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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers. Since government conspiracies, history is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. I was David Bowman, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: all I think I'm Ben a k the south Side

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Speaker 1: Stanley Kuper. Yeah still still Uh it's weird. You know,

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Speaker 1: who really owns a nickname? People just give them to you,

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Speaker 1: You know when you hear about a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that have the same ones, but they have to own

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Speaker 1: it in their own special way. Like all the lives,

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Speaker 1: you know, everyone everyone's a little something, but yeah really

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Speaker 1: or a young something, you know. Uh, we're talking today

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Speaker 1: about a very particular kind of street art. And I

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Speaker 1: love so much amazing street art, rilla street art especially, Um,

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Speaker 1: there are conspiracies in that world. You know, who is

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Speaker 1: banksy for instances, people that created m hmm. And there's

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Speaker 1: one idea street art in particular that many of you

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen for years, even before we had an

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Speaker 1: audio podcast, have asked us to cover and we received

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Speaker 1: some inspiration in the form of a friend of the show.

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Speaker 1: Most recently when we're in New York. Yeah, good friend

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Speaker 1: of the show and my own personal, longtime good friend,

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Speaker 1: Matt Riddle, and I were walking around in Manhattan and

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Speaker 1: he just kind of casually pointed at these odd little

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what, lem me blaz lem me blazes, what's what?

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Speaker 1: What the hell is that? Matt Riddle speak up and

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Speaker 1: nunciate and he said, there toyinb tiles And it took

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Speaker 1: me literally nine times of him having to repeat that,

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Speaker 1: like can you spell it? I'm not getting mess, I

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Speaker 1: don't understand what this word is, and it's it's They're

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Speaker 1: basically just these kind of odd little boxes of texts

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Speaker 1: and allah you know the Georgia guidestones. Who the hell

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Speaker 1: put them there? Right? Right? So these things popularly known

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Speaker 1: as Toynbee tiles, and it is a tricky name and

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Speaker 1: spelled t o y in b e e. Uh. They're

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Speaker 1: made from just just as Noel said, they're they're embedded

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Speaker 1: of linoleum and this crack filling compound that's used to

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Speaker 1: keep paying want together. People began talking about these tiles

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties, but you can find some references

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Speaker 1: that date back as far as the eighties. Still nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 1: not eighteen eighties. This is not like a it sting situation. Um.

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Speaker 1: And we can get into the messages too. We're going

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Speaker 1: to explore, uh, this the story of this. And first

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Speaker 1: I think I think you're absolutely asking the right question. Noal, Uh,

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Speaker 1: who is this guy? There's right right. So there's the

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Speaker 1: most popular guess is that Toynbee is a reference to

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Speaker 1: a fellow named Arnold J. Toynbee, religious historian UM born

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Speaker 1: in England in eighteen eighty nine. That's the same year

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Speaker 1: Hitler was born. Just from our previous podcast, Man, every

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Speaker 1: time we do a Hitler podcast, it just stays with

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Speaker 1: us and goes back to Hitler. All goes back to Hitler.

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Speaker 1: to silence again. We should also do a shout out corner.

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Speaker 1: not the only person mentioned in these tiles. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: specifically Stanley Kubrick, or well just the last name is mentioned.

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Speaker 1: He's the filmmaker that you may know from the film

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Speaker 1: And they don't really intersect too often. But Toynbee's writings

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Speaker 1: back to Hitler. Nietzsche, yes, and in perhaps that goes

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Speaker 1: they gloated over its death. Okay, Now, clearly there's some

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Speaker 1: That's very possible. And they're also asking for other people

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Speaker 1: which is from his Goldberg Street collection. It's a one

423
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: act play about a radio host and an odd color

424
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: who wants to discuss his plan to resurrect the dead

425
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: on Jupiter. Sounds familiar and it mentions Arnold Toynbee UM

426
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: two thousand one of Space Odyssey and the resurrection of

427
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: quote dead molecules on Jupiter. Stupid. Uh. There's also this

428
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: is this is a tantalizing breadcrumb here. There's also a

429
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: Toynbee tile in Santiago, Chile. It includes an address for

430
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: a house in South Philadelphia. Oh, can we read the

431
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: address on air? Are you guys? I don't know that.

432
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: I was hesitant to include it. The documentary chose to

433
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: not put it in there. Okay, Well you can find

434
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: it online if you wish. And you know, that's a

435
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: good point, Matt. Somebody probably lives there and there, you know,

436
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: trying to live their life without inquiries into the toy

437
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: B adventure. They did say it's on Seventh Street somewhere,

438
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: and they did say that they were also what they

439
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: called proto tiles found embedded in the pavement around this address.

440
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: These appeared to be test of the tile materials. Some

441
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: titles random letters, others were in Spanish. Right, so it

442
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: seems like there's something associated. You know, this is somehow

443
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: associated with Philly. Okay, So we kind of set the

444
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: stage here for information that this team has been gathering

445
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: and and again they're gathering the best known information about

446
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: the toy be tiles at least that you can find online,

447
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool to follow these guys doing that well.

448
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: In early two thousand six, Uh, the guy Bill O'Neil

449
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: who was running toy b dot net dot net. Remember

450
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: we said that these guys took it over. It's because

451
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: he gave it to them and they got access to

452
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: hundreds of email messages that had come through. And this

453
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: is spanning from two thousand and six, and so that's

454
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: just one big thing. So now they're they have all

455
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: the information that you can have about the toy. They

456
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: have a cash right there they're building this enormous database.

457
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: But that's not the only weird thing they had access to.

458
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: There was mysterious broadcast. Do you guys remember the story

459
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: about the Max Headroom appearance, which is classic We are

460
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: because Matt Noel and I are actually friends off air,

461
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: we spend way too much time passing each other weird

462
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: stuff that we think is either funny or just bizarre,

463
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 1: and this is one. This is one. Um, could you

464
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: could you describe it? I think you guys went to

465
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: a well, I will I will start off by saying

466
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: that UM Chuck from Stuff you should Know did an

467
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: episode with our friend em Me Jonathan Strickland on his podcast.

468
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: It's text text stuff where they go deep into it. Basically,

469
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: it was a signal intrusion, uh, into a broadcast facility

470
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: in I can't remember Cacago, Yeah, where UM interrupted regular

471
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: broadcast day with this odd looking dude and kind of

472
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: like a plastic e face mask thing kind of glitch

473
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,239
Speaker 1: video very much associated now the look of it with

474
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: like vapor wave community and like the kind of like

475
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, weird like kitchy eighties kind of like neo

476
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: futuristic kind of vibe, almost plastic, very strange, very very

477
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: plastic e and fake looking. Um and what was what

478
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: did he hear? What he said? Yeah? He uh. The

479
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: person who makes the appearance says a series of bizarre things.

480
00:29:50,600 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: You should tide, I'll get you a hot drink. Yeah

481
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: that thing. Yeah, And everybody was every everybody was baffled

482
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: beyond words, bugged out, at a loss for words. And

483
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: this there's a similar thing that happens um in the

484
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: toyb case. In the guy named Joe Raymondo was watching

485
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: eyewitness news when a strange broadcast intruded over the air waves.

486
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: Someone hijacked the news and sent out the toyn B message. Yeah,

487
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: apparently it was just audio of what you would find

488
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: on the toy be tiles talking about the toy b

489
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: Idea two thousand one resurrected dead on Jupiter. And it

490
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: just kind of he said, it came in a wave.

491
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: It was like the whole you know, the whole TV broadcast,

492
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: Like the picture went away and you saw something. You

493
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: just heard the message come through as static gain like

494
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: there was gain static and then you hear the message

495
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: and then it went away. That's weird. It's really weird,

496
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: but it's gonna factor in later in the story, and

497
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: this story will continue after a brief word from our sponsors,

498
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: and we're back, no delay, as Matt would say, Yes,

499
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 1: we're back, zero delays. Um, so let's jump right into it.

500
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: There is a gentleman, now that these guys have access

501
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: to toynb dot net, there's a gentleman named Nathan mel

502
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 1: m e h L who wrote in with a story

503
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: apparently about a street profit that was given out pamphlets. Yeah. However,

504
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: when they contacted the guy, he says that, oh no,

505
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: my what I wrote was taken out of context. There

506
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: was actually no street profit, but there were flyers that

507
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 1: were just blanketing this area where he was visiting at

508
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: the time, and they included this TOYNB idea. There's this

509
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: whole thing about public notice, and then it says all

510
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: this stuff, and at the very bottom it says tune

511
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: six point to five megacycles short wave, which means the

512
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: people who are putting out this idea have a short

513
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: wave radio show of some sort, or at least a

514
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: place where they regularly give out signals. Which is interesting

515
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: then because that builds a case that they might have

516
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: knowledge related to radio broadcasting or transmissions and in the

517
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: course of resurrect the debt. Another thing that happens in

518
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: the documentary once again is probably the best source for

519
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: any information about the toy Bee tiles. They went to

520
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: this convention oriented around shortwave radio and they met a

521
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: fellow named John t Arthur who claimed that he communicated

522
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: with the toyn BE Tyler. I still like tylist with

523
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: the with with the toyn B Tyler, but only through

524
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: mail through post. And then when the documentarians prompted this

525
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: guy with the name Sevy, remember from our earlier three suspects,

526
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: John recalled the last name Verna. Yeah, he said it

527
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: out loud without them mentioning that at all. So, Hey,

528
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: what do you think, Noel, That's that's kind of crazy

529
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: that it that he was able to pop that off

530
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: the top of his head after writing to the guy

531
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: and getting correspondence back right off the dome. Son and

532
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 1: this this brought him back to Severino Sevy Verna and

533
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: revisited this and talk a little bit about his methods

534
00:33:53,680 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: for delivering possibly the tiles. They did another hard look

535
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: at his neighbors and friends and people who lived in

536
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: the immediate area, and they got a lot more detailed information. So,

537
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: according to the neighbors, Sevy had a bit of an

538
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: unusual car that might um shed some light on on

539
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: how he, if he was the person that did this,

540
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: installed these tiles. So this car only had one seat,

541
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: um on one side, by the driver's side. Imagine and

542
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: wait for it, there was no floorboard. What yeah, so

543
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: like Flintstone's mobile style just driving in a city. I

544
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: mean obviously they would have to be you know, the

545
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: the the what's the word, yeah, the drive train and

546
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: the the frame of the car stuff, stuff that's going

547
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: on down there. It would be like exactly exactly, so

548
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: there there would be like all of these open spaces

549
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: where if one were so inclined to do odd little

550
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: graffitis all over various cities, he could perhaps take that car,

551
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: park it, or even not even park it, maybe even

552
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: had a light Oh yeah, reached down pop on the tile,

553
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: because it wouldn't take that much time to do. One

554
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: of these would be sort of the equivalent of like

555
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: putting up a bill with wheat paste or something, you know,

556
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: where you just kind of hit it over a couple

557
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: of times, make sure it's flat, and then you move on.

558
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: You know, I heard them talk about wheat paste in this,

559
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: and they said something about wheat paste may have been

560
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: away that it was done but with asphalt stuff. So yeah,

561
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about the structure of the tiles,

562
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: because we said that there's a consistency in their design.

563
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: So imagine these layers, right, The bottom layer is a adhesive,

564
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: a tar paper, and we talked about how the other

565
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: stuff is um a kind of tile, but with a

566
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: heavier rubber content and crack filling asphalt compound. So the

567
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: brilliant thing about this is when you lay it down,

568
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: you know, you would apply some pressure to make sure

569
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: it adheres, but as other cars pass over it, each

570
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: one of them is helping we paste it. Not to mention,

571
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: as the sun beats down on it and starts to

572
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 1: heat up those materials, that just gets more and more

573
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: baked into the environment. Yeah, and so this this is

574
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: not only an AHA moment, but this is also a

575
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: moment that explains a lot of stuff because one thing, um,

576
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: one thing that we should emphasize about these tiles is

577
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: many of them are found in areas that are so

578
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: heavily trafficked there would apparently be no way, you know,

579
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: even for somebody really fast to go up on foot

580
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: and then you know, one of these down unless it

581
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: was a drive by. Just and that's not the only

582
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: weird thing about Vernet that the neighbors said. The car

583
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: also had a giant antenna that would broadcast the twin

584
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: B message. Uh. The signal would interrupt TV and radio

585
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: signals as the car drove past. So I guess it's

586
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: sort of like a mini mobile pirate radio station that

587
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: would just intrude on whatever was available around in its

588
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: immediate proximity. Yeah, so really aggressive ice cream truck. Yeah. Yeah,

589
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: but he's getting you in your house when you're listening

590
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: to the radio or watching TV or something. Now, that's

591
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: allegedly sure the you know that the toybe message would

592
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: go out with this guy. But according to the you know,

593
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: the people who lived around him, they hated that car.

594
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: They knew what they knew about it because when it

595
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: drove past, they always mess up what they're listening to,

596
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: her watching, And he had some disputes with his neighbors.

597
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: He was not particularly loved in the community. Was held

598
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: at knife point once, apparently because there was an argument

599
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: over his loud organ and accordion playing. Yeah, for real

600
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: to become He's become a bit of a shut in

601
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: at the time documentary. But apply wood over his windows

602
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: and he put a lead pipe through his door. Yeah,

603
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't respond to the multiple times these guys

604
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: were trying to get in touch with him, both in

605
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: person and even the neighbors, the people who knew who

606
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: he was. And you know, ostensibly they know he knows them,

607
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: but he would never answer his door for anybody. So

608
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: let's get weirder with it. Okay, there's another I know

609
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: there are a lot of names in this show, but uh,

610
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: they should be worth it, hopefully. Uh. Here's another person

611
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: named Ulis Fleming, and Ulis says he has a handwritten

612
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: letter sent and signed by James Morasco from his Minority

613
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: Association radio station, written in the early eighties. Yeah, and

614
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: Morasco also sent along a bunch of pages with info

615
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: about the project. Inside this letter, Morasco is listed as

616
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: the publicity director for the Minority Association, and at one

617
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: point in the documents, the author Morasco refers to himself

618
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: as Severino Verna. Holy crap, so we might be dealing

619
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: with the same. It's like batman, dude, Severino Morasco is

620
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: Batman and Severino is who's Batman? Bruce Wayne? Oh, I'm sorry? Oh,

621
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: is that a spoiler? Is Bruce Wayne? He's not actually

622
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: a bat Also lightweights, But this this is interesting, this

623
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: idea that there would be multiple identities, because that's something

624
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: that a lot of con artists do. Yeah, or a

625
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: street artist or a street artist might do that, like

626
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: Banksy or like a graph head is not going to

627
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, spray paint Douglas Maroney. Here's my address and

628
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: my social Security number, list of my fears and when

629
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm usually at home. That well, that was my big

630
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: question when when that address shows up in Chile, Um,

631
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: excuse me, Chile? Uh, Like, why would you put your

632
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: address there? Maybe if you want, if somebody who lives

633
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: in sa Thiago wants to write to him about the

634
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: toy b idea maybe And the thought is, if you're

635
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: in Chiley, you're never gonna actually get in contact with

636
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Speaker 1: me personally, Like you're not gonna fly here and find

637
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Speaker 1: me at my house. I don't understand the reasoning behind that.

638
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: Oh there was no internet, or there was, but it

639
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: was very very very young in the eighties. Crude, Yeah, right,

640
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: he has more more um I r C like message

641
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: boards a blunt instrument into Internet. Yes, yes it was.

642
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: It was a series of rocks. But yeah, I guess

643
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: you just wouldn't have that fear of having your address

644
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: out there in another country that's you know, across the world.

645
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Speaker 1: The idea of like doxing wasn't even like a twinkle

646
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: in the eye of the zeitgeist, right yeah, and like

647
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: maybe some black box government agency could do it. But

648
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: that's it. So let's not leave that. The play that

649
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier unexplained from that same letter U, there's

650
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: this quote that Arnold Toynbee's conception of the colonization of

651
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Speaker 1: outer space, as depicted in the movie two thousand one

652
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: of Space Odyssey, was first explained according to the letter

653
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Speaker 1: writer in a call in on Larry King Show in

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Speaker 1: February of nineteen eighty. WHOA, that was back when Larry

655
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Speaker 1: King was only a hundred Yeah, have you ever? No,

656
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Speaker 1: I don't mean this in a disrespectful way. I don't

657
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Speaker 1: want to body shame anyone or whatever the correct term is.

658
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: But he has a very large head, Like if you've

659
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Speaker 1: seen him when he's not sitting at his desk, in

660
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: his the environment where you think you're supposed to encounter him.

661
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Speaker 1: If you saw him walking down the street and you

662
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Speaker 1: had never seen the Larry King Show, he would still

663
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: be like, my God. That paired with the increasing curvature

664
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Speaker 1: of his spine and his tiny hands, he kind of

665
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: resembles a t Rex. Yeah. Yeah. So the reason this

666
00:41:54,280 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: is significant, the writing about this in February is because, uh,

667
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: David Mammott didn't write his piece until I think eighty three,

668
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: and then it officially came out in eighty four. Um.

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Speaker 1: And there's an excerpt from David Mammott discussing four Am

670
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: his play where he said, quote, yeah, this play is

671
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Speaker 1: an homage to Larry King the days when I used

672
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Speaker 1: to listen to him on the radio in the middle

673
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Speaker 1: of the night, which means this play that he wrote

674
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: is quite literally. Whoever this Tobe person was just like

675
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: calling up Larry Ins and saying these things to him.

676
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: And if you guys want to read an excerpt from

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Speaker 1: the play, h Greg, we need you to help to

678
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: publicize our play. We've been trying to get our organization

679
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: together to raise money to be able to hire republic

680
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: relations from like Wells and Jacoby to publicize organization. When

681
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: are we going to get the money I I don't

682
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: know to publicize. Yeah. In the movie Too Without and

683
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Speaker 1: the one based on the writings of Arnold Toynbee, they

684
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Speaker 1: speak of the plan. Excuse me, excuse me. But the

685
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: movie two thousand one was based on the writing and

686
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Speaker 1: the old human life is is is made of molecules

687
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Speaker 1: based on the writing of Arthur C. Clark All human, No, Greg, Look,

688
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: if you examine what it was based on the writings

689
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Speaker 1: of Arthur C. Clark, Greg, no, we have the well

690
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: go on, Greg. In the writings of Arnold Toynbee, he

691
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: discusses a plan whereby all human life could be easily

692
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Speaker 1: reconstituted onto the planet Jupiter. So you see here the

693
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: whole idea is right there. And David Man his play, no,

694
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Speaker 1: I mean clearly based on the chronology of events here

695
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: that this little play snippet was the influence for whatever

696
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: odd human did these things. Well, no, no, the play

697
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: was based on the actual guy who called in. He

698
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: called in Larry King apparently in the early eighties, and

699
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: then even'am it heard it and then wrote something very

700
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: similar to it, if not almost verbatim to what ma'am

701
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: It says that he made the whole thing up with

702
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: his brain mind, and that there was no actual call

703
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: that described the contents of his play. Be that as

704
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: it may. We just read an excerpt of the actual play.

705
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: But maybe, ma'am, it's full of it. I mean, maybe he's,

706
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: you know, based on like if he wrote this in

707
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: eighty THREEES in mid eighties, and isn't like that when

708
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: the first tiles started popping up the call, the Larry

709
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: King call comes from nineties, so this would be around

710
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: this time. And yeah, this is and ma'am it said,

711
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: it's when he used to listen to Larry King late

712
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: at night. So it's probably one of those things like,

713
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 1: you know, half half awake, half asleep, he's like listening

714
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: to Larry King falling falling asleep to it. It's like, oh, man,

715
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Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm getting these crazy thoughts about

716
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: Jupiter and Toynbee, but this is great. I'm gonna write.

717
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: This thing's just so speci scythic. Yeah, you know what

718
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 1: I mean. If it's if it was something a little

719
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: more stylized, whereas like people are being reincarnated or being

720
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: reborn in space yeah, you know, but Jupiter, it's Arnold Toynbee,

721
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: who is not commonly referenced in most day to day

722
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: associated with this kind of thing. Yeah, you know, it's

723
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: the old question which came first, the moment player the

724
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: Tobe title. Yep, yep, that's the original version. The world

725
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: may never know, but we have some conclusions here. So

726
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: the person who created these titles, whoever it was or is,

727
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: believed that Toynbee provided the instructions to resurrect a deceased person,

728
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: and that these instructions were the key to rebirth, not

729
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: just for that individual, but for every single human being

730
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: on this happy little planet of ours. Well, yeah, and

731
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: they at least believed it enough to spend a whole

732
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: lot of time and energy. I would say a good

733
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: amount of their life's energy is obsessive. Yes on on

734
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: that singular idea um, And we're the documentary pulls a

735
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: quote that we're going to quote here from Toynbee, and

736
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: it comes from his writings and experiences, and it says,

737
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: when after death the body dissolves into its physical elements,

738
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: these elements themselves are not annihilated. They are continuing to

739
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: exist as parts of the physical universe though no longer

740
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: in this form, which makes sense right, yeah, sort of

741
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: we are made of star stuff. Yea, your carbon breaks down,

742
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: but that carbon is still there. So the people who

743
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: created the documentary, which again is excellent and worth well

744
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: worth watching. Uh, they end with a conclusion where wherein

745
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: they are convinced that they have solved the mystery of

746
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: the toy be tiles um And I'm not completely I'm

747
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: not utterly convinced yet, because I would want to. I

748
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: would to have it either completely confirmed or to the

749
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: earlier point from the guide stones. Let the mystery be

750
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: a mystery. It's pretty cool, and I don't think I

751
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that other people,

752
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: perhaps some of you listening today, would start making your own.

753
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: And not only that, he also or this person or

754
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: this group of people also believe that Stanley Kubick and

755
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: Arthur C. Clark then took these instructions and used them

756
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: to inform the plot, specifically the ending like the last

757
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: ten or eleven minutes of two thousand and one A

758
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: Space Odyssey, which you know what an idea? I mean,

759
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: you can't come up with this kind of stuff, well

760
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: said and we hope you enjoyed this exploration. We'd also

761
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: like to thank the illustrious Matt Riddle. Thank you Matt

762
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: Riddle and everybody else who wrote into us about these

763
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: tiles for finally for finally getting us to do this.

764
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: We have a long list of things that we want

765
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: to cover and uh we we try to get to

766
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: it all eventually. And speaking of listeners, just like you,

767
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's time for shout at corners. Yes,

768
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: shout out corner, and our first shout out of the

769
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: day goes to Ryan Penn and Josh Brumbaugh, who visited

770
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: the office yesterday from Maryland. Ryan made us sign his

771
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: shirt that's true, tested that and he took a selfie

772
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: with Scully. Uh. And Josh was also cool. They were

773
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: he was super cool, fellows. Yeah, super cool. Thanks for

774
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: thanks for dropping by, guys, um and we did we

775
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: did check in advance before before they left, uh, to

776
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: make sure we could use their last names on the air,

777
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: because ordinarily, you know, we're not going to compromise somebody

778
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: that way unless you're cool with it. Our second shout

779
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: out comes from Christopher W. Who says, good afternoon, gentlemen,

780
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: just a quick note regarding why Stalin had such a

781
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: huge badger in his bag? How did that become the

782
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: catchphrase about Hitler and wanting him alive? Shortly after consolidating

783
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: his power, Hitler approached Stalin with a non agg ushing

784
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: pack and a plan to divide Eastern Europe up between

785
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: them once Germany conquered Europe. As long as Stalin didn't

786
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: have it didn't interfere. Stalin, for some reason trusted Hitler,

787
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: signed the pack and assumed he could sit back and

788
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: watch the capitalist world burn. But when Hitler launched Operation Barbarosas,

789
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: Stalin was infuriated. Not only had Hitler lied to him,

790
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: but he had believed him. That's why U S British

791
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: forces were ordered to stay back and allow the Soviets

792
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,959
Speaker 1: to take Berlin. Stalin insisted upon his retribution. Who wanted

793
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: Hitler captured alive and having brought to the USSR to

794
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: face Stalin's wrath personally. And there's a conspiracy theory that

795
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: holds this actually happened, and Stalin kept Hitler alive for years,

796
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: torturing him. A very well researched, yet sadly out of

797
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: print novel called The Burkoot explores the theory quite well,

798
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: even though it goes down a little off the rails

799
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: at some points, and I think that's a great recommendation.

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00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: Christopher also asked, what's the deal with Plumb Island off

801
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: the tip of Long Island. There's definitely stuff there they

802
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 1: don't want us to know. Thanks so much for writing, Chris.

803
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to look into finding a copy of that

804
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: book because it sounds pretty interesting, And honestly, Stalin sounds

805
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: like the type of DUDEY would be into that. Wasn't

806
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: that the island that Hannibal Lecter wanted to live on

807
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: in Silence of the Lambs? Is it Plumb Island? So?

808
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that. That's interesting. It's been.

809
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: It's been featured on several popular conspiracy shows. Yeah, he

810
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: has Plumb Island, that's what he says, Plumb Island. No, yes,

811
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: that's where as a term of his helping the FBI

812
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: and their investigation, he gets them to agree to relocate

813
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: him to Plumb Island, where he will be able to

814
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: have a window but he can see a tree. Oh

815
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: I remember that. So was it a like a prison? No? No,

816
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: it's just a weird little island. Oh God that he

817
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: that there's like an inhabited or something. That was the point.

818
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,959
Speaker 1: And our last shout out comes from Reese, who says, Hi, guys,

819
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: I love your podcast. You're awesome. Thank you very much

820
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: for saying that, and I'm really happy that you're starting

821
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: to do live shows. I would suggest coming to Wisconsin,

822
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: particularly Milwaukee or Madison. Thanks and keep it up, or

823
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: as the Algonquins called it, millie Wauque, which means the

824
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: good land very nice. I learned that from Alice Cooper

825
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: in Wayne's World, the movie. Well, we would love to

826
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: visit you in Milliwaukee. That would be that would be fun. Yeah,

827
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: and we want to thank everybody's been sending in suggestions

828
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Speaker 1: of places to go. We've got our eyes on it,

829
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: so keep letting us know where you would like to

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00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: have us visit. Next This concludes ours, but not our show.

831
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: We're heading off to dig deeper into more conspiracy theories.

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00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: We will be back next week in the time. Let

833
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: us know what you think about the Toynbee tiles. Do

834
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: you think the mystery solved? Are you the creator? Are

835
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: you in the minority Association? Were you a longtime member?

836
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: Like what are the dues like for the Minority Association,

837
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: Are you the person who had to do the typing?

838
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: Let us know? Yes, do, please let us know. You

839
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: can find Matt Nolan myself on Instagram. You can find

840
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: us on Facebook. You can also find us on Twitter.

841
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: We are a conspiracy Stuff and Conspiracy Stuff show. And

842
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: if you have an idea that you think your fellow

843
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: listeners would love to hear, dare I say need to hear,

844
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: then we are all ears and you don't have to

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Speaker 1: just stick to social media. You can write to us directly.

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Speaker 1: We are conspiracy at how stuff Works dot