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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds.

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Speaker 2: And no Republican.

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Speaker 1: Will appear on the ballot in twenty twenty six is

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Speaker 1: new Mexico Senate election.

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Speaker 2: We have such a great show for you today.

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Speaker 1: Emmas Now's Eugene Daniels stops by to talk about the

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Speaker 1: impending government shutdown, and then we'll talk to Bloomberg's Jason

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Speaker 1: Leopald about the continued revelations of the Epstein files, and

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Speaker 1: he is absolutely worth talking to.

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Speaker 2: Very interesting. But first the news.

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Speaker 3: My the Wall Street Journal continues to really just kill it.

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Speaker 3: I hate to say it.

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Speaker 2: Rupert does good media.

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Speaker 3: I know, and I torture you by only reading on

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Speaker 3: Apple News because I can't give them actual money. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: So a pilot has fired because Christy nob left the

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Speaker 3: blanket behind then rehired. There's many details about her quote

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Speaker 3: unquote boyfriend and her Corey Lewin, despite the fact that

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Speaker 3: they are both married. And most of all, my favorite

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Speaker 3: part of the story, they're keeping track of Tom Holman's

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Speaker 3: media appearances because they go so well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the big revelation in this Wall Street Journal piece.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it's worth noting the reason that

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal has this incredible reporting is because

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Speaker 1: so all of these very very good reporters like Josh Dawsey,

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. And so this is how we got here.

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Speaker 1: This is a story that has been in the offing

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Speaker 1: for a long time. There was a sort of known

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Speaker 1: thing around DC that Christy Nome and Corey Lemandowski were

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Speaker 1: having a whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: And basically activity.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to say it, but there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of reporting. Basically everyone knew this, but

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Speaker 1: report this. So what they did, which is actually pretty smart,

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Speaker 1: is they didn't quite say it, because the truth is,

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Speaker 1: you know, you don't know what's happening in someone else's bedroom,

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Speaker 1: but you know, they talked about how there are pictures

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Speaker 2: And then finally she moved into a waterfront house, a waterfront.

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Speaker 1: House on an Army Base, and I mean they basically

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Speaker 1: do everything but say, you know, but they're both married

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Speaker 1: to other people, and it's just a very smartly done piece.

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Speaker 1: In it, they talk about that, but they also just

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Speaker 1: talk about how there's just so much dysfunction in DHS

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Speaker 1: and how Christy Nome is keeping her job by sucking

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Speaker 2: And they also there's also just interesting stuff in.

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Speaker 1: There that like, for example, Corey Albedowski messaged Tony Fabrizio,

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Speaker 2: That they should cut an ad for Christy.

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Speaker 1: No. I think what's so interesting about this is, like

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Speaker 2: Now is she ambitious because Corey is ambitious? Who knows.

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Speaker 1: But it's a really interesting piece. And also in it

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Speaker 1: they say that Corey had wanted to be Christie's chief

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Speaker 1: of staff and Trump had said no. And I think

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Speaker 1: that piece of information is important and I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: why because one of the things that Trump has done

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Speaker 1: this is fetacompley. And what you see here is that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Jared Kushner is the person that we've been

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Speaker 3: hearing about that is named in this spy case that

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Speaker 3: Tulsi Gabbard mishandled.

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Speaker 1: Remember, you have an administration that has worked so hard

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Speaker 1: an intercepted conversation between two foreign nationals that referenced President

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Speaker 1: Trump's son in law, Jared Kushner in part Iran, according

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Speaker 1: to Wall Street Journal, New York Times. So again, we

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Speaker 1: can't know what the intercept is, but it was collected

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Speaker 1: So that means that like probably the UK, or who

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Speaker 1: doing something real bad and probably you know, offering something

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Speaker 1: Senior Administration officials told The Wall Street Journal that the

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Speaker 1: allegations discussed in the intercept were unverified and in some

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Speaker 1: case demonstrably falls, while others familiar with the material, the

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Speaker 1: administration is saying it's bullshit. But Kushner is also remembered

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Speaker 1: taking money all different Middle Eastern countries and negotiating peace

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Speaker 1: And thank god we have straight Arrow and cult member

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Speaker 2: We're all going to die. I can't believe we're.

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Speaker 1: Not going to talk at all about RFK saying that

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Speaker 3: Lliot, We're not talking about that because that makes him likable.

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Speaker 1: All right, Marius Mournus.

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Speaker 3: So a Trump judge is saying that DHS has to

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Speaker 3: actually uphold this thing that makes America America.

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Speaker 2: Hebeus corpus, Ladies and gentlemen. We have come to the

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Speaker 1: This is not Okay, I'm going to just bring you

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Speaker 1: all back to a few months ago. Basically, what the

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Speaker 1: Trump appointed federal judge said immigration enforcement agencies violated non

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Speaker 1: what's happening. They are taking these people, they are not

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Speaker 1: giving them lawyers, they are not giving them any legal representation,

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Speaker 1: They are trying to get them right on a plane

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Speaker 2: Didn't come from.

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Speaker 1: And this administration is just losing in court again and

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Speaker 1: again and again. Politico's review that was published right before

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Speaker 1: this ruling found that three hundred and seventy three judges

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Speaker 1: have ruled against Trump's mass deportation policy since July. There's

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Speaker 1: a reason for that. It's against the law, with judges

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Speaker 3: By as we were where Pete Haig sith tried to

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Speaker 3: retaliate against Mark Kelly, and a judge has said exactly

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Speaker 3: that Ed said, not dog, you are not stripping Mark

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Speaker 1: Yep, this was never going to work for Pete Haig

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Speaker 1: said the whole idea that you don't have freedom of speech.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a First Amendment for a reason. So

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Speaker 2: I think you'll see more of this.

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Speaker 1: I think remember there's also like Jason Crow, there's Senators Lackin.

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Speaker 1: They've really bit off more than they can trew its

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Speaker 1: malicious prosecution, and I think we'll see more of this.

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Speaker 3: Soboy, one of the things we discuss off air is

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Speaker 3: some podcasters we refer to as dumb guys. Sometimes they're

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Speaker 3: podcasting for dumb guys. And I'd like to think of

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Speaker 3: it as a cultural barometer that you and I discuss

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Speaker 3: of when you're losing the people. And I have bad

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Speaker 3: news for mister Trump, mister Joe Rogan. He's leaving the

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Speaker 3: reservation and he thinks that the Epstein files are a

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Speaker 3: cover up. It's amazing it took him this long to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they are cover up. None of this

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Speaker 2: is good.

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Speaker 1: Here's the Joe Rogan quote, just so you don't have

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Speaker 1: to listen to it yourself. None of this is good

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Speaker 1: for the administration. It looks fucking terrible, the podcaster an

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Speaker 1: MMA commentator said during Thursday's episode of The Joe Rogan Experience,

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Speaker 1: it looks terrible for Trump when he was saying that

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Speaker 1: none of it was real, it was all a hoax.

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Speaker 1: This is not a hoax, and it's not it's the

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Speaker 1: largest sex trafficking conspiracy. There are at least six wealthy

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Speaker 1: powerful men. We still don't know what.

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Speaker 3: Twenty sixty presidential candidate apparently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're still waiting to find out who that is.

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Speaker 1: Eugene Daniels is the chief Washington correspondent for EMMAS.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Eugene Daniels.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. Soxcited to be here.

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Speaker 3: Bress.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to see you. Government shut down again.

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Speaker 5: We can again.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's my question for you.

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Speaker 1: I was agitated about this because I thought they should

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Speaker 1: have done it two weeks ago when the world was

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Speaker 1: on fire. Because this is a shutdown about DHS funding

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Speaker 1: and the money that was given. That is continued to

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Speaker 1: continuing to flow to DHS in order to kill Americans

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Speaker 1: basically and deprive people of their due process. Do you

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Speaker 1: think it was smart to get this extension two weeks?

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Speaker 2: And what do you think?

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Speaker 5: I think a two week extension wasn't long enough. Everybody

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Speaker 5: them and has to do the actual you know, most

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Speaker 5: of the meetings is they were like, two weeks isn't enough.

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Speaker 5: And so's it's very confusing why they chose two weeks.

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Speaker 5: Because one, first of all, that's really important for people

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Speaker 5: to remember. ICE already has plenty money. The money that

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Speaker 5: they got from the BBB Big Beautiful Bill is going

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Speaker 5: to be pumping. And I think people the estimates say

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Speaker 5: six years is how they will be how long they'll

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Speaker 5: be funded instead, And so that's something for people to know.

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Speaker 5: So this is not about ICE. This is about basically

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Speaker 5: everything else under DHS. It's about you know TSA for example,

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Speaker 5: it's good stuff you actually need them to do so

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Speaker 5: if we all need them to do so. Really one,

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Speaker 5: known secret that they should have done more than two weeks.

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Speaker 5: They can't do any event. I think Democrats were still

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Speaker 1: because I'm curious what because you told you brought up

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Speaker 1: an idea that I think about a lot, which is

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Speaker 1: what is available to women, what is available to people

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Speaker 1: of color, right, because there's a reason that Trump does

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Speaker 1: what he does, and it's because it's available to him

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Speaker 1: as a white guy who comes from a lot of

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Speaker 1: power and wealth. I'm curious your take on those hearings,

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Speaker 1: and I'm also curious what you heard from people about that.

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Speaker 5: My take on the hearings, and this is really anyone

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Speaker 5: who works with Donald Trump and gets in front of folks, right,

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Speaker 5: Beston does this a lot as well.

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Speaker 2: Is I saw him do it on Morning Jem Right.

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Speaker 2: I was like, why are you screaming at Willie?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, screams with the geist. But but it is and

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Speaker 5: this is not new, but audience of one right, because

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Speaker 5: they know that Donald Trump watches a lot of whatever

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Speaker 5: is happening on the television every single day, a little

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Speaker 5: bit more than a lot more than most presidents. But

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Speaker 5: he's sitting there watching and he will break them over

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Speaker 5: the clothes if he doesn't like what he sees. You know,

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Speaker 5: they know jobs on the line. If he doesn't like

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Speaker 5: what he sees. He wants the folks that are in

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Speaker 5: front of the cameras for him to look like the

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Speaker 5: central casting. That's something work a lot from the first

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Speaker 5: and the second administration and also that are administering kind

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Speaker 5: of the way that he operates and handling the way

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Speaker 5: that he operates, which is like God balls to the

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Speaker 5: wall the press.

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Speaker 2: It's the Cavanaugh thing, exactly same thing.

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Speaker 5: And the problem is it doesn't work for everyone because

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Speaker 5: that's not everyone's personality. So like, that's not clearly, that's

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Speaker 5: not really who Pam Bondy is. That's why she has

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Speaker 5: to have like, you know, document after document made by

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Speaker 5: her team about like pieces for the you know this,

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Speaker 5: this is how you attack this number of Congress, Like

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Speaker 5: it's not who she is, and so it comes off

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Speaker 5: awkward and fake and still it like when they're talking

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Speaker 5: about really serious issues like the Epstein files, she said,

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Speaker 5: why are we not talking about the dow Who's that?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump?

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Speaker 5: Right, Like, right, you shouldn't be talking about the dow Man.

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Speaker 5: You don't have the Treasury secretary. That has nothing to

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Speaker 5: do with your job. Actually, yeah, you're the chief enforcement

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Speaker 5: officer of the country and that is not your job

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Speaker 5: for now, correct. And I think that is also the

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Speaker 5: for now is very interesting Mally, because what I have

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Speaker 5: found is that folks in Trump's orbit start acting really

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Speaker 5: tough when they feel like their jobs are on the line,

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Speaker 5: and Donald Trump is very upset with Pam Bondi from

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Speaker 5: everyone I've talked to and all the reporting that's out there,

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Speaker 5: for not going far enough when it comes to, you know,

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Speaker 5: going after his perceived enemies, right, right, So that even

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Speaker 5: though all of us are watching more like chill, but

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Speaker 5: he's no one's been arrested, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 5: you embarrassing me in front of the television and in

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Speaker 5: front of these grand juries we keep loss in. You know,

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Speaker 5: we're not getting indictments on these folks, which you know, indictments,

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Speaker 5: grandary indictments are very easy to get the bars they

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Speaker 5: used to it used to be, and so his anger

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Speaker 5: about all of that is in the back of their head.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's the same reason you see Christy Nolan,

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Speaker 5: the DHS secretary, kind of doing the same thing, but

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Speaker 5: she's in front of cameras, right, and every once in

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Speaker 5: a while it backfires. Donald Trump, you know, tweeted that

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Speaker 5: he liked, you know, Pamp Bonnie's performance, but she did great,

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Speaker 5: but he's still very frustrated with her. And so that

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Speaker 5: that always leads and leads into these things.

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Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, Trump has his whole thing in

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Speaker 1: this season of destroying our democracy is that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: ever fire anyone. Yeah, but that can only go on

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Speaker 1: so long.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I have a theory about this, which is essentially that

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Speaker 5: Republicans for so long, especially after the first Trump administration,

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Speaker 5: have like circled the wagons, right, and it's like anyone

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Speaker 5: in our in these wagons can't do any wrong. And

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Speaker 5: we actually have them so much, and they're trying trying

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Speaker 5: to present a united front. And I think like part

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Speaker 5: of the not firing is that even though he's like

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Speaker 5: pissed with some of these folks, is that they don't

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Speaker 5: want to give that narrative of chaos, right of he

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Speaker 5: doesn't know what he's doing, Like I love all of them,

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Speaker 5: and like that's clearly not true and that's just not

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Speaker 5: how he operates. And also, like, frankly, where where do

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Speaker 5: you go after that?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 5: The first administration, there are a lot of Republicans that

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Speaker 5: had great reputations in there in their fields who could

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Speaker 5: have and where wanted to work for that first Trump

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Speaker 5: administration didn'yonet to work. We want to want to work

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Speaker 5: for the federal government, many of them this time around,

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Speaker 5: Like there are a lot of Republicans, you know, normally Republicans,

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Speaker 5: I guess, like folks that you know loved Reagan and

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Speaker 5: George W. Bush believe in the separation of powers and

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Speaker 5: federalism who don't want to work in this administration, And

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Speaker 5: so it also gives they have less of a barrel

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Speaker 5: to get to right, you know, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 5: Like Pam Bondia wasn't even his first choice. It was

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Speaker 5: Matt Gates, right, And so it's like, where do you

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Speaker 5: go after after Pam Bondi And where do you go

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Speaker 5: after people watch the ways in which the members of

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Speaker 5: his cabinet have to behave right in order to get

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Speaker 5: a pat on the head and keep their jobs, and

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Speaker 5: so some of those folks, like Frankly don't want to

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Speaker 5: do it. So it's also a possibility that there's like

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Speaker 5: not someone out there that would be able to do

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Speaker 5: it better.

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, exactly, Yeah, I want you to talk about

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Speaker 1: the podcast you guys are doing.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, So me and Samala Sanders Townsend, the fabulous

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Speaker 5: host of the weeknight on MS now we have known

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Speaker 5: each other for a decade and yeah, yeah, and so

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Speaker 5: we've been but we've been on opposite sides most of

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Speaker 5: that time when she's working for you know, the government

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Speaker 5: or the campaign, and I'm the reporter, and so we've

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Speaker 5: gotten since then, we've gotten really close and we text

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Speaker 5: all the time and we talk about everything, politics, culture,

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Speaker 5: our personal lives. And it was after when she was

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Speaker 5: still doing The Weekend, which is what I do currently,

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Speaker 5: before the switches happened. We were hanging out after the

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Speaker 5: show with one of her producers, senior producer Britney Rough

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Speaker 5: and we're just like talking, just like right in the

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Speaker 5: just like Gavin Gavin Gavin in the green room, and

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Speaker 5: someone said this is a podcast, and we kind of

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Speaker 5: joked about it and this was forever ago, and then

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Speaker 5: we just kept talking about it because we believe and

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people are kind of getting

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Speaker 5: hip to this, but we have always be she and

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Speaker 5: I that culture and politics are like intrinsically linked at

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Speaker 5: this country, and that a lot of the time people

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Speaker 5: want culture to be like a side show. And it's actually,

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Speaker 5: especially for a publicans part of the playbook and how

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Speaker 5: they operate, right. And so I don't think this podcast

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Speaker 5: is called ins Presents Clockett. I don't think this podcast

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Speaker 5: can exist in the Biden administration. But Trump understands how

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Speaker 5: to how to arrest the culture and the importance of

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Speaker 5: arresting the culture to make yourself look interesting and cool

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Speaker 5: and to make it easier to operate politically and policy wise.

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Speaker 5: So like, there's a reason why he's putting his name

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Speaker 5: in front of the Kennedy Center's, there's a reason why

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Speaker 5: he's hosting the Coneys and honors, y'all. There's a reason

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Speaker 5: he's going to all these sporting events. A man is

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Speaker 5: not exports that much. Reason why he's having a UFC

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Speaker 5: fight on the White House lawn for the two hundred

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Speaker 5: and fifty in the anniversary of this country. And it's

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Speaker 5: not because he loves sports. It's because he understands that

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Speaker 5: being a part of the culture is the easiest way

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Speaker 5: to make is powerful and makes everything palatable. And when

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Speaker 5: you talk to folks who understands authoritarianism and understands democratic backsliding,

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Speaker 5: this is when the first thing a lot of those

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Speaker 5: people do. They start creating random awards for themselves, right

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Speaker 5: the people that care about them. They start naming things

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Speaker 5: after themselves. And that we see this in with Erdoman

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Speaker 5: and Turkey, we see this in Putin in Russia, with Putin.

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Speaker 5: You see it all over and it's not new. And

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump has always been a part of the culture.

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Speaker 5: Like you know, he was in Home Loan too. You know,

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Speaker 5: he was a part of rap songs. He had you know,

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Speaker 5: obviously have The Apprentice when he was pretending to be

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Speaker 5: so successful and he kind of wasn't. And so you

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Speaker 5: have this world in which Donald Trump now has this

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Speaker 5: power in a different way and it's utilizing it. So

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Speaker 5: our hope is to dig into all of those things,

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Speaker 5: be serious, meet the moment, but also have a little

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Speaker 5: bit of fun when we're having these conversations and invite

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Speaker 5: people kind of into our group chat.

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Speaker 2: That is great.

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Speaker 1: Eugene Daniels, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, Molly. Jason Leopold is an investigative reporter for

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg News. Welcome back to Fast Politics, Jason. So I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give a quick describer of who you are.

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Speaker 2: I want to explain.

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Speaker 1: Who I think of you as you are the person

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Speaker 1: who gets for a requests from the government and gets

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Speaker 1: information that the government has to give because of freedom information,

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Speaker 1: but does not want to correct. And this tends to

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Speaker 1: be a meal fucking slog and then when you get

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Speaker 1: the information, you have to synthesize a lot of information.

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Speaker 1: Now what you have done even before the release of

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Speaker 1: the Epstein files, So talk us through what you got

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Speaker 1: and where you are with it.

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Speaker 6: Sure, so last.

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Speaker 4: Year when we knew that, you know, the FBI was

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Speaker 4: reviewing the Epstein files, right because Bondi rolled out this first.

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Speaker 2: Phase list on her desk, remember that.

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Speaker 6: On her desk.

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Speaker 4: She got angry with the FBI because they didn't give

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Speaker 4: her everything, apparently, and she went after cash Patel.

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Speaker 6: She wanted answers.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean, who even knows exactly what was going on, but.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: So what ultimately happened is that you know, Patel and

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Speaker 4: Bondi rallied you know, nearly a thousand or excuse me,

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Speaker 4: over one thousand FBI agents and other personnel to start

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Speaker 4: going through these files. And I was just really interested

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Speaker 4: in the process, right because this is kind of unprecedented,

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Speaker 4: because they were gearing up for initially a public release

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Speaker 4: before the passage of the Epstein you know files transparency.

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Speaker 4: They were getting ready for a public release. So I

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Speaker 4: was interested in the interested in the process. How much

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Speaker 4: money did they spend, how many agents did they have

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Speaker 4: reviewing these files, you know what went on behind the scenes.

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Speaker 4: So I fought for these records, you know, I went

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Speaker 4: after records that would basically give us a window into

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Speaker 4: the process of reviewing and redacting, you know, the Epstein files.

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Speaker 4: You know, late last year, I got a bunch of

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Speaker 4: records that kind of laid that bear. They spent about

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Speaker 4: a million dollars for a week's worth of work. They

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Speaker 4: were going through this between February and May twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: July hits, you know, twenty twenty five, and as you know,

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Speaker 4: they issued this joint public statement the FBI and DOJ,

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Speaker 4: so we're not releasing anything here. We are now with

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Speaker 4: the release of the Epstein files, and there's a bunch

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Speaker 4: of stuff in there that kind of gives us, you know,

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Speaker 4: an even better look.

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Speaker 6: Behind the scenes as to what was going on.

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Speaker 1: And the first thing that these people were tasked with

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Speaker 1: was redacting whose.

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Speaker 6: Name, redacting Donald Trump's name.

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Speaker 1: So before the victims, before anything else, and we know

659
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Speaker 1: from the Wall Street Journal that forty three victims had

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Speaker 1: their names exposed. We saw people had their addresses. Danny

661
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Speaker 1: Benski had her address in there, but they worked to

662
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Speaker 1: redact Donald Trump's name.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they did work for redact Donald tr I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: but we'll let me make it clear. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if they did that, you know, before they were reacting

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Speaker 4: victims names. What we know now, or what I've found

667
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Speaker 4: now with the release of these three million pages, is

668
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Speaker 4: that this was a huge, huge.

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Speaker 6: Undertaking right and early on.

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Speaker 4: What you know, what I looked at in the files

671
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Speaker 4: is that when they were reviewing this, they had no

672
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Speaker 4: idea if they should redact victims names. There's emails going

673
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Speaker 4: back and forth where you have like an FBI document

674
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Speaker 4: reviewer saying, essentially begging for guidance, should we be redacting

675
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Speaker 4: you know, victims names? Should we be redacting child sexual

676
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Speaker 4: abuse material?

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Speaker 6: That is literally what an email says.

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Speaker 1: So explain to me how you get to a place

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Speaker 1: where the FBI doesn't know that they should be redacting

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00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: child sexual abuse material.

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Speaker 4: You know, honestly, it was quite stunning to me to

682
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Speaker 4: see that. But the only way that I can sort

683
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Speaker 4: of interpret that through you know, multiple different emails and files,

684
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Speaker 4: is that they were told you have to review and

685
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Speaker 4: release everything. Because this was not as if I was

686
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Speaker 4: filing a Foyer request where they would initially be governed

687
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Speaker 4: by these nine exemptions.

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Speaker 6: They were just told, like, get these files ready.

689
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Speaker 4: And then, you know, weeks into the process, they're like, oh,

690
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Speaker 4: you know, we're gonna you know, we got to withhold

691
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Speaker 4: victims names. And then there, you know, are names of

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Speaker 4: others public figures, you know that they were told withhold.

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Speaker 4: In fact, in one email, there's like a spreadsheet with

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Speaker 4: a list of names. I didn't see the spreadsheet actually

695
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Speaker 4: in there, but there's a bunch of public figures on

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Speaker 4: the spreadsheet, including you know, Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: It also had Les Wexner.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So today today, being Friday the thirteenth, you know, I

700
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Speaker 4: just published something in my newsletter where I found the

701
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Speaker 4: guidance that the FBI was given that was shared, that

702
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Speaker 4: ultimately explained and provided the justification for redacting certain material.

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Speaker 6: And you know, if you recall.

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Speaker 4: From earlier this week, you know, Rokana said that when

705
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Speaker 4: they went in to review these files at thej earlier

706
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Speaker 4: this week, he said, you know, I spoke to the attorneys.

707
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Speaker 4: They were very nice, but they told us that they

708
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Speaker 4: simply just uploaded what had already been redacted, you know,

709
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Speaker 4: by the FBI. The point of that is is that

710
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Speaker 4: after the passage of the law, the Epstein Files Transparency Act.

711
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Speaker 4: It dictated what they could withhold and what they should release,

712
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Speaker 4: but they never went back and reprocessed some of these records.

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Speaker 6: So it gets a little confusing.

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Speaker 4: But you know what we can take away from that

715
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Speaker 4: is that that's the reason why you have Wexner appearing

716
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Speaker 4: in some places and not others.

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Speaker 1: So when members of Congress are going in to see

718
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Speaker 1: the unredacted files, there are still many reactions.

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Speaker 6: There's still many redactions exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because they uploaded those files that were reviewed early

721
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Speaker 4: last year, and those are the copies that they're providing

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Speaker 4: them with, because those are the copies that was sent

723
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Speaker 4: from New York to DOJ. I mean, I will say

724
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Speaker 4: that when by the way, when Bondi said that, you know,

725
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Speaker 4: there's a truckload of documents that just arrived, I mean

726
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Speaker 4: she wasn't kidding. By the way, the FBI actually rented

727
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Speaker 4: a U haul and sent boxes of documents, but those

728
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Speaker 4: were already redacted.

729
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Speaker 1: So how do you get the unredacted documents now the

730
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Speaker 1: FBI has them.

731
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they should be I mean they have to have them, yeah,

732
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Speaker 4: I mean it has to be.

733
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Speaker 6: You know, there's copies of it.

734
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Speaker 4: So the originals, you know, because these were like uploaded,

735
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Speaker 4: are unredacted.

736
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Speaker 1: The question is is Cash Betel part of the cover up?

737
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Speaker 1: And the answers absolutely, because we saw him testify and

738
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Speaker 1: say that Jeffrey Epstein ever drafted girls to himself.

739
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Speaker 4: Right, and there is you know, I will say, there's

740
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Speaker 4: also an email I wrote about this last week in

741
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Speaker 4: there where Cash Patel. Again, these are internal emails from

742
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Speaker 4: last year. Right, So we're reviewing this as these FBI

743
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 4: you know, document reviewers, agents, et cetera, reviewing and redacting

744
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 4: these files. They're also getting questions, questions that are sent

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Speaker 4: to them from high above.

746
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Speaker 3: Right.

747
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Speaker 4: One of the questions came from Cash to Tel and

748
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Speaker 4: that question was who's on the videos? Is there anyone interesting,

749
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Speaker 4: anyone we could prosecute? The FBI personnel whose names are

750
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Speaker 4: redacted one sent a very very lengthy response and said,

751
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Speaker 4: we've reviewed all of these videos and the only people

752
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Speaker 4: on these videos abusing girls is Julaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.

753
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Speaker 4: But again, that was at a certain point in time

754
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Speaker 4: early last year, and it wasn't at the point of

755
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Speaker 4: post November when the bill was passed, right, So, right.

756
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Speaker 2: So we don't really know if there's more.

757
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Speaker 4: So we don't know if they reviewed everything. You know,

758
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Speaker 4: you don't get a sense of that. What you do

759
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 4: sort of get is just this like overview how it

760
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Speaker 4: all went down and the chaos behind the scenes. I mean,

761
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Speaker 4: this was not a smooth process. And also, like, let's

762
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Speaker 4: remember that they have more than two million pages if

763
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Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, give or take of documents and other

764
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Speaker 4: media that haven't been released. It's two hundred thousand pages

765
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Speaker 4: that they said we're going to be withheld because it's deliberative,

766
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Speaker 4: So we don't know what's in those records that I

767
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Speaker 4: imagined Congress would fight for.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the videos because there's hundreds

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Speaker 1: and hundreds of hours of videos and pictures. So can

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Speaker 1: you explain that to us? Where are those videos? To

771
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Speaker 1: those video get released? There were some videos that released,

772
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: but yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, there's a lot of video that's released.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I haven't watched everything because I can't even

775
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Speaker 4: calculate the hours. It's a lot a lot of disturbing,

776
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Speaker 4: you know videos. There's a video two hour video of

777
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Speaker 4: Epstein being interviewed by Steve Bannet. There are you know

778
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Speaker 4: what looks like home videos that you know have pictures

779
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Speaker 4: of girls that you know his faces are redacted. It's

780
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Speaker 4: hard to make sense of like what was the purpose

781
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Speaker 4: of these videos? But what I saw just from reviewing

782
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Speaker 4: the records is that he had a massive, massive, you know,

783
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Speaker 4: external hardship where he was just storing all of these

784
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Speaker 4: videos if it was a library. So it does seem

785
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Speaker 4: to be that this is like his his video library

786
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Speaker 4: of people that he you know, that he filmed, or

787
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Speaker 4: that whoever sent him videos or whoever filmed themselves. But

788
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Speaker 4: when you take it as a whole, there, you know,

789
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Speaker 4: it feels like it it amounts to something bigger. It's

790
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Speaker 4: just hard to tell like what that is.

791
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Speaker 1: Right, there's clearly a lot of covering up for the FBI,

792
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Speaker 1: Like all the agent's names are redacted all the Is

793
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Speaker 1: that normal and if not, why is it happening?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as far as redacting the names, like if you

795
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Speaker 4: or I were to file a Freedom of Information Act

796
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Speaker 4: request with the FBI, they would redact the names. There

797
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Speaker 4: is nothing in the law that was passed that says

798
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Speaker 4: that you know those names fact check me on this.

799
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Speaker 4: You know that that could be or that should be withheld.

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Speaker 4: But the thing is that there's names elsewhere, and there

801
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Speaker 4: are FBI names that are then redacted. So for example,

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Speaker 4: you know, Dan Bongino clearly is in some of these

803
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Speaker 4: records last year sending questions down, but his name is redacted,

804
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Speaker 4: but you could tell elsewhere that it's that it's.

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Speaker 6: Him, you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean generally, you know, government agencies, you know, hide

807
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Speaker 4: the names of employees and their rationale is is that

808
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Speaker 4: they would be subject to abuse, harassment threats.

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Speaker 6: So that's their justification for doing this. But once you.

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Speaker 4: Get like really high up at the political appointee level,

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Speaker 4: there's no real justification for redacting it. But again, you know,

812
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Speaker 4: and this is where it may get a little confusing.

813
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 4: This is where you've got two sets of records here,

814
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Speaker 4: Molly right. You have the records that they were reviewing

815
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Speaker 4: early last year before the passage of law, where they

816
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Speaker 4: were saying they meeting the FBI and DJ were saying,

817
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Speaker 4: we are going to make the decision on what to redact.

818
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Speaker 4: And we have records that were reviewed after the law

819
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Speaker 4: was passed where it said you cannot redact this.

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Speaker 6: You cannot you know, withhold this.

821
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Speaker 4: So you've got these two different sets that show that

822
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Speaker 4: like the ones that you're looking app that may seem confusing,

823
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Speaker 4: like Les Wexner, or the fact that Ptael's name and

824
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Speaker 4: Bongino's name were redacted, is because they were reviewing it

825
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Speaker 4: way early last year and it never was reprocessed.

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Speaker 1: There's just a lot missing in what we've seen. Part

827
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Speaker 1: of that is people haven't been able to go through it.

828
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Speaker 1: Part of it is like financial records, there's certain stuff

829
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Speaker 1: that they feel as against the law. Talk about what

830
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Speaker 1: you think, as someone who's seen a lot of documents

831
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Speaker 1: you think is missing, Well, I.

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Speaker 4: Think there's a ton missing. And what's missing is like

833
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Speaker 4: an entire case file. If you wanted to take, say

834
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Speaker 4: Epstein's entire case file to make a determination as to

835
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Speaker 4: perhaps why a money laundering investigation stopped, you wouldn't be

836
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Speaker 4: able to do that because there are pieces missing. For example,

837
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Speaker 4: you know Treasury Department type records that learly factored in here,

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Speaker 4: in which you know that would show how they were

839
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Speaker 4: following his money that's.

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Speaker 2: Missing, and why aren't those was released?

841
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Speaker 4: Well, that's a good question. I mean, there's there's no

842
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 4: real explanation. We know that it's there, that they used

843
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 4: it as evidence in two thousand and seven, in two

844
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Speaker 4: thousand and eight and again after he was indicted. Right,

845
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Speaker 4: These were records that made up part of the government's case.

846
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Speaker 2: Against him, but they're not being released.

847
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Speaker 6: For some reason. They're not there.

848
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Speaker 4: They're either withheld, they never got around to it, and

849
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Speaker 4: they just jumped this out. So there's there's critical pieces

850
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 4: missing from you know, from that investigation for you know,

851
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Speaker 4: an FBI agents perhaps report that would or you know,

852
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Speaker 4: interview summary which is known as CEO two that would

853
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Speaker 4: explain did they follow up on the tip.

854
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Speaker 2: We're not seeing any of those interview summaries.

855
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Speaker 6: Not really seeing that.

856
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 4: What you have here are puzzle pieces. You have to

857
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 4: put the puzzle pieces together. But when you start doing that,

858
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 4: you know you realize, whoa, there's a ton missing. You

859
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 4: can't you know, reach any real conclusions without that. So

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Speaker 4: let's use the co conspirators.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was actually about to ask you about that next.

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Speaker 4: All right, So you have a list of alleged co conspirators, right,

863
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Speaker 4: all redacted with the exception of Less Waxler. I think

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Speaker 4: that there may have been some you know that they

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Speaker 4: unredacted just based this week.

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Speaker 2: Right, Originally it was totally redacted.

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Speaker 4: Right, so you know, you have co conspirators, but what's

868
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Speaker 4: missing from there? Like, what is the evidence? What is

869
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Speaker 4: the crime? Was it sex trafficking? Child sex trafficking?

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Speaker 2: Was it money laundering?

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Speaker 6: Was it money laundering? Right?

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Speaker 4: So that's missing and we don't know ultimately what happened

873
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Speaker 4: as to like, well, why are they no longer co conspirators?

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Speaker 4: What was happening or what agreement did they make that

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Speaker 4: ultimately led them to be removed as co conspirators? So

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Speaker 4: what was the you know, the prosecutor's decision, you know,

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Speaker 4: not to pursue that. Part of this is just also

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Speaker 4: you know, you have the document and now you have

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Speaker 4: to sort of expand it into like reporting it out.

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Speaker 2: If this were a conspiracy, would it look like this?

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Speaker 6: Oh jeez, there's.

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Speaker 1: A lot of paper and a lot of noise, but

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Speaker 1: not a ton of signal. I mean, we know it's

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Speaker 1: sex trafficking, but we don't really know the extent of

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Speaker 1: the money laundering. I think of Mike Johnson saying that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump was a government informant for Ebstein.

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Speaker 2: You know, like we still don't really have a handle

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Speaker 2: on what the story is not yet.

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Speaker 4: I mean, well, I mean I think we would say

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Speaker 4: that like the themes that have emerged are the themes

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Speaker 4: that we already knew, right, but now we're seeing the

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Speaker 4: evidence of it. You know, the elite and powerful, you

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Speaker 4: know who ingratiated themselves you know with Epstein and showered

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Speaker 4: him with praise, and how they used him to get

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Speaker 4: what they want, how he used them. So those are

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Speaker 4: the you know, more or less general themes, but now

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Speaker 4: we're seeing actually how that looked. But really what needs

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Speaker 4: to happen is that you need to kind of build

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Speaker 4: a mosaic, you know, and start connecting all of these

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Speaker 4: records together to kind of get a picture of you know,

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Speaker 4: what it all means in terms of like, all right, Berman,

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Berman. You know, the you know, US attorney in

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Speaker 4: New York when he was prosecuting him had evidence.

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Speaker 6: What is the evidence?

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Speaker 2: And where is the evidence?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: What was he preparing to present to a jury or

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Speaker 4: what are that grand jury material?

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Speaker 6: There's a lot that we just don't have.

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Speaker 4: And I have to tell you, you know, reading it, you know,

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Speaker 4: that's for me where I'm like, oh got it, you know,

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Speaker 4: damn I want this, you know, because you know there's

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Speaker 4: something else there and then it's just God. But also

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Speaker 4: you know, it may be there one day and then

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Speaker 4: DJ decides to take it down the next.

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Speaker 6: But you know, it's it's only been two weeks. It

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Speaker 6: seems like a really long time.

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Speaker 4: And when you have three million pages, you know it's

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Speaker 4: going to be a while, you know, And I think more.

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Speaker 1: Will urge and the Lutnix stuff, like the LLC stuff,

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Speaker 1: where they clearly did a business together.

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Speaker 4: Right, there's probably more correspondence you know that exists. And

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Speaker 4: that's a good point though, right, these emails that they

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Speaker 4: have from Epstein, do they literally take his entire inbox

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Speaker 4: or you know, is there is there stuff missing? Because

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Speaker 4: the rec you know, the emails that that I obtained

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Speaker 4: last year, there's only a slipper of those, you know,

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Speaker 4: in this release. So, I mean the process is really interesting,

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Speaker 4: and I appreciate you like staying on that. It's just

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Speaker 4: clear that there there's a lot more that's missing, and

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Speaker 4: that's like sort of the question like why don't we

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Speaker 4: have this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jason, Jason, thank you, thank you, thank you, Molly, no.

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Speaker 2: Moment Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 3: By jug Fast so pat body, very very bad showing.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things about that bad showing is

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Speaker 3: we could be like oh wow. She didn't for the

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Speaker 3: political theater, but she did not show the temperament you

939
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Speaker 3: want of somebody handling a domestic terrorist. One of the

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Speaker 3: things she admitted there is they have a domestic terrorist

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Speaker 3: of leftists.

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Speaker 2: You just think you're on it, right, Let's be honest.

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Speaker 3: I don't do enough to do it. They don't care

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Speaker 3: about a forty eight year old man. They care about

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Speaker 3: a twenty four year old person with multiple color hair.

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Speaker 3: So luckily you're safe by one qualification.

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Speaker 1: Pair Bondi said in the questioning, I know Antifa is

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Speaker 1: part of it. Antifa you'll know Antifa as something that

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Speaker 1: doesn't exist. So Scanlon's told the Intercept the goal was

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Speaker 1: to get her even by denying that she would produce it,

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Speaker 1: to acknowledge that it existed and raise the alarm. Good

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Speaker 1: for her, I mean, we saw some really interesting questioning

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Speaker 1: during Pam Bondi's performance. That's a good sort of smart

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Speaker 1: way around it. But my favorite moment was Pam Bondi saying,

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Speaker 1: you won't apologize to president for Russia, Russia, Russia.

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Speaker 3: I mean personally, mind was that Culver City is crime ridded.

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Speaker 3: When I got my thirty dollars smoothie there just fine

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Speaker 3: the other week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah wow, you have to go there in order to

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Speaker 2: know it's not crime. Right.

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