1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Kaboom. If you've thought four hours a day, minutes a 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: week was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: of the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: rich pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearinghouse of hot takes, 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with Ben 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Maller starts right now, hold your horses. We are back 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: at it. The weekend is underway. It is a Friday 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: edition of the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller and David Gascon. 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: Unfortunately west of the four or five, because four hours 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: a night not enough on the overnight. This the spinoff show. 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: You found it, You have found the talk of the 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: podcast world. We do this eight days a week, and 14 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: every Friday we attempt to have a conversation, a chit 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: chat with someone, someone in the wacky world of sports 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: that we like, or know or want to know. And 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: that is what today's podcast is all about. We will 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: tell you who we're chatting with in a minute. Guest count. 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: But we have survived another week of the radio a 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: wars the radio Wars. Here we are surviving and back 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: at it again. In the podcast. Now, are we moving 22 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: the Mallard Mansion to a a more um diverse city 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: and state since we have done so with Major League 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: Baseball's All Star Game? Are we doing that with the 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: Mallar militia and the Mallard Mansion? The third roiotam, that's 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: the third route out there. I don't know what you're 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: talking about. Man, I you know, life goes quick. You 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: know you gotta gotta stay up with the stay up 29 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: with the noise. There, my man, stay up with them 30 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: against Rob Manfred could have moved at to Tampa right now. 31 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: Rob Manford, My goodness. Uh, we should just do a 32 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: podcast bashing Rob Manford. But this would not be the 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: podcast to be doing that today. This would not be it. 34 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: But we have some long opinions about Major League Baseball 35 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: and their decision to move the All Star Game. And 36 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: the good news is we've been proven correct and the 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: amount of criticism that Major League Baseball has gotten has 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: been immence. But we do love baseball despite all the noise, 39 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: at least I do. I have been enjoying the I 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: don't know about you, but I've been I've been enjoying 41 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: the hell out of the baseball season. I've been watching 42 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: tons of games here, and you know, during the day, 43 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: I wake up and for most people it's the afternoon. 44 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: For me, it's the morning, and I'll flip a game 45 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: on and I don't care whether it's a Marlin's game 46 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: or a Mariners game or whoever. Check out a little baseball. 47 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: I love it great. A little add that Oakland got 48 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: its first one of the season off of the Dodgers, 49 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: But as soon as I know Kenley Jensen came into 50 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: the ninth inning and a runner got on Matt Chapman, 51 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: I knew ball game was over blown save and a 52 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: loss was coming the Dodgers way. It is fascinating that 53 00:02:54,720 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: Kenley Jansen, who was at one point wonderful, is still 54 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: encouraged to go out and be the closer when he's 55 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: been very mediocre. It boggles the mind. Really. For years, 56 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: Kenley Jansen has been doing a tightrope walk on the 57 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: regular and despite Dave Roberts knowing the risk of sending 58 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: Jansen out there, he continues to do it. And now, 59 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: the way I look at this not that we're breaking 60 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: this down because we're gonna talk some some baseball. With 61 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: the Dodge arrival in a minute here. But the thing 62 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: about the dynamic with the Dodgers, my theory is every 63 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: time Jansen goes out and pukes all over the mount 64 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: I don't get upset because I feel like we're closer 65 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: to him being removed as the closer, Like he's getting 66 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: near the end of the rope there. So I think 67 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: that's a good thing. So every time he blows a save, 68 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: that means later on someone else player X, whether they 69 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: trade for that player, it's somebody else in the bullpen 70 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: will get the opportunity to sink their teeth in as 71 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: the closer. So that's that's what I like, no doubt. 72 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean that in Baltimore beat the Yankees the other day, 73 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: to Red Sox got off to a horrific start. I mean, 74 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: it's not all bad. I saw Nick Castellanos get ejected 75 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: or not injected, suspended for a couple of games because 76 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: he was talking at home played after sliding in safely 77 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: on a wild pitch doing the mad dog. He was 78 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: doing the mad dog. Can't do the mad dog in baseball. 79 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: The Cardinals won't allow it. The Cardinal way. It's gonna 80 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: be all buttoned up. The St. Louis cars it's always 81 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: that Yaddi Ra Molina who's always griping and complaining about 82 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: playing baseball the right way, the cardinal way. You know, 83 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: it's so annoying, so annoyed, But I can't pip yourself. 84 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: When you slide in safely at home in game two 85 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: of one sixty two, you can celebrate. You can live 86 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: life there. People in the crowd there that paid their money. 87 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: They want to be entertained. And it is plausibly the 88 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: entertainment business. Last I heard it was the entertainment business. 89 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: But now anyway, entertaining as it is. Do you think 90 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: there's mass panic in San Diego? And are you hoping 91 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: for mass panic? No? Listen, I love San Diego. I 92 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: got my start in radio in San Diego. I have 93 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: fond memories of hanging out at the old Jack Murphy 94 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: Stadium qual Calm whatever they called it at the end there, 95 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: and I'd buy the cheapest ticket and I'd sit wherever 96 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: I wanted because the padres had usual fire sale there. 97 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: You watched Tony Gwyn and a bunch of nobody's. It 98 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: was Tony Gwyn in the three Stooges are in this 99 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: case the eight other stooges that were out there. But no, 100 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: I don't have any animosity towards the Potteries. Now the 101 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: Dodgers are gonna end up winning, and I'm obviously more 102 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: loyal to the Dodgers, But the Padres are a monster, 103 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: a rags to riches situation for the Padres, and where 104 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: they were a couple of years ago, and where they 105 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: are right now from the outhouse to not the penthouse, 106 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: but they're they're close to the penthouse there. They can 107 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: they can see the country club up ahead, and they 108 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: were in the trailer park, so they've they've gotten a 109 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: lot better. And we're gonna have a conversation here with 110 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: one of the Podre broadcasters, a staple over the last 111 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: decade in San Diego and very smooth. I like this 112 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: guy because he's got big pipes, he's a he's an 113 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: old news guy, did the did the nightly news, did 114 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: the morning news in Minnesota and in New York as well. 115 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: Mike palmerants is gonna hang out with this right now. Now? 116 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: Do you do you do you know him in the 117 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: past year? Do you go back with him? Gascon? Do 118 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: you have a history with him? Well, I mean, like 119 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: yourself I got my start in San Diego with Extra 120 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: Sports thirteen sixty, which was the old flagship station that 121 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: you were at for the San Diego Chargers, and our 122 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: afternoon drive shows would have Mike on on the regular. 123 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: And then yeah, I did a couple of events with 124 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: Mike um a few years ago, the Los Angeles Kings 125 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: the Anaheim Ducks. They had a massive hockey day where 126 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: the Kings played in the afternoon, Ducks played at night, 127 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: and in between that their junior clubs played and Mike 128 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: and I were on the broadcast for that from uh 129 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: the Anaheim ice practice facility for the Ducks, So we 130 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: were on that together. And Yeah, I've known Mike for 131 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: quite a bit. Good dude and this extremely nice man. 132 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: He's everything that you are not. He's positive, he's encouraging, 133 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: he's engaging. He talks on the phone. He calls people back. Well, 134 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: I I wa way tough guy. I called you up 135 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: this week. Did you answer your phone? I was working out. 136 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: Did you call me back? I did? You did not? Did? 137 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: That's a lie. I will screw that call back. I 138 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: am looking at my phone right here, I'm holding my iPhone. 139 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: I do not see a return call from my phone call. 140 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: I did not get a call back, no callback. So 141 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: you just lie you want you want to bet on that, 142 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to wash your mouth out with soap 143 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: and water. Okay, you just told a lie. You're not 144 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: allowed to lie on a podcast. It's a bad job 145 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: by you. You're breaking the podcast rules, is what you're doing. 146 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: Can we get to the guests please? Yes, we will 147 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: get to but not really guests, just someone hanging out 148 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: with friends. But let me just point out though, as 149 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, I'm very critical. I think most people that 150 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: do broadcasting socking or terrible and all that this is 151 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: someone who actually thinks pretty good. Uh. I watched his 152 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: work with the Padre pregame and postgame. He does some 153 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: play by play as well. Mike Palmerants is his name? 154 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: See him on balles? What are they calling it? Ballys 155 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: San Diego? Is that what they're calling Valley Sports San 156 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: Diego Sports San Diego. Yeah, they changed all the Fox 157 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: Sports regional networks to the Bally's brand and Mike Pomerants 158 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: joining us and it's a good time to talk Padre baseball. 159 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: And I was in San Diego back in the day. 160 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: The Padres didn't spend a whole bunch of money and 161 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: all that. But boy, have things changed in a large way. 162 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: What is different now? What is the big difference between 163 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: the Padres now who are spending big money the Padres 164 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: of the past season of watching uh, watching his teable 165 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: for one, instead of hopes and prays that they might win, 166 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: their actual expectations. That I think it's the biggest difference. 167 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: And it's not just the fans, it's I think organizationally 168 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: and the players actually have a feeling that they expect 169 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: to win when they come to the ballpark, as opposed to, 170 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, say the right thing for the public and 171 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: then hoping it works itself out. At to me is 172 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: the most noticeable change in the obvious is quite clear 173 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: to I think every team now playing as you're starting 174 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: to see fans filter in there, and uh, it seems 175 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: like their expectations are certainly are certainly greater, and there's 176 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: just an atmosphere of fun and excitement. So it's been 177 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: it's been a completely different vibe for sure. Yeah, So 178 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: what has changed now? I worked in San Diego and 179 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: I was around the Potters and they always spent a 180 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: ton of money. You know, they had some good players, 181 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: but they didn't back in those days. They didn't go overboard. 182 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: They always used the small market thing. They couldn't spend 183 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: a lot of money. But Fernando Tatis the contract that 184 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: he signed this offseason, uh not that long ago here, 185 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: Uh amazing, one of the biggest contracts in baseball history. 186 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: What's the dynamic now? How how have things change the 187 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: far as the ownership is concerned for the Padres. But 188 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: isn't that literally the million dollar question? Uh? Pete Seidler 189 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: has has taken over the primary rains and Ron Fowler 190 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: has has moved into some other capacity. So so it 191 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: seems like Mr Sildler has decided that he's gonna be 192 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: final revenue or created himself and has decided he's going 193 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: to spend it. You're right, it's unlike anything the market 194 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: has seen in a while. Averting you think it's started 195 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: if you're if you're really analytical about it. I suppose 196 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: was Eric Hosmer signing because I think he signed an 197 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: eight year, a hundred and forty four million dollar deal. 198 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: Maybe we go back to Will Myers who had I 199 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: think a sixty million dollars left on his deal right now, 200 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: But you go Hosmer and you go Machado, And so 201 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: the Tatis deal wasn't entirely shocking that the money might come, 202 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: but I think the duration of fourteen year deal at 203 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: what three forty uh surprised a little bit in the industry, 204 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: mostly because of Fernando's injury history and lack of actual 205 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: big league experience, But the money being there, I don't 206 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: think he was in shocking this time around. The real shocker, 207 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: as it felt down here to us, was really the 208 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: Manny Machado deal three hundred million over ten years. No 209 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: one UH in this area seemed to think that it 210 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: was coming, and really nobody did, I think across baseball. 211 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: If I remember right, Kenny Williams, the guy was running 212 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: the White Sox, so the was who was also bidding 213 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: on Machado. When he found out about that deal, he 214 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 1: almost crashed his golf cart in spring training because no 215 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: one thought it was coming. But it's a different vibe 216 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,599 Speaker 1: for sure. Now. Yeah, as far as Fernando Tis, you 217 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: mentioned the injury history. I know it's early in the 218 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: season and he's currently on the the injured list, but 219 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: you know what's what's the vibe around this? Is this 220 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: gonna be a season long situation. Could this end up 221 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: in surgery? What's the real story there with Fernando Dutist 222 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: that you're hearing, Well, what we're hearing is is pretty 223 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: much what I think the public is now hearing from 224 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: Major Crawler, the general manager, and that is right now, 225 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: they're going to stay away from surgery usual, but they're 226 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: open to that possibility that if this continues and recurs 227 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: as it has basically three or so times at a 228 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: span of one of us about three or four weeks um, 229 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: if it becomes an issue on and on, they may 230 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: have to go the surgical route. Though the right now 231 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: they're trying everything they can opt it. He's on a 232 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: ten day I l he's eligible to come off the 233 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: teams on a road trip now. They start playing tomorrow 234 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: in Texas. They'll be back in time to take on 235 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: the Dodgers here after they go to Texas and then Pittsburgh, 236 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: and he'll be eligible to come off the list then. 237 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: But whether he'll be strong enough and ready, I think 238 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: that's uh, that's the great question. And everybody here is 239 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: a fan, and I think a watcher of this team 240 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: always looks at him with a cautious eye. Because his 241 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: history is so great. He had the stress fracture in 242 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: his back last year, plus a hamstring or two years 243 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: ago the hamstring injury as well. Then he had a 244 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: hand problem in the minor leagues. He's never played a 245 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: full season. I think right now he only has about 246 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: a hundred and forty six or so games under his belt, 247 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: um going into what is now his third year, So 248 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: there's a cautious eye. I think right now everybody is hopeful. 249 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: There are some guys who played through this, but not necessarily. Well, 250 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: everybody brings up Cody Bellinger, especially folks in l A. 251 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: But if you look at Bellinger, yeah he was on 252 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: the field, but he's still not hitting, even after last 253 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: year where he had the issues even then to the 254 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: championship series. So there's questions to whether when you come back, 255 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: what kind of player are you? And I think that's 256 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: where we're all watching Fernando closely. Mike, so as temperate 257 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: as fans are in San Diego, And obviously you covered 258 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: the team for such lum print the time. What is 259 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: the expectation and do you think they'll hit that mark? Well, 260 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: the expectation is it's a playoff team. Um. I don't 261 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: think they're getting too caught up in the numbers, because, 262 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: as you guys know, I mean, the projections are insane 263 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: everywhere because most of the league, it seems, isn't even trying. Um, 264 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: they didn't, most teams didn't spend this past offseason. Most 265 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: they are just trying to get their finances in order. 266 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: So you've got three clubs in the National League West 267 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: nearly capable of losing ninety games each uh and basically 268 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: the same for the American League West, which for the 269 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: Padres is going to be their primary focus when it 270 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: comes to inter league play. So there are a lot 271 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: of wins out there on the table. You could easily 272 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: say this is a ninety win team if everybody is 273 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: buying large healthy and obviously I say that knowing full 274 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: well what we just discussed, um, but I would say 275 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: the expectation is they've got to be at least a 276 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: wild card team. They know the Dodgers of the team 277 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: to beat in the West. I don't think it's a 278 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: great mystery, but now that we don't have the expanded 279 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: playoffs like we did last year, I think the expectation 280 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: here is clearly this is at least the first if 281 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: not the second wild card at the very least. So 282 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: with that being said, I know there's high hopes for 283 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: you Darvish to deliver same thing with Blake Snell. But 284 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: where is Chris Pattick? Mix and all of this pack 285 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: has been the one guy where two years ago he 286 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: blew the doors off of everybody, last year he regressed 287 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: in then this year at a slow start. Yeah, it's 288 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: a it's a big question mark for them for sure, UM, 289 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: because the expectations are that they win. Obviously the leash 290 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: isn't gonna be as long. He came up with a 291 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: lot of fanfare. Don't we see that a lot? Maybe 292 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: too often with these young guys. UM used to be 293 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: he didn't hear about prospects until they produced at the 294 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: big league level, really, but in recent years with social media, 295 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: there's this expectation and he came in with a lot 296 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: of that and a lot I think is unfair on 297 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: a young player until they started to finally get traction 298 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: and the league tells you how good you are instead of, uh, 299 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: the organization of the fans. So for Chris, he came 300 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: up as a two pitch pitcher, fastball change up. UM. 301 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: The league figured him out probably about halfway through his 302 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: first season, and if you remember, the good offensive teams 303 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: hit him pretty well even in his first year. The 304 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: patient teams and the Dodgers were one of those clubs 305 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: at the time, um and still are and those teams 306 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: that are waiting him out, and you know how it 307 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: is if you're a starting pitcher and you're reduced to 308 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: two pitches at that level, it's gonna be really hard 309 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: to get through a lineup. So my anticipation is that 310 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: he's going to get a handful more starts um to 311 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: see if he can finally establish a little consistency, and uh, 312 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: they may have to make some changes, you know, into 313 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: May June if he if he can't do that. I 314 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: don't want to be premature and say I don't have 315 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: any inside information that he's on a on a chopping 316 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: block immediately, but the patient's level is going to be different. 317 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: Right when you're expecting to win is when as opposed 318 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: to whether you're hoping to win. And that's where the 319 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: padres are right now. Yeah, I think maybe some sentiment 320 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: crosses over from the National Football League In the NBA, 321 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: where guys come in right away and they hit the 322 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: ground running, So why can't they do that in major 323 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: league baseball. Yeah. It's the thing about baseball that has 324 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: changed so dramatically as we know, is the little things 325 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: that you were supposed to learn in the minor leagues 326 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: aren't even required at the big league level anymore. For example, 327 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: nobody really steals. You don't bunt. There is no situational hitting. 328 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: It's max velocity. You swing out of your shoes and 329 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna click one, and it's often the guy you 330 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: least expect, and it's a battle of walks, strikeout Homer's. 331 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: So you're seeing guys up there with the fast twitch 332 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: fibers years old, twenty two that don't seem to require 333 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: as much seasoning, meaning learning the game as they did 334 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: years ago. Uh, you just you. If you can hit 335 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: the velocity and you can make a few routine plays, 336 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: it seems like you're more likely to get a shot. 337 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: UM the NFL is is is as much for shelf 338 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: life and injury right as anything else. You got to 339 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: get him on the field, because who knows how long 340 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: you last in such a physical sport. UM baseball. You're 341 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: starting to see it more and more. UM teams are 342 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: sinking money in the prospects and then up you know 343 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: they're they're thinking is Uh, they're like Derrito's, you keep crunching, 344 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: will make more. If we've got guys blown out to injury, 345 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: we'll just put a bunch behind them. Uh. And you're 346 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: seeing teams run through cultures like uh, you know, like 347 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: nobody's business. I think as a result. Yeah, and you 348 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: mentioned the way baseball is played, and we we've all 349 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, guys our age have complained about this, said 350 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: how you know what's going on with this? But they 351 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: are trying that they're talking about changing it and trying 352 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: to get more back the way the game had been 353 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: played in the past, with stolen bases and hitting behind 354 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: runners and actually bunting occasionally and things like I remember 355 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: about fifteen, maybe even more than that years ago, Uh 356 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: manager Terry Collins. Uh it was he was managing as 357 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: I guess it was long before that, but he there 358 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: was a situation that called for a bunt and he 359 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 1: didn't he didn't use the bunt, and and then one 360 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: of the writers after the game said why didn't you 361 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: do that? And he then explained that the guys didn't 362 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: know how to bunt, so they just didn't practice it. 363 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: And uh, I mean, what's it gonna take, Mike in 364 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: your open You've been around baseball a long time now 365 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: with the pottery, what do you think it's gonna take 366 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: to get the game back to not completely the way 367 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: it was, but a little bit closer to that style 368 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: play where it's not just swing from your heels and 369 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: try to hit a home runs home run derby every night. Oh. 370 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: It really is so that they say, right, the three 371 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: true outcomes just home runs, walks, and strikeouts. And I 372 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: think you got You're you're asking the great question, Ceo Epstein, 373 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: you just moved for in the Cubs front office, as 374 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: you know, to the league has verbalized that need to 375 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: make the game more exciting and interesting to fans. How 376 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: do you do it? Is the toughest question. Bob Manford 377 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: and his group, as you know, putting all these ideas 378 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: and experiments in the minor leagues to try to pick 379 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: up the pace. But it's not so much the pace 380 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: of play that I find challenging and what we hear 381 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: from the fans, and remember we're watching a hundred and 382 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: sixty two plus every single year. It's not the pace, 383 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: it's the fact that nothing's happening in that span of time. 384 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: If it's if there's movement in excitement, you don't even 385 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: notice it's a three hour ball game. But if it's 386 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: walks and strikeouts and you're waiting for a homer, three 387 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: hours feels like eight hours. And I think there's no 388 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: real easy answers somehow, whether by lowering the mound, whether 389 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: by adjusting the strike zone, whether by backing up the mound, 390 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: uh something, maybe to give the hitter a little better 391 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: chance to put it in play, eliminating the shift wouldn't hurt, 392 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: or making it such that left handed hitters had a 393 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: fighting chance. You're seeing a bunch of really good fleets 394 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: do non athletic things that's never good for any sport. 395 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: They're just standing there. The ball is never in play, 396 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: and fans love right the highlight play. You're looking to 397 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: see somebody who's more gifted than you are athletically do 398 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: something you can't do, and you're not seeing enough of 399 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: it in baseball. How do you get there? Buddy? I 400 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: have no earthly idea what the definitive answer is, but 401 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: they've got to do something to get the ball in play. 402 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: What can't stand going to the park like any of us, 403 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: and watching Mike Trout spitting sunflower seeds on the off 404 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: chance he might get one ball in a two three 405 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: game series. Um, and that's just not good for the game. 406 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: So hopefully they'll figure it out how they do it. 407 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: But if I had the answer, man, you'd be going 408 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: through six people to get to me for an interview 409 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: because I'd be the genius of the sport. That's a 410 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: good point. The booking process would be much more difficult 411 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: if that was the case. The thing I've heard, Mike, 412 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: and you're around the players, I guess with COVID guidelines 413 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: will get to that later, maybe not as much because 414 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: you gotta do everything on zoom. But what I had 415 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: heard in the past was, you know, the sacrificing and 416 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: the bunting. The players argument is they don't pay for that. 417 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: Baseball teams pay for home runs. They don't pay if 418 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: you're the guy that hits behind the runner and you bunt. 419 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: And so that's the counter arguments like, why are the 420 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: players really going to change their approach if the industry 421 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: doesn't pay for those skills? So you're actually leaving money 422 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: on the table. That's that's the issue. I've heard. Yeah, 423 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: it's a it's a. It seems to be valid. I mean, 424 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: look all the way up from the time these kids 425 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: are old enough to pay attention to what's going on. 426 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: You're going through high school where they're now ranked and 427 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: rated based on velocity and and how learn how hard 428 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: they can hit a baseball, and so they're not concerned 429 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: with learning the game. They're concerned with measurables do I throw, 430 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: Whether I can throw a pitch behind in the counter 431 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: work a corner is inconsequential. I'll get drafted if I 432 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: throw hard enough. Something goes once you get to the 433 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: money's right. It's like you had said, if I'm hitting 434 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: home runs and I'm generating power on the one of 435 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: two or three times out of ten, I actually make contact, 436 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: that will get promoted in the paycheck. But if I 437 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: can hit behind the runner and sacrifice and steal and 438 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: read situations, it's not as appreciated as it was because 439 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: you look at the numbers at the big league level 440 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: and they'll tell you a stolen base. If you're not 441 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: stealing at a sev clip, it's not worth the risk. 442 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: The trade off. Isn't there a guy scoring from second 443 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: on a base hit um statistically is gonna whole come 444 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: greater um then being at third, So why would you 445 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: sacrifice him from second to third? That's what we're seeing 446 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: now in the extra innings. Are new shocked. I know 447 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: I am with the extra inning rule where they put 448 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 1: a runner on second base, how infrequently teams will try 449 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: to push him over to third and then just score 450 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: the one run on the sack fly instead of three 451 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: straight guys. Unless it's the picture up, we'll just take 452 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: big rips, hoping to make it a two run difference 453 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: instead of the of the solo run um. It is 454 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: a strange situation, but you're right in that if the 455 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: game doesn't pay for the skill, why would the player 456 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: work to develop it. The flip on that is the 457 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: club's knowing they've got six years basically of ownership of 458 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: a player. The players almost playing right into the hands 459 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: of ownership as far as finances go, because they'll say, 460 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: at the end of your six years, we've gotten you 461 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: for your prime years of your athleticism in your fast twitch, 462 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: We'll let you go. We're not gonna pay the big salary. 463 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: You get a couple one or two offs. Right that 464 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: we read about with the big contracts, but the middle 465 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: player is getting squeezed out of the game right now. 466 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: It's the cheap guy and the tatis bets kind of 467 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: contract guy that's going to hang around. And that's that's 468 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: still my goods of the game because those smart, really 469 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: good contributor type players the middle Major league is getting 470 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: squeezed out. Be sure to catch live editions of The 471 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Paciffect. 472 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller 473 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm PACI Effect 474 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio. Mike, 475 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: I know you're in season number two of Major League 476 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: Beginnings of podcast us that you and Mark Sweeney and 477 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,239 Speaker 1: MLB VET host on Apple iTunes. Can you give us 478 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of the conversation behind the scenes between 479 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: you and Mark? Yeah, yeah, thank you for asking about that. 480 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: By the way, we've had a ton of fun with it. 481 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: Uh So Sweeney, as you know, fourteen years in the 482 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: big leagues. He and his age and longtime agent Barry 483 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: axel Rod, who was well known in the industry and 484 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: at Craig Diggione Bagwell and Mark Grace and Rick Sutcliff 485 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: and on and on. They had this idea to write 486 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: a book. Um. Instead they decided to turn into a 487 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: podcast and invited me to join them. And the whole ideas. 488 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: We talk to guys and gals around any sport really 489 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: who have reached what they consider to be the pinnacle 490 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: or are major players, so to speak, in their field. 491 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: So we bring them on. Sometimes they're Hall of famers, 492 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: sometimes they're executives, sometimes there from other sports, uh, and 493 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: we kind of get to their what we consider to 494 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: be there at least metaphorical Major league beginning wherever they 495 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: got started, and walk them through these uh fan tastic 496 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: tales that they rarely get a chance to ask to 497 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: talk about because everything they get asked is always topical. Well, 498 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: this is more of an evergreen thing. You want to 499 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: know the history behind Kimming the general manager, now the Marlins, 500 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: we have that kind of thing for you, um, the 501 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: first time they're in the clubhouse, the introduction to the leagues, 502 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: the people who took them under their wings, that type 503 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: of stuff. So we've been able to put together a 504 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: nice roster. We drop it once a week, usually on 505 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: a Wednesday, um a nice roster guests, and the feedback 506 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: has been great. I really appreciate you asking about it. 507 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: The folks get a chance to to check it out, 508 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: subscribe and rate it. You know that goes. We really 509 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: appreciate it now, Mike, which you think give us a feedback? Yeah, Mike, 510 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you actually come from a unique 511 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: transition where most people don't know this, but you were 512 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: actually a news guy before you became a sports guy. 513 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: But sports has been in your life, your entire life, 514 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: I guess as a young adult and now as a 515 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: as a professional. UM Bend's got a lot of fans 516 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: in in the Minnesota region, and I know that you've 517 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: worked in that area as well. What's it been like, 518 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: I guess, covering news as a whole and then making 519 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: your way down to sunny San Diego. Man, what it's 520 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: been a heck of a ride. I've learned. I've been 521 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,719 Speaker 1: really bad at a lot of things, uh, in my career, 522 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: but it's been fun to experiment, you know, as minor 523 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: league and couldn't make the big leagues, and then I 524 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: flipped over to broadcasting and wanted to become a reporter 525 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: and was you know, obviously I was in a named player. 526 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: So I went into news and set of sports and 527 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: fell in love with it and was a reporter and 528 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: anchor for twenty years. So the where we ended up 529 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. We'd come from New York City and CBS 530 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: and w CBS in New York and got an opportunity 531 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: to work in my wife's hometown in Minneapolis. And the 532 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: quality of life, as anybody who's in that area knows, 533 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: is so high. It's such a great place to live. 534 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: You do a little bit of a winner, but you 535 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: have a ton of fun doing it um and we 536 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. Had our daughters grew up around family, 537 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 1: and it was just a wonderful experience. And then I 538 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: started entertain aiming the notion of getting back into sports 539 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: in some capacity, and a buddy of mine, who was 540 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: running the network that handled the Twins and the Timberwolves, 541 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: et cetera up in that area, asked me if I 542 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: wanted to kind of freelance for him a little bit. 543 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: I did it, fell in love with it. He came 544 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: out here, started up to San Diego stations. I was 545 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: handling the new agreement with the Padres and asked me 546 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: if I wanted to tag along. I said, sure, I'll 547 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: take a shot at it. I pretty much sucked at 548 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: everything else I've tried. How much worse could I be? 549 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: Gave it a go, and uh, buddy, I'm still I'm 550 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: still very lucky every week that they throw a paycheck 551 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: at me. I'm very fortunate to be around it. But 552 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: I don't miss the winners, but I do miss the people. Well, 553 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: what about the skill set of being the news anchor? 554 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: And you worked in New York and he said, obviously 555 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: Minnesota there, but the difference between being the sports guy 556 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: and being the news anchor on the nightly news of 557 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: the morning news, what's the what's the change? How big 558 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: it changes? Obviously huge change, But what's what was that 559 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: like for you? Well, that's a good question, and it's 560 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: a I think several folks have done it. I think 561 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: we all kind of say the same thing. And it's 562 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: for one thing. You know, in news, right, you feel 563 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: like you're imparting information that well that could potentially affect 564 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: somebody's life, the real life uh stuff, um, not the 565 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: entertainment side of things. So I think that type of 566 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: heaviness if for some people in news, I know it 567 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: did for me can kind of weigh on it again. 568 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: I did it for twenty years, and after a while 569 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: I thought, my goodness, man, this is really really heavy. 570 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: I like getting to the root of things, but the 571 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: industry had changed a bit um as far as the 572 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: resources these networks were throwing at the product, and it 573 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: was getting a little tougher. I think for journalists to 574 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: do their job and feel like they have the backing 575 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: of companies that were rooted in journalism as opposed to 576 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: being purchased by venture capitalists and being run with different 577 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: budgetary concerns, and then flip it over to sports, it 578 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: was like, hey, you know what the coolest part about 579 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: it was after somebody has put fifteen hours in on 580 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: a factory floor and they just want to be entertained, 581 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: uh and informed on their favorite team. It was really 582 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: nice to be able to be part of putting a 583 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: smile on somebody's face who's had to deal with some 584 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: real life stuff. So after serving the medicine as you 585 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, you might say for twenty years as a journalist, 586 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: UM given him the stuff they had to have where 587 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: they may not like informationally, it's really nice to be 588 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: on the other side of that. So you know what, 589 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: we're the dessert for you. You put in a hard day, 590 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: your your world has been a little trickier than you'd like. 591 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: Why don't you take your mind off and enjoy the 592 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: ball game. We'll try to make it fun for you. 593 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: And and it's been a really nice flip. But the 594 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: hardest part of that transition, I think has just been 595 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: letting go of the seriousness in life that I think 596 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: I started to allow UH to kind of take me 597 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: over in a negative way. I think I started to 598 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: look at things just through far too heavy and dark 599 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: a prism and realize, hey, man, it's a short time 600 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: you get on the planet. You might want to like 601 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: not Mike, and enjoy it a bit. And that's what 602 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: sports has given me, Mike, given the fact that you 603 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: were in that realm for such a long print of 604 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: time and now you see what's outside of that. Do 605 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: you trust the news? Great question? Great question. I trust 606 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: the people. UM, it's certain outlets that they're trying to 607 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: do the best they can. I certainly have my opinion 608 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: is that which outlets those are. UM, I'm very selective 609 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 1: as to who I choose. I search out what I 610 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: feel to be the most objective, and I know the 611 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: natural tendency in this day and age is to search 612 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: out your news source, uh and and look at the 613 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: whoever is going to say the thing that you most 614 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: agree with, and look at that as a valid news source. 615 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: I've kind of trained in the old school where I 616 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: try to look for the objectivity in it um and 617 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: I do find it. It's tricky. I trust the sources 618 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: I've come to trust over time. They've they haven't really 619 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: failed me, but they're they're certainly winnowed down now right. 620 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: There are fewer of those, but I still believe they're 621 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: out there, and I know that there are people out 622 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: there trying every day to do the right thing. I 623 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 1: don't think anybody goes out there with malice to present 624 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: too much of a jaded case. I think, save for 625 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: a few, um, and I'm being very careful not to 626 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: name names in this, I think most objective outposts and 627 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: outlets who have traditionally been that way, Um, the New 628 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,479 Speaker 1: York Times, I know I can throw out there as 629 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: some as an organization I know tries day in and 630 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: day out to get it right. Uh. Those types of 631 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: sources are the ones I go and so yeah, I 632 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: still trust, but my pool of trust has gotten a 633 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: lot shallower. Well and Mike following we just talked about 634 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: baseball getting back to, you know, the more of the 635 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: way it was. But the news businesses, as you said 636 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: you worked in a long time, is it ever going 637 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: to go back? Because there's money to be made being 638 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: on team Read or Team Blue like you, you can 639 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: make money doing that. So what would encourage anyone to 640 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: go back to being you know, the neutral arbitrator if 641 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: you will, of the of the news, if you can 642 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: just make a lot of money being on one side 643 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: and another being a partisan. You're right, You're right. I 644 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: don't know that there is an answer. I think it's 645 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: going to take somebody who's somewhat altruistic, uh, some type 646 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: of just philanthropic billionaire who says, you know what, I'm 647 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: not looking at this as a looking at this as 648 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: a as a place I have got to make the 649 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: same margins profit wise that we've made in the sixties, seventies, eighties. 650 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this is something I'm doing to do 651 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: the right thing. And I don't know that that person 652 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: or people are necessarily out there in mass because nobody 653 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: gets into private business to lose money. But it's almost 654 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: like it's going to take that um and it may 655 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: come down to just fewer and fewer sources willing to 656 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: do that. But that's the great question, man, there's so much. 657 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: Look at what we watch every night. It's hot take 658 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: after hot take after hot take, and it's not thought out, 659 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: it's not well researched a lot of it. It's just 660 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: screaming and yelling, trying to get balls, trying to get ratings. 661 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: You get enough folks who will buying the conspiracy to 662 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: save your side. Whether it's red or blue or what 663 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: your color as your team is, it doesn't matter, um 664 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: And that seem to sell. It's it's not a positive outlook. 665 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: But I'm hopeful that somebody somewhere with the money to 666 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: back it will say, you know what, enough is enough. Someplace, 667 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: somehow has got to be the middle of the road. 668 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: And we used to have that saying in journalism, and 669 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: you guys know it. It's if I get complaints, uh, 670 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: equally from both sides of an issue, and I know 671 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm doing my job properly, that means I'm somewhere in 672 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: the middle where I'm supposed to be. And you don't 673 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: see a lot of that, and there is some risk 674 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: to that. Into your greater point, it's not a revenue 675 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: generator to be objective. Um, it's a shame. But the 676 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: current audience is like, look, we want it lazy, We 677 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: wanted spoon fead and nobody likes to be argued with 678 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: and feel wrong and they want to participation trophy and 679 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, the world's on their side. So 680 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: they're gonna tune into a station that feeds them whatever 681 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: they feel like that line needs to be. It's it's 682 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: tricky out there for sure. All right, Well, Mike, thank you, 683 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: appreciate it for coming on. Good luck with your podcast 684 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: and continued success with the padres, and we'll see you 685 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,959 Speaker 1: down the line. Thank you, thanks many, Hey appreciate the time, 686 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: and uh enjoy the season and hopefully catch up with 687 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: you again if not in the postseason. Be sure to 688 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at 689 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific. Be sure to catch 690 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two 691 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: am Eastern eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and 692 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app.