1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: The Volume. 2 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: Welcome to Jenkins and Jones on The Volume podcast Network. 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: It is Monday, October seventeenth. Do y'all know I fucked 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: the date up last week. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 3: On the podcast No No, and I don't care, honestly, Mike, 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 3: you can date. 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 4: It's Monday, November thirty six. 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: As always, Jenkins and Jones hosted by my buddy's Dragonfly 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: Jones aka Tyler. 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 5: Hey, how's it got on? Everybody? 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 4: Mad? 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 6: Mike? 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, goddamn shot. 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: The Jethrow Jenkins aka Jonathan was that Bubba's I'm regard 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: to be aka Mike. Stay tuned. Later in the show, 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: we've got a great interview, one of my favorite interviews 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: we've ever done with John with An Abrams, whose book. 18 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 7: The Come Up releases tomorrow on Tuesday. 19 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: You definitely want to check that out and the interview 20 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: and the book. But really excited. We all got copies. 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: They sent us review copies. I'm a couple hundred pages 22 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 2: into it, loving it. Awesome book and I got a 23 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: great interview cam. Wait, all right, let's talk about the Warriors. 24 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 2: We could start with the Warriors. 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 7: Absolutely, obviously, I know I got to do. That's crazy, 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 7: that's crazy. That's insulting all right. 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: As you gear up for fall, you need the right 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: people on your team to help your small business fire 29 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: on all cylinders. LinkedIn Jobs is here to make it 30 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: easier to find the people you want to talk too, 31 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: faster and for free. 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All right, 54 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: let's talk about the big buck. 55 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 7: Warriors money bags. 56 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 5: She Yeah, the boys got paid everybody but one person. 57 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: Do y'all remember that clip when when they was popping 58 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: bottles in the locker room and pool and Wiggins was 59 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: huked out. They like what you're doing this summer? They're like, 60 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 1: I'm getting paid what you do? I'm getting for y'all? 61 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: Remember that? 62 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, here we are And they were correct. 63 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've forty million dollars over four years to Jordan Poole, 64 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 2: one hundred nine million dollars over four years and Andrew Wiggins. 65 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: It's gonna bring the Warriors payroll for the upcoming season 66 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: to a record setting four hundred eighty three million dollars. 67 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 5: Lem They'll be all right. 68 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: I remember everybody's saying that, uh, Wiggins was odd man out, 69 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, like bruh. 70 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 5: Did you see that man in the finals? 71 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: All Stars starter as young as he is. You know 72 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, You're gonna like, you know, you're gonna 73 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: let that go ridiculous. They're they're too smart to let 74 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: that go, you know what I mean. So I'm glad 75 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: he got his bag. I'm glad he was not man out. 76 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 3: He earned that for show. And it's interesting that he's 77 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: an All Star starter, he's young, he played, I had 78 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: a great finals and Pool still got that more money. 79 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: That's how highly they think a Pool, you know what 80 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: I mean. So that was something that I peeped as well. 81 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think the Warrior is it to 82 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 1: be commended here because we see so many championship teams 83 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: fall apart because owners don't want to pay people, you 84 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, you know, giving that process 85 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: for that because they they're not that's not gonna be 86 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: what's going to cause the downfall of the Warriors. Obviously 87 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: they're not gonna have Pool or Wiggins walk. They lock 88 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: both those guys in. So I mean, they look like 89 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: a franchise that you know, is fine with doing what 90 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: they need to do to remain you know, a championship 91 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: or a championship contender, which also brings us to the 92 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: next one, is that there's gonna be some tough decisions 93 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: coming up as well on the paydays for like Dreaming 94 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: and the Dreamond and Clay, So you know, I'm really 95 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: not sure how they figured those two out. 96 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: Honestly, Well, I appreciate it. It's it's interesting. I'm a Bob 97 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: Meyers fan. I'm always interested in what he has to say. 98 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: I think he communicates in a way that's like not 99 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: totally full of shit and also pretty straightforward. But his 100 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: quote was, I know what the numbers are. I can't 101 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: evaluate we're gonna what we're gonna do next season until 102 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: we see what happens this season. I just know this, 103 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: there's a huge commitment to winning. There always has been, 104 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: and I believe there always will be. I'm lucky to 105 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: be in an ownership group that believes that and their 106 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: actions prove it, and as a Lakers fan, I just 107 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: have to totally fucking agree with that. And I can't 108 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: believe that I'm sitting here wishing that the Clippers and 109 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: Warriors philosophy of winning first would trickle its way down 110 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: to the Los Angeles Lakers. But and and Meyer said 111 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: again they haven't made any kind of decision with Draymond 112 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: and Clay. 113 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 7: He said, we have to take it year to year. 114 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: If you asked me a year ago, if we were 115 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 2: gonna pay Pool and Wiggins this, I would not have believed. 116 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 4: You a year ago. 117 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 5: Bubbado, it's today and they are in that bag. You 118 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 5: feel me? But I want to reallynew a Claikes. I know, 119 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 5: like you know Draymond. 120 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: You know we've talked to out that, you know what 121 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: I mean. So, and Draymond is not the Draymond that 122 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 3: got the bag that he's actually playing on currently, you 123 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 3: know what I mean. But but Clay still has some 124 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 3: He's still putting up decent numbers, you know what I mean. 125 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: And he's you know, he's good, I mean's he's good 126 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: on decent on decent on the defensive end. 127 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 5: Still and still they. 128 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 7: Also don't have a hard cap. 129 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: I mean, they've progressively made it so that the luxury 130 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 2: makes you pay more and more of a penalty. But 131 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: if your ownership group says, we don't give a fuck, 132 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: I'll pay an extra hundred just to compete for the right, 133 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe they paid Draymond and Clay like, if 134 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: they truly don't give a fuck, then the NBA will 135 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: let you as long as you're paying a higher and 136 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: higher luxury tax, They'll let you spend what you want 137 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 2: to spend. 138 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 7: Well, what's the soft cap. 139 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: It's it's several tens of millions of dollars below what 140 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: their current payroll is. I don't know that they I 141 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: don't know that they're gonna feel pressure to make particularly 142 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: hard decisions if if they contend again, and honestly, even 143 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: with Draymond, if Draymond looks like the captain of the defense, 144 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: it's contending for a championship ship. 145 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 7: And y'all said it, they have the money. So worried 146 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 7: about the money? All right? 147 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 6: Uh? 148 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: Speaking of Uh, well, maybe a sport where money is 149 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: a little bit less predictable in terms of how it 150 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: helps you contend. 151 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: Uh. 152 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: Baseball playoffs have been absolutely fucking crazy. And I'm regretting 153 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: letting my son talk me into being a Dodgers fan 154 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. Uh, they just got knocked 155 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: out by the Padres after one of the best seasons 156 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: in best regular seasons in history. Uh, and the Braves 157 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: also got knocked out, So we have a fucking Padres, 158 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: Phillies and lcs like it's truly crazy. But I don't know, 159 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: there's it doesn't really feel like there's a lot of 160 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: playoffs left. Where is it like baseball and hockey where 161 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: it's just truly like who's hot, you know what I 162 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: mean at the moment, like it's wild. I've never seen 163 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: anything like that. You win one hundred eleven games, you 164 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: assume you're getting to the fucking championship series, like I don't. 165 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 5: That's the thing about baseball. 166 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know shit about howck And be honest, 167 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: I've watched like twelve hockey games in my entire life, 168 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So, uh, Baseball, I remember 169 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: like the Braves those years when they were like fucking 170 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: stacked and they would get be by the Phillies and 171 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: the Blue Jays and shit like that, and it's like 172 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: who the fuck Nobody was talking about these niggas all year, 173 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? The you know what I'm saying. 174 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: So that's baseball to me. When it comes to the playoffs. 175 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: As much as we shoot on baseball, I think it's 176 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: one of the most exciting playoffs because there's no guarantees, 177 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: Like going into that Prodre Padre series, there was a 178 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: chance if they if the batch got cold, they they 179 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: can lose at all times. There's zero, there's there's like 180 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: you said, there's there's there's less guarantees. 181 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 5: In baseball than possibly any other sport. Yeah, base baseball playoffs. 182 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: Like I cannot imagine being a fan of a team 183 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: watching baseball playoffs, right because the whole shit about you know, 184 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: I think the things that bore me about regular season 185 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: baseball excite me about playoff baseball. 186 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 5: Right. 187 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: The slow pace, the build up to the to the 188 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: suspenseful moments right like that bores me with regular season games, 189 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: but it's the whole ship of the whole playoffs and 190 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: then it has me on like the edge of my See, 191 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine being a fan of a team dealing 192 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: with that shit. 193 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 6: Bro. 194 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, it sucks, Bro, It's fucking terrible. 195 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: It was like one hundred and eleven wins, it was, 196 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: it was, and I think it was the biggest run 197 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: differential since nineteen sixteen. And then they lose three to 198 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: one to a team that they went fifteen and four 199 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: against during the regular season. 200 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 3: The regular season is like background music you know what 201 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 3: I'm saying. And then like the playoffs is like a 202 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: like the most suspicious it's. 203 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 5: Jaws, you know what I mean. Like you know what 204 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 5: I mean. 205 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 3: It's just like the discrepancy between like the regular season 206 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 3: and playoffs in baseball is probably the biggest, you know 207 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: what I mean of all the sports, cause it just 208 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 3: it feels like a totally different sport when the playoffs began, 209 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: Like it's a sport I can actually watch and enjoy. 210 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 5: It's not that through the regular season, you know what 211 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 5: I'm saying. 212 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: One hundred All right, stick around for our interview with 213 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: Jonathan Abrams. 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Currently 246 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: at The New York Times as a sport reporter, he 247 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: is here to discuss with us his new books set 248 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: to Drop, which is called The Come Up and Oral 249 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: History of the Rise of Hip Hop. We have the one, 250 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: the only Jonathan Abrams Jonathan, how's it going? 251 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 5: Brother? 252 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 4: What's up? 253 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 8: Fan? 254 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me on this week. I would 255 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 4: have not done good on Mina's episode. My fruit knowledge 256 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 4: is probably limited to now Elater flavors. 257 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: We did discuss candy flavors in that, like you know, 258 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: I discuss how I've got Cherry flavor was so much 259 00:11:59,320 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: better than Cherry's. 260 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 4: I was a kid, but you guys went in death. 261 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, she had. 262 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: She had a hipster list, Jonathan, for sure, but I was. 263 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: I was impressed, and it was I was laughing with 264 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: my wife about it because she was like, this is 265 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: definitely someone whose mom shopped at Asian grocery stores. Because 266 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: my wife was those are all my wife's favorite fruits. 267 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: But she was like, you weren't expecting Kiwi's pabias and 268 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: white nectarines on the top five fruit lists. 269 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 4: Yo, my kids will probably have scurvy or something because 270 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 4: they do not eat fruit. Really not force them unless 271 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 4: it's like a popsicle or something. 272 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: What about vegetables, any type of balance there balanced? 273 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 4: Nah? 274 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: Just meat cars you know, real medieval with it. 275 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. 276 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 4: Yo, I have a five year old. The only meat 277 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 4: he'll eat is Chick fil a chicken nuggets. I swear. 278 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 5: Uggets. I mean I can't if I had to pick 279 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 5: one meat that might be on the short list. 280 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: My daughter will eat Chick fil a chicken nuggets or 281 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: or white starch carps. She'll eat potatoes, she would eat rice, 282 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: she would eat bread. 283 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 7: And that is. 284 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 4: My little brother. 285 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 3: My little brother for two years, Alie eight was white 286 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 3: rice with soy sauce and honey nut cheerios. And he 287 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: still has his abs at twenty six. So the only 288 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 3: person that's still got him, you feel me? 289 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 5: So yeah, they'll be all right. 290 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: So Jonathan Man, first off, this book is incredible, bro, 291 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: Like it is an accomplishment. You know, I think The 292 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: history of hip hop is something that has been written 293 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: about a million times before, but never quite like this, 294 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: where you know, it's an oral history where you spoke 295 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: with like I think, over three hundred artists, DJ's, radio hosts, 296 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: record label execs to bring this story to us. It's 297 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: such an ambitious project and it's fucking incredible. So I'm 298 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: just curious about the process here because you know, like 299 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,359 Speaker 1: I said, it's such an ambitious, huge idea that manifested 300 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: itself in an incredible way. So I just want to 301 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: know the ins and outs of how you put this, 302 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, incredible, all encompassing piece together. 303 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 4: I appreciate that because I feel like I was working 304 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: on this thing since like Old Wayne started his mixtape run. 305 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 4: It's been a while, and I would like talk to 306 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 4: some of my journalist's friends and let them know that 307 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 4: I was working on something like this, and I would 308 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 4: see their side eye be like you're gonna try to 309 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 4: do what? 310 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 5: Yeah? 311 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: But I mean I probably would have said eyed you too, 312 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: Like it's like I said, it's a ridiculously ambitious idea 313 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: that you nailed. 314 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. 315 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 4: It it is, But you know, I thought that hip 316 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 4: hop is something that hasn't been excavated as much as 317 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 4: it should, especially those pivow early days. Right, Like it's 318 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 4: such a gargantuane industry and it permeates all of society. 319 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 4: Yet do people really know about Cool Heirk and Grandmaster 320 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 4: Flash and Cold Crush Brothers. So personally, I wanted to 321 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 4: learn more. So I started from that perspective, and then 322 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 4: as I continued to turn into this, this story, this 323 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 4: almost sag of how this musical genre rose from nothing 324 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 4: in the Bronx and just permeating everything that we see. 325 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 5: Today, Gosh gotch going. 326 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned, you know, you wanted to flesh 327 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: out the birth of hip hop a bit more. And 328 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, I'm someone who, you know, as bron said, 329 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: I consider myself a hip hop historian, you know, but 330 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, reading through through the first few chapters, like 331 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm learning to like, you know, there was something, you know, 332 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: there was a passage that she wrote about the blackout 333 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: in New York City nineteen seventy seven, Like I was 334 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: familiar with the blackout of nineteen seventy seven, summer nineteen 335 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: seventy seven. I think a lot of us are, but 336 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: I had no idea the role that it played in 337 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: like bolstering hip hop and kind of jumped starting hip 338 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: hop because you know, it was a young genre just 339 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: started in you know, like five years ago seventy two, 340 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: at fifteen twenty, Sedgwick had Sedgwick, you know, with the 341 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: kol Hirk Party. But it's like, you know, I never 342 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: put two and two together because everyone said after the blackout, 343 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, these stick up kids went looting and everybody 344 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: had DJ equipment after that, you know what I mean, 345 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: because you know, you know these hip hop pioneers, they 346 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: weren't thirty five year olds with with four to one case. 347 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: They were broke teenagers from the hood, you know what 348 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So so I'm just curious, like, you know, 349 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: during your research here, was was there anything you know, 350 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: you discovered that that kind of blew your mind like 351 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: any other you know, like serendipitous type shit where you're like, wow, 352 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: if this little thing doesn't happen, this major thing doesn't happen. 353 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's interesting you look at how things build 354 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 4: off of one another. And I'll just go with in 355 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 4: nineteen eighty two, the message comes out and hip hop 356 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 4: up until that point had been really just party music, 357 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: right like rappers delight, but the message comes out and 358 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 4: it's something more meaningful. It's social construct it's broken glass everywhere. 359 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 4: And Schoolly D is in Philadelphia, he's an up and 360 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 4: coming artist. He hears that song Okay yep. Ps K 361 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 4: launches off of that, so PSK launches off of that 362 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 4: Parkside Killers, which is really the start of reality rap, 363 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 4: hustle rap. You know, the media called the gangster rap, 364 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 4: but they called it something different when they were starting it. 365 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 4: Iced Ta. Here's what Schoolly DA is doing. He comes 366 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 4: out with six in the Morning, Ice Cuban n w 367 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 4: A and everybody is listening to an iced tea and 368 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 4: schooly Deer doing. Then they come out with Boys in 369 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 4: the Hood and then that think it all propels off 370 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 4: of one another. There's so much a hip hop where 371 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 4: if one thing doesn't happen, the next thing doesn't. 372 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 5: Happen, right right. 373 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: I Stee told a great story about how when he 374 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: started rapping, he said, you know I was doing hip hop. 375 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: You don't stop, you know, party type music. And he 376 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: said his homeboy came up to me and said, yo, 377 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: ice man, you rapping about parties? 378 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 5: He said, we don't go to parties. We robbed the parties. 379 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, and against the rapper, right, So yeah, 380 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: it's just it's it's just little shit like that. 381 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 5: But like you said, it's for sure like a domino 382 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 5: effected things. 383 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry. 384 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 4: No, go ahead. I was just gonna agree with that, 385 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 4: and then just to illuminate on the Blackout a little 386 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 4: bit more because I think that's such a pivotal story. 387 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: You got to think about what was going on in 388 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 4: New York at that time when it's the summer, Sam, 389 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 4: the Bronx is desolate as decayed. The Bronx is burning 390 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 4: back then, and the kids really have nothing to do, 391 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 4: and being a DJ, it's really really expensive to buy 392 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 4: all that equipment, and plus you need space, so it's 393 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 4: really an undemocratic playing field where only a few of 394 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 4: the privileged kids can actually do it. So that Blackout 395 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 4: really really evened out what was a really unfair playing ground. 396 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 4: And then a lot of crews come up after that 397 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 4: because they're mixed and imagine, hey you got a turntable, 398 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 4: I have a mixer. You know, that's how a lot 399 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 4: of the early groups actually form. 400 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we talked a little bit before we started recording. Like, 401 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: I'm always fascinated with the process by which things go 402 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: from being popular culture, right, like Shakespeare, Dickens, like anything 403 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: you know that survived from art from however long ago 404 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: was just like at one time what people were doing 405 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 2: for fun, right, and then at some point there's this 406 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 2: transitionary process where it becomes kind of enshrined into capital 407 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 2: a art and it becomes academic. 408 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 5: And everything else. 409 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: And I think there are some rappers, you know, like 410 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: Jay Z obviously is very self consciously concerned with that 411 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: process right of how that's going to happen for hip hop. 412 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 2: But to me, I mentioned to you, like, I think 413 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: books like yours like this to me is sort of 414 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 2: where you start seeing scholarly works that are still entertaining are. 415 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 7: Part of that process too. 416 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: And I'm just kind of curious, like you mentioned, feeling 417 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: like these origins were important because of how big hip 418 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: hop has become. Did you have a sense of kind 419 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 2: of writing for history or writing for posterity, or kind 420 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: of being a part of that one hundred year conversation 421 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 2: about this music that really did become popular in our 422 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 2: lifetimes obviously. 423 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 4: I mean, I think the goal is that with any 424 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 4: work that you're doing, that hopefully it lasts. And I 425 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 4: felt the responsibility of putting something together important, and especially 426 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 4: talking to people whose stories weren't as well known, who 427 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 4: were really impactful. Edwin Fletcher, who went by the name 428 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 4: Duke Booty. He helped co write a lot of the message, 429 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 4: and he passed away last year, and I knew that 430 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 4: his story wasn't as well known as it should be. So, 431 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 4: you know, somebody like him, I'm really really happy to 432 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 4: get his name and his thoughts and reflections into this book. 433 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 4: The same thing with Rocky Ford, who helped Curtis Blow 434 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 4: do Christmas wrapping, and he passed away unfortunately, but I 435 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 4: was able to include him in this book. So getting 436 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 4: people like that who maybe aren't as well known, but 437 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 4: who had a really really great hand in helping hip 438 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 4: hop and birthing it from the from the start, basically, 439 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 4: it's something that I'm proud of. 440 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 3: Should you say his name was Duke Booty, that's what 441 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 3: he went by. Interesting, Yeah, But uh, like you you 442 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: you've talked about in the podcast before that you said 443 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 3: you couldn't listen to rap growing up like your mom 444 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 3: was like that rappidy rap stuff out of my house. 445 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. 446 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 3: Now you're writing a book about it, you know about 447 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 3: the history of it as a whole. You know, you 448 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 3: have kids, and rap is the most popular thing in 449 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 3: the world. 450 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 4: It's ubiquitous at this point, you. 451 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: Feel me, how are you managing that now? Like I mean, 452 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 3: you know, I'm wondering, how are you approaching it in 453 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 3: a similar way or do you just like yo, because 454 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 3: then you talked about like Tupac being really important, you 455 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 3: know what I mean, and you, you know, making sure 456 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,239 Speaker 3: to tap into that back in the time when it 457 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 3: wasn't you know, it wasn't even close to the biggest 458 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. It was you know, more 459 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 3: underground at that moment, at that moment, you know what 460 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 3: I'm saying. So I just wonder how you're managing that. 461 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I have an eight year old and a 462 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 4: five year old, both boys, and I walk around the 463 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 4: house playing Kendrick Lamar, playing whatever. Now I say that, 464 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 4: and I also come up the caveat that I have 465 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 4: a way when she hears curse since you'll give me 466 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 4: the Jonathan and I'll turn it down a little bit. 467 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 4: But you know, especially when I'm driving around in the 468 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 4: car with my boys, like I want this music to 469 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 4: I want them to know it, you know, I wanted 470 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 4: to show up and you know, it's all just just words, 471 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 4: you know. And if they have the knowledge to be 472 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 4: able to be educated and know what words they can 473 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 4: use in school and whatnot, but be able to still 474 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 4: hear the message, I'm fine with that. 475 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 5: Cool. 476 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: We're similarly aligned on our parenting philosophy there. But I 477 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: am curious because my kids are nine and six. They're 478 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: almost the exact same ages of years. What don't you 479 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: Is there anything you don't let them, you know, watch 480 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 2: or listen to or anything that as they're getting. 481 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 7: Older Because you got an eight year old, I have 482 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 7: a nine year old. 483 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: They're right on that brink of like it's difficult to 484 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: have any say so and what they want to do obviously, 485 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: Like is there anything you're planning on kind of keeping 486 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: from them or are we as a generation doing away 487 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: with the concept of you're not allowed to partake of whatever. 488 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't know if this parenting advice works for everybody. 489 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 4: And like I say, my wife balances me out, but 490 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 4: you know, I feel like kids these days are going 491 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 4: to be exposed to ship way earlier than we were 492 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 4: when we were grown up. As just impossible. My kids 493 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 4: have iPads if they use and play the game all 494 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 4: these times when you know, we become too lazy to 495 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 4: do stuff with them, respected bro, you know, And you know, 496 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 4: I feel like it's the world we live in, and 497 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 4: I just try to, you know, instill those values where 498 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 4: you know, they know right from wrong, you know, because 499 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 4: they're going to be challenged throughout life. 500 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. For sure. 501 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: Something something that hopped out to me is, you know, 502 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: the hip hop world it is expansive, but it's also 503 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: tight knit at the same time. Like I was reading 504 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: an excerpt where Big Gip from Goodie Mob. You know, 505 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,719 Speaker 1: he mentioned that Tupac played hit him up to him 506 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: and Left Eye hit Big Gip and Left Eye were 507 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: the first people to hear hit him up. Like, you know, 508 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: I knew Pakin Left Hour cool, like I knew he 509 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: introduced her to Andre Risen and all that, but I 510 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: had no idea, like you know, Big Gift in Pakwa Homies, 511 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, like, you know, during 512 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: your research, was there anything that that you know, kind 513 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: of hopped out to you and like that that kind 514 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: of surprised you, like any any friendships or like you know, 515 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: bonds or anything like that on those lines. 516 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 4: Get was like this universe little figure that everybody loved, right. 517 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 5: Give cool, super cool Gift. 518 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 4: Was cool with pim C. He was cool with Pac, 519 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 4: He was cool with Biggie. Let me think of what 520 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 4: comes to mind, shorty, shorty b He was a producer. 521 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 4: He was somebody who worked with with both Biggie and 522 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 4: Pack and there's only a couple couple producers who have 523 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 4: done that. Easy Mob was another one. So hearing both 524 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 4: of their perspectives, perspectives of working with those two guys 525 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 4: at the same time were really unique and informational for me, 526 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 4: especially for that Biggie Tupac chapter. That's one that that 527 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 4: comes to mind immediately. 528 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 5: For sure. For sure people sleep on Easy Mobe. 529 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: He had his hands on, ready to die on, you know, 530 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: Tupac me against the world, like Easy Mobe put in 531 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: work man. 532 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's super super talented and he did a Craig 533 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 4: math yeah yeah. 534 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 5: Yeah. 535 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: And you know, speaking of Pa, you know you didn't 536 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: mention that Poc was like your your favorite rapper, right yep? Yeah, 537 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: what's the It's like your favorite album, favorite track from. 538 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 4: Him, Man, I get it. Like with Pop. The thing 539 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 4: I love about him is that it's like, whatever mood 540 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 4: you want, there's a song for you, you know, Like 541 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 4: especially growing up like I didn't. I didn't get that 542 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 4: education that I wanted to about the world around me 543 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 4: that I felt I needed until I was able to 544 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 4: listen to Park the way I wanted to. So I 545 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 4: think about changes. I think about you know, dear Mama, 546 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 4: I think about you know, I think about hit him 547 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 4: up somebody. Yeah, and Brennan's got a baby. I mean, 548 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 4: I think that song just really really illuminated for me 549 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 4: the world back then and gave me an education on 550 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 4: stuff that I didn't even know that I needed. 551 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: For sure, for sure, Yeah yeah, Pock contained multitudes, man, 552 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: for sure. He accomplished so much in just twenty five years. 553 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: Like it's so crazy to look back on. 554 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 4: But go ahead, go ahead, Mike. I'm just wondering for you. 555 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 4: Do you remember where you were, being Southern California native 556 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 4: like me, where you were when Tupac died? 557 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 7: Yeah? 558 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: Actually, And it's kind of a crazy story. I tweeted 559 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 2: about this and then it ended up. Jeff Pearlman wrote 560 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 2: about it for I think for Rolling Stone, but I 561 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 2: was I was a student at Polly and uh or 562 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 2: about to be. But the I knew people on the 563 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 2: football team, they actually saw him. They got into like 564 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: an altercation with him on they were on their way 565 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 2: back from Vegas and he was going to Vegas. 566 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 4: I remember that Pearlman story. 567 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 7: Yes, so he. 568 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,239 Speaker 2: Got that off of I had just tweeted about this 569 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 2: because I knew some of the guys on the team 570 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: and I knew the coaches, and there had it sort 571 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: of popped off in Southern California a little you know, 572 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 2: mini twitter of like there's no way this happened without 573 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: someone having written about it. And that was my lesson 574 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: that instead of tweeting interesting stories that I've heard from 575 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 2: the homies, I need to just fucking pitch the story 576 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 2: to Rolling Stone. But Jeff did a great job with 577 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: the story, and so yeah, like but that was all 578 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 2: wrapped up in it because it was this like every 579 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: all of that happened so fast. But yeah, I mean 580 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: that felt like in Long Beach. You know, obviously he 581 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: was very connected with Snoop and a lot of people 582 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 2: who when we grew up, those people weren't media Titans. 583 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: They were your friend's older cousins, homeie, you know whatever. 584 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: And so I think, as I'm sure you had a 585 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: little bit as well, we all had this feeling that 586 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: we were kind of in the center of the world, 587 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: right like we're listening to Power one oh six or 588 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: we're sneak listening to Power one oh six or whatever, 589 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: and then three months later this stuff we listened to 590 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 2: everybody's listening, you. 591 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 7: Know what I mean. So I definitely had that feeling 592 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 7: of like it just kind of felt like me in 593 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 7: a movie a little bit. Was that Was that your 594 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 7: experience too? 595 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean for me, when Park died, it was 596 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 4: like one of those like Man lands on the Moon 597 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 4: moments that you'll never forget, like where you were when 598 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 4: that happened, and like I've only ever gotten that feeling. 599 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 4: The only other time in my life I've gotten that 600 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 4: feeling was when Kobe died, right like when like the 601 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 4: laws of physics aren't supposed to apply to this person. 602 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 4: They're they're way too young, Like this isn't real. And 603 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 4: I remember, like for years after, like the music that 604 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 4: Pak had kept being delivered, delivered, delivered, and you would 605 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 4: just think that he would be in Jamaica chilling, Like 606 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 4: I really wanted to believe those rumors. 607 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: I was fully I was fully a pak Is in 608 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 2: uh Is in Costa Rica or Jamaica conspiracy theorists for sure. 609 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: And part of it was just being thirteen fourteen, like well, 610 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: how would this album be coming out otherwise, you know, 611 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: and just not having. 612 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 7: A real understanding of the world. 613 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: He's Jesus on the cover. If you switch the words 614 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: around him, mautabelly, it says I'm alive. Don't disregard the 615 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: k but it says I'm alive. Yeah, nose conspiracy there 616 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: was about him chilling you with all that where yeah, yeah. 617 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 7: But I mean I was. 618 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: I was down the rabbit hole of like if someone 619 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 2: that famous got killed, they would have caught who did it, 620 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like there's no way there 621 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: wouldn't be someone in jail right now, Like look at 622 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: every other. 623 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 7: President that got assassinated, They caught the guy who did it. 624 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 7: Like I was fully down the rabbit hole on all 625 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,959 Speaker 7: that shit for sure. 626 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 5: Yeah. 627 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: So Jonathan, you know, you said Po's your favorite rapper, 628 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: but you also mentioned that doctor Dre the chronic g thing, 629 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: like that was what Drew you into hip hop for 630 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: me personally, Like you can see the tribe you know, 631 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: poster in my background. Like I remember Benita Apple Bomb 632 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: being the first song that I fell in love with 633 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: as a rap fan. So so what was it about, 634 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, dres sound, the chronic sound, the g funk sound, 635 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: that kind of you know, just just captivated you and 636 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: made you a rap fan. 637 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 4: That's a Southern California sound right there, with the synthesizers 638 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 4: and then key funk and rolling down the windows and 639 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 4: driving through southern California. That was one of the first 640 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 4: times that an album really really got radio play too. 641 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 4: Uh just a hardcore rap album, but straight radio play 642 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 4: all across the country. And it was just music that 643 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 4: you could vibe to. It was the one, two, three, 644 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 4: into the four. It was a great time for music 645 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 4: and especially hip hop music. 646 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Chronic the Chronicle was a monster bro like 647 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: G Thang was was one of those songs where you 648 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: can say, like it shifted the entire soundscape of rap, 649 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. When when that ship dropped, 650 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, the Crown kind of went from New York 651 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: to La, you know, La kind of became the dominant sound. 652 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: The Chronic is is just a masterpiece. I think it's 653 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: like if you asked me the name, I like Mount 654 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: Rushmore Top five, it's up there for me. 655 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 656 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. And you go by what it influenced. I mean, 657 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 4: the chronic helped influence you GK, it helped influence outcast, 658 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 4: It helped influence a bunch of stuff that came afterwards. 659 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 5: For sure. For sure. 660 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know you've you've interviewed you know, like 661 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: we mentioned like three hundred plus people here, So like 662 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: who was like, you know, like a surprisingly cool or 663 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: fun interview? Like I know you probably came across some 664 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: dick haads, but you know, the odds just say that 665 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: that had to be in a mix. But like who 666 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: was like a you know, someone you got off the phone. 667 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: It was like, wow, that that person was surprisingly cool 668 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: as fuck or whatever. 669 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 4: I don't know if there was anybody who I was 670 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 4: surprised by it, but like the people who took time 671 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 4: to really think about the questions and really get give 672 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 4: illuminative answers for somebody just grown up. When I grew 673 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 4: up in the air, I grew up somebody like ice 674 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 4: Cube just for his impact in the hip hop killer 675 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 4: mich was dope. Just Blaze was real cool. There's a 676 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 4: lot of people like that who really really stick up. 677 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the dickheads were You were smiling when he 678 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: said someone. 679 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 7: I know, I know you're not gonna tell us, but 680 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 7: I'm just saying there. 681 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 4: There's a couple of people who immediately came to mind. 682 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you just as a writer. I 683 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: just wanted to ask you about the work that went 684 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 2: into this. You mentioned that your first draft of it 685 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 2: was was considerably bigger, and I just like, just as 686 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: much as you know off the top of your Hey, 687 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 2: can you share with us some of the logistics three 688 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: hundred plus interviews, like how long did you work on this? 689 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 2: How much effort was it to get it down into 690 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: like one book length? 691 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 7: You know what I mean? 692 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: Like it might you must feel like unbelievable that this 693 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: is about to actually come out this week, you know 694 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 2: what I mean? 695 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 7: And be done right? 696 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think I started this in twenty seventeen, 697 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 4: and just to start it, I think, first off, I 698 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 4: read about thirty hip hop centric books just to make 699 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 4: sure that I had a good base of knowledge before 700 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 4: I even started out on the same And there have 701 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 4: been like I don't want to get it twisted. There 702 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 4: have been some really really good history of hip hop 703 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 4: books done. Jeff Ching did a great one, and Dan 704 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 4: Charnis did a really really good one. But I knew 705 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 4: that an oral history format would be different in these icons, 706 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 4: names and earth icons, voices being delivered and almost having 707 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 4: it like a like they're in a room bouncing ideas 708 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 4: and thought and reflections off of one another. So that 709 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 4: that was a big thing. And then it was knowing 710 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 4: like I would have to hit these big tent foles 711 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 4: and milestones and hip hop in this book, and also 712 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 4: knowing that I needed to be flexible with the voices 713 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 4: that I did get to include to be able to 714 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 4: tell their story. Like there's no one story that's gonna 715 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 4: or one book that's going to be able to capture 716 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 4: this street, every important person, moment, history date in hip 717 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 4: hop history, Like that's impossible. But I wanted to be 718 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 4: true to moments and sparks that really influenced and propelled 719 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 4: other moments in hip hop history while also telling individual 720 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 4: stories inside of this book. 721 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: For sure, for sure, well you nailed that shit, man. 722 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: Like I said, this book is an accomplishment. You should 723 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: be extremely proud of yourself because, like you mentioned, I 724 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: probably would have sided you, like how the hell are 725 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: you going to make this happen? But you for sure 726 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: pulled it off. Man, Appreciate you hopping on with us. 727 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: As we mentioned the the come up in Oral History 728 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: of the Rise of Hip Hop in stores October eighteenth, 729 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: make sure you get your copies a hell of a read. 730 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 5: Appreciate chopping old. That's Jonathan. 731 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 4: Oh Man, I appreciate it. Thanks guys, for sure. 732 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: All right, thanks to Jonathan for hopping on with us. 733 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 2: Like I said up top, if you have a chance 734 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: to go pick that book up tomorrow, definitely make sure. 735 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 7: You go and get it. 736 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 2: Looks like looks like an instant fucking classic. To be 737 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 2: completely honest with you, Tyler, how far have you been 738 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 2: reading into it still? 739 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 5: Yeah? 740 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I skipped around a bit, but now I'm reading 741 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: like chronologically and shit, so I'm on, shit, I'm like 742 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: one hundred pages deep right now. It's so good man, 743 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: Like you know, I told her, I feel like, bro, 744 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: like this, this feels like an instant classic, Like this 745 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: might be like some hip hop bible. Shit, you know 746 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So so shouts to Jonathan Abrams. Man, 747 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: hell of a piece of work for sure. 748 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 2: All right, we've got an instant classic of our own. 749 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 2: Right before we started recording, John's daughter Sony. 750 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 7: Took her took her first step. She was like waiting 751 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 7: till we recorded to start walking. 752 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 3: She's been playing around with it, taking like one two 753 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 3: steps here and there, you feel what I'm saying, And 754 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 3: then like Rother's tell me John, she just took six steps. 755 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 3: So obviously like, yo, I'm gonna let me go over there. 756 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 4: Brought the camera. 757 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 3: She walks to me, she walks to the couch dog 758 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 3: man like, I just I man, I know it's gonna 759 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 3: be like it's weird, understanding how much harder being a 760 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 3: parent is gonna be now, but also still wanting it 761 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 3: to happen, like it's a it's a weird experience. 762 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 5: But yeah, man, like. 763 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 3: I've been that happy or proud possibly ever, maybe when 764 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 3: she was born. 765 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 7: But so these little things she. 766 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 3: Took steps, Oh my god, I'm like fucking elated, you 767 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like a humans being a human. 768 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 4: It's just it's funny. 769 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 7: But yes, yeah, but I think that's the crazy thing. 770 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 2: And having a baby reminds you of that that like 771 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 2: other than breathing and blinking, we had to learn every 772 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 2: single thing that we brow every single thing, like you 773 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,439 Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like like you, every single thing 774 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 2: that I did today would be you'd be losing your 775 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 2: mind if so many did it. 776 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 7: If she like put a sock on, bro, Bro, That's 777 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 7: what's so funny to me. 778 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 5: Like a kid will do like to like feed herself, and. 779 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, good job. 780 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 7: I'm like, you know, like. 781 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 3: It's fucking confetti comes out the ceiling and ship, you 782 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 3: know what i mean, Like the smallest things were celebrated, 783 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So, but yeah, that's like 784 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 3: that's a that's the perfect like other than breathing, you 785 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying and fucking you know what i mean, 786 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 3: Like everything is learned, and it's interesting seeing a human 787 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 3: from this perspective, you know what I mean, Just constantly 788 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 3: learning every day. But yeah, man, shorty, shorty, we gotta 789 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 3: walker now, bro, we gotta we gotta walker. 790 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 4: Man. 791 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 3: And I don't know how to feel about it. I'm excited, 792 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 3: but I'm also you know, there's some nerves there. But yeah, 793 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 3: she was cause she's already in everything. Now she's now 794 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 3: she's just you know it's gonna turn that on my team. 795 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 7: She's expanding her catch radius. 796 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 5: But all right. 797 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 7: Normally we end the like. 798 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 2: Usually, when I'm putting the topics list together for Jenkins 799 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 2: and Jones, I will scroll back through the group chat, 800 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 2: because if we were having fun talking about it in 801 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 2: the group chat, then we'll have fun talking about in 802 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 2: the podcast. Or I'll scroll one of your guys's timelines 803 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 2: or whatever, and uh, no, one's really we haven't really, 804 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 2: none of. 805 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 7: Us been tweeting anything. And the group chat. 806 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,879 Speaker 2: We can't talk about what was in the group chat, 807 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 2: but we can talk about how we talk about what. 808 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 7: We don't have. 809 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 2: One discussable text in the group chat in like two weeks. 810 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 5: That's how you know, the group chat popping though, that's 811 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,959 Speaker 5: what it's really getting. Good, Well, you can't talk about it, 812 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 5: We'll go to the group chat. Stays in the group 813 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 5: chat the last few weeks. 814 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 8: Baby, you hear me. Shit, we'd be canceled if he 815 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 8: got out his playing. It's not that bad, but yeah. 816 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 6: The woke mob with Jenkins and Giants, I would give 817 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 6: it to an anti cancel culture person very quickly. 818 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 3: Ship man, Wait, we used to quit while we're ahead. 819 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 7: Maybe we should somebody hack our ship. 820 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 3: You feel me, we're gonna be out of here, dog. 821 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 2: Tyler, not because Tyler does you think my hack the 822 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 2: eye message, that's a problem. 823 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 7: That's only probably all right? Okay there save y'all. 824 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 8: Man, you say, thank you, your brick did the work 825 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 8: that we needed to do. 826 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 5: You feel. 827 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 7: All right, y'all. Thanks to Jonathan Abrams for hopping on 828 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 7: with us. 829 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 2: Thanks to Jackson and all of the other producers on 830 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 2: Jenkinson Jones, and we will see y'all in the middle 831 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 2: of the week for I think we're doing our NBA 832 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 2: preview for the Thursday episode since the season starting this week, 833 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 2: so make sure and check out Thursday. 834 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 7: We will talk. 835 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 3: About on Twitter. Just block his name. Dog, Let's not 836 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 3: talk about him, man, no more. 837 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 5: Let's move on. Yeah feel me, he gone, it's over. 838 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, Thursday NBA Preview. 839 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 2: We will talk about every team in the league, even 840 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 2: if we're only talking about your team, to say that 841 00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 2: we don't want to talk about your team. 842 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 7: So check it out. We have I love, I love 843 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 7: the NBA preview Every year. We have a fun time 844 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 7: with that. So we'll see it on Thursday. 845 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 2: Bye bye bye. 846 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 7: M m mm hmmmm.