Speaker 4: really being able to take players and help them reach

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Speaker 4: levels that you didn't think they'd be able to reach

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Speaker 4: if you were watching them in high school or college

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Speaker 4: or even in the minors, sometimes even their first few

725
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Speaker 4: years in the majors. And so to me, de Grom,

726
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Speaker 4: the way that he's been able to increase his velocity,

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Speaker 4: the way he's been able to increase his spin rate,

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Speaker 4: the way that he's been able to hone in on

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Speaker 4: certain pitches, to me just all screams this new era

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Speaker 4: of baseball where you're really able to get the most

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Speaker 4: out of these players, and it's not always going to

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Speaker 4: be the player who looked the best when they were

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Speaker 4: twenty or looked the best in Double A. There are

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Speaker 4: some of these diamonds in the rough that look like

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Speaker 4: they'll be all right, and then you give them the

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Speaker 4: right tools, you tap into something that they can change

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Speaker 4: mechanically or philosophically, and suddenly you have a player who,

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Speaker 4: like John said, it is blossoming into a Hall of

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Speaker 4: Famer right before our eyes. And really the dominance is

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Speaker 4: I mean you said Peedro Martinez, John, I think that's

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Speaker 4: a perfect comparison. I do think he's been better this

742
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Speaker 4: year than we've seen even from the best of Clayton Kershaw.

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Speaker 4: You really have to go to a player like Pedro

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Speaker 4: Martinez to see this type of dominance where you're not

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00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 4: just putting up good numbers, but you really look unhittable.

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Speaker 4: I mean, de gram had four earned runs through his

747
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 4: first twelve starts. He's had double digit strikeouts seven times

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Speaker 4: in fifteen starts, fourteen or more strikeouts four times in

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Speaker 4: fifteen starts. That's nan pace to have eight or nine

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Speaker 4: games of fourteen or more strikeouts. We don't usually get

751
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Speaker 4: that from all of base fall in a season. So

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00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 4: the way he's been doing it, it looks sustainable, which

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00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 4: is amazing. It's just fun to watch because there are

754
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 4: few things in baseball. I know everyone loves home runs,

755
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 4: but there are a few things in baseball that are

756
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 4: as exciting as a pitcher who just generally genuinely looks

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00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 4: like he can't be hit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's reminiscent of Bob Gibson in the sixties, which

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00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: I am too young for, so I've just to clear

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00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: that up. But if you look at the if you

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Speaker 3: look at the numbers from Bob Gibson in the sixties,

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is what Bob Gibson did. He was

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Speaker 3: he was so far head and shoulders ahead of where

764
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 3: the hitters were at that time. It was just overpowering

765
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 3: and could do whatever he wanted out there. And that's

766
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Speaker 3: kind of what we're seeing with the Grom right now.

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00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: It is a it's a modern day Bob Gibson. It's

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Speaker 3: it is. You're right. We hear a lot about well,

769
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Speaker 3: there's too many strikeouts, there's too many walks, and listen,

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Speaker 3: there's a fair amount of that is a fair amount

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00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: of that is accurate and true, and we need more

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00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: balls put in play. But the special pitchers. No one

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00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: ever complained about watching Nolan Ryan strike out five thousand

774
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: some odd players. So there are some pitchers who do

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00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 3: it with bit of flair, and it's it's kind of

776
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 3: fun to watch, and you know when you watch the ground,

777
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: he could throw a perfect game any night that he's

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00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: out there.

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Speaker 2: Another player that's having a fantastic year. Show Hey Otani.

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00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: He's been called superhuman, he's been called the modern day

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00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: Babe Ruth, which I know neither of you guys were

782
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: around for he's been pitching. He'll throw a ball over

783
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: one hundred miles per hour and then go and hit

784
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: a four hundred and fifty foot home run the next

785
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: half inning. He's got twelve stolen bases, so it's not

786
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: even like he just needs the jog. He's an actual

787
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: all around athlete. He could hit the sixty run or

788
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: sixty home run mark this year.

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Speaker 4: What about that?

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Speaker 2: Is there anybody that you can think of in your

791
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: time that even compares to the I don't even know

792
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 2: what to call him? Superhuman and modern day Baby Ruth

793
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 2: is really the closest thing I can think to compare

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00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: to him. Is there anything else that you guys can

795
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: think of?

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Speaker 4: You have to go way way back before my time

797
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 4: to find anyone doing anything comparable in my life. Guys,

798
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 4: what he's doing is it's just on a different levels.

799
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 4: It just hasn't been done in so long, and I

800
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 4: don't think anyone thought it would ever be done, that

801
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 4: we could have a two way player in this era

802
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 4: where pitchers are throwing as hard as they can and

803
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 4: have as many specialty pitches as they can. You know,

804
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 4: the reason that pitchers are such bad hitters is hitting

805
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 4: is just so hard now and you need to dedicate

806
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 4: so much time to the timing of it. And most

807
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 4: pitchers aren't going to do that, can't do that, wouldn't

808
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: have good results even if they did do that. It's

809
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 4: really just unprecedented, unprecedented, and I really don't think anyone

810
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 4: thought that this could happen. And I remember when Shoeotni

811
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 4: got posted, you know, however many years ago that was,

812
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 4: and I really wanted the Giants to sign him because

813
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: I just liked the concept. I've always wanted a two

814
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 4: way player. I thought that has just so much fun.

815
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 4: And I expected, Ow, maybe you're a number four, number

816
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: five starter and a decent you know, six or seven

817
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 4: hit or in the lineup, and instead what we have

818
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 4: is the best home run hitter in baseball right now,

819
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 4: and one of the best pitchers, and genuinely one of

820
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 4: the best pitchers with a few of the best pitches,

821
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Speaker 4: and that's just ridiculous to not only be a star

822
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 4: on both ends, but to be someone who would who

823
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: is competing for a cy Young as a pitcher and

824
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 4: would be competing for an MVP as a hitter, even

825
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 4: if you took out his contributions as a pitcher. It's unbelievable.

826
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, when you think about the reason why

827
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 3: pitchers have traditionally never been really good hitters is that

828
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: if you're going to be a really successful major league hitter,

829
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: you spend all of your time on that craft, right.

830
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you are breaking down video of every pitcher.

831
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 3: You're working in the cage on your swing over and

832
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: over again. You're focused, and you're doing your field work,

833
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: but you're focusing on being a hitter. That is your job.

834
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Speaker 3: If you're going to be a really good major league pitcher,

835
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: one of the best major league pitchers in baseball, that's

836
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Speaker 3: all you do. You're not exhausting yourself by being in

837
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: the cage all the time, and you know you're you're

838
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 3: constantly working on your grip, you're constantly looking at your mechanics,

839
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: you're constantly looking at everything like that To kind of

840
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 3: figure out, you know, what you can do better, you know,

841
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: and you're constantly looking at scouting reports of hitters you're

842
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: gonna face coming up. So I don't even know logistically

843
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: how sho Heo Tani manages to do both of these

844
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: things other than he's just so naturally so much more

845
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: naturally gifted than any other Major League baseball player we

846
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: have seen, perhaps ever in the history of the league.

847
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: That it's it's really hard to quantify what he's doing.

848
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: The fact that he can go out there and he

849
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 3: can lead major League Baseball in home runs and steal

850
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: bases and to hit for a high average and a

851
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: good on base percentage. I mean it's not like he's

852
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: just these are empty home runs. I mean he's he's

853
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: producing every single night that he's out there, and then

854
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: go out on the mound and and be one of

855
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: the better pitchers in the American League. It's it's we

856
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: haven't ever seen anything like this before. I mean, we

857
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: used to get excited when Madison Bumgarner would come to

858
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 3: the plate because think, oh, Bumgardner is a pretty good

859
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: pitcher hitter for a pitch, you know, he hits the

860
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Speaker 3: two fifty two sixty. He hits about, you know, five

861
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: or six bombs a year, but the Giants never had

862
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: any thought of having him play the outfield when he

863
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: wasn't pitching. And you know, Shoeotani has the advantage of

864
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 3: being able to DH while he's in the American League,

865
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: so that's that's a big thing, and the Giants never

866
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 3: had that with Bumgarner. But you know, Zach greenk was

867
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: another guy who who could always hit as a pitcher.

868
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: You know, there have been there have been pitchers who

869
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: could hit, but you never ever looked at any of

870
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: those guys as being an everyday player on the four

871
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: days that they don't pitch, and then a guy who

872
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: takes the mount and shoves every fifth day. So no,

873
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 3: and I don't even know. And Babe Ruth, you know,

874
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: Babe Ruth didn't really hit his heights as a power

875
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: hitter until he stopped pitching. So when you look at

876
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: Babe Ruth, he didn't pitch throughout his career as well

877
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 3: as hit. What we're seeing with Otani is something that

878
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: we may never see again. Because baseball's been played for

879
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: a really long time. We've never seen anything like this.

880
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 4: Before, and it's only getting harder to do it, in

881
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 4: my opinion, with right, with the talent and the advancements

882
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 4: in player performance and physicality. I mean, you know, Babe Ruth,

883
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 4: even if he had been doing what Otani was doing,

884
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: he would have been doing it off of you know,

885
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 4: eighty five mile an hour pitches instead of one hundred

886
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 4: mile an hour pitches. The sport's getting harder, and being

887
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: able to do what Otani is doing is getting harder.

888
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: I think, I think, I know you're I know what

889
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 2: you guys are going to say on this next question.

890
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: But do you feel that Otani's stardom I guess you

891
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: can say. I feel like everywhere you look about baseball,

892
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 2: it's always show Hey Otani, sho hey Otani. Do you

893
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: feel like it's stealing some of de Gram's season and

894
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: stardom that he's having this year, And do you think

895
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: it's rightfully so?

896
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: I think major League Baseball has been waiting for sho

897
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: heyo Tani and a story like this because in sports

898
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: there are certain players that transcend the sport, right. I mean,

899
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: basketball has a number of those, a number of those guys,

900
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 3: but guys like but guys like Lebron and Kobe and

901
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: all those guys they transcend the sport. You know, football

902
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: has some of those guys. Brady is one of those guys.

903
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is one of those guys. Baseball has been

904
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 3: looking for a guy like that for some time. Mike Trout.

905
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: They've always wanted Mike Trout to be that guy, and

906
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 3: Trout just has never been interested in being that transcendent figure.

907
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 3: Transcendent player for sure, but not that transcendent figure. Shoeyo

908
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: Tani is that guy. You know, he doesn't Again, now

909
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: he's from Japan, so he he doesn't necessarily you know,

910
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: he's he's not gonna be doing car commercials just just

911
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 3: yet because he's still getting acclimated to living life in

912
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: the United States. I'm sure, you know, it's it's definitely not.

913
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: You know, he's English is not his first language, so

914
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: there's probably a lot of that going on. But I

915
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: don't know how well he speaks English or anything like that.

916
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 3: But just the fact that he is doing what he's doing.

917
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 3: He's not just a sports story. He's a news story,

918
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: and baseball hasn't had a guy like that in a

919
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: long time. I'm trying to think of the last guy

920
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: who was a news story in a good way, you know,

921
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: like the Astros were a news story in a bad way.

922
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: You know, you've got you've had players come down the pike,

923
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: the steroid era, players in a bad way becoming news stories.

924
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 3: Shoeyo Tani is the first real good news story probably, Gosh,

925
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: I can't remember the last one since this Sosa Maguire

926
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: home run chase, and even that in later years got tainted.

927
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 3: So it's it's definitely it's I don't think there's anything

928
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: wrong with him overshadowing Jacob de Grom because this is

929
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: an unprecedented story.

930
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I fully agree. It's unprecedented is really the perfect

931
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: word for it. You know, John mentioned earlier that o'tanni

932
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 4: has the case for being the most talented player in

933
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 4: major league history. I think there's a case that this

934
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 4: is the most impressive season in major league history. What

935
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 4: he's doing really might go down as the greatest, most

936
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 4: impressive season we've ever seen, and he might turn around

937
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 4: and do better next year for all we know. So yeah,

938
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: I don't have any problem just because you know, what

939
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 4: de Grom is doing is great, it's elite, it's incredible.

940
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 4: We've seen it a lot of times, and what O'tani's

941
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 4: doing is truly transcended. With that said, I do think

942
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: baseball over the last twenty or so year, maybe even more,

943
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 4: has had a very difficult time promoting itself, has had

944
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 4: a very difficult time marketing it's star players. So just

945
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 4: because Otani should be the top building, I don't think

946
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 4: excuses major League Baseball for doing such a bad job

947
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 4: with de Grom and with other players. Those players should

948
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 4: be promoted more heavily. We should, we should see more

949
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 4: of them, we should have more reason to get excited.

950
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 4: There should be a larger reach to players out or

951
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 4: to fans outside of their team's market. I think Major

952
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 4: League Baseball has really failed there. So I think de

953
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 4: Grom deserves more, but he doesn't deserve whatever he deserves.

954
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 4: If Tani deserves even more because he is he is

955
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 4: a superstar at the highest level.

956
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: Now, the MLB trade deadline is coming up at the

957
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: end of the month. What are your guys top moves,

958
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: top players to watch these next few weeks.

959
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 4: I'm very curious to see if Max Scherzer gets traded.

960
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 4: I know there's been a lot of talk there. It's

961
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 4: always a difficult thing with a Scott Morris and there

962
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 4: have been a lot of you know, rumors and reports

963
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 4: that they won't accept a trade unless it comes with

964
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: an extension as well, and our team's going to be

965
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 4: willing to do that, I'm not sure, but you know,

966
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 4: that's the one player who I really see as being

967
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 4: a potentially available needle mover who could create a very

968
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 4: interesting dynamic at the trade deadline. But as for a

969
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 4: larger story that I'm really interested in is just to

970
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 4: see what the market becomes at the deadline, because the

971
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 4: trade deadline has really been shifting a lot in the

972
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: last few years, and especially as teams become a little

973
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 4: bit more analytically savvy, they've been more hesitant to part

974
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 4: with prospects. They've been happier to look for maybe waiver

975
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 4: wire claims or under the radar players who they think

976
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 4: they can make a tweak on and develop a little

977
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 4: bit and have them fill that hole. We're not seeing

978
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 4: quite as many of those big packages where teams are trading,

979
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 4: you know, a top ten prospect for a rental reliever.

980
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: That just isn't happening very much. But there are so

981
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 4: many teams this year that have to feel like they

982
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 4: legitimately have a chance to compete for a World Series,

983
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 4: but aren't even a guarantee to get in the playoffs.

984
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: It's just been that kind of a year that we

985
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 4: might end up with a bidding war that forces some

986
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 4: of these teams that have been hesitant to give up

987
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 4: assets are suddenly going to have to do it just

988
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 4: to stay in that bidding war.

989
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to Brady's point, the starting pitching market is

990
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 3: really weak, and given where the Nationals are in the

991
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 3: National leagueest they got on a hot streak when Kyle

992
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: Schwarber was going nuts, I'm not so sure they're going

993
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 3: to be looking to sell Max Scherzer. And if Max

994
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 3: Scherzer is not on the block, the best guy probably

995
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 3: is Kyle Gibson of the Rangers, and I'm not moving

996
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 3: big pieces if Kyle Gibson is my number one target.

997
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 3: I think the most fascinating team to watch here is

998
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: what the Yankees.

999
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 4: Do? You know?

1000
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 3: I think Fangrafts has them at like thirty eight percent

1001
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: to make the playoffs. That's not a small percentage. Certainly

1002
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 3: teams have come back from much longer odds to go

1003
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 3: to the postseason. But you've got in the division. The

1004
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 3: Red Sox were playing really well, you've got a raised

1005
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 3: team that went to the World Series last year and

1006
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: has a lot of young talent, and you've got the

1007
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: Blue Jays, So I think are a better team than

1008
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: the Yankees right now. So the Yankees I think are

1009
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 3: the fourth best team in that division right now. Do

1010
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 3: they contemplate trading away Aaron Judge? You know, Aaron Judge

1011
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: is going to be a free agent after this year.

1012
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: You know, they they could go out and they could

1013
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: trade e rold As Chapman. You know, they could trade

1014
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: Chad Green if they're The idea of a Yankee selloff

1015
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: just seems so antithetical of what they normally do. But

1016
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 3: it might be the smart thing for them to do

1017
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: to deal away Aaron Judge. And that's going to be

1018
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 3: a fascinating, a fascinating couple of weeks for Brian Cashman.

1019
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 3: Does he have the stones to trade away Aaron Judge?

1020
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: Would the New York fan base let him do that

1021
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 3: if he felt it was the right thing for the team.

1022
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure that they that he.

1023
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: Can real quick, Do you guys see anything with the

1024
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: National League West, anything happening out there to push some

1025
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: of those teams up higher, get the leverage out there.

1026
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 4: I don't actually think that any of those teams are

1027
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 4: going to get too crazy at the deadline, to be honest,

1028
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 4: I think they all have a process that they believe in.

1029
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 4: You know, the Dodgers have been arguably Baseball's best team

1030
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 4: for many years now. They're not one to panic, especially

1031
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 4: with the amount of players that they're going to be

1032
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 4: welcoming back off the injured list. I think the Padres

1033
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 4: have already sold so many assets to get to the

1034
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 4: point where they're at, and they're pretty comfortable with their

1035
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 4: team even though they're third in the division. And the Giants,

1036
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 4: I just don't see the Giants being willing to give

1037
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 4: up any assets. Maybe a small move here and there,

1038
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: but they're overperforming, They're way ahead of expectations, they're way

1039
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,479
Speaker 4: ahead of schedule. I'm sure a lot of fans would

1040
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: love them to swing a big move to try and

1041
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 4: stay ahead of the Dodgers, But in reality, as good

1042
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 4: as they've been this year, they're still looking a little

1043
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 4: bit down the road and I don't think they're going

1044
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 4: to part with anything so in their own unique ways,

1045
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 4: I think all three of those teams are pretty comfortable

1046
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 4: with where they are and I don't see any of

1047
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 4: them really giving up any big prospects unless you know,

1048
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 4: John brought up Aaron Judge, which would be a fascinating case.

1049
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 4: And we know that the Dodgers don't just sit around

1050
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 4: and let players like Aaron Judge hit the market and

1051
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 4: not start calling the phone. So if there's if there's

1052
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 4: a big name out there, the Dodgers are always going

1053
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 4: to get in.

1054
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was going to say too. I

1055
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 3: think the Dodgers, if you're gonna I think there. I

1056
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: think they have to be nervous by what they're seeing

1057
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: from the Padres and the Giants too. And I wonder

1058
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 3: about a second half fade from the Giants, but I mean,

1059
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: they're getting so much good production from their from their

1060
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 3: veterans and Posey, you know, Posey and Crawford, and it

1061
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 3: just it's Gossman. I don't know if Gosman can continue

1062
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: to do what he's been doing so far this year,

1063
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: but I would expect I would expect the Giants to

1064
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 3: fade a little bit here in the second half and

1065
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: for this to become a two team race. But that

1066
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: being said, Dodgers never sit still. The Dodgers never just

1067
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: just hang on. I mean, they won their World Series

1068
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: last year, so the pressure's off. But I still think

1069
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 3: that this is a franchise that that once to once

1070
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: to create a dynasty for themselves, and so yeah, I

1071
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: could easily see them going out out and strengthening is

1072
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: starting pitching rotation, which at the beginning of the year

1073
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Speaker 3: everybody thought was loaded, but has suffered some injuries. You

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Speaker 3: don't know what Kershaw is going to how long he's

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Speaker 3: going to be out, you don't know what he's going

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Speaker 3: to be like when he gets back, and so there's

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Speaker 3: a couple of things that Dodgers could do that I

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Speaker 3: think if any team's going to make a push, it's

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Speaker 3: going to be them.

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Speaker 2: Now, there have been some rule changes this year. I'm

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Speaker 2: just curious which one do you guys think is the

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00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 2: most ridiculous? Which ones do you like? So obviously we

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00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: have the sticky stuff checking pitchers. There's also talk about

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Speaker 2: making an all around DH for the whole league, and

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Speaker 2: then the extra innings free base runner kind of thing,

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Speaker 2: which one bothers you guys most.

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Speaker 3: Well, for me, the one that bothers me the most

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Speaker 3: is the extra innings free base runner. I mean, we're

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Speaker 3: not playing with football. What are we doing here? I mean,

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Speaker 3: is it really going to hurt us to have a

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Speaker 3: fifteen inning baseball game? One of the you know some

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Speaker 3: of again, what makes baseball really crazy and kooky and

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00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 3: one of the greatest games and the most the games

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Speaker 3: that you really remember are the eighteen inning games. Nineteen games.

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Speaker 3: They're unicorns. They don't happen very often. They don't happen

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Speaker 3: every year. So when they happen, it's okay. Yes, you

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Speaker 3: have to figure out as a manager, how you're gonna

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Speaker 3: deal with that for the next few days. It can

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00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: it can mess you up for a week. It's sure

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Speaker 3: ken score a run, you know, I mean, then you

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Speaker 3: don't have a nineteen inning game. There's a solution to this.

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Speaker 3: Score a run, beat the team earlier. It does give

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00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 3: you more action having the base runner start on second

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Speaker 3: base with nobody out, But it's to me, it's a

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00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 3: weasel's way out. I just I don't like that role.

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00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 3: I want to see teams that you have to as

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Speaker 3: a manager be thinking. You know, if this game goes long,

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Speaker 3: I can't blow everyone in the first nine innings of

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00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: this game. Otherwise I'm gonna be I'm gonna be up

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Speaker 3: a tree if this game goes into the fourteenth or

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00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 3: fifteenth inning. So everybody who wants managers to be having

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00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 3: to think ahead and to think, you know, multiple moves

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00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: down the road, they don't have to do that if

1114
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: they know the game's not gonna go past the tenth

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00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 3: or eleventh inning. So I think it's silly. I think

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00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 3: it's dumb. And somebody brought up an interesting point to

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00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 3: me too. What if there is a pitcher who has

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00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: a perfect game and he pitches into the tenth inning

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00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 3: and you get the runner to start on second base,

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Speaker 3: and they sacrifice the guy over to third base and

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00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: it is sacrifice fly to score the winning run. The

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00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: guy has not given up a hit or a walk,

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Speaker 3: he has not put anybody on base, and yet he

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00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: loses one to nothing. Is that a perfect game? That's

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Speaker 3: why it's a dumb rule.

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Speaker 4: For you. Raty, I could not agree more with anything

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00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 4: he said that everything I co sign a million percent.

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Speaker 4: I've had this debate with a lot of people about

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00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 4: the perfect game that whether that qualifies as a perfect

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00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 4: game or not. Everyone has seems to have very strong

1131
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 4: opinions as to whether that does. Except me. I'm I'm

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00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 4: I'm so lost on it because everything about it is

1133
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 4: so stupid.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how I feel about it.

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00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's very weird. But so I think that

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00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 4: the extranding rule is you know, they're selling it as

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00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 4: health and safety, trying to keep teams from getting over

1138
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 4: exerted and blah blah blah. To me, what it really

1139
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 4: is about is Rob Manfred thinking, you just watch nine

1140
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 4: innings of baseball. There's no way you want to watch

1141
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 4: more of this. Yeah, you're done, You're tired. And I

1142
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 4: hate that. I hate the idea that I just invested

1143
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 4: three hours in my life watching this game, and now

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00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 4: you're going to arbitrarily change the rules so that you

1145
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 4: can make an end. That is just it's ridiculous. To me.

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00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 4: I watch baseball because I love baseball. You want to

1147
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 4: give me a tenth, eleventh, twelfth inning. Great, that's three

1148
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 4: more innings than I thought I was going to get

1149
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 4: when I sat down on the couch. That is that's

1150
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 4: what I want as a baseball fan. And I feel like,

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00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 4: you know, not to go on a tangent here, but

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00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 4: baseball in general has gone in this general direction of

1153
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 4: instead of trying to make baseball be baseball. They're kind

1154
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 4: of trying to pander to people who don't like baseball,

1155
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 4: and that's a very weird thing to me. And I'm

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00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 4: also just fundamentally opposed to the idea of having rules

1157
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 4: change at certain points of the game. Why would you

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00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 4: have a different rule in the tenthony than you had

1159
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 4: in the first nine in eights, that's a different sport

1160
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 4: you're now playing, and that's that's silly to me. As

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00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 4: for your other question, Sam, about rules that we like, truthfully,

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00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 4: I don't really like any of them, any of these

1163
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 4: new rules that have been coming up, other than the

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00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 4: expanded roster to twenty six players. I think that's a

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00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: good one. But the sticky stuff is an interesting one

1166
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 4: for me. I don't have a strong opinion about it

1167
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 4: one way or another. But the one thing I do

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00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 4: like about it is the consistency that is at least

1169
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 4: somewhat being applied now, and it's gone to ridiculous levels.

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00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 4: I think, you know, having players get undressed on the

1171
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 4: field a few times a game is ridiculous, and they

1172
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 4: need to find a different way to enforce consistency. But

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00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 4: whether you are banning substances or totally allowing them. What

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00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 4: there needs to be is a consistent enforcement and a

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00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 4: consistent rule for it so that we're not having situations

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00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 4: like we've had in the past where some players you know,

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00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 4: are using it, but then other players are getting stopped

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00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 4: by other teams asking for checks and whatnot, and you

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00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 4: just end up with everyone all over the place. Choose

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Speaker 4: one side and go with.

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Speaker 3: It, right. I'm reminded of that scene in The Naked

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00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 3: Gun where Leslie Nielsen goes out to check the picture

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00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 3: and he's got a jar vasline under his hat and

1184
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 3: then they find like a like a power's drill or

1185
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 3: something in his back pocket or something like that. I mean, yeah,

1186
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 3: there are there have been rules in place against against

1187
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 3: foreign substances for a while there. I think there would

1188
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 3: have been a there was a better way to do this,

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00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 3: to to to enforce this than to just spring it

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00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 3: on everybody in the middle of the season. That being said,

1191
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 3: pitchers should not be allowed to use any more than

1192
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 3: just the bare minimum of what they need to be

1193
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 3: able to hold the baseball and not have it slip

1194
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: out of their hands. As for the DH around universal DH,

1195
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 3: bring me the universal DH. I'm a nationallygue guy, no more.

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00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 3: Pictures hitting. Give me the universal DH. It's part of

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Speaker 3: my brand hashtag DH.

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Speaker 4: To the nationally.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so real quick, before we leave this episode, we

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Speaker 2: have some rapid fire fun prop bets now we created,

1201
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: so don't go looking for him. I don't know, one

1202
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 2: or two might pop up because they might like them.

1203
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 2: But real quick, you guys, got like a second on

1204
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: either of these over under ten total runs.

1205
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 3: Scored over the All Star Game?

1206
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 2: Under and what'd you say, Brady over over?

1207
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 4: I like it? Who hits the.

1208
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: First home run? The AL or the NL and a bonus?

1209
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: If you give me a player, I'll say NL and

1210
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 3: give me ped Alonzo. Oh no, no, Peter A. Lonzo is

1211
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: not in the starting lineup. What am I talking about?

1212
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 3: Your starting lineup? Give me Freddy Freeman.

1213
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 4: I'll go Al and Salvado Prez.

1214
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: The first out? Is it a strikeout, a groundout or

1215
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 2: a flyout?

1216
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 3: Strikeout?

1217
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 4: Strike out?

1218
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 2: How fast will the first pitch be? You gottas think

1219
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: it's na be a fastball? Right? Yeah?

1220
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 3: Ninety eight miles an hour.

1221
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 4: I'll go ninety nine.

1222
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 2: How many total pitches will be used or pitchers.

1223
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 4: Will be used?

1224
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 3: Let's see, you probably have like seven or eight percide,

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00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 3: I'll say sixteen.

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00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 4: Let go fourteen.

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00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: How many strikeouts it's total?

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00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 3: A billion?

1229
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 4: Yeah? A billion feels like thright answer. I will go

1230
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,479
Speaker 4: with twenty six.

1231
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say twenty five. That sounds about right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And finally, who wins MVP show?

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00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 4: Hey show?

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00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 3: It just feels in. It feels just like it's it's destiny.

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Speaker 2: Oh, what an incredible ending that would be. Thank you

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00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: all so much for joining us on SV Nation's first

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Speaker 2: at sam Will's eighteen on Twitter and Instagram. John where

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Speaker 2: can they find you?

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Speaker 3: At the unique Twitter handle at John Stoleness so creative?

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Speaker 1: What about you, Brady.

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00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 4: At the poorly branded for this episode at Brady Klopp

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Speaker 4: for NBA.

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Speaker 2: Oh here. Yeah. We'll be back early Monday morning for

1247
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: our reactions to Round one of the MLB Draft, as

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00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: well as hosting a live show during the home run.

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Speaker 3: Derby on My Night.

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Speaker 2: We'll also have some special guests joining us throughout the weekend,

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00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: so make sure to look out for those. But for now,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to you later.