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All right, 16 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: you want some spice, I'm gonna give you some spice 17 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: right out of the break here. We're gonna have some 18 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: fun with the view But I had them. I was 19 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: trying to pay attention to the Supreme Court argument on 20 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: racial jerrymandering that is happening today because I think it 21 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: has the potential to be incredibly consequential transformative to the 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: political process in the country. And let me give you 23 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: a one minute take on exactly what is at stake. Historically, 24 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: black voters were suppressed from the polls prior to the 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: civil rights movement in the South. That is not a 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: historical fallacy, that is in fact historical truth. As a result, 27 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: there was an entire line of jurisprudence dealing with voting 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: rights that were trying to rectify the wrong of majority 29 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: black voters in the South who were being restricted in many. 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 3: Ways from poll access. 31 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: Therefore they did not have a substantial say in the 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: Democrat process in many Southern states. 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 3: That was wrong. 34 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: That was before Buck and I were born, a long 35 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: time before Buck was born, quite some time before I 36 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: was born, since he is much younger than me. But 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: so that process, unfortunately now has polluted the the court 38 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: rulings of the Supreme Court because we no longer even 39 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: though Democrats would like it to be the case, live 40 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: in a world that is like nineteen sixty five or 41 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight or nineteen forty eight, or whatever year 42 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: you want to go to in the South, when black 43 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: voters did not have the ability to get to the 44 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: polls and vote for their preferred candidates. So they put 45 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: in place this review of the voting process through the 46 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: civil rights laws. Now what you are seeing is that 47 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: those precedents are actually extremely racist because they are predicated 48 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: on the idea that black voters sort of monolithically and 49 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: uniformly vote a certain way, and that is starting to crumble. 50 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: And it also creates the Civil Rights era court decisions 51 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: create tension with the equal protection clause that tries to 52 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: treat everyone equally and does not allow race to be 53 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: determined if as a factor. So we have talked about 54 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: this quite a lot already in the court system as 55 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: it pertains to affirmative action, which the courts have ruled. 56 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: Was I correct that John Roberts is the one who 57 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: said the way to stop discriminating based on race is 58 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: by stopping to discriminate based on race? Do we get 59 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: a fact check on that? I believe I'm correct. So 60 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: we have seen in the world of colleges and universities 61 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: the idea of your race as a dispositive factor when 62 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: it comes to your admission is not actually permissible. 63 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: Under our constitution. 64 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: And so there are still lots of ways that colleges 65 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: and universities are trying to trick their way through that process. 66 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: But it is not permissible to strictly have quotas racial analysis. 67 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: All of that, okay. With that as a background, they 68 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: now today are hearing an argument about that tension between 69 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: the Civil Rights era precedents where race is allowed to 70 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: be a predominant factor in the in the jerrymandering of 71 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: congressional districts, and that tension with the equal rights component 72 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: equal protection clause of our amendments in the post Civil 73 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: War era. That gets the Sixteenth Amendment. I've been a 74 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: while since I passed the bar. How do you reconcile that? 75 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: I think the Supreme Court is going to say racial 76 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: jerrymandering is no longer allowed. I think it is the 77 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: right decision. I think it is the appropriate decision. People 78 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: on the left are up in arms about this. You're 79 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,119 Speaker 1: going to hear a lot about it. And Katanji Brown 80 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: Jackson demonstrated and the futility of that argument. By making 81 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: that argument, I had them pull it to try to 82 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: argue in favor of racism. 83 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 3: To combat racism. Here's what she said. 84 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 4: A kind of paradigmatic example of this is something like 85 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 4: the ADA Congress passed the Americans with Disabilities Act against 86 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 4: the back drop of a world that was generally not 87 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 4: accessible to people with disabilities. And so it was discriminatory 88 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 4: in effect, because these folks were not able to access 89 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 4: these buildings, and it didn't matter whether the person who 90 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 4: built the building or the person who owned the building 91 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: intended for them to be exclusionary. That's irrelevant. Congress said, 92 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 4: the facilities have to be made equally open to people 93 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 4: with disabilities, if readily possible. I guess I don't understand 94 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 4: why that's not what's happening here. The idea in section 95 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: two is that we are responding to current day manifestations 96 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 4: of past and present decisions that disadvantage minorities and make 97 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 4: it so that they don't have equal access to the 98 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 4: voting system. Right, they're disabled. 99 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: Okay, So what she analogized there, and I understand we're 100 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: going into the weeds a little bit, is she's saying 101 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: black voters are the equivalent of disabled people in that 102 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: they have to be constantly considered because they are unable 103 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: to vote as others would be able to vote, just 104 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: as disabled people are unable to access. Now, this is 105 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: an incredibly strained and poor analogy by her, and I 106 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: think it's actually evidence that she is Frankly, I'm not 107 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: sure qualified in any way to be a Supreme Court justice. 108 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: I don't think that around these accents. Yeah, I don't 109 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: think Katanji Brown Jackson is in the top half of 110 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: intelligent lawyers in America. And this is what happens when 111 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: you say I'm only going to pick someone based on 112 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: their race and gender, which is what Joe Biden did 113 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: with her, And then I don't think he picked the 114 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: smartest black woman who is a lawyer in America to 115 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: be his representative of black women, but in so doing 116 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: he excluded ninety five percent of a Manmerricans. In fact, 117 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: I would argue that the way that Joe Biden selected. 118 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: Katanji Brown Jackson. 119 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: Actually violates all of the precepts of the Constitution that 120 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: she now is trying to argue should be continued to 121 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: be in effect. In other words, she is the quintessential 122 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: DEI candidate, and she much likes Soudi mayor. I think 123 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: regularly when they ask questions, evinces a very poor comprehension 124 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: of the law that is not in any way a 125 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: strong left wing tenant. There are lots of people Kagan 126 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: buck Kagan's really smart. I don't agree with everything that 127 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: most of what Elena Kagan says in her opinions. But 128 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: she is of the left, and she is a very 129 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: smart person of the left. I do not think Soda 130 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: Mayor and Katanji Brown Jackson are even eloquent advocates of 131 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: the positions the left would like to put out there, 132 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: and this I think is evidence of that with her 133 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: line of questioning, Well, yeah, I'm a Ruth badergan Burg. 134 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: I disagreed with strenuously on a whole range of things. 135 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: But she understood the arguments. She knew what the arguments 136 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: on both sides were. I just don't agree with her analysis. 137 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: And you know, without getting into the specifics, I think 138 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: Katanji Brown Jackson doesn't even understand the argument on the side. Honestly, 139 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: that's my just listening to her talk about these things. 140 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: She doesn't get it. 141 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: But you know, on the one hand, this is one 142 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: of these it's very complicated. It's a VRA section two, 143 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: it's a history. 144 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: And I understand people's eyes roll back into their head. 145 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 2: Yes, it's very complicated comma, but actually very simple. Right 146 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: there's you're doing the the complicated legal analysis side of this. 147 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 2: Clay gets excited about the law stuff. It's like we're 148 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: back in law school professors walking around. 149 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 3: He's just Travis. 150 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: Mister Travis, did you do the reading last night? And 151 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: you know Clay's doing his thing. You always did the reading, Clay, 152 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: We know you did. I love reading assignments. 153 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: So there's that part of it. But then there's this 154 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: part of it. 155 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 2: We just need to live in a country where we 156 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: don't have racial set asides and entitlements for anybody at all, period, 157 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: full stop. And if there was ever a time where 158 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: we had to make those arguments because of previous discrimination, 159 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 2: or rather we made those concessions because we thought it 160 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: would make things better. Now we've reached a point where 161 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: everybody should understand that that was a effectively temporary emergency 162 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: measure and should no longer be the case. We should 163 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: not have racial entitlements masquerading as civil rights protections. And 164 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: that is what this is. If a state is allowed, 165 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: if the people in a state are allowed to redistrict 166 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: however they see fit, really because it's left to the states. 167 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: But here's the problem. 168 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: It's almost like drawing the borders of a country. What 169 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: justifies the borders of a country? You know, it's a 170 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 2: complicated thing, but really it's lines on a map. And 171 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: they fight over it and whatever, but there's not some 172 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: more like the border between the US and Canada is 173 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: not a moral question, it's a political question. That's one 174 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,359 Speaker 2: that we have solved with our northern neighbors. The borders 175 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: of congressional districts in various states are left through the 176 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 2: processes and the legislators in those states, and everybody should 177 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: just be playing by the same rules within that state. 178 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: There shouldn't be a oh, we don't have enough black 179 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: majority districts in this state, so therefore this map is 180 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: unfair because it is an equal protection clause violation. Because 181 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: a lot of Republicans sit there and say, hold on 182 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: a second, my vote has been nullified effectively by the 183 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: state legislature. So why isn't it Why is that okay? 184 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 2: But overwhelmingly Democrat black voters in a lot of these 185 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: states get to have a special protection. No, I'm sorry. 186 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: We either all live by the same rules or we don't. 187 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: The complex distilled down to the simple, I rest my case, 188 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: counselor I think you're right, and I think that's where 189 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: we're headed. Let me add on a couple of layers 190 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: here that are hopefully not super legal. NERD esque problem 191 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: here was one that should and needed to be redressed. 192 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 3: Right. 193 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: The problem is the problem is fixed. It no longer exists, 194 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: and so the precedent that made sense in nineteen sixty 195 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: five doesn't make sense in twenty twenty five. I would 196 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: also point this out. It is predicated on the idea 197 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: that black voters are monolithic in the way that they vote. 198 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: That is increasingly not the case. This is why I 199 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: think it's significant that Donald Trump got twenty one percent 200 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: of Black men of their vote in twenty twenty four. 201 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: One in five black guys said Trump's my guy. A 202 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: lot of black guys are listening to us right now 203 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: that are a part of that team, and it's growing, 204 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: and there are more some of you guys out there. 205 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: You used to never be able to find another Black Republican. 206 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: Now one in five. I mean, I bet you're finding 207 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: a lot more people that are open to your arguments. 208 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: Black women too. This has been applied Buck for Hispanic voters. 209 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: Hispanic voters are basically now fifty fifty. They're much more 210 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: similar to white voters or Asian voters, where you don't 211 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: have a strong sense of how somebody's going to vote 212 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: based on their race and gender. If you see a 213 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: white guy, now, somebody see a white chick where in 214 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: the Rachel Maddow specs, you probably got a pretty good chance. 215 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: Hey, that's a lib. But by and. 216 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: Large, you see a white person, they could be conservative, 217 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: they could be liberal, they could be they don't care 218 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: about politics at all. Same thing as increasingly becoming true 219 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: of Hispanic voters. As you know because you live in Miami, Buck, 220 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: there's also a huge difference between a Cuban voter and 221 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: a recent immigrant from Mexico or Venezuela or The Hispanic 222 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: voting block is actually very diverse depending on where that 223 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: Hispanic voter is from. The monolithic nature of black support 224 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: for the Democrat Party is crumbling. In times like these, 225 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: they trot out someone like Katanji Brown Jackson to argue 226 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: not based on the law, but oh my goodness, based 227 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: on the result of this case, it would be harmful 228 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: politically to Democrats. And that is why she is a 229 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: political actor more than she is a judge. And that 230 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: is unfortunate. 231 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: One of the arguments we make here, and this goes 232 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: to disparate impact, which is I think a inherently incorrect 233 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 2: legal philosophy of well, if the end result isn't the 234 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: same among arbitrary distinctions that we're going to make between people, 235 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: then there's something wrong with that law. If the law 236 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: is universally applicable and everybody has to live under it, 237 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: the outcome of that law does, and then the law 238 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: is ethical and moral. The outcome of that law does 239 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: not matter. 240 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 3: To me a meaning. 241 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 2: And this is where we get into there is a 242 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 2: disparate impact. I know you love this argument, but saying 243 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: this for a long time, Clay, there's a disparate impact 244 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: between men and women and homicides. That doesn't mean that 245 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: homicide laws are bad. It just means that more men 246 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: kill people. And that doesn't mean they're sexist in particular. Right, 247 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that men are being targeted by homicide 248 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 2: laws because men happen to be impacted by them. 249 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 3: More So. 250 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: The fact of the matter is, if we're going to 251 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: have a society where we don't have racial entitlements, we 252 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: have to remove racial entitlements, including holdovers from the Civil 253 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: rights era, like Section two of the Voting Rights Act. 254 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: And Clay, you were correct. 255 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: It was John Roberts for the win On to stop 256 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: discriminating by race stop discriminating by race. 257 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 3: It's pretty good. 258 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: Alito is my favorite, so I thought it was going 259 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: to be an Alito move, but it was actually Roberts. 260 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 3: So good on you. Probably the best sentence of John 261 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 3: Roberts's career. 262 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race 263 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: is to stop discriminating on the basis of race. I 264 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: don't understand how that same logic does not govern when 265 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: it comes to analyzing racial jerrymandering. And I hope John 266 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: Roberts will apply the same principle in this case as 267 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: he did in the decision having to do basically with 268 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: whether or not they're can be affirmative action in schools. 269 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: So that is going to be a huge decision. 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He wants to weigh 310 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 2: in on choking. 311 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 3: Okay, stop, yeah, okay. I was wondering if Buck might 312 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 3: agree with your assertion about choking if it was Polish 313 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 3: sausage related. Look at him bringing it all together there. Okay, 314 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 3: this is. 315 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: Gosh is impressive. This is impressive. Yeah, you know, I 316 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: will tell you some infinity for Holish sausages. You, of 317 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: all people have to be concerned about. 318 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: Choking Well, I was gonna say sausage is a choking risk. 319 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 3: This is true. 320 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: It's hot dogs actually, Cause look this up before you 321 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 2: are snickering out there. 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Almost spit out my coffee with your remark about. 351 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 3: The danger of women. 352 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: Maybe in thank goodness, I was only drinking coffee, not 353 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: eating the sausage. You have only yourself to blame, Foster, 354 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: so appreciate Pamela. I'm glad that she is still alive. 355 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: And there are there are a lot of reactions rolling 356 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: in and we are having a great deal of fun. 357 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,959 Speaker 3: Time tell everybody, take your time, cheer your food. It's 358 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 3: very straightforward. Okay, let's go the view. This is fun. 359 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: Okay, So those of you who follow us on social 360 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: media as you all should be doing. You can find 361 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: us at YouTube. You can find us at Twitter, Instagram, TikTok. 362 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a social media platform we're not on. 363 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: Know that we have had a lot of fun with 364 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: the View over the years. And we just shared from 365 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: producer Ali and producer Ali you can come up if 366 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: you want and tell the full story here. But a 367 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: while back, Ali said, Hey, we'll invite you will tell 368 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: the View people, Hey, Clay and Buck are happy to 369 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: come on the show. So in July and I just 370 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: shared this email from Ali to the View and I 371 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: will read it for all of you. This is a 372 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: producer at the View, Hi LORI can conservative radio host 373 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck would like to pitch themselves as guests 374 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: on the View. They often play clips from the program 375 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: on their nationally syndicated radio show Granted as a means 376 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: to refute them, and thought a sit down would be 377 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: productive for both audiences since they come from two completely 378 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: different perspectives. Buck lives in Miami and Clay lives in Nashville, 379 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: but they'd be willing to travel to New York. Thank 380 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: you for the consideration. This went out in July now 381 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: I'm going to pull Alli up in a sec. But first, 382 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: here is Joy Behar saying, you know, the truth of 383 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: the matter is Republicans won't come on the show. 384 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: They're afraid to listen. 385 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 5: I think that we should have more Republicans on the show, 386 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 5: but they don't want to come on. 387 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 6: They're scared of us. 388 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 4: It's like Marjorie's Hyley Green says that she finds the 389 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 4: Republican men afraid of powerful women. 390 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 3: Well, that's maybe true of all the political persuasions. But 391 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 3: if they would come on this show and they can 392 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 3: explain to us what they're trying to do to this. 393 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: Can we Okay, I don't think Bucket Eye are afraid 394 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: of powerful women. 395 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: Challenge accepted, Chile accepted. 396 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: All right, Producer, Ali, you have now written another email 397 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: to the View reiterating you can come up. But the 398 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: email that I read you sent in July was their 399 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: a response to that email from the View. 400 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 7: Yes, actually there was a quick response, very quick, saying 401 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 7: they only had two more episodes to shoot, so their 402 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 7: schedule was full and they wouldn't be back until the fall, 403 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 7: at which point I said, Okay, I'll follow up in 404 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 7: the fall, and I followed up today and I have 405 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 7: I'm waiting to hear back. 406 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 3: And you said this is important. We're happy to do it. 407 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 3: This is important. 408 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: The View, according to groc, has frequently had two guests 409 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 2: on simultaneously, two guests including politicians, authors, actors, and even 410 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: musical guests who are there as a duo. So I 411 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: just want to be clear, there is no reason why 412 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: they could not have a clay and buckethon on the 413 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 2: View based on the established parameters they have for guests 414 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 2: in the past, because I don't I don't want them 415 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: throwing that at us either. We can because if what 416 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: they'll try to do, if it's just one of us, 417 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 2: they're going to try to overtalk and just have too 418 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: many voices shouting at you at the same time. 419 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 7: Just make sure you bring that third hat. Oh. 420 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: I would bring a hat for Alyssa Farr Griffin and 421 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: I would hand it to her and I would say, hey, 422 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: since Trump's brought back to hostages, here is a red 423 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: Maga hat. You can put that on for this entire 424 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: segment to honor President Trump's great job in bringing back 425 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: the hostages. 426 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you something. I think that she actually 427 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: would be willing to wear the hat. I think that 428 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 2: she worries that if she wore that hat it would 429 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 2: trigger other members of the table too much, like they 430 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 2: would even though she said this was the marker that 431 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: she laid out there, I think she realizes that the 432 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 2: rest of the table would throw a fit about it. 433 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: They would. 434 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: They have no they have no sense of humor about 435 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: it at all. Joy Bahar has a writing team. They 436 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 2: write all of her jokes. She's actually not that funny. 437 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: She's not coming up with this stuff on the fly. 438 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: If you watch her closely now I'm throwing down the 439 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 2: gomble a little bit. You watch her closely, she's trying 440 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: to find ways to get in lines that have been 441 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: written by her writers. I will give this doesn't happen 442 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 2: very often. She does look great for her age, though, 443 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: to be fair, Joy, you look great. I'm just saying. 444 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: Also, she is probably not aware of most of the guests, 445 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: so she may think to herself when she says Republicans 446 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: are afraid to go on the show, because, to be fair, 447 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: people pitch themselves on this show all the time. I mean, 448 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: producer Ali, you can say, like, if people out there like, 449 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: is this a common thing? I mean, we get pitches, 450 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: hundreds of pitches a year, maybe thousands, dozens a day 451 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: of people who are saying, hey, we'd like to come 452 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: on as a guest. So and most of them we 453 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: never Bucket, Neither Buck nor I are going and saying 454 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: we can't have this person on. So I don't necessarily 455 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: know that Joy is aware of the number of people 456 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: who are reaching out that would be willing to come on. 457 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 3: So when she's saying that she may. 458 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: Actually believe Buck that she's being truthful, she is not, however, 459 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: and we just you know, we shared the so called 460 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: receipts of the invitation that we put out there. 461 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 3: Hey, we're happy to come on. 462 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, we would have Alyssa 463 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: on this show, you know, if they wanted to put 464 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: a view member on this show to promote their show. 465 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we're not running and hiding from any of that. 466 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: Speaking of running and hiding, though, Buck, you were talking 467 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: about this a little bit earlier, and we got a 468 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: couple of guests, by the way, coming in the third hour, 469 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: our buddy Ryan Gardusky. We're going to talk about the 470 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: absolute latest on Virginia, New York City, and New Jersey. 471 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 3: As those elections get closer. 472 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: Steve Hilton out in California to talk about the Katie 473 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: Porter insanity and the potential run there. I wanted to 474 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: play this because this is one of the people that 475 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: that is running to be a Democrat nominee for California 476 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: when Gavin Newsom is forced to term limit himself out. 477 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: And she went on Piers Morgan and the LA is 478 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: going to have the Olympics in twenty twenty eight. The 479 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: Summer Olympics are taking place in Los Angeles. Should be awesome, 480 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: be a lot of fun to watch. But Piers Morgan 481 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: ask this Democrat California governor's candidate, Hey, what do you 482 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: think about the idea of trans women, that is, men 483 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: pretending to be women being able to compete in the Olympics. 484 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: And he followed up and I just want to play 485 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: a cut from this because these people have lost their 486 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: minds and they're totally trapped on this trans argument. 487 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 6: Listen, this seems to me like you would like to 488 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 6: remove any any sexual differentation between the Olympic sports. I 489 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 6: let them all compete, it would be gender neutral with 490 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 6: it if you were a governor. 491 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 5: Well, again, I want to be sure that everyone has 492 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 5: the ability to compete. 493 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 6: Would you have a gender neutral Olympics where you would 494 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 6: have not you wouldn't have male and female sport, then 495 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 6: you just have one one that everyone could join in. 496 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 5: Well, I don't think we're going to get that tomorrow, 497 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 5: but I think it's a conversation worth having. 498 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 6: You think it's a conversation worth having where you have 499 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 6: gender neutral Olympics. 500 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 5: Because we need to understand what the attributes are of 501 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 5: athletes across the spectrum. 502 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 6: You've already said that you understand the reason they separate 503 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 6: the sexes is that men have a physical advantage over women. 504 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: He also, then maybe we can grab this because I 505 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: think it really kind of brings it home. He says, Wait, 506 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: you think that a woman should run against Usain Bolt 507 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: in the one hundred meters, the fastest man in the 508 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: history of the world, and you think that's going to 509 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: be a fair competition, And basically she says yes, she 510 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: doesn't know. Maybe the woman would win. These people are crazy, buck, 511 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know how they get off of this 512 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: crazy train without having the Supreme Court. I think your 513 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: argument that you've already hit that that's what it is. 514 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 2: It's well, by the way, there is there are a 515 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: few things that are making their way toward the Supreme 516 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: Court right now. In fact, there is litigation out of 517 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: I think it's in Colorado. 518 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 3: The case is little the. 519 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: Het Coocks, maybe heacocks, but it's a transgender student who 520 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 2: wanted to be on the girls cross country team and 521 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: this and brought suit back in twenty twenty. Really at 522 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 2: the peak of this, yeah, I wanted to join. Oh yeah, 523 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: this is no it's Idaho that I say Colorado, Sorry, Idaho, Idaho, 524 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 2: Boise State. 525 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 3: So it's college. 526 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: It's college level and wanted to be on the women's 527 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 2: college cross country team. Sued, sued, and a Ninth Circuit 528 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: judge ended up getting involved in this and now it's low. 529 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: Without getting too deep into the weeds on this, the 530 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: situation is that the original plaintiff is trying to try 531 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: to withdraw his case as a her try to withdraw 532 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: the case Clay because they don't want the Supreme Court 533 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 2: to actually take this up. And a federal judge just today, 534 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: Judge Nye, who is a Trump appointee, said oh, no, 535 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: you're not doing this. You know, hide the football situation here. 536 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: You wanted to bring a federal lawsuit about, you know, discrimination, 537 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 2: saying that you're actually to be treated as a woman. 538 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: We're taking we're taking this thing on, like let's go. 539 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 2: And now that looks like the Supreme Court is eventually 540 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: going to be taking this up, and I think they're 541 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: going to have to weigh in on no men or 542 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: men and women are women and we're allowed to make 543 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 2: different decisions about the two in law as a matter 544 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: of law. 545 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: There is a gonna give him credit here, great long 546 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: form piece in the New York Times recently looking at 547 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: the Scurmetti case. Jonathan Skermmet is the Attorney General of 548 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: the state of Tennessee. The Supreme Court came out and 549 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: said that the state can restrict this so called gender 550 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: affirming care for miners, that there is a state interest, 551 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: and the trans community is in a panic because they 552 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: thought that they were going to be able to win 553 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: these cases, basically that the trans treatments and all this 554 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: stuff on miners is actually okay, and instead they're losing. 555 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: And what you just pointed out as an important point, 556 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: they're now trying to avoid giving the Supreme Court an 557 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: opportunity to strike down a lot of the state laws. 558 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: And so they're trying to pull back now because they're like, 559 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, the same logic of Scurmetti is certainly 560 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: going to apply in sports. 561 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 3: Right. 562 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 2: The transactivists don't want their day in court all of 563 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: a sudden, Yes, isn't that so interesting to see? 564 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 3: They want to rely and this goes into the Weeds book. 565 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: They want to rely on like the Ninth Circuit and 566 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: some of the liberal circuit courts without having to get 567 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: a nation WI so that in California and Oregon and Washington, 568 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: the crazy arguments can prevail instead of the Supreme Court 569 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: slapping it down. So I'm very familiar with this tactic, Clay, 570 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: because as a longtime New York City and New York 571 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: State resident, particularly on the New York City side, this 572 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: is the game they used to play all the time. 573 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: They would they did flatly unconstitutional things when it came 574 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: to firearms, and then the moment somebody brought legislation, they 575 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: would change it, and then they would do something else 576 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: flatly on conf you know, five hundred dollars fee to 577 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: be a con to be not a concealed carrier, to 578 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: be a premise permit holder. They would just use the 579 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: system in bad faith to do things that they knew 580 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: were unconstitutional, and instead of actually find and allowing the 581 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: system to then say no, you're disrespecting the rights, the 582 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: two way rights of people in New York. 583 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: City, they would pull it and then it's moot, and 584 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 2: they would argue it's moot. That's what this trans athlete 585 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: in Idaho is trying to do. And this, thank Heavens, 586 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 2: the Trump appoint has said no, no, no, you brought it. Now, 587 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: we're gonna finish it. We're gonna do We're gonna see where. 588 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 3: This actually goes. Yeah, and it's not going to go 589 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 3: a good place for all these people. 590 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: But I mean, this woman is trying to become the 591 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: Democrat nominee for California, and her argument is we don't 592 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: really know whether men are faster than women or not. 593 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: To put this into context for you, buck, every single 594 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: state high school champion in Texas last year for track 595 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 1: and field, every single boy these are you know, eighteen 596 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: and younger boys, fifteen to eighteen year old boys. Every 597 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: single Texas state champion ran faster speeds than the fastest 598 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: women in the history of the Olympics. So we're not 599 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: even talking about I think Florence Griffith's Joiner Flow Joe 600 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: is still the fastest woman of all time. Every Texas 601 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: high school state champion at all district levels smoked flow Joe. 602 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: So we're not even talking about men versus women on 603 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: the best men in the world. We're talking about the 604 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: state of Texas by itself. 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We'll also talk to Steve 635 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 2: Hilton about California, the plans of Gavin Newsom, the failures 636 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 2: of Gavin. 637 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 3: Newsom on policy, and so much more. 638 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 7: So. 639 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: We've got a big, a big hour that will be 640 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 2: coming your way. I want to tell you to drink 641 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 2: some Crocket coffee, everybody, don't forget subscribe. Great thing to 642 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 2: get into, especially as it gets a little colder in 643 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: parts of the country. You get that hot Crocket coffee 644 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 2: going through in the morning. 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I'm not sure to go 655 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 2: to Google with that one, to go to Amazon. 656 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 3: First, and. 657 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I think you guys will enjoy it. 658 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: By the way, producer Greg grabbed that clip, which again 659 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: I think I give credit to media that now are 660 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: pushing past the opening question because what it eventually leads to, 661 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: if you have a genderless Olympics, then you have to 662 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: believe that a woman could beat Usain Bolt in one 663 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: hundred meter race. And that's exactly where Piers Morgan went. 664 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: This is one of the candidates to be the California 665 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: Democrat nominee. Listen to this actual conversation. 666 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 5: I think you can see female athletes where particularly on 667 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 5: track and field where agility is possibly hang. 668 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 6: On, are you suggesting that women so hang on? Do 669 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 6: you think that women could could compete against men in 670 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 6: track and field, like in one hundred meters, two hundred meters, 671 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 6: ten thousand meters. 672 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 5: D Perhaps you know I'm not a sports expert. 673 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 3: Of course I couldn't. 674 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 6: Have you seen the Have you seen the times that 675 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 6: women and men record in the Olympics for all track 676 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 6: and field events? Have you watched Usain Bolt when he 677 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 6: smashed the world record for one hundred meters? Yes? 678 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 3: Yes, So you think women could run. 679 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 6: Against Usain Bolt, for example, at his peak and that 680 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 6: would be fair? 681 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 5: I think. Look, I'm just going to say this, there's 682 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 5: a lot of misinformation about the ability of transgender wasn't 683 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 5: my question? 684 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: So I mean again, you have to call these people 685 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: out on the absurdity, to really put them on the 686 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: carpet here, what is more trouble and Clay if this 687 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: woman that Peers is talking to, who wants. 688 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 2: To be obviously a powerful person in California, if she 689 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 2: believed this, or if she knows it's a lion, says this, 690 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 2: which is worse. The second because you're a moron if 691 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 2: you believe it, but at least you're being honest in 692 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: your belief. It doesn't mean that you should be better 693 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 2: to be a moron, better to be honest, more on 694 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 2: than intentional liar. 695 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 3: I think. 696 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: Now that's a tough that's a tough balance, and some 697 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: of you are going to say, Clay, you're both. We'll 698 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: take some of those talkbacks, but yeah, I think this 699 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: woman's more moron than intentional liar. You guys may disagree 700 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: more with us next week.