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Speaker 1: Good evening, America, and welcome to this Just the News,

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Speaker 1: Real America's Voice special report. Our topic tonight tackling government corruption,

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Speaker 1: everything from weaponized justice to entitlement fraud. We want to

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Speaker 1: thank our partners at AMAC for joining us on this

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Speaker 1: critical conversation tonight. We're diving deep into the scandals eroding

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Speaker 1: trust in our institutions. A DJ accused of targeting President

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Speaker 1: Trump and his allies through abusive probes like the FBI

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Speaker 1: Zontic Frost operation and billions of dollars lost to fraud

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Speaker 1: and entitledle probe. It's like Snap and Medicare and Medicaid,

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Speaker 1: even dead people getting billions of dollars of benefits being

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Speaker 1: sent to them long after they're gone. And Trump has

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Speaker 1: long pointed out that the DOJ, as well as America's

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Speaker 1: intelligence agencies were weaponized under the Obama and bidendministrations. And

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Speaker 1: we also know that America's entitlement programs are bleeding the

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Speaker 1: country of its wealth, especially when a lot of those

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Speaker 1: entitlements are being fraudulently collected, oftentimes by foreigners. Tonight, we'll

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Speaker 1: explore how Congress can hold the line, expose the abuses

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Speaker 1: in root out the waste to protect taxpayers before we

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Speaker 1: hit a debt cliff we can't recover from. We have

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Speaker 1: a powerful lineup of guests, including today Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson,

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Speaker 1: who's been leading the fight to hold those responsible for

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Speaker 1: both wasting our money and weaponizing our justice system. We'll

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Speaker 1: also have on Missouri Congressman Eric Burrowson, a voice for

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Speaker 1: entitlement reform on the Oversight Committee, as well as former

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Speaker 1: Trump attorney Christina bob facing her own case of alleged

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Speaker 1: prosecutorial abuse in Arizona. And on the medical fraud topic,

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Speaker 1: we'll bring in Brian Blaze, president of Paragon Health Institute,

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Speaker 1: whose studies on the waste and fraud in Obamacare have

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Speaker 1: led Congress to an important discussion the next few weeks.

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Speaker 1: All of that is part of our great conversation too.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to bringing in our guests, I want

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Speaker 1: to bring in my amazing co host for the evening.

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Speaker 1: He's AMAX News Line editor in chief Shane Here. Shane,

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Speaker 1: great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for having me, John. What we're

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Speaker 2: hearing from our members is that these topics are extremely

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Speaker 2: important to them. As you mentioned, the waste, fraud and

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Speaker 2: abuse in America's entitlement programs, what's going on with DOGE,

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Speaker 2: and now Archic Frost is coming out, and really this administration.

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Speaker 2: Just from one day to the next, we're learning more

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Speaker 2: about corruption that's been going on in the federal government,

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Speaker 2: which is exactly what President Trump was talking about on

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Speaker 2: the campaign trail last year. We're hearing from our more

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Speaker 2: than two million members every day that they want to

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Speaker 2: see more done to stop this, and so I'm excited

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Speaker 2: to get into it with our guests and learn more

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Speaker 2: about what we as the American people can do to

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Speaker 2: root out and stop the waste, fraud, and abuse in

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Speaker 2: government so important.

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Speaker 1: I was at the Patriot boot camp in Virginia just

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and a person came up

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Speaker 1: to me there and said, there's only two things I

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Speaker 1: want before I hand off my country to my children.

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Speaker 1: I want some of my money back, and I want

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Speaker 1: my justice system back. And I thought that was such

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Speaker 1: a profound statement that someone understood that this path we've

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Speaker 1: been on is not only unsustainable, it's downright on American

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Speaker 1: and I know a lot of AMAC members feel like

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Speaker 1: that member. It was a special event and a lot

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Speaker 1: of special people they're Shane, so great, great alliance among

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Speaker 1: the patriots who are association and mature American citizen members, AMAX.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: I can't think of a better way that we could

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Speaker 1: kick off the show than what I call who I

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Speaker 1: call the voice of Reason in Congress. He has been

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Speaker 1: relentless in trying to get his colleagues to focus on

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Speaker 1: commis and solutions through the wasteful and unsustainable spending and

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Speaker 1: to also all the corruption that has come from the

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Speaker 1: Biden years, the Obama years, and weaponized justice. He chairs

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Speaker 1: the most powerful Senate investigative body, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee

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Speaker 1: on Investigations. He is Wisconsin and Senator Ron Johnson, Senator.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you on the show today.

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Speaker 5: Hello john the Hello Shane, Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: You have done more than anyone I can think of

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Speaker 4: Are we in any better shape?

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Speaker 1: Do we have a political will in Congress to change course?

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Speaker 1: Or is it going to still be a struggle.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not the most uplifting character. No, we

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Speaker 5: got a real problem here.

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Speaker 6: Let's step back and let's take a look at this

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Speaker 6: from three thousand foot view here. Yeah, I come from manufacturing.

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Speaker 6: You solve a lot of problems in manufacturing. There's a

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Speaker 6: process you have to go through. If you first have

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Speaker 6: properly define it. And so you know, you're talking about

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Speaker 6: wasting government. The the root cause of this problem literally

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Speaker 6: is the radicalization of the Democrat Party starting with Barack Obama.

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Speaker 5: Remember Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 6: Actually with New Gingrich, we had surpluses at the tail

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Speaker 6: end of the twentieth century. So it's literally the radicalization

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Speaker 6: of the Democrat Party, which then took over power under Obama.

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Speaker 6: They started weaponizing all these agencies. They burrowed in leftists

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Speaker 6: we are witnessing currently. When you start looking at the

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Speaker 6: Arctic frost investigations, you see the dragnet undertaken by Jack Smith,

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Speaker 6: targeting not just President Trump, not just members of Congress,

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Speaker 6: but ordinary American citizens for example, thirty eight wisconsinites. I

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Speaker 6: know most these people that they're just good patriots that

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Speaker 6: they're god fearing, country loving law enforcement supporting people who

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Speaker 6: got caught up in that dragnet. Is Jack Smith weaponized

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Speaker 6: the agency and tried to criminalize what JFK did in

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Speaker 6: having an ultima electors when there's a dispute, for example

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Speaker 6: in Hawaii. So this is the Left is running circles

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Speaker 6: ultimately electors in Wisconsin and other states. It's just it's

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Speaker 6: flying under the radar because the left also controls the

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Speaker 5: So this is an enormous problem.

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Speaker 6: We can drill down to the individual problems, like the

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Speaker 6: complete miserable fare of Obamacare and how Democrats are trying

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Speaker 6: to mask that failure with these literally over ten years,

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Speaker 6: fact that Obamacare caused premiums to skyrocket on the individual market.

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Speaker 5: So we can talk about.

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Speaker 6: Those, you know, the fraud and snap and in medicaid

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Speaker 6: expansion and you know, all these areas, but the root

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Speaker 6: pushing bigger government because they just want power. Is the

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Speaker 6: unifying factor of Democrats is they want to acquire and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Senator, thanks so much for being here. And as

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Speaker 2: of want to take things thirty thousand foot for a level,

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Speaker 2: thirty thousand feet for a moment. Nobody has been on

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Speaker 2: the front lines of this more than you, going back

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Speaker 2: to twenty fifteen to now, really the story of President

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Speaker 2: Trump's rise, his first term and now a second term

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Speaker 2: has been him fighting against the swamp and the swamp

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Speaker 2: fighting back. Your thoughts on what needs to be done

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Speaker 2: to actually win that fight. We've seen a lot of progress,

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Speaker 6: Well, again, he was fighting back against the radicalized Democrat

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Speaker 6: the swamp is I think it's doing a disservice to

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Speaker 6: really what the problem is. These are Democrats who want power,

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Speaker 6: and so from the minute that Donald Trump came down

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Speaker 6: And then they just got in boldened by the success,

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Speaker 6: by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Again, that's what people need

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Speaker 6: to understand. Clearly, this isn't this is an issue of government.

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Speaker 6: is a problem of a radicalized left having completely taken

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Speaker 6: only interested in their quest for power.

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Speaker 5: They don't care who they destroy. Look at the most

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Speaker 6: Care that government employees of the American people were paying

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Speaker 6: the price. They're being used as pawns in this highly

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Speaker 5: That was their goal.

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Speaker 6: They wanted to make sure that the American economy doesn't

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Speaker 6: They're in control. Vote for us in the next two elections.

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Speaker 6: That's their game plan here.

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Speaker 5: It's sick.

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Speaker 1: So the reason they abuse government is they've made it

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Speaker 1: Nothing can something like that even get through Congress or

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Speaker 1: are you concerned that the Senate can't get the sixty

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Speaker 6: Well, again, that's why I've reluctantly agreed with the President Trump,

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Speaker 6: because he's completely right. When Democrats regain power, they will

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Speaker 6: they will in the filibuster. So we better act first,

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Speaker 6: and when we do it, we'll do it for the

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Speaker 6: good laws like you know, eliminate the prime education, secure

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Speaker 5: So they'll they'll.

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Speaker 6: Add more Democrats, sanitars, they'll pat Supreme Court. It'll all

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Speaker 6: be about maintaining their power. And that's what people, that's

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Speaker 6: what Republican Zine understand you. Unfortunately, we've got some big

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Speaker 5: We have different ideas. We've got a broad spectrum.

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Speaker 6: But I'm hoping, I'm hoping that my other Republican colleges

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Speaker 6: come see the light as we just witnessed the obnoxious

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Speaker 6: that this wasn't about healthcare. The shutdown was not about

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Speaker 6: the subsidies they used as an excuse.

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Speaker 4: This was about.

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Speaker 6: Shutting down the government, taking our economy so they could

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Speaker 5: They just want power.

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Speaker 2: And Senator, speaking of power and the abuses of power,

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Speaker 2: I want to return for a moment to the Arctic

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Speaker 4: That's something very close to your hearts.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about it on the show, and tonight

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Speaker 4: Guest is a man who has led.

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Speaker 8: Great to be on.

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Speaker 1: All right, So there is a lot of important discussions

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Speaker 9: The Medicaid reform that we were able to get accomplished

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Speaker 8: Everyone else.

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Speaker 9: You know, everyone's health insurance premiums are going through the roof.

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Speaker 9: We need to do reconciliation two point zero. We need

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Speaker 8: So we need to we need to build some.

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Speaker 9: Interfaces and connections between all of these systems.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in Congressman, I want to tie this back to

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Speaker 2: one of the hot hot button political issues or the

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Speaker 2: and that's affordability. And I wanted to give you a

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Speaker 2: chance to talk a little bit about how addressing the

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Speaker 2: waste fraud abuse will actually make life more affordable. Because

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Speaker 2: if the government isn't spending so much on things that

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Speaker 2: doesn't need to be spending money on, that makes everyday

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Speaker 8: It absolutely does.

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Speaker 9: Look, every dollar that government spends in deficit spending is

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Speaker 9: inflationary spending. So when we're spending two trillion dollars more

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Speaker 9: every year than we bring in, then we that by

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Speaker 9: definition is printing money and diluting the value of every

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Speaker 9: person's dollar, and therefore every time you go to this

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Speaker 9: to buy something, you got to put forward more dollars this.

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Speaker 9: It's we have got to restrain ourselves and reduce spending.

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Speaker 9: And if we can do that, we will see inflation

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Speaker 8: It might even reverse if we could.

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Speaker 9: If we could dramatically reduce spending, and we would also

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Speaker 9: see interest rates come down. So when the government is

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Speaker 9: spending two trillion dollars more, we have to take that

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Speaker 9: out in debt, which means we're out there shopping for

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Speaker 9: the debt in order to pay in order to continue

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Speaker 9: our spending problem. And when we're shopping, we're basically competing

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Speaker 9: with consumers or businesses who are looking to take out

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Speaker 9: loans or debt, and that's driving up interest rates.

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Speaker 8: You could the Fed could lower rates all.

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Speaker 9: Day long, but the market for the for in the

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Speaker 9: demand is what's it's what's keeping interest rates, you know,

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Speaker 8: And so that's government. At the end of the day.

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Speaker 8: Government has to reduce it spent expenditures.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you on the show, Congress, and what

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Speaker 1: an honor to have on tonight.

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Speaker 8: Anytime, John's an honor for me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we love having you on.

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Speaker 1: You've got such a big work. All right, folks, big

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Speaker 1: commercial break, Well let me come back. Former Trump attorney

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Speaker 1: Christina Bob will discuss the weaponized justice system she's experienced

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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to this just the News, Real America's Voice,

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Speaker 1: special report. I'm joined again by my good friends at AMAC,

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Speaker 1: specifically AMAC News Lines Shane Harrison. Our next guest is

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Speaker 1: Christina Bob, former Trump attorney and current Judicial Watch litigator.

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Speaker 4: She's also the author of an.

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Speaker 1: Extraordinary book called Define and Encourage everybody to get a

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Speaker 4: Christina, great to have you back on the show.

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Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: John.

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Speaker 10: I'm thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 4: We love having you.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about abuses and corruption and waste and fraud,

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Speaker 1: and you can't have that conversation about government if we

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Speaker 1: don't talk about the weaponization of what happened in the

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Speaker 1: justice system. You've written an extraordinary book. You witness that

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Speaker 1: systemic abuse firsthand. Tell us are returning to corner. Is

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Speaker 1: this the moment where accountability and a turn occurs.

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Speaker 10: Well, we're definitely at the crossroads for sure, whether we've

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Speaker 10: made the right turn or not. Personally, I'm still kind

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Speaker 10: of waiting to see how that plays out. I was

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Speaker 10: hoping to see the Department of Justice come out a

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Speaker 10: little bit more aggressive. You know, I do give them

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Speaker 10: credit that these types of cases are complex and trying

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Speaker 10: to weed this out is not a simple task. So

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Speaker 10: I'm trying to be patient, but I am eager to

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Speaker 10: see the direction that we end up taking, because we

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Speaker 10: are at a turning point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Christina just kind of building on that idea

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Speaker 2: a little bit. You're somebody who's seen firsthand the law

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Speaker 2: fair and the weaponization of government. Moving forward over the

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Speaker 2: next several months, the next couple of years, what would

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Speaker 2: you like to see from the Trump DJ to kind

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Speaker 2: of ensure that some of the stuff that we saw

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Speaker 2: last year doesn't happen again in the future.

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Speaker 10: Personally, and maybe a bit selfishly, I would like to

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Speaker 10: see whether it's criminal charges or criminal referrals, or the

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Speaker 10: civil litigation section her Meet Dyllan section one way. I

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Speaker 10: don't to be honest, I don't necessarily care which way

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Speaker 10: it goes. But we need to see the Department of

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Speaker 10: Justice weeding out civilly or criminally with prosecutions the people

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Speaker 10: that have been targeting regular ordinary Americans that are just

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Speaker 10: trying to exercise their civil rights and support the candidate

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Speaker 10: of their choice. I was part of that. It was

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Speaker 10: the whole Arctic frost that got pushed all the way

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Speaker 10: down to the state and local level. President Trump just

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Speaker 10: pardoned I want to say, seventy seven folks myself included,

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Speaker 10: largely symbolically, but still a very important symbol of what's

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Speaker 10: going on at the state level. I think Americans see

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Speaker 10: a lot of the high level stuff between Donald Trump

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Speaker 10: and Letitia James and Komy and you know, the people

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Speaker 10: that kind of they look like elitists above just the

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Speaker 10: common man. And I don't think Americans really appreciate how

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Speaker 10: much their own rights are in danger. If they just

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Speaker 10: so happened to support the wrong candidate, or god forbid,

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Speaker 10: they actually become successful at voicing their opinions, they'll be targets.

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Speaker 10: So personally, I would like to see more of the

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Speaker 10: cases targeted on the Arctic frost aspect of things that

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Speaker 10: actually we're targeting ordinary Americans, I would say, illegally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Christina, I'm so glad you mentioned that, because I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of the headlines they talk about President Trump,

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Speaker 2: they talk about the spying that went on on members

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Speaker 2: of Congress. But the message that you've always pushed and

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Speaker 2: that I think is really important, is that if they

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Speaker 2: can do this to President Trump, if they can do

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Speaker 2: this to sitting members of Congress, they can do it

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Speaker 2: to anybody. And as you mentioned with Arctic frost, you know,

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Speaker 2: beneath the national headlines was everyday Americans who were really

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Speaker 2: impacted by this, And so I'd just like to get

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Speaker 2: your take on the continuing threat to everyday Americans. You know,

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Speaker 2: if we didn't have a Trump administration, if we do

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Speaker 2: have another Democrat administration somewhere down the line, what are

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Speaker 2: the threats that still need to be addressed, either from

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Speaker 2: an administration standpoint or what more importantly, what does Congress

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Speaker 2: need to do to ensure that this doesn't happen again.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think Congress the most important thing they can

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Speaker 10: do is pass comprehensive election reform, mean past the reformations

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Speaker 10: that President Trump wants, voter ID, no mail in ballots

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Speaker 10: are only for very limited situations in person voting, one

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Speaker 10: day voting, no ballots received after the election. Do what

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Speaker 10: they can to secure the elections as best as possible,

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Speaker 10: because if our elections are not secure and you have

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Speaker 10: rogue people from whichever party running the Department of Justice

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Speaker 10: in these state organizations, I mean, the American people have

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Speaker 10: effectively lost their voice. They're going to get thrown in jail,

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Speaker 10: and they're not going to be able to effectively through

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Speaker 10: elections elect the people of their choice. So if whether

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Speaker 10: the Department of Justice actually brings charges that could clean

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Speaker 10: some of this out kind of remains to be seen.

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Speaker 10: But as far as I can tell, Congress really hasn't

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Speaker 10: done much of kind of plugging the other hole, which

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Speaker 10: is all of the shenanigans going on within our elections.

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Speaker 10: We have to have both of those. You know, there's

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Speaker 10: lots of issues to tackle in our nation, but if

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Speaker 10: you don't have clean elections and you don't have a

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Speaker 10: clean justice department, I mean, our liberties are very very

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Speaker 10: much at stake.

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Speaker 1: I want to stay on that subject, Christina, because I

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Speaker 1: think it's so important. We were born in this country

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Speaker 1: in part because our founding fathers chiefed at the idea

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Speaker 1: that the British system had general warrants, meaning they could

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Speaker 1: look anywhere and try to find a crime rather than

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Speaker 1: just investigating something. Nearly Arctic frost was basically a giant dragnet.

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Speaker 1: They were just dragging the ocean looking for any rusty

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Speaker 1: license plate they could hang on a person. How do

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Speaker 1: we get reforms to things like FAISA and Title III,

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Speaker 1: which allows people's phone records to be taken because it's

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Speaker 1: obviously way too easy to get people's private data without

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Speaker 1: a real cause of action one thousand percent.

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Speaker 10: And I love this topic because it's the Republican topic.

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Speaker 10: Republicans are the ones that continue to double down allowing

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Speaker 10: these PISA warrants, allowsing PAISA and all of the procedures

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Speaker 10: that go along with it to continue, and so I

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Speaker 10: was particularly upset, you know, and I understand the Senators

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Speaker 10: have come out and said it's not what it means.

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Speaker 10: You know, it's not what it looked like. But the

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Speaker 10: senators that said, you know, the eight senators that snuck

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Speaker 10: that provision in allowing five hundred thousand dollars for themselves

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Speaker 10: but not for anybody else who was actually harmed and

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Speaker 10: actually knew that they were being targeted. To me, I

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Speaker 10: think that was that really highlighted the symptom, or maybe

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Speaker 10: even the root cause is I think Republicans, and I

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Speaker 10: say this as a strong conservative, I think the Republicans

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Speaker 10: in office today are a bit out of touch with

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Speaker 10: the concerns of the Republican base. And I think that

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Speaker 10: little if you want to call the snafoo, you know,

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Speaker 10: that's my friendly way. I think they've missed the mark,

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Speaker 10: and I think they I don't believe that the Republicans

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Speaker 10: in Congress right now really understand how important that issue

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Speaker 10: is to their constituents, because if they did, they wouldn't

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Speaker 10: be voting the way they do. And then on the

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Speaker 10: other side of that, I don't think the American people

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Speaker 10: really truly understand how much Republicans are to blame for it.

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Speaker 8: I think it's easy to get all of.

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Speaker 10: The lawfair against Donald Trump and all the lawfare against Republicans,

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Speaker 10: and people who may not be in DC or may

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Speaker 10: not be in the news regularly don't realize that it's

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Speaker 10: actually Republicans that are enabled, you know, in some ways

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Speaker 10: enabling that to happen. By the way they're voting on surveillance.

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Speaker 10: It's Republicans that are the surveillance party. And the good

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Speaker 10: news about that is we can change it. We can

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Speaker 10: just change it because that's our side that's doing it.

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Speaker 10: But so far they haven't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, When Christina, I just wanted to get your thoughts

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Speaker 2: and you sort of hit on this. I know that

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Speaker 2: President Trump gave you a pardon, and I think that

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Speaker 2: that speaks to his ability to understand that this is

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Speaker 2: an issue to the base, not because you did anything wrong,

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Speaker 2: but as sort of a symbolic gesture that he sees

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Speaker 2: you and the everyday Americans who have been impacted by this.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to give you a chance to just give your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on what that meant to you and what it

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Speaker 2: says about him as someone who understands this issue.

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Speaker 10: You Yeah, no, I really appreciate it. You know, it's

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Speaker 10: not going to directly impact my state case, but it's

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Speaker 10: it did help bring it back into the news because

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Speaker 10: I think a lot of people assumed that when President

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Speaker 10: Trump won the election, all of those cases just went away,

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Speaker 10: and they didn't. We've all still been fighting it month

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Speaker 10: after month after month for over a year at this point,

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Speaker 10: for while for over a year past the election, you know,

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Speaker 10: eighteen months for me, and I know two to three

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Speaker 10: years in some of the other states. But so it

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Speaker 10: was the thing that I was really grateful for about

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Speaker 10: it was it brought it back into the news for

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Speaker 7: Of this DOJ yet.

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Speaker 10: So I also took it as Donald Trump trying to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a funny feeling it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a very busy winter for the Justice Department. I have

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Speaker 1: a good idea for people who want to learn a

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Speaker 1: little bit of what the system's like too. They can

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Speaker 1: read your amazing book to find Christina. It's a great book.

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Speaker 1: You do such great work. Thanks for joining us today.

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Speaker 11: Thanks so much, John, Yeah, I appreciate.

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Speaker 4: You so much.

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Speaker 1: All Right, folks, what a great conversation. Go check that

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Speaker 4: What Christina went through. It's it's amazing. All right.

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Speaker 1: Up after the Blake, Brian Blaze, a Paragon Health Institute

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Speaker 1: I'm still joined by my amazing coast Tonight, Shane Harrison,

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Speaker 1: it's time to bring in Brian Blaze, president of Paragon

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Speaker 1: Health Institute and former Special Assistant to the President for

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Speaker 1: Economic Policy under President Trump.

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Speaker 4: Brian, great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 7: It's great to be here, John, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: So we've been talking this whole show about ways that

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Speaker 1: the government and taxpayers end up losing money because of

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Speaker 1: waste and efficiency, fraud, corruption. When it comes to Obamacare,

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Speaker 1: you've done an awful lot to show the American people

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Speaker 1: how corrupt and how inefficient.

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Speaker 4: This program is. Tell us a little bit about it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, So the main problem is these expanded subsidies that

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Speaker 12: were enacted during a pandemic to help Americans make sure

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Speaker 12: that they didn't lose health coverage. But they've had massively negative,

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Speaker 12: unintended consequences that have exacerbated fraud. What they did is

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Speaker 12: create fully subsidized plans and give incentives for unscrupulous brokers

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Speaker 12: and agents to manipulate the applications of enrollees so that

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Speaker 12: they form their application to be eligible for these fully

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Speaker 12: subsidized plans even when they weren't. That generated big commissions

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Speaker 12: for agents and brokers. It also generated big profits for

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Speaker 12: health insurance companies. If health insurance companies, they get these

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Speaker 12: subsidies or payments directly from the US Treasury into their coffer.

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Speaker 12: And it turns out you can roll a lot more

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Speaker 12: a penny for the coverage. So we did an analysis

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Speaker 12: in the Greater Obamacare enrollment fraud that found that there

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Speaker 12: were six point four million improper enrollees in this program

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Speaker 12: that don't have the income that they have on their

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Speaker 12: application to qualify for these fully subsidized plans, and that

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Speaker 12: has led so many of these visuals don't know that

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Speaker 12: they're covered. They were misled by schemes advertising free plans,

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Speaker 12: advertising cash gift cards if they gave their information that

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Speaker 12: was necessary for enrollment. So you have massive improper enrollment,

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Speaker 12: big benefits to health insurance companies, and we now see

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Speaker 12: millions and millions of these enrollees twelve million in twenty

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Speaker 12: twenty four. In fact, didn't use their health plan a

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Speaker 12: single time in twenty twenty four, So no doctor service,

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Speaker 12: no prescription, no lab test. So basically what we have

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Speaker 12: is Washington sending enormous payments to health insurance companies on

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Speaker 12: behalf of people who don't know they're covered, have other

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Speaker 2: One thing that I'd like to point out and have

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Speaker 2: you expand on is what this means for not only

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Speaker 2: Americans who are paying for all these subsidies and all

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Speaker 2: this fraud, but for Americans who just have their own

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Speaker 2: private health insurance.

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Speaker 3: How does this affect them and the rates that they're paying.

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Speaker 7: So that's a great question.

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Speaker 12: You know, Obamacare had underlying features that have increased commercial prices,

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Speaker 12: so that there has been there's higher payments, largely because

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Speaker 12: of a lot of the consolidation that's happened with Obamacare.

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Speaker 12: You do have people that have private insurance paying additional

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Speaker 12: premiums because of that, but most the biggest effect is

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Speaker 12: rising tax burdens, rising inflation, rising interest rates. So all

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Speaker 12: of this wasteful spending just one it has to be financed.

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Speaker 12: It's now financed by deficits, and all of deficits. Higher

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Speaker 12: deficits mean higher interest rates, higher inflation. These expanded Obamacare subsidies,

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Speaker 12: which were part of the COVID response, were a contributing

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Speaker 12: factor to the rising inflation that Americans suffered under during

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Speaker 12: the Biden administration.

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Speaker 4: That just amazing, Brian.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask a little bit about do any

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Speaker 1: Americans get any of these subsidies or do they just

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Speaker 1: go straight to the insurance companies? Right then, the people

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Speaker 1: were trying to help, Actually don't touch this money at all,

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Speaker 1: do they.

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Speaker 12: No, they are payments directly from the treasury to health

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Speaker 12: insurance companies. Now individuals they benefit from having to pay

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Speaker 12: less out of pocket premium because there's a shift in

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Speaker 12: the responsibility to the tax payer. But people don't have

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Speaker 12: control over the subsidies. They go directly to the insurance companies.

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Speaker 12: They have limited ability to use the subsidies in ways,

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Speaker 12: either on plans or on care that they think is

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Speaker 12: the best fit. You know, one of the things that

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Speaker 12: we think is important to both improve healthcare and also

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Speaker 12: to reduce all of the waste and fraud is to

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Speaker 12: realign incentives. So if the government is sending subsidies for

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Speaker 12: lower income Americans to those Americans and giving them the

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Speaker 12: ability to choose the health care services that work best

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Speaker 12: for them.

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Speaker 7: That's a way to dramatically.

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Speaker 12: Reduce the waste that's resulted from all of these subsidies.

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Speaker 12: You know, health insurance companies have been the big winner

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Speaker 12: from Obamacare. They have benefited from the fraud. If you

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Speaker 12: look at some of their financial reports, they indicate that

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Speaker 12: there is a material risk if the government starts to

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Speaker 12: take action to reduce the improper spending and fraud in

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Speaker 12: the exchanges. And their stock price has increased three times

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Speaker 12: faster than the general S and P increase since Obamacare

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Speaker 12: took effect.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, simply incredible.

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Speaker 2: And Brian, let me let me ask you this the

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Speaker 2: you've just described to us, is this all some big

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Speaker 2: accident or was this by design? In other words, when

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Speaker 2: the Democrats set Obamacare in motion over a decade ago,

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Speaker 2: is this really what they were trying to get us

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Speaker 2: to all along?

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Speaker 7: You know, that's a good question.

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Speaker 12: I think that you know, the Democrats when they enacted Obamacare,

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Speaker 12: I think they were genuine in their desire that the

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Speaker 12: so the place where people go that don't get employer

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Speaker 12: sponsor insurance that offered more competitive plans. I just think

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Speaker 12: it was very ill designed, and because of its ill designed,

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Speaker 12: it didn't create more affordable health coverage. You know, premiums

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Speaker 12: and deductibles increased for coverage that had increasingly narrow networks,

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Speaker 12: meaning that it didn't cover a lot of the best

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Speaker 12: hospitals and doctors in regions. Rather than dealing with the

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Speaker 12: underlying flaws in Obamacare and looking for bipartisan solutions, they

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Speaker 12: just layered a massive additional subsidies to health insurers to

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Speaker 12: prop up a program that is failing. It is now

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Speaker 12: nearly eighty five percent of the entire market is the

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Speaker 12: revenues that insurers receive are subsidies or payments from the

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Speaker 12: federal government. That is not a sign of a healthy

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Speaker 12: competitive market. That's a sign of a market that has

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Speaker 12: been damaged by excessive government regulation and mandates and subsidies.

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Speaker 12: And what these subsidies do is that they perpetuate a cycle.

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Speaker 12: Your premiums and prices continue to increase. So we need

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Speaker 12: to stop the throwing good money after bad money. And

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Speaker 12: the key to reforming Obamacare and the American health sector

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Speaker 12: is to stop subsidizing insurers for offering inferior products and

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Speaker 12: to realign incentives so that insurers actually provide coverage that

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Speaker 12: Americans value.

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Speaker 7: And we'll spend their own money.

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Speaker 4: On one thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm certain that, Brien, we've done a lot of work

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Speaker 1: based on the Paragon Health Institute's great research. You have

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Speaker 1: the roadmap. Congress just needs to pay attention, great honor

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Speaker 1: to have you on the show, my friend.

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Speaker 7: Thank you very much, appreciate you saying that.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to this Just the News, Real America's

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Speaker 4: I'm joined by my good.

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Speaker 1: Friend Shane Harris at AMAC and it's time now to

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Speaker 1: bring in our final guests of the evening, and he

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Speaker 1: can tell us the consequences of fraudulent spending and entitlements

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Speaker 1: and what that means for the overall economy and the

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Speaker 4: People like you and me.

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Speaker 1: He's a physical policy fellow Americans for prosperity.

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Speaker 4: He is Urt Cauchman. Kurt, good to have you back

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Speaker 4: on the show.

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Speaker 7: Hey, it's great to be here with you.

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Speaker 4: All right. I love when we do this.

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Speaker 1: You've helped us understand how we got to this thirty

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Speaker 1: eight trillion dollar monstrosity that's a deficit and debt. Help

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Speaker 1: us understand we're waste, fraud, abuse, and I guess corruption

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Speaker 1: is some preeze gets us to this unattainable future.

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Speaker 11: Well, the American taxpayers are shelling out hundreds of billions

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Speaker 11: of dollars every single year that is going straight in

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Speaker 11: the pockets of fraudsters. Every program has this unique characteristics,

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Speaker 11: and there are lots and lots of different ways for

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Speaker 11: people to cheat the system. During the pandemic, there were

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Speaker 11: literally hundreds of billions of dollars that were stolen when

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Speaker 11: all that money went out to help people get through

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Speaker 11: the consequences of the shutdowns and the lockdowns.

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Speaker 7: And all of that.

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Speaker 11: Some of them were international criminal gangs, and the problem

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Speaker 11: is that one we just don't have enough agency oversight.

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Speaker 11: That starting to change. We saw Secretary of Agriculture Brook

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Speaker 11: Rawlins saying that people are going to have to reapply

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Speaker 11: for SNAP benefits because there's just so much fraud in

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Speaker 11: the system, she says, So it's a real cost on

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Speaker 11: the American people. It's also making it harder for people

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Speaker 11: that are eligible for the programs to get access to them.

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Speaker 11: We see that especially in healthcare. And there's so much

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Speaker 11: work left to be done. There was some progress made

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Speaker 11: by the Reconciliation Bill this summer, but there's just a

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Speaker 11: lot more to be done, and some of it has

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Speaker 11: to do with fixing the underlying incentives for members of

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Speaker 11: Congress to care more about these things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and Eric, if I could ask you to

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Speaker 2: expand a little bit more on that. So what we've

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Speaker 2: seen from the Trump administration is that they've been very

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Speaker 2: committed to fighting waste, fraud and abuse in the federal government.

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Speaker 2: Congress has sort of dragged its feet a little bit,

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Speaker 2: but we know that Republicans won't control Congress forever, and

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Speaker 2: they won't control the White House forever, and they may

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Speaker 2: actually have a very short window before the midterms next

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Speaker 2: year to do something long term about the waste, fraud,

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Speaker 3: So, from your perspective, what would you.

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Speaker 2: Like to see get done in the next ten to

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Speaker 2: twelve months to make some of these reforms more permanent.

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Speaker 11: Well, everyone needs to do as much as they possibly

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Speaker 11: can during the time that they have a lot of

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Speaker 11: things are pretty sticky in Washington. You do a regulation,

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Speaker 11: you improve program integrity, and those things will last for

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Speaker 11: a long period of time. You change the laws even

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Speaker 11: more so. The ultimate goal, however, is to get Congress

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Speaker 11: to be thinking, hey, what's the best way to provide

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Speaker 11: value for the American people? And right now they don't

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Speaker 11: really have a system that's set up for that. They

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Speaker 11: have an appropriations process, which is great, but it's only

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Speaker 11: about a quarter of spending and none of the revenue.

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Speaker 7: A lot of the.

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Speaker 11: Programs where the fraud, the waste, and the abuse are

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Speaker 11: so rampant, are not in the appropriations process. They're in

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Speaker 11: the other three fourths of spending. Sometimes they're through provisions

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Speaker 11: of the tax code. And so if you want to

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Speaker 11: get Congress to be an active participant in raining all

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Speaker 11: that nonsense in. You need to get Congress looking at

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Speaker 11: the entire federal budget, all the spending, all the revenue,

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Speaker 11: all the tax preferences within per committee spending caps, so

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Speaker 11: that they have an incentive to manage within their portfolios

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Speaker 11: for the best value. And that means going after and

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Speaker 11: having political cover to go after the nonsense that's out

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Speaker 11: there right now. The incentives for that a pretty week

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Speaker 11: because oftentimes there are people that are getting paid because

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Speaker 11: of some with this nonsense, and then they come into

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Speaker 11: the lobby Congress. Not the criminal element, of course, because

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Speaker 11: those people are not going to be going to the politicians,

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Speaker 11: but you know people of legitimate businesses that benefit indirectly from.

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Speaker 7: Some of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Kurt, you guys do such amazing work at Americans for Prosperity, smart,

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Speaker 1: forward thinking solutions.

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Speaker 4: Great honor to have you on the show today.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for joining us, Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: All Right, folks, it's hard to believe the hour went

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Speaker 4: I have a good night.