WEBVTT - Thursday Therapy: A Moment of Calm 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:05.400 Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I've Heeart Radio podcast. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:11.320 This week's episode, we have Michael Gallian coming on. He 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.360 is a certified professional coach mindfulness teacher on a mission 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:19.000 to create a calmer, kinder, and more connected world. BIB 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:26.520 do you so you've introduced me to meditation? Why what 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.240 is it for you? Like when do you find yourself 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.000 going to meditation and where did you find it? 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:37.640 And when probably four years ago after from a traumatic experience, 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:39.360 and I thought, you know what I really need to 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.800 I really need to think about looking after my breathing 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.400 and being able to control my emotions and my feelings. 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:52.600 But also the psychologist that England at the time was 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.560 introducing a lot of breathing exercises to the playoffs. So 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.520 I've kind of been introduced to it by like nasal 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.160 breathing and different types of breathing, like the four seconds in, 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.880 four seconds out and what it does to you psychologically. 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.120 So I knew a little bit about it, but never 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.000 really used it. And then it got to a point 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.640 where I thought, I'm going to really purpose purposely take 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:16.440 a period in the day where I focus on this 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.840 because it's good for your long term health. Isn't it so? 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.880 But it never ever became a rock solid habit in 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:30.080 my life even now, Like I think people go wrong 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.800 because you use meditation as a reaction to something or 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.680 the reactive around it, like, oh, I feel stressed, I 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:42.360 need to meditate. Well, your chances are feeling a losing 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:48.800 stress continuously come from meditating continuously. So yeah, it was 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.240 probably four years ago, and it was I was consistent 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.520 with it for months and it really helped me, but 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.720 then life took over. I didn't prioritize it. But I 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.200 think as a couple in the world that we and 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.560 then the chaos that we live in not bad chaos, 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.120 good chaos. I think when we go in and we 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.560 use the ten minutes twenty minutes to reach out, then 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.280 we use it to be present with each other and 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.800 hold each other, which we do anyway, but use it 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.000 to tax some edity. And because at the moment I 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.960 use it, we chat for five minutes and then I'm snoring. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.120 So I should rephrase. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.320 It, let's go and let's just go for the sleep, 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:27.040 because that's what I do. 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.560 It's not a reach out, it's just a sleep. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.880 Yeah, I have a question for you, and you don't 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:34.160 have to answer it now because I don't know if 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:38.400 now's the time. But do you think you'll ever Do 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.480 you think you'll get to a place where you'll want 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:47.040 to revisit maybe on an episode what you went through 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:53.640 four five years ago that was traumatic. I'm not sure 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.160 which piece makes you want? Sure curious because I think 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.160 it would help a lot of people when piece we 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.680 all go through moments that shape us, change us, and 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:09.280 move the compass. I guess so, I'm just I was 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.760 just curious if one day you'll you'll want to kind 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.840 of touch on it, because it's been the piece that 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.480 you kind of go back to and in areas of 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.400 your life that may hold. 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:21.519 That may hold weight. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:24.280 Yeah, I'm not sure i'd want to go back to 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.959 the actual experience and discuss that, but how it affected 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.480 things after that then, and how it affected my life 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.040 after that and enjoy season decisions and how it affected 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.760 my career and things, then maybe I would, yeah, be 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:38.920 open to discussing that. 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:44.000 Yeah, we'll stay tuned wind down listeners, not now, not today, 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:48.440 but maybe one day. Yeah maybe, I don't know if 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.280 we're gonna have listeners in ten years. We got to 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.560 get some really exciting content to keep that because full 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:57.240 it for ten more years. But let's take a break 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.560 and let's get Michael on and get us all to 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:02.760 a place of a centered, calmness. 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:05.240 Hi, how are you. 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:06.200 I'm Michael. 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.480 So good, I'm Jana. This is my husband Alan. 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.200 Hi, guys, it's nice to meet you. 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.080 We are so excited to have you on because when 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.080 we were looking at the rundown, you know, we obviously 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:19.920 are going to do some research on the you know 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:24.160 who we're having on and so last night we were 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:28.279 what laying in bed and he pulls up Instagram and 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.520 and you know, we pull up your videos and I'm 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.279 just like, man, this is like he's he's great, because 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.200 like your voice is so calming. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.920 I'm like, this is just so on brand. 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.440 Like with with what you do and you know what 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.279 we're here to talk about today, because I'm just like, 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.760 I'm I'm in like, I'm I'm relaxed, i am calm, 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:50.760 and it's just from the sound of your voice like 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:52.320 a gift. 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.440 Well, thank you, thank you so much. I'm glad it 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:56.360 was helpful. 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.320 Yeah, it was so. How were you based, by the. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.279 Way, I'm in New York and Brooklyn. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.200 Wow, in a very loud place you were that you 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:06.800 found a con. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.320 I think that's why I'm this way. You know, I 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.800 grew up in Colorado, which is very zen, but then 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.040 I moved to New York and I had like severe 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.440 panic attacks when I moved here, and so I just 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:18.919 had to figure out, in the midst of all of 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.920 the craziness, in the chaos, how do you find that 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:22.839 space of center. 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.040 So are you self taught or did you go in 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.040 lound from someone? Do you have a mentor or did 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.760 you just because some of the best people that we 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:33.960 interview in some of the best people that I come 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.320 across in professional sport are almost like self taught. 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:43.640 Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, I mean originally I was. It came 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.360 from a yoga studio in Queens, New York, when I 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:50.000 was having pretty severe anxiety attacks that were making it 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.200 so I couldn't do my job anymore. I really couldn't function, 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.120 and so I started just trying anything, and so I 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.360 went to yoga and started. You know, our teacher was 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:02.000 a mindfulness instructor, and she would do these many meditations 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.359 before and after our yoga sessions, and it was the 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.080 first time that I felt that sense of relief, and 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.279 so I was just using it for my own benefit 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.680 and then eventually I was like, oh, this is really 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.000 powerful stuff, and so I did go and I got 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:21.800 my teaching certification to be a mindfulness instructor. But the 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:23.760 majority of kind of what I know and what I 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.080 teach is just kind of all self taught and self 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.839 learned because I needed it. 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:29.320 Nice. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.880 Well, that's interesting piece that you bring up, because you know, 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.320 you say it's self taught. It's it's self taught because 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.719 it's I think that for me, why I would connect 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:43.800 with someone like you is because you got to that 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.680 place because you needed it to help you, right, So 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.800 I would like, so I've also had I struggle with 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.960 anxiety and for many years and it's gotten to a 0:06:54.960 --> 0:07:00.440 place now where it's better manageable, but it be hard 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.719 for me to lean on someone that has never felt that, 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.279 you know, So like that's I think that's like I 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.600 would trust someone that has gone through it to help 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.440 me walk through it too, you know. And I even 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.760 said last night, like, man, when I'm on a plane 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.400 and have an anxiety attack or something, I'm just pulling 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.440 up your Instagram because I'm like that that's like straight 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.960 up calm. But I think that's interesting the self top 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.040 piece of it, because I wouldn't have never thought of 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:26.640 it that way. 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.480 But yeah, there's also like, I'm very big on what's 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.360 people's reference? So how can you reference and teach someone 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:35.800 if you've not been through it or being part of 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.920 it yourself? And there's two things that There's two things 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.960 that I think about when I come across your videos 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.880 on Instagram, Micah. And the first thing is the calming nature, right, 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:52.480 So that's a that's just such a strong super power 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.280 to have and it got so calming that I was 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.560 I trained professional footballers and I was actually showing them 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.880 your Instagram today on how can your voice was? But 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.600 also the second the second thing that I like is 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.360 you know people who are very good at what they do, 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:13.120 but they're not exactly natural on Instagram when it comes 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.600 to videos. What I like about your videos is you 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.040 wave and say hi, and then you go straight into 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.200 what the objective is. You don't say hi, guys, how's 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.480 your deby and I hope you're well, it's just literally hi, 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.520 think about this or today, let's do this, and you 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.960 go straight into what you're trying to achieve. And I 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.440 like that as well. Because it's there's no messing around. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.120 Yeah, I mean, social media is such a chaotic space, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.560 and it really is. It's just you're scrolling NonStop and 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.760 people are trying to grab your attention and trying to 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.440 sell you something and trying to make you feel a 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.800 certain way. And my entire intention has always been just 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.880 to be that space where I can check in with people, 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.480 to give them this calm, gentle space where they can 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.880 still be in the chaos of that world, but experience 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.720 that sense of calm in just a second. And so 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.080 it's never about me selling anything. If you have, if 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.080 you scroll through all of my videos, you know, I've 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.920 never never sold a coaching package. I've never you know, 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.360 been pitching anything. It's just about. 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.360 You know. But I get your piece though, Like I 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.920 get I get I get why you don't because everyone 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.439 is trying to And then so like though you probably 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.440 like you're capitalizing on the how don't I say this, Like, 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:32.760 I mean, I appreciate you not, but also like we'd 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:36.160 understand obviously if you didn't, because like we capitalize off 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.640 our Instagram and you know, and. 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:40.760 That's the great thing is people have found you know, 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.199 people have found me. There are links that they can 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.400 go to, they can find my podcast, they can find 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.319 you know, if they want to have a coaching session. 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:52.439 But it's not at the forefront, you know. Most importantly 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:56.160 for me is to allow for people to just have 0:09:56.240 --> 0:10:00.960 the experience of what it is to feel calm, because 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:01.560 we all need that. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.040 Yeah, and especially on that platform too, because it's a 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.360 very and I was just talking to someone about that 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:09.559 where it's it's such. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.920 A this it holds. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.600 The most chaos, right, you know, and the loudest noises, 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.120 especially from other people that you have never met in 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:25.000 your entire life, but that it holds such a I mean, 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.240 it's the amount of time even yesterday, like when you 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:28.679 were in the show, I'm like, why am I sitting 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:32.440 here just scrolling and just like like just burning my 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.120 brain cells of just like scrolling on Instagram. And it's 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.920 not all great stuff, you know, and there's a lot 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:38.880 that comes with it. 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.880 It's an emotional regulation tool, that's really what it is. 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.920 It's our bodies are you know, there's chaos in the 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.760 world where you live in a very over stimulated world, 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:51.520 and scrolling has become a way for us to actually 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.520 start to regulate the nervous system because it gives us 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.720 that conscious thing to be doing constantly, and it's drawing 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.720 our attention in. And so when I work with parents 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.319 a lot, it's talking about like your kids are addicted 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.800 to the phone because instead of meditating, instead of going 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.199 on a walk, instead of doing the things that might 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.280 be a healthier way to regulate their nervous system, they're 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.360 using that And so pulling it away from them immediately, 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:18.760 or thinking that we can pull it away from ourselves 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:23.040 immediately is actually just it's taking away the blanky too 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.120 soon from us. We need it, but it's how can 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.280 we use it in a healthy way. How can we 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.880 use it to actually be something that can connect us, 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.559 can allow for us to have that momentary release so 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:41.120 that we can go on with our life. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:53.640 It's just I always want to speak to a small 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.880 piece of that, because you know, we're raising little humans. 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:01.040 Do you say not to take because I I technology, 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:02.600 like it is a very big and I don't know 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.600 if I but yet they see me on my phone, 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.920 which I try so hard to like put the phone down, 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.000 and you know we have but that's a piece where 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.079 I'm like, I don't want them to always you know, 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:14.800 they don't have phones. They're too little now, but when 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.280 it comes to iPads, and you know, I don't want 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.920 them always on the phones. And I have a we 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.080 have a monitor phone for our for our baby boy, 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.640 where you know, my my daughter loves to like do 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.160 little dance videos on with jas. But I'm like, oh, 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.120 this is now a piece that they're like loving another 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.720 piece of technology. So it's like, did you say not 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.440 to take or to like, how do you like kind 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.680 of do the healthy boundaries around that. 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:42.360 Take it, but recognize why they're using it to the 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.240 degree that they're using it, and if it's if it 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.000 is that emotional regulation tool, if it is that's thing 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.000 that is taking them away from the stress and the 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.400 pressures that they're experiencing. You still have to deal with 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.400 the stress and the pressures that they're experiencing and so 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.360 helping them to find those healthier habits of one of 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.840 the ways, what are you actually feeling, Why are you 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.120 going to your phone so much? And having that discussion 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.080 with them so that they can start to build those 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.559 healthier habits. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.360 Yeah, I mean they use it just to video little 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.959 dances and stuff. So I don't think it's I don't 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:21.000 think it's a distraction from stress or pressure at this point, 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.720 but it is good to regulate it. The issue I 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.480 have with social media is, and this is what I 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.760 like to you, Michael, because people proclaim to be camming, 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:33.800 and they could proclaim to be this, and unfortunately the 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.800 social media is full of false experts. It really isn't 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.120 that send the wrong message, claim to be something, but 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.680 send the wrong message and the wrong expertise to people. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.560 Whereas you claim to be calming and you are instantly camming. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:51.319 So therefore just simple things that people are what they 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.559 say they are, and that's unfortunately not the case, and 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.720 that's what I think needs to be regulated people following 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.360 the false experts online. 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:02.640 Can we back up to. 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.160 Your anxiety because there's a lot of people listen to 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.520 wind Down that you know, that's always one of their 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.800 questions when I say podcasts and today, whoul we talk about? 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.079 And you know, anxiety is at the top and the forefront, 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.120 and again in this day and age, in the world 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.040 that we live in, you know, anxiety is always the 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:21.920 fear of the unknown. Well, there's a lot of unknowns 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:23.600 in this world and there's a lot of fears and 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:28.000 for you do do you know what caused your first 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.960 anxiety attack? Yeah, are you cool to talk about it? 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.800 Or no? Or totally yeah, I'm totally open about this. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:40.720 And so I moved to New York actually to pursue 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.600 musical theater. So I have a degree in music and 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:49.080 came here and was performing professionally for about ten years 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.600 after I moved to New York, and there was a 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.280 moment when I started getting what I thought was just 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.240 stage fright, like I would just be really nervous before 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.360 I went on stage, and it started escalating to the 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.680 point where I would be having full blown panic attacks 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.680 every time that I left the stage, and it was 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.760 like my body was just kind of like collapsing from 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.320 what I was experiencing, and it got so bad that 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.000 I couldn't audition anymore. So it was, you know, this 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.320 thing that I had been so passionate about and loved 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.080 so much since I was a little kid was all 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.280 of a sudden no longer a reality for me. And 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.960 so it was that fear of being in front of people. 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:30.800 It was the fear of being seen. It was the 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.920 fear of having my dreams be realized. That was just 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:36.960 causing so much stress and anxiety for me. 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.000 And then how did you So then that's when you 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:41.400 went to your yoga class. 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.440 I'd tried anything. I mean it was it was anything 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.920 that I could could find. That was just what really 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.040 stuck for me. It was the simplicity of really mindfulness, 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.640 of being able to stop my mind from wandering. My 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.640 anxiety was really based in my mind either catastrophizing and 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:02.400 thinking about future or revisiting paserast moments, and for that 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.800 moment to be able to ground into the present moment 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.800 and really take stock of what is here. I can 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.320 concentrate on my breath, I can concentrate on my body, 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:13.760 and those are going to ground me into the present 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.080 moment so that I can actually have an understanding of 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.520 what's going on in the world. Everything else was make 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.520 believe in my head and my body was responding to that. 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.440 What is your favorite breath work that you've done around anxiety, 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.800 because there's so many ones out there, so I'm just 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.240 curious which one works the best for you. 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.560 So I'm a big fan of being aware of the 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.200 breath when it enters in and out through the nostrils. 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.080 One thing that I like to do is be aware 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.600 of the temperature of the air as it enters in 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.480 and exits, So it's just those things that you can 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.000 you can actually start to become curious about the breath 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.880 with So if you're breathing in and thinking what is 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.440 the temperature of the air when I breathe in, and 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.440 what's the difference in the temperature in the air when 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.440 I breathe out, and then just following the rise and 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.960 the fall of the chest and feeling what it feels 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.080 like to have the chest rise and fall, and then 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.359 dropping it down into the belly, exploring what does it 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.399 feel like when the belly expands and when it contracts, 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.399 and then becoming aware of the space around you, and 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.359 as you breathe in, imagine the entire body going into 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:23.520 the openness of space. So it's playing with that sense 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.919 of expansion and contraction, which just allows for the body 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:32.200 to really settle into ground, back into what's right here. 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:38.280 Yeah, that works, So I've got a question. Yeah, So 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:42.280 the anxiety started to come after you had been performing 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:47.119 for ten years, which is just a little bit strange 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:50.920 because you would think that after ten years of experience 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.959 it would become easier for you to handle those emotions 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.959 and those situations and the pressure of performing. You know 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:58.720 why it started to happen after. 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:03.680 It's when I started finding success. Okay, when I started 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.600 getting to the point where it was everything that I 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.119 had kind of dreamed of. It was I was on 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.639 an international tour and I was in China, and I 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.359 remember being on stage there and there's thousands of people 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.879 in Shanghai. And that's when the pressure started to really build. 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.720 And I think it was just getting to that level 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.640 and feeling like I had to perform or I had 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.520 to live up to something, and it just really messed 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:28.040 with my head. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.440 Interesting is interesting because you almost think by that point, 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.840 you're like, you'd have been not happy and I made it, and. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.400 Yeah, and it wasn't so much so that I had 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.600 to completely change careers and I went and I started 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:43.200 teaching preschool after that. 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:45.840 Did you try and fight it for a period of 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.880 time with using yoga and using other things to try 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.320 and save it, or did you just because a lot 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.480 of people just like football as they know when the 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.080 time is up and they have to quit because they 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.840 can't perform how they used to perform. Yeah, did you 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:01.800 fight it for a while or did you just know 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:03.920 that you had to move on to something else? 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.199 I fought it for a while, and I fought it 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.760 with anything that I could could find. You know, I 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.679 think alcohol drugs became part of it. You know, in 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.639 the performing world, that's something that people do, and that 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:22.000 just made it worse. And yeah, but I think the 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.159 reality of this situation was I think it was an 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.800 indicator that it actually wasn't where I wanted to be, 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.399 Like even though I was, I think it was that 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.960 pinnacle of success or not that it was like the 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:39.200 biggest thing ever, but where I was was leading down 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:40.960 a road that I felt like I wasn't going to 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.159 be able to turn back from. And I think it 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:49.360 was this indicator internally that I needed to change positions. 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.240 I needed to be in somewhere that was more fulfilling, 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:56.040 where it wasn't dependent on me having to be out 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.520 in front of people all the time, because that was 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:02.040 just too much pressure for me. Now I speak to 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:06.360 millions of people online and so it's a you know, funny. 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.800 Yeah, but you're doing the calling of where you're of 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:14.800 what you know you I imagine you're you know, maybe 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.160 do you still have the anxiety or where. 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.040 Does that Yeah, it still comes in. I just have 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.320 the tools now I have the tools to be able 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.240 to in the face of that anxiety be like oh 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.000 I know exactly what I need to do right now, 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.679 or there it is. Again, it's not this all encompassing 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:32.560 like fear Right. 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.959 You have your book that's available to pre order now, 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:39.040 but it's available on September twenty fourth. It's called Let 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.919 It Settle. Daily Habits to move you from chaos to Calm. 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.199 What are some of the tips in that book for 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:49.840 people to have that calm habits in the chaos of 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:50.200 the world. 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:52.920 Yeah, in their life. So the book takes us through 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.760 three different sections of our life. The first is just 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.760 when we're dealing with stress and overwhelm, and so I 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.239 deal with some somatic tips and tools that are going 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.280