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<v Speaker 1>The Black Fat Felm Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio

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<v Speaker 1>and Doctor Sean Paul LLC. Hey, everyone, welcome to another

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the Black Stuff Film Podcast, where all the

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<v Speaker 1>intersections of identity are celebrated. I am John also known

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<v Speaker 1>as Doctor John Paul, and in one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three episodes, I have never yelled at a girl like this?

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<v Speaker 1>How dare you Bojangles? So storytime, Chris, can you go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and put some music behind the storytime? Use the

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<v Speaker 1>mo music, the use the so so. Me and a

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<v Speaker 1>friend to the show Travail. Last week we went to

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<v Speaker 1>bo Jangles as you both, as everybody knows Me and

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<v Speaker 1>Travell both were perusing around creating change, and so we

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<v Speaker 1>decided one of the days that we both didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>none of you were like, let's go get somebody. So

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<v Speaker 1>we went to Bojangles because they just opened it in

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas, Nevada. Oh and for those that don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Bojangles is like starting to take over like the West Coasters. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>like so they opened I think there's one that is

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<v Speaker 1>finally open in Las Vegas. But they also have another

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<v Speaker 1>location that they're getting ready to open in Las Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>and then from what I understand, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how real or true this is, but they're saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess like two or three are supposed to open

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<v Speaker 1>in LA in the next couple of months. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we decided to go to the one in Las Vegas,

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<v Speaker 1>and girl, we got in line and as me and

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<v Speaker 1>Treval were looking at the menu, I'm looking for the

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<v Speaker 1>chicken chicken, right like, I'm looking for the chicken because

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<v Speaker 1>I believe their chicken is the best chicken. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they only have the audacity to have tenders, only chicken tenders.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris insert a gas Yes, well.

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<v Speaker 2>When you say that, you mean like they was out

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<v Speaker 2>of the chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they they don't make it. They don't make it, girl,

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<v Speaker 1>they only make tenders. And I just I said, not

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<v Speaker 1>only like like not one piece of chicken on the bone,

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<v Speaker 1>like the way I wanted to And the gag was

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<v Speaker 1>the line was hell along like the like the drive

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<v Speaker 1>through line was long, the inside line was long, and

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to leave. I was like, if I would

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<v Speaker 1>have known, I wouldn't have been so amped about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I literally would have went somewhere else. But anyway, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>first wall problems first world problems. But my god, I

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<v Speaker 1>just I definitely need Like I wanted to put my

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<v Speaker 1>Karen Wig on and say I want to speak to

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<v Speaker 1>the manager, but you know, we were already there. There

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing we could do about it, so I just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to go ahead and just say, like, for my

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<v Speaker 1>West Coast folks who have never been to Buljangles, please

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<v Speaker 1>do not let that be a representation of what I

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<v Speaker 1>believe is the best chicken in the world. If you are,

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<v Speaker 1>if you are from Atlanta, from South Carolina, from North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>any of the Carolinas, any of the South, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how good Buljegles really is. And it's just it's a shame.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a shame show we didn't get to celebrate the

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<v Speaker 1>chicken the way that we deserve to be. Anyway, girl,

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<v Speaker 1>enough of my ramblings about chicken.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you, girl? Fam Hey Joho, And first I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to say I'm sorry for your loss. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sorry that the West Coast Jangles did not do you

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<v Speaker 2>did the digit dirty? Not? Do you write? And you

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<v Speaker 2>know I I wouldn't. I would if they have it

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<v Speaker 2>in New Orleans because I'm going to New Orleans in

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<v Speaker 2>May and I I'm I haven't had but jingles yet.

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<v Speaker 2>You talked about a lot, and now I'm now I

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<v Speaker 2>have to go to an East coast one. The West

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<v Speaker 2>coast one is not is not giving with what you're giving.

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<v Speaker 2>So I am so sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>What I will say is you you mentioning New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to do a waffle house. It's not the

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<v Speaker 1>best experience, but it is bomb. But go but go out, yea.

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<v Speaker 2>I will. Oh, I'm gonna do everything I can. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing everything I can. I'm gonna get my whole ass

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<v Speaker 2>life there. And besides that, I'm here to tell y'all

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<v Speaker 2>your listeners, take the mental health Day. Just take it.

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<v Speaker 2>And Trump's America. You need a girl, Tell your boss

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<v Speaker 2>you need the day, Take a bosh, you need the week.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about to tell mine to just take the mental

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<v Speaker 2>health Day, y'all. I know, I know, I know you

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<v Speaker 2>see he listen to this like no, I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have the time, So I'll task to do.

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<v Speaker 2>The task will be there tomorrow, task will be there

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<v Speaker 2>next month, but you may not be if you if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't the little health day, girl, take it now,

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<v Speaker 2>because I am, I am this close and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>see my fingers, y'all, but they are they are not,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's sent them in your part. I am this

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<v Speaker 2>close to a mentv y'all need to take the day. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>take the damn day. Take the day to day. M girl. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>AnyWho In tradition, to celebrate our famous, famous, favorite famous girl,

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<v Speaker 2>Miss Tishy Campbell and the fact that somehow, against all odds,

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<v Speaker 2>we are still here even though we're we're about to

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<v Speaker 2>get legislate out of existence. I want to I want

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<v Speaker 2>to start off the show by asking what's something the

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<v Speaker 2>current you, what's something in this current moment? The old

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<v Speaker 2>you was proud of the current you. Four Okay, old me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's proud of current me for not letting myself water

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<v Speaker 2>down my feelings. Amen. Amen. But I used to be

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<v Speaker 2>a oh it's fine type of bitch m hm some

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<v Speaker 2>of my feelings or said something pocket out of the

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<v Speaker 2>bitch that's like, oh it's fine, it's no problem, when

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<v Speaker 2>it was in fact a problem, te and current me

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<v Speaker 2>is like, actually, no, it is a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And I I appreciate you trying to, you know, officially

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<v Speaker 2>trying to give me an apology, but ash, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do think this accountability, accountability. What you won't do anymore

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<v Speaker 2>is me looking at the fool. Is that okay? With

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<v Speaker 2>an atrocious ayes apology? What you're gonna do is is

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<v Speaker 2>is get some get some restoration, or we're gonna give

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<v Speaker 2>me some justice. I ain't got no time, not even

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<v Speaker 2>sitting here like no, it's totally fine. I don't mind all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really it's actually my fault. It was not my fault. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually not my fault, fault, it was actually not

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<v Speaker 2>my problem, my fault, my problem with my worry. It's

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<v Speaker 2>actually your worry. And now it's a problem. And now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be a problem for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Amen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just how it's gonna be. I'm tired of I'm

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<v Speaker 2>tired of myself done. I'm gonna hide myself up and say,

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<v Speaker 2>next time you fuck with the bitch, you fuck with

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<v Speaker 2>the bull, bitch, you gonna get the horns.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta get the horns.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what this reminds me of. So there's the

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<v Speaker 1>give slash meme of a young young black woman. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what her name is. I see her everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's from New York and there's like a moment

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<v Speaker 1>where you see her walk through a door and she's like, so, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, Actually, now that I think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little pissed off. Yes, that's what that's giving

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<v Speaker 1>me of like when you when you used to be

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<v Speaker 1>that girl to be like, oh that's okay, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a problem, and then just after a while

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<v Speaker 1>you start thinking about, actually, you know what, that did

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<v Speaker 1>piss me off? And I'm actually gonna talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>about it because I'm not gonna let it eat me up.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that's right. I know that's right, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, I'll say this, I had a moment

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend where I easily could have flew off the

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<v Speaker 1>handle and the currently handled it.

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<v Speaker 3>Why can't you just said confid once the flying up

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<v Speaker 3>the handle. I hope you're happy. I hope you're happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Jesus, yeah, very much. I was even thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>that when I wrote down. But ultimately, and that's that

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<v Speaker 1>that also goes to the show. I hope that you

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<v Speaker 1>get Yeah, I hope you are happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Handy, you're happy?

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<v Speaker 1>Man? Yes, yes, yes, yes, I watch that again just

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<v Speaker 1>to put myself in a happy place. But no, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, it gooped me like it gooped like there

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<v Speaker 1>was like it was almost like I felt like I

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<v Speaker 1>split myself in half and I could feel the other

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan getting ready to lose it, and the other mean

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<v Speaker 1>was like no, no, no, let's just go ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>handle this in a good way. And I walked away

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<v Speaker 1>from it. I said, damn, really grown. Like it was

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<v Speaker 1>like one of those moments where I was standing in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the elevator in my hotel and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm really really proud of myself. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was like the old me looked at me and

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't know this, bitch. Yes, it was

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<v Speaker 1>just and it was over something that I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk too much about it. But again, I used

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<v Speaker 1>to be that girl that was notorious for flying off

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<v Speaker 1>the edge and being like I was ready to go

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<v Speaker 1>off on anybody and everybody for anything and everything. And

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<v Speaker 1>in this moment that was like the first real time

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<v Speaker 1>that I caught myself feeling like, no, handle this in

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<v Speaker 1>a very you know, adult I'm not gonna say like

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<v Speaker 1>not grown, but handle this in an adult way.

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<v Speaker 2>Solved.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's still like, like I said, it's just especially

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<v Speaker 1>with how everything feels and how everything is. I told myself,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you don't want to add to you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to add to it, right, Like I think everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>on edge already and so it's like you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to add that. So yeah, I just, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I was literally really really proud of me, Like when

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<v Speaker 1>I like when I took my shower and I laid

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<v Speaker 1>down in my bed and I turned on my iPad

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<v Speaker 1>to watch my Netflix, Like I genuinely was just looking

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<v Speaker 1>at myself in the reflection of my iPad screen and

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<v Speaker 1>was like that, You're proud of you for how you handle.

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<v Speaker 2>You're doing a good job, a good Yes, that's exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what it's giving.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm proud of you for you have you for you. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>as we as we belted out, WICKI texted and said,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna get sue for that for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because she heard she.

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<v Speaker 4>Said she said, said that's a copyright yeah, because I

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<v Speaker 4>know what some amount of second yeah yeah, yeah, either way,

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<v Speaker 4>I know what.

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<v Speaker 2>She said about that. She said, she said, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuit girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Not having their ear pressed to the door.

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<v Speaker 2>She is, she is my pr manager. So she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what we're not gonna do is get you twisted in this sky?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, my god, who been well?

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<v Speaker 2>Now that we have to celebrate what we've been and

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<v Speaker 2>how far we have come, My God, because we have

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<v Speaker 2>come so far, copyrights be damned. We're gonna take a

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<v Speaker 2>short break. When we get back. We're gonna get into

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<v Speaker 2>some verbal voguing. Baby, but what I'll see into this

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<v Speaker 2>week's category. We'll be back in just a second.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God, all right, y'all, So this week we are back.

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<v Speaker 1>And what what I think? So I'll say this our listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>and whether you're new or old, you probably think we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take this conversation in the way you know we

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<v Speaker 1>normally would, But we're not. I wanted to chat this

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<v Speaker 1>week about something that I think everyone in their mama

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<v Speaker 1>is talking about, but I wanted to kind of put

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<v Speaker 1>a spin on it, just because I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want this conversation to be the old, redundant way,

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<v Speaker 1>like like, yes, we could sit here for like what

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty minutes talking about DEI and these models and

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<v Speaker 1>you know the importance and why we need them and

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah blah blah. But me and for those

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<v Speaker 1>of you who may not who may be living under

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<v Speaker 1>a rock. There's been a lot of companies, specifically companies

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<v Speaker 1>we know and love, that have given DEI the boot,

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<v Speaker 1>And while I think it would be important for us

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<v Speaker 1>to go through that and to talk through that, I

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<v Speaker 1>actually just kind of been putting this together, and me

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<v Speaker 1>and Joe Hoop, we're talking about this, you know, prior

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<v Speaker 1>to us recording it was, you know, we really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about something else. So I wanted to ask

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<v Speaker 1>the question this week, knowing what we know about DEI

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<v Speaker 1>and folks getting rid of it, I wanted to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of put a spin on it and talk about capitalism

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<v Speaker 1>and performative inclusion, and I wanted to chat surviving capitalism

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<v Speaker 1>as an intersectional queer. So with that being said, now

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<v Speaker 1>some of you are probably thinking, or you're probably you've

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<v Speaker 1>probably heard you probably hear this, and you're like, capitalism

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<v Speaker 1>and being an intersectional court, what the fuck? Like, what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell does that mean? And what I mean is

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<v Speaker 1>is that I think we have made mentioned several times

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<v Speaker 1>on the show that we believe that how we got here,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically in twenty twenty five is mainly because of capitalism,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I kind of wanted to like throw that

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<v Speaker 1>out as kind of of a thought of like, how

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<v Speaker 1>did we get to this point of these companies getting

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<v Speaker 1>rid of all of this stuff, and how like capitalism

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<v Speaker 1>fed into that, and then talking through kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>really just having a real conversation about like this moment

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<v Speaker 1>as much as everyone's focusing on, oh, this man in

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<v Speaker 1>office is doing this and these companies are doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>how all of this kind of ties back to a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger issue around capitalism. And I think that's something we've

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<v Speaker 1>never really addressed on the show. And so yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to tell if you have any thoughts before

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of jump into, you know, kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>education of it all.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I want to name capitalism and consumerism go

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<v Speaker 2>hand in hand. I think we're int to note that

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<v Speaker 2>capitalism is the system that drives our economy. I could

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<v Speaker 2>one going through frame it as our why where it's

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<v Speaker 2>consumerism is our expression of participation in that system, or

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<v Speaker 2>could be seen as our how right like our wise

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<v Speaker 2>capitalism or how it is consumerism. And I think another

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<v Speaker 2>reason why I think we arrived here is because our

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<v Speaker 2>country has been obsessed with being the richest at the

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<v Speaker 2>cost of our own people. Because to our country money

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<v Speaker 2>is our is our one of our expressions of power.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we can increase capital or our money, we

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<v Speaker 2>can create a society where big companies run everything and

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<v Speaker 2>we can inflex our power to everybody else. We also

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<v Speaker 2>manipulate people who live in this system to constantly consume

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<v Speaker 2>so they can articulate their own power and standing in

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<v Speaker 2>the mimistry that they too are a quote unquote forced

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<v Speaker 2>to be reckoned with via their participation in capitalism. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's a gross system that prioritizes individualism over everything. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no sense of community systems, which I want to name

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<v Speaker 2>because if we're talking about, you know, how we survive

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<v Speaker 2>as queer people, right, community is rooted in our culture

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<v Speaker 2>as queer people, and this system is inherently empathetical to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I okay, so so you know this. The segment's over.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we don't even I'm just kidding, Like, no, you

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<v Speaker 1>you really? Yes, you you said what needed to be said.

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<v Speaker 1>It really and wow, damn, Like I looking at your

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts and hearing you say that, it really brings to

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<v Speaker 1>mind like a lot of I wouldn't say the issues

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<v Speaker 1>I have, but the moments of when like like as

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<v Speaker 1>much as it's nice to have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>coin and to be able to pay your bills and

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to help your community. Right. And we

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<v Speaker 1>talked a lot about this, maybe two episodes ago, right

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<v Speaker 1>when we were talking about yeah yeah, where we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the eating fires and community and the need to

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<v Speaker 1>help everybody, right, there's still this element of capitalism even

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<v Speaker 1>in that because you know, as you all probably know now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been almost a few weeks, the fires are still burning.

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<v Speaker 1>There are still fires burning in southern California, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>now you have these people that are you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out how they're going to put their

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<v Speaker 1>lives back together. And now there are companies that are

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<v Speaker 1>swooping in that are saying, hey, we want your land.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll give you this this amount of money for you

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<v Speaker 1>to sell your home to us. And it's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even process the pain of losing my home before

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<v Speaker 1>having to worry about all of the dollar value of

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<v Speaker 1>it all. Right, So it just a lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>does feel gross. And I think that's been the thing that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, while I'm answering my own question, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it is so important for us to understand and really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stand behind this notion of the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>these big businesses and I say big business, and what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean by that is not just like housing. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about all of these businesses, specifically the businesses that

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<v Speaker 1>we see that are stepping away from DEI practices or

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<v Speaker 1>that are ultimately saying, let's turn down quote unquote, let's

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<v Speaker 1>turn down the identity politics in this work. They're doing

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<v Speaker 1>that because they recognize that to purport themselves as socially

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<v Speaker 1>aware also has a bottom line too, right, the bottom line.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we really talk about all of this, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the thing that I often tell people right to

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<v Speaker 1>your point, Joho, it's all about power, right, It's all

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<v Speaker 1>a power It's a power game. Right. And so if

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<v Speaker 1>you can, if you can make the most money as

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<v Speaker 1>a company, and I tell people this all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>it is expensive to do the right thing. That is

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<v Speaker 1>what we're seeing right now. Companies are not divesting from DEI,

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<v Speaker 1>not exclusively because they don't care about pleap. They never

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<v Speaker 1>cared about us in the first place. They never cared

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<v Speaker 1>about black people, they never cared about LATINX people, they

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<v Speaker 1>never cared about queer people. They don't care. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>is is that in order for you to do the

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<v Speaker 1>right thing as a company you have, it's gonna cost

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<v Speaker 1>you a lot of cash. It's gonna cost you a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of mullah paola. And in this world, there is

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<v Speaker 1>no equitable way to make money or stay rich unless

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<v Speaker 1>you recognize that being rich is about upholding a certain

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<v Speaker 1>level of privilege and access. So that's the thing I

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<v Speaker 1>think I kind of really wanted to get into. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know you have some thoughts about this, Joe hoo

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<v Speaker 1>Wright specifically naming that a lot of the capitalism that

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<v Speaker 1>we see a lot of you know, these companies are saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna roll back the DEI of it all that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's just racism. It's built totally on racism.

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<v Speaker 1>It's built on a system of racism. And ultimately, I

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<v Speaker 1>can I just say this on the mic and then

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'll let you go. I was sitting with

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<v Speaker 1>this the other day and I just was going, like,

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<v Speaker 1>we like, I think we keep forgetting to name that

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<v Speaker 1>just this entire it's not even just our country, this

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<v Speaker 1>entire world is racist. And and and I'm not laughing

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<v Speaker 1>because it's funny. I'm laughing because I'm just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know where I don't like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why we're wasting so much air on and talking

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<v Speaker 1>about like, oh, these companies are doing I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>shop at targeting. Maybe everybody's racist. Everything is built on racism, period,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like I don't even know why people are

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<v Speaker 1>surprised but not don't let me, don't let me get

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<v Speaker 1>into my head about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're right, American capitalism was a built on

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<v Speaker 2>racial exploitation, right, Yeah, enslavement black folks to institualized discrimination,

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<v Speaker 2>and that structural impact our nation's economic and legal systems.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's all, it's all racist. There's an art whole

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<v Speaker 2>by her name is Elizabeth Kennedy for Pro Market As

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<v Speaker 2>focuses on the headline is to build the eclabo economy,

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<v Speaker 2>we must understand capitalisms racist heritage, right, they write, creating

0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.320
<v Speaker 2>anical society requires us to examine understanding the history of

0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.840
<v Speaker 2>capitalism and its reliance on racialized oppression. There's this other

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<v Speaker 2>part in the in the which talks about like like

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<v Speaker 2>the the has about the upbringings of it. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>another line that says other countries cannot compete with a

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<v Speaker 2>nation that couldified a cast of workers as non human

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<v Speaker 2>and legalized violance as a management technique. So like so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so like the idea of making bodies as commodities,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly black bodies, other immigrant bodies as commodities and legalizing

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<v Speaker 2>station lines against them as a way of management like

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely fueled our like like our our rise of capitalism.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also another quote end that says whether capitalism could

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<v Speaker 2>exist without racism ignores as as a story. Walter Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>affirms that there was no such thing as without slavery,

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<v Speaker 2>like like they actuallygnize this could it whether it exist

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<v Speaker 2>or not without without racism now does not do the

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<v Speaker 2>like still has to it still has to be present

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<v Speaker 2>to the fact that there's capitalism when I is this

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<v Speaker 2>without slavery in the first place?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, which it yeah, to your point, and so if

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<v Speaker 1>we really really want to unpack that, right the dei

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<v Speaker 1>of it? All Right, everyone's like, oh okay, well, you know,

0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:28.840
<v Speaker 1>black and brown and marginalized people are not being given

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<v Speaker 1>the jobs. And there's a part of me that like,

0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.520
<v Speaker 1>here's that and kind of goes good because if we

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<v Speaker 1>really think about it, right, like, if we're talking about

0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.879
<v Speaker 1>capitalism as slavery. A lot of you've heard black people,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically black women, for years say I got this big

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<v Speaker 1>girl job, and I've gotten this job and everything fell

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<v Speaker 1>on me. So now it becomes my job to do

0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.119
<v Speaker 1>everybody else's job. And and you know, in the in

0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the organization or the company. So like the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>and again, I'm not saying that we shouldn't have any

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<v Speaker 1>practices in our companies. That's not what I'm saying. What

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is is that there is this idea that

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<v Speaker 1>and and and it's frustrating because it's also too. Like

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<v Speaker 1>someone had posted and I know, I'm all over the

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<v Speaker 1>place because you have a million thoughts. I saw someone

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<v Speaker 1>post that white women your DEI too, and it was yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you are.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry before nineteen before before what you're the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds were you're not able to work yourself? Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>you are actually the recipient of original d irat not

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<v Speaker 2>just like that's how it was girl. Unfortunately you all,

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<v Speaker 2>you too were part of this process, whether you want

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<v Speaker 2>to be or not, it's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I mean, hell, you couldn't even vote up

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<v Speaker 1>until nineteen fifty. So like I'm just I'm saying like

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's there's a lot of of there's so

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<v Speaker 1>many pieces and so many layers to this, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just think for me, like you know, when I question

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<v Speaker 1>about how are we surviving as an intersectional queer? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know somebody probably were I know, we're probably

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get emails with questions of like, well, what do

0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:11.840
<v Speaker 1>we do? Like what like what can we do? What

0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:13.880
<v Speaker 1>do we do? How do how do we work through

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<v Speaker 1>this right of knowing? Like you know, But but I

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<v Speaker 1>think for me, and this is the thing I just said, like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's no equitable way to be like to consume

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<v Speaker 1>like that. That's just and it's and I guess that's

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why what I wanted to bring to the mic,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think, you know, I see all these people

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<v Speaker 1>that are saying, oh, I'm not going to shop at

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Target and I'm not going to shop here, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to shop there because they're not And I'm like, baby,

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:39.840
<v Speaker 1>even without the even if they had all of the

0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:45.600
<v Speaker 1>best d I practices, they are still participating in capitalism

0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and there's still no equitable way to do that. So

0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:51.600
<v Speaker 1>my thing becomes like even if you say, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to give them my money because I want

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:54.439
<v Speaker 1>to make sure my money is going to the right

0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:58.840
<v Speaker 1>place I'm going. Baby, how everybody is participating in this

0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:02.720
<v Speaker 1>system in a very, very gross way, because that is

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<v Speaker 1>how the system is built. The entire system is built

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<v Speaker 1>for it to not be equitable. So you know, no

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.920
<v Speaker 1>matter what you're saying, Like even even like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>even if they did uphold their DEI practices and continue

0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:17.480
<v Speaker 1>to do so, there are still upholding systems of discrimination

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 1>and the ways in which business feeds into that. There's

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<v Speaker 1>like there's just no So I guess that's a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I ask you, do you believe that there is

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<v Speaker 1>an equitable way for anybody to consume? Okay, we ask

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<v Speaker 1>your big questions today?

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<v Speaker 2>Well like girl giving me? Okay? So yeah, so like

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so one thing, it's okay, So I love

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<v Speaker 2>this question. One thing I'm thinking about as well is

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to hark back to everyone's upset with

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 2>these organs, with these big b what about their DA policies,

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<v Speaker 2>because I also I want to be I want to

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 2>be clear, let us be clear in this moment of

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:09.720
<v Speaker 2>like of like what's also happening and why? Right, Like

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:13.639
<v Speaker 2>many of these companies roll back their DIA policies after

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:17.960
<v Speaker 2>after the court ruling in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 2>three that that basically ended a formative action, right like

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 2>many of them did. That wile of action is its

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:30.959
<v Speaker 2>impacting like essentially essentially di I in schools. A lot

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:34.159
<v Speaker 2>of businesses are worried that this that this like like

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:37.679
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the reasons why whether whether these companies

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 2>want to want to do or not, right, like, part

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 2>of it is because it's being it's being it's being illegalized.

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 2>And so if they continue to do these things, then

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 2>like they can get sued and then they they could

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 2>like some organizations will say we'll take the hit, and

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 2>that's great, right, some businesses are not our seg we

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 2>can't do the hit because we're like them will close

0:25:57.359 --> 0:25:59.480
<v Speaker 2>all our banches across the across the country the world,

0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 2>right and then no will have access to this place.

0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 2>So like so I use that just as like not

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 2>as a not to give businesses a pass. So not

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:09.640
<v Speaker 2>like I'm not saying the past, but I also want

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.440
<v Speaker 2>to be but like like like it's not it's not

0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 2>just that Seals woke up and Dane said, oh thank god,

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Trump's here, we can just roll this ship back. It's

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:20.120
<v Speaker 2>it's also kind of the to to cover their own

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:22.959
<v Speaker 2>ass in some ways. And so I think you put

0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:26.680
<v Speaker 2>about echoable consumerism. I think like at the at the

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:30.920
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, many of these organizations still many

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.439
<v Speaker 2>many these businesses, Like, for example, I saw there's an

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 2>interesting point about Target. Right, a lot of people were like,

0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 2>fuck Target, let's boycot Target. But there are a lot

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 2>of people who were also like, Okay, but there are

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 2>still great black owned brands or minory own brands who

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 2>still rely on their partnership with Target for their income.

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 2>And that partnership with partnership like requires people to go

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>to go buy their stuff too. Right now, I think

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 2>emitable consumerism would look like how is there a direct

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 2>line to that brand instead?

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.639
<v Speaker 2>Like, like, I think the issue is that maybe Target

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:13.360
<v Speaker 2>should not be the middle person involved. But Target also

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 2>has had the resources to increase their production, have the

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:18.399
<v Speaker 2>resources to get their brand out there and give them

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:21.360
<v Speaker 2>much stronger brandanity. Right, So, what are ways in which

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 2>in which we can also like, we can also do

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.159
<v Speaker 2>that and and I and I and I juxtapose this

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:32.399
<v Speaker 2>right with with Ranchesca Ramsey's you know just because the

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 2>last last episode, but with her point of just just

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 2>because being as a minority own does not mean that's

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:41.879
<v Speaker 2>that's that's inherently great. And so I think, right with

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.360
<v Speaker 2>them of equable consumerism, we have to think of how

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 2>do we support like our people in distributing great products

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>one right, how do we support those products that maybe

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 2>cut out a middle person who like like like who

0:27:57.840 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 2>can who?

0:27:59.400 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 2>I think the issues that target probably gives them money

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 2>up up up front, right, and so they can build

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.639
<v Speaker 2>the business versus with people like then they have to

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 2>build the business in a slow way with like slow

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:14.479
<v Speaker 2>income from us, right, or prices really really high as

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 2>well too, Like that's the other part is like having

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 2>a Boers is also hard because like, let's be honest.

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 2>You go, let's be honest, y'all. You go to a

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 2>nicety restaurant that's farm a table and the prices are

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 2>thirty bucks for play dinner, and you're like, I'm not

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 2>paying the bucks to this play dinner, right, Like we

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:34.920
<v Speaker 2>also are like mad about, well, we gotta spend twenty

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 2>money on stuff?

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:35.639
<v Speaker 1>I know.

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I'm like, is this play of chicken worth thirty

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 2>bucks just just to support my heart, right yeah, like yeah,

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 2>that is it that worth it? You know, cause soty

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 2>bucks can go a long way some days I can

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 2>give me two rounds to talk about with this or something,

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 2>you know. And so I think like partly part of this, truthfully,

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 2>part of this is also your own mindset. Like, right,

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 2>I think people, we're seeing that the systems around us,

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 2>the systems runners are not built for eble echable consumerism, and.

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I and it's intentional. That's intentional.

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.920
<v Speaker 2>And so I hate hate to put the onus on

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 2>us because I don't be because in the day, like

0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 2>and so and so, I think in one way, right,

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 2>like we can be responded, like people can't boycott Target

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 2>or Walmart at in the day, people rely on those

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 2>things one because it's the only place that is in

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 2>their area that they can access and reach. Right, the

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 2>onus is not on them to have to dismantle that system.

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>And in that at the same time, the onness also

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>is on us to figure out a different way to

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 2>participate in a different formal consumerism because we know that

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 2>the systems around us are not built on purpose by

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 2>design to embrace a lens of echable consumerism. So I

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 2>think your question, like, is there a way to do it?

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I honestly don't know how. I think part

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 2>of it comes down to how do you how do

0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 2>we invest? Well, let me rephrase, there is a way how,

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 2>but it requires a lot more risk from us than

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 2>there is reward. And I think in the day, as humans,

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 2>we're all hardwired to like have risk to have reward.

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 2>We all want the low dupamine hit because our or

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the culture that maybe not all humans, but Americans as

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 2>our culture, as our culture gives makes us do right.

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Our culture har wires us to say we want to

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 2>have the hit of pleasures and pleasure and instant graviication.

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:35.240
<v Speaker 2>And so are we willing to write like are we

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 2>willing to forsake Amazon Prime delivery in two days? And

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, like like and use this black owned marketplace

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.400
<v Speaker 2>brand instead too. But people don't want to sacrifice convenience,

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and so I think, like, it's just a really hard way.

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 2>I think I think consumerism only begins truly. I believe

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 2>it only begins in like smaller intentional communities, right, Like

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>I only see it how in farmer's markets. I see

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 2>it only happen in like in commune like style places, right,

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 2>like those places as models where you actually can begin

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 2>to practice the level of echeable consumerism. But it's a

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of work to do that as well too. It's

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of work to do that. So it's yeah,

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 2>it's hard, and I mean, obviously I don't have any

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 2>clear answer, and I'm not saying I want really clear

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying whether these things are right are wrong,

0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not trying to drag anybody like I'm dragging myself.

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 2>None of same thing. Like I also, to to fortake

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 2>convenience is really hard, right, But what I think about

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 2>a lot is like, right now, I live in a

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 2>place where can access many things by foot, and so

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 2>my privilege is that I can be a bit marketable

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>in my consumerism because I can walk to places, not

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 2>to dry to places or have things delivered. I can

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 2>walk and do those things myself, which is amazing. You know.

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 2>For example, right like John, like you like you live

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 2>in an area where you can't do that.

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:00.120
<v Speaker 1>You have to drive you to?

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you do?

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, and I mean you, oh my gosh, what

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>you just said is very much like I'm I'm fucking

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 1>with it so much because it's real it's and I

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>definitely want to say to your point, a lot of

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>this stuff is designed this like a lot of this

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 1>stuff is built this way by design, like it is

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 1>intentional because the thing is like, so, look like, so

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 1>let's let's talk about me for a second. Right, let

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>let me put myself out on front Street, because like

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I said, this year, we gonna be a lot more

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 1>forward about me per se and and and I feel

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 1>like being a little bit more vulnerable on this show

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 1>is really helping me kind of process some things. So

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 1>like me and my partner, we go, Okay, well we

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>want a bigger place, and we want this and we

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 1>want that, we want more space. Blah blah blah blah blah. Okay,

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>so we move into a bigger place. But now the

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>gag is everything around us. It takes fifteen to twenty

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 1>minutes to get you, so that means you have to

0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>have a car. But also on top of that, there

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 1>is no but there's no there is no outside of

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 1>a state of Brothers, and outside of maybe an Alberton's,

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 1>and outside of a Rouse, there is no there's nothing

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>else around me in order to quote unquote consume, right,

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 1>So I have to drive to Target. Sometimes to get

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 1>stuff for my hair, I have to drive to Target

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 1>to get you know, a shirt or some clothes, you know,

0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 1>if if I want to look cute for something, right,

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 1>like for my partners. You know, we had a like

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I said, I had a death in my family. What

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I wore too that event was And this is the

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 1>other gag of it all too. Let's talk about if

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>we really want to go there and this. These are

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>the things that I'm like I said, these are all

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>of the things that I'm constantly thinking about if I

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>want clothes, especially being a big girl, I can't just

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 1>walk into you know, a Forever twenty one or or

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 1>high a more high end company to find something to wear,

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>right like I have to. I have to order it

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and wait two to three weeks.

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 1>So, in this instance where I'm being asked to do

0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 1>this thing for the family member who passed away, I

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>need something I believe this is not used to wear.

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 1>So the only place I can go is Target because

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>there's a big girl line there.

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:08.320
<v Speaker 2>You want, you want ethical and echable consumerism, Give me

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 2>a fat bitch opportunities to body clothes five feet from

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 2>my house direct right directly.

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 1>It's all like all of this ship is is it?

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Like so I said, like if they're they're like you

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.279
<v Speaker 1>want to And this is the thing I'm really trying

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>to posit here. We want to do the right thing.

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 1>It's not like we're setting out to be a terrible

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 1>person every single day, like at least at least for me,

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.359
<v Speaker 1>for as for me and my household. I'm always trying

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:35.600
<v Speaker 1>to do what I believe is the least damage in

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>this world. Right, I'm trying not to harm anyone or

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 1>do harm in anything that I do. But the system

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 1>is so set up, and that's what I'm I guess

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm trying to say. Well, with putting myself

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:48.400
<v Speaker 1>out on front street, Yes, do do I want to

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>ignore Target? Yes? I I there there might be moments

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:53.360
<v Speaker 1>of me where I'm like fuck Target because of what

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:56.840
<v Speaker 1>they're doing or because of what they've done. But by design,

0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm set up to be like for Target to be

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.160
<v Speaker 1>that only line for me right now, because there's not

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.760
<v Speaker 1>even there, Like I said, there's no other place around

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>me at this point that I can drive to outside

0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 1>of a target. And especially and this is what I'm

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:16.399
<v Speaker 1>also talking about time, right, how many of us really

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 1>have the And so this is what I'm trying to

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>say too, because I know that there might be people

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:21.479
<v Speaker 1>that might be listening and being like John, you're looking

0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 1>for outs, You're looking for ways to talk about it

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:26.320
<v Speaker 1>as if you're not holding yourself accountable. And I'm going, Okay,

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 1>if I was to sit down and try to think

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:33.280
<v Speaker 1>about that, how like there's so much time in trying

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 1>to like and again, if it was easy, we'd all

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 1>be doing It's That's what I'm really trying to get at.

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 1>This shit is made this way intentionally for us to

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:43.759
<v Speaker 1>be like, well, we have to rely on Target, we

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 1>have to rely on Walmart, we have to rely on

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 1>this Amazon for things, because if we don't, if it's

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.880
<v Speaker 1>not done this way, then we're pretty much you know

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like, we're pretty It's made this way

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 1>in order for us to feed into it. That's literally

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>what I'm trying to say. And so the gag becomes like,

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>how do we figure out a way to disengage all

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff? And again, I don't want to ignore

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the DEI of it all, right, Like, yes, the DEI

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 1>of it is important, right, it is important for us

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>to hold these companies accountable and to say, well, you

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:20.800
<v Speaker 1>said you were going to do this and now you're not.

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 1>What the fuck is going on? But I will also

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 1>say that there's still a part of us too that

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 1>has to sit with all of this and has to say,

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 1>what are we gonna do to make sure that we're

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>not putting all of our eggs in the baskets of

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:36.359
<v Speaker 1>companies like Target and the companies I don't know who else,

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 1>or send it their DII, like I mean, I know

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Costco still has it, but I'm just what I'm saying

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 1>is it's like we can't keep looking to them as

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 1>being the end all be alls for everything that we

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 1>do and everything that we need.

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:51.239
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, I think context is important for people.

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 2>They think it's really easy. It's really easy for people

0:36:55.920 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 2>to be upset with others for what they don't do

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 2>when you don't understand the context which the person exists, right,

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Like for example, like it could be easy for me

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 2>to like to your point of someone saying John, like

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to find it out right, it can be

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 2>easy for me to for me to be like John,

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 2>like you could do more in this way. But in

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 2>the day, again, I live in a place where I

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:22.720
<v Speaker 2>can literally walk to do all those things right myself.

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 2>So right, like my context is different than your context.

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:27.239
<v Speaker 2>So that's and like like and like that's a matter

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 2>of the region, which I the different regions in which

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:32.399
<v Speaker 2>we live, you know, the like the ways our lives

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 2>set up, the ways we want different the ways we

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 2>want different things, like and so it actually does it

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.320
<v Speaker 2>actually does me? Does me no justice? And does you

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:41.560
<v Speaker 2>know justice for me to sit here and like transrag

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.279
<v Speaker 2>you for it because like because we have like two

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 2>different contexts of life and that and people really didn't

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 2>understand that context really is really important for how people

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 2>live live their lives. I think you know, you also

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:53.719
<v Speaker 2>may have made a point right of like like like

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 2>having a bigger space. And I think that's what I

0:37:55.160 --> 0:38:01.239
<v Speaker 2>think a lot is capitalism in America, right, Really a

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 2>capitalism's experiment or America's experiment was toying with the idea

0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 2>that we need more space. That's when that I'm grappling

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 2>with a lot, right especially like as like a like

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 2>as I as I own this condo and I think about,

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 2>like am I gonna sell it? I? Am I gonna

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 2>keep it? You know? Do I do I want to

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 2>buy an actual house? And like a bigger house, right

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 2>like I like I like I I grew up in

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 2>a house that was to me like a great size.

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not. I never feel like I need

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 2>like a two story house or anything. I don't need

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 2>like I don't need. I don't need to managine, I

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 2>don't horrible like like like I I know, I know

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:41.880
<v Speaker 2>in my life, I don't own if if I if I,

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 2>if I want to own a house, I want to

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:45.759
<v Speaker 2>own like a significantly home that is pretty quick. I

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 2>don't need to have a big ass house.

0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 2>But like in America, the creation of the suburb was

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 2>one was white flight, but also was idea to have

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 2>more space. Right, so you have a six room house

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 2>where they full back yard and full front yard, and

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 2>it's framed as like, oh, you have a place to

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 2>raise your kids, you have a place to like you

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 2>be a place to have your own space.

0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 1>But like.

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 2>That is also a part of consumerism. We are we

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 2>are then made to consume, to consume too much because

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:15.879
<v Speaker 2>then you also have to fill that space with all

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 2>these things as well, right and that and that becomes

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:20.800
<v Speaker 2>it then the symbol that you made it, right, you

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 2>made it. If you have a house, a big guess

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 2>house in a suburb where you have, uh you know,

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:31.320
<v Speaker 2>are three thousand foot house square foot house with a

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 2>huge backyard, a pool and big gass front yard. Right Like,

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 2>then you've made it. But what you're sacrificing is the

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 2>ability to have a close relationship with your neighbors, the

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 2>ability to have like, you know, people in your yard

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 2>with you to do stuff with. And you were told

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:50.879
<v Speaker 2>not to do that because that's que unquot more dangerous. Right, Really,

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 2>it was just about the idea of they didn't want

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 2>people to mix with other with the races in the

0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 2>same cities.

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 2>So I'm thinking a lot about now as an adult,

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:03.280
<v Speaker 2>like especially as I am thirty and thinking about video

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 2>putting roots down? How do I how do I want

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 2>to put roots? I don't want to stay in a

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.840
<v Speaker 2>city and stay in the you stay in like a

0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 2>condo place and you know, condo or apartment style building

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.200
<v Speaker 2>where I maybe have just like about don't want to

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:17.000
<v Speaker 2>do a tenthouse or have a small yard break like

0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I do. I do want a small yard. I do

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 2>want I do want the ability to like grow my

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 2>own veggies and stuff. Right, I would love to I

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 2>would love to live in a place where maybe it's

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 2>a complex that has a community guardian that I can

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 2>be a part of. Right, Like, that's the thing that

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:31.120
<v Speaker 2>I want that will make you know, what what's most

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 2>pleasing to me would be would be that style of

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 2>like of living and and and that and that is

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 2>like how I that's like one way that I would

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 2>want to try and break away from the confines of

0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:46.440
<v Speaker 2>capitalism and you know, capitalism and consumerism or you know,

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 2>make my make my oppression much easier to navigate and

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 2>deal with. Is that I live in a space where

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:55.600
<v Speaker 2>I feel more communal around me. Yeah, but like but

0:40:55.719 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 2>that's also really not easy because this are expensive. People

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:01.800
<v Speaker 2>have to be have to be people to be on

0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:03.279
<v Speaker 2>board with you, Right, how often do you need to

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 2>know your neighbors in the spaces and spaces and so

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 2>like you know, like like like it's just it's all

0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 2>like I think it's not about the idea of having out.

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Let's say, it's a de recognizing like if if someone's

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 2>telling you that you that shows Matt you for trying

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 2>to have an out, It's like okay, but like why

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 2>like why is it john'sponssibility to fix to fix these systems.

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 1>And that's the real gag of at all.

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Like what you like you know why like are are

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 2>we all responsible for doing something? Sure? I believe that.

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 2>And also you aren't, like you aren't you truthfully you

0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 2>will die before you can do that, right And like

0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:44.319
<v Speaker 2>it's like when I don't want someone to like make

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:46.759
<v Speaker 2>you be a martyr for for a system that that

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 2>will not that will not that they'll not crumble just

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:54.080
<v Speaker 2>under one person, and like like like and and and

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 2>and then you die for it, like I know, I'm sorry,

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 2>but I cannot ask anybody. Some people feel for people

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 2>that they can say, yes, I'll die to do what's right,

0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 2>and I and and I get that bias. I want

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 2>I want to ask. I want to die like like

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 2>for that because if they die, then how they keep

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 2>doing what's right? Right? I that's just how I see.

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I want ask anybody to die for that work. I

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 2>will say, let's put let's let's let's let's risk things together,

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, let's risk safety together. But I don't want

0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:27.279
<v Speaker 2>to be able to risk their lives for it. Some

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:28.880
<v Speaker 2>people will and people doing it, and I and I

0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:31.680
<v Speaker 2>think I think there is like FIRS, there for sure

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:36.320
<v Speaker 2>is a there is like I get white people doing it,

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:38.239
<v Speaker 2>and there is like a reason to do that, but

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't find joy and I don't and I don't

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 2>find like to me, like, I don't think you're morally

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.840
<v Speaker 2>morally superior or more righteous to do that. I think like,

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 2>what's more, what's better is that we find ways to

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:57.080
<v Speaker 2>get you to live and break systems and the brothers

0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 2>the brother than die your break systems.

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I mean and I think that there is

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 1>you know out this will be kind of like my

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 1>last thought, you know. So I'm sitting with you know,

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 1>as I'm listening to you talk, my mind is in

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the mind of the place of do the best, the

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 1>do the best that you can when you can. And

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 1>I think that that there there there are some things

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 1>where you'll equal, you know, there there are some active

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:21.520
<v Speaker 1>ways that even for me with my dollar while go

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going air, I'm not shopping their I'm not

0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not spending my money there because I know, like,

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.520
<v Speaker 1>for instance, hobby lobby, you could not get me to

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 1>walk into a hobby life. It is very clear, and

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 1>it is very now. I don't know what other people

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 1>do with their money, but I know for me and

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.480
<v Speaker 1>for mine, hobby lobby is one place I will never

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 1>spend my dollar, right, But I'm thinking to myself like

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 1>that is there there are some things that I can

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.359
<v Speaker 1>say I could go without that I don't. I don't

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 1>ever need to shop there because I I mean, it's

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 1>not gonna make or break me, right. But what I'm

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:52.319
<v Speaker 1>saying is, you know, someone can say, well, you can

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 1>make the same thing. You know, you can make the

0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:57.320
<v Speaker 1>same notion for Target, And I'm going, Okay, you know,

0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>if we're where I'm at is this we can't keep

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 1>talking about stuff and not providing alternatives. And that's where

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:06.759
<v Speaker 1>my my heart is right now. If we're going like

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:09.239
<v Speaker 1>collectively as a community, I would love for us to

0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:12.680
<v Speaker 1>start having these difficult conversations about, yes, where people are

0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:15.839
<v Speaker 1>putting their money, who they're putting their money behind, blah blah.

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 1>We can have all of that, but let's also have

0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:20.919
<v Speaker 1>the conversation of what is the alternative?

0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>So you have you, you have a.

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.759
<v Speaker 1>You have issues with you know, Tim Cook, and you

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:32.239
<v Speaker 1>have issues with Apple. Okay, so what's my alternative? Going

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 1>to an Android? Absolutely not so like what what what

0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:37.359
<v Speaker 1>do I do? Like? Well, who?

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Who?

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Where do I go you know what I mean, Like,

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:41.880
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the kind of stuff. So like, I just

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.800
<v Speaker 1>I need people. And again I'm just I'm not I'm

0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 1>asking this partly to be funny, but I'm also partly

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:52.239
<v Speaker 1>really serious. You're telling people who may rely, heavily and

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 1>solely on Target to stop shopping at Target. What is

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:59.200
<v Speaker 1>the alternative for somebody who lives in a place like

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 1>myself where I can't shop anywhere else? And I'll be transparent,

0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:05.240
<v Speaker 1>someone could even say, well, you could go to Walmart.

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 1>There is no Walmart around me. Sis where I live,

0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:10.200
<v Speaker 1>there is no Walmart. I would have to drive twenty

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 1>five thirty minutes away to get to a Walmart. And

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:16.160
<v Speaker 1>so now I'm looking around and I'm going I barely

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:19.240
<v Speaker 1>have time sometimes to eat, like I'm rushing to eat today,

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going so twenty five minutes to drive to

0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:24.840
<v Speaker 1>a store because I'm I don't want to give my

0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:26.680
<v Speaker 1>money to Target. Girl, If you don't get the fuck

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 1>up out of here with that, Like I'm just saying,

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 1>like I know, like I know, and I know that

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 1>this conversation will probably have some of y'all ready to

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:36.839
<v Speaker 1>type on them keys and you'll probably wanting to send

0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:39.280
<v Speaker 1>us messages and you want to send us your thoughts,

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 1>and you're probably even saying this conversation is problematic. Yes,

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to lean into this conversation because these are

0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the conversations we need to be having. But what I'm

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 1>saying is is that if we're going to critique these systems, right,

0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 1>we've got to come up with a collective alternative. And

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 1>that is the thing I guess I'm trying to inspire

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.160
<v Speaker 1>with this conversation is like, we as a community, what

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:01.440
<v Speaker 1>are so? And again, if you if you've got issues

0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:04.360
<v Speaker 1>with I don't want to speak for Johamas for myself,

0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 1>if you've got issues with me going to target, I

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 1>need to know the alternative. That's That's literally all that

0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. If you've got an issue with any form

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 1>of capitalism that either one of us participate in collectively

0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:19.200
<v Speaker 1>as a community, I would love for us to start

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 1>entertaining alternatives that actually are going to move the needle.

0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:23.279
<v Speaker 1>That's where I'm at.

0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I'll just say, I'll just say that if anyone's coming

0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 2>for anybody, but you're also you're also the person who's

0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:41.279
<v Speaker 2>still using TikTok caught to us nice, caught to us nice,

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:43.879
<v Speaker 2>That's all I gotta say, because.

0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Like any of these social media platforms, honest.

0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Like the ways in which ways which we need to

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:52.319
<v Speaker 2>go ship was right and wrong in.

0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:55.080
<v Speaker 1>This place, right And I think that's the other gag

0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:56.880
<v Speaker 1>of it all for me in this moment, is that

0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 1>we just there's so many people on a high horse

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 1>around what they do and what they don't do. And again,

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 1>like I said, I'm not trying to drag anybody. I

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 1>just think you know where I want to. I want

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:11.600
<v Speaker 1>to engage these conversations because I don't feel like there's

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.919
<v Speaker 1>enough nuance in them, right like, And I'm not saying

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:16.400
<v Speaker 1>like again, I want to make it very clear that

0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying I'm gonna I stand for Target, and

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go up for Target, and I'm gonna go

0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:22.960
<v Speaker 1>up for for all of these No, fuck all these companies,

0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Fuck capitalism as a whole because it is damning and

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:27.560
<v Speaker 1>has done a lot of damage, and it has hurt

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:29.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people and it's going to hurt a

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:30.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of people. That is the thing I want to

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:32.640
<v Speaker 1>make very very clear that I'm trying to be on

0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:34.880
<v Speaker 1>the right side when I talk about this shit. But

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I also want to make it very clear that we

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:39.600
<v Speaker 1>live in a system that has intentionally made it hard

0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:43.200
<v Speaker 1>for us to move away from this stuff. So my

0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 1>thing becomes, if we're gonna stand on business and we're

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:48.839
<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about all the things we should be doing

0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:50.800
<v Speaker 1>and all the things that we shouldn't be doing with

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:54.200
<v Speaker 1>our money, specifically with my money, with my LLC, with

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:57.160
<v Speaker 1>my ten ninety nine. I want to know what the

0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.360
<v Speaker 1>alternative is. And I'm not telling people to jump on

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:03.279
<v Speaker 1>the keys to write me a dissertation about what the

0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:07.800
<v Speaker 1>alternative is. I'm just asking us to engage that before

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>we go to somebody and tell them what they they

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:14.200
<v Speaker 1>should be doing or what they shouldn't be doing, Like,

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:17.400
<v Speaker 1>make sure you have a very clear cut plan and

0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.800
<v Speaker 1>objective to say, because again and I and I and

0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:21.839
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. So you tell me don't shop

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 1>at Okay, And I keep using Target as an example

0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:25.319
<v Speaker 1>because that's the only thing that's coming to mind. Because

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 1>we are recurring, we are recording very early, so I

0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:33.160
<v Speaker 1>have people, you know, I think about this kind of

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:36.279
<v Speaker 1>Like you said to Francesca's point, well, just because it's

0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:39.879
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's minority owned doesn't make it a good company. Okay,

0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:42.279
<v Speaker 1>So you tell me don't shop at Target, don't shop

0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:45.080
<v Speaker 1>at Walmart, don't shop at any of these big retailers

0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:47.760
<v Speaker 1>like Amazon or blah blah blah to get your stuff. Okay,

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 1>is is the alternate just as good? Because I want

0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 1>to know. I would like to know that, like that

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 1>is that is literally where my head is, Like so,

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:03.400
<v Speaker 1>and I mean, we can beat this for hours, but

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:06.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, like, I think we all have to

0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:09.160
<v Speaker 1>just be very careful. I guess that's my point. And

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 1>in wrapping up this segment, I think we've really got

0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:15.840
<v Speaker 1>to be very careful about what advice and what thoughts

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:19.200
<v Speaker 1>and what things we're telling people to do and not

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 1>do with their money, especially right now when so many

0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:26.840
<v Speaker 1>of us might not have a lot of it, Like

0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:29.000
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of people who are who are

0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 1>really struggling, and it's like, please don't add to the

0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:35.880
<v Speaker 1>stress that people already have of being like now I

0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:39.719
<v Speaker 1>have to feel guilty for just trying to survive. And

0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that, like I said, this, this whole high

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:45.560
<v Speaker 1>horse piece, it ties right back into capitalism. That's literally

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:49.560
<v Speaker 1>what it's. It's it's intended to do so. But anyway,

0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you wanted to add anything else

0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:54.960
<v Speaker 1>before we move on. Little okay, anyway, all that to

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:57.160
<v Speaker 1>be said, now that I want to sell everything I

0:49:57.280 --> 0:50:00.400
<v Speaker 1>own and move into a commune, we need to take

0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:04.759
<v Speaker 1>a break and collect my things. But when we get back,

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:07.040
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about what's on our plate more an

0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 1>a bit.

0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:19.000
<v Speaker 2>All right, fam, we are back, and this week we're

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 2>having to the lighter side of our Our entire episode

0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:23.879
<v Speaker 2>that we had ain't that heavy though it was good.

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Now this week we will keep the theme of consumerism.

0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:30.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna ask you, what's something that you consume too

0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:34.080
<v Speaker 2>much of? It's something that you can't help but keep.

0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, I have thought of you when I broke

0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 2>this question. I have thought, my god, I know you

0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:46.920
<v Speaker 2>you let the bag or you let the bag, and

0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 2>rightfully so rightfully so so I would say for me,

0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:53.200
<v Speaker 2>my the thing that I consume too much of, I

0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:57.239
<v Speaker 2>think is like coffee. I will go out of my way.

0:50:57.719 --> 0:50:59.879
<v Speaker 2>I will I will show up late to a meeting,

0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:01.959
<v Speaker 2>I will show up late to a game. I would

0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:04.040
<v Speaker 2>show up late to anything. It means that I can

0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:05.960
<v Speaker 2>go out of the way and give myself a little

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:08.440
<v Speaker 2>treaty by give myself a little a little coffee at

0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:11.759
<v Speaker 2>some local coffee shop. Do I have a pressmaker at home? Yes?

0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Could I make my own espresso at home? Can make

0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:17.120
<v Speaker 2>a latte at home? Yes? And for some pounds I do?

0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:21.640
<v Speaker 2>But like, well, yes, and yet I keep deciding to

0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:23.640
<v Speaker 2>say no, let me just go out my way and

0:51:23.719 --> 0:51:26.160
<v Speaker 2>buy this thing. Right. It also comes down to, oh,

0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:28.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't have the time. I like, like, I don't

0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:30.080
<v Speaker 2>have time to get the beans out, grind the beans

0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:31.759
<v Speaker 2>put in the thing like I'm I'm gonna have time

0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:33.160
<v Speaker 2>to do all that? Right? I could I have a

0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:34.640
<v Speaker 2>grindeary of all the things, can be all the things

0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I need to do. I can make my own syrups

0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:38.239
<v Speaker 2>if if I want to be that bitch, I could

0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 2>make my own syrups. I don't know how to do it,

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:42.680
<v Speaker 2>but I rather, Oh, I just go and support some

0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:45.399
<v Speaker 2>local coffee shop and pay ten bucks for this little

0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:48.239
<v Speaker 2>decaf latte for twelve ounces at half of it is

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:52.279
<v Speaker 2>eyes and be and be on my way. So even

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 2>though I'm a girl, why I will literally I would

0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:57.040
<v Speaker 2>literally be literally. The other day I was I'm a

0:51:57.080 --> 0:52:00.279
<v Speaker 2>way to a meeting I was. I was four feet

0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:03.520
<v Speaker 2>from parking, right from the office. I said, let me go,

0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:05.160
<v Speaker 2>let me go and get a little treats real quick.

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:08.400
<v Speaker 2>When I came back, see.

0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:16.879
<v Speaker 1>You doing this on the tea. Yeah, that's real, that's real.

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I feel that. And you know what I want to.

0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I want to. I want to one plus that because

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:25.120
<v Speaker 1>I too, so I make I will if I know

0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm leaving this house. So like yesterday, I again vulnerability.

0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:31.560
<v Speaker 1>I have a seed pat machine. I have to sleep

0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:33.160
<v Speaker 1>with it, and I had to go get a new one.

0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:39.279
<v Speaker 1>And my appointment yesterday was at eight thirty. Tell me why.

0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:43.000
<v Speaker 1>The night before me leaving, I was like googling, like

0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:48.040
<v Speaker 1>not googling. I was on my uh maps app detailing

0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:50.080
<v Speaker 1>how far it would take me, like how long it

0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:53.160
<v Speaker 1>would take me to get there. And then I was like, okay,

0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:56.320
<v Speaker 1>well it takes technically forty minutes to get there, So

0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:59.839
<v Speaker 1>that means I need to leave fifty five minutes ahead

0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:01.680
<v Speaker 1>of time, so I have enough time to slide through

0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:05.280
<v Speaker 1>the coffee bean to get me to give me something

0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:07.440
<v Speaker 1>to drink by Mike, because I have a coffee bean

0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:10.040
<v Speaker 1>right next to where I'm going. And so that's literally

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:11.960
<v Speaker 1>like so I'm right there with you, because girl, I'm

0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:13.960
<v Speaker 1>notorious too for putting an extra time and being like

0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:16.360
<v Speaker 1>how long will it take me to slide through.

0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:22.359
<v Speaker 2>This running late because coffee? But oh, I'm so sorry.

0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:24.120
<v Speaker 2>As my cats know, it's because I'm getting coffee. Girl,

0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:28.200
<v Speaker 2>I am happily texted you if if if I test you,

0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm on my way. I am happily inlan. I'm definitely

0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:33.280
<v Speaker 2>not my wife. I am coffee.

0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I feel that, so I yes, So this is a

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:37.960
<v Speaker 1>great question. And then, you know, I think it's a

0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:40.960
<v Speaker 1>very human question because it's like, who are we to

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:44.480
<v Speaker 1>talk about these systems if we're not also interrogating ourselves.

0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:47.960
<v Speaker 1>And you know, we went back and forth about all

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:50.640
<v Speaker 1>the things that I purchased that I probably shouldn't purchase.

0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:52.799
<v Speaker 1>But I said, the one thing I feel the most

0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:55.720
<v Speaker 1>comfortable talking about that doesn't make me feel like trash

0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 1>is is fast fashion. And I say that there there's

0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 1>it's it's kind of like a like I would love

0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:06.040
<v Speaker 1>to really be like okay, like I like I, I

0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:07.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, I could go here and I can go

0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.800
<v Speaker 1>to these other places and buy stuff, but I also

0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:12.960
<v Speaker 1>know and kind of taking a page out of Jade's book.

0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:14.680
<v Speaker 1>So you know, I listened to Jade and XD and

0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:16.799
<v Speaker 1>I know that was something that they talked about last

0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:19.640
<v Speaker 1>week on their show. They were talking about like the

0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 1>how how much we're ruining the earth because of fast fashion,

0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and I know there's a whole documentary about it. There's

0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:29.080
<v Speaker 1>a whole documentary about, you know what, the ways that

0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:31.640
<v Speaker 1>we are ruining the earth. And when I say fast fashion,

0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:33.920
<v Speaker 1>when I'm talking about it's like shan and what I'm

0:54:33.920 --> 0:54:36.440
<v Speaker 1>talking about is also like Forever twenty one and you know,

0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:38.320
<v Speaker 1>H and M is also a fast fashion brand, like

0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:40.680
<v Speaker 1>and it's not to say I shopped there all the time,

0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:44.560
<v Speaker 1>but there have been times where I have said, Okay,

0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:47.840
<v Speaker 1>if I'm going to buy this one thing, I'm gonna

0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:51.960
<v Speaker 1>buy it in every single color like and then that's

0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:53.880
<v Speaker 1>something I do. And the reason why I do it

0:54:54.000 --> 0:54:55.759
<v Speaker 1>is is because it's like, well, if I can get

0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:58.759
<v Speaker 1>this one thing in this size, and I know that

0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I have multiple versions of it, it just makes it

0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:04.320
<v Speaker 1>easier for me along down the line. If I have

0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:05.920
<v Speaker 1>to like get dressed, I don't have to worry. I

0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:08.799
<v Speaker 1>don't have to worry about not having something to wear.

0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:11.160
<v Speaker 1>And it is something I think a lot about like

0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:14.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, am I part? And there are other things too,

0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:16.839
<v Speaker 1>like you know there I was just telling Jojo about

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:19.719
<v Speaker 1>something I bought that I probably shouldn't have bought. But

0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:22.320
<v Speaker 1>it's one of those things of like I'm trying to

0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:25.839
<v Speaker 1>actively slow down and tell myself, like, girl, you don't

0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:29.640
<v Speaker 1>have to buy that shirt in six different colors if

0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:31.719
<v Speaker 1>you're not if you're only gonna wear it probably two

0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:33.400
<v Speaker 1>or three times. And so I try to be what

0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to be more into Joo about is if

0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna buy all of these clothes to try to

0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:41.120
<v Speaker 1>make sure that I wear them regularly, or that I

0:55:41.320 --> 0:55:43.960
<v Speaker 1>that before I think about going out to buy something

0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:46.840
<v Speaker 1>new for an event or for a conference, or for

0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:49.120
<v Speaker 1>a show or whatever the case may be, that I

0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:52.000
<v Speaker 1>wear what I actually own. And so and it's hard.

0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:54.080
<v Speaker 1>It's hard because we live in a world and I

0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:57.840
<v Speaker 1>say we mean meaning me and Joho, where we're constantly

0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:00.439
<v Speaker 1>in front of a camera, or we're constantly at an event,

0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:03.080
<v Speaker 1>or we're constantly running around with people, and we want

0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:05.840
<v Speaker 1>to look good, and so in your mind it's like

0:56:06.080 --> 0:56:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to buy something new, but you also feel

0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:11.919
<v Speaker 1>bad because you know you're feeding into the system again

0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:15.160
<v Speaker 1>of capitalism, and so that that's something I'm trying to

0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:17.320
<v Speaker 1>be more intentional about it. Like, girl, you don't need that,

0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:19.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, you don't need that dress in like eight

0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:23.400
<v Speaker 1>different colors. Get it into two and wear it until

0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:25.239
<v Speaker 1>it starts to tear. That's really it.

0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:30.000
<v Speaker 2>So well, now that now that we got us thinking

0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:32.839
<v Speaker 2>about the ways wis we should stop consuming, I'm gonna

0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:34.880
<v Speaker 2>take my break and get a little treats to the

0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:38.080
<v Speaker 2>college shop next door. Uh, just you know, just for

0:56:38.200 --> 0:56:41.080
<v Speaker 2>that one one last hit, one last hit, double mean

0:56:44.120 --> 0:56:45.040
<v Speaker 2>in just a second.

0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 1>All right, everybody, So we are back with our final

0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:05.520
<v Speaker 1>segment of this episode, and for those of you who

0:57:05.640 --> 0:57:09.279
<v Speaker 1>are new listening around here, our last segment is yes ma'am,

0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.400
<v Speaker 1>No man, Pam. This is where we talk about the

0:57:11.480 --> 0:57:13.359
<v Speaker 1>things that we love or the things that we love

0:57:13.440 --> 0:57:16.840
<v Speaker 1>to see in the things that we don't. This week,

0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:18.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna go ahead. Both of mine are very

0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:20.600
<v Speaker 1>very simple and very kind of quick to the point.

0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I simply just wanted to say for my yes ma'am

0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:26.440
<v Speaker 1>this week, I wanted to shout out the parents that

0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:31.560
<v Speaker 1>are openly loving on their queer and trans children. I

0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.240
<v Speaker 1>often see, I wanna say often because of the work

0:57:35.280 --> 0:57:37.120
<v Speaker 1>that I do, I have a lot of parents who

0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:41.680
<v Speaker 1>are hitting people in my org or literally coming to

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:44.480
<v Speaker 1>us and saying, hey, how do I do this for

0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:47.400
<v Speaker 1>my child? My child is scared, my child is dealing

0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:49.560
<v Speaker 1>with this, you know, what do we do? And it's just,

0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:52.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, even when a parent doesn't know what to do,

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>I think it is so it makes my heart feel

0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:57.320
<v Speaker 1>so good to know that there's a parent out there

0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:00.400
<v Speaker 1>who's trying, you know, like that there's a parent out

0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:02.120
<v Speaker 1>there who's like, I don't know the right way to

0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:04.040
<v Speaker 1>do this thing, and I'm going to ask for help

0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:06.080
<v Speaker 1>with it. But at least I want my child to

0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:08.840
<v Speaker 1>know that I actively see that the world is trying

0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:11.560
<v Speaker 1>to harm them, and then I don't want that to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just really wanted to shout out any parent

0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:16.400
<v Speaker 1>who is out there. And I say parent, not just

0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:18.400
<v Speaker 1>in the idea of like you birthing a child. I'm

0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:21.080
<v Speaker 1>saying if you have taken in your niece or nephew,

0:58:21.160 --> 0:58:23.440
<v Speaker 1>and you recognize your niece or nephew is trans and

0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:25.760
<v Speaker 1>you're raising them and you're wanting to do what's right

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:28.960
<v Speaker 1>for your niece or whatever that means anybody who was

0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:31.920
<v Speaker 1>doing their best to protect and love on their clear

0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:36.479
<v Speaker 1>children right now and into eternity. Right But I'm saying

0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:38.880
<v Speaker 1>in this moment, I just I want to say, like,

0:58:38.960 --> 0:58:41.360
<v Speaker 1>I see you, and I salute you, and I definitely

0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:44.520
<v Speaker 1>think you're the reason that you are one of the

0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:47.640
<v Speaker 1>reasons why I just I appreciate what I get to

0:58:47.680 --> 0:58:50.080
<v Speaker 1>do and what I again, what I get to do

0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:51.560
<v Speaker 1>through my nine to five. And for those of you

0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:54.480
<v Speaker 1>who don't know, I work for a children's organization in

0:58:54.560 --> 0:58:56.000
<v Speaker 1>my nine to five when I'm not on the MIC,

0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:59.320
<v Speaker 1>I work for a nonprofit that focuses on queer and

0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:01.560
<v Speaker 1>trans youth. And so I don't want to say the

0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:04.280
<v Speaker 1>name because again I don't want people coming after the org,

0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 1>but I definitely do want folks to know like I

0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:12.000
<v Speaker 1>see them, and I see the struggle, and I'm definitely

0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:15.439
<v Speaker 1>there with you, all right. So for my no man, Pam,

0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:19.840
<v Speaker 1>this is a very simple thing. I just I've I've

0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:23.440
<v Speaker 1>noticed it over the years, but I'm noticing it a

0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:26.160
<v Speaker 1>lot more now. People who don't walk their dogs with

0:59:26.280 --> 0:59:30.240
<v Speaker 1>leash with a leash? Can we can? We can? We not?

0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Like I know, there's bigger fish to fry. But my

0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:36.280
<v Speaker 1>thing is, like, I just I don't comprehend why, Like,

0:59:36.320 --> 0:59:37.560
<v Speaker 1>why is it so hard for you to walk your

0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:38.240
<v Speaker 1>dog on a leash?

0:59:39.240 --> 0:59:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Why?

0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Like and it's and that's the thing, Like I people,

0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh he's friendly, he's okay, he can be friendly to you.

0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:47.640
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know that fucking dog. I don't know

0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:50.880
<v Speaker 1>what he is capable of. And and this is this

0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:54.600
<v Speaker 1>is spawned from a moment yesterday. So yesterday, as I

0:59:54.920 --> 0:59:57.280
<v Speaker 1>was getting ready to get into my car, there was

0:59:57.320 --> 1:00:00.840
<v Speaker 1>a man jogging past where I live and his dog

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<v Speaker 1>like ran up on the other side, and I jumped

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<v Speaker 1>into my car and slammed my door. And as I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pulling away, he like looks over. Yeah he's cool, he's school.

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<v Speaker 1>He's school. I don't give a damn if you think

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<v Speaker 1>your dog is cool. I don't know that dog. And

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<v Speaker 1>he was like a rock riler. He wasn't a big one,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was a rock whiler. And I'm like, can

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<v Speaker 1>we not, like just put him on a leash. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to have to suit you. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get bit But yeah, I just the people who

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<v Speaker 1>try to, oh he's he's a cute dog. Oh, he's sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Put your damn dog on a leash. I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care, I don't care. Please, So that's that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you got this week? Says?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just say, your dogs are not your children.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not kids. They're dogs, they're animals, they're not kids.

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<v Speaker 2>So consider that when you have them off fleash, it

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<v Speaker 2>is not legal. And I love the idea of you

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<v Speaker 2>the laws, but it's the law that may not be

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<v Speaker 2>worth ben for you girls. So just don't do a bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so just lords in heaven my s bam.

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<v Speaker 2>So the people gagged about Trump's policies and who voted

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<v Speaker 2>for him? You look so right now? Yeah, like that's

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<v Speaker 2>just really like y'all got about his policies and you

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<v Speaker 2>vote for him. That's just what happens. You do. Clown

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<v Speaker 2>ship and clown shit happen. So that's it now, I know, ma'am,

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<v Speaker 2>Pam is okay. So this is this is a bit

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<v Speaker 2>serious people, serious people. I understand people are like people

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<v Speaker 2>are posting about what to do with an ice rates

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<v Speaker 2>happens happens around you, right, And I get that. I

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<v Speaker 2>think like information sharing is great, that's what be mindful,

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<v Speaker 2>like we exist, we still exist in Surventance place, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm I don't think it's so far fascial that

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<v Speaker 2>people are watching you. So if you're posting about things

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<v Speaker 2>to say or do, or you're posting things like I

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<v Speaker 2>won't give my neighbor up for an ice raid, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's some point that your neighbor might be documented and

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<v Speaker 2>that could lead the ice to your to your door,

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<v Speaker 2>and like what are you gonna do then when they

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<v Speaker 2>atkal them your door? So like I will be really

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<v Speaker 2>clear of like be mindful you post about ice because

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<v Speaker 2>you could really being engaging people around you as well too,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't posted anything because like what I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do is in danger with people that I love

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<v Speaker 2>at all, Right, what am not gonna do? I'm go

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<v Speaker 2>to the information and say work, thank you. But like

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<v Speaker 2>some like sometimes the information sharing isn't always the best thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Send it, girls, send it and send it in a

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<v Speaker 2>message to somebody. Don't post it on your story because

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes I actually could lead to for the nature of

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<v Speaker 2>other people, especially if you're if you're acknowledge that you

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<v Speaker 2>may have someone in your life who who is who

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<v Speaker 2>is Who's? A documentar can be impacted by eyes and

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<v Speaker 2>then like that could can I'm not saying that's your fault.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, can you contribute to them being discovered? You

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<v Speaker 2>don't want that, so really be mindful of how you

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<v Speaker 2>share things. That's really it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, you you're you are making a really good point.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that, I mean, we could do a

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<v Speaker 1>whole We could do a whole episode on that too,

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, information sharing. But I think there is

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<v Speaker 1>this idea of like people wanting to be like, we

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<v Speaker 1>got to get the information to the people.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that I really appreciated at Creating

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<v Speaker 1>Change was there was a there was a in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>they called it Leplinary that they did and they told people,

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<v Speaker 1>do not record, do not take information from this and

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<v Speaker 1>put it on social do not post any clips whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>what like, we want this conversation to just be within

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<v Speaker 1>the doors of creating change. And it was about strategic

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<v Speaker 1>It was about all this stuff like what a strategy,

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<v Speaker 1>what is like what are we doing collectively to try

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that we're protecting our people? And I

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<v Speaker 1>think we need to do more of that. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we really need to get to a place where we're

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<v Speaker 1>actively organizing and we're not organizing online because obviously that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we're giving a lot of We're losing the plot,

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<v Speaker 1>like we're giving a lot of people a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>information that they don't necessarily need. And I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, you know, yeah, I have a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm gonna get a lot of heat on this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But I ultimately was saying, like I believe, like that's

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<v Speaker 1>the only way for us to Like Harriet Tubman didn't

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<v Speaker 1>tell people where she was gonna be and where she

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna go. Could you imagine Harriet Tubman posted alone,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be at this Like no, Harriet Tubman moved,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like like a you know, she moved in silence,

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<v Speaker 1>like a gee and Lasagna, like she knew what she

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<v Speaker 1>was doing. And I think we need to get back

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<v Speaker 1>to that. We need to get back to the old days.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that all of their ways were the

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<v Speaker 1>right ways, but I personally believe we need to get

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<v Speaker 1>back to the days of the Black Panther Party. We

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<v Speaker 1>need to get back to the days of Malcolm X.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to get back to the days of the

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<v Speaker 1>organizing and silence because because that's how we're gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>true change. I feel like we're giving away to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're giving away too many of the ingradients. We're telling

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<v Speaker 1>too many people what's in the sauce. We still don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know all the ingredients in KFC's chicken, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's for a reason, right and and and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's what we need to get back to you. So, yeah, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>you got my mind ruminated. But I definitely wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>say that on the mic. All right. Well, with that

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<v Speaker 1>being said, uh, who my god, what an episode. Please

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<v Speaker 1>know how long we are gonna be on the metas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just what a time, What a time to be alive.

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<v Speaker 1>I just keep saying it every day, every day I

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<v Speaker 1>say that at least one here, what a time be alive?

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<v Speaker 1>Mm mmm hmm. Anyway, Queen Joe Ho, where can the

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<v Speaker 1>dolls find you?

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<v Speaker 2>I love you can find me at Joho Danwn's across

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<v Speaker 2>all socials. You can find me definitely have my local

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<v Speaker 2>said Joindwales dot com. If not there, girl, don't find

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<v Speaker 2>me all beside, don't come looking. I'm not trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be found.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's saying, you know, hope this email finds you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope the email doesn't find me at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope it emil doesn't find you all girl. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope the email to find it finds you your summer

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<v Speaker 2>vacation in the Bahamas.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl, don't even make me lost in the Bermuda Triangle

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<v Speaker 1>or something. My god, yes, okay, but it's as for

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<v Speaker 1>me and mind. You can find me on the street

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<v Speaker 1>at Doctor John Paul everywhere, all right. With that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to thank our producer's Bay Wang for handling

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<v Speaker 1>all of the logistics that happen around this show. I

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<v Speaker 1>tell you there's you know there. There are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of moving parts there there. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>move a lot of moving parts, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>at creating changes. Ask me, how do you how do

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<v Speaker 1>together these last few weeks. There's been a lot going

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<v Speaker 1>on and I'm very grateful to have Chris Rogers as

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<v Speaker 1>an editor for this show. So thank you. With that

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<v Speaker 1>being said, this has been another show. Stay black, Fat, feline, fabulous,

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<v Speaker 1>and remember what, joho, We may not be.

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<v Speaker 2>Your cup of tea, but girl drinks some water because

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<v Speaker 2>you're probably anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that's right. I love us for real until

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<v Speaker 1>next week, Bye bye,