1 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me Frank Kaffney. The program 2 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: that's well an owner's manual for protecting the country we 3 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the glory 4 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: of God and His Kingdom. We are still on the road. 5 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: We are visiting with our friend Rick Green at the 6 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: Great Patriot Academy he runs in Fredericksburg, Texas. It is 7 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: an extraordinary resource for training young people and not so 8 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: young people, including yours truly, in matters ranging from the 9 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 1: Constitution of the United States and firearm management. It's a very, 10 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: very impressive effort, and I'm deeply grateful to Ricken his 11 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: team for hosting us. We're going to talk about China 12 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: initially today. It's kind of top of mind because as 13 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:25,279 Speaker 1: this program is taped, the run up to the meeting 14 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: between Jijingping and President Donald J. Trump in South Korea 15 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: is in the offing as this program airs, maybe shortly 16 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: after that happens. 17 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 2: But we're going to. 18 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: Do a little crystal ball gazing with a man who's 19 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: perspicacity and his insights into very important issues of the 20 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: day is second to none. That would be Rod Martin, 21 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: the chairman of the board of our Institute for the 22 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: American Future and the host of the Rod Martin Show 23 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: and Rod Martin Reports and Rod Martin dot Org, all 24 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: of which are incredibly important resources in times such as these. Rod, 25 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: It's good to have you back, my friend. Welcome once again. 26 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: It's great to be here. 27 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: So you're a member of our committee on the president 28 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: Danger of China, and you are a man who has 29 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: thought long and hard about what the Chinese Communist Party 30 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: is up to and the threat that it represents to 31 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: our country. I want to talk to you a little 32 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: bit at the sort of macro level, three hundred thousand foot, 33 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: if you would level, about where the Chinese Communist Party 34 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: is at the moment. We've just had the fourth Plenum 35 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: of the party and Jijingping has emerged. He's still in 36 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: charge as best we can tell. Some are saying it's 37 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: a rather tentative hold on it, though, including Avafu, who 38 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: is featured on your website at the moment from the 39 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: Epic Times. What's your own assessment, sir, of the state 40 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: of the CCP. 41 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 3: I think their days are numbered, but I wouldn't want 42 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: to put a calendar on it just yet. And we've 43 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 3: been following this now for months, especially on my ex 44 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 3: where we have two hundred and seventy five thousand followers. 45 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 3: There's a reason everybody should you know. We've been following 46 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: the turmoil in the Chinese leadership now for months, and 47 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: we've written a lot about it at Rod Martin dot org. 48 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: And the bottom line is the military actually realizes that 49 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 3: an invasion of Taiwan would probably be a debacle. They 50 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: don't seem to have lost track of the fact that 51 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: when the junta invaded the Falkland Islands in the eighties, 52 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: six months later, it was out of power, course utterly humiliated. 53 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: So you know, they seem to get that there's a 54 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: real riff, a real danger to them here versus she's Jinping, 55 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: who is saber rattling like crazy. And though we are 56 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 3: about to sign a trade deal I think, and I 57 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: think it's a good one, they are constantly a threat. 58 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: And the question is, does does Jean you sh'ah actually 59 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: win this struggle he's the top military leader, or does 60 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: she Shenping? And that is unclear. He definitely came out 61 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: badly she did at the Fourth Plinum, but he held on 62 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: to power. They purged nine top generals, all of whom 63 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: were she loyalists just a couple of weeks ago. It's 64 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: going to be interesting to see how this works out. 65 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 3: But I think the biggest fear, which is more military 66 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 3: control leading to war, actually may be wrongly placed. It 67 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 3: may be the military that's sane. 68 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: That's a fascinating thesis. And you're absolutely right. The churning 69 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: that has been taking place in terms of military leadership, 70 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: many of whom had been appointed to and were deemed 71 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: to be loyalists of Shichiping, is pointed to as evidence 72 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: that has hold on power is tenuous. And yet it 73 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: does seem as though he is going into this meeting 74 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: with President Trump expecting to be rewarded for his efforts 75 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: to threaten our access to rare earth minerals processed rare 76 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: earth minerals, for example. And is this, in your sense, 77 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: you know, whistling past the graveyard on his part? Is 78 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: it playing a weekend shrewdly or is the hand actually 79 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: quite strong? And he may be somewhat weaker than he's been, 80 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: but still strong enough to extract from Donald Trump trade concessions. 81 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: And I'd be interested in your thoughts going beyond what 82 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: you've said about the quality of this trade deal and 83 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: what to the point brod Weather, is likely to have 84 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: any durability at all? 85 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it will. Look the bottom line is, 86 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 3: China has built its entire economy on exports. It doesn't 87 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: have a lot of domestic consumption compared to the rest 88 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: of the industrialized world. You know, the rest of the 89 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 3: industrialized world, the average percentage of GDP that's consumption is 90 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: over sixty percent. Theirs is not even forty. So they 91 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: really have to export, and there's no combination of powers 92 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: that can possibly absorb what they would lose if they 93 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 3: lost access to the US market. Now, are we going 94 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 3: to cut them off entirely in the short term. No, 95 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: precisely because of rare earths and a handful of other things. 96 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: But the truth is what you have seen is a 97 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: flurry of activity. You saw it early in the administration, 98 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 3: and now it's ramping up to a bit of a 99 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: flood of activity that is aimed at diversifying our supply 100 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: not just of raw rare earths, but of processed, refined 101 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: rare earths elsewhere and just decoupling that from China. Maybe 102 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: not entirely, but certainly enough. And the ultimate aim there 103 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: and we're seeing it in a big way. And I 104 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 3: believe we talked about this last week. Donald Trump wants 105 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: domestic supply to be sufficient to meet US needs, and 106 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: he's willing to outsource some of that to Australia and 107 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 3: some of that to Ukraine, and certainly like to acquire 108 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: or at least cozy up at some point to London. 109 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: You know, they are all these different places that can 110 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: help with supply, but ultimately you have to have refining. 111 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 3: China has ninety two percent of the world's refining. You've 112 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: got to bring that home or you're always going to 113 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: be vulnerable. And you know, we can have some processing 114 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: in Australia, but we need processing in the United States. 115 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: So in the short term we can't fully decouple, but 116 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: they absolutely can't. So I think we can get to 117 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: a good deal here. I think the framework in Malaysia 118 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 3: looks really strong, and it's gonna be It's gonna be 119 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: back and forth, cat and mouse for a while, but 120 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: I think I think Beijing has sealed its fate. We're 121 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 3: going to decouple, and it's just a matter of how 122 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 3: quickly we can do it. 123 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: Well, that's hardening, Rod I must say, I'm a little 124 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: concerned that doing any kinds of deals with G at 125 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: this point is going to be seen as helping to 126 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: prop up the Chinese Communist Party, something that we have done, 127 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, successively under presidents of both parties. Our friendly 128 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: smith has just done a masterful book entitled The China Matrix, 129 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: in which he you know, lays out in excruciating detail 130 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: the various presidents, yes, but also leaders elites, if you will, 131 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: have various sectors of our economy and political life as 132 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: well that have thrown in with the Chinese Communist Party. 133 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: They call it, as you know, captured elites, and it's evidence. Unfortunately, 134 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: I think of a rot that is very, very dangerous 135 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: for our country and has been of enormous help to 136 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: the Chinese rod. We have to take a short break. 137 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: When we come back, I want to talk a little 138 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: bit more about that, but also brought the lens talk 139 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: a bit about what China is doing in Venezuela and 140 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,359 Speaker 1: what Venezuela is doing well, not only in the hemisphere 141 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: but here too. Be right back, folks, stay too. 142 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: Welcome back. 143 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: We are visiting with what I considered to be one 144 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: of the great free range minds of our time, that 145 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: of Rod Martin. He is a member of the old 146 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: pay Pal mafia back at the founding of that extraordinarily 147 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: successful company. He has been a very successful entrepreneur and 148 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: businessman in the years since. He's a man of profound 149 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: faith as well as great political convictions, and we are 150 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: privileged to call him both a friend as well as 151 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: a very valued contributor to this program. And we were 152 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: talking about China and the backdrop to the trade deal. 153 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: And to be clear, as we speak, at least we 154 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: don't really know exactly what's in this thing. But I 155 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: think you're favorably disposed towards the idea that we have won, 156 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: not least because of this issue of our dependency for 157 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: the moment on Chinese exports at rare earth minerals processed 158 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: rare earth minerals at that But I am concerned Rod 159 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: about what is likely the knock on effect of this. 160 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: And Trump has been very clear eyed for a long time, 161 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: as Lee Smith documents in his book The China Matrix 162 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: about the threat we face from China. I think you're 163 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: absolutely right. He's been doing a lot of things throughout 164 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: this presidency to some except the first to decouple to 165 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: wean ourselves from the dependencies on China for various things, 166 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: including medicines and of course ear But the price of this, 167 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: it seems, is further enabling the Chinese, for example, just quickly, 168 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: and I'll ask you to respond to this. On the 169 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: twenty fifth excume, I think it's the twenty fifth of 170 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: February of this year, the President signed out in America 171 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: first Investment policy basically said we're not going to have 172 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: them investing in this country in ways that are harmful 173 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: to us, and we're not going to continue to invest 174 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: in their country in ways that are harmful to us 175 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: as well, notably investing in companies that work for the 176 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: Chinese military, the People's Liberation Army. That's almost certainly going 177 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: to continue to happen notwithstanding this policy directive, which has 178 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: largely not been enforced. But what are your thoughts as 179 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: to whether really this is advisable if the practical effect 180 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: is to keep our enemy of going concern. 181 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: Well Micro and then Macro. You know, right now, foreign 182 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: direct investment into China has dropped ninety nine percent in 183 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: three years, which is just extraordinary and clearly represents more 184 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 3: than just US companies pulling out, but they aren't pulled out. 185 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 3: We still have a tremendous asset base in China and 186 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,479 Speaker 3: we have some dependencies like rare earths. We can't decouple 187 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: from that immediately. We can and we will ultimately, but 188 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 3: we can't in the short term. So there has to 189 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 3: be a deal. We're gonna have to work with them. 190 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 3: I don't think it's a matter of propping them up. 191 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: I think it's just a matter of practicality. We got 192 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 3: to have some of their stuff, they got to have 193 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: some of ours, and we want them to buy our 194 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: soy beans, not Argentina's No matter how much we love 195 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: Javier Malay and we totally do, and we're super excited 196 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 3: about his big election win, but doesn't change the fact 197 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 3: that in the short term we have coupled these economies. 198 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 3: We're going to have to live with that to a 199 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 3: degree in the near term. Bigger picture, when George H. W. 200 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 3: Bush deliberately propped up the Communist Party in China in 201 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine, this is not unsurprising. I mean, he 202 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: was ambassador to the Red Regime before we had derecognized Taiwan. 203 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 3: He was totally a China file and the world looked differently. 204 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: Let's be real, the Soviet Union was still around. We're 205 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: still triangulating there and they still have at the time 206 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 3: he did that U per capita GDP of about three 207 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: hundred and sixty four dollars. So very different world. But 208 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: part of the reason Donald Trump is so hated by 209 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: bush World is precisely because of his daylight and dark 210 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 3: difference in how he approaches China. And I don't think 211 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 3: we have anything to worry about there. I think Trump 212 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: is very bu trying to contain China and deprivate of 213 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: the ability to afford a war. And whether that's successful 214 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: will it remains to be seen. But I think the 215 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 3: struggle we're seeing in the high levels of Chinese leadership 216 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: suggests that things may actually for want to be going 217 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: in a better direction. 218 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: Well, we will be watching this closely and we'll take 219 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: stock on what is in the deal and the implications 220 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: of it for perpetuating the Chinese regime at a moment 221 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: when it is on the ropes with you, Rod and 222 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: our other guests in the days to come. Let me 223 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: pivot to something you touched there a moment ago on 224 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: our own hemisphere. President Millai's resounding victory being very much 225 00:15:55,160 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: a welcome one. Moving up the hemisphere to the top 226 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: of South America, Venezuela. We have now a carrier battle 227 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: group reinforced amphibious ready unit off the coast of Venezuela. 228 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: We have been taking out Venezuelan go fast boats that 229 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: are allegedly involved in one facet of the Venezuelan government's 230 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: war on our country, a drug war in which it 231 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: is engaged with, you know, the Cubans and the Chinese, 232 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: and the Iranians and the Russians, and on and on. 233 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: We had a fascinating interview the other day with two 234 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: individuals who have been documenting other aspects of that war, 235 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: including Ralph Pazilla and Gary Bernston, describing what is really 236 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: a full on effort by the government of Venezuela, actually 237 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: a drug cartel called the Cartel the Soul is too 238 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: beautiful take down our country through election fraud and trafficking 239 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: various kinds and now threats of a military character as well. 240 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts as to what's going on there, 241 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: rud and what should be our course of action? 242 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: Well, under Chavez, Venezuela was Cuba, but with oil. Now 243 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 3: they wanted to be the dominant socialist power in hemisphere. 244 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: They were propping up Cuba, you know, with oil proceeds. 245 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 3: They basically bought Danny Ortega's way back into power in Nicaragua, 246 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 3: just doing all kinds of terrible stuff. They are no 247 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 3: longer Cuba with oil. Now they're just Cuba. They're broke. 248 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: Nothing works, the oil fields don't even work. They have 249 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 3: the largest proved reserves of any country in the world, 250 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 3: and they can't produce anything because they kicked out the 251 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: American companies that were running everything. And socialism is always 252 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 3: a corrupt nightmare. So now they're kind of a cartel 253 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 3: with a country because they have to actually have somebody 254 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: to enforce and help keep Maduro in power, and they 255 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: also need money. So yeah, they're anybody's dog who will 256 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 3: hunt with them, even ours. I mean, you saw Maduro 257 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 3: was begging Trump the other day to come back in 258 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: and run the oil fields. Well, why would we do that. 259 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: That's kind of dumb, but regard and we don't need 260 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 3: their oil anymore. But regardless, Yes, the Russians are present, 261 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 3: the Iranians are present, the Chinese are present in a 262 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 3: huge way. And by the way, all three of those 263 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: countries are present in a huge way in Cuba, and 264 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: that needs needs more attention than it's getting. But clearly 265 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: Venezuela has Trump's full attention. We're moving the Ford Carrier 266 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 3: Battle Group out of the med to the Caribbean. We've 267 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 3: got marine expeditionary units offshore. I mean, we're getting really 268 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 3: serious here. I don't know if this is a huge 269 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: bluff or if this is going to be surgical strikes 270 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 3: on Caracas. Who knows, but Trump definitely wants Maduro shaking in. 271 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: His boots, and he does seem to be doing just that. 272 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: And the question is will it result in the downfall 273 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: of this political regime slash drug cartel operation of the 274 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: arguably the largest on the planet and certainly a very 275 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: dangerous one indeed for the United States of America. Rod Martin, 276 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: we have to leave it at that for the moment, 277 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: so much more to talk about. Look forward to our 278 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: visit with you next week. In the meantime, keep up 279 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: the great work you do that Rod Martin, and check 280 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: it out. Become a follower Rod Martin at x as 281 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: I am I God bless you. 282 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: Stay tuned, fod We'll be right back. 283 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: We're back, and so is Robert Spencer, one of our 284 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: most prodigiously impressive contributors, an author of something on the 285 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: order of thirty two books now that maybe had dated 286 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: it was about a week ago, but they crank out 287 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: at the rate of high velocity. Canon we're talking about 288 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: today with Robert the subject of his newest book. It 289 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: is entitled into Fada on the Hudson The Selling of 290 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: Zoron Mundani, and it is an extremely important book, one 291 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: of the most timely I can imagine, because within days 292 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: we are expecting the subject of this book to become 293 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: the elected member of mayor I should say, of New 294 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: York City come January. It is almost unimaginable that that 295 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: could be the case, for reasons that Robert lays out 296 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: in extraordinary, indeed excruciating detail in this depressive new book. 297 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: We talked with him about it as part of an 298 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: important Victory coalition webinar earlier in the week, and I 299 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: commend that to you as well. We had a number 300 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: of other contributors, but Robert's book was kind of the 301 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: centerpiece of it. You can find it at victoryco dot 302 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: org Victory co dot org, and I urge you to 303 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: do so. Robert is the executive the director, i should say, 304 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: of a wonderful organization gee hotwatch dot Org, a project 305 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: of the David Horwitz Freedom Center, which he is also 306 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: a showman fellow. Robert is, in addition to his best 307 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: book length productions, the author of countless columns and essays 308 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: and commentaries, many of which feature prominently at the Outlaw 309 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: online platforms, PJ Media and Front Page Magazine. He's a 310 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: dear friend as well as a real mentor to me 311 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: and countless others. And we're so grateful to him for 312 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: taking time to talk with us today. Robert, welcome back 313 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: and congratulations on this incredibly important new book. 314 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 4: Thanks very much, Frank. Good to talk to you as always. 315 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: Let me start by asking you just to kind of 316 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: level set on Zoronmandani, a man who has until very 317 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: recently been completely unknown to just about anybody, though he 318 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: had a stint in the state legislature of New York. 319 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: What is it that has vaulted him to the position 320 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: of quite possibly becoming the next mayor of New York City. 321 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 4: The powerful Left has done this. They have groomed and 322 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 4: recruited and trained him. He has Soros money behind him. 323 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 4: He has money from the Council on American Islamic Relations 324 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 4: and the Islamic Network in the United States behind him. 325 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 4: He is one of a new tenant late of candidates 326 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 4: who all share various characteristics. They're all socialists, They're all young, mediagenic, attractive, articulate, 327 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 4: glib non American, that is, he was born in Uganda. 328 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 4: There are always immigrant backgrounds. They are always non white, 329 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 4: to reflect the Left's obsession with diversity, which of course 330 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 4: is only skin deep and never extends to diversity of thought. 331 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 4: And he is clearly one of the left crop of 332 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 4: candidates that represent their new strategy to bring socialism to 333 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 4: the United States by means of these appealing young people 334 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 4: who promised the world and will of course only deliver 335 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 4: massive federal control or massive city control in this case, 336 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 4: over every aspect of life. 337 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: You described him as a socialist, and I know that's 338 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: the coloration that he goes by a prominent member of 339 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: the Democratic Socialists of America. In fact, arguably its legions 340 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: of volunteers have been very much responsible for his success 341 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 1: in the primary especially. But is that in fact an 342 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: accurate description of his ideological alignment, Sir well. 343 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 4: Frank, it is, but the distinction between socialism and communism 344 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 4: is overstated in general and certainly in this case, because yes, 345 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 4: he says he's a socialist, he is actually a communist. 346 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 4: He's a real Marxist. He is very clear about this, 347 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 4: although he denies the term because obviously it's still poison 348 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 4: at the ballot boxer perceived to be nowadays in America. 349 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 4: But he's clearly a Marxist from many statements that I 350 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 4: have in the book, that he has called for the 351 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 4: ultimate goal of seizing the means of production, which is 352 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 4: the fundamental idea of communism, that the government controls everything 353 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 4: and owns everything you do, that is, you work for 354 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 4: the government. This is something he's been quite clear about, 355 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 4: and so is authoritarianism and his socialism are all part 356 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 4: of his communism, and that should not be underestimated despite 357 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 4: his denials. 358 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: So let me just be clear about this. You're saying 359 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: that this chap coming out of nowhere, basically but groomed 360 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: and packaged very very skillfully, would become the mayor under 361 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: the pretense that he's a socialist, but is in fact 362 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: a communist and means it when he talks about the 363 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: kind of control over well, not just the means of production, 364 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: but populations that we associate with totalitarian communism. In New 365 00:26:54,680 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: York City, the arguably the beating heart of American free 366 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: market capitalism on Wall Street and the like. 367 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, and see, Frank, this has to be emphasized. People 368 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 4: dismiss this and say, well, it doesn't really matter, because 369 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 4: what can he do. He'll be constrained all around. But 370 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 4: the fact is that he can do an immense amount 371 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 4: of damage by setting the city on a course toward 372 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 4: total government control. He will drive out many of the 373 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 4: businesses and industrialists in New York who are providing the 374 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 4: jobs and, contrary to his claims, providing much of the 375 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 4: tax base. And so he will find that the prohibitive 376 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 4: taxes he needs to deliver or at least appear even 377 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 4: to deliver on all of his free stuff promises is 378 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 4: going to vanish, and then the city will go bankrupt, 379 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 4: which will have immense repercussions for the entire country. 380 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: Well starting with New York City, of course. But I 381 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: think that's a really important point to which we'll return 382 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: here in a moment, Robert, but just in terms of 383 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: what Marxists seek to do and will come, by the way, 384 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: another moment, as well to other aspects of his ideological alignments. 385 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: But just staying with the communist piece, talk about chaos 386 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: as an instrument of, you know, acquiring and exercising power, Well. 387 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 4: The man is a chaos agent, and this has to 388 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 4: be emphasized. He is, in other words, somebody who wants 389 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 4: to bring about chaos in New York. He does not 390 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 4: want New York to be well governed and humming along 391 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 4: and everyone is peaceful and safe and prosperous. That is 392 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 4: not his vision for New York. What he wants to 393 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 4: do is what his opponents are warning about. It's not 394 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 4: an accidental byproduct of his idealistic dreams. It is his 395 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 4: actual goal to make New York a crime ridden hell 396 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 4: hole that people don't want to live in, and that 397 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 4: will be a dangerous, dirty, dingy, poor place where people 398 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 4: will be walking around in fear of their lives. Now 399 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 4: you might think that's absurd, you're being hysterical. Why would 400 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 4: anybody want that for a city he wants to be 401 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 4: mayor of. That's how communists work. They want to destroy 402 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 4: the existing system. And even if he is not going 403 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 4: to be president of the United States and not going 404 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 4: to have control over the whole country. If he can 405 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 4: create chaos in New York and destabilize and work toward 406 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 4: destroying the existing system, that has a great deal to 407 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 4: do with the overall communist goal of destroying the system 408 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 4: in general and replacing it with an authoritarian regime and 409 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 4: justifying that authoritarian regime by means of the chaos they created. 410 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 4: And that's what he will very likely do in New York. 411 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: And again, Robert, this is not some sort of projection 412 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: on your part. This is the playbook according to which 413 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: Communists operate and have done so consistently throughout the sorry 414 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: history of this agenda from Marxist day forward, is it not? 415 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 416 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And you look at Marx, you look at Lenin, 417 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 4: you look at Stalin, you look at mal you look 418 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 4: at Cambodia, you look at Cuba. Anywhere you want to 419 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 4: go where socialism or communism, they always call it socialism, 420 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 4: remember even though it was communists, the Union of Soviet 421 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 4: Socialist Republics and so on. And the fact is that 422 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 4: every time this has been implemented it has gone the 423 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 4: same way. Why do we think it's going to be 424 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 4: different in this case, just because he's a mayor and 425 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 4: not a head of state. This is naive. He can 426 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 4: do an immense amount of damagees mayor. 427 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert, you know, some will say, well, it just 428 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: hasn't worked perfectly to this point, but the next time 429 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: communism will in fact result in the worker's paradise, it 430 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: will in fact produce well, I guess to use at 431 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Bridge. At that, Robert Spencer, we have to take 432 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: a very short break. When we come back, we're going 433 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: to talk about some of the other things that should 434 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: be terrifying to voters in New York City and disqualifying. 435 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: Pretty all sort itself out just very quickly. We got 436 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: thirty seconds or so making book on that. What do 437 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: you think. 438 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 4: How if okay, the architect of a communist society, Lenin 439 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 4: himself did it wrong and Zochron Momdannie is going to 440 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 4: do it right one hundred years later. I got a 441 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 4: bridge to sell you too. 442 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, at Brooklyn Bridge. At that, Robert Spencer, we have 443 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: to take a very short break. 444 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 2: When we come back. We're going to talk about. 445 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: Some of the other things that should be terrifying to 446 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: voters in New York City and disqualifying. Prisorn Mondani's candidacy 447 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: to be the next mayor of that. 448 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 2: City of Gotham. I'll be right back. 449 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: We're back, and so is praise the Lord. Robert Spencer, 450 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: a dear friend, a valued colleague, a man who has 451 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: made an outsized contribution throughout his professional life to our 452 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: understanding of enemies seeking to destroy our country, whether they 453 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: are of the left, the reds, if you will, or 454 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: of what I call the sharias premisist caste Muslims who 455 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: seek to fly the green flag or maybe even the 456 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: black one over all the world ruled in accordance with 457 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: their totalitarian doctrine known as Shariah. Robert has written many 458 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: of his some thirty two books on subjects related to 459 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: Muhammad and Sharia and the Koran. They are an extraordinary 460 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: body of work. I don't know of anybody who is 461 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: not Muslim who understands better what this program is, what 462 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: its agenda is, and what it would mean for all 463 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: of us who are not Muslim, and frankly, for an 464 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: awful lot of Muslims who are not Sharia adherent. Were 465 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:59,959 Speaker 1: their objectives the aspiration the dictates of Sharia to be realized, 466 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: namely an Islamic rule worldwide. And Robert, we've been talking 467 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: about the subject of your new and splendid book into 468 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: Fada on the Hudson the selling of Zoronmumdani, namely the 469 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: democratic nominee to become the next mayor of the City 470 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: of New York, and you've very powerfully indicted him. If 471 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: I could use that expression, Sadly, it's only in the 472 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: court of public opinion at the moment, but it might 473 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: be required down the road in an Article three court, 474 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: given that what he stands for as a Marxist is 475 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: the subversion of our republic, the seditious overthrow of our government. 476 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: But that happens to be a purpose he shares with 477 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: another of his ideological attachments, and that would be the 478 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: Sharia supremacist one. About how on the one hand you 479 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 1: have this atheistic program of communism and on the other 480 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: this theocratic one of Islam that this one individual exhibits 481 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: as a kind of personification of the so called Red 482 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: Green axis. 483 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 4: Well, Frank, both Marxism and Sharia are authoritarian and set 484 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 4: against America. Sharia is a full program for every aspect 485 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 4: of life, including government and politics, and consequently, Sharia adherent 486 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 4: Muslims see the United States as a primary competitor to 487 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 4: the idea of Sharia as the perfect society on earth, 488 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 4: and so they want to destroy America and impose a 489 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 4: Sharia state here. Now, Mamdani is both a Marxist and 490 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 4: a Sharia adherent Muslim. This means that he is the 491 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 4: He is a true believer in not just one, but 492 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 4: two radical anti American ideologies that are internationalists and united 493 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 4: in their determination to destroy the existing American system. And 494 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 4: so Mamdani has been going around New York. It's interesting 495 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 4: to note that he has kept his Muslim identity to 496 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 4: the very much to the background throughout his campaign, and 497 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 4: only in the last few days has he started to 498 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 4: be more open about it. But in talks at several mosques, 499 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 4: it's part of his stump speech. When he goes to mosques, 500 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 4: he has said more than once that he wants to 501 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 4: show that Muslims have a place in this city and 502 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 4: a place in city hall. And it sounds like standard 503 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 4: political boiler plate, and most people, no doubt take it 504 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 4: such that way. But when he says it in a 505 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 4: mosque to Muslims, it has to be born in mind 506 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 4: that Islam is a political and social system and not 507 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 4: just a religion. And so he's not just talking about 508 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 4: people bringing a certain set of values or a certain 509 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 4: perspective into city Hall. He's talking about a real political 510 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 4: program and an agenda that could be very detrimental to 511 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 4: non Muslims in New York as well as to women. 512 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: Well, when you say detrimental, Robert, with characteristic understatement, I 513 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: think you are describing a circumstance that, as you've documented 514 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 1: in countless books, in accordance with the teachings of the Qur'an, 515 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: in accordance with the dictates of Shariah, this requires at 516 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: best something called dimitude, and at worst it can be murderous. 517 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 2: Kind of not. 518 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, it's not as if he's going 519 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 4: to impose second class status on non Muslims in New 520 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 4: York City. Nobody is talking about something like that. However, 521 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 4: he has already floated as a New York State Assemblyman, 522 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,240 Speaker 4: he has already floated the idea of stripping all public 523 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 4: funding and all assistance from groups or institutions that support Zionism. 524 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 4: And so this is just demitude by another name. In 525 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,720 Speaker 4: other words, he's going to reduce Jewish groups and organizations, 526 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 4: including synagogues, to a second class status. 527 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: In New York. 528 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 4: That is a penalty of their Zionism and in other words, 529 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 4: their Jewish identity as a whole. And this is just 530 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 4: one aspect. Another one is you take, for example, the 531 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 4: Sharia courts in Britain, and they were promised that it 532 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 4: would just be private arbitration and that they would refer 533 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 4: cases where British law had to say to the British courts, 534 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 4: for example, spousal abuse, which is not a crime in 535 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 4: Islamic law in Sharia, but it is a crime in 536 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 4: British law. And they didn't do it. They told the 537 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 4: wives just take it. This is a law's will go 538 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 4: back and try to please your husband. They did not 539 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 4: send the abused women to British courts. Point being, if 540 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 4: they're Sharia courts now established in New York, which Mamdani 541 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 4: would no doubt support, then are they going to do 542 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 4: the same thing. And who's going to be making sure 543 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 4: that they are actually protecting women and sending abused women 544 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 4: to the American courts. We can't trust a guy like 545 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 4: that who is Sharia adherent to do such a thing. 546 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: Well, we need to talk a little bit more about 547 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: the practice known as takia, which as you've documented in 548 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: your book. Is not simply condoned by Sharia, it is 549 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: obligatory when it advances the faith and further underscores the 550 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: peril that not just Jews and not just women, but 551 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: I think all New Yorkers face if they are not 552 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: with his program. Another reason why he should not be Mayor. 553 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,439 Speaker 1: We've got one more coming up on the other side 554 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: of this break. You're not going to want to miss 555 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: Robert Spencer's comments about his role as a twelver. 556 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 2: Stay tuned, welcome back once more. 557 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: We are continuing this incredibly important conversation with Robert Spencer, 558 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: one of our most serious scholars and monitors of what 559 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: enemies of this country seek to do to us, and 560 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: for that matter, to others who embrace and wish to 561 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: enjoy the fruits of Western civilization, Judeo Christian civilization. Robert 562 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: is the author of countless books. The most recent one 563 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: is Into Fada on the Hudson the Selling of Soon Mamdani. 564 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: Into fad of course, being an Arabic word for basically insurrection, 565 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: and what you're talking about, Robert, is just that by 566 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: electoral means, in this case, the stealth jihad term. I 567 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: think you coined, and that is so apt in this case. 568 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: The analogy to the frog being boiled incrementally applies here, 569 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: does it not? But I wanted to bring you to 570 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: the next and perhaps most worrying aspects of Zoron Mamdani's 571 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: background and personal predilections and ideologies. We talked about it 572 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: at length in this webinar I mentioned earlier. Robert, you 573 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: featured prominently in it, and spectacularly so. It's available for 574 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 1: free at victoryco dot org. Folks, please check it out 575 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: because it addresses what is truly a terrifying aspect of 576 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 1: Zoronmandani's program. Talk to us about it, Robert, and this 577 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: term Twelver, which describes as its providence. 578 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 4: The twelve Ver Shiites are the largest sect of Sihites, 579 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 4: and the Shiites are about ten to fifteen percent of 580 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,879 Speaker 4: Muslims worldwide. The Twelvers are the official religion of the 581 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 4: Islamic Republic of Iran, and that is twelve or Sheism 582 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 4: is the Islamic Republic of Iran. Of course, Chance forces 583 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 4: its people every Friday in the mosques to chant death 584 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 4: to America and the Atola Khamenae, the supreme leader of 585 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 4: Iran has explained and emphasized this is not just a slogan. 586 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 4: This is the mission and the goal of our regime. 587 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 4: And the idea of twelve ver Shiism is a matter 588 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 4: of grave concern for anybody who is not a twelve 589 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 4: ver Shia, because it's a kind of doomsday theology of deaficult. Yeah, 590 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 4: very much so. The idea of twelve ver Sheism is 591 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,799 Speaker 4: that there were twelve Imams who were the successors of 592 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 4: Muhammad as the leaders of the Muslim community. And these 593 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 4: are historical figures. Most of them were murdered by the Sunnis, 594 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 4: who were the majority of the Muslims, and of course 595 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 4: there's a death penalty for heresy and apostasy, so the 596 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 4: Sunnis thought the Shiah were heretics and killed the Imams. 597 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 4: The imamate was a hereditary office, and the twelfth Imam 598 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 4: was a little five year old boy who was killed 599 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 4: in the year eight seventy four, about eleven hundred and 600 00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 4: fifty years ago, and he was probably killed by Sunnies, 601 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,800 Speaker 4: but according to Sheiite mythology, he was not killed. He's hiding. 602 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 4: He's an occultation and he's hiding in a well between 603 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 4: kom the Holy City of the Siites and Tehran, the 604 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 4: capital of Iran. And at a certain point, when the 605 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,720 Speaker 4: Muslims are more persecuted than they've ever been in history, 606 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 4: he will come out of the well and start to 607 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 4: conquer and Islamize the world and kill all the people 608 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 4: who are not twelve or Shiites, or they will convert 609 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 4: to twelve or Shehism. 610 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: So why let me just ask you, Robert about this. 611 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: The persecution of Muslims is an interesting choice of words. 612 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: How does this fit into the practice of the twelvers? 613 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 4: Well, this is the problem. This is where this becomes 614 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,280 Speaker 4: more than just a crazy story. There are Muslim leaders 615 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,919 Speaker 4: today in Iran who think they can trigger the person 616 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 4: secution that will bring back the twelfth the mom and 617 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,760 Speaker 4: they want that persecution because it will bring the twelfth 618 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 4: the mom back. And they think like Ali ak Bar 619 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 4: Hashemi Rafsanjani, who was president of Iran from nineteen eighty 620 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 4: nine to ninety seven. He said, we can nuke Israel, 621 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 4: and Israel would be destroyed, and if they retaliate with nukes, 622 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 4: we lose ten or fifteen million people and we still survive. 623 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 4: And that would be the persecution that would be severe 624 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 4: enough to bring the boy out of the well. 625 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 1: And as I understand, it's sort of the image that's 626 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: conjured up here is of immense suffering and the lamentations 627 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: and they please for mercy. We had in our webinar 628 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: testimony from, among others, our friend Sam Fattis, who talks 629 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: about the prospect that people who have these views have 630 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 1: these beliefs if in charge of the security a person 631 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: specifically Zorn Mamdani in charge of the security of the 632 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: city of New York with you know, it's airports and 633 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: it's ports, and it's road networks and rail networks and 634 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 1: so on. In his previous job, he was an undercover 635 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: operative of the CIA for many years, but in his 636 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,880 Speaker 1: last job he was responsible for protecting us against weapons 637 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: of mass destruction terrorism. And he says, this prospect of 638 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: a guy who thinks creating the apocalypse is a desirable thing, 639 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,360 Speaker 1: if he has his way, could use New York City 640 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 1: as a vehicle for doing that here as well, could 641 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: he not? 642 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 4: Absolutely? And there's just no no preventing it, really, because 643 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 4: he'll be the one in charge of making the decisions 644 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 4: as to how to deal with whatever it is that 645 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 4: he might be seeing coming in from the Islamic Republic, 646 00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 4: and that could be a dirty bomb, that could be 647 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 4: assassination squads, which we've already seen the Islamic Republic send 648 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 4: to New York City to kill the Iranian dissident Masela Nijad. 649 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 4: They were discovered. But the next time, if the mayor 650 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 4: is on their side, maybe. 651 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: They won't be Yeah, maybe they'll be working for the 652 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 1: New York's finest, the police force of New York City. 653 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,560 Speaker 1: We also know by the way that those hit squads 654 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: have apparently been assigned the murder of others, including I 655 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,319 Speaker 1: believe President Donald J. 656 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:27,760 Speaker 2: Trump. 657 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: Right, this is such terrifying information. Robert very quickly, What 658 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: should people do at this point about this prospect? 659 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 4: Well, if you live in New York, you know what 660 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 4: to do. Otherwise, we need to keep on trying to 661 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,880 Speaker 4: get the word out and making sure that people are 662 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 4: aware that this is not just some kind of benign 663 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,280 Speaker 4: political candidate within the spectrum of American politics. Zohran Mamdani 664 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,760 Speaker 4: is a radically different entity who can cause an immense 665 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 4: amount of damage whether you live in New York or not. 666 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: Yes, and he is a prototype of what the Communists 667 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,959 Speaker 1: and the jihadis. The Red Green Axis have in mind 668 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: for all of us. Robert Spencer, thank you for Intefada 669 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,840 Speaker 1: on the Hudson, an incredibly important book. I hope it 670 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,359 Speaker 1: will be a wild bestseller, and in the next couple 671 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: of weeks especially. 672 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,240 Speaker 2: Thank you my friend come back to with soon. Thanks 673 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 2: for joining us. 674 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: I hope you'll do the same next time. Until then, 675 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: go forth and multiply