1 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Pete State Speaker Series on the Road in Chapel Hill. Coach, 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: this is one I've waited on. Coach Mac Brown joins us, 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: and unlike some of the stops we've made, we've talked 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: to some younger coaches, maybe coaches at new programs. You've 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: been here a while and you've got a lifetime in 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: the sport, which translates to you can kind of say 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: whatever you want to and you don't have someone slapping 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: you on the wrist constantly. So I am very interested 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: to talk with you about a whole lot. 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: Of stuff that's going on right now. 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: And you and I were just talking before we started rolling, 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: so we might as well start here. On one hand, 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: you've got guys like you who have seen several iterations 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: of the sport and you've lived through several iterations as 15 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: a coach. And then there are guys who just became 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: head coaches in the last three or four years, and 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: yet this last three or four years there's probably been 18 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: more change than at any point in the history of. 19 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: Even your career. 20 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: So what do you think is tougher try and trying 21 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: to adapt and evolve at your stage or being on 22 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: the ground floor and brand new to the business, like 23 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: some of them are. 24 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 3: Well, Josh, first, let me say welcome and thank you 25 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: for all you do for our sports. You work so 26 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: hard to get the right answers and ask the hard questions, 27 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 3: and I like that that's what we need right now. 28 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: And I appreciate you going and asking these questions at 29 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: different places because it's stuff that needs to be answered. 30 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: I was graping about COVID when I was sitting here, 31 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: because nobody ever had COVID before in sports. And I'm 32 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 3: sitting here and I'm saying that we couldn't see our players, 33 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: we couldn't practice, I didn't know if we were going 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: to play in the season. And I'd just gotten out 35 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: of TV and I asked my wife's Sally, I said, 36 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: what are we doing? 37 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 4: What am I doing? 38 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: I'm not coaching, I'm. 39 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 4: Just sitting here. 40 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: She said, maybe you're supposed to be helpful at a 41 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: time where everybody's wondering what to do. Maybe you're supposed 42 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: to figure it out. Maybe you're supposed to help your 43 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 3: kids get through it. Maybe you're supposed to help your 44 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: sport get through it. And she said, in the one 45 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: ones that handle COVID, the best are going to be 46 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 3: the ones that win, So you can either gripe about 47 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: it or you can be part of the solution. I 48 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 3: feel the same way now. I feel very fortunate to 49 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: be fifty years in this business. I love the sport. 50 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 3: People say, why do you still coach at seventy two. 51 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 3: I love the kids. I love the sport. I get 52 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: mad at this, and I get mad at this, and 53 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 3: then when I go to eat lunch with the kids, 54 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: I say, I. 55 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 4: Melt. 56 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: They got me because how many people in their life 57 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: can have a purpose to help change kids' lives. And 58 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 3: I get to do that every day, and I got 59 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty of them. So I am so blessed. 60 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: I love football. My brother was a football coach. My granddad, 61 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 3: my dad were football coaches. That's all we've done in 62 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: our whole lives. So this sport is really really important 63 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: to me. So I would say it's more own guys 64 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 3: like me who have been head coaches thirty six years 65 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: and for fifty years to try to help some of 66 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: the young ones that this is new for them. It's 67 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 3: different for them, probably tough for them when I started, 68 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: because you got a whole lot more things to deal 69 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: with so I think it's an advantage to someone like 70 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: me who's seen it all but can help find the 71 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: solutions a little bit easier and faster than others. As 72 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: long as you don't get frustrated, It doesn't do any 73 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 3: good to be mad about it. It doesn't do any 74 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: griping about something. Just waste air, waste your time. It 75 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: wastes your energy, and we have to be careful when 76 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: you get off on that tangent. It doesn't do any good. 77 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: And I heard when I was a very young coach, 78 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: Vince Dooley was coaching in the Gator Bowl, his last 79 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: game against Michigan State, and he just won two hundred games, 80 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: and they said at halftime, what is your advice to 81 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: young head coaches? And I was a very young head coach, 82 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: and he said, You're gonna have to take crisis and 83 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: tournament of positives, because you're going to have crisis as 84 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: a head coach. And unless you if you're going to 85 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: grape about the crisis and worry about the crisis instead 86 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: of fixing them and making them positive, you're not going 87 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: to make it. 88 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 4: So my whole life. 89 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: When somebody comes in with something tough, I said, got 90 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: to fix it right. Now. We've got some issues because 91 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 3: we made some decisions at a high level without looking 92 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: at the consequences. Who knows what was in that room 93 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 3: the day they made those decisions. Maybe it was Congress, 94 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: maybe it was politics, Maybe it was lack of knowledge. 95 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 4: I don't know. 96 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 3: At one point, football coaches became athletic directors, and then 97 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 3: football coaches would be really involved in the decision making process. 98 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 3: Grant Taff was one of the best at the American 99 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: Football Coach Association. I was fortunate enough to be on 100 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 3: his board. Then I was fortunate enough to be the president. 101 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: We got things done that were best for the sport, 102 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: and the nca A was all in. If we got 103 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 3: a unanimous vote from the coaches, they were all in. 104 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: So now we've got to get a lot of smart 105 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 3: people together in a room, and we've got to do 106 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 3: it quickly, and we've got to got we've got to 107 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: start making decisions that are best for everybody, and we've 108 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: got to put some common sense back in it. Josh, 109 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 3: we've got players have never had it any better because 110 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: they're getting paid. That's a good thing, but we should 111 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: have guidelines because there's too much pressure on them about 112 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 3: how much is this one getting paid? We have no transparency. 113 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: Nobody knows who's really getting paid, so everybody thinks everybody's 114 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 3: getting paid. I'll have a player come up and said, 115 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: I can't believe you're paying him this, and I said. 116 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 4: They're not. I'm not, They're really not. 117 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: Uh So we need some transparency, we need a plan, 118 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: we need some guidelines. We're headed toward an NFL model 119 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: and I got that, and they've they've got a great model, 120 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: and we don't have a model. We're no longer into amateurism. 121 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: Eyes are being paid. The transfer portal went from you 122 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: can transfer anywhere anytime you won't. You can't can't transfer anywhere. 123 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 3: We went through that with Taiz Walker this year to now, yeah, 124 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 3: you can go back and transfer anytime you won't. So 125 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 3: let's get a plan. Let's let's get a plan that's 126 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: productive for everybody, and let's make it work instead of 127 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 3: just griping about every little thing everybody says. I went 128 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 3: to a Nike meeting three weeks ago, a month ago, 129 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 3: and a lot of US head coaches were sitting there, 130 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: and the Nike executive walked in. The first thing he says, 131 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 3: college football has never been a better place. And I thought, hmmm, 132 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: and he. 133 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 4: Said, it is great. 134 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 3: More people watching it, more money coming in, more talk 135 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: about realignment, playoffs are going to be better than ever 136 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 3: College football is better than it's ever been. And I thought, 137 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: you know what, he's right. 138 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 4: He is right. 139 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 3: Then he said, now we've got some things we need 140 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 3: to clean up, but all of us do in our lives. 141 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: But let's don't take all the positives and let the 142 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: negatives override the positives. Let's clean up our mess and 143 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: make sure that we're doing what's best for our sport, 144 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: which includes our fans, our universities, our kids, and our parents. 145 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: We can't just throw those people out. We've got to 146 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: look at everybody and what's best for everybody because everybody's 147 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: involved in the sport. 148 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: I'll ask you this question. 149 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: We've been talking about it a lot on our show 150 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: because a fan asked me. He said, what is it 151 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: you specifically love about college footballf you get a drill down, 152 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: tell me what it is you think is great about it. 153 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: So I said, the spirit of the game, I think, 154 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: at its core is what distinguishes it from even the 155 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: NFL and everything else. 156 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: There's no spirit like the spirit. 157 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: College football has now you can call it tradition, pageantry, 158 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. You're talking about how we've 159 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: sort of deviated away from the amateur model and we 160 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: go more towards an NFL light model. My personal concern 161 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: is you kind of sacrifice that spirit in the process 162 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: of trying to homogenize yourself the way the NFL looks. 163 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: So I'll ask you twofold here. 164 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: Number one, what is it you would define is the 165 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: thing you love the most about it, not even maybe 166 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: as a coach, just as a fan of someone who 167 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: loves the game. And number two, in this path, how 168 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: do you make sure that enough of that is maintained. 169 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: I love watching kids compete. 170 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 4: I love that. 171 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: I'll watch Western Michigan and Central Michigan on Tuesday night 172 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: and I'll get home and sit there and I'll be 173 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: focused and watch it because I love watching kids compete. 174 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 5: So you endorse maction. You love maction. I love football. 175 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 5: I love watching them play. I love what they learn 176 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 5: from it. I love I sat and watched I Want Perdue. 177 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: Basketball the other night, women's basketball because I wanted to 178 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: see Caitlyn Clark and I wanted to see if Perdue 179 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 3: could upset them, and I wanted to see. I'm so 180 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 3: amazed by the nineteen number one seed that got beat 181 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: in their conference tournaments. I'm amazed that he yelled, can 182 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 3: beat an Auburn. I'm just amazed that Oakland can beat Kentucky. 183 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: And I thought it was Oakland California. I was like 184 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: everybody else. So but that stuff happens, and I'm constantly 185 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: my mind's working on why does that happen. It's so 186 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 3: intriguing to me because you've got to have an edge, 187 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: you've got to be prepared, you've got to respect your opponent, 188 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: and all those things that are important that that really 189 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 3: rate to our life relate to football. I love the pageantry. 190 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: I cry at the national anthem. I cry after we 191 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 3: went I'm mad after we lose. I mean, I'm even 192 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: just We beat Duke in double overtime last year and 193 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: I was emotional and talking to the reporter on the 194 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 3: field after the game. 195 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 4: Everybody thought I was going to quit. 196 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: No. I love beating Duke. I thought he was a 197 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: great game, and I get into I don't think either 198 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 3: team lost that game. We all won because we saw 199 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: kids compete till the last second, and we loved what 200 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 3: we saw, so why does somebody have to lose? We 201 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: all won with that game. So I think the pageantry 202 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: and I believe this, Josh, I really believe this. I 203 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 3: don't think we're going to change and be more like 204 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 3: the NFL because the kids didn't ask for this. NFL 205 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: guys go into it knowing they're getting paid. Nope, not 206 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: one player asked to be paid. 207 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 4: This was on us. 208 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: Adults made these decisions. So when fans tell me I 209 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 3: don't want to watch them anymore they're just after the. 210 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 4: Money, they're really not. 211 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: They are wonderful young people who fight their guts out 212 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 3: every day to do what's right, and we just happened 213 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 3: to say we're going to pay you for it. Now, 214 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 3: if somebody tells me, Texis told me they're gonna give 215 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 3: me a huge raise after the National Championship. I didn't 216 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: ask for it. I don't know that it was for 217 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 3: the sport, but I darn sure wasn't gonna turn it down. 218 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: That's the kids. If you'd give for them some money, 219 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: they're gonna take it. But are they gonna practice hard 220 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: and they're gonna play hard? I don't believe they all 221 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 3: that they'll walk out on you anymore, and there's no loyalty. 222 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 3: I don't I don't believe all that. I love these kids, 223 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 3: and I just think we've put a ton on their 224 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: backs for mental health, and we need to start making 225 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: sure that this is this thing gets simplified. I like 226 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: to take complicated things and simplify them. And and and 227 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: we're a little complicated right now. We need to we 228 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: need to get it simplified for them. 229 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: You were, you were in media. 230 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: I believe around the time the concept of opting out 231 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: of bowl games really became popular, and so you got 232 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: to sit at a desk and talk about it as 233 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: a former. 234 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: Coach, and unbeknownst to you, you were going to get back 235 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: into coaching. 236 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: But the points you're making there is taken because I 237 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: remember at the time, all the anger was at the kids. 238 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: How dare Leonard Fournette opt out of this fowl game? Well, 239 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: if you trace back a couple of years, you have 240 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: the advent of the playoff, and then you've got adults 241 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: in the room who start calling any game not tied 242 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: to the playoff meaningless. So the kids listen to that 243 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and then they say, well 244 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: if the adults in the room are calling the games meaningless? 245 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: Why should I play in the game. And then you 246 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: try and make that point to people, and now I 247 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: don't want to hear that. I don't want to hear 248 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: that's the kids. 249 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: It's the kids. It's a good point you're making. 250 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: Though, Josh, it really that's a that's a very confusing 251 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: concept for me. It's because I'm all in to fight 252 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: for your team. You wouldn't be where you are in 253 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: the draft if it hadn't been for your team. So 254 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: how can you buy into your team and then walk away? 255 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 3: And then I look at it. I see guys get hurt, 256 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 3: and I say, hey, they're turning it. They're losing millions 257 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: of dollars because they got hurt. We've got insurance for them, 258 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 3: but the insurance isn't going to cover what they would 259 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 3: have made. So it gets really confusing for me because 260 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 3: I've never coached in a meaningless game. I've never played 261 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: in a meaningless game. If I go play pickup basketball, 262 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: I want to win. I mean, that's just it. If 263 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 3: you play ping pong, why play? They keep score for 264 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 3: a reason? You want to win. So some people say 265 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 3: they're not opting out there quitting their team. I get confused. 266 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 3: We've had probably three four kids opt out of our 267 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: bowl every year. We had four young guys OpEd out 268 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 3: of the Orange Bowl at North Carolina. We've never been 269 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 3: and I think I was more shocked than anything else 270 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 3: that that could happen. But I get it. Do I 271 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: get mad? Do I love the kids? Absolutely? Do I 272 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 3: wish they'd play. Yeah, because it's for their team. And 273 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 3: another thing I'm worried about a little bit, and it's 274 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 3: kind of along the same line. I've got teammates that 275 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 3: I love. I talk to them all the time. Tony 276 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 3: Dungee spoke at our high school clink the other day 277 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: and he said he's still got twenty five guys that 278 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,359 Speaker 3: he's on a text chain with from his Minnesota college team. 279 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 4: With all the. 280 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,599 Speaker 3: Transfers, especially in basketball, we're not going to see that 281 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 3: anymore because you're not going to grow up with the guys, 282 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: and so they may not be your best man, they 283 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 3: may not be in your wedding anymore. They may not 284 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 3: be your best friend that you talked to once a week. 285 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: And I hate that for guys, because that's one thing 286 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: that all of us who have played have camaraderie with 287 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 3: those that we played with. 288 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: I like that we don't have to beat around the 289 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: bush with this with you. So if we look back 290 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: on the last couple of years at Carolina, I think 291 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: most people would classify it as they've had good to 292 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: really good offensive played. They've had good quarterback play over there. 293 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: Defense hasn't been up to standard. It's kept them from 294 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: achieving what that talent roster suggests they should have achieved. 295 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: Special teams kicking games specifically last year. The look on 296 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: your face says it all. You made moves to address 297 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: both of those. How do you feel you're going to 298 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: go about improving those parts of the program. 299 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Josh, we've played really good offense top twenty five, 300 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: top ten, and should have won more games if we'd 301 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: been better on defense. 302 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 4: We've played. 303 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: We've been good at defense some but at best we've 304 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: been really inconsistent, and there's been some days we've been bad. 305 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: We've had to score forty points to win, and then 306 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 3: kicking game. We were bad three years ago, and then 307 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: we were second in the league two years ago, and 308 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 3: then last year we're bad again. It's just so it's 309 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: really interesting that that's another thing that drives me is 310 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: we've been good for North Carolina to win eight nine games, 311 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: that's good. That's been the standard for us, which isn't good, 312 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: but that's been the height. Sometimes you win ten, maybe 313 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 3: you won eleven a couple of times, but we're more 314 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 3: six than nine. But nine it's good, but it's not great. 315 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: And we didn't come back to be good. So I'm passionate. 316 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: I call it passionate. My wife calls it obsessive. But 317 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: it's so much fun to be challenged to figure out 318 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: that defense. Why why have we been all over the place? 319 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: Why we and Coach Fedora had better offensive players when 320 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: we got here than defense. But we've been here, this 321 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 3: is going on six years. We should be better than 322 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: we are. So we've got to figure that out. We 323 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: got to make sure we get it a kicking game. 324 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: Tony Dungee came in when he came the other day 325 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 3: and he said, there's three things that you have do 326 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: to win. 327 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 4: We all know them, we all talk about them, but 328 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 4: do we emphasize it? 329 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: And he said, you don't need to have any pre 330 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,119 Speaker 3: snap penalties, and you don't need any. 331 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 4: Post twistle penalties. 332 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: You're going to have some in between but seventy five 333 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 3: percent of the penalties or before the snap of the ball, 334 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 3: and Coach Boden always used to tell me that you 335 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: got to cut those out. 336 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 4: That's lack a discipline. 337 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: You're going to hold some, you're going to have a 338 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: pass interference, but if you can't go off on the snap, 339 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 3: if you can't line upright, if you can't keep from 340 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: pushing a guy after the play, then you're not going 341 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: win games. So Number one, cut penalties out. We've had 342 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: too many here with smart kids. It wears me out. 343 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 3: I've told our coaches, we bring in really bright kids 344 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 3: to North Carolina and then they're not disciplined. That's on 345 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 3: us and they got great families. 346 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: So cut out the penalties. 347 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 3: We need to have fewer than anybody in the ACC 348 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: and that hadn't been us. Second thing is you got 349 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: to win the turnover battle. Everybody talks about it, but 350 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 3: do you coach it? And you got to do that, 351 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 3: and we protected the ball. We just haven't forced turnovers 352 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 3: because we've been inconsistent on defense. If you don't stop 353 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 3: the run on first down, you're not going to have 354 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: the quarterback in bad shape on second and third down, 355 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 3: and you're probably not going to get as many turnovers. 356 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: So we've got to stop the run more on first 357 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 3: down and then force turnovers and continue to take care. 358 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 4: Of the ball. 359 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 3: And the third game, a third thing is you got 360 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 3: to win with a kicking game. You can't be good, 361 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 3: you can't be okay. We lose to Well the super Bowl. 362 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: The Super Bowl's lost because of a fumble punt and 363 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 3: a blocked extra point. We lose to West Virginia because 364 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 3: of two interceptions going in turnovers and a muff punt 365 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 3: and a punt return for a tester. And that's without 366 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 3: Drake and three other of our great players. We still 367 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: could win the game. So let's figure out. Let's quit 368 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: talking about being bad, are being good and bad, being average, 369 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 3: being inconsistent, and let's get good at it. 370 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 4: We've got a great staff, we've got great kids. 371 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 3: There's no reason that we can't win all the games. 372 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 3: And that's just on us. 373 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: How often are you in a staff meeting or at 374 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: a practice or a round staff and sort of have 375 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: to jerking out and someone as me Moll would say, 376 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: jerking out in him and say, just what you said. 377 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: I know what's wrong. It's obvious what's wrong. It's obvious 378 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: that this wasn't executed. But that's a nineteen year old. 379 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: You've got three decades in this business. How about we 380 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: figure it out. How often do you actually have to 381 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: vocalize that to guys? 382 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 3: Haven't got a great and Josh, another great thing about 383 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 3: being seventy two, as you're going to say what you 384 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 3: think and you're going to tell the truth. We agree 385 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 3: to disagree and there is no elephant in the room 386 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: in our staff meetings. I took the inside drill yesterday 387 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 3: and I showed it to our defensive coaches and said, 388 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: I'm sick of these five plays. I've seen these for 389 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 3: five years. I don't want to see this anymore. He's 390 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 3: too high, he's too soft, he's too and so that's 391 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 3: just who we are, and we do it every day, and. 392 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 4: They are with me. This is a very close staff. 393 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 3: So when I'm not getting on them, I told them, 394 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 3: I give you suggestions and I want you to look 395 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 3: at them. I'm going to make the decisions. You make suggestions. 396 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 3: I make decisions, and assistant coaches jobs are easier because 397 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 3: you can make suggestions and they don't change people's lives. 398 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 3: I have to make decisions. They change people's lives. So 399 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: don't walk around bitch about me not taking your opinion 400 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: for your thoughts, because I've got to put everything together 401 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: and make a decision for the group. 402 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 4: I don't make it for you, and we do a 403 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 4: good job of that. 404 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 2: I don't. 405 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 3: Coach players at practice. I don't coach coaches on the field, 406 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 3: but I write down every little thing I see that 407 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 3: a coach needs to do to get better, and I 408 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 3: bring it in and. 409 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: Tell him how different do you run a practice now 410 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: than you would have twenty years ago? 411 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: Or is it different at all? 412 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 3: I'm the best coach now I've ever been. I've made 413 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: so many mistakes that I look back and say, oh, 414 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 3: in fact, some of the players in my really early 415 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 3: years I apologize to now when I see I said, 416 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 3: listen some of those things I said. 417 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 4: Some of the things we did, I'm really sorry. I 418 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 4: didn't know what I was doing. But now we're more efficient. 419 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 3: We I can't stand not being organized. I can't stand 420 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 3: the practice not to go smooth and quick and know 421 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: where to go. I hate it when a coach has 422 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: to say, hey, Josh, come here, man, you're in the 423 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 3: wrong drill. 424 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 4: That means we're not organized. 425 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: So my whole focus is time efficiency, making sure that 426 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 3: we let's don't practice drills that aren't going to help 427 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 3: him do better against his opponent. Don't have a drill 428 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 3: because it's a drill. You have a drill because it 429 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 3: helps him win. Man, your job is to help him 430 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: get better against his opponent. And if you don't do that, 431 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 3: what's your worth. He's not going to respect you if he's. 432 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 4: Not getting better. He wants to get better. That's your job. 433 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 3: So I have efficient drills, make sure that they stay healthy. 434 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: If a guy gets hurt because he hits somebody, you 435 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 3: got it. But don't get one of the stupid drill 436 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 3: that wasn't even effective anyway, and you get some guy hurt. 437 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 3: And make sure that where we haven't done a good 438 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 3: job here of developing depth, we need to play. We 439 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 3: need twenty two people on offense and defense all the 440 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: time to be playing. So why we lose at the 441 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 3: end of the year. We wear out, we get tired, 442 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: we get people hurt. We've got to play more people, 443 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: and to do that, you've got to coach them well 444 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 3: enough that you trust them. And then you tell the player. 445 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 3: I don't want you to tell me that you love football, 446 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 3: you're going to I want you to show me if 447 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 3: you're late to meetings you don't care either. You don't 448 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: have respect for me? Are you you don't care enough 449 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 3: about football to show up, because you know we want 450 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 3: you to show up. 451 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 4: If you're using. 452 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: Drugs or excessive alcohol or stand out late, you're saying 453 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 3: I don't care. I don't care as much about football 454 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 3: as I do. These things, none of which are good 455 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 3: for me. So you just you need to show me, man, 456 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 3: show me if you want to play or not. And 457 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 3: that's what I've told the team. We're that eight. 458 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 4: Nine win group. 459 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 3: You're going to have to give up some things to 460 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: get past that. Cel Shepherd came in and spoke to 461 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 3: our team, and he's a great speaker. I didn't know 462 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 3: where he was going. It was a true story. He said, 463 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: there's a guy out in Arizona and he's in the 464 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 3: desert and he's hiking, and he's by himself, and he's 465 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 3: got hisself on. 466 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 4: The knife, it's all he's got. 467 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 3: And a boulder falls and he gets caught and his 468 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 3: arm gets caught in it, and he can't get his 469 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: arm out, and he can't get ahold of anybody because 470 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 3: he's got no service and he's going to starve. So 471 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 3: he takes out his knife and cuts off his arm 472 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: and then he hikes find somebody and they save his life. 473 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 3: So CL's message was, you got some things in your 474 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 3: life you need to cut out. 475 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 4: Are you willing to do that to get to where you. 476 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: Need to go? He had to cut off his arm 477 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 3: to save his life. What do you need to cut off? 478 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: What do you need to. 479 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 4: Cut off to save your life? And it was so true. 480 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: Then coach Dungee said, the other day, how many people 481 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 3: want to win the ACC championship? 482 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 4: Next your eyes all office? How many people want to 483 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 4: win a national championship? It's all of us? 484 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 3: He said, okay, what are you willing to give up? 485 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: So it's kind of the same message, and he said, 486 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 3: what are you willing to give up? He said, we're 487 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 3: the receivers. They were all sitting back there together and 488 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 3: he said, all good, you're all together. 489 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 4: So you want to win all the games? 490 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: Right? 491 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 4: You want to win the national championship? 492 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 3: Right? 493 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great. How many are you. 494 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: Willing not to catch one ball next year and still 495 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: win all the games? They went, He said, yeah, that's 496 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 3: the question, what are people in this room willing to 497 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 3: give up to win all the games? That's kind of 498 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: where we are in our life. You give up a 499 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 3: lot to travel and work as hard as you do 500 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 3: and get where you. 501 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 4: Are at your age. 502 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 3: A lot of people aren't willing to do that, but 503 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 3: they'd rather grape at you. And the truth is, you're 504 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: going to get back what you put in, and it 505 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 3: may take a while, may not be on your schedule, 506 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 3: but that's what the power of this position is to 507 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 3: try to help those young guys learn how to manage 508 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 3: a very difficult life. We can't control what happens to us, 509 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 3: we can control how we handle it, and that's what 510 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: our whole program is based on. 511 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: Can you think back over your ear and identify specific 512 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: things you had to cut out or change in your 513 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: personal life to maximize your own effectiveness? 514 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, how COVID. 515 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 3: I got too heavy, didn't even realize it, and I 516 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: got on the scale one day, so. 517 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 4: We'll see l comes in. 518 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 3: So I lost forty three pounds and I've got back 519 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: up a little bit with recruiting, so I got to 520 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: go back and make sure I do it. But I thought, here, 521 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 3: I am telling these kids you got a discipline, what 522 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 3: you eat, your conditioning and all that. And I'm too heavy. 523 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 4: So what's that message? 524 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: I mean, look in the mirror, man. 525 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 4: So I just said I gotta do it. 526 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: I gotta say now for the people watching. I walked 527 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: in the building today and Jeremy's showing us around, and 528 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: we walk in the lunch room and there's head coach 529 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: Mac Brown, and seated three feet away is a nutritionist 530 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: watching every bite. 531 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 2: So this is being practice. 532 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 3: This is not just. That is true. And I love 533 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 3: my wife Sally, when she's here. We eat lunch with 534 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 3: the players every day because and that's a great setup 535 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 3: in this building. But I want to see their faces. 536 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 3: And if you walk by and I say, Josh, how 537 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: are you doing and you say, all right, I know 538 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 3: something's wrong. And if we think something's wrong, something's wrong. 539 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: So then you got to say, come here, all you 540 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 3: got what's going on? 541 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 4: There's something wrong. That's the purpose of the coach. 542 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: On one hand, I know you want to be as 543 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: regimented as possible. On the other hand, you just mentioned 544 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: a day to day instance where you could have the 545 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: need to carve out forty minutes on the fly where 546 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: one of your players. 547 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 2: Need you immediately. 548 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: How hard is it to be or remain that flexible 549 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: but also try and maintain structure. 550 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 3: It's hard, but I am a nut for routine. But 551 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: players and staff are priority. So if one of those 552 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: players says I got a problem, we'll move a staff meeting. 553 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 3: We'll do anything to go to him immediately. So that's 554 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 3: just what we do. 555 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: I was up in your office earlier. 556 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: I don't think i've been in one where guys have 557 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: multiple pictures with multiple former presidents of the United States. 558 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: And that was like just in the top fifteen of 559 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: some of the more amazing things that were on the shelves. 560 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 1: So your office is like a museum. Basically, what are 561 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: some of your favorite things up there? Because I assume 562 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: you can close your eyes and just picture it all. 563 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 4: Well. 564 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: Again, Sally is very important in my life and our process, 565 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: and we had all these things stuck in the shelf 566 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: in a house or they were in a closet or 567 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 3: an old box, and she said, you need to share 568 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: these with people. And I don't like talking about me anyway, 569 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: but she does, so that's okay. And I've had such 570 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 3: a blessed life. I mean, I just it's amazing. When 571 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: I get to Texas, President Bush is the governor and 572 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 3: he's working out in our weight room about every day. 573 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 3: So I got close to him, and then his dad 574 00:27:53,000 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 3: got close. And President Obama came to do a what 575 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: one of the what we call it the He and 576 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 3: Hillary were doing the debates, debates, and they were doing 577 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: it right behind their buildings. So I emailed President Obama 578 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 3: and said, would you have time to come back and 579 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 3: speak to the even senator at that time, would you 580 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 3: have time to come back and speak to the team 581 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 3: got He spent an hour and a half and then 582 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 3: he came back to see us later. And President Clinton 583 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: came here in the early nineties. And I'm not even 584 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 3: Republican or Democrat. I was told by Coach Royal head 585 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 3: coach at Texas a long time ago, don't vote, man, 586 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 3: you got enough. I'm mad at you anyway, so you 587 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: need to stay away from politics. So I can remember 588 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: when President Clinton was walking down the hall and Sally 589 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 3: and I were standing there and I said, is he 590 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 3: Republican or Democrat? If somebody asked me, she said, just 591 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: shut up and just be the coach. But it's the 592 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 3: relationship with the coaches I've had in this business. The 593 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: coach Bowden's, the coach Paternos, the coach Royals, coach Schim Beckler's. 594 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 4: I mean, it's just those. 595 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 3: It's why I want to be helpful to the younger 596 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,479 Speaker 3: coaches if I can, because the older guys were helpful 597 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 3: to me, and I look around now and I'm one 598 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: of those older guys. And then the Hall of Fame 599 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 3: ring is probably the most important thing in there, because Josh, 600 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 3: it touches everybody who has ever worked with me or 601 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 3: played for me. I can tell them your part of 602 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 3: you is in the Hall of Fame. With that ring. 603 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 3: It's really hard to win a national championship, So that trophy, 604 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 3: that team is special to me because, as Coach Royal said, 605 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 3: it changes your life. But then you're going to want 606 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 3: to win another one, so it really screws you up 607 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 3: in some ways. So probably those two or three things, 608 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 3: I'm just so blessed. You think most people don't ever 609 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 3: get to be a head coach. If they do, they 610 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 3: probably get fired in the first three to five years. 611 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 3: I've got thirty six years of kids and staff that 612 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 3: are my family. So when Father's Day comes around or 613 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 3: Christmas comes around, or January. 614 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 4: First, I just get so. 615 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 3: Many texts, and I love them sending me the pictures 616 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 3: of their family. And then I can think back to, 617 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 3: oh my god, he has changed, thank goodness, and I 618 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 3: laugh at him and say, my hair is gray because 619 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 3: of you. Man. 620 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 4: You're you're the one did it. 621 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 3: But even coming back here when we were out a 622 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,959 Speaker 3: lot of people wanted us to get back and coaching, 623 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 3: and we weren't going to go somewhere where we couldn't 624 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 3: win without cheating, and we weren't going to go somewhere 625 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 3: where we didn't want to live. And we came back here. 626 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: When they put you in the Hall of Fame, they 627 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 3: say you got a year to go back and say 628 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 3: thank you to people before you get inducted. So I said, 629 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 3: I got that. So I went to Tulane, I went 630 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: to Upstate, I went to Texas, and I came here. 631 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 3: When we came here, there were about two hundred kids, 632 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 3: and it was amazing how many of them said, do 633 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: you remember when I was a sophomore? 634 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 4: And you said, I'm thinking, how would I remember that? 635 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: No? 636 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 3: And he said it changed my life. You remember coming 637 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 3: to my dad's funeral? Do you remember my wedding and 638 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 3: we walked out that night and Sally said, I haven't 639 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 3: seen you this happy since you left Texas. So if 640 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 3: this job comes open, you need to be interested in it. 641 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: So I think, just that room, it's about the people. 642 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 3: It's about the relationships more than anything else. We've got 643 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 3: a charity now, and the charity in Austin's is making 644 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 3: eleven million dollars a year to empower kids that need money. 645 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 3: Just so many blessings just pop up in my life 646 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: every day. And the only thing I have trouble with Josh, 647 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 3: it's funny. I told the team as a head coach, 648 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: I hate it when you get in trouble because it 649 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 3: gets out of my control and that changes your life, 650 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 3: and you're at a young age where you probably don't 651 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 3: even realize how much it changes your life. I hate it. 652 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 4: When you get hurt because I got hurt. 653 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 3: I had eight knee operations, two of them were knee replacements, 654 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 3: so I couldn't ever get where I wanted to be 655 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 3: as an athlete because I stayed hurt. So I hate 656 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 3: that for you, and I hate it when they can't play. 657 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 3: We got one hundred and twenty guys and if you're 658 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 3: acting right and busting your tail. Only eleven get to 659 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 3: play at a time, so unlike basketball, they can play 660 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 3: eight of the thirteen we've got. Most of our team 661 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: has some depression and gets down and. 662 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 4: Really struggles because they don't get to play. 663 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 3: So those three things, to me are things that I 664 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 3: can't control that really bother me as a head coach. 665 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 4: The other one is. 666 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 3: I hate losing, and it sounds like you're patting yourself 667 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 3: on the back. I compete, I'm tough all that it's 668 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 3: really not. I'm a pleaser and I want us to 669 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 3: do everything right. And I've got a university depending on me. 670 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 3: I've got administrator, I've got supporters, I've got a lot 671 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 3: of friends in coaching. I've got all these kids, I 672 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 3: got these families, i got this staff. So when we, 673 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 3: in my mind, should have won. If the other team's 674 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 3: better than we are and they just line up whip us, 675 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 3: we play good, I'm fine. I can go home say 676 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 3: don't schedule them again. So I mean, but they're better 677 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 3: than we are. 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And sixteen years 712 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 3: at Texas, Sally calls it for presidential term. 713 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 4: So that's a long time. 714 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 3: So I started talking about retiring, and I started working 715 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 3: on what's the best, what's best for everybody, And when 716 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 3: you do that, you don't do as well. 717 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 4: So I said, this. 718 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 3: Time I knew. I talked to Bill Snyder at Kansas 719 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 3: State and I said, would you have gone back in again? Yeah, 720 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 3: you love coaching, you need to do that. And I 721 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 3: didn't finish like I want two at Texas, he said, 722 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 3: So when you go back in, just don't think about retiring. 723 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 3: Don't talk about retiring. And I thought about it when 724 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 3: when Nick retired. I said, as long as I'm having 725 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 3: fun and as long as I feel like I'm the 726 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 3: best coach for North Carolina and I'm being productive, I'm fine. 727 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 3: The day I get up and don't want to come 728 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 3: to work, or the day I get up and don't 729 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 3: want to go recruit, or I think we don't have 730 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 3: a chance or I'm not the best. 731 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 4: Guy for the job, I'll just quit. 732 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,720 Speaker 3: But I don't think about quitting, because then I think 733 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 3: I'm hurting us if I think about quitting. And that's 734 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 3: what I've told every kid. They said that Nick told them. 735 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 3: When you said you're going to be here the next 736 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 3: four years, he said, are you with. 737 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 4: A transfer portal? I don't even know if you're going 738 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 4: to be here for But I don't. 739 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 3: Worry about that because if we bring a kid here, 740 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 3: North Carolina is a great place and they're going to 741 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 3: hire a great coach when I'm gone, So I don't 742 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,720 Speaker 3: feel like i'm cutting him short. But I'm planning on coaching. 743 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 3: So I also don't feel like I'm lying to him either, 744 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 3: and there will be a day I'll quit and I'm 745 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 3: trying to be healthy. Is it's one of the reasons 746 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 3: for losing the weights. And got grandkids. I want to 747 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 3: play basketball with them, and play baseball with them and 748 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 3: do play golf them. But I'm at a great place 749 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 3: in my life because I'm doing what i want to do. 750 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 3: I'm having fun doing it, and I'm pushing myself every 751 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 3: day to try to get better and win all the games. 752 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: Let's wrap it up on this, go literally anywhere you 753 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: want to on this. When they ask you at the 754 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: end of the run, maybe it's twenty forty for all 755 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: we know. But at the end of the run, when 756 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: they say, hey, what's the most valuable lesson you've learned 757 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: along that coaching journey, what direction does your mind go? 758 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 3: My mind goes that my granddad, who I loved dearly, 759 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 3: he was the winningest coach in Middle Tennessee history, and 760 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 3: I was around him ever, made of every day, and 761 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 3: he taught me most of what I know. He always said, 762 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 3: always do what you know is the right thing to do, 763 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 3: and I will be able to leave coaching saying I 764 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 3: always did what I knew was the right thing to do. 765 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 3: Maybe I could have won more games, maybe a few 766 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 3: break rules. That's okay, because it's hard to catch you 767 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 3: now more than ever before. I've always wanted my granddad 768 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 3: to be proud, and I always want my children and 769 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 3: my grandchildren to look at me and say, you know what, 770 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 3: he was a good man and he always did what 771 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,720 Speaker 3: he knew was the right thing to do. And I think, Josh, 772 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 3: that's the most important thing to me. I'm gonna do 773 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 3: what's right with these kids. I'm gonna treat these players 774 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 3: like I would want my son to be treated, and 775 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 3: like I would treat my son. And that's what it 776 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 3: got to be with a tes walker situation and any 777 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 3: of ours that get accused of something they didn't do. Man, 778 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 3: I'm gonna fight for them like I fight for my son. 779 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,399 Speaker 3: But that's who I am, and that's who I want 780 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,879 Speaker 3: to be, and I'm not gonna change that. 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