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Speaker 2: a Saturday night. Yes, I am back. Was out last week.

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Speaker 2: Arnie Spanier filled.

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Speaker 3: In for me.

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Speaker 2: Some say poorly, neither here nor there. We will get

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Speaker 2: to some sound from Arnie later. We are waiting on

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Speaker 4: W That is right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that the Arnie Spanier sound from last week. This

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Speaker 2: is something I mean, this is like teasing. I can't

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Speaker 2: even think of what we have to compare it to.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, think about the biggest war tot take

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Speaker 2: was spouting in this time slot last week. So we

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Speaker 2: will share that with you about fifteen minutes from now. So,

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Speaker 2: Arnie span your sound that I would say that you

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Speaker 2: couldn't possibly believe, but it's Arnie and you do so

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Speaker 2: Jason Martin will be joining me momentarily busy Saturday in sports.

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Speaker 2: A lot going on to Sagre just got you caught

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Speaker 2: up date, got you caught up to date on just

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Speaker 2: about everything. But the big story right now, the big

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Speaker 2: game right now is the game at Crypto dot Com Arena, Denver.

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Speaker 2: Up to nothing going into game three this evening, Lakers

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Speaker 2: are trail sixty six point fifty nine coming right out

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Speaker 2: of the half as Denver has a lead. I think

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Speaker 2: there's two real stories to this game so far to

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Speaker 2: this point. The first one to be blunt. It was

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Speaker 2: a shockingly uninspired performance to start the game by the

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles Lakers. You're down to nothing coming in. You

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Speaker 2: lost both games in Denver. Obviously the first game, you

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Speaker 2: have a big comeback, make it respectable, even though you

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Speaker 2: don't win. Second game, Jamal Murray goes crazy in the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter. You can't quite pull it out. But the

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Speaker 2: old saying goes that the series doesn't really start until

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Speaker 2: the home team loses, and so you figure, Okay, the Lakers,

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Speaker 2: they've been here before, they won the title in a

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Speaker 2: bubble just a few short years ago. But they came

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Speaker 2: out very uninspired, did not look good, trail by twelve

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Speaker 2: points after the first quarter, but to their credit, they

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Speaker 2: have rallied quite a bit. They now trail sixty six

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Speaker 2: to sixty three early here in the third quarter, and

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Speaker 2: so that is the story. They have bounced back very nicely.

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Speaker 2: From the Lakers perspective, just a really across the board

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Speaker 2: solid performance for a couple players, most notably Anthony Davis,

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Speaker 2: then hot and cold in these playoffs. Mostly Hot has

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Speaker 2: had a few down games, but he has been absolutely

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Speaker 2: dominant in this game after that slow start. Now with

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Speaker 2: one points and fourteen rebounds for Anthony Davis. Lebron a

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Speaker 2: little bit quiet with nine points, three boards, but eight

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Speaker 2: assists for Lebron and fifteen points for Austin Reeves. There

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Speaker 2: was a big stretch in the second quarter where Austin

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Speaker 2: Reeves carried the Los Angeles Lakers.

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Speaker 4: The other thing that is worth noting is.

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Speaker 2: That I don't know that we can sit here and

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Speaker 2: say that Jamal Murray is becoming a star in front

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Speaker 2: of our eyes in these playoffs, because Jamal Murray has

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Speaker 2: been a very good player for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: Two seasons ago, averaged twenty one points per game for

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Speaker 2: the Denver Nuggets. That was the year they made the

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Speaker 2: That was the year after excuse me that they made

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Speaker 2: the Western Conference Finals in the bubble, but obviously missed

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Speaker 2: quite a bit of time because of injury, was slow

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Speaker 2: of this regular season. I think it's fair to say

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Speaker 2: he not only looks like himself, but might be playing

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Speaker 2: the best basketball of his career. We all know what

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Speaker 2: happened the other night. Twenty plus points in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: I believe the stat was it was his fourth game

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Speaker 2: this playoffs with twenty plus points in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: Just a stunning stat, especially when consider by the way

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan won twenty point fourth quarter in his entire career.

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Speaker 2: Jamal Murray had his fourth twenty point performance of these

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Speaker 2: playoffs the other night, and he has continued to have

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Speaker 2: ways that I don't even think any of us expected,

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Speaker 2: especially after that historic game one from Nikola Jokic. Tonight,

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Speaker 2: Jamal Murray thirty points. As de Seger just told you,

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Speaker 2: in the first half. Keep in mind, the second half

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Speaker 2: just started Jamal Murray thirty points on thirteen of twenty

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Speaker 2: the Denver Nuggets up sixty six to sixty.

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Speaker 4: Three early in the third quarter.

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Speaker 2: As we await Jason Martin, I think it goes without

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Speaker 2: saying this to me, I don't even think it's a debate.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think there's a conversation to be had.

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Speaker 2: This is in every way, shape and form, a must

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Speaker 2: win for the Lakers. Now to the Lakers credit, the

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Speaker 2: one thing that does stand out so far, Jokic has

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Speaker 2: actually been pretty quiet. Seven points, four rebound, six assists

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Speaker 2: that's a quiet performance for you, you know that you're

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Speaker 2: you're you're an elite player with elite talent. But I

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Speaker 2: bring it up because you do start to wonder Jokic.

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Speaker 2: Obviously the first round there was no problem for the Nuggets.

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Speaker 2: But last round with the Phoenix Suns, a team that

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Speaker 2: that doesn't play very much defense, the Denver Nuggets basically

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Speaker 2: did whatever they wanted against the Phoenix Suns, especially in

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Speaker 2: Game five. In Game six, when they close things out, Jokic,

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Speaker 2: it does feel like the big bodies of the Lakers,

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Speaker 2: the physicality of the Lakers is starting to where it

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Speaker 2: appears on Jokic as again, just seven points.

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Speaker 4: And four boards through two and a half quarters.

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Speaker 2: Here on Saturday night in Los Angeles, again for those

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Speaker 2: of for those of you just joining us, the Nuggets

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Speaker 2: are up sixty eight sixty three early in the third quarter.

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Speaker 2: But again, I think, in my opinion, and I don't

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Speaker 2: even think it's my opinion, I just think it's it's

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Speaker 2: common basketball knowledge. This feels like an absolute must win

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Speaker 2: for the Lakers, not only because you're obviously down two

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Speaker 2: but more specifically because I think you can kind of

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Speaker 4: You're on the road, two games at altitude.

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Speaker 2: Denver has not lost in these playoffs at home yet

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Speaker 2: yet in this postseason. Jokic has a historic Game one,

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Speaker 2: and you still almost come back and figure out a

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Speaker 2: way to win that game. Jamal Murray has an incredible

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Speaker 2: Game two, and you still almost win that game. You

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Speaker 2: so now you're back home. You win this game at home,

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Speaker 2: it's two to one, you're back in control. Home court

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Speaker 2: advantage is still very very much up in the air.

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Speaker 2: But you lose this one. Not only are you down

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Speaker 2: you lose three to zero at home in a game

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Speaker 2: that you have to have. Now, the good news is,

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Speaker 2: even though the Lakers are trailing, they have played very

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Speaker 2: and as I said, Anthony Davis is really just continuing

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Speaker 2: to play at this elite playoff level. Twenty one points,

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Speaker 2: fourteen rebounds in this game, and again, I think just

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Speaker 2: as importantly, he has done an awesome job keeping the MVP,

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Speaker 2: the two time MVP, who is not the MVP this year,

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Speaker 2: Nicola Jokic in check. Nakola Jokic with just nine points,

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Speaker 2: he did just add a bucket and four rebounds six assists. Again,

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Speaker 2: it's a great half and a couple minutes for just

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Speaker 2: about anybody else, but Nicola Jokic is in check.

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Speaker 4: But again, the stories of this game so far.

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Speaker 2: Game three at Crypto dot Com Arena, Nuggets are up

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Speaker 2: by five midway through the third quarter, but the two stories.

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Speaker 2: That's stand out Lakers off to a very very very

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Speaker 2: slow start, outscored by twelve in the first quarter, but

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Speaker 2: have been had a very nice bounce back since then,

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Speaker 2: with Anthony Davis leading the way twenty one points, fourteen

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Speaker 2: rebounds for AD so far, Lebron with eight assists although

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Speaker 2: he's not filling up the bucket from a scoring perspective.

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Speaker 2: Austin Reeves fifteen points as well. And then the other

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Speaker 2: story of this first half and of this Game three,

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Speaker 2: it is Jamal Murray again just just turning himself into

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Speaker 2: another breakout star these players, another Kentucky breakout star of

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Speaker 2: these players. By the way, Devin Booker was putting up

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Speaker 2: forty points every night in the last playoff series. Darn

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Speaker 2: Fox has been incredible. Anthony Davis has been phenomenal throughout

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Speaker 2: these playoffs. Jamal Murray proving that he is as talented,

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Speaker 2: I think as far as putting the ball in the

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Speaker 2: basket from a scoring perspective, to use the term that

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Speaker 2: the kids say, the tricks that he's gotten his bag,

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Speaker 2: Jamal Murray's got as many as any of them. Thirty

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Speaker 2: points for the Denver Nugge. It's in the first half

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Speaker 2: again the Nuggets up sixty eight sixty three with seven

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Speaker 2: twenty four in the first half. Fox Sports Radio aeron

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Speaker 2: We continue to keep you updated on this game three

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Speaker 2: Lakers Nuggets, but we also have to turn our attention

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Speaker 2: to that Eastern Conference Finals where Miami went up two

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Speaker 2: the heat perspective as well as the Celtics perspective. Plus,

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Speaker 2: you gotta wait to hear what Arnie Spanier said the

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Speaker 2: other night while I was out. I don't think the

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Speaker 2: bosses are never gonna let Arnie Spanier fill in for

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Speaker 2: me again, because as crazy as Arnie always is, what

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Speaker 4: I believe we have Jason Mark, Jason mart are you there?

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Speaker 2: WHOA Okay, I thought Arnie Spaniers takes were so mediocre

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Speaker 2: last week that you just quit?

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Speaker 4: Is that so you? That is not what happened?

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Speaker 3: It's not, but that's wow. Yeah, that's certainly a relevant

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Speaker 3: place to go if you want to go there. Like,

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Speaker 3: I definitely understand why you would say such a thing.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well let's let's jump right into it.

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Speaker 2: So I just obviously in the first segment, talked a

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Speaker 2: lot about this game three, Incrypto dot Com Arena in

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles tied it deep into the third quarter. The

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Speaker 4: If Miami beats Philadelphia or Boston, all.

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Speaker 2: And now the Miami Heat have a two nothing series

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about the Boston perspective

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Speaker 7: Good evening, gentlemen. Into three quarters in LA, the Nuggets

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Speaker 7: lead is only eighty four eighty two. Denver trying to

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Speaker 7: go up three games to none. So, as you mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 7: realistically the Lakers season is on the line here in

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Speaker 7: the next half. Jamal Murray had thirty points in the

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Speaker 7: first half for Denver tonight. We have seen thirty point

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Speaker 7: first halfs in the playoffs in the past decade. Devin

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Speaker 7: Booker a couple times, Damian Lillard a couple of times.

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Speaker 7: Jamal Murray has had mostly great games throughout this postseason.

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Speaker 7: Nikola Jokich nine points and four fouls for Denver. Murray

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Speaker 7: did not have a points in the third quarter. Denver

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Speaker 7: was up by fourteen early in the game. It's a

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Speaker 7: two point advantage in LA right now. Anthony Davis twenty

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Speaker 7: six points, sixteen rebounds for the Lakers. Because of him,

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Speaker 7: they are out rebounding the Nuggets so far in this one.

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Speaker 7: Game three of the East Finals is tomorrow night at Miami,

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Speaker 7: which leads two games to none against the Celtics in

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Speaker 7: the Stanley Cup Playoffs. That Carolina Hurricanes still tied one

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Speaker 7: to one with the Panthers under eight minutes left in regulation.

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Speaker 7: The opener of this series went four overtimes on Thursday

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Speaker 7: before Florida one on the road. Brooks Koepka leads by

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Speaker 7: one stroke at the PGA Championship. He shot a third

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Speaker 7: round sixty six. Victor huh Bablin has tied for second

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Speaker 7: with Corey Connors, Bryce and deshamba Is three back. It

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Speaker 7: rained all day there in Rochester, New York. National Treasure

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Speaker 7: won the Preakness in Baltimore. Blazing Seven's was a close second.

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Speaker 7: Kentucky Derby winner Mage finished third as the favorite. NASCAR's

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Speaker 7: annual All Star Race is Sunday night on FS one.

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Speaker 7: The two heats were tonight. Daniel Suarez and Chris Buscher

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Speaker 7: will start in the front row tomorrow to Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 7: Just two late games. Twins already out to a three

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Speaker 7: to nothing lead on the Angels bottom of the first

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Speaker 7: Red Sox at San Diego scoreless end of one Padres

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Speaker 7: record twenty and twenty five this year. Tampa Bay won again,

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Speaker 7: beating Milwaukee eight to four. Seattle came back for a

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Speaker 7: seven to three win at Atlanta, and the Cardinals held

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Speaker 7: on to defeat the Dodgers six to five. Dodger pitcher

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Speaker 7: Julio Arius goes on the injured list with a strain hamstring.

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Speaker 7: Cleveland at the Mets rained out. Yankees won in ten

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Speaker 7: innings at Cincinnati seven to four, Aaron Judge the go

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Speaker 7: ahead single. He went four for four. Houston won at

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Speaker 7: six straight game three to two against Oakland record ten

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Speaker 7: and thirty seven and a huge upset and NCAAs the

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Speaker 7: National Softball Tournament has started this weekend UCLA rank number

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Speaker 7: two in the country is out. Already lost at home

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Speaker 7: last night three two to Grand Canyon just lost at

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Speaker 7: home tonight to Liberty two to one.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Seger, Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Era Torres, Jason Martin broadcasting

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Speaker 2: live from Thetirereck dot Com studios. And first of all,

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Speaker 2: we'll keep you updated on this Lakers Nuggets game. As

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Speaker 2: to Segre just told you, fourth quarter has just started,

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Speaker 2: Denver up.

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Speaker 4: Two points with a two to zero series lead.

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Speaker 2: As Sega just said, it goes, it goes without saying

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Speaker 2: that the Lakers cannot afford to lose this one. We

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Speaker 2: will continue to follow this one and keep you updated

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Speaker 2: and obviously talk about it once it goes final. But

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Speaker 2: I do want to go back to the Eastern Conference, Jason,

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Speaker 2: and I want to go just to the other side

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Speaker 2: of things, which is obviously we just talked about the

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Speaker 2: Miami Heat.

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Speaker 4: Now I want to talk.

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Speaker 2: About the Boston Celtics side, because you know, interesting group,

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Speaker 2: if you really think about the Celtics at their most

496
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Speaker 2: basic level, is that obviously they make the finals last year, Emea,

497
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Speaker 2: Adoka situation, whatever, But you know, they they jump out

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Speaker 2: to a two zero series lead against Atlanta. You think

499
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Speaker 2: their cruising, you think they're gonna dominate, need six to

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Speaker 2: put away Atlanta. And then obviously, again it goes without

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Speaker 2: saying very easily could have lost that series to Philly.

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Speaker 2: They fall down three to two at one point. You know, obviously,

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Speaker 2: last week game Game seven, hardens terrible, joelm beats terrible,

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Speaker 2: and Jason Tatum puts up fifty one points. So it's

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Speaker 2: not to say that, you know, the Celtics only lost

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Speaker 2: because Philadelphia completely gave him the game. I guess the

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Speaker 2: point I'm trying to make is that this is a

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Speaker 2: team that made the finals last year. But really, you know,

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Speaker 2: even going back to last year, I remember talking about

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Speaker 2: with you, Jason, like they got a lot of breaks

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Speaker 2: along the way. Milwaukee, Chris Middleton gets hurt. Giannis is

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Speaker 2: basically playing by himself in that second round series, they survive.

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Speaker 2: In seven following series, they play the Miami Heat, ironically enough,

514
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Speaker 2: and the heater just banged up. By the end, they're

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Speaker 2: down a bunch of guys and it was still a

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Speaker 2: misshot basically at the buzzer to advance to the finals.

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Speaker 2: So they come back this year, and I'll just say,

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Speaker 2: you know, for a team that has the experience, that

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Speaker 2: has the star power, they're certainly not making themsel things

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Speaker 2: easy on themselves.

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Speaker 4: Seven game series. Last series, probably gave.

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Speaker 2: Away a game against Atlanta as well, But now down

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Speaker 2: oh two, I don't know, there's just something.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If it's the personnel. I don't know, if it's the coach.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about Missoula momentarily. I'm just for a team

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Speaker 2: that that's in the conference finals. I just I haven't

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Speaker 2: been impressed or overwhelmed by this group or feel like

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Speaker 2: they've even hit their capabilities at pretty much any point

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Speaker 2: this playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Jase so Jason Tatum. Four of the last five games he'

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Speaker 3: said thirty points. She had thirty, thirty four, thirty six,

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Speaker 3: fifty one. If you want to go from worst to best.

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Speaker 3: He did have a night team point performance in Game

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Speaker 3: six against Philadelphia. But something's just off, like something is

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Speaker 3: something just doesn't feel right watching that basketball team. And

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Speaker 3: I don't know, But I mean, I've seen some speculation,

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Speaker 3: I've heard some opinion. It doesn't seem like Tatum and

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Speaker 3: Brown play off each other particularly well, like you'll have

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Speaker 3: one game where Brown really shows up, and sometimes it'll happen.

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Speaker 3: But like you look at the way, for example, Jamal

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Speaker 3: Murray and Nikola Jokic can play off one another, and

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Speaker 3: how multifaceted Jokic's game is where he can go get

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Speaker 3: you forty, but he also didn't get you twenty boards

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Speaker 3: and do all these different things. Brown likes to score,

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Speaker 3: and when he's rolling, sometimes Tatum receeds, and then you

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Speaker 3: look at the other side, Tatum going for all these points,

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Speaker 3: and then the secondary players. I think they felt scarier

549
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Speaker 3: last year than they do this year. Like none of

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Speaker 3: these guys really worry me in the same way. If

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Speaker 3: I'm an opposing coach or an opposing team, I don't

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Speaker 3: know if it's scheme, I don't know if it's just

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Speaker 3: I can't put my finger on it. I picked them

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Speaker 3: to win at all before the playoffs started, and I

555
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Speaker 3: don't feel good about it right now. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: like Denver now if you had to, you know, put

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Speaker 3: me against it and say who I think would win

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Speaker 3: or is going to win the championship. But it just

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Speaker 3: doesn't ring like a championship team. It rings like a

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Speaker 3: team that this should have been easier for based on

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Speaker 3: the talent, but there is something wrong in the mixture,

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Speaker 3: and you can't fix that at this point. If they win,

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Speaker 3: it's just gonna it's honestly gonna feel like somebody else

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Speaker 3: found a way to lose more than they found a

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Speaker 3: way to win.

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Speaker 2: So I agree, I definitely it feels like something's off.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not smart enough to know if it's roster personnel,

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Speaker 2: if it's whatever. But but again, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: look at the three teams left. Obviously, Miami has been

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Speaker 2: impressive in there. It goes without saying, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: eight seed now two games away from going to the finals.

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Speaker 2: The Lakers have been domin at times, even though they're

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Speaker 2: down to nothing in this series. Denver speaks for themselves

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Speaker 2: like the Celtics. I mean, I guess there was a

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Speaker 2: moment I think it was Game two of the Atlanta

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Speaker 2: series where they were up by like thirty five in

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Speaker 2: the second quarter, But besides that, there has been, in

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Speaker 2: my opinion, no moment where it's just they just look

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Speaker 2: like like you know, it's it's cliche, but it's true,

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Speaker 2: and especially in basketball, like you just either have the

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Speaker 2: look or you don't have the look, and Boston just

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Speaker 2: has never had the look. To me again, the Philadelphia series,

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Speaker 2: it's a situation where where you're down three to three

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Speaker 2: to two at one point. And I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: diminish what they did to come back and win win

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Speaker 2: Game six and Game seven, but it was really because

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Speaker 2: of pretty much a historically bad game from James to

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Speaker 2: Harden and and and Joe l em beat as much

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Speaker 2: as it was Jason Tatum's heroics. So and again, obviously

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Speaker 2: the series speaks for itself. So I'm just I'm with you,

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Speaker 2: is something doesn't feel right. They don't have that look.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they've ever had that look. One last thought,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know if this is a hot take

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Speaker 2: or not. Do you think, given the way in which

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Speaker 2: he got the job, and given the way in which

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of very quality coaches on the market,

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Speaker 2: do you think if they lose this series, Joe Mozzula

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Speaker 2: should be out. Remember, by the way, for people who

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Speaker 2: don't know, I think everybody remembers. But Ime Adoka, very

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Speaker 2: established assistant coach, comes in last year, leads them to

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Speaker 2: the NBA Finals. Obviously he is fired for personal reasons.

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Speaker 2: He is now the head coach of the Houston Rockets,

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Speaker 2: but Joe Mizzoula was not even the lead assistant. Last year,

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Speaker 2: he was the second assistant. The lead assistant leaves for

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Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz Adoka is fired if Missoula, who's like

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Speaker 2: thirty six thirty seven, if they lose in really bad fashion,

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Speaker 2: says it's for to one or they get swept.

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Speaker 4: Do you think he should go?

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Speaker 2: Because I don't know that I have a strong opinion

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Speaker 2: on it, but I think it's something worth noting. Is

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Speaker 2: that this is not the traditional type guy that would

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Speaker 2: have this quality of job.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I can't say yes, I think he

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Speaker 3: should be out. I also don't know if he should return.

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Speaker 3: I would say this. I don't think any of us

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Speaker 3: are qualified to judge how much of this would fall

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Speaker 3: on Joe Mizzula. I just don't because watching the team,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. What is he not doing,

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Speaker 3: What could he be doing differently? Where is he getting

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Speaker 3: it wrong? I'd need to talk to somebody who's watched,

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Speaker 3: you know everything that they have been doing, and can

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Speaker 3: see a difference in scheming, in personnel, in management, all

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Speaker 3: of those kinds of things than what Udoka did for

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Speaker 3: them a season ago. I would say that the idea

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Speaker 3: that there are a lot of really good coaches out

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Speaker 3: there right now doesn't help Mizula. And I did suggest

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Speaker 3: to Arnie last week when you were out that the

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Speaker 3: loser of that game, I could easily see their coach

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Speaker 3: being fired. And that's actually you know, that's what ended

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Speaker 3: up happening with Doc. But I feel like if Missoula

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Speaker 3: had lost in the last that would have been even

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Speaker 3: more potentially indicative of what was going to happen. But

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Speaker 3: I would say he's not gonna be on solid ground,

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Speaker 3: like he's gonna be on a very short leash. If

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Speaker 3: he does keep the gig after this next year, they'd

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Speaker 3: better do something pretty dagone impressive, or I would imagine

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Speaker 3: they'll go in another direction pretty quick.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm not like adamant that he would have

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Speaker 4: to go.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked if he did, is what I

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Speaker 3: would say. But I don't think either one of us

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Speaker 3: and most of the people listening. This isn't one where

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Speaker 3: we've watched this for five years, And I knew Bill

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Speaker 3: O'Brien needed to go at Houston for example, like this

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Speaker 3: one's a little bit different. This is too short of

646
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Speaker 3: a sample size for me. But in the NBA, you

647
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: don't get a lot of time, especially when you have,

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Speaker 3: you know, talent like Tatum and you have not just

649
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: history like the Celtics, but recent success like Boston has had.

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00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: You look at it and you're like, well, if we

651
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: just took a step down from Udoka, who we had

652
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Speaker 3: to move on from because of what happened off the court,

653
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: we could probably still do better than this who if

654
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Speaker 3: we had been interviewing coaches, this guy never would have

655
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Speaker 3: gotten the job to begin with.

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Speaker 4: And that's exactly what it is. Is two quick thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Is one, I'm not someone that oh fire coaches after

658
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Speaker 2: one year, but this was a very unique circumstance in

659
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Speaker 2: which he got the job, to your point, Jason, not

660
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Speaker 2: saying that he wouldn't have been a head coach at

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Speaker 2: some point, but it was very unique under the circumstances

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Speaker 2: that he got the job. The other thing, by the way,

663
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Speaker 2: there's still two more losses to be had if he does,

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Speaker 2: in fact not get out of this series. The other

665
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Speaker 2: thing is you'd be losing as an eight seed, or

666
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: losing two to eight seed as a two seed with

667
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Speaker 2: home court advantage the roads ahead. He and no Milwaukee

668
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Speaker 2: who we all thought it was Milwaukee and Boston one

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Speaker 2: in one A in whatever order.

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Speaker 4: So those are the two things to consider.

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Speaker 2: There is how he got the job and how you

672
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Speaker 2: potentially lose this series to Miami. And we will be

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Speaker 2: watching tomorrow Game three in Miami. Fox Sports Radio Aeron

674
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: Torres Jason Martin Nuggets back to back buckets. They are

675
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Speaker 2: up ninety nine to ninety four, seven minutes left. We

676
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: will keep you updated on that and obviously have full

677
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: reaction the second this game goes final. But coming up

678
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Speaker 2: yesterday Friday, we did lose an NFL legend. We will

679
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Speaker 2: discuss Jim Brown his legacy. Bring in to Sager for

680
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Speaker 2: an extended conversation on Jim Brown.

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Speaker 4: That's next. Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Aeron Torres Jason Martin

687
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: broadcasting live from Thetiraq dot com studios. To quote the show,

688
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Speaker 2: Jersey Shore, we got ourselves a situation at Crypto dot

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Speaker 2: com Arena, Denver Nuggets up eight with four minutes to go.

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00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: They were on a thirteen to oh run, although the

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Speaker 2: Lakers have scored the last four but Denver with an

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Speaker 2: eight point lead with under four minutes to go. We

693
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Speaker 2: will keep you updated on this one, and obviously at

694
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Speaker 2: the top of next hour when this game goes final,

695
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Speaker 2: we will have reaction.

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Speaker 4: Outside of the NBA.

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Speaker 2: The big story of the last couple of days, it

698
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: was unfortunate, but it will. It involved the passing of

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Speaker 2: a legend. Jim Brown, the of course iconic Cleveland Brown's

700
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Speaker 2: running back, did pass away yesterday at the age of

701
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Speaker 2: eighty seven. You know, fascinating history and story. You know,

702
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: retired at a young age, was an actor, was an activist.

703
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that there were

704
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Speaker 2: some legal issues that you can read about if you

705
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Speaker 2: care too. But it goes without saying that this guy

706
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: was just an absolute icon, one of the great one

707
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Speaker 2: of the greatest, not just football players, but athletes ever born.

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Speaker 2: Some say he's the greatest lacross player ever. Played at

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Speaker 2: Syracuse as well.

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Speaker 4: Jason.

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Speaker 2: I want to bring you in, but I also want

712
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 2: to bring to Sagarin, who's Obviously, anybody who's ever listened

713
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: to to these airwaves knows that this is a historian

714
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Speaker 2: of all sports. So disager, you can hop right on in,

715
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: because I know that you have some context that maybe

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Speaker 2: even Jason and I don't.

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Speaker 7: Well, he passed away at his LA home on Thursday night,

718
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 7: and living in LA. The two things that immediately come

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Speaker 7: to mind with Jim Brown, who may be the greatest

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Speaker 7: running back in the NFL's history, the truce quite notably

721
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Speaker 7: that he brokeered between the Gangs in LA decades ago.

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Speaker 7: And also when the La Riots happened in the early nineties,

723
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Speaker 7: I witnessed news locally. Who did they bring on set

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Speaker 7: during that was Jim Brown to talk about how things

725
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 7: were going. Jim Brown, as the football player was not

726
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Speaker 7: just rookie of the year when he got into the league.

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Speaker 7: He was MVP of the league in his first year.

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Speaker 7: He was MVP of the league in his last year

729
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Speaker 7: before he retired. Crazy he never missed a game in

730
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Speaker 7: his entire career, and the Cleveland Browns have not won

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Speaker 7: the title since they had Jim Brown in nineteen sixty four.

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Speaker 2: And so really quick to segre so I knew he

733
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Speaker 2: had retired at a young age. It was over the

734
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Speaker 2: fact that he was going to report late because of

735
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 2: an acting gig. Right, he just said, forgets, you aren't model,

736
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Speaker 2: I'm out, basically.

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Speaker 7: And it wasn't just an acting gig. It was clearly

738
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Speaker 7: the start of something else, and he wound up being

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Speaker 7: in a lot of movies, and of course, with salaries

740
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Speaker 7: and pro sports back then, he could probably make more

741
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Speaker 7: money in movies. I'm glad you also mentioned that it

742
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 7: is part of the long resume, is you know? Jason Smith,

743
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 7: who's from Syracuse, talked about this on the show Friday

744
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 7: Night that he was at Syracuse. When Jim Brown returning

745
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Speaker 7: to his campus at Syracuse, there were women protesting his

746
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Speaker 7: presence there and I looked up the interview of why

747
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 7: and they deserve to be protesting. His attitudes and actions

748
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Speaker 7: towards women were not exemplary oftentimes and over a long

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Speaker 7: number of years. What really struck me was an interview

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Speaker 7: that was quoted in the obituary when he talked to

751
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Speaker 7: NFL Films and he said, I'll tell you something. As

752
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 7: I sit here now, I wouldn't even think of trying

753
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 7: to do anything wrong. I've learned how to turn the

754
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 7: other cheek, so put that on part of the man's

755
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Speaker 7: resume as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was you know, and Jayson and I

757
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 4: texted about.

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Speaker 3: That's well said, just to just to not to catch

759
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 3: you off there, Aaron, but that's well said, because look,

760
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: everyone is complicated and there are a lot of positives

761
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: and negatives that we could all look at everyone's life.

762
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Speaker 3: We can honor Jim Brown as an athlete, but we

763
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: can't completely gloss over the fact that there are some

764
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Speaker 3: very troubling things in Jim Brown's past as well.

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Speaker 7: He serves jail time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that was and and that's exactly what I

767
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: was gonna say, Jason, As you know, obviously, I think

768
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Speaker 2: it goes without saying. Jason and I talked throughout not

769
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Speaker 2: just the day in the lead up to a show,

770
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Speaker 2: but oftentimes two three days in lead up to a

771
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Speaker 2: show about what we'll discuss. And you obviously you want

772
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Speaker 2: to you want to honor the athlete and the athletic accomplishments.

773
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Speaker 2: This is a sports related show, and obviously you know

774
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Speaker 2: he did a lot of great civil work in his

775
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: post NFL career, but you also want to acknowledge that, Yes,

776
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: I think the word complicated is the nicest way you

777
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: can say it. I mean, you could take it in

778
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: a different direction. And again, those are all things that

779
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: you can find and you know in any obituary you

780
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: know obviously Wikipedia and things like that. But from a

781
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: football perspective, from an athletic perspective, I mean, you know,

782
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: like I said, you might have more context than I do,

783
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: but you know, not only a historic football player, but

784
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: but you know, as an iconic lacrosse player, and.

785
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Speaker 7: He's in that Hall of Fame, Pro Football Hall of Fame,

786
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 7: College Football Hall of Fame.

787
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Speaker 2: Some say the greatest cross player ever. I'm far from

788
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: a you know, an expert on all that, but not

789
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Speaker 2: an incredible athlete. And I think the stats that you

790
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: put out there to Sega and.

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00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 7: The fully played one hundred eighteen games and had more

792
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 7: than one hundred eighteen touchdowns.

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Speaker 4: Wow, So there you go.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, no, and I mean it speaks to

795
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Speaker 2: I mean, like when you talk to people that either

796
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: saw him or or know, these things just unbelievable. And

797
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: I think the other thing that's really interesting to me

798
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: is that we're now in this world where it's a

799
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Speaker 2: little bit normal for certain athletes to certainly play long,

800
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: but plenty of athletes to retire at a young age.

801
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: They've made their money, they've done this, they want to

802
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: do something else. For him to step away just at

803
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Speaker 2: thirty and say, you know what, One, I could do

804
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: other things. But then two also, you know, maybe my

805
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 2: body doesn't need to take a physical toll. That's what

806
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 2: kind of stands out to me about his legacy as well.

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio aeron Torus Jason Martin broadcasting live from

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Speaker 2: the tirec dot com studios with the Sager and this

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Speaker 2: NBA game is getting very interesting. We are under three

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Speaker 2: minutes to go, Denver up by ten, looking to go

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Speaker 2: up three to zero. We're gonna discuss that this game

812
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Speaker 2: is about to go final. We'll be back Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in everybody, our two Torres and Martin taking me

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Speaker 2: how about this, the Denver Nuggets one nineteen, Los Angeles

823
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Speaker 2: Lakers one oh eight Lebron James A. Dennis Shrew didn't

824
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Speaker 2: even wait for the game to go final. They were

825
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: walking back to the locker room. Jason Martin, there is

826
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: a lot to react to. There is a lot of thoughts.

827
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Speaker 2: But when I tell you that the Denver Nuggets just

828
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: went up three nothing at Crypto dot Com Arena, Los

829
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Speaker 2: Angeles Lakers trail three after a very impressive early part

830
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Speaker 2: of these playoffs, obviously dominating Golden State in the last round,

831
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Speaker 2: what is your first reaction?

832
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: My friend, well helped us to rename them the Los

833
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: Angeles Oceans instead of the Lakers because they're headed to Cancun. So, oh,

834
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Speaker 3: let's just say this. First off, you got in Game

835
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 3: one and Game two two very pedestrian fourth quarters from

836
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Speaker 3: Nikola Jokic, and you lost both those games. Now, Jamal

837
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: Murray went off in the fourth quarter of Game two,

838
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: his fourth to twenty point fourth quarter in the playoffs,

839
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Speaker 3: which the most anybody's had in twenty five years, and

840
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 3: then he came out and just lit it up in

841
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: the first half to night had thirty points, but he

842
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 3: only finished with thirty seven, and he didn't score I

843
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: think in the third quarter at all. Jokicic tonight. The

844
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: first three quarters of this game. That's some of the

845
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Speaker 3: worst basketball I've seen him play. And credit to the

846
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: Lakers because they were making it difficult, but Jokic was

847
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 3: missing shots. He just looked off and I was thinking,

848
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Speaker 3: as this thing was going to the fourth I said, Okay, Jokic,

849
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Speaker 3: we know how good he is. Is he ready to

850
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: take this game over? Because it seemed like Murray had

851
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: gotten a little bit passive. Well what did he do?

852
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: He had fifteen points in the fourth quarter. He was bullying,

853
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: he was physical, he was getting under the skin of

854
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: Lakers defenders. He was making it very difficult for the

855
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: referees not to call everything. And then he started making

856
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: a couple the shots. And now you're looking up at

857
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 3: a three to zero lead, where the team that leads

858
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: three to zero in this scenario is one forty nine

859
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: to oh. No one's ever come back from this at

860
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: this level in the playoffs, So the Lakers would have

861
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 3: to actually make history that's never been done before in

862
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 3: order to do this. And I don't think anybody believes

863
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 3: that that's possible. I was surprised that Lebron and Shruder

864
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: were off the floor with six seconds left. They were

865
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: following them off. Lebron James at some point, somebody needs

866
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: to get a hold of him and tell him to

867
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: stop shooting three pointers, because every time I saw the

868
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: Lakers making some kind of run, he would then take

869
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: a three. That was a good look, but it's not

870
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 3: for him because he's very at best, he's streaky. He

871
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: made two threes laid in the third quarter Aaron, but

872
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 3: then everything he took in the fourth it just seemed

873
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: to be a momentum killer for his own basketball team.

874
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: You've got dudes out there to do that. Lebron James

875
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: needs to be going into the paint and trying to

876
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: force the issue. And it makes you wonder at this

877
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: stage in his career, is he still capable of doing

878
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: that for four quarters or does he get a little

879
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 3: bit gassed and sit there and settle for the three.

880
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: At times in his career, you've been able to criticize

881
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: him for that, I think for a very very long time,

882
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: but that's not really his game and it definitely harmed

883
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: them tonights. Not like he was bad, but he needed

884
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: to be better, especially when you got twenty eight and

885
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: eighteen from Anthony Davis and completely squandered it.

886
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you bring that up, because you know,

887
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: first of all, I came on air the top of

888
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: last hour, and I talked a lot about you know,

889
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: a lot of different things, but but I talked about

890
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: a lot of what you just said and what stands

891
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: out to me. When I came on air at ten

892
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: o'clock Eastern time, it was the start of the third quarter,

893
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis had twenty one points and fourteen rebounds. I

894
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: believe finished with twenty eight and eighteen. Lebron James only

895
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: had nine at that point, finishes with twenty three. So

896
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: I just bring it up to say that it was

897
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: clear that what was working early which had them in

898
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: the game, they went away from late. I mean, we're

899
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 2: talking about seven points over the final probably quarter and

900
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: and really three essentially the entire second half. Anthony Davis

901
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 2: has seven points. And then again to your point, Nikola Jokicic,

902
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: when I came on here, I think he had seven

903
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: points and you know, whatever rebounds, whatever, it says, he

904
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: finishes the game strong. So I'm with you from the

905
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: Lakers perspective and from the Nuggets perspective. You know, I

906
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: do think that, Listen. I just think the better team

907
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: showed themselves out. And this is this isn't an anti

908
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: Lakers thing either. Like to be clear, like there have

909
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: been times a lot in the past couple of years

910
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: that you could criticize the Lakers. I don't think this

911
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: is one of those moments. I just think Denver is

912
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: a really good team. And whether it's because of the

913
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: time zone that they play in, whether it's because of

914
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 2: you know, Jokich is kind of this understated star. Some

915
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: people thought coming into these playoffs he was overrated. I

916
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: wasn't personally one of them because Jamal Murray maybe hadn't

917
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: had that breakout moment following the injury. I don't know

918
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: what it is, but I think one thing that has

919
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: become clear this is a really good team and to

920
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: go on the road and do what they did tonight,

921
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: because listen, again I opened the show by saying this,

922
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: the a playoff series doesn't start till the home team loses,

923
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: and so two oh, as we talked about earlier in

924
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: the show, this is must win for the Lakers, not

925
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: only because you'd be down three to zero, but because

926
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 2: you gotta give Denver your best shot coming home. I'm

927
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: just shocked at how how good Denver played, but I

928
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: also how good they closed. I mean, Jokic making plays,

929
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: Michael Porter hitting shots, Jamal Murray hitting shots. This is

930
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: just a good, well built team, deep team. I remember

931
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: talking about this with you before I left on vacation

932
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: two weeks ago. Jason, I mean, it's not just Jokic.

933
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 3: It's not at all.

934
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 2: It's Porter, it's Aaron Gordon, It's a lot of different

935
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: guys that can get you at any given time. They

936
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: just look like the better team. And that's not a

937
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: tear down the Lakers statement. It's a very much this

938
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 2: Denver team's for real statement.

939
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the Lakers have done more at this stage,

940
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 3: I think than most of us thought. We've already praised

941
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 3: Rob Polinka on this program for the better part of

942
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: a month, maybe even longer, for the moves that he

943
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: made at the trade deadline, and in most cases they've worked.

944
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 3: I think Russell has been a major liability for them,

945
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: especially in this series. I do not expect he will

946
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 3: be back, but you look at some of the other

947
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: things they've done. I like it to the Denver point.

948
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you get seventeen out of Contavious Calwell, Pope.

949
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: This is the second game of a row where he's

950
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: shot really well from distance. He's on the road, although

951
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 3: he knows that building pretty well. Four of seven from

952
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: three seem like he Again, it was very efficient basketball

953
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: that he played. You got Brown, Who's gonna make some

954
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 3: money in this offseason. He goes and gets you fifteen

955
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: off the bench. That's a guy that can start for

956
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: a lot of teams in the league. You just have

957
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: a lot of pieces that make sense together. And Malone's

958
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: very under rated coach. This is a year where you

959
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: look at this Denver should win the championship. They should.

960
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: I know how dangerous Miami is with Jimmy Butler. I

961
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 3: don't trust Boston. I do trust Denver. But even with

962
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 3: that said, there have been stretches in all three of

963
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 3: these basketball games where the Lakers looked like they were

964
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 3: the aggressors and they looked like they could win the game.

965
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: They had a great fourth quarter in Game one, but

966
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: they got dominated for three quarters. They did in Game two,

967
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 3: they had an outstanding fourth quarter but still managed to

968
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: come up short in the end because Murray had an

969
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: insane fourth quarter and then tonight it felt like it

970
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: was a game of runs, which it often is in

971
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 3: the NBA, especially in a playoffs, and it's usually not

972
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: if you're gonna get a run, but when you get

973
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 3: your run, that determines whether or not you're gonna win

974
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 3: the basketball game. Nuggets came out on fire, Lakers got hot,

975
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 3: crowd got into it, Jokicic was a little bit off.

976
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: It was good that they had Murray, and what really

977
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: helped the Lakers in the first half was Austin Reeves

978
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 3: was really on his game, and I felt like that

979
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 3: kind of changed a bit in the second half. But

980
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: you had a scenario where both Davis you mentioned he

981
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 3: had twenty one points, finished with twenty eight. He only

982
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 3: scored seven in that second half. Same thing for Murray,

983
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 3: So what was the difference. Lebron did come alive and

984
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: start playing a little bit better, although he again missed

985
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 3: some crucial free throws in that fourth quarter. You missed

986
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: an a one free throw and he missed the front

987
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: end of one, I believe as well. Jokichen just ends

988
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: up scoring fifteen in that same stretch, getting guys involved,

989
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: and they just run away because they have a couple

990
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: more shot makers. Porter makes I think the Dagger three

991
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 3: with about one oh seven somewhere like that on the clock,

992
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: they're just a little bit better. The Lakers are a

993
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: good basketball team. The Nuggets look like a championship team.

994
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 4: Agreed to one hundred percent.

995
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: I think that's the part maybe to me that as

996
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: you talked it out, I think really stands out to me, Jason,

997
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 2: is is that like the first two games you can

998
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 2: I don't want to say missed because the Nuggets won them,

999
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: but Game one, Jokic is out of this world, especially

1000
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: in the first half, and you fall down by a

1001
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 2: million whatever, and then you rally and you're actually in

1002
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: pretty good shape. Game two again you're in great shape,

1003
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: and then Jamal Murray goes Superman and he ended up

1004
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: losing that game. And so so you're talking about you know,

1005
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: historic is not the right word, but but just two

1006
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: just insane performances. You easily could have won Game two.

1007
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to say you could have won Game one,

1008
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: but but but you showed out well considering how things started,

1009
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: this was just a game where it was in your

1010
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: hands and this that team that you played, had more

1011
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 2: guys making more plays in your building, and so you know,

1012
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 2: all the credit in the world to the Nuggets.

1013
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 4: I don't know what else there is to say.

1014
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: I I just I think I speak for a lot

1015
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: of people when I say, Jaez, I'm just in shock

1016
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 2: to just not not because they won, but because listen,

1017
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: there were a lot of scenarios where you could see

1018
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: a Lakers win, where you you could see Nuggets win,

1019
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 2: whether it was a really off game from Anthony Davis,

1020
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 2: a really off game from Lebron James, getting zero contribution

1021
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: from any one other than the big two for the Lakers. Well,

1022
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: as I said, Anthony Davis, twenty eight points, fifteen boards, Lebron,

1023
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: I know he missed some shots late, but twenty three

1024
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: points for him, Austin Reeves played well in the first half. Like,

1025
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: that's the part that stands out, is you got something

1026
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: close to the Lakers' best effort and you just were

1027
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: better late in this game. Just that's the thing that,

1028
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: as I'm talking it out now, is shocking is not

1029
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: the right word, but maybe shocking is the right word.

1030
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: I'm stunned, not that the Nuggets won, but how they

1031
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: won that game.

1032
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 7: Jays.

1033
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: One narrative that I think hopefully has been put to

1034
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 3: death is this idea that's been out there now for

1035
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 3: over a year that Murray is nothing outside the bubble,

1036
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: that everything about Murray was what he did in the

1037
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 3: bub during the COVID playoffs, and that he's not that

1038
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 3: special of a player. We can quiet that one down.

1039
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 3: Whoever was out there saying that, let's go ahead and

1040
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 3: sho on that, because again, it wasn't the strongest second

1041
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 3: half for him, but he still ends up fifteen to

1042
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 3: twenty nine for thirty seven points to go with six

1043
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 3: assists and seven boards in this game, and Jokicic just

1044
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: very casually again ends up over twenty points because of

1045
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: what he did in the fourth quarter. There's just that's

1046
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: that's the nature of this Nuggets team is there's they're

1047
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 3: relentless because they have so many different ways and different

1048
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 3: guys that could potentially get hot and beat you. They're

1049
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 3: not so reliant on Jason Tatum getting fifty one points

1050
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: to win a game as Boston. They're not so dependent

1051
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: on Joe l Embiid having to go for forty on

1052
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 3: the same night that James Harden goes for twenty five

1053
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 3: to win a game, or at the very least, Maxi's

1054
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: gotta be hot. There are so many different ways and guys.

1055
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you had five Nuggets in double figures with

1056
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 3: at least fourteen points in this game. You had fourteen

1057
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 3: from Porter Junior, at fifteen from Brown off the bench,

1058
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 3: you had seventeen from kcp at, twenty four from Jokic,

1059
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 3: and thirty seven from Jamal Murray. That's generally gonna get

1060
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 3: it done. You had a wide variety of guys that

1061
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 3: were contributing, and I think they deserve and they are

1062
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: finally earning that credit because playing against the Lakers, especially

1063
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 3: in primetime, with the ratings that the Lakers have been

1064
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 3: drawing during this postseason, people are finally getting to see

1065
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: how good this Nuggets team has been for years and

1066
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 3: how maybe it's all finally coming home for them.

1067
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: Don't disagree on anything, obviously, Lakers falling down three, they

1068
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 2: got a lot of stuff that they got to get

1069
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: figured out here over the next couple of days, with

1070
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 2: Game four taking place on Monday night, Fox Sports Radio

1071
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,560
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1072
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00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: continue to react to Game three at Crypto dot Com

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Speaker 2: Arena where the Denver Nuggets go up three nothing on

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Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Lakers. Got two questions for you. We'll

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Speaker 2: discuss that next Fox Sport Tridio. Welcome back everybody, Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio ERRATORUS Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tireraq

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00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 2: dot Com studios. And if you're just getting in your car,

1083
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 2: maybe you're out to dinner with family, with friends, doing whatever.

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00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 2: As I said last segment to quote the show Jersey Shore,

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00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: we got ourselves a situation in Los Angeles where the

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Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets just took Game three at Crypto dot Com Arena.

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00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 2: The final score one nineteen one oh eight. And really

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00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 2: before the break, Jason and I were talking about the

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00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: fact Jason Martin Aaron Torres by the way, talking about

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00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 2: the fact that there was no you can't I almost said,

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00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: stole Game three. They didn't steal Game three. They were

1092
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 2: the better team, they made more plays late, they were clutch,

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00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 2: and the Denver Nuggets are now up three to nothing. Jason,

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Speaker 2: And so a couple questions for you stemming from this game.

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Speaker 2: The first one, I think I know the answer. The Nuggets,

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00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 2: regardless of what happened, going forward, they have to be

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Speaker 2: deemed the favorite, right I'll just lay it out for people.

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Speaker 2: They're up three to zero, gotta win one of the

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Speaker 2: next four to advance to the NBA Finals. They would

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Speaker 2: have home court advantage in the NBA Finals. And they're

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00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 2: also obviously just playing just an unbelievable brand of basketball

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00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: right now. This is a team that is just they're

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00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: playing so well. I take that back, By the way,

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00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 2: the Boston Celtics would have home court advantage if the

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00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: Celtics were to advance to the NBA Finals, but Nuggets

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Speaker 2: playing great up three to zero, do you believe that

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Speaker 2: of the four teams left, Jayson should considered the favorites?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, by the way, eight seven to seven ninety nine

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Speaker 3: on Foxes nine nine to six, six three six ' nine.

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Speaker 3: If you want to chime in on. Obviously, a big

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Speaker 3: game tonight and a big result. I know a lot

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Speaker 3: of Lakers fans might have something to say this evening,

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00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: But whoever you are in the NBA landscape, whatever you

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00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 3: might want to talk about, give us a call. Nine

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Speaker 3: nine to six sixty three. Six nine is how you

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Speaker 3: do it. But yes, absolutely they should be the favorites.

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Speaker 3: They look like the most complete team. They look like

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Speaker 3: the most confident team. Look, they've won five in a

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Speaker 3: row now, two against Kevin Durant, three against Lebron James

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Speaker 3: and Anthony Davis. They they finished the Suns off when

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00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 3: that series got a little tight, and now they have

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Speaker 3: found a way to cut out three wins against the

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Speaker 3: Lakers team where they've just been stronger, where the Nuggets

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Speaker 3: have just had a better fourth quarter. They've they've found

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Speaker 3: a way. Something has clicked for them. But you look

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Speaker 3: at them the way that they can score the ball tonight,

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Speaker 3: And this is kind of shocking to me as well,

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Speaker 3: because the stats usually wouldn't favor this, but the Lakers

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Speaker 3: took ten more free throws, made eight more, they ended

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Speaker 3: up with a higher percentage. They actually outrebounded the Nuggets,

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00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 3: which hasn't happened a lot because of Anthony Davis's eighteen boards.

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Speaker 3: They out rebounded him forty five to thirty nine. Still

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Speaker 3: managed to lose this basketball game because they took thirty

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Speaker 3: two threes and only made ten of them. So that's

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Speaker 3: part of this. But the Nuggets shoot the ball well,

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Speaker 3: they rebound, they played discipline basketball. They usually don't turn

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Speaker 3: the ball over all that much. You have to find

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Speaker 3: a way to outlast them for four quarters. This should

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Speaker 3: have been going into the playoffs. This shouldn't be a

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Speaker 3: surprise that we find the Nuggets here at all. Of course,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to Bernie Froda wh in the fourth hour

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Speaker 3: of the show, and that's who we picked before the

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Speaker 3: playoffs started. And Bernie looks very smart right now because

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Speaker 3: I started to agree with him watching the Phoenix Series.

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00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: About Game two in the Phoenix Series, I thought, you

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00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 3: know what, yep, I think the Nuggets probably should be

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Speaker 3: your favorites. As matter of fact, if they were to

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Speaker 3: find a way to not win right now, I think

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00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 3: this would be quite disappointing. This would feel very Buffalo

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Speaker 3: Bills like. If the Nuggets weren't able to close this.

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Speaker 2: Out, well, yeah, I mean, obviously you have to win

1152
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Speaker 2: this series against the Lakers, and I get Game four

1153
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: is gonna be at Crypto. I get all that, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: you gotta win this series and then from the NBA Finals,

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I would think you'd be favored if

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00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: Boston somehow comes back. First of all, Boston somehow comes

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00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: back and beats Miami, it means that Boston has some

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00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: big time momentum because it means they won four out

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Speaker 2: of the last seven or four out of the last five.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me to win in either six or seven, so one,

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Speaker 2: Boston would have some momentum and Boston would have home

1162
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Speaker 2: court advantage.

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Speaker 4: But I agree with you on that.

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Speaker 2: And I'll say this too, is that that I wasn't

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00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: always a Denver believer myself. And again we'll get to

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Speaker 2: Bernie as to why he liked this Nuggets team so

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00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: much so early, because I'm with you. I think it

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Speaker 2: was Game one of the Sun series that I was sold.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why. We were on air during

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Speaker 2: that game. I remember we had Mark Medina on with us,

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Speaker 2: But that was the game that First of all, you

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Speaker 2: know you're playing Phoenix, and you know Phoenix listened. Maybe

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Speaker 2: at some point tonight we talked about Phoenix. Maybe we don't,

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00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: but they were limited in what they could do. But

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00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: they the guys that can ball, can really ball for Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: Obviously it goes without saying, and it was before Chris

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Speaker 2: Paul got hurt. But I think this thing that stood

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Speaker 2: out to me at that point was the depth of

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00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: which and this is something we've talked about over the

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Speaker 2: last half hour. Again, if you're just joining us, the

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Speaker 2: Nuggets one nineteen beat the Lakers one nineteen, one oh

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Speaker 2: eight in Los Angeles tonight, they're up three to nothing.

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Speaker 2: The thing that stood out to me just so many

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00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 2: different guys that can beat you. And I remember that night.

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Speaker 2: It was Michael Porter Junior, it was Aaron Gordon, and

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Speaker 2: then you know, Jamal Murray had played well to that point,

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Speaker 2: but we hadn't even seen what he has become.

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Speaker 4: Jokic.

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Speaker 2: I think that's really the thing that stands out is

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Speaker 2: that all of these teams, even Miami to a degree,

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler, as great as he is, if you're not

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Speaker 2: getting Jimmy Butler, you can clip Miami. Same obviously, certainly

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Speaker 2: with the Celtics with Jason Tatum.

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Speaker 4: Uh, same with the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: If ad Or Lebron has a bad night, do you

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Speaker 2: get enough from those other guys. When you get the

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Speaker 2: great Lonnie Walker performance with a great and Austin Reeves performance,

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Speaker 2: then you can then the Lakers win. But if they're

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Speaker 2: not great, I don't know that you can. As we

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Speaker 2: saw in Game two and and for most of the

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Speaker 2: game tonight, I don't even know that you need to

1202
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Speaker 2: have a great performance from those guys. Jason, uh, you know.

1203
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Speaker 4: You know you don't excuse me, you don't.

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Speaker 2: Even need a great performance from NICOLEA. Jokic and the

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01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: Nuggets can still beat really good teams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah again, they're they're deep, although they only played eight

1207
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Speaker 3: guys tonight and one of those guys only played three minutes,

1208
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 3: so as usual in the playoffs, the benches get shorter,

1209
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Speaker 3: usually not longer. For instance, the Lakers played more folks

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Speaker 3: last or more folks tonight, and they had three guys

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Speaker 3: go over twenty points. Lebron and Austin Reeves both have

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Speaker 3: twenty three. I think all I wants to talk about

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Speaker 3: Austin Reeves and Anthony Davis finishes up with twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: But you just look at it. Jokics was bad for

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Speaker 3: three quarters and it didn't matter because Jamal Murray was

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01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 3: exquisite in the first half, and then you were getting

1217
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 3: contributions from guys like KCP from three and Michael Porter Junior, who, look,

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01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 3: it wasn't like a great offensive performance, but he made

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Speaker 3: some critical threes, including the dagger. Late. They didn't shoot

1220
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Speaker 3: great from the free throw line. But again, they had

1221
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 3: five turnovers in this game. As a team, in forty

1222
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 3: eight minutes of basketball, they had five turnovers. The Lakers

1223
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 3: had twelve. That's I mean right there, playing disciplined, not

1224
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Speaker 3: beating yourself. That generally spells good things for teams, especially

1225
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 3: this deep into playoffs, because the details begin to matter.

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Speaker 3: And to me, the most detail oriented team that I've

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Speaker 3: seen this postseason, the one that just it feels like

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01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 3: everything is buttoned up, the iSER dotted to tease across.

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Speaker 3: That's the Denver Nuggets.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Radio aeron Torris Jason Martin broadcasting

1231
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: live from the tyreck dot Com studios. Again you want

1232
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 2: to call in, please feel free to give us a

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Speaker 2: buzz one eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox one

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Speaker 2: eight seven seven nine nine six six three sixty nine

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Speaker 2: coming up. We'll take some of your calls and we

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Speaker 2: will also react from the Lakers perspective. If this thing

1237
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: is over, what do they do next? We'll discuss that next,

1238
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Speaker 2: but first let's toss it over the news desk.

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Speaker 7: Steve to see Steven Denver Nuggets have never been to

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01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 7: the NBA Finals. They are one win away, up three

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01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 7: games to none after beating the Lakers in LA and

1242
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Speaker 7: the Western Conference Finals tonight one nineteen one Oway. Denver

1243
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 7: dominated the opening quarter, had a seventeen to one run

1244
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 7: in the first period, and yet it was only a

1245
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 7: three point lead at half. Lakers actually had a brief

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01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 7: lead at ninety four ninety three with seven and a

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01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 7: half minutes to go, and then the Nuggets went on

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01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 7: a thirteen to oh run and essentially closed the game

1249
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 7: right there. Jamal Murray thirty seven points tonight, thirty in

1250
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 7: the first half. Anthony Davis in defeat twenty eight points,

1251
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 7: eighteen rebounds. Game four is Monday night, also in LA.

1252
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Speaker 7: Each NBA series will have a game every other night,

1253
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 7: so Game three of the East Finals is Tomorrow night

1254
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 7: at Miami, which leads two games to night against the Celtics.

1255
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 7: All Conference final games start at about eight thirty pm

1256
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 7: Eastern time. By the way, the NBA Finals begin June

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Speaker 7: the first Stanley Cup Playoffs Florida on Thursday one in

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01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 7: four overtimes in its series opener at Carolina. Florida won

1259
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 7: in Oprah very quickly at overtime. Tonight at Carolina two

1260
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 7: to one. The final Panthers lead the East Finals two

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01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 7: games to none. Game two of the West Finals Sunday

1262
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 7: afternoon in Vegas. Brooks Koepka leads by one stroke at

1263
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,479
Speaker 7: the PGA Championship after a third round sixty six. Bryce

1264
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 7: and deshambo As three back National Treasure won the Preakness.

1265
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 7: Blazing Sevens was a close second. The two heats were

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Speaker 7: tonight in NASCAR on FS one, preparing for the annual

1267
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 7: All Star Race Tomorrow night. On FS one, Daniel Suarez

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01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 7: and Chris Buscher will start in the front row after

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01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 7: winning heats in North Wilkesbarre or North Carolina. This evening,

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Speaker 7: there are two late games in Major League Baseball. The

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Speaker 7: Twins lead three to one over the Angels top of

1272
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 7: the fifth and going to the fifth inning. Red Sox

1273
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 7: lead at San Diego four to one. Padres with just

1274
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 7: one hit. Padres record twenty and twenty five this season.

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01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,479
Speaker 7: The Dodgers had gone sixteen and four over their last

1276
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 7: twenty games, but the Cardinals held him off for a

1277
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 7: victory tonight six ' five over La Dodger pitcher Julio

1278
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 7: Arius Goes on the injured list with a strain hamstring.

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01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 7: Seattle was down early but still won at Atlanta seven

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Speaker 7: to three. Tampa Bay with another victory eight to four

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01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 7: over Milwaukee. The Rays home record is twenty one and three.

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Speaker 7: Yankees won in ten innings at Cincinnati seven to four.

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Speaker 7: Aaron Judge the go ahead single. He went four for

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Speaker 7: four with three RBIs. Houston won at six in a row,

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Speaker 7: Baltimore won in ten innings victories for Texas and Philadelphia,

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Speaker 7: and the Mets home game against Cleveland was rained out.

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Speaker 7: They'll play two tomorrow split doubleheader. Just last night, the

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Speaker 7: Mets scored three in the tenth to win, so they've

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Speaker 7: actually won three in a row. Record of twenty three

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Speaker 7: and twenty three for the Met's payroll. Well, Jamal Murray

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Speaker 7: was the story for most of the game tonight. Did

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Speaker 7: you know after that great fourth quarter he had against

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Speaker 7: the Lakers last game and the dominant first quarter tonight

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Speaker 7: that was forty points in two quarters of playoff basketball,

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01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 7: fourteen of seventeen shooting at that point in that stretch

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Speaker 7: against the Lakers again, Game four Monday night in LA

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Speaker 7: back Team.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Steve Sager, Fox Sports Radio, Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Saturday, Aaron Torres, Jason Martin broadcasting live from the

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Speaker 2: Tireck dot Com studios. Lebron James is up at the

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Speaker 2: podium right now, so we will be monitoring for anything

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01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 2: interesting that he says. And again, if you want to

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Speaker 2: chime in, feel free to give us a call one

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Speaker 2: eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox one eight seven

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Speaker 2: seven nine nine six six three six nine. I do

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Speaker 2: believe we have one caller waiting for us. Let's go

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Speaker 2: ahead and go to Gary.

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Speaker 3: Gary.

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Speaker 2: First of all, where are you listening in? And I

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01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 2: know you have a lot of hot takes to share

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Speaker 2: on the Lakers.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm I'm looking clothes California.

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01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so I'm guessing you're a Heat fan

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01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 2: then right now I'm kidding.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, No, I'm a Lakers fan. But I'll tell you.

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01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 8: I'll say I got two major takes on these playoffs.

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Speaker 8: Because you don't watch Denver much when we live out here,

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01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 8: you know, we have we have what three four teams

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01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 8: in the state and Jokic is an amazing player. He's

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01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 8: he's so much better than I thought he was. But

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01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 8: I think the thing that's come out of the playoffs

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01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 8: for the Lakers is how good Austin Reeves is. He

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01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 8: shows up every single game. And you know, if if

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01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 8: Lebron and Ad have the heart this kid had right now,

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01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 8: they wouldn't be down three zero. I mean it's like

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01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 8: the other night Lebron bricked up what three three pointers

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01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 8: in a span of three and a half minutes when

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01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 8: the Lakers were still leading. You know, that's not how

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01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 8: you win. You drive to the basket, you take advantage

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01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 8: of this team. But you know, I don't get it,

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01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,919
Speaker 8: and I don't think that's going to be the same

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01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 8: team they have next year. I think Russell's proven he's worthless.

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Speaker 4: Oh I'll tell you what.

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01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 3: He's been flat out terrible in this series.

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Speaker 2: Particularly, I'll tell you what, Gary, Thank you for the call,

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01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: and Gary could be hosting this show because he literally

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01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 2: led into what I wanted to ask you next, Jason,

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01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 2: is that Listen. You know we have both praised Rob

1339
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: Polinka for being able to put this group together on

1340
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 2: the fly, but D'Angelo Russell, after this year his contract

1341
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 2: is done. Malik Beasley, they have a team option. Lonnie

1342
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 2: Walker is a free agent. Dennis Shrewder is a free agent.

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01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves, who to Gary's point, has been awesome, is

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01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 2: a free agent. And I think that's kind of the

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01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 2: thing that really stands out to me about this team

1346
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 2: is that, Listen, we get Lebron James thirty eight years old,

1347
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: and we can criticize some of the shots selection okay,

1348
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 2: but what he's doing at thirty eight years old is

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Speaker 2: pretty incredible. And Anthony Davis has been phenomenal. I think

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Speaker 2: this would be my concern if I'm a Lakers fan,

1351
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: is You're obviously never gonna get anything better from Lebron,

1352
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 2: which is understandable. He'll be thirty nine going on in

1353
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 2: the next playoffs, and I don't know you're gonna get

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01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 2: a better version of Anthony Davis. And it's like, you

1355
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: have this like perfect set of role players around them,

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01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 2: two things you're not gonna be able to afford to

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01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 2: keep all of them, and even if you do, it's

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01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 2: not good enough. So I think that's my concern. And

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Speaker 2: maybe Denver is just so good this year that there's

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Speaker 2: nothing you can do and whatever. But that's kind of

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Speaker 2: where I would be concerned if I'm a Lakers fan.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting some version of the best version of Anthony Davis.

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Speaker 2: On top of that, Lebron is about as good as

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Speaker 2: he'll probably ever be going forward. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: you can put a better group around them, and it's

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Speaker 2: not gonna be enough against this Denver team.

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Speaker 3: Jason, Yeah, I think the thing with Denver is you

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01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 3: can't show up and play even a beat plus game

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Speaker 3: and beat them, especially not in the playoffs. Like you've

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Speaker 3: got to show up and everybody's got to be really good,

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Speaker 3: and they've got to be good in multiple categories. To

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Speaker 3: Gary's point about Austin Reeves, it's been a revelation to

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Speaker 3: watch him develop this season. This is the guy in

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Speaker 3: his last ten games and this is this meaning are

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01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 3: these are all playoff games now, He's averaging eighteen points

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01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 3: six assists. He's shooting eighty nine percent from the free

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Speaker 3: throw line and forty nine percent from three, fifty seven

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Speaker 3: percent from the field in thirty four minutes in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Because we only have one year of sample size, obviously,

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01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 3: he's got sixteen point four points, four point six assists.

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01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 3: You know over four rebounds, he's shooting eighty seven percent

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Speaker 3: from the line and forty three percent for the entire

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Speaker 3: postseason from three. I need to see him shooting nine

1384
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 3: threes instead of Lebron James. I am going to make

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01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 3: that point again. Lebron went three of nine. He made

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01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 3: two towards the end of the third quarter. Outside of that,

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Speaker 3: he claimed almost everything he took from distance. He's still

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01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 3: a guy that can get what he wants generally when

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Speaker 3: he's inside the paint, especially when he's forcing the issue

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Speaker 3: and go into the rack. I think at this point

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Speaker 3: he doesn't really want to shoot free throws if he

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01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,799
Speaker 3: can help it, because that could be kind of spotty

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01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 3: for him. But when you've got a guy like Reeves

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Speaker 3: that can shoot that way from the outside, I want

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01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 3: to get him more opportunities to do that. I want

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Speaker 3: Davis to do what he does on the inside, and

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Speaker 3: I need Lebron to play like his height and weight

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Speaker 3: would dictate as opposed to kind of falling back and

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Speaker 3: shooting threes. And sometimes it just feels lazy, not that

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Speaker 3: he's not putting in the effort, just so he doesn't

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01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 3: have that oomph anymore, Like he doesn't have that lift

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01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 3: on that shot, and he's never been fully consistent with it.

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01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 3: He's very streaky with it, and that causes issues. But

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Speaker 3: this is the kind of guy. Reeves is the kind

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Speaker 3: of guy that you couldn't have thought they were gonna have.

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01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 3: They have him. You get twenty plus from both the

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01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 3: other guys and twenty plus from that guy, and you

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Speaker 3: still lose the game by eleven. That's how good Denver is.

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01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 3: And again, when you have a guy like D'Angelo Russell,

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01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 3: who is just he's a negative on the floor, you'd

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Speaker 3: almost rather go four on five than have him out

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01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 3: there the way that he's been playing, especially defensively. But

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01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 3: if he's not scoring the basketball, which he didn't tonight

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01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 3: and even have one field goal, then he can can't

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01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 3: be out there because he's not gonna do a whole

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01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 3: lot of other things to help you win. So I

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01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 3: don't know what the Lakers are gonna look like next year.

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01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 3: I know, at least I'm pretty sure he will not

1419
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 3: be a part of the team. Well, but they they they,

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01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 3: I mean, they're just not as good as Denver. That's

1421
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 3: the point here, is that the Denver Nuggets are better

1422
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,839
Speaker 3: than people thought to Gary's point because people are finally

1423
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 3: getting to see them and now they're like, oh, oh okay,

1424
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 3: now now this makes sense and you look at it

1425
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 3: and you're like, m b was the MVP, but jokicic

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01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 3: looks like he's playing at a higher level.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what.

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01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 2: We do have somebody waiting and we will get to

1429
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 2: them coming up to talk about D'Angelo Russell to your point,

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01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 2: and if people do want to chime in, feel free

1431
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,600
Speaker 2: to call us one eight seven seven ninety nine on

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Speaker 2: Fox one eight seven seven nine nine six six three

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Speaker 2: six nine. Again one eight seven seven nine nine six

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Speaker 2: six three six nine. We want to hear from you.

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Speaker 4: Coming up.

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Speaker 2: More reaction as the Denver Nuggets, in shocking fashion go

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01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 2: into Los Angeles and pick up a one nineteen to

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01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 2: one oh eight win. Denver now one game away from,

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01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 2: as de Segre just told you, their first ever trip

1440
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 2: to the NBA Finals. More reaction coming up. Your call's

1441
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 2: coming up. This is Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 4: Tell you what.

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01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 2: I don't know music, but I do know this is

1444
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 2: highway to the Dameround. And I bring it up because

1445
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 2: the Lakers inching dangerously closer to the dangerous zone. See

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01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 2: what I did there, Jason Martin, Come, who do you.

1447
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 3: Think is further down the danger zone right now? Joe

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01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 3: Mizzoula or Darvin Ham?

1449
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 2: You know, I will say, uh. Former Fox Sports radio

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01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 2: host Jason Whitlock. I actually I know he's in the

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01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 2: political space now. He doesn't really talk as much sports,

1452
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: but I thought he put out a funny tweet just

1453
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: a moment ago where he said, I'll pull up the tweet.

1454
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 2: He put out a poll on Twitter where he's said,

1455
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: when will Lebron's camp start blaming Darvin Ham and leaking

1456
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 2: negative stories on him tonight after Game four after elimination.

1457
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 2: And I hate to say it, but I think that

1458
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 2: is we have a pretty solid track record of somebody's

1459
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 2: got to take the fall when Lebron loses, some change

1460
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 2: has to be made. And it's really interesting because I

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01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 2: think about this all the time when I'm watching the

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01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 2: Miami Heat. Like, if we want to call Spoe the

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01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 2: best coach in the NBA, which he is, we also

1464
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 2: have to acknowledge that Lebron tried to get him fired

1465
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 2: year one in Miami and pat Riley basically said, son,

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01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 2: you know, go back to focus on basketball because that

1467
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 2: guy's not going anywhere, So credit to pat Riley because

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01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 2: Spoe is in Spoe. If pat Riley had kind of

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01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 2: backed down to the whims of Lebron James. I will

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01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 2: also say, as we've discussed previously, that this was also

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Speaker 2: the first time, probably since pat Riley, that at the

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Speaker 2: trade deadline, the Lakers did not acquiesce to to Lebron

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01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 2: James and do the things that he wanted. They put

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01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,719
Speaker 2: a real team around him, which got them to this point.

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01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 2: But again they are down three to zero after tonight

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01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 2: Nuggets win one nineteen one a eight. Really quickly, I

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Speaker 2: want to bring in our producer, Pat Diehard Lakers fan,

1478
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 2: and I want to ask you the same question I

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01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 2: asked Jason Martin.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of important.

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01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 2: Pieces on this team that are are are going to

1482
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,919
Speaker 2: hit free agency, and I'm just curious from your perspective,

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01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 2: I think you're getting something close to the best version

1484
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 2: of Anthony Davis, fully healthy, playing well. I don't think

1485
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 2: you can expect Lebron to be better than he's been

1486
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 2: going forward. Austin Reeve's gonna be a free agent. How

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01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 2: concerned are you that, like you got everything kind of

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01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: broke your way and it's still probably not gonna be

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Speaker 2: enough to get past Denver.

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Speaker 9: Well, I'll tell you what, Aaron I really do think

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Speaker 9: just seeing these three games. And also I think the

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Speaker 9: Lakers as a whole right now are capped ceiling wise,

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01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 9: like this is like the pinnacle of Lebron and a

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01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 9: D currently.

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01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 2: Real quick, do you think this group is capped or

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01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 2: do you think the Nuggets are maybe just better than

1497
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 2: we all thought they were.

1498
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 7: I think it's a little bit of both.

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01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 9: Personally, I think because now the role players around Lebron

1500
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 9: and a D. I think there's still a little potential there,

1501
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 9: you know, with Reeves and Ruey and a bunch of them.

1502
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 9: I think the capping of the ceiling is actually with

1503
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 9: Lebron and a D. Since you know, Lebron's thirty eight

1504
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 9: going on, you know, thirty nine at some point, and

1505
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 9: ad is always you know, data Davis on that one.

1506
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 9: It's just I think the ceilings at them. And also

1507
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 9: the Nuggets are just playing so good right now and

1508
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 9: just they can they could sink any shot right now.

1509
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 9: That offense is so electric to watch with Jamal Murray

1510
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 9: and Nikola Jokic. But just I'm very concerned as a

1511
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 9: Laker fan just because I feel like this is about

1512
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 9: as good as a Laker team is gonna get. With

1513
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 9: Lebron and AD's partnership.

1514
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 4: As of right now, I.

1515
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 3: Don't disagree with any of that.

1516
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's it's gonna be an interesting We're not

1517
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 2: in the offseason yet, so there's only We're only three

1518
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 2: games in and the Lakers will be at home on

1519
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 2: Monday night to try to keep their season alive. But

1520
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 2: it's not looking good and I don't really know how

1521
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 2: you put together a better group around those two, and

1522
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 2: I would be worried. Uh, Pat, do we still have

1523
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 2: the caller?

1524
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 10: Uh?

1525
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 4: Do we still have the caller available? The caller?

1526
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 3: Uh?

1527
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 2: Are you still there? Martin from Duluth, Minnesota? Are you

1528
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 2: are you there?

1529
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 7: Martin?

1530
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 3: Fox Sports? Right here?

1531
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1532
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 3: Here, what's going on?

1533
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:20,799
Speaker 6: Guys?

1534
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 4: Martin and Duluth Minnesota. What do you got you?

1535
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 2: You're gonna talk D'Angelo Russell And I remember, yeah, D'Angelo

1536
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 2: Russell played for the Minnesota Timberwolves. And I'm guessing you're

1537
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 2: probably not a big fan.

1538
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 11: Oh no, absolutely not. You know, I was wishing him

1539
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 11: the best before, you know, when he left went to

1540
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 11: the Lakers, because I still have some love for the

1541
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,799
Speaker 11: Lakers because they used to be the Minneapolis Lakers.

1542
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 3: Fair look at you. But you.

1543
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 11: Know he wants to say he needed to spread his

1544
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 11: wings and stuff, but you know he's out there just

1545
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 11: chucking up bricks every single time. Like literally, as you

1546
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 11: guys were saying a little bit ago, you'd rather play

1547
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 11: four and five than have him on the Like, if

1548
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 11: that's what's threading your wings is, and then go do it.

1549
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 11: But he's just gonna end up out of the league

1550
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 11: doing that.

1551
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for the call, Gary, We appreciate it. Uh, Martin,

1552
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 2: excuse me, thank you for the call.

1553
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 4: Martin. Yeah.

1554
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 2: No, And Jason, he's won. You know, it goes out

1555
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 2: saying like, I mean, I'm not breaking news here. There

1556
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 2: are really high highs with D'Angelo Russell, and but when

1557
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,600
Speaker 2: he's off, he does one thing and when he's not

1558
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 2: doing it, he doesn't bring much to the table, and

1559
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 2: it just, you know, I don't know, it just shows you.

1560
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 2: But I I'll say this for Dangel Russell, as bad

1561
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 2: as he was tonight, as bad as he's been in

1562
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 2: the series, I do still think you need him. I mean,

1563
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 2: because the one thing we keep going back to with

1564
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 2: this Denver Nuggets team. You look at this Nuggets team

1565
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 2: and they have so many different guys that can beat

1566
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 2: you on any given night. And the Lakers haven't had

1567
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 2: that third guy. I guess Austin Rivers or Austin Rivers,

1568
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves. I shouldn't say they haven't had that third guy.

1569
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: But they just need more dudes. But D'Angelo Russell has

1570
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 2: not come through, especially tonight, But but really throughout this entire.

1571
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 3: Playoff, no and here said, look, I'm not coming off

1572
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 3: the bench, and all of these things in terms of

1573
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 3: his future. He was one of eight from the field tonight,

1574
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 3: one of six from three. He was a minus twelve,

1575
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 3: and the plus minus ratio actually all the Lakers were

1576
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 3: in the minus territory tonight, which the plus minus thing

1577
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 3: is always kind of weird to me because Anthony Davis

1578
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,759
Speaker 3: should not be in it, and he was a minus

1579
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 3: twelve and he was twenty eight to eighteen for the night.

1580
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 3: But if D'Angelo Russell's not scoring, he shouldn't be anywhere

1581
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 3: near your basketball team. And you know he's very streaky.

1582
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 3: There are moments where he can get you twenty. But

1583
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 3: if he goes out there and has a game like

1584
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 3: this tonight. He turned the ball over three times. The

1585
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 3: Nuggets as a team turned it over five times, and

1586
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 3: D'Angelo Russell is only on the floor for twenty game

1587
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 3: minutes and he still managed to turn it over three

1588
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 3: times and score exactly three points during that stretch. It's

1589
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 3: so limited what he does that helps you. That's why

1590
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 3: I look at it and I'm just like, I'm starting Shrewder.

1591
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 3: First of all, he's somebody that I feel like I

1592
01:18:58,240 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 3: can trust a little bit more. It's not that he

1593
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 3: does everything right, but I feel better if I'm a

1594
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 3: Lakers fan with him on the floor than I do

1595
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 3: with Russell. And he mentioned Rui and so did Pat,

1596
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 3: and they're right, like, Rui's been good, Ruey had thirteen tonight.

1597
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 3: Rui's a guy that I want to see more from,

1598
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 3: even though he played thirty four minutes in this game.

1599
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 3: They have at least four guys you still like. You

1600
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 3: obviously like Ad when he's healthy. Lebron's older, but he's

1601
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 3: still Lebron. Maybe not Lebron, but he's still Lebron. Austin Reeves,

1602
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 3: and then you got Rui. Those are four guys you like.

1603
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 3: Russell's gonna be your odd man out. Somebody can pay him.

1604
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let somebody else pay him if I'm the Lakers.

1605
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 3: There's absolutely no reason at this point in the season

1606
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 3: that I am succumbing to him in any way, shape

1607
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 3: or form.

1608
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 4: I'll put I will put him on.

1609
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 3: The bench and risk losing him mentally because I think

1610
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 3: it gives me a better chance overall, because I can

1611
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 3: get better production in multiple categories from other guys.

1612
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 2: No, I don't disagree, And I think to the caller's point,

1613
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 2: he is who he is at this point, and this

1614
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 2: is kind of the perfect spot for him. They accept

1615
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 2: you for who you are. You don't have to be

1616
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 2: the star, you don't have to be the leader. And

1617
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 2: if you can't get along with this group, with these

1618
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 2: guys with these vets, that's kind of on you. Fox

1619
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 2: Sports Radio Aertorus Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Tirac

1620
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 2: dot Com studios. Coming up more NBA, but we go

1621
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 2: to the draft. Victor Winbanyama see as good as advertised. Oh,

1622
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 2: we'll discuss that next. Fox Sports Radio.

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01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 4: Welcome in Everybody, Hour three.

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01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:28,200
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1629
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Speaker 2: of the nights. It was in Los Angeles, the Lakers

1630
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 2: down two coming into the evening, desperately needed to get

1631
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 2: the victory. Instead, Denver wins one nineteen one oh eight.

1632
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 2: We've talked about it for the last hour, Jason. Any

1633
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,600
Speaker 2: closing thoughts that we have not hit on yet. I

1634
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 2: will just say, from my perspective, this Denver team just

1635
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 2: continues to impress me. And I think the thing that

1636
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 2: stands out to me, you know, there was nothing fluky

1637
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 2: about this that they just made more plays down the stretch,

1638
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 2: had more guys that could get buckets when they needed them,

1639
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 2: and Denver is now a game away from their first

1640
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:21,759
Speaker 2: ever trip to the NBA Finals.

1641
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just better. They're just a better team. They're

1642
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 3: more consistent, they have more guys that can beat you,

1643
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 3: and they have some guys that can flat out take

1644
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 3: over games. And Jokic can do it in three or

1645
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 3: four different statistical categories. Jamal Murray could go out there

1646
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 3: and just absolutely score the basketball with the best of them,

1647
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 3: and we have seen it. He's had what he had

1648
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 3: an incredible first quarter to a night incredible first half

1649
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 3: with thirty points. He of course had the twenty plus

1650
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 3: point fourth quarter in the last game, and they needed

1651
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 3: it because the Lakers were playing really tough down the

1652
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 3: stretch in both of those games, but just weren't. It

1653
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,560
Speaker 3: just was not enough for them. And just the Nuggets

1654
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 3: relentless nature, their depth, their coaching, and they're smarts in

1655
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,600
Speaker 3: terms of their discipline, the way they don't beat themselves.

1656
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 3: The Lakers are a good but this is what I said.

1657
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 3: Lakers are a good basketball team. But the Denver Nuggets

1658
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 3: have the look of a champion right now. And I

1659
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 3: would be I would be at this point disappointed if

1660
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 3: I was a Nuggets fan and they didn't actually finish

1661
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 3: and win the entire thing, because I don't care if

1662
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 3: Boston's got home court advantage. I don't think Boston's this good.

1663
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 3: I just don't. I don't try to be whatsoever, and

1664
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 3: they may not because they've got to win four or

1665
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,839
Speaker 3: five against Jimmy Butler, which is a tall.

1666
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 4: Order, and three of those would be in Miami.

1667
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 7: I think.

1668
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 2: They would have to win. I guess minimum of two

1669
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 2: in Miami. So I'm with you. I'm with you.

1670
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 4: Is that you know?

1671
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:50,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can say i'd be disappointed

1672
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 2: if I was. I think disappointed is the right word.

1673
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 4: Crushed. I don't know what the right word.

1674
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 2: Is because they've never been there before, so you'd probably

1675
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 2: be disappointed with the way your team's playing. But we'll

1676
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,839
Speaker 2: see Nuggets up three to zero after the win tonight

1677
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. And if you missed any of this,

1678
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 2: make sure if you missed any of our coverage of this,

1679
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 2: please go back and download the podcast available shortly after

1680
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 2: the show. I do want to move on, Jason. We

1681
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 2: spent in the last hour talking about the Nuggets and

1682
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 2: the Lakers. I want to switch gears to the future

1683
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 2: of the NBA because on Tuesday night, the much anticipated

1684
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 2: Victor Winn Banyama NBA Draft lottery happened. Obviously everybody knows

1685
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 2: by now, but when Banyama, the seven four, seven to

1686
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 2: five player from France, I don't even know if you

1687
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 2: could call him a center because he's far from the

1688
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 2: traditional center. You know, Summer calling him, you know, Adrian

1689
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 2: Wojanowski called him the most high profile, you know, team

1690
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 2: sport athlete that's ever most anticipated whatever seven of five,

1691
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 2: can put the ball on the floor, can shoot threes,

1692
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 2: can handle, can dribble, can pass. Certainly as one of

1693
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 2: the most impressive highlight tapes of any nineteen year old

1694
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 2: that I've ever seen, if not the most impressive. He

1695
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 2: does go to the San Antonio Spurs or they win

1696
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 2: the draft lottery, at least I don't see any scenario

1697
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 2: in which they don't draft them draft him when you

1698
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 2: know the their their their front office people, or are

1699
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 2: fist pumping and high fiving and talking about how this

1700
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 2: is a moment that changes their organization forever. I got

1701
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 2: a lot of thoughts on Victor win Binyama and uh,

1702
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 2: you know, and everything that happened on Tuesday night at

1703
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 2: that draft lottery in Chicago, but I'll toss it over

1704
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 2: to you first. First reaction when I say Victor Wind Minyama,

1705
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 2: when I say Spurs and everything that happened this week.

1706
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 3: The fit is exactly what I want. If I'm the NBA.

1707
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 4: And if you're Victor win Minyama, Yeah, for sure.

1708
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 3: But this is a guy where you don't want to

1709
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 3: see him go to some horribly run franchise with no

1710
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 3: fan base, no legacy, no tradition, a bad coach, a

1711
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 3: bad organization, badly run so that he struggles to live

1712
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 3: up to potential, or he struggles to be relevant. He

1713
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 3: gets to go be the centerpiece of a team that

1714
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 3: we're all very familiar with them looking the part. It

1715
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 3: hasn't been there for a while because they just haven't

1716
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 3: had anybody since Kawhi left. Really, I mean, I guess

1717
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 3: you had demart de rozen for a little bit there,

1718
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 3: But I mean you think about what it looks like

1719
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 3: when it's right in San Antonio, and then you think

1720
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 3: about some of the places and some of the teams

1721
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 3: that could have won the draft lottery and could have

1722
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 3: gotten the rights to take this young man, and it

1723
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 3: just if I'm the NBA, that's not what I would

1724
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 3: have wanted. San Antonio is a great NBA city in

1725
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 3: terms of how they back their team, and it's just

1726
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 3: a team that it just feels better when they're good.

1727
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 3: I think it's weird that the Spurs haven't been talked

1728
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,799
Speaker 3: about and haven't been relevant in a while. Popovich actually

1729
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 3: might have a reason to keep coaching at this point

1730
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 3: because you bring him in, you want a start to

1731
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 3: go somewhere where he can flourish. Now, sometimes the star

1732
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:52,799
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter right Like, It's not like the Bucks

1733
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 3: were a perfect landing spot, but Giannis has made them

1734
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 3: into what they are and they've been able to build

1735
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 3: around him, and the Spurs can do verse. Actually the

1736
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 3: exact same thing, But there are many places he could

1737
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 3: have gone where this would have been a much tougher climb.

1738
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 3: Even though the Spurs have been really bad. We know

1739
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 3: what the Spurs potential is. We know the organization is

1740
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 3: solid and has been for a very long time. And

1741
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 3: this is somebody that you look at and you say,

1742
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 3: and I've heard some other commentators on Fox Sports say

1743
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 3: the exact same thing over the last few weeks. The

1744
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 3: only reason we haven't talked more about Victor is because

1745
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 3: of where he plays and how limited our exposure to

1746
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 3: him is. We knew about Lebron James for years before

1747
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 3: he left high school. I mean, we knew about Kevin

1748
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 3: Garnett the year before he left. We knew about Kobe Bryant.

1749
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 3: We knew about some of these guys. We heard a

1750
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 3: lot about Lukadancic and I had predicted that year. I

1751
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 3: thought he would be better than Ayton and should be

1752
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 3: the number one overall pick. And even then that was

1753
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 3: for me going and watching a lot of highlights and saying,

1754
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 3: I actually think his game translates. But when we look

1755
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 3: at this guy, I just don't think enough people have

1756
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 3: seen him. But now they're hearing about him, and you

1757
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 3: look at his measurables and then you look at the

1758
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 3: varied skills that he possesses at that size. If he

1759
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 3: is as advertised and can do that in the NBA,

1760
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 3: holy cow, you've got another generational guy on your hands.

1761
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 2: Well, and that that to me, is the interesting part.

1762
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 4: First of all, I do agree with a couple of things.

1763
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 2: One I agree with I'm happy that he's going to

1764
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 2: San Antonio. Listen, I don't know if he's gonna be

1765
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 2: as good as everybody says if he isn't, but you

1766
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 2: want to see a young talented person be put in

1767
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 2: a place where they can potentially reach their their their

1768
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 2: highest level and their highest ceiling. And the Spurs have

1769
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:46,839
Speaker 2: a history and a track record of young guys, big guys, talent,

1770
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 2: front office, coaching staff, whatever.

1771
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 3: Two.

1772
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 2: I would also push back on what you just I'm

1773
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 2: not pushing back on what you said, but but what

1774
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 2: was the common conversation this this week of well, he's

1775
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 2: the most hyped. It's like, nah, I mean, if you

1776
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 2: want to say he's the most unique talent ever, I

1777
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 2: would I would say that's probably fair. I don't think

1778
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 2: he's the most hype player I've ever seen, because listen,

1779
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 2: there was once a guy named lebron Zion. Williamson's final

1780
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 2: college game, Yeah, Zion's final college game had seventeen million

1781
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 2: people watch that game.

1782
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 4: I mean, that's an insane amount.

1783
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 2: Of people to watch a college game. You know, Greg Odin,

1784
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 2: if you go back some of the stuff that was

1785
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:27,600
Speaker 2: written about him when he was in high school, that

1786
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 2: he would have been the number one pick in the

1787
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 2: draft as a sophomore in high school. So the hype

1788
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 2: is huge, but the you know, I think some of

1789
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 2: the hyperbole this week was a little bit much for me.

1790
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 2: What I do want to talk to you about, though, Jason,

1791
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 2: is this is that what like I don't even know

1792
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 2: how to ask this question, but like, what is fair

1793
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 2: to expect not just this coming season, but for his career,

1794
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 2: because I mean, listen, you know, I to be clear,

1795
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 2: I hope everybody understands.

1796
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 4: I love our colleague Chris Bussard.

1797
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 2: Okay, but Chris said this week he was one of

1798
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 2: many people that really kind of ramp things up. But

1799
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 2: Chris essentially said, if he's kd, if he's Anthony Davis,

1800
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 2: if he's a player of that caliber, he's a bust,

1801
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 2: basically saying that his ceiling is higher than all those

1802
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 2: players if he reaches it. I guess my concern is

1803
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 2: a couple of things. Is one I'd certainly never wish

1804
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 2: injury upon anybody, But there isn't a great track record

1805
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 2: of guys that yeah, that tall, and I went back

1806
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 2: and looked up some of the stats. I mean, it's

1807
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 2: it's really for guys that size, it's just not very good.

1808
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 2: I also think, and this is something I was thinking

1809
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 2: about this week too, is like we do live in

1810
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 2: the load management era as well, and so you have

1811
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:43,719
Speaker 2: a guy that tall, you know, any nook, any any injury,

1812
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 2: nick whatever he's going, everyone's going to be precautious. And

1813
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 2: so I hope he has the best career we've ever seen.

1814
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 2: I hope he's the next face of the league. I

1815
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 2: just think it's a lot for anybody to put some

1816
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 2: of the stuff that they've put on him, because I

1817
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 2: don't know. I just I just I'm more curious than

1818
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 2: anything to see what becomes of him, because some of

1819
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 2: the expectations feel really exceedingly high to me.

1820
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 3: Jason, Yeah, And this league is full of dogs at

1821
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 3: this point, Like it's full of guys that are big,

1822
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 3: that are strong, that are powerful, and that are crafty.

1823
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 3: And you're looking at Victor coming in and to your point,

1824
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 3: and I was worried about this too. If you're that tall,

1825
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 3: I'm immediately worried about your health, no question about Now.

1826
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 3: A lot of these guys that are tall coming to

1827
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 3: the league and they are very very thin. They're rails,

1828
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 3: and they just feel like they snap in half. When

1829
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 3: you look at his skill set and what he's going

1830
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 3: to be able to do, you feel good about that.

1831
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 3: But I do want to see this against NBA competition.

1832
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 3: Like the first question that was asked in the post

1833
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 3: draft like ESPN roundtable, was will when Banyanna have the

1834
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 3: Spurs in the playoffs next year? I'm like, can we

1835
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 3: calm down? Like he hasn't played a minute in the

1836
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 3: NBA yet, Like, let's get him here he's not gonna

1837
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 3: have a good team around him. I don't think they're

1838
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 3: gonna be that aggressive to surround him in year one.

1839
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 3: I have heard the argument, maybe they'll be fine to

1840
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 3: be not great again in his first year so that

1841
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,679
Speaker 3: they have a shot at another lottery pick and maybe

1842
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 3: they can get a second guy. Maybe they can get

1843
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 3: their Penny hardaway to marry with their shack and then

1844
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 3: you have something. But I do want to see how

1845
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 3: he holds up against the riggers of the NBA, how

1846
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 3: if his body can hold up, if the skills still

1847
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 3: translate against the NBA guys that he's gonna be dealing with,

1848
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 3: because it's gonna be completely different. And when you talk

1849
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 3: about that, if he turns out to be kd or

1850
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 3: if he turns out to be Anthony Davis, and that's

1851
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 3: gonna be a bust because of what his ceiling is,

1852
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 3: that's insanity. You should never place that on somebody like this.

1853
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 3: You can give him all the hype in the world.

1854
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 3: If he hasn't like Kevin Durant, you know what, he

1855
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 3: ends up in the Hall of Fame, that's not a bust.

1856
01:31:58,080 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 3: Like if he lives up to a ceiling, he's a

1857
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 3: great player ever. But if not, then he's he's been

1858
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 3: a failure. Like it can't be that way. I want

1859
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 3: to see him play and I want to give him

1860
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 3: a chance to show us what he's going to be

1861
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,719
Speaker 3: in the NBA before I try to place the label

1862
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 3: of what means success and what means failure on him,

1863
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 3: because I just think that's unfair and it's setting him

1864
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 3: up for pressure that should he manage to live up

1865
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 3: to it and look for all the critique and all

1866
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 3: the polarizing nature that Lebron James has created throughout his

1867
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 3: career for lovers and haters, Lebron James came in with

1868
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 3: hypel and like anything we'd ever seen, and he's lived

1869
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 3: up to it, and honestly, he's exceeded it in so

1870
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 3: many different ways. With the championships that he's won, with

1871
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:47,719
Speaker 3: being the face of this league for over fifteen years now,

1872
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 3: what he's done just absolutely extraordinary. I want to actually

1873
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 3: let this kid come into the league, this young man,

1874
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 3: come in and see what he's gonna do, and I

1875
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 3: want to give him the space to grow into the

1876
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 3: NBA rold before I immediately enshrine him somewhere and call

1877
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 3: him a seven time MVP or a bus.

1878
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 2: Totally agree on all that. And I think the last

1879
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 2: point I want to make before we switch gears here

1880
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 2: is the point that you brought up I think is

1881
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 2: being wildly underappreciated. Is like, like, okay, let me even

1882
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 2: back check, right, So the Spurs win the lottery, and

1883
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 2: the natural inclination is it's nineteen ninety seven or ninety

1884
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 2: six or what ninety seven I think it was with

1885
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 2: Tim Dunket all over again. And you know, the last

1886
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 2: time that there was a big guy, this good, this

1887
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 2: available to Spurs went and oh my goodness, they wanted again.

1888
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 2: And look what happened. Five championships since. And I hadn't

1889
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 2: really thought about it until a day or two after.

1890
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 2: But it's like the Spurs that year were coming off

1891
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 2: of a very bad season because David Robinson had gotten hurt.

1892
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 2: But the year before, so basically two years before Tim

1893
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 2: Duncant came into the league, they had the second best

1894
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 2: record in the West. Then David Robinson gets hurt, they

1895
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 2: win the lottery, and then they pair Tim Duck with

1896
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 2: Dave Robinson. This is not that situation at all. We

1897
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 2: are not talking about the second best team in the West.

1898
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 2: Two years ago, now winning the lottery. This is a

1899
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 2: team that, to your point, has been down in the

1900
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 2: post Kawhi Leonard years and I'm curious to see what

1901
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 2: kind of team they build around him. But there are

1902
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 2: a lot Listen to your point, there are a lot

1903
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 2: of steps just to make the playoffs, just to be

1904
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 2: a playoff caliber team, let alone a championship contender. Fox

1905
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:31,240
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1912
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Speaker 2: is a lot to peel back from what happened about

1913
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Speaker 2: a week ago.

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Speaker 4: We discussed that.

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Speaker 2: Next Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: Aaron Torris Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tireck dot

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Speaker 2: com studios for just joining us. Big story in sports

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Speaker 2: this evening, the Denver Nuggets go up three nothing taking

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Speaker 2: care of business against the Los Angeleslakers one nineteen one

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Speaker 2: a eight. If you missed any of our coverage, make

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Speaker 2: sure to download the podcast after the show. But Jason,

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Speaker 2: I want to continue our NBA conversation.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we've talked well.

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Speaker 2: I guess we talked Jim Brown for a little bit,

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Speaker 2: but outside of that, it has been all NBA, which

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Speaker 2: it often is this time of year, and unfortunately, you know,

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Speaker 2: we've had a great NBA playoffs, but it was slightly

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Speaker 2: overshadowed last Sunday by the news that John Morant is

1929
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Speaker 2: again in trouble for a situation where he was caught

1930
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Speaker 2: posting on social media with with a gun with a firearm.

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Speaker 2: I'll try to make this brief. I think everybody knows

1932
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Speaker 2: the story by now. It's about a week old, but

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Speaker 2: it is still relevant because we have not really heard

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Speaker 2: anything updated from the NBA. But John Morant and definitely suspended,

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Speaker 2: of course, given that he was seen on his friend's

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Speaker 2: Instagram live again with a firearm. This came less than

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Speaker 2: two months after he was suspended for eight games for

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Speaker 2: posting on social media with a firearm at a club

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Speaker 2: in Denver, and it also comes of course, in the

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Speaker 2: midst of several other incidents, one in which he allegedly

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Speaker 2: assaulted a person at his house based on you know

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Speaker 2: that there was whatever. There was the situation with the

1943
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Speaker 2: Indiana Pacers where a red light that was believed to

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Speaker 2: be a gun was put on the Pacers team bus,

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Speaker 2: and of course Joah and his friend confronted somebody at

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Speaker 2: a mall not long ago. So, Jason, I know that

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Speaker 2: we talked a lot about Jos's situation when the last

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Speaker 2: incident happened. I should note, because there are a lot

1949
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Speaker 2: of people that want to make sure that this is

1950
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Speaker 2: out there, it is worth noting as of right now,

1951
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Speaker 2: there are no criminal charges. He has not broken any laws.

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Speaker 2: But John Morant in the news, John Morant again suspended

1953
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Speaker 2: and under investigation by the NBA.

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Speaker 3: Jason, Yeah, there's a lot here.

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Speaker 11: But I.

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Speaker 3: First off, I'm sad about it because here we go again,

1957
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Speaker 3: and he's so young, and there's so much that he

1958
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 3: can do positively, and everything we hear about him right

1959
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 3: now is negative. And the Memphis Grizzlies have become harder

1960
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 3: and harder to root for, not not because of that specifically,

1961
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Speaker 3: just because they talk a lot and then they don't

1962
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Speaker 3: end up backing it up on the floor. But when

1963
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Speaker 3: you look at Jah, I'm gonna place blame here first

1964
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Speaker 3: and foremost straight on Adam Silver in the NBA. And

1965
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Speaker 3: the reason why is because they had an opportunity to

1966
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Speaker 3: actually say this is not okay, and we're gonna penalize

1967
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Speaker 3: you strongly. I understand that they wanted to give him

1968
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Speaker 3: the benefit of the doubt, and they wanted to believe that,

1969
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Speaker 3: you know, three days in a rehab facility or whatever

1970
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Speaker 3: it was, was gonna be enough, and like one sit

1971
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Speaker 3: down with Silver that that was gonna be enough, because

1972
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 3: he could be a face in the league and he's

1973
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Speaker 3: a guy that you know, he's fun and you want

1974
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Speaker 3: him around and all these things. But you had an

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Speaker 3: opportunity to be the adult in the room and say,

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Speaker 3: not only is this not okay, but as much as

1977
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Speaker 3: we love you and as much as we need you,

1978
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Speaker 3: you're gonna have to actually earn your way back into

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Speaker 3: this league and it's gonna take more than three days

1980
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Speaker 3: in a rehab facility. We all said, Aaron, we said

1981
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Speaker 3: it on these airways. When he came back out, We're like,

1982
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Speaker 3: what could you possibly have done? In like four days.

1983
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Speaker 3: When you look at all of this and then he

1984
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Speaker 3: comes back when this happened again, it was just like,

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Speaker 3: this is what happens when you slap somebody on the

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Speaker 3: wrist that's done something serious. What he basically learned here

1987
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Speaker 3: was not that what he did was wrong necessarily. I

1988
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Speaker 3: think he had to have that in the back of

1989
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Speaker 3: his head anyway. I think what he learned here was

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Speaker 3: I am such a big star that I can get

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Speaker 3: away with an awful lot. He didn't actually learn a

1992
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Speaker 3: lesson here, I don't think, because he really wasn't punished,

1993
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Speaker 3: he really wasn't penalized. He was back on the floor

1994
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:19,759
Speaker 3: before we knew it. When we first saw this story,

1995
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Speaker 3: we were talking about remember Gilbert Arenuz and he was

1996
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Speaker 3: done for the year, and maybe Josgama be done for

1997
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Speaker 3: the year. Now josgam miss like three games and he's back.

1998
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Speaker 3: Then we see him in the playoffs and they get

1999
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Speaker 3: docked out, and then we get this video or we

2000
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:36,520
Speaker 3: get this Instagram post, and then we see the statement

2001
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 3: from Jahn Morant a few days ago where where it

2002
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 3: looked like to me, I don't know if it was

2003
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Speaker 3: his attorney, I don't know. As some jokes it was ai.

2004
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Speaker 3: I don't know what it was, but someone that was

2005
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Speaker 3: not John Morant composed a statement and John Morant passed

2006
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Speaker 3: it off and said, this is my thoughts, and maybe

2007
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Speaker 3: it was his thoughts, redone, but none of that read

2008
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Speaker 3: like John Morant to me. There is a major problem here.

2009
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Speaker 3: There's a major disconnect here. I want to look at

2010
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Speaker 3: his dad and say, stop being courtside and caring about

2011
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Speaker 3: everything that's going on there. You need to have somebody

2012
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Speaker 3: that's not a yes man there that can handle things.

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Speaker 3: And at some point John Morant has to look around

2014
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Speaker 3: him and say, who am I surrounding myself with. And

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Speaker 3: I actually want to give Shannon Sharp credit because I

2016
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:27,719
Speaker 3: heard him a few times this week and he said

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Speaker 3: some of the things that I've said here, and he

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Speaker 3: said them even more strenuously, one of them being if

2019
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Speaker 3: these guys are really your friends, they're gonna come up

2020
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Speaker 3: to you at some point and say, man, you know

2021
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 3: who we are, and you know what we do. We

2022
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 3: can't bring you down like this. Man. We love you

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Speaker 3: to death, call in, you know, check up, check up

2024
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 3: on us from time to time. We can talk and

2025
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 3: all this, but we can't. We can't let you you

2026
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 3: got out, man, Like that's how it used to be.

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Speaker 3: It is like you got out, Why are you trying

2028
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Speaker 3: to get back in? Like we are here, but you

2029
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:01,839
Speaker 3: were in a completely different play and we're so happy

2030
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Speaker 3: for you. That's what you do if you love someone.

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01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 3: Somebody right now needs to love this kid enough to

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Speaker 3: shake some sense into him.

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Speaker 4: Well, and if you really dig in.

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Speaker 2: It's unfortunate because this guy, DeVante Pack, who was on

2035
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Speaker 2: his Instagram, it was his Instagram that Jaw was on.

2036
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Speaker 2: He's basically been with Jaw for virtually every incident. He

2037
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 2: was the guy that got thrown out of the Pacers game,

2038
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Speaker 2: which led to the incident with the bus. He was

2039
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Speaker 2: the guy that was with him at when the situation

2040
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Speaker 2: at Jo's house took place. And so I'm not here

2041
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:40,880
Speaker 2: to say that this DeVante Pack character is totally a blame.

2042
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Speaker 2: I'm not here to say that Joe's totally innocent and

2043
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 2: surrounding himself with the wrong people. Joe's an adult. John

2044
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 2: needs to make some big boy decisions. But I think

2045
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 2: it starts with probably eliminating some of these people from

2046
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 2: your life. And and and again, maybe Jaw is the

2047
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 2: bad influence on DeVante Pack. But Jo's also the one

2048
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 2: that has a two hundred million dollars actually coming up

2049
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 2: a huge deal with Nike. I'm reading right now that

2050
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Speaker 2: Nike has actually pulled his signature shoe from their website.

2051
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Speaker 3: Now they pulled all his shoes from their way. Yes, correct, you.

2052
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Speaker 2: Could still get it. But it's just you know, I

2053
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 2: think listen, I'll tell you what. There's so many layers

2054
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:17,680
Speaker 2: of this, and I have some more thoughts on it.

2055
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Speaker 2: I want to continue this conversation because it's such a nuanced,

2056
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 2: layered conversation. Before we do, though, let's toss it over

2057
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Speaker 2: to the news desk, as always trending Steve Sage.

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Speaker 7: Well, a Denver Road win tonight. Hey, there, And in

2059
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:33,560
Speaker 7: this NBA postseason, we've had forty three victories by the

2060
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 7: road team so far, three total.

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Speaker 4: Boston's better on the road.

2062
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Speaker 7: It's weird, it is better on the road.

2063
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Speaker 3: I saw.

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Speaker 7: I think it's five home losses this year, six home

2065
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Speaker 7: playoff losses last year for Boston. That's just these back

2066
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:51,439
Speaker 7: to back years. Anyway, Needless to say, this series West

2067
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Speaker 7: Finals just about over. Denver beat the Lakers in LA

2068
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Speaker 7: Tonight one, nineteen one O eight. Jamal Murray thirty seven

2069
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,919
Speaker 7: points thirty in the first half. By the way, APCI

2070
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Speaker 7: as the record most road wins in a postseason forty seven.

2071
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Speaker 7: This was number forty three total. Tonight, Denver gets another

2072
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Speaker 7: road game on Monday night in LA for a chance

2073
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Speaker 7: to sweep Denver. Nuggets have never swept a playoff series.

2074
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Speaker 7: They've certainly been swept multiple times. They have not only

2075
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 7: a chance to sweep, and it's the Lakers. On top

2076
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 7: of that, they're nemesis in the conference finals three different eras.

2077
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 7: Denver has a chance with one more win to get

2078
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 7: to the NBA Finals for the first time in franchise history. Meanwhile,

2079
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 7: quite a stat from ESPN stats in it Okay, Lakers

2080
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 7: are down oh three. Not only has no NBA team

2081
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 7: ever come back and won a series down oh three,

2082
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:42,320
Speaker 7: the Lakers have been out o three eight times in

2083
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Speaker 7: their history. They've been swept all eight times. Lakers have

2084
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 7: never even won a game in a series once they

2085
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 7: go down oh.

2086
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Speaker 3: Only Lebron James can make history by winning one game

2087
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Speaker 3: and losing in five.

2088
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Speaker 7: Yeah, go for it. Each NBA series will have a

2089
01:43:58,040 --> 01:43:59,800
Speaker 7: game every other the night. So we had Game three

2090
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Speaker 7: of the East Finals tomorrow night at Miami, which leads

2091
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 7: two games to none against the Celtics. We could have

2092
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:07,719
Speaker 7: a lot of time off if these are two sweeps.

2093
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Speaker 4: Thank you yeah.

2094
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Speaker 7: NBA Finals doesn't begin until June first. Tonight has made

2095
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 7: the twentieth just for the record. Stalley Cup Playoffs, another

2096
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:20,320
Speaker 7: overtime win for Florida at Carolina to won the final.

2097
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 7: This was a quick ot in less than two minutes.

2098
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:25,919
Speaker 7: It was done. Matthew Kuchuk sam As Thursday the game winner. Thursday.

2099
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 7: It was late in the fourth overtime again quicker tonight.

2100
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:30,840
Speaker 7: In NHL history, this is the first time that in

2101
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 7: a conference finals game one goes overtime, Game twos goes

2102
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Speaker 7: overtime since nineteen seventy seven, when Boston won a couple

2103
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:40,519
Speaker 7: of o two games at Philly to open a series there.

2104
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 7: Brooks kept the leads by one stroke. At the PGA Championship,

2105
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Speaker 7: after a third round sixty six, National Treasure won the Preakness.

2106
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 7: Blazing Sevens was a close second. National Treasure led the

2107
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Speaker 7: whole race and paid seven to eighty to win. There

2108
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 7: are two late ballgames in the Majors. Twins lead six

2109
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Speaker 7: to two over the Angels, bottom of the seventh and

2110
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Speaker 7: the Red Sox. We're still ahead at San Diego four

2111
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Speaker 7: to two, top of the eighth. Chris Sale, the starting

2112
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 7: pitcher for Boston. Seven innings, eight strikeouts. Padres if they lose,

2113
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Speaker 7: will be twenty and twenty six this year. Yankees in

2114
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 7: ten innings won at Cincinnati, Baltimore and ten innings won

2115
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Speaker 7: at Toronto. Victories for Texas and Houston. Houston Astros have

2116
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 7: won six in a row. Met's home game against Cleveland

2117
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:25,120
Speaker 7: ragined out. They'll play two tomorrow. Saint Louis held on

2118
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Speaker 7: to beat the Dodgers six ' five. Dodger pitcher Julio

2119
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 7: Arius goes on the injured list with a strain hamstring.

2120
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Speaker 7: Seattle came back to win at Atlanta seven to three.

2121
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:37,280
Speaker 7: NASCAR's annual All Star Races Sunday night on FS one,

2122
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:40,679
Speaker 7: eight pm Eastern time. The two heats were tonight. Daniel

2123
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Speaker 7: Suarez and Chris Buscher will start on the Front Road

2124
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Speaker 7: tomorrow in North Wilkes Barre, North Carolina, and then the

2125
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Speaker 7: next weekend the six hundred at Charlotte. We're that close

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Speaker 7: to the holiday weekend. Fox TV as USFL game Saturday

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Speaker 7: and Sunday again this weekend. Today it was Birmingham winning

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Speaker 7: at Michigan twenty seven to thirteen. Sunday on FS one,

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Speaker 7: there's a game as well, four and one New Orleans

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Speaker 7: at Philadelphia. Philly's the team that last week went eight

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Speaker 7: for eight on field goals in a victory. Eight field

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01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 7: goals and twenty four to twenty one was the final

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Speaker 7: and their kicker, Luise Aguilar is also the team is punter,

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01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:16,440
Speaker 7: but he hit from fifty six from fifty one yards

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Speaker 7: and the game winner from fifty five.

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Speaker 2: Back to you got to say, you know, knowing that

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Speaker 2: I missed the XFL championship game last week and that

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Speaker 2: I had to not come in studio while Arnie and

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01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 2: Jason broke it down for four hours.

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Speaker 4: Of course, yes, I almost cancel my trip. I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna lie. It was something that crossed my mind. I

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Speaker 4: said that, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know if I can wait to talk XFL championship game.

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Speaker 2: But congrats to that one team that beat the other team.

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Speaker 3: Fos So we talked about Luis Perez. I actually talked

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01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:48,600
Speaker 3: about Louis Perez last week. Quarterback believed that the quarterback

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01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 3: that's right for the champions This is a dude, This

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Speaker 3: is just I mentioned his career timeline because they put

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Speaker 3: it up on the screen during the show and I

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Speaker 3: was just all right, we have to mention this, just.

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Speaker 7: To think that said everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it iss twenty nineteen started seven games in AAF.

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01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 4: Oh there was only seven games total, I believe that's right.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty started two games in the XFL. Twenty twenty

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01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:18,000
Speaker 3: one played in the Spring League. Twenty twenty two started

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01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:21,559
Speaker 3: six games in the USFL. Twenty twenty three, this was

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Speaker 3: his eighth start of the XFL season, in which he

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01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:28,719
Speaker 3: had played for two different teams. That's somebody that wanted

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Speaker 3: to chase a dream, right there, Steve.

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Speaker 6: Only things really missing There is some time in the

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Speaker 6: Arena Football League, which ortually was a little before his.

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01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 3: Time Arena two, that's right.

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01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:40,719
Speaker 4: Or the NFL Indoor Football League.

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01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 7: No, the end that must have been in somebody's camp,

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Speaker 7: if not in an actual game. But this was a

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Speaker 7: losing team winning the XFL title that Bob Stoups coached Arlington.

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Speaker 3: I think they ended up five hundred because they won

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Speaker 3: the championship.

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Speaker 7: Oh, that's right, they two games. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Is this like basketball where everybody makes the play?

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01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:58,599
Speaker 3: Pretty much everybody makes the play.

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01:47:59,040 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 4: And nine months long.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so well, congrats to Bob Stoops in the Arlington

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Speaker 2: Gas Oh the Renegades. Yeah, tell me about it. All right,

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01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:11,200
Speaker 2: enough of enough enough XFL. I'll have to go back

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Speaker 2: and download the podcast. Listen to you and Arny breakw.

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Speaker 3: I need to tell you about how my whole idea

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01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:18,840
Speaker 3: when you find out everybody makes the playoffs, I immediately thought, hey,

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Speaker 3: just make it a tournament and don't have a season

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Speaker 3: that just to have everybody play each other in a

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01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:27,120
Speaker 3: bracket like a round robin deal. Tell me that it's

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Speaker 3: like an event with a big purse at the end

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Speaker 3: of it. I actually think I would get down with

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Speaker 3: that more than I would regular season where you've got

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Speaker 3: a three win team making the playoffs like it's high school.

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Speaker 7: They'll still have a way to work in load management.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, real quick on John, let's wrap on

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Speaker 2: Joe here. No, it's okay. We had a good conversation

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Speaker 2: with the XFL. But no, so Josh, so real quick.

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Speaker 2: I did want to ask you. So I am curious

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01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:57,840
Speaker 2: because it is like listen, I think most rational people

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Speaker 2: agree that at the very least, it's idiotic behavior, right,

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01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:08,680
Speaker 2: and you can do really stupid things that put you

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Speaker 2: in harms way, that put everyone around you in harms way,

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01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:15,719
Speaker 2: without actually breaking a law. But it is worth noting

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Speaker 2: he did not break a law in this instance. He

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Speaker 2: did not break a law. We don't think in Denver.

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Speaker 2: I guess it was investigated and somehow he didn't break

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Speaker 2: a law. I don't know how how he got a

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Speaker 2: gun all that stuff. I guess my question for you is,

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Speaker 2: you know there's been and this is the typical of

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Speaker 2: what we do in the media now where there was

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01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 2: Monday was bash Jah Day, and then by Tuesday and

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Speaker 2: Wednesday you started to see people try to make him

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Speaker 2: into a sympathetic figure. I'm not gonna do that here,

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Speaker 2: but I guess my question is, what do you think

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01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 2: is a reasonable punishment for John Morant, knowing that this

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01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,640
Speaker 2: is not his first defense, that he did break the

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Speaker 2: NBA Code of Conduct. Now, you know, you might not

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01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 2: have broken a law, but the NBA by laws that

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01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:03,439
Speaker 2: were agre to buy your union do say that you

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01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:06,959
Speaker 2: can't have a gun in anything team related. The situation

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01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:10,439
Speaker 2: in Denver certainly would qualify since the team was on a.

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Speaker 4: Team road trip.

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Speaker 2: What do you think is a reasonable punishment for John Morant,

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01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:17,840
Speaker 2: because on the one hand, no, he did not break

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01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:20,120
Speaker 2: a law, but on the other hand, he broke the

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Speaker 2: league's code of conduct.

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Speaker 4: It's his second offense.

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Speaker 2: He's already gotten an eight game suspension and clearly didn't

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Speaker 2: learn that much from it.

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Speaker 4: What do you think is reasonable, Jayson?

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Speaker 3: Because of how this is trending, and because to do

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01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 3: this a second time, the level of judgment in a

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01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:42,240
Speaker 3: negative sense that is required to somehow manage that is

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01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 3: so striking and so brazen him. It's like, all right, something,

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Speaker 3: something's got to be done here. We got to save

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01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:53,320
Speaker 3: him from himself. He has to learn this lesson and

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01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 3: the rest of the NBA, the young guys coming to

2230
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 3: the NBA, have to realize, Hey, there is and there

2231
01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 3: are con sequences to what you're doing. And it's not

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01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:06,360
Speaker 3: just losing power Aid or losing Nike or losing these things.

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01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 3: It can be losing this golden opportunity that you have

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01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 3: to be a part of this league and make two

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01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars and you know, set your family and

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01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 3: their family and their family and their family up for life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, No, because I was thinking about this

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01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 2: is that it is interesting to me. I do think

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Speaker 2: this is one of those you know, I'm not conspiracy theory,

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01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:29,799
Speaker 2: big brother type guy, but I it feels as though

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01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 2: like there have been other incidents where a player has

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01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:36,559
Speaker 2: done something dumb and he has been criticized, and then

2243
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 2: people within the league eventually come to his defense. Kyrie

2244
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 2: Irving with the weird tweet that he shared with the

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01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 2: link to the thing, I haven't seen any current NBA player,

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01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:52,639
Speaker 2: front office, coach, league official. I haven't seen anybody come

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01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:54,880
Speaker 2: to Jazz defense. And I was thinking about this, and

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Speaker 2: I didn't mean to cut you off, Jason, but you

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01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:59,960
Speaker 2: mentioned the image of the league and the image for

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Speaker 2: young people coming into the league. I was talking to

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Speaker 2: like a marketing guy yesterday and he brought up a

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01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:09,280
Speaker 2: really good point is that, you know, the NBA is

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01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:14,080
Speaker 2: in the middle of a media rights negotiation, and I

2254
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:16,800
Speaker 2: don't want to speak for folks that other networks are

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Speaker 2: network whatever, but I don't think this is what they

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Speaker 2: want associated with their league when a media company is

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Speaker 2: literally probably going to invest billions of dollars over an

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01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 2: extended period of time. So I do think there is

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01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:32,600
Speaker 2: something too. It's not just about job. It's not just

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Speaker 2: about the fact that he didn't break the law. It's

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Speaker 2: about the fact that it makes the whole league look

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01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:41,000
Speaker 2: bad when a situation like this happens for a second

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01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 2: time in a couple months. I didn't mean to cut

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Speaker 2: you off, and I didn't even let you get to

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Speaker 2: the answer to the question. But I think that's an

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Speaker 2: important thing to note right there.

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Speaker 3: If it's me and I know this will not happen,

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01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 3: and some people were just going to absolutely maul me

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01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 3: for saying this. He doesn't return until after the All

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01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:59,680
Speaker 3: Star break. I don't think that's unreasonable, but keep I

2271
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:02,800
Speaker 3: think that becomes the storyline. I believe he's out until

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Speaker 3: after the All Star Game, and then he's back, and

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01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 3: of course he has to prove then that he's gone

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01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:10,719
Speaker 3: to a facility and actually spent time there, showed some contrition.

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Speaker 3: He has the opportunity to do a lot of good,

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01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 3: but he needs to do it away from the basketball floor.

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01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:18,960
Speaker 3: And my league needs to show that it cares about

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01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:21,280
Speaker 3: its athletes more than just making sure they're on the

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01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:23,639
Speaker 3: floor to make me money. I need to make sure

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01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:26,920
Speaker 3: that these guys have you know that they're not just

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01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 3: taking responsibility for the role that they have, but they're

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01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 3: just they're able to grow as human beings. And I

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01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 3: don't think that that's it's helped by it. Let me

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01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 3: get you back on the court after three games. I'm

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01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 3: just going to buy into what you're selling, and I

2286
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 3: think that you have the possibility here for a really

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01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:49,360
Speaker 3: nice and very uplifting redemption story if you actually do

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01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:52,439
Speaker 3: send Jaw away and you say, look, we want him

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01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:54,760
Speaker 3: to get better because he is a future you know,

2290
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 3: he's a future Hall of Famer. Potentially, he's a guy

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01:53:57,439 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 3: that could be the face of this league. So many

2292
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:01,960
Speaker 3: young people love him and look up to him. And

2293
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:04,280
Speaker 3: he's able to let's say, he's able to come back,

2294
01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:08,960
Speaker 3: and he's actually gone through this process. He's learned because

2295
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 3: he's had to, because he's been away from this thing

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01:54:11,120 --> 01:54:15,560
Speaker 3: that he loves, and he's gone through some difficult times

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01:54:15,680 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 3: as well. You can start to sell I don't want

2298
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:22,679
Speaker 3: to say it, you know, negatively, but you can start

2299
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:25,679
Speaker 3: to sell, Hey, Joah Morant is returning after the All

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01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:28,759
Speaker 3: Star Game. First game back, he's back on the floor

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01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:32,760
Speaker 3: for Memphis. At that moment, you have the redemption arc

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01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 3: in the minds of the fans, and you put it

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01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:39,400
Speaker 3: in Jaws hands. Hey, We're giving you the stage, and

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01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:42,160
Speaker 3: you allow him the time to have been away and

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01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 3: the time to come back. That's what I would do.

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Speaker 2: I will just add I think that's the way you

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01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 2: have to sell it as the NBA. And it's something

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01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:51,240
Speaker 2: that we talked about when this happened the first time,

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01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 2: which is if the NBA really cared about Jahn Morant,

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01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 2: they would not have let him come back so quickly.

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01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,040
Speaker 2: And I think that's how you have to sell it.

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01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:00,880
Speaker 2: If you do give him a lengthy suspension, you gotta

2313
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:03,160
Speaker 2: sell it as this isn't about proving a point. This

2314
01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 2: is about getting him in the right headspace and really

2315
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:09,280
Speaker 2: giving him a distance from basketball. Fox Sports Radio erin

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01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:12,520
Speaker 2: Tors Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com Studios,

2317
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:16,839
Speaker 2: coming up to Sager, he joins us, as always Fox.

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Speaker 4: Sports Radio, Welcome back, everybody.

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01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio erin Tors Jason Martin, broadcasting live from

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01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:25,320
Speaker 2: the Tireck dot Com Studios. Don't want to waste any

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01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 2: more time because as we do every Saturday into Sunday,

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01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:30,920
Speaker 2: at this time, we bring in Steve Di Saga's for

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01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:32,040
Speaker 2: sort of.

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01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:32,760
Speaker 4: An extended update.

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Speaker 2: Although it's a little briefer today because we went long

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01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:38,120
Speaker 2: on Jaw, but to saga the floors.

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01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:39,400
Speaker 7: We mentioned the Denver Nuggets.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:44,120
Speaker 7: I have a chance to make the NBA Finals for

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01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:46,480
Speaker 7: the first time ever. The last three times over the

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01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 7: many years that they've made the conference finals, they were

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01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 7: matched up against the Lakers. They got bounced by the

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01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:55,680
Speaker 7: Lakers in the West Finals, by Lebron and Company in

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01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:59,040
Speaker 7: twenty twenty, by Kobe and Company in two thousand and nine,

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01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:02,120
Speaker 7: by Magic and Company in nineteen eighty five, and in

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01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:05,840
Speaker 7: their early days after their merger as an NBA team,

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01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:08,640
Speaker 7: they made a conference finals in nineteen seventy eight but

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01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:11,720
Speaker 7: lost to the Seattle SuperSonics in six So yes, this

2339
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:15,280
Speaker 7: would be Denver's first trip ever to the NBA finals.

2340
01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:18,880
Speaker 7: They did make an ABA finals once nineteen seventy six,

2341
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:21,960
Speaker 7: right before the merger, although that should come with an

2342
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:25,120
Speaker 7: asterisk because that was the last year the ABA existed

2343
01:56:25,160 --> 01:56:27,120
Speaker 7: as a league. They were supposed to have ten teams

2344
01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:30,760
Speaker 7: that year, and one moved and then folded in preseason,

2345
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:34,120
Speaker 7: and one folded early season, and one folded immediately when

2346
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:37,240
Speaker 7: the season ended. So yeah, the Nuggets made the finals

2347
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:39,520
Speaker 7: and then lost to Doctor J and the Nets, but

2348
01:56:40,120 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 7: I guess that counts seven teams, two of them made.

2349
01:56:43,400 --> 01:56:45,240
Speaker 2: May know what you're saying is the XFL was ahead

2350
01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:48,560
Speaker 2: of its time, or I guess in that case, the ABA.

2351
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 3: Would have been ahead of his time. I listened up.

2352
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:52,160
Speaker 7: It was the New York Nets back then, with Doctor

2353
01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:55,800
Speaker 7: Jay's playoff MVP. In fact, in the opener at Denver,

2354
01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 7: in a close win, he had forty five points, and

2355
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,800
Speaker 7: then he scored forty eight the next game and a loss,

2356
01:57:00,840 --> 01:57:04,520
Speaker 7: and they beat Denver in six. So Jamal Murray has

2357
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:07,880
Speaker 7: been a topic of conversation, and justifiably so. After his

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01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:11,680
Speaker 7: thirty point first half, Denver led by fourteen in the

2359
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 7: first quarter, only a three point halftime lead, eventually one nineteen,

2360
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:19,800
Speaker 7: one h eight at LA the final Jamal Murray's thirty points,

2361
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:22,160
Speaker 7: his team didn't even have sixty in the first half.

2362
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:24,920
Speaker 7: This guy, this entire postseason run for his team, has

2363
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 7: had one bad game. He had a three for fifteen

2364
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 7: shooting game last round against the Suns, but the game

2365
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:33,360
Speaker 7: after that thirty two points, the game before that thirty

2366
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 7: four points, and the game before that was thirty five points.

2367
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:38,720
Speaker 7: In the clincher of the first round series in the

2368
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 7: three games against the Lakers, thirty one, then thirty seven,

2369
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:44,920
Speaker 7: including that great fourth quarter last game, and then thirty

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01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:48,960
Speaker 7: seven tonight against LA You talked about D'Angelo Russell one

2371
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:52,520
Speaker 7: of eight shooting tonight for the Lakers, three points, three turnovers.

2372
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:55,680
Speaker 7: This gives Russell now twenty one points total in the

2373
01:57:55,680 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 7: whole series three games combined. And Lebron keeps shooting threes.

2374
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:03,560
Speaker 7: I believe the three I saw go in in the

2375
01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:06,960
Speaker 7: fourth quarter would have broken the stretch Lebron in this postseason.

2376
01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 7: In fourth quarters had missed twenty straight three pointers dating

2377
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,640
Speaker 7: back to the first round. In fact, just overall from

2378
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:16,960
Speaker 7: long distance in this series. He started oh for thirteen

2379
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:19,800
Speaker 7: until he hit the back to back and that gave

2380
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:24,320
Speaker 7: him confidence to keep shooting. Unfortunately, so stat Muse points

2381
01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 7: out that in conference finals history, for guys that average

2382
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:31,000
Speaker 7: five to three point attempts per game, we're seeing the

2383
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:34,640
Speaker 7: two worst shooting efforts ever in a Conference final so

2384
01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:38,080
Speaker 7: far from long distance. Lebron James at about fifteen percent

2385
01:58:38,120 --> 01:58:41,080
Speaker 7: in this series, Jaylen Brown and Boston at about fifteen

2386
01:58:41,120 --> 01:58:44,680
Speaker 7: percent on three pointers so far in this series. Nikola

2387
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:47,400
Speaker 7: Jokic was the first player in over fifty years to

2388
01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:50,240
Speaker 7: have triple doubles in four straight playoff games. They didn't

2389
01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:53,160
Speaker 7: happen tonight. He had foul trouble by third quarter and

2390
01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:55,280
Speaker 7: didn't score a single point in the first quarter, and

2391
01:58:55,320 --> 01:58:57,880
Speaker 7: they still won by double digits. Nuggets are the one

2392
01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:00,640
Speaker 7: seed in the West. They're playing like it. They really

2393
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:02,600
Speaker 7: seem to be going through the motions late in the

2394
01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:05,160
Speaker 7: regular season. They lost five of six late in the year.

2395
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:08,000
Speaker 7: When they won their regular season finale, that gave them

2396
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:12,120
Speaker 7: win number fifty three. You mentioned it earlier. If Boston's out, well,

2397
01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 7: guess what the Nuggets against an eight seed. Denver has

2398
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:17,320
Speaker 7: home court advantaged with a mere fifty three wins in

2399
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:20,880
Speaker 7: the regular season. Lakers had forty three wins. They finished

2400
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:23,320
Speaker 7: a game behind the Clippers in Golden State. Remember the

2401
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:26,200
Speaker 7: Lakers started this season two to ten, but after all

2402
01:59:26,200 --> 01:59:29,800
Speaker 7: the changes in February since mid February to the end

2403
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:32,920
Speaker 7: of the regular campaign, Lakers did go seventeen and seven. Remember,

2404
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:36,800
Speaker 7: there were many, many legitimate discussions do the Lakers even

2405
01:59:36,840 --> 01:59:38,720
Speaker 7: make the play in and remember they had to go

2406
01:59:38,760 --> 01:59:44,320
Speaker 7: overtime into playing game to beat Minnesota. Curiously, for NBA history,

2407
01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:47,919
Speaker 7: you've got the Lakers and Boston, each with seventeen titles

2408
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:52,520
Speaker 7: all time, neither maybe making the NBA Finals, still stuck

2409
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:53,240
Speaker 7: on seventeen.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Steve the Saga.

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio air Tours, Jay Smart one hour left

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Speaker 2: Bernie Fratdo of the Bernie Frados Show will be joining us.

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Speaker 2: Bernie of course follows us at two am Eastern time,

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Speaker 2: but Bernie will join us in twenty minutes. A lot

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Speaker 2: to discuss with him, including, as Jason pointed out, Bernie

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Speaker 2: has been all over these Denver nuggets dating back to

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Speaker 2: basically when the playoffs started, so we'll get some insight

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Speaker 2: on him from him. Jaceon, We spent most of the

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Speaker 2: show talking NBA should mention, by the way, for anybody

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Speaker 2: who has missed any of our conversation. You could always

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Speaker 2: download the podcast shortly after the show about an hour's

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Speaker 2: worth of reaction postgame to the Lakers falling down O

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Speaker 2: three to the Denver Nuggets the Denver Nuggets win one

2431
02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:06,960
Speaker 2: nineteen one oh eight in Los Angeles. Beyond that, we

2432
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:09,920
Speaker 2: also talked a little John Morant and Victor Winbinama as well.

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02:01:10,360 --> 02:01:12,880
Speaker 2: I want to switch to the college sports base, Jason.

2434
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:16,400
Speaker 2: There were two I think relatively interesting stories over the

2435
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:18,920
Speaker 2: last three or four days that I want to dive into.

2436
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:21,480
Speaker 2: We of course talk a lot of college sports, especially

2437
02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:24,720
Speaker 2: college football during the fall. We are basically the national

2438
02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:27,920
Speaker 2: postgame show coming on at ten pm Eastern every Saturday night.

2439
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:31,280
Speaker 2: But the college sports landscape over the next few years

2440
02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:34,160
Speaker 2: is going to look drastically different. This is the final

2441
02:01:34,240 --> 02:01:36,720
Speaker 2: year that Texas and Oklahoma will be in the Big Twelve.

2442
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:38,560
Speaker 2: They are headed for the SEC for the fall of

2443
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and it's the same for USC and UCLA,

2444
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:46,000
Speaker 2: who will be joining the Big Ten in just a

2445
02:01:46,040 --> 02:01:48,520
Speaker 2: short amount of time about a year from now. They

2446
02:01:48,600 --> 02:01:50,960
Speaker 2: also will start in the Big Ten in twenty twenty four.

2447
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:56,080
Speaker 2: USC got some news yesterday we'll discuss momentarily, but I

2448
02:01:56,080 --> 02:01:58,800
Speaker 2: want to start with a story from Sports Illustrative Ross Dellinger.

2449
02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:01,880
Speaker 2: It was a very in depth look at kind of

2450
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:06,240
Speaker 2: the state of realignment in college football. You know, it's

2451
02:02:06,280 --> 02:02:08,480
Speaker 2: sort of a quiet time, but it really isn't. The

2452
02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:11,080
Speaker 2: PAC twelve's TV contract runs out the end of next year.

2453
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:15,400
Speaker 2: As of right now, there is no contract. The Big

2454
02:02:15,400 --> 02:02:19,200
Speaker 2: twelve is actively courting multiple Pac twelve teams, and we

2455
02:02:19,240 --> 02:02:20,920
Speaker 2: will see what the future of the Pac twelve is,

2456
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:22,720
Speaker 2: probably by the end of the summer, if they can

2457
02:02:22,720 --> 02:02:25,120
Speaker 2: get a TV deal done, and if they don't, I

2458
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:27,720
Speaker 2: think there's a very good chance that those schools start looking.

2459
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:28,320
Speaker 4: For other options.

2460
02:02:28,760 --> 02:02:30,640
Speaker 2: On top of that, there was also just some interesting

2461
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:35,200
Speaker 2: notes on the ACC where Florida State has been very

2462
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:38,520
Speaker 2: vocal publicly. This isn't off the record stuff, this is public.

2463
02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:42,960
Speaker 2: Their president basically saying, hey, us clems in a few

2464
02:02:43,000 --> 02:02:46,520
Speaker 2: of the other football schools are producing significantly more revenue

2465
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:48,840
Speaker 2: than some of these other schools. We shouldn't have to

2466
02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:51,040
Speaker 2: share all the money. We shouldn't be getting equal cuts,

2467
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:53,640
Speaker 2: we should be getting more. And so I bring it up, Jason,

2468
02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:57,160
Speaker 2: because the Pac twelve is potentially on the brink. The

2469
02:02:57,280 --> 02:03:01,360
Speaker 2: ACC seems unhappy. That article also referenced the seven schools

2470
02:03:01,720 --> 02:03:04,320
Speaker 2: have been meeting privately to try to get out of

2471
02:03:04,360 --> 02:03:07,120
Speaker 2: the grant of rights, which is basically their TV contract.

2472
02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:12,040
Speaker 2: We appear to be set Jason for another wild couple months,

2473
02:03:12,440 --> 02:03:15,120
Speaker 2: if not a couple years in the college sports landscape.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ross's peace. I mean it goes into everything. It

2475
02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:20,800
Speaker 3: looks like, you know, there are some people watching from

2476
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:23,960
Speaker 3: the wings that you know, the Big twelve and the

2477
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:27,400
Speaker 3: PAC twelve. One of them probably won't survive this, and

2478
02:03:27,480 --> 02:03:29,080
Speaker 3: it looks like a lot of people seem to be

2479
02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:31,880
Speaker 3: looking at the PAC twelve and thinking they might be

2480
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:35,000
Speaker 3: the odd man out here. The ACC portion of this

2481
02:03:35,160 --> 02:03:39,480
Speaker 3: is really fascinating. Florida State basically suggesting and what their

2482
02:03:39,560 --> 02:03:43,240
Speaker 3: argument is we're bringing about fifteen percent of the media

2483
02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:45,560
Speaker 3: rights revenue or we're just bringing in fifteen percent of

2484
02:03:45,600 --> 02:03:49,200
Speaker 3: the revenue. We're getting about seven percent back. It's interesting

2485
02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:54,640
Speaker 3: when you look at it because it's like they're basically

2486
02:03:54,680 --> 02:03:58,000
Speaker 3: objecting to socialism within the ACC. They're just like, this

2487
02:03:58,040 --> 02:04:01,920
Speaker 3: shouldn't be equally distributed because we're not equally important here,

2488
02:04:02,120 --> 02:04:04,960
Speaker 3: Like you might want to think that the Florida State's

2489
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:08,400
Speaker 3: brand means a lot more than X brand. And you

2490
02:04:08,440 --> 02:04:11,200
Speaker 3: look at a few of these football schools college, yeah right,

2491
02:04:11,240 --> 02:04:14,600
Speaker 3: I sent you right, Yeah, Well, there are others that

2492
02:04:14,600 --> 02:04:17,600
Speaker 3: that you could add to that list. But what I

2493
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:20,600
Speaker 3: find interesting is you look at, you know, Florida State

2494
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:23,920
Speaker 3: and Clemson for example, looking at and having their attorneys

2495
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:26,040
Speaker 3: and as many attorneys they can find look at this

2496
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:28,800
Speaker 3: agreement to see if they can get out, basically because

2497
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:31,040
Speaker 3: it looks like Florida State wants to get out. There's

2498
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:33,520
Speaker 3: the story about Bobby Bowden back in the day and

2499
02:04:33,600 --> 02:04:37,400
Speaker 3: Florida State turning down the SEC, and then of course

2500
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:39,800
Speaker 3: the SEC went and grabbed South Carolina and did not

2501
02:04:39,880 --> 02:04:44,480
Speaker 3: grab Clemson. So the fit would be, well, you go

2502
02:04:44,480 --> 02:04:48,000
Speaker 3: grab Florida State and grab Clemson. But if you read

2503
02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:52,680
Speaker 3: deeper into the story, it might be more advantageous for

2504
02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:55,640
Speaker 3: the SEC to grab North Carolina and Virginia or North

2505
02:04:55,640 --> 02:04:59,200
Speaker 3: Carolina and Virginia Tech so that they then get SEC

2506
02:04:59,240 --> 02:05:02,920
Speaker 3: schools into other states. But what all of this kind

2507
02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:07,800
Speaker 3: of comes down to is one the ACC television deal

2508
02:05:07,960 --> 02:05:10,480
Speaker 3: was a bad one, a really bad one. It's hard

2509
02:05:10,520 --> 02:05:11,040
Speaker 3: to get out of.

2510
02:05:11,120 --> 02:05:15,040
Speaker 2: Go ahead, real quick, I joked on my personal podcast,

2511
02:05:15,120 --> 02:05:17,920
Speaker 2: like this is the worst deal since Louisiana purchased Okay,

2512
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:21,000
Speaker 2: I mean bad so for people who don't follow this stuff.

2513
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:26,640
Speaker 2: The ACC is committed through twenty thirty six, so we're

2514
02:05:26,680 --> 02:05:29,080
Speaker 2: talking about if the lawyers can't figure out a way

2515
02:05:29,120 --> 02:05:32,040
Speaker 2: out of this. These schools are stuck together for thirteen

2516
02:05:32,200 --> 02:05:37,800
Speaker 2: more years at essentially thirty million dollars less in revenue

2517
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:41,080
Speaker 2: per year as the Big Ten and the SEC. Keep

2518
02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:43,920
Speaker 2: in mind that's per year. That means you're falling behind

2519
02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:47,120
Speaker 2: upwards of nine figures over the course of a three

2520
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:50,720
Speaker 2: to four year period of your peers. That is going

2521
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:53,680
Speaker 2: to go on to until twenty thirty six. And it

2522
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:55,560
Speaker 2: is worth noting, by the way, the Big ten will

2523
02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:58,200
Speaker 2: renegotiate before that ACC deal is up.

2524
02:05:58,200 --> 02:05:59,640
Speaker 4: The Big twelve will as well.

2525
02:06:00,360 --> 02:06:04,160
Speaker 2: Disaster if they disaster for those schools if they cannot

2526
02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:07,200
Speaker 2: get out of it. To your point or to the conversation,

2527
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:09,960
Speaker 2: they're trying very hard too. We'll see if they're able to do.

2528
02:06:10,200 --> 02:06:12,760
Speaker 3: And so the deals with ESPN, so you look at

2529
02:06:12,920 --> 02:06:15,800
Speaker 3: ESPN and you say, all right, we'll give us more money. Well,

2530
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:20,280
Speaker 3: ESPN right now and Disney as a whole are hemorrhaging subscribers.

2531
02:06:20,920 --> 02:06:23,400
Speaker 3: They're losing money. They've just had to shake up where

2532
02:06:23,400 --> 02:06:26,000
Speaker 3: they got rid of the CEO. They brought in Bobbeiger.

2533
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:29,400
Speaker 3: He's doing some things that are a little bit questionable,

2534
02:06:29,400 --> 02:06:32,600
Speaker 3: but he's changing some things. There's a lot of flux there.

2535
02:06:32,680 --> 02:06:35,680
Speaker 3: There's problems that they don't have a ton of money,

2536
02:06:35,720 --> 02:06:39,800
Speaker 3: and as bros Stellinger points out, they are looking at

2537
02:06:39,800 --> 02:06:43,360
Speaker 3: deals with UFC which is now UFC and WWE because

2538
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:46,280
Speaker 3: it's all under endeavor, the NBA, and the Pac twelve.

2539
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:47,840
Speaker 3: So they're looking at all of these different things in

2540
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:51,320
Speaker 3: acc asking for more money is probably not gonna work out.

2541
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:55,360
Speaker 3: But the overarching takeaway here is we're looking at the

2542
02:06:55,400 --> 02:06:58,200
Speaker 3: SEC and the Big ten and then everybody else is

2543
02:06:58,240 --> 02:07:00,720
Speaker 3: just going to struggle to survive at all. Like that,

2544
02:07:00,720 --> 02:07:02,440
Speaker 3: that's kind of what it is. Is the Big Twelve's

2545
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:07,360
Speaker 3: got a creative, very aggressive and public face, and then

2546
02:07:07,400 --> 02:07:09,720
Speaker 3: you've got the Pac twelve that looks like, look, they've

2547
02:07:09,800 --> 02:07:12,440
Speaker 3: lost kind of their mother and father when they lost

2548
02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:17,040
Speaker 3: USC and UCLA. Luckily Big ten couldn't cobble together the

2549
02:07:17,080 --> 02:07:19,160
Speaker 3: two hundred million dollars that would have required to get

2550
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:21,560
Speaker 3: Oregon in Washington, which looked like that was the other

2551
02:07:21,600 --> 02:07:25,320
Speaker 3: move they wanted to make. But all of these other conferences,

2552
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:28,440
Speaker 3: I don't know what happens here, but we're getting to

2553
02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:32,440
Speaker 3: a spot where there are two conferences, and in those

2554
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:35,360
Speaker 3: two conferences, it's gonna be hard to be relevant.

2555
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:39,080
Speaker 2: No, that's that's essentially what it is and what's interesting.

2556
02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:42,600
Speaker 2: And there was an interesting note in there that you

2557
02:07:42,680 --> 02:07:45,200
Speaker 2: just said, which is that you know, apparently Kevin Warren,

2558
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:48,040
Speaker 2: the former Big Ten commissioner before he left, did try

2559
02:07:48,040 --> 02:07:50,680
Speaker 2: to add Oregon in Washington, and there was one no

2560
02:07:50,760 --> 02:07:53,840
Speaker 2: appetite from his schools, but then two there was no.

2561
02:07:54,240 --> 02:07:56,920
Speaker 2: It didn't really change the contract, it didn't make more

2562
02:07:56,960 --> 02:07:58,640
Speaker 2: money for the league, and so that was why there

2563
02:07:58,680 --> 02:08:01,680
Speaker 2: was no appetite for the schools. So these PAC twelve schools,

2564
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:04,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting because the PAC twelve's in this

2565
02:08:04,040 --> 02:08:09,160
Speaker 2: weird situation where I think they would commit to each other,

2566
02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:13,600
Speaker 2: but nobody really wants to commit long term for obvious reasons.

2567
02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:17,040
Speaker 2: Everybody's looking for a way into the Big ten or whatever,

2568
02:08:17,400 --> 02:08:19,840
Speaker 2: and so everybody's trying to figure things out. And again,

2569
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:23,120
Speaker 2: that TV deal expires a year from now, and so

2570
02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:25,920
Speaker 2: they got to move quick before some schools you know,

2571
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:29,400
Speaker 2: start making some tough decisions here. The four corner schools

2572
02:08:29,400 --> 02:08:32,400
Speaker 2: as they're called, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah have

2573
02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:36,080
Speaker 2: been publicly courted by the Big twelve, so that will

2574
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:39,000
Speaker 2: be worth monitoring, Jason. It is worth noting, by the way,

2575
02:08:40,160 --> 02:08:44,440
Speaker 2: all of this started, of course, because USC and UCLA

2576
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:48,200
Speaker 2: made the decision to leave for the Big ten a

2577
02:08:48,240 --> 02:08:51,520
Speaker 2: little over a little under, excuse me, a year ago

2578
02:08:52,240 --> 02:08:52,640
Speaker 2: from now.

2579
02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:53,240
Speaker 3: It was June.

2580
02:08:53,240 --> 02:08:55,560
Speaker 2: It was late June of twenty twenty two that we

2581
02:08:55,640 --> 02:08:58,480
Speaker 2: got that announcement. We got a little bit of a

2582
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:03,720
Speaker 2: shaker yesterday, as you, USC Athletic director Mike Boone did resign. Now,

2583
02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:06,280
Speaker 2: in his statement he said there were health issues, but

2584
02:09:06,360 --> 02:09:09,080
Speaker 2: we later found out that from the Los Angeles Times

2585
02:09:09,080 --> 02:09:13,880
Speaker 2: investigation that there had been a workplace kind of conduct investigation,

2586
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:17,839
Speaker 2: and clearly there was something in that that led directly

2587
02:09:17,880 --> 02:09:21,720
Speaker 2: to his resignation yesterday. And so I don't know that

2588
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:24,320
Speaker 2: you know, we have the details to have some incredible

2589
02:09:24,440 --> 02:09:27,360
Speaker 2: take on this, Jason, but it is worth noting that

2590
02:09:27,400 --> 02:09:30,360
Speaker 2: as USC enters an unprecedented time, and I think, you know,

2591
02:09:30,400 --> 02:09:31,760
Speaker 2: it's easy to look at the upside.

2592
02:09:31,800 --> 02:09:32,720
Speaker 4: It's a lot of money.

2593
02:09:32,920 --> 02:09:36,240
Speaker 2: It'll make for some interesting football games for USC But

2594
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:39,720
Speaker 2: if this goes sideways, you know they're heading into the

2595
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:43,680
Speaker 2: biggest era in the history of their athletic department right

2596
02:09:43,720 --> 02:09:47,600
Speaker 2: now without any leadership, and whoever replaces him will almost

2597
02:09:47,640 --> 02:09:50,800
Speaker 2: certainly be somebody that had no say in the biggest

2598
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:53,920
Speaker 2: decision in athletics department history, which was obviously leaving the

2599
02:09:53,960 --> 02:09:55,120
Speaker 2: Pac twelve to go to the Big ten.

2600
02:09:56,840 --> 02:10:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, you get the added details after

2601
02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:03,040
Speaker 3: the fact, and it looks bad and you don't want

2602
02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:06,680
Speaker 3: to be sort of feeling chaotic when you're about to

2603
02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:08,720
Speaker 3: make this move a year from now. And let's not

2604
02:10:08,720 --> 02:10:11,840
Speaker 3: forget you mentioned the biggest time in their history. So

2605
02:10:12,440 --> 02:10:16,160
Speaker 3: obviously you've got Caleb this year. You've also got Lebron

2606
02:10:16,280 --> 02:10:20,280
Speaker 3: James's son there as well. You're gonna have a whole

2607
02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:23,040
Speaker 3: lot of attention paid there, and then you've got the

2608
02:10:23,080 --> 02:10:26,720
Speaker 3: Big ten coming on top of everything else. I don't

2609
02:10:26,720 --> 02:10:28,200
Speaker 3: think it's gonna turn out to be that big of

2610
02:10:28,240 --> 02:10:32,160
Speaker 3: a deal long term, because they're gonna get somebody big,

2611
02:10:32,600 --> 02:10:34,560
Speaker 3: and they're gonna get a big time name, and usually

2612
02:10:34,640 --> 02:10:37,800
Speaker 3: ads don't move the needle very much. They just kind

2613
02:10:37,800 --> 02:10:40,200
Speaker 3: of want to. I think you just want to feel

2614
02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:45,120
Speaker 3: stable as closely and as much as you can before

2615
02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:47,640
Speaker 3: you make a move like this, before all of these

2616
02:10:47,680 --> 02:10:50,880
Speaker 3: things kind of come around at the same time. There

2617
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:53,680
Speaker 3: is a lot to look at at USC, and you've

2618
02:10:53,680 --> 02:10:56,760
Speaker 3: got to make sure the leadership is as it's supposed

2619
02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:59,400
Speaker 3: to be. But I think inside of sports, inside the

2620
02:10:59,400 --> 02:11:03,240
Speaker 3: circles the media, inside the journalistic community, and certainly inside

2621
02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:07,280
Speaker 3: the actual ranks of athletic offices, it will matter to

2622
02:11:07,400 --> 02:11:10,160
Speaker 3: most people. Outside of that, it'll be a blip on

2623
02:11:10,200 --> 02:11:14,040
Speaker 3: the radar because they'll get somebody and what they're watching

2624
02:11:14,360 --> 02:11:18,960
Speaker 3: is Lincoln Riley's football team or Andy Enfield's basketball team.

2625
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:22,280
Speaker 3: They're not necessarily watching Mike Boonen or whoever you know,

2626
02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:25,640
Speaker 3: Lynn Swan before that, whoever the ad is. This is

2627
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:27,720
Speaker 3: just not the kind of news you want to make

2628
02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:31,360
Speaker 3: if you're USC with you know how high profile you

2629
02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:33,200
Speaker 3: are about to be and already.

2630
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:36,360
Speaker 2: Are exactly Yeah, and you know that's why I felt

2631
02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:38,200
Speaker 2: like it was just a good, little, you know, a

2632
02:11:38,200 --> 02:11:39,920
Speaker 2: little tagged it. To add to the end of this

2633
02:11:40,040 --> 02:11:42,320
Speaker 2: segment is we don't have to break down a d

2634
02:11:42,600 --> 02:11:46,720
Speaker 2: highers and all that stuff. But again, going into what

2635
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:48,320
Speaker 2: is going to be the next year and a half.

2636
02:11:49,160 --> 02:11:51,480
Speaker 2: You know, it's when he wants stability, and it's when

2637
02:11:51,560 --> 02:11:54,440
Speaker 2: you want the guy that led you to this historic

2638
02:11:54,520 --> 02:11:58,400
Speaker 2: moment in time to kind of be running the ship instead.

2639
02:11:58,440 --> 02:11:58,720
Speaker 4: He's not.

2640
02:11:59,120 --> 02:12:01,240
Speaker 2: I guess if there's any sort of silver lining to

2641
02:12:01,320 --> 02:12:03,920
Speaker 2: what's obviously a very bad situation, given that there is

2642
02:12:03,960 --> 02:12:07,080
Speaker 2: a clearly a bad workplace kind of environment that has

2643
02:12:07,080 --> 02:12:10,200
Speaker 2: been cultivated there at least this came out about a

2644
02:12:10,280 --> 02:12:12,760
Speaker 2: year ahead of the move, and there will be time

2645
02:12:12,840 --> 02:12:16,280
Speaker 2: to hire Mike Bones's replacement. Fox Sports Radio ertors Jason

2646
02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:19,240
Speaker 2: Martin broadcasting live from the Tirec dot com Studios. Coming up,

2647
02:12:19,640 --> 02:12:23,000
Speaker 2: we head out to Vegas. Our buddy Bernie Fratto, he'll

2648
02:12:23,080 --> 02:12:24,720
Speaker 2: join us next. Fox Sports Radio.

2649
02:12:28,440 --> 02:12:29,400
Speaker 4: Welcome back, everybody.

2650
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:36,320
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio aer tors Jason Martin, broadcasting live from

2651
02:12:36,360 --> 02:12:40,160
Speaker 2: the Tireck dot Com studios. And when you hear this

2652
02:12:40,320 --> 02:12:47,640
Speaker 2: song every Sunday morning at one twenty Eastern time, it

2653
02:12:47,640 --> 02:12:49,480
Speaker 2: means it's time to go out to Las Vegas. Bernie

2654
02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:53,800
Speaker 2: Fraddo of The Bernie Frado Show follows us. Bernie, what's

2655
02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:54,400
Speaker 2: going on, man?

2656
02:12:54,440 --> 02:12:54,960
Speaker 4: How you doing?

2657
02:12:55,080 --> 02:12:57,240
Speaker 10: You know, I'm thinking if the Lakers might have had

2658
02:12:57,360 --> 02:12:59,440
Speaker 10: Jim Brown on their roster. They might have had a chance.

2659
02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:02,760
Speaker 10: He actually averaged thirty eight points a game in high

2660
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:06,360
Speaker 10: school and started two years on this Heyracuse basketball team

2661
02:13:06,360 --> 02:13:07,960
Speaker 10: averaging fifteen points a game.

2662
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:10,840
Speaker 2: So there's that, my goodness, real quick Burn, I don't

2663
02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:13,360
Speaker 2: want to date you. I'm guessing you're probably not old

2664
02:13:13,480 --> 02:13:16,720
Speaker 2: enough to have seen him play in person, but I know, like,

2665
02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:18,680
Speaker 2: not even in person, but just in general.

2666
02:13:18,760 --> 02:13:20,640
Speaker 4: But I do like to saga.

2667
02:13:20,680 --> 02:13:24,040
Speaker 2: You have a great brain and knowledge of kind of

2668
02:13:24,120 --> 02:13:27,760
Speaker 2: sports history and context, and I would love anything Jim

2669
02:13:27,800 --> 02:13:29,120
Speaker 2: Brown related that you might have.

2670
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:29,600
Speaker 11: Right.

2671
02:13:29,600 --> 02:13:31,600
Speaker 10: I never saw him live in action, of course, but

2672
02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:34,680
Speaker 10: certainly the highlights. But when he passed yesterday, my good

2673
02:13:34,720 --> 02:13:37,560
Speaker 10: friend Jeremy Shapp and I spent about half an hour

2674
02:13:37,560 --> 02:13:40,080
Speaker 10: in the phone reminiscing about Jim Brown because Jim Brown

2675
02:13:40,120 --> 02:13:43,840
Speaker 10: and Dick Shapp were deeply connected. Back in nineteen ninety nine.

2676
02:13:43,880 --> 02:13:47,320
Speaker 10: You remember when ESPN did the countdown fifty top greatest

2677
02:13:47,360 --> 02:13:50,240
Speaker 10: athletes of all time. Dick shap and I corresponded on that.

2678
02:13:50,360 --> 02:13:52,360
Speaker 10: He told me, flat out, just give it to Jim Brown.

2679
02:13:52,760 --> 02:13:55,680
Speaker 10: He truly believed whatever sport Jim Brown would have played,

2680
02:13:55,720 --> 02:13:57,880
Speaker 10: he would have been the best at anything. And Shapp

2681
02:13:57,920 --> 02:14:01,280
Speaker 10: would know that because when Jim Brown was playing lacrosse

2682
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:05,600
Speaker 10: at Syracuse, Dick Shapp was playing lacrosse at Cornell. He

2683
02:14:05,680 --> 02:14:09,600
Speaker 10: was a goalie. Actually played Syracuse one day. Dick Shapp

2684
02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:13,640
Speaker 10: stopped four shots from Jim Brown, but he gave up

2685
02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:17,840
Speaker 10: seven goals that day. They became really good friends. Shapp

2686
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:20,680
Speaker 10: told me that when Brown was in high school, they

2687
02:14:20,680 --> 02:14:23,200
Speaker 10: averaged fourteen yards of carry on the football team, thirty

2688
02:14:23,240 --> 02:14:26,320
Speaker 10: eight points in the basketball team, All American Lacrosse even

2689
02:14:26,320 --> 02:14:29,560
Speaker 10: played baseball through three no hitters. The New York Yankees

2690
02:14:29,600 --> 02:14:32,080
Speaker 10: tried to sign it, but obviously he went on to

2691
02:14:32,080 --> 02:14:34,920
Speaker 10: play football and at Syracuse. You know what he did

2692
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:39,080
Speaker 10: there with lacrosse, basketball, and of course football. Even the

2693
02:14:39,120 --> 02:14:41,800
Speaker 10: boxing coach, a guy by the name of Roy Simmons,

2694
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:44,400
Speaker 10: told Brown if he would have just focused on boxing,

2695
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:47,600
Speaker 10: he would have been heavyweight champion of the world. However,

2696
02:14:47,720 --> 02:14:50,000
Speaker 10: this is the far this is the real story I

2697
02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:53,480
Speaker 10: wanted to tell. In nineteen fifty six, Paul Horning of

2698
02:14:53,640 --> 02:14:58,040
Speaker 10: Notre Dame won the Heisman Trophy. Dick Shapp had a

2699
02:14:58,120 --> 02:15:00,520
Speaker 10: vote on the Heisman Trophy and voted for Gi Brown.

2700
02:15:01,600 --> 02:15:04,120
Speaker 10: When he found out that Jim Brown not only didn't

2701
02:15:04,160 --> 02:15:09,600
Speaker 10: win the Heisman Trophy but finished fifth, Dick Shapp boycotted

2702
02:15:09,600 --> 02:15:12,560
Speaker 10: the Heisman Trophy and of staying from voting for twenty

2703
02:15:12,600 --> 02:15:15,760
Speaker 10: five years, didn't vote again until nineteen eighty one, when

2704
02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:18,680
Speaker 10: he voted for Marcus Allen at USC. That began to

2705
02:15:18,760 --> 02:15:21,160
Speaker 10: form a bomb and to bomb, and to a degree

2706
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:24,720
Speaker 10: somewhat set the tone for the remainder of Jim Brown's

2707
02:15:24,720 --> 02:15:29,200
Speaker 10: life and Dick Shaft's life as well, because Jim Brown

2708
02:15:29,320 --> 02:15:31,720
Speaker 10: was denied the Heisman by far the best player in

2709
02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:34,760
Speaker 10: the country because he was black, and Dick Shapp did

2710
02:15:34,760 --> 02:15:37,000
Speaker 10: not deal with that at all real quick.

2711
02:15:37,720 --> 02:15:40,200
Speaker 2: Dick Schapp was his contemporary as an athlete, and he

2712
02:15:40,200 --> 02:15:42,360
Speaker 2: had a Heisman Trophy vote at like three twenty four.

2713
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:46,360
Speaker 10: He had a Heisman Trophy vote at twenty two. Dick

2714
02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:48,520
Speaker 10: Shapp was two years older than Jim Brown. He was

2715
02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:51,160
Speaker 10: born in thirty four. Yes, all that's correct. He was

2716
02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:52,720
Speaker 10: editor of a magazine.

2717
02:15:53,720 --> 02:15:54,480
Speaker 4: That's impressive.

2718
02:15:55,240 --> 02:15:58,160
Speaker 2: Besides all the Jim Brown stuff, just getting a Heisman

2719
02:15:58,200 --> 02:16:00,680
Speaker 2: Trophy vote at twenty two years old is impressive.

2720
02:16:00,720 --> 02:16:02,240
Speaker 4: So that caught me by surprise.

2721
02:16:02,600 --> 02:16:04,760
Speaker 3: Well, those are some those are some stories that you're

2722
02:16:04,760 --> 02:16:06,760
Speaker 3: not gonna get anywhere else, and I'm not surprised that

2723
02:16:06,840 --> 02:16:11,840
Speaker 3: you had them. Okaday's Vegas. We're probably gonna ask you

2724
02:16:11,880 --> 02:16:13,880
Speaker 3: this every week because there seems to be something and

2725
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:15,560
Speaker 3: you're usually the one to dig it up.

2726
02:16:15,560 --> 02:16:18,600
Speaker 10: So what's the lightest, Well, the legislature get ready to

2727
02:16:18,680 --> 02:16:21,920
Speaker 10: adjourn here on June fifth. They have to have a

2728
02:16:21,960 --> 02:16:23,880
Speaker 10: deal by May twenty sixth that they're going to have one,

2729
02:16:23,960 --> 02:16:27,120
Speaker 10: or they call a special session. Guys, when we started

2730
02:16:27,160 --> 02:16:30,080
Speaker 10: talking about this weeks ago, they'd entered into a binding

2731
02:16:30,120 --> 02:16:32,520
Speaker 10: agreement to buy the forty nine acres the A's did

2732
02:16:32,560 --> 02:16:37,520
Speaker 10: over on Dean Martin and the fifteen freeway, and all

2733
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:39,760
Speaker 10: all of a sudden, they pivot now over to the

2734
02:16:39,800 --> 02:16:44,039
Speaker 10: Tropic Cana site thirty four acres. And interestingly enough, now

2735
02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:46,920
Speaker 10: that the Tropic Cana site is in play, they only

2736
02:16:46,920 --> 02:16:49,720
Speaker 10: need three hundred million dollars instead of five hundred million

2737
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:53,840
Speaker 10: dollars to bridge the gap. Or here's the problem. The

2738
02:16:53,879 --> 02:16:56,840
Speaker 10: state legislator has been meeting and it's a pretty big

2739
02:16:56,879 --> 02:17:00,000
Speaker 10: battle behind the scenes. There's they they've drafted a bit,

2740
02:17:00,200 --> 02:17:03,640
Speaker 10: but it's not gone to vote yet, and maybe it

2741
02:17:03,680 --> 02:17:06,520
Speaker 10: will later this week, but time is running out. There

2742
02:17:06,560 --> 02:17:08,280
Speaker 10: are now talks about wait a minute, with that money,

2743
02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:10,840
Speaker 10: we could build a new children's hospital, and YadA, YadA, YadA.

2744
02:17:10,840 --> 02:17:13,280
Speaker 10: If it turns out that the ESCN service a debt

2745
02:17:13,320 --> 02:17:15,640
Speaker 10: on those bonds and Clark Connie will have to and

2746
02:17:15,680 --> 02:17:18,000
Speaker 10: if the reserve front of funds run dry, then they'll

2747
02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:20,560
Speaker 10: have to raise property taxes. So we don't have enough

2748
02:17:20,600 --> 02:17:22,800
Speaker 10: time to get into all the inner workings that would

2749
02:17:22,840 --> 02:17:25,920
Speaker 10: just say this. They are about two hundred million dollars apart,

2750
02:17:26,240 --> 02:17:27,920
Speaker 10: and I don't know what bridge is at gap. This

2751
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:30,360
Speaker 10: is a fluid situation. I'll have an update every week.

2752
02:17:30,640 --> 02:17:33,280
Speaker 10: I'll say what I've said a year ago and two

2753
02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:35,959
Speaker 10: months ago. Whenever it's a fifty to fifty deal, We'll see.

2754
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:38,560
Speaker 4: What happens real quick, you know.

2755
02:17:39,400 --> 02:17:42,360
Speaker 2: So obviously there's going to be a political battle over

2756
02:17:42,720 --> 02:17:46,600
Speaker 2: money and all that. Has there been any indication of

2757
02:17:46,720 --> 02:17:49,480
Speaker 2: how the A's would be run if they moved to Vegas,

2758
02:17:49,520 --> 02:17:52,680
Speaker 2: And let me preface it by saying, like, you know,

2759
02:17:53,000 --> 02:17:56,400
Speaker 2: if the city's going to commit three hundred million minimum

2760
02:17:56,520 --> 02:17:59,800
Speaker 2: to helping with the stadium, I would hope that they

2761
02:17:59,840 --> 02:18:02,040
Speaker 2: are going to see a competitive product on the field.

2762
02:18:02,040 --> 02:18:05,880
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's something a politician would ask,

2763
02:18:06,440 --> 02:18:09,640
Speaker 2: but it's something I would ask if this this team

2764
02:18:09,720 --> 02:18:11,320
Speaker 2: is so desperate to move to my city.

2765
02:18:11,320 --> 02:18:14,160
Speaker 10: Bernie, Well, that's a very good question, and absolutely those

2766
02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:18,280
Speaker 10: questions will be asked. John Fisher is a billionaire, he's

2767
02:18:18,320 --> 02:18:20,879
Speaker 10: an heir to the Gap fortune. We don't know how

2768
02:18:20,920 --> 02:18:22,640
Speaker 10: he'll run the team when they get here in twenty

2769
02:18:22,680 --> 02:18:25,520
Speaker 10: twenty seven, if in fact it happens, and if he'll

2770
02:18:25,520 --> 02:18:28,560
Speaker 10: put a competitive product on the field. These are unknowable

2771
02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:31,960
Speaker 10: things right now. So that's part of the conversation, of course,

2772
02:18:32,440 --> 02:18:36,039
Speaker 10: And there aren't you know, answers readily available yet.

2773
02:18:37,800 --> 02:18:40,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think you'd say, Hey, I saw Moneyball's

2774
02:18:40,360 --> 02:18:41,840
Speaker 3: a really good movie. I don't want to see it

2775
02:18:41,840 --> 02:18:44,959
Speaker 3: in my city, Like not if I'm paying that paying

2776
02:18:45,000 --> 02:18:46,199
Speaker 3: that kind of money, I want.

2777
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:48,680
Speaker 10: To see, Yes, to be fair, Jason. In the last

2778
02:18:48,720 --> 02:18:51,879
Speaker 10: eleven years, the Oakland A's have won ninety games six

2779
02:18:51,920 --> 02:18:53,800
Speaker 10: times and they've been to the playoff five times. But

2780
02:18:53,879 --> 02:18:54,360
Speaker 10: that was then.

2781
02:18:54,440 --> 02:18:55,080
Speaker 3: This is now.

2782
02:18:55,520 --> 02:18:57,720
Speaker 10: They drew a thousand fans on Monday night. They got

2783
02:18:57,760 --> 02:19:01,240
Speaker 10: the lowest payroll in baseball, and it doesn't look good.

2784
02:19:01,280 --> 02:19:02,000
Speaker 7: And their owner.

2785
02:19:02,320 --> 02:19:04,280
Speaker 10: If you listen to the good folks in Oakland who've

2786
02:19:04,280 --> 02:19:06,040
Speaker 10: been reaching out to me since I've been reporting on

2787
02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:08,200
Speaker 10: this for the last few months, they're not real high

2788
02:19:08,280 --> 02:19:08,760
Speaker 10: on their owner.

2789
02:19:09,160 --> 02:19:10,600
Speaker 3: So you just don't know.

2790
02:19:10,600 --> 02:19:11,840
Speaker 10: It's a very good question, guys.

2791
02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:16,080
Speaker 3: Burn Jason, Yeah, my question. Well, let me ask you

2792
02:19:16,120 --> 02:19:18,039
Speaker 3: one other real quick follow up, and I think I

2793
02:19:18,080 --> 02:19:20,120
Speaker 3: may have asked you this before, but so we're talking

2794
02:19:20,120 --> 02:19:21,720
Speaker 3: about how bad they are right now and how they're

2795
02:19:21,720 --> 02:19:24,440
Speaker 3: not drawing fans. You had mentioned in the last couple

2796
02:19:24,440 --> 02:19:26,360
Speaker 3: of weeks. You think, guys, would you do think fans

2797
02:19:26,400 --> 02:19:28,680
Speaker 3: would come out to the ballpark. Will they come out

2798
02:19:28,720 --> 02:19:32,720
Speaker 3: to the ballpark to support a bad baseball team in Vegas?

2799
02:19:33,320 --> 02:19:36,320
Speaker 10: Unlikely? What you would hope for, though, is that it

2800
02:19:36,320 --> 02:19:39,199
Speaker 10: becomes a tourist attraction, which is part of the pitch

2801
02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:42,000
Speaker 10: by the A's. They believe it'll lead to an additional

2802
02:19:42,040 --> 02:19:45,000
Speaker 10: four hundred thousand tourists coming to Vegas per year because

2803
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:48,039
Speaker 10: of the A's. Well that you you divide that by

2804
02:19:48,040 --> 02:19:50,640
Speaker 10: eighty one home dates and that's five thousand fans per game.

2805
02:19:50,959 --> 02:19:52,160
Speaker 10: We think that's overstated.

2806
02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:56,520
Speaker 2: Frankly, it's overstated to that five' yes, because.

2807
02:19:56,360 --> 02:19:59,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, that there would be that money that many

2808
02:19:59,440 --> 02:20:02,880
Speaker 10: just because of the A's. All right, So, for instance,

2809
02:20:02,959 --> 02:20:05,520
Speaker 10: let's say you live in Pittsburgh and it's an old brainer.

2810
02:20:05,560 --> 02:20:07,080
Speaker 10: Maybe in December you want to get out of the

2811
02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:10,760
Speaker 10: winner and come see to see the Steelers play the Raiders. Great,

2812
02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:13,200
Speaker 10: have fun, make a weekend around it. But are you

2813
02:20:13,240 --> 02:20:15,920
Speaker 10: gonna come Tuesday and Wednesday and Thursday in July to

2814
02:20:15,959 --> 02:20:17,920
Speaker 10: see the Pittsburgh Pirates play the A's And are you

2815
02:20:17,959 --> 02:20:19,640
Speaker 10: gonna go to all three games or go to one game?

2816
02:20:19,640 --> 02:20:20,840
Speaker 10: These are things you just don't know.

2817
02:20:22,200 --> 02:20:24,320
Speaker 2: Those are things that you and I I know I've

2818
02:20:24,360 --> 02:20:26,080
Speaker 2: called you a few times just to get some background

2819
02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:28,280
Speaker 2: on this story. And that's one thing that I've always said,

2820
02:20:28,360 --> 02:20:30,760
Speaker 2: is you know, you come to Vegas for three or

2821
02:20:30,760 --> 02:20:32,840
Speaker 2: four A's. It's one thing to go to a game.

2822
02:20:32,920 --> 02:20:34,280
Speaker 2: You don't want to spend your whole trip at the

2823
02:20:34,280 --> 02:20:36,760
Speaker 2: ballpark burn really quick. You know, Jason brought this up.

2824
02:20:36,760 --> 02:20:39,520
Speaker 2: I'd kind of forgotten, but you were ahead of the

2825
02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:43,840
Speaker 2: curve on the Denver Nuggets from the beginning. I remember

2826
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:46,000
Speaker 2: when these playoffs started, you said that you really liked them.

2827
02:20:46,320 --> 02:20:48,160
Speaker 2: What did you see from this team in the regular

2828
02:20:48,200 --> 02:20:50,520
Speaker 2: season that gave you some confidence going into the playoffs

2829
02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:53,840
Speaker 2: because they're again up three to zero on Los Angeles

2830
02:20:53,879 --> 02:20:55,520
Speaker 2: and can close out that series on Monday.

2831
02:20:55,680 --> 02:20:57,840
Speaker 10: Absolutely, I believe they were the best team in the

2832
02:20:57,879 --> 02:20:59,400
Speaker 10: Western Conference during the season.

2833
02:20:59,520 --> 02:21:00,600
Speaker 3: It wasn't you been close.

2834
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:03,040
Speaker 10: When they're in full strength, they can play head up

2835
02:21:03,080 --> 02:21:06,240
Speaker 10: against anybody. They've got a center that was the truly MVP,

2836
02:21:06,760 --> 02:21:10,120
Speaker 10: the first center to win or check that, to average

2837
02:21:10,200 --> 02:21:13,760
Speaker 10: a triple double, a center averager triple double for a season.

2838
02:21:14,200 --> 02:21:16,160
Speaker 10: We talked about this six eight weeks ago. I thought

2839
02:21:16,200 --> 02:21:18,160
Speaker 10: they were the most complete team, the most balanced team

2840
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:21,080
Speaker 10: offensively and defensively. The one stat that stuck out in

2841
02:21:21,080 --> 02:21:24,400
Speaker 10: my mind points per possession, points per one hundred possessions.

2842
02:21:24,959 --> 02:21:28,160
Speaker 10: The Denver Nuggets average one hundred and twenty five points

2843
02:21:28,200 --> 02:21:32,160
Speaker 10: per one hundred possessions. That's a significant stat. Compare that

2844
02:21:32,200 --> 02:21:33,959
Speaker 10: with the Lakers, who are around one hundred and nine

2845
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:37,240
Speaker 10: points per one hundred possessions. Not only that, when they

2846
02:21:37,240 --> 02:21:40,520
Speaker 10: had Yuki get on the floor, Denver was forty two

2847
02:21:40,600 --> 02:21:44,720
Speaker 10: and four at home this year. Even when he didn't play,

2848
02:21:44,720 --> 02:21:47,560
Speaker 10: they were forty two and seven, so very tough out

2849
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:52,879
Speaker 10: at home. Balanced, talented, can shoot the three, A situationally,

2850
02:21:53,240 --> 02:21:55,560
Speaker 10: they step up. They have plenty of players that when

2851
02:21:55,800 --> 02:21:58,800
Speaker 10: the situation demanded greatness, they were great, and now they're

2852
02:21:58,840 --> 02:22:01,240
Speaker 10: proving it. We're going to have Chad Andrews from one

2853
02:22:01,280 --> 02:22:03,600
Speaker 10: oh four point three in Denver coming on. Been looking

2854
02:22:03,600 --> 02:22:06,720
Speaker 10: forward to having him because from the Denver perspective, I

2855
02:22:06,760 --> 02:22:08,959
Speaker 10: don't care what anybody says. People can try this make

2856
02:22:09,040 --> 02:22:09,440
Speaker 10: up call.

2857
02:22:09,480 --> 02:22:11,480
Speaker 3: Now. They were not getting respect.

2858
02:22:11,720 --> 02:22:15,960
Speaker 10: Even in halftime tonight, Jalen Rose and Mike Wilbond and

2859
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:18,320
Speaker 10: Steven A. Smith were all talking about what the Lakers

2860
02:22:18,440 --> 02:22:21,039
Speaker 10: needed to do to come back and win the game,

2861
02:22:21,160 --> 02:22:24,720
Speaker 10: how they needed to stop Jamal Murray and again right

2862
02:22:24,760 --> 02:22:27,120
Speaker 10: on down the line, it was all about covering for

2863
02:22:27,200 --> 02:22:30,480
Speaker 10: the Lakers and making sure that, yeah, well they lost

2864
02:22:30,520 --> 02:22:32,640
Speaker 10: Game one, but it's a good victory and they ferreted

2865
02:22:32,640 --> 02:22:34,480
Speaker 10: it out and here we go. And by the way,

2866
02:22:34,760 --> 02:22:36,600
Speaker 10: I'm quite sure at this point Nick Wright is so

2867
02:22:36,680 --> 02:22:40,080
Speaker 10: confident he'll probably have Lebron and Ad just sit out

2868
02:22:40,120 --> 02:22:41,840
Speaker 10: Game four so they can be fresh for Game five and.

2869
02:22:41,800 --> 02:22:47,000
Speaker 3: Denver, hm, well, they can be fresh for Cancun. Before

2870
02:22:47,040 --> 02:22:50,160
Speaker 3: we let you go, Bernie talked about the nfls. I

2871
02:22:50,200 --> 02:22:52,520
Speaker 3: haven't yeah, I haven't mentioned the NFL since you mentioned

2872
02:22:52,520 --> 02:22:54,480
Speaker 3: the Raiders, and that's far too long, and that's like

2873
02:22:54,520 --> 02:22:58,480
Speaker 3: two minutes ago. I want Week one best bets right now,

2874
02:22:58,560 --> 02:23:00,360
Speaker 3: on May the twenty first, and I'll.

2875
02:23:00,200 --> 02:23:02,080
Speaker 10: Give you three of them, guys. I like the Lions

2876
02:23:02,160 --> 02:23:06,080
Speaker 10: plus seven Thursday Night. Remember the last time Jared Goff

2877
02:23:06,120 --> 02:23:08,040
Speaker 10: and Patrick Mahomes got on the field. Eight hundred and

2878
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:11,520
Speaker 10: ninety one yards passing eleven touchdowns, one hundred and five points.

2879
02:23:11,680 --> 02:23:13,439
Speaker 10: You know, there have been two hundred twenty one occasions

2880
02:23:13,440 --> 02:23:16,200
Speaker 10: in the NFL where a team scored fifty points. Only

2881
02:23:16,240 --> 02:23:19,160
Speaker 10: once did that team lose. That was KC fifty four

2882
02:23:19,200 --> 02:23:23,760
Speaker 10: to fifty one. Here's why Detroit's defense quietly in the offseason.

2883
02:23:24,040 --> 02:23:26,480
Speaker 10: They went out and revamped their starting secondary. They bring

2884
02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:29,720
Speaker 10: in CJ. Mosley, camp Sutton, CJ. Gardner Johnson, and they

2885
02:23:29,800 --> 02:23:33,119
Speaker 10: draft Brian banch A branch So if their defense can

2886
02:23:33,200 --> 02:23:36,440
Speaker 10: just be average, this offense is gonna be prolific. Seven

2887
02:23:36,480 --> 02:23:38,600
Speaker 10: points is a lot in the standalone game. I like

2888
02:23:38,640 --> 02:23:42,200
Speaker 10: the Buccaneers getting seven against the Vikings Week one. The

2889
02:23:42,280 --> 02:23:45,400
Speaker 10: Vikings are gonna fall victim to the pythagoream theorem this year,

2890
02:23:45,720 --> 02:23:48,080
Speaker 10: just like the Raiders did last year. Will you give

2891
02:23:48,160 --> 02:23:50,480
Speaker 10: up more points in your score and your win loss

2892
02:23:50,520 --> 02:23:54,080
Speaker 10: record doesn't match the true performance on the field. And finally,

2893
02:23:54,360 --> 02:23:56,959
Speaker 10: this one, I really like the best Titans plus three

2894
02:23:57,040 --> 02:24:00,600
Speaker 10: and a half against the Saints Week one, not a

2895
02:24:00,680 --> 02:24:02,600
Speaker 10: dot in my mind. The Saints are gonna have growing

2896
02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:05,720
Speaker 10: paints with Derek Carr. I don't have any faith in

2897
02:24:05,800 --> 02:24:07,800
Speaker 10: Derek Carr. I have all the faith in the world

2898
02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:11,520
Speaker 10: in Mike Vaibel, especially as an underdog sixty one percent

2899
02:24:11,520 --> 02:24:13,840
Speaker 10: against the number as an underdog. Meanwhile, the coach of

2900
02:24:13,879 --> 02:24:18,039
Speaker 10: the Saints, Dennis Allen thirty three percent as a favorite.

2901
02:24:18,280 --> 02:24:22,000
Speaker 10: I feel that the Saints to be laying points that

2902
02:24:22,120 --> 02:24:25,160
Speaker 10: early against the Titans. Ryan Tannehill, by the way, people

2903
02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:27,039
Speaker 10: can make fun of him, and he got heard. You know,

2904
02:24:27,640 --> 02:24:31,320
Speaker 10: everybody forgets last year the Titans, I believe, well, they

2905
02:24:31,360 --> 02:24:33,840
Speaker 10: finished doing seven, but they started out like seven to three,

2906
02:24:34,120 --> 02:24:36,080
Speaker 10: and they had so many injuries. So I think you

2907
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:39,480
Speaker 10: see a healthy Titan team. And Ryan Tannehill had a

2908
02:24:39,480 --> 02:24:42,800
Speaker 10: better year statistically than Derek Carr had last year. And

2909
02:24:42,840 --> 02:24:44,160
Speaker 10: the wrong team is getting points.

2910
02:24:44,600 --> 02:24:45,680
Speaker 4: He is Bernie Fratto.

2911
02:24:45,720 --> 02:24:47,560
Speaker 2: You can listen to him at the top of the

2912
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:51,320
Speaker 2: hour twenty seven minutes from now The Bernie Fratto Show.

2913
02:24:51,640 --> 02:24:54,879
Speaker 2: Also make sure to follow him on Twitter at Bernie Fratto. Bernie,

2914
02:24:54,879 --> 02:24:57,400
Speaker 2: we appreciate the time, man, have a great evening, and

2915
02:24:57,680 --> 02:24:58,800
Speaker 2: we'll be listening at the top.

2916
02:24:58,640 --> 02:24:59,000
Speaker 3: Of the hour.

2917
02:24:59,240 --> 02:24:59,800
Speaker 10: Thanks for having me.

2918
02:25:00,040 --> 02:25:00,760
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

2919
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:03,640
Speaker 2: That is Bernie Fraddo of The Bernie Fratto Show. Make

2920
02:25:03,640 --> 02:25:06,920
Speaker 2: sure to be following him on Twitter at Bernie Fratto

2921
02:25:07,400 --> 02:25:08,800
Speaker 2: and listening at the top of the hour.

2922
02:25:09,160 --> 02:25:09,959
Speaker 4: Want to react to some of.

2923
02:25:09,959 --> 02:25:12,640
Speaker 2: What Bernie said in an interesting story out of the

2924
02:25:12,760 --> 02:25:15,160
Speaker 2: NBA before we do, though, toss it over the news

2925
02:25:15,160 --> 02:25:18,240
Speaker 2: desk final time this evening, Steve the Sega, what's trending?

2926
02:25:18,320 --> 02:25:21,000
Speaker 7: Speaking of Vegas, a reminder. Game two of the NHL's

2927
02:25:21,000 --> 02:25:23,800
Speaker 7: West Final is Sunday afternoon in Vegas. The team that

2928
02:25:23,840 --> 02:25:26,440
Speaker 7: beat Dallas in overtime last night. In fact, the starts

2929
02:25:26,480 --> 02:25:29,800
Speaker 7: the first team to lose three game ones in overtime

2930
02:25:30,080 --> 02:25:32,920
Speaker 7: in the same postseason. Dallas coach Peter de Bor was

2931
02:25:33,000 --> 02:25:36,040
Speaker 7: Vegas's coach the past three years. A reminder, NASCAR's annual

2932
02:25:36,080 --> 02:25:38,720
Speaker 7: All Star Race Sunday night on FS one, eight pm

2933
02:25:38,840 --> 02:25:42,360
Speaker 7: Eastern time. NBA West Finals has Denver one seed, in

2934
02:25:42,400 --> 02:25:45,640
Speaker 7: the conference, leading three games to none against the Lakers.

2935
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:47,879
Speaker 7: Now beat him in La tonight one nineteen to one

2936
02:25:47,959 --> 02:25:50,640
Speaker 7: oh eight. Jamal Murray thirty seven points, thirty in the

2937
02:25:50,680 --> 02:25:54,800
Speaker 7: first half, Anthony Davison defeat twenty eight points, eighteen rebounds.

2938
02:25:54,840 --> 02:25:57,000
Speaker 7: The Lakers had won nine straight at home over the

2939
02:25:57,080 --> 02:25:59,280
Speaker 7: last month and a half. Game four of the series,

2940
02:25:59,280 --> 02:26:02,000
Speaker 7: also in lost Angels, is Monday night. The Nuggets have

2941
02:26:02,120 --> 02:26:06,000
Speaker 7: never advanced to the NBA Finals even before tonight. In

2942
02:26:06,080 --> 02:26:08,680
Speaker 7: Nuggets history, every time they've led a series two games

2943
02:26:08,680 --> 02:26:11,160
Speaker 7: to none, they've always won that series six times total,

2944
02:26:11,200 --> 02:26:14,040
Speaker 7: including first round this year, Second Round this year, up

2945
02:26:14,040 --> 02:26:16,480
Speaker 7: three games to none now in this round. Game three

2946
02:26:16,520 --> 02:26:19,359
Speaker 7: of the NBA East Finals is Tomorrow night at Miami,

2947
02:26:19,440 --> 02:26:22,080
Speaker 7: which leads two games to none against the Celtics. Jason

2948
02:26:22,080 --> 02:26:24,400
Speaker 7: Tatum and the fourth quarters at home in games one

2949
02:26:24,440 --> 02:26:27,240
Speaker 7: and two did not have a field goal and had

2950
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:30,840
Speaker 7: five turnovers total. The heat this postseason record of six

2951
02:26:30,879 --> 02:26:33,199
Speaker 7: and two in games that they trailed by at least

2952
02:26:33,200 --> 02:26:36,520
Speaker 7: ten points. Celtic's history went down two games to none.

2953
02:26:37,400 --> 02:26:40,960
Speaker 7: They've lost nineteen of the twenty one series in their

2954
02:26:41,120 --> 02:26:45,279
Speaker 7: illustrious history. Went down to oh Stanley Cup playoffs tonight

2955
02:26:45,360 --> 02:26:48,760
Speaker 7: Florida another overtime win at one seed Carolina. This is

2956
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:51,000
Speaker 7: a quick overtime win, two to one. It was a

2957
02:26:51,080 --> 02:26:53,680
Speaker 7: four overtime win on Thursday, so two games to non

2958
02:26:53,760 --> 02:26:56,320
Speaker 7: Panthers lead in the East Final. Florida's won eight straight

2959
02:26:56,360 --> 02:26:59,240
Speaker 7: on the road, six and zero in overtime. This postseason

2960
02:26:59,280 --> 02:27:01,120
Speaker 7: game winner to match. If you could chuck Samus in

2961
02:27:01,160 --> 02:27:04,160
Speaker 7: the series opener, Brooks Koepka leads by one stroke at

2962
02:27:04,200 --> 02:27:07,720
Speaker 7: the PGA Championship after a third round sixty six. Victor

2963
02:27:07,760 --> 02:27:11,320
Speaker 7: Hovelin is tied for second with Corey Connors, Bryson Deshambeaus

2964
02:27:11,360 --> 02:27:13,920
Speaker 7: three back. It rained all day there in Rochester, New York.

2965
02:27:13,920 --> 02:27:16,400
Speaker 7: Scotti Scheffler shot seventy three today It failed to a

2966
02:27:16,480 --> 02:27:19,560
Speaker 7: tie for fifth place with Justin Rose Roy McElroy as

2967
02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:22,120
Speaker 7: four shots back. What a story going on in the

2968
02:27:22,160 --> 02:27:25,720
Speaker 7: top ten though, a club pro from southern California, Michael

2969
02:27:25,760 --> 02:27:29,680
Speaker 7: Block shot seventy for a third straight day at a major.

2970
02:27:29,800 --> 02:27:33,920
Speaker 7: He is even par and tied for eighth place. Compare

2971
02:27:33,959 --> 02:27:36,320
Speaker 7: that to the group at five over pars so far,

2972
02:27:36,520 --> 02:27:40,520
Speaker 7: Dustin Johnson, who shot seventy four today, Colin Morricawa, Xander

2973
02:27:40,600 --> 02:27:43,840
Speaker 7: Schaffley at six over pars so far. Jordan Speith and

2974
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:47,600
Speaker 7: John Rohm, Justin Thomas and Phil Micholson each shot seventy

2975
02:27:47,640 --> 02:27:50,480
Speaker 7: five today and their ten over par going into tomorrow's

2976
02:27:50,520 --> 02:27:54,360
Speaker 7: final round. Winning the Preakness was National Treasure Blazing Seven's

2977
02:27:54,480 --> 02:27:57,640
Speaker 7: was a close second. Kentucky Derby winner Mage finished third today.

2978
02:27:57,640 --> 02:27:59,959
Speaker 7: The favorite Mage was the only horse to run both

2979
02:28:00,120 --> 02:28:02,440
Speaker 7: the Derby and Preakness this year. That's a first since

2980
02:28:02,560 --> 02:28:05,400
Speaker 7: nineteen forty eight. There were only seven horses in this

2981
02:28:05,560 --> 02:28:07,680
Speaker 7: field and it was a slow race, but for trainer

2982
02:28:07,680 --> 02:28:10,879
Speaker 7: Bob Baffort, back from suspension, it was his record eighth

2983
02:28:11,040 --> 02:28:14,240
Speaker 7: Preakness victory, and it was a fifteenth straight Triple Crown

2984
02:28:14,320 --> 02:28:17,280
Speaker 7: race won by a different horse, going back to twenty eighteen,

2985
02:28:17,320 --> 02:28:20,560
Speaker 7: when Justified swept all three races. The two late games

2986
02:28:20,560 --> 02:28:23,400
Speaker 7: in Major League Baseball are done. Twins beat the Angels

2987
02:28:23,440 --> 02:28:26,480
Speaker 7: six to two in Anaheim. Boston sent San Diego to

2988
02:28:26,520 --> 02:28:29,119
Speaker 7: another loss, four to two. Chris Sailed the winning pitcher

2989
02:28:29,160 --> 02:28:32,440
Speaker 7: over Joe Musgrove, whosra Is six points seven to five.

2990
02:28:32,840 --> 02:28:36,480
Speaker 7: Padres record twenty and twenty six. Saint Louis held on

2991
02:28:36,520 --> 02:28:39,359
Speaker 7: to beat the Dodgers. Sixty five. Dodger pitcher Julio Arius

2992
02:28:39,440 --> 02:28:41,760
Speaker 7: is on the injured list with a strained hamstring. He

2993
02:28:41,879 --> 02:28:45,160
Speaker 7: is the fifth LA starting pitcher on the io. Seattle

2994
02:28:45,160 --> 02:28:47,760
Speaker 7: trailed early but still won at Atlanta seven to three.

2995
02:28:47,800 --> 02:28:50,120
Speaker 7: Matt Olsen of the Braves did have an early thirteenth

2996
02:28:50,200 --> 02:28:53,640
Speaker 7: homer of the year, sixth in the first inning. This year,

2997
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:56,640
Speaker 7: Tampa Bay won again eight to four over Milwaukee, the

2998
02:28:56,720 --> 02:29:01,359
Speaker 7: Ray's home record twenty one to three. Pitcher Zach eflynd

2999
02:29:01,440 --> 02:29:03,959
Speaker 7: six and one this year. Yankees got a ten inning

3000
02:29:04,040 --> 02:29:06,480
Speaker 7: win at Cincinnati seven to four. Aaron Judge the go

3001
02:29:06,520 --> 02:29:08,879
Speaker 7: ahead single. He went four for four Cleveland at the

3002
02:29:08,879 --> 02:29:12,080
Speaker 7: Mets reigned out. They'll play a split doubleheader tomorrow. Houston

3003
02:29:12,120 --> 02:29:14,720
Speaker 7: won at six straight game three two over Oakland on

3004
02:29:14,760 --> 02:29:17,320
Speaker 7: a solo homer bottom of the eighth from Jordan on Alvarez.

3005
02:29:17,400 --> 02:29:21,120
Speaker 7: The a's record ten and thirty seven. Miami won nothing

3006
02:29:21,160 --> 02:29:23,520
Speaker 7: winners at San Francisco on a run in the eighth,

3007
02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:28,800
Speaker 7: Arizona and Washington with wins, White Sox and Philadelphia gotta win.

3008
02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:32,000
Speaker 7: Phillies ended a five game losing streak twelve three over

3009
02:29:32,040 --> 02:29:34,960
Speaker 7: the Cubs. Losing pitcher Jamison ty On, who allowed six

3010
02:29:35,040 --> 02:29:37,520
Speaker 7: runs in the first is zero to three with an

3011
02:29:37,520 --> 02:29:41,840
Speaker 7: ERA over eight. Texas won again eleven to five against Colorado.

3012
02:29:41,840 --> 02:29:43,560
Speaker 7: In fact, Rangers were up eight to nothing in the

3013
02:29:43,560 --> 02:29:46,480
Speaker 7: second inning. Corey Seeger three hits, including a home run,

3014
02:29:46,560 --> 02:29:49,160
Speaker 7: and Baltimore and ten innings won at Toronto six to

3015
02:29:49,240 --> 02:29:51,720
Speaker 7: five the Os Tita with a three run homer in

3016
02:29:51,760 --> 02:29:53,440
Speaker 7: the eighth off closer Jordan Romano.

3017
02:29:53,480 --> 02:29:56,160
Speaker 2: Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Sager, Fox

3018
02:29:56,200 --> 02:29:59,920
Speaker 2: Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Aeron tors Jason Martin broadcasting

3019
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:01,879
Speaker 2: live from the Tireck dot Com studios.

3020
02:30:02,240 --> 02:30:03,959
Speaker 4: Tell you what, well, come back.

3021
02:30:04,280 --> 02:30:06,920
Speaker 2: There is one more basketball story that I want to

3022
02:30:06,959 --> 02:30:09,400
Speaker 2: hit on, and of course we will make our picks

3023
02:30:09,440 --> 02:30:13,400
Speaker 2: for Game three in the Eastern Conference Finals tomorrow and

3024
02:30:13,520 --> 02:30:16,320
Speaker 2: Game four Monday between Los Angeles and Denver.

3025
02:30:16,680 --> 02:30:17,320
Speaker 7: That's next.

3026
02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:18,840
Speaker 4: This is Fox Sports.

3027
02:30:18,840 --> 02:30:19,160
Speaker 7: Are you.

3028
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:22,600
Speaker 3: Back over to Joker for Murray?

3029
02:30:22,680 --> 02:30:26,360
Speaker 12: He spins in the paint kickout three quarter fall game.

3030
02:30:28,640 --> 02:30:32,320
Speaker 12: They're gonna win game number three and go up three

3031
02:30:32,520 --> 02:30:35,480
Speaker 12: now they're all fights fourteen points.

3032
02:30:35,160 --> 02:30:36,440
Speaker 3: With one to go.

3033
02:30:38,240 --> 02:30:42,080
Speaker 2: That was a heck of a call from Altitude Sports

3034
02:30:42,120 --> 02:30:45,640
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Speaker 2: dot Com. That call, of course, coming from the big

3040
02:31:00,480 --> 02:31:03,800
Speaker 2: game and the big story of the night that was

3041
02:31:03,920 --> 02:31:07,360
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles where the Lakers desperate for a win,

3042
02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:11,360
Speaker 2: trailing two coming into the evening, they fell to the Nuggets.

3043
02:31:11,440 --> 02:31:14,120
Speaker 2: Now the Nuggets are up three to zero in that series.

3044
02:31:14,280 --> 02:31:16,280
Speaker 2: Nuggets win one nineteen one to eight. By the way,

3045
02:31:16,280 --> 02:31:18,280
Speaker 2: if you missed any of that conversation that we had

3046
02:31:18,320 --> 02:31:21,000
Speaker 2: on that game or anything else, make sure to download

3047
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:24,320
Speaker 2: the podcast. Jason, there was one more basketball story I

3048
02:31:24,320 --> 02:31:28,160
Speaker 2: wanted to get to very quickly, and it came from

3049
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:30,959
Speaker 2: a report from Shams Trania of The Athletic a few

3050
02:31:31,000 --> 02:31:33,240
Speaker 2: days ago, and it has to do with the topic

3051
02:31:33,240 --> 02:31:35,959
Speaker 2: we've discussed on this show before, which is the NBA

3052
02:31:36,040 --> 02:31:38,600
Speaker 2: All Star Game. NBA All Star Game had the lowest

3053
02:31:38,680 --> 02:31:42,119
Speaker 2: ratings basically in the history of the event this year,

3054
02:31:42,200 --> 02:31:46,040
Speaker 2: certainly in the last couple decades, and according to Shams,

3055
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:49,160
Speaker 2: the NBA and the NBAPA are looking at several different

3056
02:31:49,280 --> 02:31:53,200
Speaker 2: ways to increase competitiveness, and they came up with this

3057
02:31:53,320 --> 02:31:56,320
Speaker 2: really unique, interesting idea, Jason, that I think is worth

3058
02:31:56,360 --> 02:31:59,920
Speaker 2: discussing really quick. What they want to do is take

3059
02:32:00,120 --> 02:32:03,440
Speaker 2: the best players from the East and put them against

3060
02:32:03,480 --> 02:32:05,920
Speaker 2: the best players from the West. I think it's a

3061
02:32:05,959 --> 02:32:09,760
Speaker 2: really creative, brilliant Yes, I don't know who came up

3062
02:32:09,800 --> 02:32:10,080
Speaker 2: with this.

3063
02:32:10,320 --> 02:32:11,320
Speaker 4: Whoever came up.

3064
02:32:11,240 --> 02:32:13,920
Speaker 2: With it deserves a raise though, because again, for those

3065
02:32:13,959 --> 02:32:16,760
Speaker 2: of you who missed it, they want to go to East.

3066
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:19,760
Speaker 2: Oh wait, they were doing that for like forty years,

3067
02:32:19,840 --> 02:32:23,160
Speaker 2: and by the way, I thought it was awesome. You know, listen,

3068
02:32:23,320 --> 02:32:25,400
Speaker 2: I know that the ratings started going sideways a few

3069
02:32:25,440 --> 02:32:28,520
Speaker 2: years ago, and I know the competitive is competitiveness started

3070
02:32:28,560 --> 02:32:32,280
Speaker 2: going sideways, and they tried to implement the draft to

3071
02:32:32,360 --> 02:32:35,880
Speaker 2: make it interesting. One I forget, I don't even remember

3072
02:32:35,879 --> 02:32:39,720
Speaker 2: all the details now, but there was the kerfuffle with

3073
02:32:39,800 --> 02:32:42,520
Speaker 2: the draft where they had to redo the draft because

3074
02:32:42,600 --> 02:32:45,000
Speaker 2: nobody wanted to be picked last. Well, you know what,

3075
02:32:45,440 --> 02:32:48,560
Speaker 2: I like the East versus West. Also, while we're at it, Jason,

3076
02:32:48,920 --> 02:32:51,800
Speaker 2: bring back the All Star specific uniforms. I like those

3077
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:55,120
Speaker 2: East versus West uniforms. And I hope this comes back.

3078
02:32:55,200 --> 02:32:58,360
Speaker 2: I don't really know if it's gonna change ratings or competitiveness,

3079
02:32:58,760 --> 02:33:01,560
Speaker 2: but I am team bring back East versus West.

3080
02:33:01,600 --> 02:33:05,760
Speaker 3: Jeez, I agree. I mean, look, you don't need people's

3081
02:33:05,800 --> 02:33:08,120
Speaker 3: egos to be hurt. And it's the same thing. It

3082
02:33:08,240 --> 02:33:11,840
Speaker 3: just doesn't matter. Nobody cares. The All Star Game is

3083
02:33:11,879 --> 02:33:15,200
Speaker 3: the All Star Game. People that enjoy it enjoy it.

3084
02:33:15,320 --> 02:33:17,680
Speaker 3: We know what we're getting when we watch it. Sometimes

3085
02:33:17,760 --> 02:33:19,840
Speaker 3: you get an intriguing fourth quarter, you get a lot

3086
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:22,040
Speaker 3: of show voting, you get to see a lot of celebrities,

3087
02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:24,280
Speaker 3: you get to see guys joking around having some fun,

3088
02:33:24,760 --> 02:33:28,000
Speaker 3: you get to watch superstars, whatever. It just is what

3089
02:33:28,040 --> 02:33:30,520
Speaker 3: it is. There's no way to make it much better

3090
02:33:30,600 --> 02:33:33,120
Speaker 3: than it is. You're not gonna cancel this, not like

3091
02:33:33,120 --> 02:33:35,880
Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl. Everybody does play in it, guys, do

3092
02:33:36,160 --> 02:33:38,560
Speaker 3: you know? Like some guys like the total up stats

3093
02:33:38,560 --> 02:33:42,119
Speaker 3: in it and things like that. It's fine. It's not

3094
02:33:42,160 --> 02:33:45,800
Speaker 3: gonna attract a particularly strong audience on a regular basis.

3095
02:33:45,879 --> 02:33:50,280
Speaker 3: It's never gonna maintain anything, but there's no reason not

3096
02:33:50,400 --> 02:33:53,160
Speaker 3: to do it. It's like the way I feel about

3097
02:33:53,200 --> 02:33:56,000
Speaker 3: it is Baseball All Star Game is the best it

3098
02:33:56,080 --> 02:33:58,600
Speaker 3: always has been. I think hockey is fun. It is,

3099
02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:02,840
Speaker 3: and the skills competition is lot of fun. NBA Saturday

3100
02:34:02,920 --> 02:34:05,280
Speaker 3: Night is much more entertaining than Sunday. And then when

3101
02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:07,720
Speaker 3: the dunk contest is bad, you've really had yourself a

3102
02:34:07,720 --> 02:34:10,959
Speaker 3: bad All Star weekend. But just keep on doing it.

3103
02:34:11,000 --> 02:34:13,000
Speaker 3: But do East versus West. We don't need to have

3104
02:34:13,040 --> 02:34:16,480
Speaker 3: the draft, we don't need to have stuff. Just East

3105
02:34:16,600 --> 02:34:20,240
Speaker 3: versus West. Who makes the team, who's the best? Put

3106
02:34:20,280 --> 02:34:22,640
Speaker 3: them out there, Let's see it for forty eight minutes.

3107
02:34:22,680 --> 02:34:25,280
Speaker 3: Let's get back to the season. It's fine, It's just

3108
02:34:25,320 --> 02:34:28,520
Speaker 3: a little bit of a breather. It's a fun almost

3109
02:34:28,520 --> 02:34:30,560
Speaker 3: like the Globe Trotters kind of deal, and then we

3110
02:34:30,600 --> 02:34:32,320
Speaker 3: move on from it. I don't know that we need

3111
02:34:32,360 --> 02:34:35,320
Speaker 3: to continue to tinker with it because there's only so

3112
02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:39,360
Speaker 3: much you can do, and we know it doesn't generally matter.

3113
02:34:39,920 --> 02:34:42,760
Speaker 3: So just go out there and put on an exhibition,

3114
02:34:43,160 --> 02:34:45,840
Speaker 3: show off your league, have Shaq sing if you need to,

3115
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:48,440
Speaker 3: whatever it is, and then let's just get back to

3116
02:34:48,440 --> 02:34:51,320
Speaker 3: actually playing basketball that wins and losses matter.

3117
02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:57,200
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what good good recap there, and we

3118
02:34:57,240 --> 02:35:00,720
Speaker 2: will see what happens with the NBA All star, but

3119
02:35:00,720 --> 02:35:02,320
Speaker 2: I do want to wrap you disagree.

3120
02:35:02,360 --> 02:35:04,280
Speaker 3: I mean, seriously, there's not that much you can do

3121
02:35:04,320 --> 02:35:06,640
Speaker 3: to fix it, right, you just go keep on doing

3122
02:35:06,680 --> 02:35:08,120
Speaker 3: it if you're gonna, if you're gonna do it, this

3123
02:35:08,240 --> 02:35:10,280
Speaker 3: is just kind of what it is. It's baked into

3124
02:35:10,320 --> 02:35:11,280
Speaker 3: the cake. Let's roll on.

3125
02:35:11,840 --> 02:35:14,760
Speaker 2: I don't know how you make it more competitive. It's

3126
02:35:14,800 --> 02:35:17,160
Speaker 2: like the toothpastes out of the tube. The only thing

3127
02:35:17,160 --> 02:35:19,480
Speaker 2: I would say is, I guess they could try what

3128
02:35:19,520 --> 02:35:22,760
Speaker 2: the Major League Baseball did, which was for Baseball, was

3129
02:35:22,760 --> 02:35:25,800
Speaker 2: home field advantage throughout the World Series. You could do

3130
02:35:25,840 --> 02:35:27,520
Speaker 2: it for the NBA Finals. I don't know if the

3131
02:35:27,520 --> 02:35:29,480
Speaker 2: players would agree to it, though, that's the problem. And

3132
02:35:29,520 --> 02:35:31,640
Speaker 2: so if you don't do that, if there's not real stakes,

3133
02:35:31,680 --> 02:35:33,080
Speaker 2: I don't know how you make it competitive.

3134
02:35:33,240 --> 02:35:33,720
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.

3135
02:35:33,720 --> 02:35:37,039
Speaker 2: Before we get out of here, let's preview tomorrow's game. Chris,

3136
02:35:37,040 --> 02:35:39,480
Speaker 2: give us a little music, put us in the mood,

3137
02:35:40,120 --> 02:35:42,160
Speaker 2: and I do want to start with the big game

3138
02:35:42,240 --> 02:35:47,520
Speaker 2: tomorrow night. It is in Miami. Jason and the Boston

3139
02:35:47,520 --> 02:35:50,280
Speaker 2: Celtics are actually a slight favorite in this game, about

3140
02:35:50,280 --> 02:35:52,920
Speaker 2: a three point favorite. The game is again in Miami

3141
02:35:53,080 --> 02:35:57,240
Speaker 2: after Miami took the first two games in Boston. Do

3142
02:35:57,320 --> 02:36:00,760
Speaker 2: you think the Celtics are going to get Game three

3143
02:36:01,160 --> 02:36:04,200
Speaker 2: and get back into the series, desperate must win game

3144
02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:04,800
Speaker 2: for Boston.

3145
02:36:06,080 --> 02:36:10,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I mean, I if Miami wins, I'm

3146
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:12,600
Speaker 3: not gonna be totally surprised. But I do think that

3147
02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:15,080
Speaker 3: Boston has fight in them, and a lot of times

3148
02:36:15,120 --> 02:36:17,280
Speaker 3: they do play their best when their backs are against

3149
02:36:17,320 --> 02:36:20,039
Speaker 3: the wall, and they're certainly against the wall here. I

3150
02:36:20,200 --> 02:36:23,240
Speaker 3: just expect this is probably gonna be a night where

3151
02:36:23,240 --> 02:36:26,240
Speaker 3: you see the best Jason Tatum and the best Jaylen

3152
02:36:26,280 --> 02:36:30,800
Speaker 3: Brown and eventually Miami's not a sweep, sweep you kind

3153
02:36:30,800 --> 02:36:33,160
Speaker 3: of basketball team for the most part, So I anticipate

3154
02:36:33,200 --> 02:36:35,960
Speaker 3: this being two to one come Monday. Interesting.

3155
02:36:36,200 --> 02:36:39,360
Speaker 2: I'll actually take the opposite approach, you know, Listen, I

3156
02:36:39,360 --> 02:36:42,240
Speaker 2: thought Los Angeles is gonna bounce back, can't fall behind

3157
02:36:42,240 --> 02:36:44,840
Speaker 2: O three, and Denver was just better. I don't know

3158
02:36:44,840 --> 02:36:48,000
Speaker 2: that Miami is just better. But when you lose both

3159
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:50,840
Speaker 2: games at home, and I know Mia, Boston's been better

3160
02:36:50,879 --> 02:36:53,039
Speaker 2: on the road in these playoffs, but when you lose

3161
02:36:53,120 --> 02:36:56,280
Speaker 2: both games at home, there is a secret sauce with

3162
02:36:56,320 --> 02:36:59,720
Speaker 2: this Miami Heat team. I'm gonna take Miami to win

3163
02:36:59,800 --> 02:37:03,039
Speaker 2: Game three and put Boston on the ropes heading into

3164
02:37:03,040 --> 02:37:06,160
Speaker 2: a Game four, potentially on Thursday or Tuesday.

3165
02:37:06,160 --> 02:37:07,480
Speaker 4: Excuse me, let's keep it going.

3166
02:37:08,160 --> 02:37:12,560
Speaker 2: Game four between the Lakers and Nuggets is on Monday

3167
02:37:12,640 --> 02:37:16,800
Speaker 2: night at Crypto dot Com Arena. Lakers lose Game three,

3168
02:37:17,240 --> 02:37:22,760
Speaker 2: trail oh three. Denver can close out the Lakers Monday night.

3169
02:37:23,440 --> 02:37:26,360
Speaker 2: No line that I've seen yet for Game four. What

3170
02:37:26,400 --> 02:37:28,520
Speaker 2: do you suspect happens Monday night in Los Angeles?

3171
02:37:28,600 --> 02:37:32,440
Speaker 3: Jason, Uh, My tendency is to believe they're gonna get

3172
02:37:32,440 --> 02:37:36,560
Speaker 3: swept just because you're not coming back from three to

3173
02:37:36,680 --> 02:37:39,080
Speaker 3: zero down. It's gonna be hard. I mean, I guess

3174
02:37:39,080 --> 02:37:41,080
Speaker 3: it's a save face kind of game, but it just

3175
02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:44,080
Speaker 3: seems to me like this series is over and Denver.

3176
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:46,880
Speaker 3: Denver's a team that usually when they have a chance

3177
02:37:46,920 --> 02:37:49,040
Speaker 3: to put you out, they can put you out. So

3178
02:37:49,120 --> 02:37:52,000
Speaker 3: I'm actually gonna predict it. I think it'll be a sweep.

3179
02:37:52,040 --> 02:37:54,440
Speaker 3: I think Denver will win it four to h Wow.

3180
02:37:55,200 --> 02:37:57,200
Speaker 2: I'll actually do the opposite, and not just because I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to disagree with you, but I look at those

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Speaker 2: first two games. Either one could have been won by

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Speaker 2: the Lakers, now tonight Denver just went Denver one went

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Speaker 2: out and one all three. But I do believe that

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Speaker 2: they Denver Los Angeles could have easily won game one

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Speaker 2: or game two, and so I think the Lakers you

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Speaker 2: get something more than you got from really everybody except

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Speaker 2: for Ad Austin Reeves and Lebron today. And this was

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Speaker 2: a very close game into about the final four minutes,

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Speaker 2: and then Denver made some big shots and pulled away.

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Speaker 2: I will take Denver to win Game four, but Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles to win Game four, but I believe Denver will

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Speaker 2: close it out before we're back on air next Saturday.

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Speaker 2: I think that's it, Jason. Nothing else really on the

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Speaker 2: calendar this week except for NBA playoffs. I'm trying to think.

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Speaker 2: I have no NHL.

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Speaker 3: I'm in a PGA championship.

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Speaker 4: Oh who you got? You're the golf guy?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean keep get blew it. At the Masters.

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Speaker 3: He has an opportunity to fix that and actually finish

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Speaker 3: the job here. He wasn't at the top of the

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Speaker 3: leaderboard entering round three. He usually cruises at this point.

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Speaker 3: This is usually the tournament he wins, but a lot

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Speaker 3: more pressure of being live and being in a PGA event.

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Speaker 3: He became a real villain at Augusta. In day four,

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Speaker 3: everybody was cheering on John Rahm could see the same thing.

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Speaker 3: But I like it when I see Koepka at the

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Speaker 3: top of a leaderboard. I like his chances. I'll stick

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Speaker 3: with him.

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Speaker 2: I'll take Bruce Keopka because I trust your judgment on

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Speaker 2: golf and I know nothing about golf.

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Speaker 4: So it's time for us to get out of here.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank the crew producer Pat Steve Disager

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Speaker 2: on the updates, Chris Purfett form my partner Jason Martin.

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Speaker 4: I'm Aaron Torres. Make sure to download the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next, Bertie Fratto of The Bertie Fratto Show,

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports.

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Speaker 3: Are you