1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio. 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly, he is Matt Williamson, 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 2: and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN. 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: Nine to seventy are live coverage from Steelers training camp 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: practices here at Saint Vincent College, and Matt, I'm looking 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: here at the news from around the league, the injuries, 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 2: the comings and goings. Practice is now over. Practice is over. 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: The Steelers made it through the entire training camp without 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: a major, major injury. 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: The last seventh round picked and that's unfortunate, but all 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: in all, in the scheme of things, of what you 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: have invested in these guys, that's a very minimal. Yeah. 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean, so from that regard, that was absolutely a success. 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: And I can also promise you that this team practiced 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: more physically and hard probably than most of the others 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: around the league, without a doubt, and without I have 19 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind about that. Yeah. 20 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: So, I mean to me, I don't know if maybe 21 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: the physical practices lend themselves to not getting hurt or 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: I don't know, I think you know, you hear. I've 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: heard players say this in the past. So if you're 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: out there trying not to get hurt, that's when you 25 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: get hurt, Like if you're pulling. If you're out there 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: playing or practicing, but you're not really playing football, you 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: don't protect yourself as well. 28 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: You're not going you're not using your muscles the way 29 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: they should be for games. You're not training your body 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: to deal with weak one, how to take a hit, 31 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: how to go to the ground. 32 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, of that nature. 33 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: So I think, I mean, there's certainly a lot of injuries, 34 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: and unfortunately bad ones that don't happen from contact, you know, 35 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: from hits, you know. I just think that that's unfortunate. 36 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons why they want to practice 37 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: on the grass out here, because those don't seem to 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: happen quite as much on grass. 39 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: And I'm sure some people do more likely to pull 40 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: a hamstring or tear something or whatever, just from either 41 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: conditioning or genetics or whatever. But I don't know. I mean, 42 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: I do worry again, I hate I'm. 43 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 2: Not a doctor. 44 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm not a sports scientist obviously, but I would think 45 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: walking into week one, it's eighty five percent of your conditioning, 46 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: you know, with the intentions of I'll get it in 47 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: a week or two and then I'll be fresher on 48 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: the back end of the season. 49 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: That would scare me from an injury standpoint. 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean, if I haven't played 51 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: a lot of serious football. Sixty preseason snaps total or 52 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: something like that. 53 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: That August August seventeenth. So we're midway through August. We're 54 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: less than three weeks away now, basically three weeks away 55 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 2: now from the season opener because that's September tenth, I believe. 56 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: So you know, you start to wonder about some of 57 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: these guys who are still holding out or holding in 58 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: and doing these kind of things. I know, you know 59 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: for TJ. Watt, it worked. You know, he was able 60 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: to come out fresh, but he, you know, missed some 61 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: games that year. Mm hmm. 62 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: I mean like Nick Bosa is one of those guys 63 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, I mean he's actually flat out holding out, right, 64 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he's out. 65 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: I can't. 66 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure he's working out, he's not sitting 67 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: around eating potato chips, but still, I mean, he's not 68 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: playing football. 69 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: I think he missed things though I think that you know, 70 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: the hold in to me, people get all excepted. You're 71 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: still out there, you're doing some you're doing individual drills. 72 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: M hm. 73 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: You're doing what you want. 74 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: You're not just you're just not doing the team stuff. 75 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: So I don't know if we've ever talked to hold ends, 76 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: because I've heard two theories on it, and like TJ's 77 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: situation seemed like both sides were very they were okay 78 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: with amicable about it, and we know this is going 79 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: to happen great where there are other ones that hold 80 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: in just to save the fines, but they're not really 81 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: acting as part of the team and they're a distraction 82 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: and sitting by themselves in lunch room. 83 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: Or whatever or something like that. And it was Deshaun Watson, 84 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: He's like, I don't want to I don't They didn't 85 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: want they didn't want him practicing. He didn't want to 86 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: practice because he could get hurt and then right right 87 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: and he did. You know, I think he'd come out 88 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: and throw or I think he even played like deep 89 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: safety one time or something goofy or even last year. 90 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: I mean, this seems like a million years ago. Remember 91 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo was practicing on his own, like before practice, 92 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: and they had no intentions of, you know, having them 93 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: trade him, and right, you're not in the mix. They 94 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: didn't even know who brock Perty was at that point, hardly, 95 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, yeah, I don't know. 96 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: I mean one of my points so with the hold 97 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: in is if that guy's frustrated and he comes here 98 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: sixteen days in a row or whatever, and by the 99 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: eighth or ninth day he's whispering in his buddy's ear, 100 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: this organization doesn't care about any of us. 101 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: Uh, screw them all. I don't care, you know. Yeah, 102 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: that's not good for team Rale, you know what I mean. Yeah, 103 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 2: And I mean TJ didn't do that, but you know 104 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: that player is typically one of your better players. 105 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: And right, right, right, it's not a good message or 106 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: there's you know that throws things off. 107 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm just curious about that. It looks like 108 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: mentioned earlier that Tron Armstead. 109 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: Was carter if we talked about that on the aerono 110 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah. 111 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 2: With Tron Armstead, to left tackle for the Dolphins was 112 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,679 Speaker 2: carted off. Today, he texted the NFL network's camera Wolf 113 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: that he should be good following the injury scare, but 114 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: he's still going to go for an MRI to be 115 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: one hundred percent certain that he's okay. So just because 116 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: he thinks he's good doesn't mean that you know, he's 117 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: going to get in there and he's going to like 118 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 2: what they see. 119 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: So I've never met Tron Armstead, of course, but he's 120 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: one of the five best left tackles in the league. Still, 121 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: he's a special player in terms of athleticism and when 122 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 1: he's right, he's really really good. Now, their O line, 123 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: to me, is one of the biggest weaknesses on the 124 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: team if they're if not number one, and team depth 125 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: isn't great for the Dolphins. But this I know about 126 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: Armstead is he's considered one of the toughest guys in 127 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: the league for the multitude of injuries he plays through, 128 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: And so that's tremendous. I mean, but everyone that knows 129 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: him basically expects to get twelve games a year out 130 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: of him, you know, because everything he has and it's 131 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: more than one. And I don't know his injury history, 132 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: but it's a multitude of injuries that really haven't gone 133 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: away that he plays through more than most players might. 134 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: But I've been told it's crazy talk to count on 135 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: him as your left tackle for seventeen to twenty years. 136 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: He's years and he's up in age, and it's not 137 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: going to get better, you know, it's only gonna get worse. Yeah. 138 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: I mean they went out and traded for him last year. 139 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 2: And I mean, this is the thing. We've had this 140 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: discussion many many times about going all in. Oh, all 141 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: in is riskies could be. It's so, you're the Dolphins 142 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: are a quote unquote all in this year. Their salary 143 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 2: cap becomes a mess after this year. 144 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it hasn't gotten paid yet. Yeah, and you're right, 145 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 1: they don't have an expensive quarterbacks. 146 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: Right. 147 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: They knew this when they traded for Tyreek and Ramsey, 148 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: and right. 149 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: That was my first thought when I saw arm Instead 150 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: was getting carted off. I'm like, okay, so you already 151 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 2: had the Ramsey injury and now you lose Armstead and 152 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: you don't have any depth behind those guys. And those 153 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: are two of the guys you went all in with. Right, 154 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: that was part of their there. They're okay, we're gonna 155 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: go get Tyreek, We're gonna get Ramsey, We're gonna get Armstead. 156 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: They're the three and Chubb and Chubb the defensive end. 157 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: So I mean they went outside the organization for pro 158 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: bowlish caliber players. And when you do that, of course 159 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: you have less cheap draft. 160 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: Pick, you know. 161 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: Right, the they're becoming very Rams, like not this version 162 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: of the Rams, but the last five year version of 163 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: the Rams where stars and scrubs and that's okay, but 164 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: when your stars go down, then you got nothing. Yeah, Like, 165 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: they're gonna be one of my favorite under bets in 166 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: terms of over underwinging. 167 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: They say this is an organization in their schedules awful too. 168 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: You know we talk about like the Chargers of the 169 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: Lions having a history there. 170 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't win much. 171 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: The doll Dolphins had Dan Marino, yeah, his entire career. 172 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: I mean they made it to the Super Bowl once. 173 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: How much have they won since Shula? Yeah. 174 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: And it's not like they've had terrible players, including Marino. 175 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: I mean they were it's another organization that doesn't seem 176 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: to get it right. 177 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: Doesn't seem to get it right. And of course they 178 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: were stuck behind the Patriots and that division. 179 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: Year after year. 180 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: You didn't have to be stuck, but you don't. Doesn't 181 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: mean you just kept a roll over and die. You 182 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: get a lot of high picks in that time. 183 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: You're you're the Dolphins and you you traded the Patriots 184 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: Wes Welker. 185 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, people forget that, right, Like you gave the division 186 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: foe a division fo a guy went out and got 187 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: one hundred catches every year because you didn't know what 188 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: to do, didn't know what to do to them, didn't 189 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: the slot receiver was not prevalent at that point. And 190 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: so yeah, they got that same offs even they got 191 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: Randy Moss. Yeah, they give up a fifth round pick 192 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: I think for Moss and a second or third for 193 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: Welker and like, but there's our passing game. We just 194 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: built a passing game in a day. Yeah, I mean, 195 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: so be right. And do we trust that organization? 196 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: No? Do we trust that quarterback? It's like the Jets. 197 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 2: Do you really trust the Jets? No? Who haven't won 198 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: anything in forever? 199 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: No? I mean again, Lions Bear or Lions Browns and Jets. 200 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: To me, I see a lot of good things on paper, 201 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: but history tells me much differently. 202 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: Joe Willie Namath hasn't played in a long long time, right, 203 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: I mean that was pre NFL, Like they hadn't even 204 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: merged yet, right, right, I wasn't born yet. I mean, 205 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: that's that's that's ancient history. You know when you see 206 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: stuff a lot of times in the NFL, they'll talk 207 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: about records post merger, like that's considered, you know, BC times. Right, 208 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: that's how long it's been since the Jets won. It 209 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: have been good. 210 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they've gone to the playoffs here and 211 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: there with the Revis years, but they didn't go far. 212 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 2: You don't. I don't trust that organization. 213 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: I mean, the Lions to me, are exactly like that. 214 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: The Browns are exactly like that, and you're right, the 215 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: Dolphins and Chargers and others aren't far off, right, you know. 216 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: I mean Bill Walsh always used to say there's six 217 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: to eight teams we have to worry about every year 218 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: when he was with the Niners. And now those six 219 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: to eight teams weren't the same six or eight every year, 220 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: but they kind of were, you know. I mean, it 221 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: was Dallas, it was the Steelers, it was you know, 222 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it was good organization. 223 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 2: A long time. It was the Giants in Washington, no doubt. 224 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: I mean, the NFC East was strong, you know at 225 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: that point or you know, without question. But there are 226 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: the teams that don't really go away, and then there's 227 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: the ones that, Okay, maybe they put it all together 228 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: and have a good year. Like I don't I shouldn't 229 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: even bring it up, but I kind of feel like 230 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: the Bengals are one of those teams that perennially doesn't. 231 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: They're closer to the Browns than the Steelers, but now 232 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: they have a great quarterback, so they'll be in it. 233 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: Not because I mean that's probably unfair. I mean not 234 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: because that they've done great things, because they have built 235 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: a pretty garden good roster in addition to drafting Borough. 236 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: I feel a little differently about like they've won the division. 237 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: I am sorry to change my tune for that organization. Yeah, 238 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: they won it pre b They won it with Carson Palmer. 239 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: You know, they did things with Andy Dalton where they won. 240 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 2: Marvin Lewis was a good coach in the playoff game, 241 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: right right right? 242 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, just because they haven't won a Super Bowl, 243 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't lump them in with the Lions, you know, 244 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: I mean that's probably unfair. 245 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 2: I mean, especially where they're at right now. 246 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been there a couple of super I mean 247 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: they're beating the Chiefs and battling the Bills and yeah, right, no, 248 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: so that's probably unfair to them. 249 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 2: But you know there's in organizations. 250 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the Bears haven't won since Ditka, right, and 251 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: when I say not one, I mean like hardly even 252 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: made the playoffs, right, you know. 253 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: The Cardinals got there once, like the right. 254 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: And you know, like and the Cardinals kept making the 255 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: same bad decisions in terms of I was just listening 256 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: to a Cardinals preview the other day and I hadn't 257 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: realized this to this point, but like really in our 258 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: lifetime almost or really since this ownership group in the Cardinals, 259 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: they just keep promoting from within. Do I have to 260 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: say anymore? You know, like in losing and promoting from 261 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: within and losing. 262 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: You know, like one of the misnomers about the Steelers, 263 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: like people get angry about this, was they just they 264 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: just promote these guys from within. 265 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, because from when you're winning and you have something 266 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: good going, you've. 267 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 2: Got an organ you know, you're hiring people who understand 268 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 2: your organization. 269 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: Steeler Way, the Patriot Way or whatever, you know what 270 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they built the foundation, so let's build on top, 271 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: put an addition on the house, as opposed to the 272 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: house is a mess. Wreck it and start over. So 273 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: I do give like the Cardinals credit, Like they went 274 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: outside the organization. They're going to try to do this 275 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: Eagles approach and have all these draft picks and we'll see, 276 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: I mean, but usually it's like, let's they just kept 277 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: putting band aids on things. 278 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was a gaping wound. Yeah, so it's interesting. 279 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: But yeah, the fact that the Steelers made it through 280 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 2: this camp without any major injuries, to me, is is huge. 281 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: Miami scares me. I mean, back to your original play. 282 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: They're very top Yeah. And well I mentioned this before. 283 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: I mean we talked about all these quarterback injuries and 284 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: sixty nine starting quarterbacks last year, Miami. 285 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: Had four of them in San Francisco. Thompson's still there. 286 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And and partially because they run the same 287 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: system and they don't protect a quarterback particularly well, and 288 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: they don't value offensive line quite as much as they 289 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: do Tyreek and Debo and Kittle and Waddle. You know, 290 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: they like the fast cars. They like to they break 291 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: down a lot though, Yeah, and the fast cars don't 292 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: protect the house, you know, the quarterback. They both have 293 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: a great left tackle, but other than that, and now 294 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: they don't have a great left tackle. 295 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: Football's team game. Having you know, a few stars, you 296 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 2: know when. 297 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: We talk, you need some dump trucks too. 298 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: You need some guys who are going to also do 299 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: the dirty working. 300 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: Can just be you know, not only the team game, 301 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: but it's a physical, grueling game. You know that all 302 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: these high priced vehicles that don't do the alrty work. 303 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't ask the Lamborghini to drag the 304 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: logs up the hill or whatever. Build the house was 305 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: built for right, right, But they need the value lines 306 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: more and I think they'll. It kind of makes me 307 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: happy that the league. It's not saying that the Shanahan 308 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: approach can't work as shortcand but it is revealing some 309 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: things that just don't give me every fast skill guy 310 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: I can get and then fill in the blankst of 311 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: offensive line. 312 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm watching here right now. Speaking of offensive line. 313 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: They're still putting the time in. Huke's a corps for 314 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 2: out there working with Spencer Anderson as a right tackle, 315 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: and he's working with Nick Herbig here as well. Her Bigs. 316 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: They're just I mean, they're going at like a quarter speed, 317 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: just working on their footwork, hands right, right right, and 318 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 2: you see Chukes kind of watching with the young man here, telling, 319 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: you know, showing, giving him little tips about, hey, here's 320 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: what you want to do on that kind of again, 321 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: this is the kind of This is how you build 322 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: a winning organization when players pay it forward. 323 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: Like that, right right right, one of them is helping 324 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: the other as opposed is to out there trying to 325 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: do battle with each other. Can you give me a 326 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: real pat I kind of looked at this the other way, like, 327 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: I think the offense herbig's doing them a favor to 328 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: give him a real get off as opposed to but 329 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: brothers not gond give him the same get off. He can 330 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: look at this though, for her from Herbig's he's learning 331 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: what the opponent does, what they want to try to 332 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: do against him, so then he can counter that when 333 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: he when he encounters it in the game. For example, 334 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: like the best defensive coordinators understand the opponent's past protection 335 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: schemes as well as the offense coordinator about the face. 336 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: You know, they know the rules, they know understand and 337 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: so Herbig sitting here learning, Oh that's why I have 338 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: a problem with this inside move because every tackle does 339 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: it or whatever. 340 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: You're reaching from this shoulder and if he gets his 341 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: hand on this shoulder and then I'm in trouble. So 342 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: I've got to stop that. 343 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, when am I vulnerable? When is he vulnerable? All 344 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: those things? But I do think what Chukes's ass of 345 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: him was, Can you get off the ball a little 346 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: better than my o lineman buddies? Yeah, I can practice. 347 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: It's at slightly different speed, you know. So that is 348 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: good stuff. Usually turbet with watt. But teams like all 349 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: the stars are holding court, you know, Kenny and Friarmouth 350 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: and Cam and Nausey. 351 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: They all camp here. Yeah, say thank you to everybody. 352 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: They've been really good with the fans post practice. 353 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: A lot of fans again lot, this was a this 354 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: was a practice that was not supposed to be at 355 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: this time on purpose, and it was you know, it's 356 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: it's packed with people. Again. We also see the the 357 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: plumb youth based or youthful plum. Yeah. Figure they're down 358 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: on the field there. They do a great job with 359 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 2: all that youth football. They lost one of their teammates 360 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: and that explosion out there, did they really Yeah, So 361 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: that's that's why they were invited out today. Father Paul 362 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: was telling us that, Okay, the head here of Saint 363 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: Vincent College, he said that, you know, it's just really. 364 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: A cool story that hopefully makes it a little better 365 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: for them. 366 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, able to throw it in. I mean, imagine being 367 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: twelve and losing one of your teammates on your. 368 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: Buddies, right yeah. So no, but they do a great 369 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: job that aside. I mean, they do a tremendous job. 370 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: We never really give them the credit. The youth football 371 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: program often yeah. 372 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah runs that and Joe does a great job with that. 373 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: Usually on that far field. You know that they are 374 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: over there doing stuff. 375 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 2: I've got a different group here every day. It's awesome. Yeah. 376 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: I mean, just you know, if you're a young kid 377 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 2: and you get to come out here and again be 378 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 2: on the field with the Steelers. 379 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: And you're Cam Hayward's right there, and you never Hearris 380 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: is catching passes right away. 381 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 2: From you, right never. 382 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: You're never gonna forget that, no, I mean, frankly, I 383 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: mean when I stand next to Cam Heyward or Nausey, 384 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: I look at them and go, WHOA. You know, I'm like, 385 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: this is pretty cool. And wow, they look like a 386 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: different species than me. But imagine if I was ten 387 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: year old Matt, you know, with my plumb team here 388 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: or whatever, like just being near those guys as Wow, 389 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: I want to be that guy or this is just 390 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: really cool and I'm never gonna forget it. 391 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: You Knoweah, They've all got their their footballs and things 392 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: like that out there to be signed. They're looking over 393 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 2: longingly at Alex Highsmith. He's talking with somebody and he'll 394 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: be coming over. 395 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: Their eyeball and cam too. Yeah, who else is over. 396 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: There with them? Let's Levi Wallace over there. Looks like 397 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 2: they might have been talking to their age or something. 398 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: And now high Smith's heading over to to sign some 399 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: water gre for these. 400 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: Young men and the Plum kid. 401 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 2: That's that's the cool thing, you know, you think about it. 402 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: And I wrote the story about Alex high Smith in 403 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 2: the in the Fall last year, and this is pre breakout. 404 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: Alex high Smith. Yeah, and his dad sent me a 405 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: bunch of pictures of Alex when he was basically this 406 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: age he was, you know, he was just a pudgy 407 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: little kid that you're like, wow, that that doesn't look 408 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: like a guy who's now a lot, you know, starting 409 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: NFL linebacker in the NFL. You just don't know. 410 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: He wasn't a five star that went to Bama even 411 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: in high school too, So I'm sure he was a 412 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: late bloomer and you know, certainly. 413 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: Really a self made guy. 414 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's even true with his NFL career, you know. 415 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: I mean it's a mid round pick, he wasn't guaranteed 416 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: anything and now armed himself a big contract and is 417 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: one of the better starter outs edge guys in the league. 418 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gotta be really cool to be able to 419 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: be signing now, to do that kind of stuff. And 420 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: you know, Joe Lofton out there playing catch with a 421 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: couple of kids. So yeah, good stuff. No, that's great, 422 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: good stuff. 423 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. 424 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 2: Who all's down there? So I see TJ. Wats down 425 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 2: there signing. 426 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: I said, a lot of the stars are out there 427 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: hitting it pretty hard. Kenny was out there. Friarmouth was 428 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: out there for a while, he said. Watts out there 429 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: with a huge crowd around him. 430 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: Of course, I like when he like he's taking somebody's 431 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: phone and taking a selfie with him, they're all crowding 432 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 2: around it. 433 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: Never gonna wash this phone again. 434 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he makes sure you back that. I 435 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 2: clad rack it up on your cloud because you don't 436 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: want to lose that photo twenty years from now. 437 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: And one of those kids in the league taking the 438 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: Watts taking the selfie with us. Funny when you see 439 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: stuff like that, that is hilarious. 440 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: I know there's a picture of like Jim Kelly had 441 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: his picture taken with Terry Bradshaw when he was a 442 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: little guy, and it was it was very obviously Jim Kelly. 443 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: It means in same face and all that right. 444 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: That you know, like that's that's really cool. 445 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: There's a I know you're not a super hockey fan 446 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: or whatever, but there's a like a legendary picture of 447 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: Wayne Gretzky when he's like eight and he's got a 448 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: hockey stick around with Gordi house neck or whatever. Yeah, 449 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: it's like no one knew he's gonna be the great one. 450 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure he could be a pretty good eight year old, 451 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, it wasn't like, oh, he's gonna be an 452 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: all time great and break Gordy's you know, all time 453 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: points lead or anything. 454 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's really cool. It is we're gonna take 455 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 2: a break. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lowlly. 456 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio 457 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: and ESPN nine seventy are live coverage from Steelers training 458 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: camp practices here at Saint Vincent College. The final practice 459 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 2: of training Camp twenty twenty three is wrapped up, but 460 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: we still got more to go here with the show 461 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 2: where we'll be with you here until six o'clock, so 462 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 2: there's lots more for Matt and I to talk about. 463 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: We'll be back with more right after this. Welcome back. 464 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lolly. He is Matt Williamson. This is the 465 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy are 466 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: live ongoing coverage from Steelers training camp here at Saint 467 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: Vincent College. And Matt we get some breaking news. I 468 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: went number one from Plumb. 469 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's all right, he was he was doing gymnastics 470 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: and stuff earlier too. 471 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: Just catch a. 472 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: Bomb I think from Minca or one of those guys 473 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: through in the past. 474 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he just did a little chest stump there with 475 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: with George Pickens. 476 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: So that's and I mean a break or breaking news. 477 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: My scouting eyes got a got an eyeball for this 478 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: twelve year old from plumbing. 479 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: Once again, we see the coach or I guess the 480 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 2: trainer firing the ball Mink and Fitzpatrick from less than 481 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 2: ten yards. 482 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: Away, like right right, shipping it at yeah, like he 483 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: gets it, loads up and runs at him and fires 484 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:30,239 Speaker 1: it right. 485 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: The Ravens have signed cornerback Ronald Darby as they're they're desperate. 486 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: They are completely desperate. You're talking about a guy in Darby. 487 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: A lot of injuries, right, yeah. 488 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's two years in Denver, the last two years 489 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 2: in Denver, fifty three tackles while starting eleven games in 490 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 2: his first season, limited to five games last year with 491 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: after and then tour his A c L. He's coming 492 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 2: back off like they're really stripe. 493 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: You mentioned it, you mentioned yesterday. I mean finding corners 494 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: on the market right now you might get names like him. Yeah, 495 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: but they have made it still play. They got warts, 496 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: you know, they got numerous injuries, age, loss of step whatever. 497 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: If they're still out there, something's wrong with him. Maybe 498 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: they catch lightning in a bottle with him and he 499 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: plays like he did in. 500 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: His best years. But that's a desperate situation. Yeah, he 501 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: had Ronald Darby hasn't been a dude in not years. 502 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: No, he's kind of like the second or third corner 503 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: that you pick on. Yeah, right, if he's out there 504 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: at all, So I think they're in trouble before. I 505 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: think they're in a lot of trouble. 506 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 2: So we'll see, you know how that continues to evolve 507 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 2: for the Baltimore Ravens. 508 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: Ravens and Dolphins have been the two that are was 509 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: standing quite a bit here in mid August already. 510 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, looking at the Buffalo Bills of course, as as 511 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin did. And we'll hear this later. Sean McDermott 512 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: held his press conference today for the Bills. I said, 513 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 2: Josh Allen and the starters, we'll play about a quarter 514 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: and a half against Saturday's preseason game against the Steelers. Uh. 515 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: Damian Harris with the knee was limited today. Gabe Davis, 516 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 2: he was back at practice today, So maybe you see 517 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: Gabe Davis out there. Eli Ankow defensive tackle not practicing. 518 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: Terrell Bernard, who we talked about, he's gonna ham start. 519 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: He's that's what he's dealing with, so you probably won't 520 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 2: see him. Linebacker Baylor Baylor inspector and in defensive back camp, 521 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: Lewis is the last two guys aren't real important. No, no, 522 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: so good chance you might not see Damian Harris. 523 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: So so the two guys, i'd be just curious about. 524 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: If you're gonna put Allen out there, you're putting the 525 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: starting offensive line, you're playing the ones. I'm sure both 526 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: the tight ends are gonna play. I assume Diggs will play. Yeah, 527 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: and I don't know about von Miller. Like von Miller 528 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: he's back yet. I just wanted his preseason careers over. 529 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I've done enough. 530 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: I mean I'm good and coming off an injury too. 531 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: So yeah, of the big name guys, with the two, 532 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: i'd be curious about. I would assume Diggs will play. 533 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: We've had questions about Javonte Williams over the course of 534 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 2: this preseason, in the offseason, really, Sean Payton told reporters 535 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: today that Javonte Williams expected to play ten to twelve 536 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: snaps Saturday against the forty nine ers. Other starters are 537 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 2: expected to play twenty to twenty four snaps. 538 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: So that's not a ringing, ringing endorsement that, oh he's back. 539 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: He's the one feed him carries left and right. 540 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 2: You want to see how he looks his first time back, 541 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 2: so but he's he is kind of like what the 542 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 2: Steelers do with nause you know what I mean. 543 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: So you're not going to beat your top running back 544 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: up in preseason either way. 545 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 2: Amon Ross Saint Brown expected to return to practice next week. 546 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: Jamison Williams will miss the rest. He could miss the 547 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: rest of the preseason. According to Dan Campbell, the Lions. 548 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: Head coach, I loved them coming out of school. 549 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: He's not going to play any more preseason games this year. 550 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: He's not gonna he's missing. He's gonna make the same Yeah, 551 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 2: six in the regular season, right, six in the regular 552 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: Season's another injured. Yeah, what's he gonna league with an injury? 553 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: Right? All the reports and practice or he looks great, 554 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: he's fast, blah blah blah blah. But some of these guys, 555 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: when you get in a hole in your career like that, 556 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: you just never. 557 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: Get out of it. 558 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't have much behind him. 559 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 2: Uh. The Packers have limited David Bachtiari's work in this 560 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: preseason slash training camp. Uh, he's practicing today for the Packers. 561 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 2: He's gonna helps played a lot of football in the 562 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 2: last couple of years. 563 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: No not at all. He's been held together with duct tape. 564 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: Two. 565 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, he just kind of at that stage of his 566 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: career where you try to kind of like the Armstead 567 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: conversation we just had, you just keep them together for 568 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: game day and hope you get another year out of them, 569 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: and who knows. 570 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: How about this Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid said his total 571 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: reporters his starters will play the first half of Saturday's 572 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: game against the Cardinals a lot. Patrick Mahomes and some 573 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 2: others are expected to play less than that though. 574 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sure Kelsey Mahomes, Yeah, maybe that's it. Maybe 575 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 1: alignment or two. But yeah, I guess one thing though, 576 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: if you're read, I'd like this receiver situation get a 577 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: little clearer for you. And you've been saying this all along, 578 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: but it looks like sky Moore is maybe in line 579 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: to be there number one. Yeah, I think that's The 580 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: reports have been good and he's running with the ones 581 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: and yeah. 582 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely worth noting. How about this one? Hassan Reddick 583 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: is having surgery to address a thumb injury suffered in 584 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 2: Monday's practice. That's according to Ian Rapaport, So it's also 585 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: he can be ready for the start of the season. 586 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: But thumb's important for lineman. I mean, absolutely use your hands. 587 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, I guess he could play with 588 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: a club or something like that. I don't remember guy's 589 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: doing that the last decade or so. I remember as 590 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: a kid that have that goofy club. 591 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: That's huge. 592 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: I mean they have some depth there, of course, And 593 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: I doubt he's gonna miss significant regular season time, but 594 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: he's a big time. 595 00:26:53,040 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 2: Player, absolutely looking here. Will Levis left Tennessee Titans practice 596 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: Thursday to consult the training staff dude an undisclosed issue. 597 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: Head coach Mike Rabel told reporters his status for Saturday's 598 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 2: preseason game against the Vikings is to be determined. The 599 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: chances of will Levis stepping in at some point this season, 600 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: are you going to put him in there when he 601 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 2: you know, missed some time into preseason and it makes 602 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: it tough. It makes it tough. 603 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: So we had a really good conversation today about young 604 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that aren't Stroud and young and Richardson, you know, 605 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: or Pickett or Purty or you know those type of dudes. 606 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 2: Talking about like. 607 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: O'Connell with the Raiders and one guy through out there, though, 608 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: that looks noticeably better this year is Malik Willis, and 609 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: he's running ahead of Levis on the depth chart right now. 610 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: So Tennessee and we know Tannehill's not going to be 611 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: their long term and they didn't use a huge pick 612 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: on a you know, a trade lance trade up or 613 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: something like that. But maybe between Willis and Levis you 614 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: might find your starter. And I think everyone just kind 615 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: of brushed Willis off like his career is over. They 616 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: were starting Josh Dobbs late in the year. Well, he 617 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: was swimming all last year. I mean, now he's actually 618 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: had an offseason. You know, he's talented, and he played 619 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: okay in the first year or the first game, and 620 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: Levis didn't. You know, Levis looks like he's swimming now. 621 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: So just don't forget about Malik Willis. I mean, they 622 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: may have stuck one by you there in just a 623 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: terrible rookie year. 624 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 2: Looking here at the thirty third team, Ryan Reynolds on 625 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: the thirty third team is NFL record predictions for every 626 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: AFC North team entering the twenty twenty three preseason. This 627 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 2: just dropped now here. So it's not entering the preseason 628 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 2: because the preseason has already started, so he's got some 629 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: notes and news here for each of these teams. Looking 630 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 2: at these in order to him in alphabetical order. I 631 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: guess in the division. Within the division he's looking here 632 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: at the Ravens win total is ten and a half. 633 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: As we mentioned, the division odds plus two to thirty 634 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 2: five Super Bowl ods plus eighteen hundred. 635 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: I like the under on ten and a half. Yeah, 636 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: I know you do too. 637 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: It says how Baltimore exceeds expectations. Former MVP Lamar Jackson 638 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: enters this year with his best office and supporting cast 639 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 2: of his career. If the Ravens keep doing what they 640 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: do on defense while Jackson takes a step forward with 641 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: the new offense, they can beat their win total with 642 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: the distance. My reaction, defense is not going to be 643 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: any good. I just how do people not see this? 644 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: That's what I say, Darby to play. 645 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: And you're entertaining clowney and things like that. 646 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: That's my problem is if the defense keeps doing what 647 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: they're doing well, then there'll be an average defense. It's 648 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: not Ray Lewis and ed Reied in Southern Sola anymore. 649 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: Now what I would say there, and he kind of 650 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: does is for them to exceed expectations. Lamar's in the 651 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: MVP conversation again, that could absolutely happen, and that in 652 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: itself could propel them to eleven wins. But that's a 653 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: big ask. I mean, we've actually be the best player 654 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: the basically, right, Yeah, I mean that's that's a big ask. 655 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: How Baltimore fails to meet the expectations. Jackson has missed 656 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: five games in each of the past two seasons. If 657 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 2: that trend continues, that's Baltimore's first pass to failure, then 658 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 2: forget about it, right Yeah. The second is Baltimore rolling 659 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: out a dramatically new offense with many new pass catchers. 660 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 2: The Ravens play all three of their division fos on 661 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: the road within the first five games of the season. 662 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: The slow start worries me for them. Yeah, it would 663 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: not be a total surprise if Jackson struggles early. I'm 664 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: one on board with that because I mean, we know 665 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: the Steelers play him tough. Yeah yeah, yeah, the Bengals 666 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: have given him fits. Yeah, you know so. And then 667 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: the third factor is that Baltimore has a below average 668 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: pass rush and its secondary has more question marks than 669 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 2: usual for their pass defense. 670 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: Has a chance to be quite bad. 671 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Ravens could struggle against high caliber passing attacks 672 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 2: this year. That's a potential problem because Baltimore plays several 673 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: games against high performing passing attacks. There are more reasons. 674 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: There to go unders and over for sure. 675 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: And even the reason why they would go over it 676 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 2: is like, oh, if Lamar Jackson is Superman, it's the 677 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 2: best player in the league, then you know they go over. 678 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: That's your only reason. 679 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: Thing, it is kind of the only thing, And he 680 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: could even be the best player in the league and 681 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: he's still go under. I mean, if you're allowing thirty 682 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: points a game and. 683 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 2: His record prediction for them is eleven and six. 684 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know they'll be good on special 685 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: teams and all that stuff, but I mean, the one 686 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: thing he mentions there is your division games earlier, all 687 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: on the road. And again, I mean, I'm sure I 688 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: said these words verbatim at some point this week, But 689 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: I agree with making the scheme change on offense, but 690 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: it's not going to be fixed overnight. You know, like 691 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: the first month of the season might be much worse 692 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: offensively than the last month. 693 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: Of this And it's also the same time when you 694 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: don't have Marlon Humphrey, right, I mean, if you drop 695 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: those three division games, well you're not getting over here 696 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: and you're not gonna win the division. Right, not this division. 697 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 2: The Cincinnati Bengals, there were twenty twenty three win totals 698 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: ten and a half wins the beginning of the season. 699 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: Worries me for them to plus one fifty Division odds 700 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 2: super Bowl odds plus eleven hundred. How Cincinnati exceeds expectations. 701 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 2: The Bengals will likely lose some of their offensive talent 702 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: because so many of them are coming up for new contracts. 703 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 2: That means this year's group could be the best supporting 704 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: cast Joe Burrow will have. Cincinnati is already a premium offense, 705 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: but they could rise to the top this season. Whether 706 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: the Bengals are the league's best offense or fifth, they 707 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 2: need defensive coordinator lou and O Romo to continue leading 708 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: it and overachieving defense. 709 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's well said. I mean basically what 710 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: I read from that is stay the course. You've been 711 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: one of the best teams in the league, you know, 712 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: a couple of years in a row, and maintain it. 713 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 2: How Cincinnati fails to meet expectations. If Burrow's calf injury 714 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 2: results in a few miss games, that's an obviously negative 715 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: for the Bengals regular season prospects. What could be worse 716 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: is if the injury nags Burrow all season long. And 717 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 2: that's something that nobody seems to be talking about. If 718 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 2: that's if that's something that bothers like, Yeah, he was 719 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: out in the field throwing before last week's preseason game. 720 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he wasn't running yet, right right. 721 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: Every team relies on his starting quarterbacks availability, but Cincinnati 722 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 2: will struggle to steal wins without Burrow. That's an understatement 723 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 2: and a half. Trevor Simmy ain't winning games with that. 724 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: I don't care what lineup he's got. Trevor Simians not winning. 725 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I love Lamar, but I like their chances 726 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: with Huntley better than I like the Bengals chances with Simon. Yeah, 727 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. 728 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: The Bengals lost their best defender this offseason, safety Jesse Bates. 729 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but he's a good qualilayer 730 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: post safety. 731 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: As they lost, Cincinnati has a mediocre pass rush and 732 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 2: is now without his defensive centerpiece and Oramo is one 733 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,239 Speaker 2: of the league's best defensive coordinators, but he's working with 734 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 2: a below average defense. From a pure talent standpoint, I 735 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: would say it's an average one. 736 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, they just don't have Garrett Watt Parsons. 737 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: They don't know that the headliner. But they also have 738 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: a lot of weaknesses on defense. And they get Alusier back, 739 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: who was a pretty good player for him. That was 740 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: a bigger loss than people realize. I mean, they have 741 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: a solid roster. Yeah. 742 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 2: His prediction for them is eleven and six. 743 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I think that's probably would be my 744 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: guest too. Unlike the Steelers, though they played the Jags, 745 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: the Chiefs or. 746 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 2: Bills, right, they didn't play all the other first place teams. 747 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 2: That's brutal in this conference. 748 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: I'm not taking any away from the Steelers win in 749 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: Week one last year, though, but that was a shell 750 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: of the Bengals team. They could look like that in 751 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: Week one. I don't even know who they play or care, 752 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: but Cleveland. I play Cleveland, okay, but they got block 753 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett and this new defensive front. You know, I 754 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: mean I hope they well I don't care one way 755 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: or another, but I mean you would hope they would 756 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: learn from the rust they looked they started last season with. 757 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 2: Moving on here to the Browns, there's win totals nine 758 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 2: and a half, which is crazy to me, their Division 759 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 2: odds plus three eighty, their Super Bowl odds plus thirty 760 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 2: five hundred. How Cleveland exceeds expectations if Deshaun Watson returns 761 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 2: to his pre suspension forms of Browns have enough talent 762 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 2: to be a top ten offense. Even when Watson was 763 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 2: at the height of his powers in Houston, he never 764 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 2: had a premium offensive line or a running back like 765 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 2: Nick Chubb. In a best case scenario, Cleveland has a 766 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 2: premium offense that can dominate on the ground or through 767 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 2: the air. Similarly, the Browns have a lot of high 768 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 2: end talent on defense. They have a fringe top ten front, 769 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 2: a unique linebacker in Jeremiah wolsu Cormoa, and his secondary 770 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 2: with a ton of upside. That defensive talent started to 771 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 2: come together down the stretch last season. If Cleveland fires 772 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 2: on all cylinders, it's a dangerous team that can win 773 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 2: games in multiple styles. I'll make note here that that 774 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 2: defense that was supposedly coming together down the stretch last season, 775 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 2: in the regular season finale against the Steelers give up 776 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 2: twenty eight points. Yeah, and they were really weak up 777 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 2: the middle and got a good run. They didn't start 778 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 2: to come together. I played some bad teams in bad weather. 779 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: I did agree with ninety percent of that paragraph. Yeah, 780 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: you know, if a wotion Cormora takes a step up, 781 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of ifs there, if there was 782 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: one hundred of them. Yeah, right, okay, I mean I'm 783 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: not going to critique that too hard. 784 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: How Cleveland fails to meet expectations. If the post suspension 785 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 2: version of Watson we saw last season is the new reality, 786 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: Cleveland could bomb. In that scenario, the Browns will rely 787 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 2: on their premier run game and their talented but unreliable defense. 788 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 2: Now he's saying it's talented but unreliable, and I think 789 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 2: it's both. Yeah, that's who they were for most of 790 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 2: last season. His record prediction for them is nine and eight. 791 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: I think eight or nine is about where I be 792 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: with them. You said nine and a half to the number. Yeah, 793 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 1: I would definitely go. 794 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 2: Under, right. I mean that's just again, there's some teams 795 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 2: that you just don't trust. Yeah, there's some of that. 796 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 2: They're one of them. 797 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that. They're a tremendously coached team. 798 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: I think they're fine. 799 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: You know that brings us to the Steelers, who have 800 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 2: the lowest win total in the division at eight and 801 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 2: a half, which still surprises the heck at them. 802 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I think it's quarterback driven. 803 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 2: The division odds are plus four fifty. That's not a 804 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 2: bad payoff. 805 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: The Super Bowl odds plus five thousand. That seems like 806 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 1: a long shot. But win a division to me, isn't insane. 807 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 2: How Pittsburgh exceeds expectations. You said eight and a half 808 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 2: the win total eight and a half to win total. 809 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,959 Speaker 2: If Pittsburgh strings together yet another winning season, it's stint 810 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 2: defense will likely drive the buses we saw last year. 811 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 2: The Steelers are a different team when edge rusher TJ. 812 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 2: Wattis sideline. However, when Pittsburgh has all of its key pieces, 813 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 2: it has a top five defense. Kenny Pickett didn't headline 814 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 2: a high performance offense his rookie year, but he had 815 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 2: his moments. In particular, Pickett played some of his best 816 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 2: football with the game on the line. Heading into his 817 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 2: second season, the Steelers have a good young skill group 818 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 2: and improved offensive line. Pittsburgh has a clear path to 819 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 2: improve an offense. If everything falls the right way for 820 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 2: the Steelers, they have a manageable enough schedule to make 821 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 2: the playoffs. These are all things we've been saying for months. 822 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 2: Must be listening to. 823 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: And there were not as many browns, but there were 824 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 1: some ifs in there, of course. 825 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 826 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 1: I just like the chances of a lot of those 827 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,760 Speaker 1: ifts going positively for the Steelers. 828 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, how Pittsburgh fails to meet the expectations. The primary 829 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 2: path to failure in Pittsburgh is the most obvious Pickett 830 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,919 Speaker 2: doesn't make progress in his second year. The other most 831 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 2: likely culprit is their new cornerback room. Patrick Peterson's best 832 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 2: days are long behind him. In rookie second rounder Joey 833 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 2: Porter's crossroom, that's wrong, oh okay, and that Wallace's Levi 834 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,720 Speaker 2: Wallace is not even mentioned, not even mentioned. The Steelers 835 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 2: have a high end pass rush that will help their 836 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 2: vulnerable secondary, but their cornerback group is the biggest. 837 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: Weakness on this team. His predicted record nine to eight. 838 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: He's harsher on the corners than I would be. But 839 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: I could write a story where Porter's not ready and 840 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: Peterson looks done and then you'd be in trouble. Yeah, 841 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: you know, there's no doubt about that. I mean, Wallace 842 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: isn't gonna booy the entire room, you know, Yeah, you know, 843 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: I mean, so that's possible. Inside linebacker would worry me more. See, 844 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: I'm not just worried about that. 845 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 2: Now, Lexander looks like a dude. 846 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: They may have stolen him, yeah yeah, and it's it's 847 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 1: probably gonna better than that last year's either way. Yeah. 848 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm not as concerned about that because I 849 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 2: think they've got three NFL dudes there and a young 850 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 2: guy that that has some promise. 851 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 1: Quand Lexander might be pretty good. Yeah, could could very 852 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: well be the question. 853 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 2: In the splash play world where they were lacking last 854 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 2: year about yeah, they're going to make more splash plays 855 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 2: and inside linebacker this year than they did last year. 856 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 2: And those two can run hulkam and yeah, right, absolutely, 857 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 2: we're gonna get We're overdue for a break here. We 858 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 2: should get to that. He is Matt Williamson. I am 859 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 2: Dale Lollie. We are live from Steelers training camp practice 860 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 2: here at Saint Fencent College. The Steelers just finished up 861 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 2: with their final open practice here at Saint Fencent College. 862 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 2: They'll have a walk through tomorrow morning and then play 863 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,760 Speaker 2: their second preseason game on Saturday at Akroshure Stadium against 864 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. We're going to take a break back, Matt, 865 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 2: and now we'll be back with more here on ESPN 866 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 2: nine seventy and Steelers Nation Radio right after this. Welcome back. 867 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lollie. He is Matt Williamson. This is the 868 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 2: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy are 869 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 2: continuing live coverage from Steelers training camp here at Saint 870 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 2: Vincent College, and well our last day of that continuing live, 871 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 2: Yeah from Saint Fincent College. 872 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: Got another year until we come back eleven months or so. 873 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've this be my thirty third training camp is 874 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 2: now in the books. 875 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: Impressive, thirty one of them here, true true COVID was 876 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: not right. 877 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 2: So that's thirty one months that I've spent basically of 878 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 2: my life here, give or take right. It's a lot. 879 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 2: It's a lot. 880 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: You only get so many months in your life, and 881 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: you've put a lot of them here away from home 882 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: doing your work and good stuff. A good one though. 883 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, what have we? What have we learned here a truly. 884 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: How about the weather, I mean like it's been like 885 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: no bad weather days? 886 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the ones that they did have, they 887 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 2: dodged with their practices, right, No, that it rained early. 888 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 2: There were a couple of practices where it did rain, 889 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 2: and you know, they it was dicey and they get 890 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 2: they were still able to get them in. Is there 891 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 2: anything that you've learned about this team that you didn't 892 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 2: know coming in? Mmmm? 893 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: Well, I'm doing my best to govern my enthusiasm for 894 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: what this season could entail because you're here human nature, 895 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: there's optimism. You watch these guys, you get a connection 896 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: and have to realize there's thirty when other teams doing 897 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: the exact same thing, the same Yeah right. I mean 898 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: if I was in the press box that Jets camp, 899 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,399 Speaker 1: would I be picking them to win the Super Bowl? 900 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I mean, I'm not in 901 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 2: those shoes. 902 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: But I don't see a lot of weaknesses on this team. 903 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: And I really really think the offense is going to 904 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: take a step forward, and a big step forward. You know, 905 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 1: the passing game in particular, the running game was in place, 906 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: and I expect that to still be good above average. 907 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: You know, not the best running game in the league, 908 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: but a power game that sets the other things capable, 909 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: very capable. But I think that the passing game has 910 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 1: a chance to be better than I thought before I 911 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: got the Saint VNS. 912 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 2: I think the one thing, and we touched on this 913 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 2: in the previous segment, the one thing that I feel 914 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 2: much better about is that inside linebacker position, and a 915 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,439 Speaker 2: lot of that's because of the addition of Kawant Alexander. Yeah, 916 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 2: I mean, we did big question mark and I remember 917 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 2: sitting here the first couple of days of practice before 918 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 2: they had signed to Alexander and looking across the field 919 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 2: and looking at that inside linebacker group, going they need 920 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 2: one more guy, one more guy. 921 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: Like I can't quite quite count on Robinson yet. And 922 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: I also like that Alexander and Roberts are very different style. Yeah, 923 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, like, Okay, Alexander is a great boost. Maybe 924 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: he is the every down linebacker, but Roberts is a 925 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: lot different and there'll be times you want to use 926 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: a little bit of each. And frankly that's true at 927 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 1: like Calvin Austin versus Robinson as well. The entire tight 928 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: end room and the running backs are all a little different, 929 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: you know, so you have a lot more there's a 930 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 1: lot of diverse aility. Yeah, that's a better word. Yeah, 931 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,720 Speaker 1: that's a great word, positional diversity across the board. 932 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, you could do different things each week depending on 933 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 2: the opponent and how you can attack them or how 934 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 2: they're trying to attack you. That. I don't know that 935 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,399 Speaker 2: every team can do that. I know. You know we've 936 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 2: seen Steelerson certainly compared to last year. Yeah, so yeah, 937 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 2: I feel much better about that that position as a 938 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 2: whole now. 939 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: I think the positional diversity on the roster is way 940 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: better now than it was when they broke camp last year. Yeah, 941 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,400 Speaker 1: especially on offense. 942 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe we'll feel differently about that after they 943 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 2: played the Buffalo Bills. 944 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: Probably not, but it might be an eye opening terrible 945 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: game could be. I mean it could be. That's a 946 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,799 Speaker 1: really good football team, and if the first half is 947 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: just dominated by Allen and the Bills, maybe when we 948 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,439 Speaker 1: get back to doing the drive regularly, won't be as enthusiastic. 949 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: Who knows. I'm psy like to see it. Yeah, I 950 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: want to see it. 951 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 2: I'm really interested in seeing that game in particular. That's 952 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 2: the one I kind of circled on the preseason calendar, like, Okay, 953 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 2: I think Tomlin's going to play his starters here, and 954 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,399 Speaker 2: I think McDermott will probably follow suit. That's a good 955 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,879 Speaker 2: football team. You know, that's a good football team. It'll 956 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 2: be a good measuring stick. You know, the Steelers went 957 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 2: up there last year and got dominated. Yeah, and Canny 958 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 2: picktts first career start. And I know it's not like 959 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 2: a regular season game, but it's a home game. It's 960 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 2: the home opener. I'm sure there'll be some enthusiasm and 961 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 2: some cool stuff and Hamlin coming back, and I mean 962 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 2: there's a lot as preseason games go. This is a headliner. Yeah, 963 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 2: and the Steelers will be doing the Franco Harris rodnveiled 964 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 2: that at five o'clock in the Great Hall his new 965 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 2: uniform display. So if you want to get there early 966 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 2: for the game, that'll be at the Great Hall. I'll 967 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 2: get in there and see that again. That's at five o'clock, 968 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 2: So you know, I expect it to be a pretty 969 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 2: good crowd there. The weather should be good, and you know. 970 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: We'll both get contributing to the pregame show as well. 971 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely might i' might do one small hit for this one, 972 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: but you'll be doing a bunch. You got two hours on. 973 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 2: Two four hours of the pre pregame show and then 974 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 2: of course our regular hit then on the regular pregame 975 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 2: show as well. But Matt, that's going to do it 976 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 2: for our number two hit. We've done one more hour 977 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 2: to go here in our final show at Saint Vincent College. 978 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lowlly. You're listening 979 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 2: to the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine 980 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,359 Speaker 2: to seventy. We'll be back with our three right after 981 00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 2: this