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Speaker 1: and Doctor Sean Paul LLC. Hey, everyone, welcome to another
Speaker 1: episode of the Black Stuff Film Podcast, where all the
Speaker 1: intersections of identity are celebrated. I am John also known
Speaker 1: as Doctor John Paul, and in one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: three episodes, I have never yelled at a girl like this?
Speaker 1: How dare you Bojangles? So storytime, Chris, can you go
Speaker 1: ahead and put some music behind the storytime? Use the
Speaker 1: mo music, the use the so so. Me and a
Speaker 1: friend to the show Travail. Last week we went to
Speaker 1: bo Jangles as you both, as everybody knows Me and
Speaker 1: Travell both were perusing around creating change, and so we
Speaker 1: decided one of the days that we both didn't have
Speaker 1: none of you were like, let's go get somebody. So
Speaker 1: we went to Bojangles because they just opened it in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Nevada. Oh and for those that don't know,
Speaker 1: Bojangles is like starting to take over like the West Coasters. Actually,
Speaker 1: like so they opened I think there's one that is
Speaker 1: finally open in Las Vegas. But they also have another
Speaker 1: location that they're getting ready to open in Las Vegas
Speaker 1: and then from what I understand, and I don't know
Speaker 1: how real or true this is, but they're saying that.
Speaker 1: I guess like two or three are supposed to open
Speaker 1: in LA in the next couple of months. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we decided to go to the one in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: and girl, we got in line and as me and
Speaker 1: Treval were looking at the menu, I'm looking for the
Speaker 1: chicken chicken, right like, I'm looking for the chicken because
Speaker 1: I believe their chicken is the best chicken. And you know,
Speaker 1: they only have the audacity to have tenders, only chicken tenders.
Speaker 1: Chris insert a gas Yes, well.
Speaker 2: When you say that, you mean like they was out
Speaker 2: of the chicken.
Speaker 1: No, they they don't make it. They don't make it, girl,
Speaker 1: they only make tenders. And I just I said, not
Speaker 1: only like like not one piece of chicken on the bone,
Speaker 1: like the way I wanted to And the gag was
Speaker 1: the line was hell along like the like the drive
Speaker 1: through line was long, the inside line was long, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to leave. I was like, if I would
Speaker 1: have known, I wouldn't have been so amped about this.
Speaker 1: I literally would have went somewhere else. But anyway, you know,
Speaker 1: first wall problems first world problems. But my god, I
Speaker 1: just I definitely need Like I wanted to put my
Speaker 1: Karen Wig on and say I want to speak to
Speaker 1: the manager, but you know, we were already there. There
Speaker 1: was nothing we could do about it, so I just
Speaker 1: wanted to go ahead and just say, like, for my
Speaker 1: West Coast folks who have never been to Buljangles, please
Speaker 1: do not let that be a representation of what I
Speaker 1: believe is the best chicken in the world. If you are,
Speaker 1: if you are from Atlanta, from South Carolina, from North Carolina,
Speaker 1: any of the Carolinas, any of the South, you know
Speaker 1: how good Buljegles really is. And it's just it's a shame.
Speaker 1: It's a shame show we didn't get to celebrate the
Speaker 1: chicken the way that we deserve to be. Anyway, girl,
Speaker 1: enough of my ramblings about chicken.
Speaker 2: How are you, girl? Fam Hey Joho, And first I
Speaker 2: just want to say I'm sorry for your loss. I'm
Speaker 2: sorry that the West Coast Jangles did not do you
Speaker 2: did the digit dirty? Not? Do you write? And you
Speaker 2: know I I wouldn't. I would if they have it
Speaker 2: in New Orleans because I'm going to New Orleans in
Speaker 2: May and I I'm I haven't had but jingles yet.
Speaker 2: You talked about a lot, and now I'm now I
Speaker 2: have to go to an East coast one. The West
Speaker 2: coast one is not is not giving with what you're giving.
Speaker 2: So I am so sorry.
Speaker 1: What I will say is you you mentioning New Orleans.
Speaker 1: You have to do a waffle house. It's not the
Speaker 1: best experience, but it is bomb. But go but go out, yea.
Speaker 2: I will. Oh, I'm gonna do everything I can. I'm
Speaker 2: doing everything I can. I'm gonna get my whole ass
Speaker 2: life there. And besides that, I'm here to tell y'all
Speaker 2: your listeners, take the mental health Day. Just take it.
Speaker 2: And Trump's America. You need a girl, Tell your boss
Speaker 2: you need the day, Take a bosh, you need the week.
Speaker 2: I'm about to tell mine to just take the mental
Speaker 2: health Day, y'all. I know, I know, I know you
Speaker 2: see he listen to this like no, I you know,
Speaker 2: I don't have the time, So I'll task to do.
Speaker 2: The task will be there tomorrow, task will be there
Speaker 2: next month, but you may not be if you if
Speaker 2: you don't the little health day, girl, take it now,
Speaker 2: because I am, I am this close and you can't
Speaker 2: see my fingers, y'all, but they are they are not,
Speaker 2: but it's sent them in your part. I am this
Speaker 2: close to a mentv y'all need to take the day. Okay,
Speaker 2: take the damn day. Take the day to day. M girl. Yeah,
Speaker 2: AnyWho In tradition, to celebrate our famous, famous, favorite famous girl,
Speaker 2: Miss Tishy Campbell and the fact that somehow, against all odds,
Speaker 2: we are still here even though we're we're about to
Speaker 2: get legislate out of existence. I want to I want
Speaker 2: to start off the show by asking what's something the
Speaker 2: current you, what's something in this current moment? The old
Speaker 2: you was proud of the current you. Four Okay, old me,
Speaker 2: it's proud of current me for not letting myself water
Speaker 2: down my feelings. Amen. Amen. But I used to be
Speaker 2: a oh it's fine type of bitch m hm some
Speaker 2: of my feelings or said something pocket out of the
Speaker 2: bitch that's like, oh it's fine, it's no problem, when
Speaker 2: it was in fact a problem, te and current me
Speaker 2: is like, actually, no, it is a problem.
Speaker 1: It is a problem.
Speaker 2: And I I appreciate you trying to, you know, officially
Speaker 2: trying to give me an apology, but ash, we're gonna
Speaker 2: do think this accountability, accountability. What you won't do anymore
Speaker 2: is me looking at the fool. Is that okay? With
Speaker 2: an atrocious ayes apology? What you're gonna do is is
Speaker 2: is get some get some restoration, or we're gonna give
Speaker 2: me some justice. I ain't got no time, not even
Speaker 2: sitting here like no, it's totally fine. I don't mind all.
Speaker 2: It's really it's actually my fault. It was not my fault. No,
Speaker 2: it's actually not my fault, fault, it was actually not
Speaker 2: my problem, my fault, my problem with my worry. It's
Speaker 2: actually your worry. And now it's a problem. And now
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a problem for you.
Speaker 1: Amen.
Speaker 2: That's just how it's gonna be. I'm tired of I'm
Speaker 2: tired of myself done. I'm gonna hide myself up and say,
Speaker 2: next time you fuck with the bitch, you fuck with
Speaker 2: the bull, bitch, you gonna get the horns.
Speaker 1: You gotta get the horns.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 1: You know what this reminds me of. So there's the
Speaker 1: give slash meme of a young young black woman. I
Speaker 1: don't know what her name is. I see her everywhere,
Speaker 1: and she's from New York and there's like a moment
Speaker 1: where you see her walk through a door and she's like, so, actually,
Speaker 1: you know what, Actually, now that I think about it,
Speaker 1: I'm a little pissed off. Yes, that's what that's giving
Speaker 1: me of like when you when you used to be
Speaker 1: that girl to be like, oh that's okay, that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's not a problem, and then just after a while
Speaker 1: you start thinking about, actually, you know what, that did
Speaker 1: piss me off? And I'm actually gonna talk to you
Speaker 1: about it because I'm not gonna let it eat me up.
Speaker 1: I know that's right. I know that's right, you know.
Speaker 1: So for me, I'll say this, I had a moment
Speaker 1: this weekend where I easily could have flew off the
Speaker 1: handle and the currently handled it.
Speaker 3: Why can't you just said confid once the flying up
Speaker 3: the handle. I hope you're happy. I hope you're happy.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, yeah, very much. I was even thinking about
Speaker 1: that when I wrote down. But ultimately, and that's that
Speaker 1: that also goes to the show. I hope that you
Speaker 1: get Yeah, I hope you are happy.
Speaker 2: Handy, you're happy?
Speaker 1: Man? Yes, yes, yes, yes, I watch that again just
Speaker 1: to put myself in a happy place. But no, I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, it gooped me like it gooped like there
Speaker 1: was like it was almost like I felt like I
Speaker 1: split myself in half and I could feel the other
Speaker 1: Jonathan getting ready to lose it, and the other mean
Speaker 1: was like no, no, no, let's just go ahead and
Speaker 1: handle this in a good way. And I walked away
Speaker 1: from it. I said, damn, really grown. Like it was
Speaker 1: like one of those moments where I was standing in
Speaker 1: front of the elevator in my hotel and I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm really really proud of myself. And
Speaker 1: it was like the old me looked at me and
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know this, bitch. Yes, it was
Speaker 1: just and it was over something that I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk too much about it. But again, I used
Speaker 1: to be that girl that was notorious for flying off
Speaker 1: the edge and being like I was ready to go
Speaker 1: off on anybody and everybody for anything and everything. And
Speaker 1: in this moment that was like the first real time
Speaker 1: that I caught myself feeling like, no, handle this in
Speaker 1: a very you know, adult I'm not gonna say like
Speaker 1: not grown, but handle this in an adult way.
Speaker 2: Solved.
Speaker 1: And it's still like, like I said, it's just especially
Speaker 1: with how everything feels and how everything is. I told myself,
Speaker 1: I said, you don't want to add to you don't
Speaker 1: want to add to it, right, Like I think everyone's
Speaker 1: on edge already and so it's like you don't want
Speaker 1: to add that. So yeah, I just, like I said,
Speaker 1: I was literally really really proud of me, Like when
Speaker 1: I like when I took my shower and I laid
Speaker 1: down in my bed and I turned on my iPad
Speaker 1: to watch my Netflix, Like I genuinely was just looking
Speaker 1: at myself in the reflection of my iPad screen and
Speaker 1: was like that, You're proud of you for how you handle.
Speaker 2: You're doing a good job, a good Yes, that's exactly
Speaker 2: what it's giving.
Speaker 1: Girl.
Speaker 2: I'm proud of you for you have you for you. Also,
Speaker 2: as we as we belted out, WICKI texted and said,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get sue for that for that.
Speaker 1: Because she heard she.
Speaker 4: Said she said, said that's a copyright yeah, because I
Speaker 4: know what some amount of second yeah yeah, yeah, either way,
Speaker 4: I know what.
Speaker 2: She said about that. She said, she said, that's a
Speaker 2: lawsuit girl.
Speaker 1: Not having their ear pressed to the door.
Speaker 2: She is, she is my pr manager. So she's like,
Speaker 2: what we're not gonna do is get you twisted in this sky?
Speaker 1: Oh, my god, who been well?
Speaker 2: Now that we have to celebrate what we've been and
Speaker 2: how far we have come, My God, because we have
Speaker 2: come so far, copyrights be damned. We're gonna take a
Speaker 2: short break. When we get back. We're gonna get into
Speaker 2: some verbal voguing. Baby, but what I'll see into this
Speaker 2: week's category. We'll be back in just a second.
Speaker 1: Oh God, all right, y'all, So this week we are back.
Speaker 1: And what what I think? So I'll say this our listeners,
Speaker 1: and whether you're new or old, you probably think we're
Speaker 1: gonna take this conversation in the way you know we
Speaker 1: normally would, But we're not. I wanted to chat this
Speaker 1: week about something that I think everyone in their mama
Speaker 1: is talking about, but I wanted to kind of put
Speaker 1: a spin on it, just because I feel like I
Speaker 1: don't want this conversation to be the old, redundant way,
Speaker 1: like like, yes, we could sit here for like what
Speaker 1: twenty thirty minutes talking about DEI and these models and
Speaker 1: you know the importance and why we need them and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. But me and for those
Speaker 1: of you who may not who may be living under
Speaker 1: a rock. There's been a lot of companies, specifically companies
Speaker 1: we know and love, that have given DEI the boot,
Speaker 1: And while I think it would be important for us
Speaker 1: to go through that and to talk through that, I
Speaker 1: actually just kind of been putting this together, and me
Speaker 1: and Joe Hoop, we're talking about this, you know, prior
Speaker 1: to us recording it was, you know, we really wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about something else. So I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: the question this week, knowing what we know about DEI
Speaker 1: and folks getting rid of it, I wanted to kind
Speaker 1: of put a spin on it and talk about capitalism
Speaker 1: and performative inclusion, and I wanted to chat surviving capitalism
Speaker 1: as an intersectional queer. So with that being said, now
Speaker 1: some of you are probably thinking, or you're probably you've
Speaker 1: probably heard you probably hear this, and you're like, capitalism
Speaker 1: and being an intersectional court, what the fuck? Like, what
Speaker 1: the hell does that mean? And what I mean is
Speaker 1: is that I think we have made mentioned several times
Speaker 1: on the show that we believe that how we got here,
Speaker 1: specifically in twenty twenty five is mainly because of capitalism,
Speaker 1: and so I kind of wanted to like throw that
Speaker 1: out as kind of of a thought of like, how
Speaker 1: did we get to this point of these companies getting
Speaker 1: rid of all of this stuff, and how like capitalism
Speaker 1: fed into that, and then talking through kind of like
Speaker 1: really just having a real conversation about like this moment
Speaker 1: as much as everyone's focusing on, oh, this man in
Speaker 1: office is doing this and these companies are doing that,
Speaker 1: how all of this kind of ties back to a
Speaker 1: bigger issue around capitalism. And I think that's something we've
Speaker 1: never really addressed on the show. And so yeah, I
Speaker 1: just want to tell if you have any thoughts before
Speaker 1: we kind of jump into, you know, kind of the
Speaker 1: education of it all.
Speaker 2: You know, I want to name capitalism and consumerism go
Speaker 2: hand in hand. I think we're int to note that
Speaker 2: capitalism is the system that drives our economy. I could
Speaker 2: one going through frame it as our why where it's
Speaker 2: consumerism is our expression of participation in that system, or
Speaker 2: could be seen as our how right like our wise
Speaker 2: capitalism or how it is consumerism. And I think another
Speaker 2: reason why I think we arrived here is because our
Speaker 2: country has been obsessed with being the richest at the
Speaker 2: cost of our own people. Because to our country money
Speaker 2: is our is our one of our expressions of power.
Speaker 2: And if we can increase capital or our money, we
Speaker 2: can create a society where big companies run everything and
Speaker 2: we can inflex our power to everybody else. We also
Speaker 2: manipulate people who live in this system to constantly consume
Speaker 2: so they can articulate their own power and standing in
Speaker 2: the mimistry that they too are a quote unquote forced
Speaker 2: to be reckoned with via their participation in capitalism. So
Speaker 2: it's a gross system that prioritizes individualism over everything. There's
Speaker 2: no sense of community systems, which I want to name
Speaker 2: because if we're talking about, you know, how we survive
Speaker 2: as queer people, right, community is rooted in our culture
Speaker 2: as queer people, and this system is inherently empathetical to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I okay, so so you know this. The segment's over.
Speaker 1: Like we don't even I'm just kidding, Like, no, you
Speaker 1: you really? Yes, you you said what needed to be said.
Speaker 1: It really and wow, damn, Like I looking at your
Speaker 1: thoughts and hearing you say that, it really brings to
Speaker 1: mind like a lot of I wouldn't say the issues
Speaker 1: I have, but the moments of when like like as
Speaker 1: much as it's nice to have a little bit of
Speaker 1: coin and to be able to pay your bills and
Speaker 1: to be able to help your community. Right. And we
Speaker 1: talked a lot about this, maybe two episodes ago, right
Speaker 1: when we were talking about yeah yeah, where we're talking
Speaker 1: about the eating fires and community and the need to
Speaker 1: help everybody, right, there's still this element of capitalism even
Speaker 1: in that because you know, as you all probably know now,
Speaker 1: it's been almost a few weeks, the fires are still burning.
Speaker 1: There are still fires burning in southern California, right, And
Speaker 1: now you have these people that are you know, they're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how they're going to put their
Speaker 1: lives back together. And now there are companies that are
Speaker 1: swooping in that are saying, hey, we want your land.
Speaker 1: We'll give you this this amount of money for you
Speaker 1: to sell your home to us. And it's like, I
Speaker 1: can't even process the pain of losing my home before
Speaker 1: having to worry about all of the dollar value of
Speaker 1: it all. Right, So it just a lot of it
Speaker 1: does feel gross. And I think that's been the thing that,
Speaker 1: you know, while I'm answering my own question, I think
Speaker 1: it is so important for us to understand and really
Speaker 1: kind of stand behind this notion of the idea that
Speaker 1: these big businesses and I say big business, and what
Speaker 1: I mean by that is not just like housing. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about all of these businesses, specifically the businesses that
Speaker 1: we see that are stepping away from DEI practices or
Speaker 1: that are ultimately saying, let's turn down quote unquote, let's
Speaker 1: turn down the identity politics in this work. They're doing
Speaker 1: that because they recognize that to purport themselves as socially
Speaker 1: aware also has a bottom line too, right, the bottom line.
Speaker 1: And when we really talk about all of this, this
Speaker 1: is the thing that I often tell people right to
Speaker 1: your point, Joho, it's all about power, right, It's all
Speaker 1: a power It's a power game. Right. And so if
Speaker 1: you can, if you can make the most money as
Speaker 1: a company, and I tell people this all the time,
Speaker 1: it is expensive to do the right thing. That is
Speaker 1: what we're seeing right now. Companies are not divesting from DEI,
Speaker 1: not exclusively because they don't care about pleap. They never
Speaker 1: cared about us in the first place. They never cared
Speaker 1: about black people, they never cared about LATINX people, they
Speaker 1: never cared about queer people. They don't care. The thing
Speaker 1: is is that in order for you to do the
Speaker 1: right thing as a company you have, it's gonna cost
Speaker 1: you a lot of cash. It's gonna cost you a
Speaker 1: lot of mullah paola. And in this world, there is
Speaker 1: no equitable way to make money or stay rich unless
Speaker 1: you recognize that being rich is about upholding a certain
Speaker 1: level of privilege and access. So that's the thing I
Speaker 1: think I kind of really wanted to get into. And
Speaker 1: I know you have some thoughts about this, Joe hoo
Speaker 1: Wright specifically naming that a lot of the capitalism that
Speaker 1: we see a lot of you know, these companies are saying, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna roll back the DEI of it all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's just racism. It's built totally on racism.
Speaker 1: It's built on a system of racism. And ultimately, I
Speaker 1: can I just say this on the mic and then
Speaker 1: and then I'll let you go. I was sitting with
Speaker 1: this the other day and I just was going, like,
Speaker 1: we like, I think we keep forgetting to name that
Speaker 1: just this entire it's not even just our country, this
Speaker 1: entire world is racist. And and and I'm not laughing
Speaker 1: because it's funny. I'm laughing because I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: like I don't know where I don't like, I don't
Speaker 1: know why we're wasting so much air on and talking
Speaker 1: about like, oh, these companies are doing I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: shop at targeting. Maybe everybody's racist. Everything is built on racism, period,
Speaker 1: So it's like I don't even know why people are
Speaker 1: surprised but not don't let me, don't let me get
Speaker 1: into my head about that.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're right, American capitalism was a built on
Speaker 2: racial exploitation, right, Yeah, enslavement black folks to institualized discrimination,
Speaker 2: and that structural impact our nation's economic and legal systems.
Speaker 2: Like it's all, it's all racist. There's an art whole
Speaker 2: by her name is Elizabeth Kennedy for Pro Market As
Speaker 2: focuses on the headline is to build the eclabo economy,
Speaker 2: we must understand capitalisms racist heritage, right, they write, creating
Speaker 2: anical society requires us to examine understanding the history of
Speaker 2: capitalism and its reliance on racialized oppression. There's this other
Speaker 2: part in the in the which talks about like like
Speaker 2: the the has about the upbringings of it. And there's
Speaker 2: another line that says other countries cannot compete with a
Speaker 2: nation that couldified a cast of workers as non human
Speaker 2: and legalized violance as a management technique. So like so
Speaker 2: you know, so like the idea of making bodies as commodities,
Speaker 2: particularly black bodies, other immigrant bodies as commodities and legalizing
Speaker 2: station lines against them as a way of management like
Speaker 2: absolutely fueled our like like our our rise of capitalism.
Speaker 2: There's also another quote end that says whether capitalism could
Speaker 2: exist without racism ignores as as a story. Walter Johnson
Speaker 2: affirms that there was no such thing as without slavery,
Speaker 2: like like they actuallygnize this could it whether it exist
Speaker 2: or not without without racism now does not do the
Speaker 2: like still has to it still has to be present
Speaker 2: to the fact that there's capitalism when I is this
Speaker 2: without slavery in the first place?
Speaker 1: Right, which it yeah, to your point, and so if
Speaker 1: we really really want to unpack that, right the dei
Speaker 1: of it? All Right, everyone's like, oh okay, well, you know,
Speaker 1: black and brown and marginalized people are not being given
Speaker 1: the jobs. And there's a part of me that like,
Speaker 1: here's that and kind of goes good because if we
Speaker 1: really think about it, right, like, if we're talking about
Speaker 1: capitalism as slavery. A lot of you've heard black people,
Speaker 1: specifically black women, for years say I got this big
Speaker 1: girl job, and I've gotten this job and everything fell
Speaker 1: on me. So now it becomes my job to do
Speaker 1: everybody else's job. And and you know, in the in
Speaker 1: the organization or the company. So like the idea of
Speaker 1: and again, I'm not saying that we shouldn't have any
Speaker 1: practices in our companies. That's not what I'm saying. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying is is that there is this idea that
Speaker 1: and and and it's frustrating because it's also too. Like
Speaker 1: someone had posted and I know, I'm all over the
Speaker 1: place because you have a million thoughts. I saw someone
Speaker 1: post that white women your DEI too, and it was yes,
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry before nineteen before before what you're the nineteen
Speaker 2: hundreds were you're not able to work yourself? Yeah, like
Speaker 2: you are actually the recipient of original d irat not
Speaker 2: just like that's how it was girl. Unfortunately you all,
Speaker 2: you too were part of this process, whether you want
Speaker 2: to be or not, it's right.
Speaker 1: And so I mean, hell, you couldn't even vote up
Speaker 1: until nineteen fifty. So like I'm just I'm saying like
Speaker 1: I think there's there's a lot of of there's so
Speaker 1: many pieces and so many layers to this, and I
Speaker 1: just think for me, like you know, when I question
Speaker 1: about how are we surviving as an intersectional queer? You know,
Speaker 1: and I know somebody probably were I know, we're probably
Speaker 1: gonna get emails with questions of like, well, what do
Speaker 1: we do? Like what like what can we do? What
Speaker 1: do we do? How do how do we work through
Speaker 1: this right of knowing? Like you know, But but I
Speaker 1: think for me, and this is the thing I just said, like,
Speaker 1: there's there's no equitable way to be like to consume
Speaker 1: like that. That's just and it's and I guess that's
Speaker 1: the reason why what I wanted to bring to the mic,
Speaker 1: Like I think, you know, I see all these people
Speaker 1: that are saying, oh, I'm not going to shop at
Speaker 1: Target and I'm not going to shop here, and I'm
Speaker 1: not going to shop there because they're not And I'm like, baby,
Speaker 1: even without the even if they had all of the
Speaker 1: best d I practices, they are still participating in capitalism
Speaker 1: and there's still no equitable way to do that. So
Speaker 1: my thing becomes like even if you say, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to give them my money because I want
Speaker 1: to make sure my money is going to the right
Speaker 1: place I'm going. Baby, how everybody is participating in this
Speaker 1: system in a very, very gross way, because that is
Speaker 1: how the system is built. The entire system is built
Speaker 1: for it to not be equitable. So you know, no
Speaker 1: matter what you're saying, Like even even like I said,
Speaker 1: even if they did uphold their DEI practices and continue
Speaker 1: to do so, there are still upholding systems of discrimination
Speaker 1: and the ways in which business feeds into that. There's
Speaker 1: like there's just no So I guess that's a good question.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you, do you believe that there is
Speaker 1: an equitable way for anybody to consume? Okay, we ask
Speaker 1: your big questions today?
Speaker 2: Well like girl giving me? Okay? So yeah, so like
Speaker 2: I mean, so one thing, it's okay, So I love
Speaker 2: this question. One thing I'm thinking about as well is
Speaker 2: I just want to hark back to everyone's upset with
Speaker 2: these organs, with these big b what about their DA policies,
Speaker 2: because I also I want to be I want to
Speaker 2: be clear, let us be clear in this moment of
Speaker 2: like of like what's also happening and why? Right, Like
Speaker 2: many of these companies roll back their DIA policies after
Speaker 2: after the court ruling in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty
Speaker 2: three that that basically ended a formative action, right like
Speaker 2: many of them did. That wile of action is its
Speaker 2: impacting like essentially essentially di I in schools. A lot
Speaker 2: of businesses are worried that this that this like like
Speaker 2: a lot of the reasons why whether whether these companies
Speaker 2: want to want to do or not, right, like, part
Speaker 2: of it is because it's being it's being it's being illegalized.
Speaker 2: And so if they continue to do these things, then
Speaker 2: like they can get sued and then they they could
Speaker 2: like some organizations will say we'll take the hit, and
Speaker 2: that's great, right, some businesses are not our seg we
Speaker 2: can't do the hit because we're like them will close
Speaker 2: all our banches across the across the country the world,
Speaker 2: right and then no will have access to this place.
Speaker 2: So like so I use that just as like not
Speaker 2: as a not to give businesses a pass. So not
Speaker 2: like I'm not saying the past, but I also want
Speaker 2: to be but like like like it's not it's not
Speaker 2: just that Seals woke up and Dane said, oh thank god,
Speaker 2: Trump's here, we can just roll this ship back. It's
Speaker 2: it's also kind of the to to cover their own
Speaker 2: ass in some ways. And so I think you put
Speaker 2: about echoable consumerism. I think like at the at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, many of these organizations still many
Speaker 2: many these businesses, Like, for example, I saw there's an
Speaker 2: interesting point about Target. Right, a lot of people were like,
Speaker 2: fuck Target, let's boycot Target. But there are a lot
Speaker 2: of people who were also like, Okay, but there are
Speaker 2: still great black owned brands or minory own brands who
Speaker 2: still rely on their partnership with Target for their income.
Speaker 2: And that partnership with partnership like requires people to go
Speaker 2: to go buy their stuff too. Right now, I think
Speaker 2: emitable consumerism would look like how is there a direct
Speaker 2: line to that brand instead?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Like, like, I think the issue is that maybe Target
Speaker 2: should not be the middle person involved. But Target also
Speaker 2: has had the resources to increase their production, have the
Speaker 2: resources to get their brand out there and give them
Speaker 2: much stronger brandanity. Right, So, what are ways in which
Speaker 2: in which we can also like, we can also do
Speaker 2: that and and I and I and I juxtapose this
Speaker 2: right with with Ranchesca Ramsey's you know just because the
Speaker 2: last last episode, but with her point of just just
Speaker 2: because being as a minority own does not mean that's
Speaker 2: that's that's inherently great. And so I think, right with
Speaker 2: them of equable consumerism, we have to think of how
Speaker 2: do we support like our people in distributing great products
Speaker 2: one right, how do we support those products that maybe
Speaker 2: cut out a middle person who like like like who
Speaker 2: can who?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I think the issues that target probably gives them money
Speaker 2: up up up front, right, and so they can build
Speaker 2: the business versus with people like then they have to
Speaker 2: build the business in a slow way with like slow
Speaker 2: income from us, right, or prices really really high as
Speaker 2: well too, Like that's the other part is like having
Speaker 2: a Boers is also hard because like, let's be honest.
Speaker 2: You go, let's be honest, y'all. You go to a
Speaker 2: nicety restaurant that's farm a table and the prices are
Speaker 2: thirty bucks for play dinner, and you're like, I'm not
Speaker 2: paying the bucks to this play dinner, right, Like we
Speaker 2: also are like mad about, well, we gotta spend twenty
Speaker 2: money on stuff?
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like, is this play of chicken worth thirty
Speaker 2: bucks just just to support my heart, right yeah, like yeah,
Speaker 2: that is it that worth it? You know, cause soty
Speaker 2: bucks can go a long way some days I can
Speaker 2: give me two rounds to talk about with this or something,
Speaker 2: you know. And so I think like partly part of this, truthfully,
Speaker 2: part of this is also your own mindset. Like, right,
Speaker 2: I think people, we're seeing that the systems around us,
Speaker 2: the systems runners are not built for eble echable consumerism, and.
Speaker 1: I and it's intentional. That's intentional.
Speaker 2: And so I hate hate to put the onus on
Speaker 2: us because I don't be because in the day, like
Speaker 2: and so and so, I think in one way, right,
Speaker 2: like we can be responded, like people can't boycott Target
Speaker 2: or Walmart at in the day, people rely on those
Speaker 2: things one because it's the only place that is in
Speaker 2: their area that they can access and reach. Right, the
Speaker 2: onus is not on them to have to dismantle that system.
Speaker 2: And in that at the same time, the onness also
Speaker 2: is on us to figure out a different way to
Speaker 2: participate in a different formal consumerism because we know that
Speaker 2: the systems around us are not built on purpose by
Speaker 2: design to embrace a lens of echable consumerism. So I
Speaker 2: think your question, like, is there a way to do it?
Speaker 2: I mean, I honestly don't know how. I think part
Speaker 2: of it comes down to how do you how do
Speaker 2: we invest? Well, let me rephrase, there is a way how,
Speaker 2: but it requires a lot more risk from us than
Speaker 2: there is reward. And I think in the day, as humans,
Speaker 2: we're all hardwired to like have risk to have reward.
Speaker 2: We all want the low dupamine hit because our or
Speaker 2: the culture that maybe not all humans, but Americans as
Speaker 2: our culture, as our culture gives makes us do right.
Speaker 2: Our culture har wires us to say we want to
Speaker 2: have the hit of pleasures and pleasure and instant graviication.
Speaker 2: And so are we willing to write like are we
Speaker 2: willing to forsake Amazon Prime delivery in two days? And
Speaker 2: you know, like like and use this black owned marketplace
Speaker 2: brand instead too. But people don't want to sacrifice convenience,
Speaker 2: and so I think, like, it's just a really hard way.
Speaker 2: I think I think consumerism only begins truly. I believe
Speaker 2: it only begins in like smaller intentional communities, right, Like
Speaker 2: I only see it how in farmer's markets. I see
Speaker 2: it only happen in like in commune like style places, right,
Speaker 2: like those places as models where you actually can begin
Speaker 2: to practice the level of echeable consumerism. But it's a
Speaker 2: lot of work to do that as well too. It's
Speaker 2: a lot of work to do that. So it's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hard, and I mean, obviously I don't have any
Speaker 2: clear answer, and I'm not saying I want really clear
Speaker 2: I'm not saying whether these things are right are wrong,
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to drag anybody like I'm dragging myself.
Speaker 2: None of same thing. Like I also, to to fortake
Speaker 2: convenience is really hard, right, But what I think about
Speaker 2: a lot is like, right now, I live in a
Speaker 2: place where can access many things by foot, and so
Speaker 2: my privilege is that I can be a bit marketable
Speaker 2: in my consumerism because I can walk to places, not
Speaker 2: to dry to places or have things delivered. I can
Speaker 2: walk and do those things myself, which is amazing. You know.
Speaker 2: For example, right like John, like you like you live
Speaker 2: in an area where you can't do that.
Speaker 1: You have to drive you to?
Speaker 2: Yeah you do?
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I mean you, oh my gosh, what
Speaker 1: you just said is very much like I'm I'm fucking
Speaker 1: with it so much because it's real it's and I
Speaker 1: definitely want to say to your point, a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff is designed this like a lot of this
Speaker 1: stuff is built this way by design, like it is
Speaker 1: intentional because the thing is like, so, look like, so
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about me for a second. Right, let
Speaker 1: let me put myself out on front Street, because like
Speaker 1: I said, this year, we gonna be a lot more
Speaker 1: forward about me per se and and and I feel
Speaker 1: like being a little bit more vulnerable on this show
Speaker 1: is really helping me kind of process some things. So
Speaker 1: like me and my partner, we go, Okay, well we
Speaker 1: want a bigger place, and we want this and we
Speaker 1: want that, we want more space. Blah blah blah blah blah. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we move into a bigger place. But now the
Speaker 1: gag is everything around us. It takes fifteen to twenty
Speaker 1: minutes to get you, so that means you have to
Speaker 1: have a car. But also on top of that, there
Speaker 1: is no but there's no there is no outside of
Speaker 1: a state of Brothers, and outside of maybe an Alberton's,
Speaker 1: and outside of a Rouse, there is no there's nothing
Speaker 1: else around me in order to quote unquote consume, right,
Speaker 1: So I have to drive to Target. Sometimes to get
Speaker 1: stuff for my hair, I have to drive to Target
Speaker 1: to get you know, a shirt or some clothes, you know,
Speaker 1: if if I want to look cute for something, right,
Speaker 1: like for my partners. You know, we had a like
Speaker 1: I said, I had a death in my family. What
Speaker 1: I wore too that event was And this is the
Speaker 1: other gag of it all too. Let's talk about if
Speaker 1: we really want to go there and this. These are
Speaker 1: the things that I'm like I said, these are all
Speaker 1: of the things that I'm constantly thinking about if I
Speaker 1: want clothes, especially being a big girl, I can't just
Speaker 1: walk into you know, a Forever twenty one or or
Speaker 1: high a more high end company to find something to wear,
Speaker 1: right like I have to. I have to order it
Speaker 1: and wait two to three weeks.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, in this instance where I'm being asked to do
Speaker 1: this thing for the family member who passed away, I
Speaker 1: need something I believe this is not used to wear.
Speaker 1: So the only place I can go is Target because
Speaker 1: there's a big girl line there.
Speaker 2: You want, you want ethical and echable consumerism, Give me
Speaker 2: a fat bitch opportunities to body clothes five feet from
Speaker 2: my house direct right directly.
Speaker 1: It's all like all of this ship is is it?
Speaker 1: Like so I said, like if they're they're like you
Speaker 1: want to And this is the thing I'm really trying
Speaker 1: to posit here. We want to do the right thing.
Speaker 1: It's not like we're setting out to be a terrible
Speaker 1: person every single day, like at least at least for me,
Speaker 1: for as for me and my household. I'm always trying
Speaker 1: to do what I believe is the least damage in
Speaker 1: this world. Right, I'm trying not to harm anyone or
Speaker 1: do harm in anything that I do. But the system
Speaker 1: is so set up, and that's what I'm I guess
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to say. Well, with putting myself
Speaker 1: out on front street, Yes, do do I want to
Speaker 1: ignore Target? Yes? I I there there might be moments
Speaker 1: of me where I'm like fuck Target because of what
Speaker 1: they're doing or because of what they've done. But by design,
Speaker 1: I'm set up to be like for Target to be
Speaker 1: that only line for me right now, because there's not
Speaker 1: even there, Like I said, there's no other place around
Speaker 1: me at this point that I can drive to outside
Speaker 1: of a target. And especially and this is what I'm
Speaker 1: also talking about time, right, how many of us really
Speaker 1: have the And so this is what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: say too, because I know that there might be people
Speaker 1: that might be listening and being like John, you're looking
Speaker 1: for outs, You're looking for ways to talk about it
Speaker 1: as if you're not holding yourself accountable. And I'm going, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I was to sit down and try to think
Speaker 1: about that, how like there's so much time in trying
Speaker 1: to like and again, if it was easy, we'd all
Speaker 1: be doing It's That's what I'm really trying to get at.
Speaker 1: This shit is made this way intentionally for us to
Speaker 1: be like, well, we have to rely on Target, we
Speaker 1: have to rely on Walmart, we have to rely on
Speaker 1: this Amazon for things, because if we don't, if it's
Speaker 1: not done this way, then we're pretty much you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, we're pretty It's made this way
Speaker 1: in order for us to feed into it. That's literally
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. And so the gag becomes like,
Speaker 1: how do we figure out a way to disengage all
Speaker 1: of this stuff? And again, I don't want to ignore
Speaker 1: the DEI of it all, right, Like, yes, the DEI
Speaker 1: of it is important, right, it is important for us
Speaker 1: to hold these companies accountable and to say, well, you
Speaker 1: said you were going to do this and now you're not.
Speaker 1: What the fuck is going on? But I will also
Speaker 1: say that there's still a part of us too that
Speaker 1: has to sit with all of this and has to say,
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do to make sure that we're
Speaker 1: not putting all of our eggs in the baskets of
Speaker 1: companies like Target and the companies I don't know who else,
Speaker 1: or send it their DII, like I mean, I know
Speaker 1: Costco still has it, but I'm just what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is it's like we can't keep looking to them as
Speaker 1: being the end all be alls for everything that we
Speaker 1: do and everything that we need.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I think context is important for people.
Speaker 2: They think it's really easy. It's really easy for people
Speaker 2: to be upset with others for what they don't do
Speaker 2: when you don't understand the context which the person exists, right,
Speaker 2: Like for example, like it could be easy for me
Speaker 2: to like to your point of someone saying John, like
Speaker 2: they're trying to find it out right, it can be
Speaker 2: easy for me to for me to be like John,
Speaker 2: like you could do more in this way. But in
Speaker 2: the day, again, I live in a place where I
Speaker 2: can literally walk to do all those things right myself.
Speaker 2: So right, like my context is different than your context.
Speaker 2: So that's and like like and like that's a matter
Speaker 2: of the region, which I the different regions in which
Speaker 2: we live, you know, the like the ways our lives
Speaker 2: set up, the ways we want different the ways we
Speaker 2: want different things, like and so it actually does it
Speaker 2: actually does me? Does me no justice? And does you
Speaker 2: know justice for me to sit here and like transrag
Speaker 2: you for it because like because we have like two
Speaker 2: different contexts of life and that and people really didn't
Speaker 2: understand that context really is really important for how people
Speaker 2: live live their lives. I think you know, you also
Speaker 2: may have made a point right of like like like
Speaker 2: having a bigger space. And I think that's what I
Speaker 2: think a lot is capitalism in America, right, Really a
Speaker 2: capitalism's experiment or America's experiment was toying with the idea
Speaker 2: that we need more space. That's when that I'm grappling
Speaker 2: with a lot, right especially like as like a like
Speaker 2: as I as I own this condo and I think about,
Speaker 2: like am I gonna sell it? I? Am I gonna
Speaker 2: keep it? You know? Do I do I want to
Speaker 2: buy an actual house? And like a bigger house, right
Speaker 2: like I like I like I I grew up in
Speaker 2: a house that was to me like a great size.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not. I never feel like I need
Speaker 2: like a two story house or anything. I don't need
Speaker 2: like I don't need. I don't need to managine, I
Speaker 2: don't horrible like like like I I know, I know
Speaker 2: in my life, I don't own if if I if I,
Speaker 2: if I want to own a house, I want to
Speaker 2: own like a significantly home that is pretty quick. I
Speaker 2: don't need to have a big ass house.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But like in America, the creation of the suburb was
Speaker 2: one was white flight, but also was idea to have
Speaker 2: more space. Right, so you have a six room house
Speaker 2: where they full back yard and full front yard, and
Speaker 2: it's framed as like, oh, you have a place to
Speaker 2: raise your kids, you have a place to like you
Speaker 2: be a place to have your own space.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 2: That is also a part of consumerism. We are we
Speaker 2: are then made to consume, to consume too much because
Speaker 2: then you also have to fill that space with all
Speaker 2: these things as well, right and that and that becomes
Speaker 2: it then the symbol that you made it, right, you
Speaker 2: made it. If you have a house, a big guess
Speaker 2: house in a suburb where you have, uh you know,
Speaker 2: are three thousand foot house square foot house with a
Speaker 2: huge backyard, a pool and big gass front yard. Right Like,
Speaker 2: then you've made it. But what you're sacrificing is the
Speaker 2: ability to have a close relationship with your neighbors, the
Speaker 2: ability to have like, you know, people in your yard
Speaker 2: with you to do stuff with. And you were told
Speaker 2: not to do that because that's que unquot more dangerous. Right, Really,
Speaker 2: it was just about the idea of they didn't want
Speaker 2: people to mix with other with the races in the
Speaker 2: same cities.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking a lot about now as an adult,
Speaker 2: like especially as I am thirty and thinking about video
Speaker 2: putting roots down? How do I how do I want
Speaker 2: to put roots? I don't want to stay in a
Speaker 2: city and stay in the you stay in like a
Speaker 2: condo place and you know, condo or apartment style building
Speaker 2: where I maybe have just like about don't want to
Speaker 2: do a tenthouse or have a small yard break like
Speaker 2: I do. I do want a small yard. I do
Speaker 2: want I do want the ability to like grow my
Speaker 2: own veggies and stuff. Right, I would love to I
Speaker 2: would love to live in a place where maybe it's
Speaker 2: a complex that has a community guardian that I can
Speaker 2: be a part of. Right, Like, that's the thing that
Speaker 2: I want that will make you know, what what's most
Speaker 2: pleasing to me would be would be that style of
Speaker 2: like of living and and and that and that is
Speaker 2: like how I that's like one way that I would
Speaker 2: want to try and break away from the confines of
Speaker 2: capitalism and you know, capitalism and consumerism or you know,
Speaker 2: make my make my oppression much easier to navigate and
Speaker 2: deal with. Is that I live in a space where
Speaker 2: I feel more communal around me. Yeah, but like but
Speaker 2: that's also really not easy because this are expensive. People
Speaker 2: have to be have to be people to be on
Speaker 2: board with you, Right, how often do you need to
Speaker 2: know your neighbors in the spaces and spaces and so
Speaker 2: like you know, like like like it's just it's all
Speaker 2: like I think it's not about the idea of having out.
Speaker 2: Let's say, it's a de recognizing like if if someone's
Speaker 2: telling you that you that shows Matt you for trying
Speaker 2: to have an out, It's like okay, but like why
Speaker 2: like why is it john'sponssibility to fix to fix these systems.
Speaker 1: And that's the real gag of at all.
Speaker 2: Like what you like you know why like are are
Speaker 2: we all responsible for doing something? Sure? I believe that.
Speaker 2: And also you aren't, like you aren't you truthfully you
Speaker 2: will die before you can do that, right And like
Speaker 2: it's like when I don't want someone to like make
Speaker 2: you be a martyr for for a system that that
Speaker 2: will not that will not that they'll not crumble just
Speaker 2: under one person, and like like like and and and
Speaker 2: and then you die for it, like I know, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but I cannot ask anybody. Some people feel for people
Speaker 2: that they can say, yes, I'll die to do what's right,
Speaker 2: and I and and I get that bias. I want
Speaker 2: I want to ask. I want to die like like
Speaker 2: for that because if they die, then how they keep
Speaker 2: doing what's right? Right? I that's just how I see.
Speaker 2: I want ask anybody to die for that work. I
Speaker 2: will say, let's put let's let's let's let's risk things together,
Speaker 2: you know, let's risk safety together. But I don't want
Speaker 2: to be able to risk their lives for it. Some
Speaker 2: people will and people doing it, and I and I
Speaker 2: think I think there is like FIRS, there for sure
Speaker 2: is a there is like I get white people doing it,
Speaker 2: and there is like a reason to do that, but
Speaker 2: I don't find joy and I don't and I don't
Speaker 2: find like to me, like, I don't think you're morally
Speaker 2: morally superior or more righteous to do that. I think like,
Speaker 2: what's more, what's better is that we find ways to
Speaker 2: get you to live and break systems and the brothers
Speaker 2: the brother than die your break systems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean and I think that there is
Speaker 1: you know out this will be kind of like my
Speaker 1: last thought, you know. So I'm sitting with you know,
Speaker 1: as I'm listening to you talk, my mind is in
Speaker 1: the mind of the place of do the best, the
Speaker 1: do the best that you can when you can. And
Speaker 1: I think that that there there there are some things
Speaker 1: where you'll equal, you know, there there are some active
Speaker 1: ways that even for me with my dollar while go
Speaker 1: I'm not going air, I'm not shopping their I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not spending my money there because I know, like,
Speaker 1: for instance, hobby lobby, you could not get me to
Speaker 1: walk into a hobby life. It is very clear, and
Speaker 1: it is very now. I don't know what other people
Speaker 1: do with their money, but I know for me and
Speaker 1: for mine, hobby lobby is one place I will never
Speaker 1: spend my dollar, right, But I'm thinking to myself like
Speaker 1: that is there there are some things that I can
Speaker 1: say I could go without that I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: ever need to shop there because I I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna make or break me, right. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is, you know, someone can say, well, you can
Speaker 1: make the same thing. You know, you can make the
Speaker 1: same notion for Target, And I'm going, Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: if we're where I'm at is this we can't keep
Speaker 1: talking about stuff and not providing alternatives. And that's where
Speaker 1: my my heart is right now. If we're going like
Speaker 1: collectively as a community, I would love for us to
Speaker 1: start having these difficult conversations about, yes, where people are
Speaker 1: putting their money, who they're putting their money behind, blah blah.
Speaker 1: We can have all of that, but let's also have
Speaker 1: the conversation of what is the alternative?
Speaker 2: So you have you, you have a.
Speaker 1: You have issues with you know, Tim Cook, and you
Speaker 1: have issues with Apple. Okay, so what's my alternative? Going
Speaker 1: to an Android? Absolutely not so like what what what
Speaker 1: do I do? Like? Well, who?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 1: Where do I go you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: that's that's the kind of stuff. So like, I just
Speaker 1: I need people. And again I'm just I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: asking this partly to be funny, but I'm also partly
Speaker 1: really serious. You're telling people who may rely, heavily and
Speaker 1: solely on Target to stop shopping at Target. What is
Speaker 1: the alternative for somebody who lives in a place like
Speaker 1: myself where I can't shop anywhere else? And I'll be transparent,
Speaker 1: someone could even say, well, you could go to Walmart.
Speaker 1: There is no Walmart around me. Sis where I live,
Speaker 1: there is no Walmart. I would have to drive twenty
Speaker 1: five thirty minutes away to get to a Walmart. And
Speaker 1: so now I'm looking around and I'm going I barely
Speaker 1: have time sometimes to eat, like I'm rushing to eat today,
Speaker 1: and I'm going so twenty five minutes to drive to
Speaker 1: a store because I'm I don't want to give my
Speaker 1: money to Target. Girl, If you don't get the fuck
Speaker 1: up out of here with that, Like I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like I know, like I know, and I know that
Speaker 1: this conversation will probably have some of y'all ready to
Speaker 1: type on them keys and you'll probably wanting to send
Speaker 1: us messages and you want to send us your thoughts,
Speaker 1: and you're probably even saying this conversation is problematic. Yes,
Speaker 1: I wanted to lean into this conversation because these are
Speaker 1: the conversations we need to be having. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is is that if we're going to critique these systems, right,
Speaker 1: we've got to come up with a collective alternative. And
Speaker 1: that is the thing I guess I'm trying to inspire
Speaker 1: with this conversation is like, we as a community, what
Speaker 1: are so? And again, if you if you've got issues
Speaker 1: with I don't want to speak for Johamas for myself,
Speaker 1: if you've got issues with me going to target, I
Speaker 1: need to know the alternative. That's That's literally all that
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you've got an issue with any form
Speaker 1: of capitalism that either one of us participate in collectively
Speaker 1: as a community, I would love for us to start
Speaker 1: entertaining alternatives that actually are going to move the needle.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at.
Speaker 2: I'll just say, I'll just say that if anyone's coming
Speaker 2: for anybody, but you're also you're also the person who's
Speaker 2: still using TikTok caught to us nice, caught to us nice,
Speaker 2: That's all I gotta say, because.
Speaker 1: Like any of these social media platforms, honest.
Speaker 2: Like the ways in which ways which we need to
Speaker 2: go ship was right and wrong in.
Speaker 1: This place, right And I think that's the other gag
Speaker 1: of it all for me in this moment, is that
Speaker 1: we just there's so many people on a high horse
Speaker 1: around what they do and what they don't do. And again,
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm not trying to drag anybody. I
Speaker 1: just think you know where I want to. I want
Speaker 1: to engage these conversations because I don't feel like there's
Speaker 1: enough nuance in them, right like, And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like again, I want to make it very clear that
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm gonna I stand for Target, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go up for Target, and I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: up for for all of these No, fuck all these companies,
Speaker 1: Fuck capitalism as a whole because it is damning and
Speaker 1: has done a lot of damage, and it has hurt
Speaker 1: a lot of people and it's going to hurt a
Speaker 1: lot of people. That is the thing I want to
Speaker 1: make very very clear that I'm trying to be on
Speaker 1: the right side when I talk about this shit. But
Speaker 1: I also want to make it very clear that we
Speaker 1: live in a system that has intentionally made it hard
Speaker 1: for us to move away from this stuff. So my
Speaker 1: thing becomes, if we're gonna stand on business and we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about all the things we should be doing
Speaker 1: and all the things that we shouldn't be doing with
Speaker 1: our money, specifically with my money, with my LLC, with
Speaker 1: my ten ninety nine. I want to know what the
Speaker 1: alternative is. And I'm not telling people to jump on
Speaker 1: the keys to write me a dissertation about what the
Speaker 1: alternative is. I'm just asking us to engage that before
Speaker 1: we go to somebody and tell them what they they
Speaker 1: should be doing or what they shouldn't be doing, Like,
Speaker 1: make sure you have a very clear cut plan and
Speaker 1: objective to say, because again and I and I and
Speaker 1: I agree with you. So you tell me don't shop
Speaker 1: at Okay, And I keep using Target as an example
Speaker 1: because that's the only thing that's coming to mind. Because
Speaker 1: we are recurring, we are recording very early, so I
Speaker 1: have people, you know, I think about this kind of
Speaker 1: Like you said to Francesca's point, well, just because it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's minority owned doesn't make it a good company. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you tell me don't shop at Target, don't shop
Speaker 1: at Walmart, don't shop at any of these big retailers
Speaker 1: like Amazon or blah blah blah to get your stuff. Okay,
Speaker 1: is is the alternate just as good? Because I want
Speaker 1: to know. I would like to know that, like that
Speaker 1: is that is literally where my head is, Like so,
Speaker 1: and I mean, we can beat this for hours, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I think we all have to
Speaker 1: just be very careful. I guess that's my point. And
Speaker 1: in wrapping up this segment, I think we've really got
Speaker 1: to be very careful about what advice and what thoughts
Speaker 1: and what things we're telling people to do and not
Speaker 1: do with their money, especially right now when so many
Speaker 1: of us might not have a lot of it, Like
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who are who are
Speaker 1: really struggling, and it's like, please don't add to the
Speaker 1: stress that people already have of being like now I
Speaker 1: have to feel guilty for just trying to survive. And
Speaker 1: I think that, like I said, this, this whole high
Speaker 1: horse piece, it ties right back into capitalism. That's literally
Speaker 1: what it's. It's it's intended to do so. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you wanted to add anything else
Speaker 1: before we move on. Little okay, anyway, all that to
Speaker 1: be said, now that I want to sell everything I
Speaker 1: own and move into a commune, we need to take
Speaker 1: a break and collect my things. But when we get back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about what's on our plate more an
Speaker 1: a bit.
Speaker 2: All right, fam, we are back, and this week we're
Speaker 2: having to the lighter side of our Our entire episode
Speaker 2: that we had ain't that heavy though it was good.
Speaker 2: Now this week we will keep the theme of consumerism.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you, what's something that you consume too
Speaker 2: much of? It's something that you can't help but keep.
Speaker 2: You know, I have thought of you when I broke
Speaker 2: this question. I have thought, my god, I know you
Speaker 2: you let the bag or you let the bag, and
Speaker 2: rightfully so rightfully so so I would say for me,
Speaker 2: my the thing that I consume too much of, I
Speaker 2: think is like coffee. I will go out of my way.
Speaker 2: I will I will show up late to a meeting,
Speaker 2: I will show up late to a game. I would
Speaker 2: show up late to anything. It means that I can
Speaker 2: go out of the way and give myself a little
Speaker 2: treaty by give myself a little a little coffee at
Speaker 2: some local coffee shop. Do I have a pressmaker at home? Yes?
Speaker 2: Could I make my own espresso at home? Can make
Speaker 2: a latte at home? Yes? And for some pounds I do?
Speaker 2: But like, well, yes, and yet I keep deciding to
Speaker 2: say no, let me just go out my way and
Speaker 2: buy this thing. Right. It also comes down to, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't have the time. I like, like, I don't
Speaker 2: have time to get the beans out, grind the beans
Speaker 2: put in the thing like I'm I'm gonna have time
Speaker 2: to do all that? Right? I could I have a
Speaker 2: grindeary of all the things, can be all the things
Speaker 2: I need to do. I can make my own syrups
Speaker 2: if if I want to be that bitch, I could
Speaker 2: make my own syrups. I don't know how to do it,
Speaker 2: but I rather, Oh, I just go and support some
Speaker 2: local coffee shop and pay ten bucks for this little
Speaker 2: decaf latte for twelve ounces at half of it is
Speaker 2: eyes and be and be on my way. So even
Speaker 2: though I'm a girl, why I will literally I would
Speaker 2: literally be literally. The other day I was I'm a
Speaker 2: way to a meeting I was. I was four feet
Speaker 2: from parking, right from the office. I said, let me go,
Speaker 2: let me go and get a little treats real quick.
Speaker 2: When I came back, see.
Speaker 1: You doing this on the tea. Yeah, that's real, that's real.
Speaker 1: I feel that. And you know what I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to one plus that because
Speaker 1: I too, so I make I will if I know
Speaker 1: I'm leaving this house. So like yesterday, I again vulnerability.
Speaker 1: I have a seed pat machine. I have to sleep
Speaker 1: with it, and I had to go get a new one.
Speaker 1: And my appointment yesterday was at eight thirty. Tell me why.
Speaker 1: The night before me leaving, I was like googling, like
Speaker 1: not googling. I was on my uh maps app detailing
Speaker 1: how far it would take me, like how long it
Speaker 1: would take me to get there. And then I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: well it takes technically forty minutes to get there, So
Speaker 1: that means I need to leave fifty five minutes ahead
Speaker 1: of time, so I have enough time to slide through
Speaker 1: the coffee bean to get me to give me something
Speaker 1: to drink by Mike, because I have a coffee bean
Speaker 1: right next to where I'm going. And so that's literally
Speaker 1: like so I'm right there with you, because girl, I'm
Speaker 1: notorious too for putting an extra time and being like
Speaker 1: how long will it take me to slide through.
Speaker 2: This running late because coffee? But oh, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: As my cats know, it's because I'm getting coffee. Girl,
Speaker 2: I am happily texted you if if if I test you,
Speaker 2: I'm on my way. I am happily inlan. I'm definitely
Speaker 2: not my wife. I am coffee.
Speaker 1: I feel that, so I yes, So this is a
Speaker 1: great question. And then, you know, I think it's a
Speaker 1: very human question because it's like, who are we to
Speaker 1: talk about these systems if we're not also interrogating ourselves.
Speaker 1: And you know, we went back and forth about all
Speaker 1: the things that I purchased that I probably shouldn't purchase.
Speaker 1: But I said, the one thing I feel the most
Speaker 1: comfortable talking about that doesn't make me feel like trash
Speaker 1: is is fast fashion. And I say that there there's
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like a like I would love
Speaker 1: to really be like okay, like I like I, I
Speaker 1: you know, I could go here and I can go
Speaker 1: to these other places and buy stuff, but I also
Speaker 1: know and kind of taking a page out of Jade's book.
Speaker 1: So you know, I listened to Jade and XD and
Speaker 1: I know that was something that they talked about last
Speaker 1: week on their show. They were talking about like the
Speaker 1: how how much we're ruining the earth because of fast fashion,
Speaker 1: and I know there's a whole documentary about it. There's
Speaker 1: a whole documentary about, you know what, the ways that
Speaker 1: we are ruining the earth. And when I say fast fashion,
Speaker 1: when I'm talking about it's like shan and what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about is also like Forever twenty one and you know,
Speaker 1: H and M is also a fast fashion brand, like
Speaker 1: and it's not to say I shopped there all the time,
Speaker 1: but there have been times where I have said, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to buy this one thing, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: buy it in every single color like and then that's
Speaker 1: something I do. And the reason why I do it
Speaker 1: is is because it's like, well, if I can get
Speaker 1: this one thing in this size, and I know that
Speaker 1: I have multiple versions of it, it just makes it
Speaker 1: easier for me along down the line. If I have
Speaker 1: to like get dressed, I don't have to worry. I
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about not having something to wear.
Speaker 1: And it is something I think a lot about like
Speaker 1: you know, am I part? And there are other things too,
Speaker 1: like you know there I was just telling Jojo about
Speaker 1: something I bought that I probably shouldn't have bought. But
Speaker 1: it's one of those things of like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: actively slow down and tell myself, like, girl, you don't
Speaker 1: have to buy that shirt in six different colors if
Speaker 1: you're not if you're only gonna wear it probably two
Speaker 1: or three times. And so I try to be what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be more into Joo about is if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy all of these clothes to try to
Speaker 1: make sure that I wear them regularly, or that I
Speaker 1: that before I think about going out to buy something
Speaker 1: new for an event or for a conference, or for
Speaker 1: a show or whatever the case may be, that I
Speaker 1: wear what I actually own. And so and it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard because we live in a world and I
Speaker 1: say we mean meaning me and Joho, where we're constantly
Speaker 1: in front of a camera, or we're constantly at an event,
Speaker 1: or we're constantly running around with people, and we want
Speaker 1: to look good, and so in your mind it's like
Speaker 1: I want to buy something new, but you also feel
Speaker 1: bad because you know you're feeding into the system again
Speaker 1: of capitalism, and so that that's something I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be more intentional about it. Like, girl, you don't need that,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't need that dress in like eight
Speaker 1: different colors. Get it into two and wear it until
Speaker 1: it starts to tear. That's really it.
Speaker 2: So well, now that now that we got us thinking
Speaker 2: about the ways wis we should stop consuming, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take my break and get a little treats to the
Speaker 2: college shop next door. Uh, just you know, just for
Speaker 2: that one one last hit, one last hit, double mean
Speaker 2: in just a second.
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, So we are back with our final
Speaker 1: segment of this episode, and for those of you who
Speaker 1: are new listening around here, our last segment is yes ma'am,
Speaker 1: No man, Pam. This is where we talk about the
Speaker 1: things that we love or the things that we love
Speaker 1: to see in the things that we don't. This week,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go ahead. Both of mine are very
Speaker 1: very simple and very kind of quick to the point.
Speaker 1: I simply just wanted to say for my yes ma'am
Speaker 1: this week, I wanted to shout out the parents that
Speaker 1: are openly loving on their queer and trans children. I
Speaker 1: often see, I wanna say often because of the work
Speaker 1: that I do, I have a lot of parents who
Speaker 1: are hitting people in my org or literally coming to
Speaker 1: us and saying, hey, how do I do this for
Speaker 1: my child? My child is scared, my child is dealing
Speaker 1: with this, you know, what do we do? And it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, even when a parent doesn't know what to do,
Speaker 1: I think it is so it makes my heart feel
Speaker 1: so good to know that there's a parent out there
Speaker 1: who's trying, you know, like that there's a parent out
Speaker 1: there who's like, I don't know the right way to
Speaker 1: do this thing, and I'm going to ask for help
Speaker 1: with it. But at least I want my child to
Speaker 1: know that I actively see that the world is trying
Speaker 1: to harm them, and then I don't want that to happen.
Speaker 1: So I just really wanted to shout out any parent
Speaker 1: who is out there. And I say parent, not just
Speaker 1: in the idea of like you birthing a child. I'm
Speaker 1: saying if you have taken in your niece or nephew,
Speaker 1: and you recognize your niece or nephew is trans and
Speaker 1: you're raising them and you're wanting to do what's right
Speaker 1: for your niece or whatever that means anybody who was
Speaker 1: doing their best to protect and love on their clear
Speaker 1: children right now and into eternity. Right But I'm saying
Speaker 1: in this moment, I just I want to say, like,
Speaker 1: I see you, and I salute you, and I definitely
Speaker 1: think you're the reason that you are one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why I just I appreciate what I get to
Speaker 1: do and what I again, what I get to do
Speaker 1: through my nine to five. And for those of you
Speaker 1: who don't know, I work for a children's organization in
Speaker 1: my nine to five when I'm not on the MIC,
Speaker 1: I work for a nonprofit that focuses on queer and
Speaker 1: trans youth. And so I don't want to say the
Speaker 1: name because again I don't want people coming after the org,
Speaker 1: but I definitely do want folks to know like I
Speaker 1: see them, and I see the struggle, and I'm definitely
Speaker 1: there with you, all right. So for my no man, Pam,
Speaker 1: this is a very simple thing. I just I've I've
Speaker 1: noticed it over the years, but I'm noticing it a
Speaker 1: lot more now. People who don't walk their dogs with
Speaker 1: leash with a leash? Can we can? We can? We not?
Speaker 1: Like I know, there's bigger fish to fry. But my
Speaker 1: thing is, like, I just I don't comprehend why, Like,
Speaker 1: why is it so hard for you to walk your
Speaker 1: dog on a leash?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Like and it's and that's the thing, Like I people,
Speaker 1: Oh he's friendly, he's okay, he can be friendly to you.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that fucking dog. I don't know
Speaker 1: what he is capable of. And and this is this
Speaker 1: is spawned from a moment yesterday. So yesterday, as I
Speaker 1: was getting ready to get into my car, there was
Speaker 1: a man jogging past where I live and his dog
Speaker 1: like ran up on the other side, and I jumped
Speaker 1: into my car and slammed my door. And as I'm
Speaker 1: pulling away, he like looks over. Yeah he's cool, he's school.
Speaker 1: He's school. I don't give a damn if you think
Speaker 1: your dog is cool. I don't know that dog. And
Speaker 1: he was like a rock riler. He wasn't a big one,
Speaker 1: but he was a rock whiler. And I'm like, can
Speaker 1: we not, like just put him on a leash. I
Speaker 1: don't want to have to suit you. I don't want
Speaker 1: to get bit But yeah, I just the people who
Speaker 1: try to, oh he's he's a cute dog. Oh, he's sweet.
Speaker 1: Put your damn dog on a leash. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't care, I don't care. Please, So that's that's it.
Speaker 1: What do you got this week? Says?
Speaker 2: Let me just say, your dogs are not your children.
Speaker 2: They're not kids. They're dogs, they're animals, they're not kids.
Speaker 2: So consider that when you have them off fleash, it
Speaker 2: is not legal. And I love the idea of you
Speaker 2: the laws, but it's the law that may not be
Speaker 2: worth ben for you girls. So just don't do a bitch.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so just lords in heaven my s bam.
Speaker 2: So the people gagged about Trump's policies and who voted
Speaker 2: for him? You look so right now? Yeah, like that's
Speaker 2: just really like y'all got about his policies and you
Speaker 2: vote for him. That's just what happens. You do. Clown
Speaker 2: ship and clown shit happen. So that's it now, I know, ma'am,
Speaker 2: Pam is okay. So this is this is a bit
Speaker 2: serious people, serious people. I understand people are like people
Speaker 2: are posting about what to do with an ice rates
Speaker 2: happens happens around you, right, And I get that. I
Speaker 2: think like information sharing is great, that's what be mindful,
Speaker 2: like we exist, we still exist in Surventance place, and
Speaker 2: so I'm I don't think it's so far fascial that
Speaker 2: people are watching you. So if you're posting about things
Speaker 2: to say or do, or you're posting things like I
Speaker 2: won't give my neighbor up for an ice raid, right,
Speaker 2: that's some point that your neighbor might be documented and
Speaker 2: that could lead the ice to your to your door,
Speaker 2: and like what are you gonna do then when they
Speaker 2: atkal them your door? So like I will be really
Speaker 2: clear of like be mindful you post about ice because
Speaker 2: you could really being engaging people around you as well too,
Speaker 2: Like I don't posted anything because like what I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna do is in danger with people that I love
Speaker 2: at all, Right, what am not gonna do? I'm go
Speaker 2: to the information and say work, thank you. But like
Speaker 2: some like sometimes the information sharing isn't always the best thing.
Speaker 2: Send it, girls, send it and send it in a
Speaker 2: message to somebody. Don't post it on your story because
Speaker 2: sometimes I actually could lead to for the nature of
Speaker 2: other people, especially if you're if you're acknowledge that you
Speaker 2: may have someone in your life who who is who
Speaker 2: is Who's? A documentar can be impacted by eyes and
Speaker 2: then like that could can I'm not saying that's your fault.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, can you contribute to them being discovered? You
Speaker 2: don't want that, so really be mindful of how you
Speaker 2: share things. That's really it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you you're you are making a really good point.
Speaker 1: And I think that, I mean, we could do a
Speaker 1: whole We could do a whole episode on that too,
Speaker 1: about you know, information sharing. But I think there is
Speaker 1: this idea of like people wanting to be like, we
Speaker 1: got to get the information to the people.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I really appreciated at Creating
Speaker 1: Change was there was a there was a in particular,
Speaker 1: they called it Leplinary that they did and they told people,
Speaker 1: do not record, do not take information from this and
Speaker 1: put it on social do not post any clips whatever,
Speaker 1: what like, we want this conversation to just be within
Speaker 1: the doors of creating change. And it was about strategic
Speaker 1: It was about all this stuff like what a strategy,
Speaker 1: what is like what are we doing collectively to try
Speaker 1: to make sure that we're protecting our people? And I
Speaker 1: think we need to do more of that. I think
Speaker 1: we really need to get to a place where we're
Speaker 1: actively organizing and we're not organizing online because obviously that's
Speaker 1: what we're giving a lot of We're losing the plot,
Speaker 1: like we're giving a lot of people a lot of
Speaker 1: information that they don't necessarily need. And I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, yeah, I have a feeling
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna get a lot of heat on this episode.
Speaker 1: But I ultimately was saying, like I believe, like that's
Speaker 1: the only way for us to Like Harriet Tubman didn't
Speaker 1: tell people where she was gonna be and where she
Speaker 1: was gonna go. Could you imagine Harriet Tubman posted alone,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be at this Like no, Harriet Tubman moved,
Speaker 1: you know, like like a you know, she moved in silence,
Speaker 1: like a gee and Lasagna, like she knew what she
Speaker 1: was doing. And I think we need to get back
Speaker 1: to that. We need to get back to the old days.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that all of their ways were the
Speaker 1: right ways, but I personally believe we need to get
Speaker 1: back to the days of the Black Panther Party. We
Speaker 1: need to get back to the days of Malcolm X.
Speaker 1: We need to get back to the days of the
Speaker 1: organizing and silence because because that's how we're gonna make
Speaker 1: true change. I feel like we're giving away to you know,
Speaker 1: we're giving away too many of the ingradients. We're telling
Speaker 1: too many people what's in the sauce. We still don't
Speaker 1: even know all the ingredients in KFC's chicken, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's for a reason, right and and and I
Speaker 1: think that's what we need to get back to you. So, yeah, Joe,
Speaker 1: you got my mind ruminated. But I definitely wanted to
Speaker 1: say that on the mic. All right. Well, with that
Speaker 1: being said, uh, who my god, what an episode. Please
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