1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Ori and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: and opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast ay Out, 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: employees of premier networks, or their sponsors and associates. You 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: are encouraged to do the proper amount of research yourself, 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: depending on the subject matter and your needs. You are 13 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me, Heidi Hollis on 14 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast ay Am 15 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome to my show. Remember each week, 16 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: this is the place you go to when you want 17 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: to hear the latest and what's happening out there in 18 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: the world. What are the personal experiences, how can we 19 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: relate to them, what can we gleam from what's being shared? 20 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: And just go from there, because how else are we 21 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: going to know unless we start opening up and spilling 22 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: our guts on this. And I'm talking about getting down 23 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: to the nitty gritty of it and telling all the details, 24 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: getting to the good, the bad, the ugly, and just sharing. 25 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: So go to my main website, which is Heidi Hollis 26 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: dot com or shadow Folks dot com and tell me, 27 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: tell me from the angelic, tell me from the the monic. 28 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: We have to do this. Now. I'm going to get 29 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: to my first email. But before I do that, you 30 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: guys are in for a treat. In the next segments, 31 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: we are going to be speaking to Pete Whitley, who 32 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: is the National director for move On of Japan and 33 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: a member of the move On Experiencer Resource Team. It's 34 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: going to be a fabulous conversation and I can't wait 35 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: for you guys to hear what we covered because wow, 36 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: just wow. Now I want to get to an email 37 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: that was sent to me, because this is what it's 38 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: all about. This email is a nice, juicy one. Oh yeah, Okay, 39 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: So I don't read these ahead of time. Usually I'll 40 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: glance through maybe sometimes, but I really don't read in depth. 41 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: And uh, I like to be just as surprised as 42 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: you are. All right, So this one starts off, well, Hello, 43 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: I recently watched the Ancient Aliens episode with you and 44 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: was so grateful to hear that there are others out 45 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: there and you as a resource. That's kind of you. 46 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: This phenomenon has been happening to me throughout my lifetime 47 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: since my memory began. Wow, that's amazing. I have searched 48 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: for answers everywhere and pursued my formal education into the mind, 49 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: becoming a psychologist. Wow. Okay, psychology told me it was 50 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: quote sleep paralysis. I've had those conversations. I think that's 51 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: a way to sidestep what's really going on. But okay, 52 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: I got you, all right, sleep paralysis and that the 53 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: brain emits chemicals at night to keep us in bed 54 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: so that we don't act out our nightmares. Yes, which 55 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: makes perfect sense to me. She says. For most of 56 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: my adult life, I figured that sometimes I just happened 57 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: to become aware in the middle of having dreams, experiencing 58 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: hypnagogic hallucinations. That's that's that's what gets set out there. 59 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: Just We've covered that here on the show so many 60 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: times because it doesn't explain everything all right. Continuing, however, 61 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: it has also happened to me while I've been awake. 62 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: If it is all just hallucinations, then it must mean 63 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: that I have some level of psychosis. I'm sure you don't, 64 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: which is possible because my father has psychosis. But I 65 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: have never been completely convinced that a lack of my 66 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: own sanity is the whole explanation. Amen to that, After 67 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: working in an involuntary detainment mental health unit with various 68 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: psychotic people, I noticed that many people during episodes seem 69 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: to be in some kind of space in between the 70 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: spiritual and physical planes. That might be a reality not 71 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: fully understood. Still, I never met anyone who described what 72 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: I experienced. It's starting around the age of three when 73 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: I first remember the sleep paralysis happened almost every night. 74 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: Oh no, I could clearly see hovering over me a 75 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: Native American chief with war paint and feathered head dress 76 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: goose bumps. His face was so huge and closer to 77 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: me than one can get in physical reality while still 78 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: being able to focus on their feathers. It terrified me. 79 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: There was always this uncomfortable feeling sound and buzzing vibration 80 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: that rang through the whole nervous system. In later years, 81 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: I thought that he was perhaps a ghost who was 82 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: unhappy that we were there. Now, I wonder if possibly 83 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: something else was there and he was maybe trying to 84 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: protect me. That's my first thought, to be honest. I 85 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: had ongoing nightmares and extremely vivid dreams as I grew up, 86 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: but the sleep paralysis happened less after I moved from 87 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,679 Speaker 1: that home when I was around age ten. The next 88 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: time that sticks out in my heat is when I 89 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: was a j teen in the Navy, sleeping in the 90 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: barracks on the base in Illinois. I tend to think 91 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: there is a lot of negative energy on military installations. Okay, 92 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: it seemed like this entity wanted to scare me. It 93 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: was some kind of shape shifter taking the form of 94 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: the skeleton like demon gargoyle entity, and the buzzing vibration 95 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: was really intense. I had a roommate at the time, 96 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: and it took me a little while to come out 97 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: of the paralysis to scream out for help from her. 98 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: Even after I was moving talking in awake, I could 99 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: still feel the buzzing and felt it was still there 100 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: for maybe up to an hour. I don't remember ever 101 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: seeing anything with glowing eyes or a hat. Thank god. 102 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: I got out of the Navy shortly after that, moved 103 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: back home with my family, and became pregnant. Shortly after that, 104 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: the pregnancy seemed to trigger an increase in activity. It 105 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: started happening almost every night again. Oh no, but I 106 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: developed carpal tunnel from pregnancy swelling and thought that my 107 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: sleep cycles were disrupted, causing it to return. I would 108 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: frequently feel the paralysis and buzzing, with the sense that 109 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: there were people standing at the foot of my bed, 110 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: but I couldn't see them. I thought that maybe I 111 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: was too afraid to look, or that my third eye 112 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: wasn't open enough to perceive them. Then, after my daughter 113 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: was born, there started to be some paranormal activity, and 114 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: I began seeing tiny lightning images at times, especially around 115 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: my baby girl, and even caught some on camera. Also, 116 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: one day, upon awakening, I remembered the graphic and violent 117 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: death scene of a past life that explained and connected 118 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: some reasons for my choices. Oh wow. I moved to 119 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: a different state and lived in an apartment building where 120 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: it continued to happen, but slightly less. Then we moved 121 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: to a brand new house, and it's subsided for the 122 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: most part. I believe the activity is connected to energy 123 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: at certain locations. Oh that is for certain. For certain. 124 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: I tell people that if you move and it ends, yeah, 125 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: it's not connected to you. But sometimes it still just 126 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: follows you to an extent. But it could be lesser 127 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: if the place that you moved to is less convenient 128 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: for them, where you have more positive energy and good 129 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: memories and good things going and flowing. Alright, so she continues. Later, 130 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: I felt a very strong entity while very awake on 131 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: a drive through a park alleged to be haunted. I 132 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: made the comment I don't think there are any ghosts here, 133 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, And that very moment I felt a buzz 134 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: vibration so strong that I thought that I might have 135 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: been actually electrically shocked by my car. It still happens 136 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: in my sleep, but far less often in my new house, 137 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: and the last time I experienced it was on a 138 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: silent meditation retreat. Within the last year. However, after doing 139 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: research in two aliens and metaphysics and exorcisms and spiritual practices, 140 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: I became aware and remembered an instruction to visualize surrounding 141 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: yourself with blue light, if ever being abducted by an alien. 142 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: It worked to free me of the paralysis much quicker 143 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: than previously. I never heard of the blue light. I've 144 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: heard of white light, so that's that's new to me. Um. 145 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: I thought the alternate explanation to me having psychosis was 146 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: ghost or spirit activity. After watching the Ancient Aliens show, 147 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: I am wondering if this could be aliens trying to 148 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: make contact different kinds for different reasons. Most of the time, 149 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: I think it could be a combination of all of 150 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: the above. I keep feeling like I am being guided 151 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: to do ayahuasca retreat and have one scheduled in April. 152 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: That's cool. I am hoping it brings me healing and answers. 153 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: I wonder if you have any advice or guidance for 154 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: me regarding self protection or healing, or communicating, or anything 155 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: that might come to mind. I truly appreciate your courage 156 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: and strength to share your experiences. I tend to feel 157 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: crazy when I talk about this with anyone, but now 158 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: I feel a little less alone. Thank you and warm regards, Betsy. Wow, 159 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: thank you, Betsy. That was really really well thought out, 160 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: and I really appreciate the kind words too, because it's 161 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: hard road. Has been a hard road, and even uh, 162 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: you know, having presented that topic to ancient aliens about 163 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: shadow people, after having named, defined, and even trademarked these things. Um, 164 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: trying to set the record straight on the phenomenon as 165 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: a single lady has not been easy. So and it's 166 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: I feel really humbled to be able to be in 167 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: the position that I am to shed some light even 168 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: further on these topics. And uh, you know, good on 169 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: you being a psychologist and having such an open mind 170 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: about what it is that people experience because you trust yourself, 171 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: you trust what it is that you've experienced, and the 172 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: same for myself. And you know, psychosis shared psychosis. To 173 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: have a man in a hat, you know, or glowing 174 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: red eyes on a shadowy shape shifting figure, it doesn't 175 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: fit with anything. I mean, that's just not happening. And 176 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: I have people writing me rather weakly to say I 177 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: thought it was the only one experiencing this, so um, 178 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: it's not something that they're seeing prior and knowing that 179 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: others are experiencing this. And as far as protecting yourself, 180 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: this is something that I've spoken about here on this 181 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: program several times, and I do have it in my 182 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: Facebook group called a Shadow People and hat Man Experiencers. 183 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: And what it is. It's a method of walking through 184 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: your home blessing every corner using spring water or holy water, 185 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: using a necklace as a cross or you know, your 186 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: belief system is very important and having no doubts that 187 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: walking through and getting every corner and clearing it out 188 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,359 Speaker 1: and placing your your faith and your your your conviction 189 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: out there to these things to say I'm not taking 190 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: this anymore, I'm done, get out, You're not welcome. In fact, 191 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: I'll send you the blessing. I see your email address 192 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: here and the method on how to do that so 193 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: I don't bore everybody, and going over with that in 194 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: detail again. But I really want to thank you for 195 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: taking the time to write me and having the background 196 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: that you do. You know, I swear it's coming together 197 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: with people like you that will really make the difference. 198 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: All Right, You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with 199 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast 200 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: to Coast a m para normal podcast network. We'll be 201 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: right back, Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes 202 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: Light with Me. Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 203 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast am para normal podcast network. As promised, 204 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: I have a fabulous guest Originally from the US, Pete 205 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: Whitley is the National director for move On of Japan 206 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: and a member of the move On Experiencer resource team. 207 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: Of former counselor with degrees in psychology and biology, he 208 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: is also an experiencer himself. His primary focus is on 209 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: reports of interaction with non human intelligence. More recently, he 210 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: has been exploring the use of astro projection to gain 211 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: insight into the activities and motivations of our visitors. So 212 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome Pete Whitley to the show. Pete, 213 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: how are you doing. I'm doing great, Heidie, thank you 214 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: very much for having me. It is an absolute pleasure. 215 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: So you are national director from Moufon over there in Japan, 216 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: So tell us a bit about how that happened. I 217 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: mean that's quite a feat. Yeah. Well, you know what 218 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: happened was I failed out a survey for mouf On 219 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: and the surveying was for experiencers and basically that means 220 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: people abductees or contact these The director of the experience 221 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: or resourced team which I am now part of, got 222 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: back to me and told me, yeah, um, what you're 223 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: telling us sounds very similar to what we hear. He 224 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: gave me just some information and so on and so forth. 225 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: That started a conversation between him and I, and then 226 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: he told me, he said, you know you're in Japan. 227 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: We could use someone over there, UM that has experience 228 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: with this stuff. And so I joined Moufon UM. About 229 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: a year later, I became the national director and then 230 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: as my personal main interest in this phenomenon is with 231 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:46,479 Speaker 1: the abductee contact the phenomenon, I eventually joined that experience 232 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: resource team. It's fabulous. You know. Back in the day 233 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: when I first ran a UFO paranormal discussion group, Moufon 234 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: wanted to make my group a chapter, but it was 235 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: a more technically centered Back then, moved On was versus 236 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: the experience or conversation. That was my experience, though not everybody's. 237 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: And how has UH move on evolved do you feel, 238 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: um historically to today? Like what what are the focuses 239 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: that they ending now? You know, we still do have 240 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: that nuts and both side of move on with the 241 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: field investigators where they go out and you know, they 242 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: try to measure, you know, how fast an object was 243 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: going and so on and so forth. That's still a 244 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: part of move On, but we do have, like I mentioned, 245 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: this experience or resource team, so we also have the 246 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: other side where now they have really opened up and 247 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: they're not just looking at you know, what did the 248 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: object look like, how fast was it going? Where was 249 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: it going? Now we're also looking into the contact the phenomenon, 250 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, people that have had experience, you know, one 251 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: on one with these non human intelligences. Yeah, I think 252 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: that's it's absolutely necessary to marry the two. And uh, 253 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: it was so much a focus for myself to get 254 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: the voices of victims and experiencers heard, and I the 255 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: nuts and bolts to bring that to society, to say, 256 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: look at the remnants of what was left here or 257 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: the witnesses. Absolutely necessary and I'm excited to see more 258 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: of this comfort in move on with that, and I 259 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: know it's been they've been definitely doing it for years. 260 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: Of course, I love Kathleen Martin. She does so much 261 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: and it's really, oh my goodness, there's so much that's 262 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: moving and shaking and it's great to see. So for 263 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: yourself let's get down to some of these experiences. So 264 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: when did this start, Like, when did you know that 265 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: you were experiencing something out of the ordinary. The first 266 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: conscious memory I have of something happening was when I 267 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: was seventeen years old and I was born in Washington State. Um, 268 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: I was going to bed one night and a blue 269 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: light shone into my bedroom triangulated at my bed where 270 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: I was laying down to go to sleep, and through 271 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: this blue light to what I now know to be 272 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: as grays appeared. They just popped there in the blue light. 273 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: And the funny thing is, now, of course I was terrified, 274 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: but I could tell they were surprised, which was up 275 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: and there really kind of still triops me out to 276 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: this day. So as you can imagine, you're laying in bed, 277 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: a light shines through your window and two aliens show up. Yeah, yeah, okay, 278 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: yeah absolutely, So I attempt to jump out of bed, 279 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: and what happened was, and this sounds crazy, but I 280 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: jump about halfway up and I'm frozen. So if you 281 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: can imagine, yeah, frozen, not ice frozen, but my body 282 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: is frozen. If you can imagine half of my body 283 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: off the bed, the other half touching the bed, I 284 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: was frozen like that, oh okay. And they proceeded to 285 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: take me through the closed bedroom window out into our backyard. 286 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: And that is where my conscious memory of that event stops. 287 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: That was the first time my life anything like that 288 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: had consciously happened to me, and I knew it was 289 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 1: real the very next day, of course, it was the 290 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: first thing I got up in the morning. I ran 291 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: upstairs and told my mother, you won't believe what happened 292 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: last night. I don't know, Pete, it was a dream. 293 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: It was a dream. It wasn't a dream, I swear 294 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: that the first time. Maybe they thought you'd listen too 295 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: much coast to coast A um, huh, absolutely, My father 296 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: and I used to listen all the time. Absolutely, Yeah, 297 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: they thought you just tuned in a little too much. 298 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: But that's interesting, So was there? Of course, there's fear 299 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: with it what was going on? But where did your 300 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: curiosity lead after that? How did you aim? Define answers? 301 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: So I had one work spire riants in those days. 302 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: It was about six months later at that point I 303 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: turned eighteen. Um this time I awoke on what I 304 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: assumed to be a craft are ufo with you will. 305 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: I awoke. Um, I was lying down, my head was 306 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: slightly elevated. To the right of me was what we 307 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: would call a tall gray and again I could tell 308 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: that this entity was surprised I was awake. He had 309 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: a long metal rod, and he told me telepathically, I'm 310 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: gonna put this in your ear, and it's not going 311 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: to hurt. So there's not much you can do in 312 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: a situation like that except just trust him, right, yeah, 313 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: And I, of course I couldn't move, you know, at 314 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: the time, and he put it in my ear. Um. 315 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: It appeared to be much longer than the depth of 316 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: my head, but that metal rod went all the way 317 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: into my ear. He was right. It did not hurt. 318 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: It did not hurt. UM. When he was done with that, 319 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: he said, okay, it's telepathically again something to the effect of, Okay, 320 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna go to sleep. You won't remember this. I 321 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: remembered it first thing. The next morning. I woke up 322 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: and I went into the bathroom, which was next to 323 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: my bedroom. And you're not supposed to stick anything smaller 324 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: than your elbow in your ear, but I stuck my 325 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: finger in there a little bit, just swiped around and 326 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: sure enough, there is a little bit of dried blood 327 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: in there. And it doesn't make a lot of sense 328 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: when you think, no, when you think about, Okay, you've 329 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: got this crazy advanced beings and they're doing some procedure, 330 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: why would there be blood? But now that I've research 331 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: of phenomenon for so many years, I realized that there 332 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: are a lot of physical effects like that. Yeah, and 333 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: did you find out why this, why this natal thing 334 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: gets put in people's ear? What is the cause of 335 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: that or the reason for it? Um? There are a 336 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: lot of theories. The most common one is that they're 337 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: implanting humans with some sort of device to what effect. 338 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: You know, there's lots of theories as im up as 339 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: to that as well. Yeah. Yeah, so that didn't actually 340 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: spark my interest, if you can believe it. Okay, where'd 341 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: you go from there? So of course I knew these 342 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: events happened, and you know, if the topic of UFOs 343 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: or aliens would come up, I would always just mentioned, 344 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, completely honestly, oh yeah, I was taken twice 345 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: and people would laugh, where a few people would take 346 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: it seriously. Um, I didn't mind, though, you know, It's 347 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: just something that to me just happened, um, And it 348 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: wasn't until I moved to Japan. I just found about 349 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: fourteen years ago I was tearing Japan. I saw a 350 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: children's art and exhibition. There was a poster that a 351 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: child had drawn or painted on. That poster was a 352 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: UFO and inside the UFO was a little alien head. 353 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: So this is many years after the fact, but looking 354 00:24:54,359 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: at that poster sparked something inside of me where I thought, 355 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: you know what, those events were really strange. Now, this 356 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: sounds so silly, right, like to not realize how strange 357 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: that was, right, But it was just kind of dormant 358 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: in me until I saw this bolster and I was 359 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: I was so naive at the time. I thought, you 360 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna see if there's any books about UFOs. 361 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: Wow'll make me stop you right there, because we're gonna 362 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: get to our next break. You are listening to Dark 363 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart 364 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We'll 365 00:25:44,040 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark 366 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart 367 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast A am Paranormal podcast network. 368 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: I have Pete Whitley here who is sharing about his 369 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: conscious memories of alien contact and how it led him 370 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: to become one of the directors of move On Experience, 371 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: a resource team for Japan. Now, so you have this 372 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: this epiphany suddenly when you see this child drawing of 373 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: a UFO and you're like, you know, that was really weird. 374 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: I really do need to look into this topic. You know, 375 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: we all come to these conclusions like why we need 376 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: to look further? And hey, kids drawing whatever, it is 377 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: a memory coming forward, and you went to a bookstore 378 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: to go and read up on it. So what happened then? 379 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: So what happened was not only did I realize, oh yeah, 380 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: there's about a thousand books on UFO. I realized there 381 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: were actually books about quote alien abductions. So I picked 382 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: up a book on alien abductions. See, you know, I 383 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: knew what happened, but I wanted to see what people 384 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: were saying. And what shocked me was the things they 385 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: described in that book were precisely the things that had 386 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: happened to me. People reported blue lights, people reported long 387 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: metal things being inserted into their ears or their nose 388 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: like that and that that was another epiphany. You know, 389 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: I always knew it was real, but that to me 390 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: just said, Wow, this is a phenomenon that is happening 391 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: to people all over the world and we all share 392 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: some similarities in it. I just dove head first right 393 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: into it. The research after that constantly all I would 394 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: read his books about UFOs, alien contact, abduction, contactees, et cetera, 395 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: et cetera. Fast forward two When my son was born, 396 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 1: this is about he was he's eight now, he was 397 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: just about one year old. We returned back to America, 398 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: Washington State, UM for a Christmas visit. One night, I 399 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: awoke on board another UFO sitting across from me was 400 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: my infant son. Oh no, would be the first thing 401 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: you would think. Indeed, However, he has the biggest smile 402 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: on his face. He's grinning ear to ear and yeah, 403 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: and he's eye level to me, and he's sitting And 404 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: there's no other way I can describe this, but he's 405 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: sitting in what looks to me to be an alien 406 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: high chair for babies. It's this weird molded white chair 407 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: that puts him eye to eye with me. Now in 408 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: between us, is this sphere or a globe about the 409 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: size of a basketball. Inside this sphere is some sort 410 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: of purple liquid or gas swirling around. It looked a 411 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: lot like you know when you see those fast forward 412 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: images of the sun, how the fires all dancing around. Yeah, 413 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: it looked like that, except those purple Now to the 414 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: ryot of me and the left of my son is 415 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: another tall grain. And now those first two instances we're terrifying. 416 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: This time though, it was just confusing. Now I'm not 417 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: sure if I was not scared because I had been 418 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: so immersed in the study of UFOs, or if there's 419 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: something else to him. Maybe having my son there, he's 420 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: made it a little bit easier. Yeah, So this tall 421 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: gray says to me telepathically, if you agree to this, 422 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:49,479 Speaker 1: you and he meaning my son, will understand each other's soul. 423 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: And I had no idea what that means. I still 424 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: have no idea what that means. So I am just 425 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: sitting there in utter confusion. Right, Apparently that was enough 426 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: to agree to it. This gray alien does something to 427 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: the sphere. Now, as if this story isn't weird enough already, 428 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: he does something to the sphere, but he doesn't physically move, 429 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: and I can't explain how I know he did something 430 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: to this sphere, but I just intuitively know he does 431 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: something to this thing. As soon as he does that, 432 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: my son and I shoot down from Earth orbit, through 433 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: the atmosphere, through the cloud cover, through the roof of 434 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: my parents home. This happens in a split second, hiding 435 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: wow second. But it's like one of those moments where 436 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: it's all in slow motion, right, something so crazy, you're 437 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: so shocking, it's happening, happening, you see it all now. Yeah, 438 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: we arrived back in my parents house, and this is 439 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: what cemented in my mind that it was real, although 440 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: I already felt it was real when we arrived back. 441 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: My infant son is sitting on my lap. Now I'm 442 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: laying down in bed. My son is sitting on my lap. 443 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: He still has that huge grin on his face. And 444 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: so I picked him up, I put him in bed, 445 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: and I go back to sleep. Huh. That was the 446 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: third conscious contact at that head. And so now I've 447 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: been in a lot of meetings with a lot of 448 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: people who have experienced such things, and and they've been 449 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: really more terrified to see that their child was also 450 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: being involved in the abduction and experience. But you felt comforted. 451 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: That's very interesting. It's it's not something that I personally 452 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: have heard a lot on I've heard of people wanting to, 453 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, peel their their hands off from their kids, 454 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: you know, but I guess your child was was at ease. 455 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: So um, you know, have you thought of why this 456 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: might have been? I mean you you you have studied 457 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: alien abduction phenomenas, and what's the paterent that you've seen 458 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: when people see that their child is also on board? Well, 459 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: for one, it's pretty rare for a parent and their 460 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: child to be um duly abducted or taken, if you will, 461 00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: But it does happen, um, like you said, to people 462 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: are terrified. However, what we do know about the phenomenon 463 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: is that it tends to run in families, so for 464 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: it right, So for example, if a father or a 465 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: mother has contact, typically one of their children will right. 466 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: And so to me, what it felt like was sort 467 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: of a passing of the torch, if you will, perhaps 468 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: just maybe intuitively, I felt that, um, And it didn't 469 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: scare me though, because, like I said, he was just 470 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: so happy to be there, you know, if he had 471 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,959 Speaker 1: been crying or something like that, absolutely, I probably would 472 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: have been you know, you know, helplessly, you know, saying 473 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: get your hands off my child. He was just so 474 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: happy and so yeah, it put me at ease. I 475 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: got you. Yeah, I've I've spoke more to people who 476 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: have witnessed their child being taken while they're paralyzed at bed, 477 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: or their arms opened up for the child to be 478 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 1: taken from their arms, you know that type of situation. Uh, 479 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: and just anger, just so much anger. Absolutely So what 480 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: do you feel is the reasoning behind it? I mean, 481 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: your your personal perspective for your experiences. What why do 482 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: you think they've come to you? I'm sure you aim 483 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: to get hypnotically regressed to get more understanding. Yes, yeah, 484 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: in fact I have been hypnotically regressed. In fact, I 485 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: went to our regressive hypno therapist to explore these events. 486 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: We started with the event when I was seventeen with 487 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: the blue light, when the two small aliens came into 488 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: my room. Now for two and a half hours, Bless 489 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: his soul, this gentle hypno therapist tried over and over 490 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: again to get me to explore what had happened. Now, 491 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: if if the listeners have never undergone regressive no therapy, 492 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: it's absolutely incredible. You remember things about the place you were. 493 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: The details are astounding, things you would never in a 494 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: million years consciously remember. Right. But over the course of 495 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: these two and a half hours, every time he brought 496 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: me back to the point where these aliens came into 497 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: my bedroom, I just broke down, sobbing like a baby. 498 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: Right it was. I was reliving it. I was terrified again. 499 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: And like I said, he tried his hardest, but at 500 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: the end of two and a half hours, he said, yeah, 501 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: I don't think this is gonna help. You know, I 502 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,479 Speaker 1: agree with ye. I'm curious too. We've got a short 503 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 1: time before you got to get to break. But I'm 504 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 1: curious when it comes to people experiencing such things, there 505 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: is such utter terror. But I sat through so many 506 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: years of people being terrified and terrorized to suddenly being like, well, 507 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: I'm obviously special. I was chosen to almost like adoring 508 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: what's happening to them. I'm curious what you think is 509 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: going on with that? And uh, you know, if we 510 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: got to go into the next segment to talk further, 511 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: I am all about it. So what do you think 512 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: that's about? Sure? You know, I can just say personally 513 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: in my case, even after that first event when I 514 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: was seventeen years old, then even the next day, intuitively 515 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: I felt it was to my benefit. It makes no sense, right, 516 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: that makes no sense, But I felt intuitively to it 517 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: was to my benefit. And I think that's what happens 518 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: to a lot of experience. Let's continue that conversation after 519 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: the break. You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes 520 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 521 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, 522 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to 523 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I 524 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 525 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 1: I have Pete Whitley. We are talking about really an 526 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: interesting aspect when it comes to those who have had 527 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: experiences abduction encounters, horrible abduction encounters that have terrorized and 528 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,919 Speaker 1: terrified people so much, and then it changes for them 529 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: on the inside. It seems more than the outside than 530 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: what's happening in their experiences. Suddenly it's not so bad, 531 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: they are not as terrified, and they feel somehow this 532 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: is a good thing that's happened to them. And Pete, 533 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: my question to you is do you think the beings 534 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: are having you change your mind? Are they intuitively connecting 535 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: with you to be like it's okay, it's gonna be 536 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: all right. I mean, what do you think this phenomena 537 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: is where it switches like that and people let their 538 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: guard down to what's occurring. That's a great question. Now, 539 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,919 Speaker 1: I think there we cannot rule out the possibility that 540 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: there is some form of influence, if you will, where 541 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: these entities might be convincing us that it's to our benefit. 542 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: But like we were talking about, a lot of people 543 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: come to that feeling later on. Okay, So I do 544 00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: feel that ultimately it seems like they're benevolent. I think 545 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: more and more now to the trends we are seeing 546 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: is that people are feeling that they're more of spiritual 547 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: experiences than simply being taken up and probed like perhaps 548 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,800 Speaker 1: people felt, um, say, you know, twenty thirty years ago. 549 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 1: Seems to be the trend from what I see. That's 550 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,399 Speaker 1: what's confusing. And I've heard Stockholm syndrome be put out 551 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: there as a possible response to why it's happening though too, 552 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: and it's it was utterly confusing to watch. I I 553 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: sat in these these meetings with people who slept with 554 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 1: guns under their pillows, waiting for those things to come again. 555 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: And then slowly over the years, you know, I am 556 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: special or where they would they would have a a 557 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: session where they were regressed and and they're like, you know, 558 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: I kind of remember agreeing to have this contact, and 559 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: and others were like, oh, I'm now being languages, and 560 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: oh now I'm being taught to calm the next person 561 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: they abduct. But then they go to be regressed to 562 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: those those times they've had their experiences and they're they're 563 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: terrified and horrified. It is really a really strange phenomenon. 564 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,479 Speaker 1: But also, I don't know if you know this part 565 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: of the research that I've done, when it comes to 566 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: something called the shadow people phenomenon, that and hat Man, 567 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: they're sometimes seen right alongside of abducting beings and um 568 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: or they have interchanging type of experiences between them. It 569 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: was something that happened to myself and how I came 570 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: to understand what was happening with shadow people and alien abductions. 571 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: But so it's hard to categorize, uh, you know, and 572 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm not going to try to have people believe one 573 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: thing over another because everybody's an individual. You interpret it 574 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 1: for yourself and nobody should cram anything down your throat 575 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: about what you should believe. UM, but it is uh, 576 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: there seems to be a con looked an alien contact. UM. 577 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 1: Some good some bad beings out there that maybe not 578 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,919 Speaker 1: having the best interest for you. So what's your what's 579 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 1: your understanding about what is going on with all of this? 580 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you're you can only speak from your experience, 581 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 1: but you are truly a researcher. So what's the grander 582 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: picture that you're you're gathering over all of this. Well, 583 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, you make a great point, idee, there's a dichotomy, 584 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: and I see this as a part of the experience 585 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: or resource team. You know, we will get people that 586 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: are just absolutely terrified and all they wanted to do 587 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: is stop, and they've had it happen for years and 588 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: years and years. But then, like we were talking about before, 589 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,240 Speaker 1: we'll have other people that feel like it's a spiritual experience. 590 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: That's the aspect of the phenomenon that I think, honestly, 591 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if we're going to get answers to 592 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: during our time year on Earth I think you know 593 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: let me. Straber said something in a recent documentary that 594 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: just really resonated with me. He said, we need to 595 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: hold on to the question, and the implication being that 596 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: if we start to feel or think that we know 597 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: the answers, we're probably on the wrong track. That that 598 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: is a really good thing, because I always say, nobody 599 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: has the answers and if they claim they do, run. 600 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 1: So that's how I feel too, absolutely fast as you can. Uh, 601 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: this is my whole thing. It's like, Uh, if I 602 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 1: want to go to church, I go during the daytime generally, 603 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: and uh, I'm conscious about my spiritual experiences. You know 604 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So why come to us when, oh, 605 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:57,479 Speaker 1: let's paralyze you and make you make you terrified beyond words. Um, 606 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: and then we're going to really give you a great time. No, 607 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: let me give me a call, text me. We're very 608 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: social online, you know, they're technically advanced, and say hey, 609 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: I'll meet you here. Let's have a conversation. But no, 610 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: let's talk this in the back of your memory. You 611 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 1: won't remember this. We're going to influence you in the 612 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 1: way that we want to. You know, that's not fair. 613 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 1: So there's got to be a better way, you would think, 614 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: you would think, So this is why I'm like, you know, 615 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: people hide who they are for a reason, so they 616 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: could trick you. And why wouldn't these beings do the 617 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 1: same as I mean, isn't that logical to think? I 618 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: don't think it's a positive thing for myself when I 619 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: look at it like this. So how do you feel 620 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: about that? Um? You know, I think I do. I 621 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: do agree with that. It seems like there has to 622 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 1: be a better way. It seems like it would be 623 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: much more logical for them to just yeah, meet us 624 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,399 Speaker 1: on our own terms. But I think when we when 625 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: we begin to CONSI that are this phenomenon, we have 626 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: to step back a bit and not think about it 627 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: from an anthropomorphic standpoint. There may be reasons they have 628 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: to interact with us like this there Maybe you know, 629 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: it may be a multidimensional thing. There's a myriad of theories, right, 630 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 1: But I don't want to paint the picture that I'm 631 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: necessarily believe this is entirely a benevolent phenomenon. We hear 632 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 1: so many accounts of people who are clearly clearly does 633 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: not seem to be to their benefit. So we may 634 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: indeed be dealing with different um, different species of beings, 635 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: are different types of entities. Absolutely, yes, truly, it's uh yeah, 636 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 1: I worry for people. I really do, because it's a 637 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: it's scary. It's really scary to think that something that 638 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: abused your child you are so angry about for years 639 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: and and you know, if I had a friend that 640 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: came over all the time, it's like, hey, Hi, do 641 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,840 Speaker 1: you coming over? I'm an knock you out and a 642 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 1: whisper stuff in your ear and it's gonna be all 643 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: for your benefit, I'd be like, Okay, hold on, I 644 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: don't know if I want you to come over anymore. 645 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 1: And you know I'm done. So you know, it's like 646 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: keeping it real. It's like we're human and we have 647 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: our human understandings and they know this, so um, you know, 648 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: I just I'm hoping that you know, we've we can 649 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: set our boundaries and they'll respect it. If we don't 650 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: want to be part of the program or tagged in 651 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 1: our ear, I don't know. Um. Absolutely absolutely, And you 652 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,240 Speaker 1: being a counselor, you're a counselor for a long time, 653 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 1: and had you ever come across people who had these 654 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: type of experiences did you assist in that way to 655 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 1: help people cope better? Um, only as a part of 656 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,760 Speaker 1: the Experience or Resource team have I come across people. 657 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,760 Speaker 1: But that is a big part of what we do. Now. 658 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,840 Speaker 1: That's not to say everyone on the Experience or Resource 659 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,760 Speaker 1: him as a counselor. We have a wide range of people, 660 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: all sorts of specialties, all walks of life. However, what 661 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:13,319 Speaker 1: we try to do is support them in that and 662 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 1: that's what they come to us for a really, you know, 663 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: and it's not it's not my job. It's not our 664 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,320 Speaker 1: job to tell them, hey, don't worry, these are good guys, 665 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: or hey stop this immediately, these are bad guys. Our 666 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 1: job is really like a counselor, just to hear them out. 667 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of time, all all people want, 668 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 1: it's just to be heard, just for someone to say, 669 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: you know what, you're not alone. This happens to others. 670 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 1: This has happened to so many people all around the world. Right, Yeah, 671 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: it's so very important and the work you do is fabulous. 672 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,840 Speaker 1: How can people get ahold of you and the work 673 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: that you're doing and share their understandings of their experiences. Yes, 674 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 1: you can go to moufon dot com and you can 675 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 1: contact move on. If you have a sighting of an object, 676 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,879 Speaker 1: you can report it there. Additionally, at moufon dot com 677 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,759 Speaker 1: you can find the experience or resourced team and you 678 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: can contact us directly through there. We've got a lot 679 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: of people absolutely that want to help and reach out 680 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 1: to you. Reach out to us, We'll reach back. I 681 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,839 Speaker 1: love it. And where are you located in Japan? Now 682 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: I'm in Nagoya. We're right in the middle of Japan. Wonderful. Well, 683 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 1: you know what, I would love to come for a 684 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: visit sometime and have a tour. It sounds like it's 685 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 1: a beautiful place. I love it. You know, you're always welcome. 686 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I'm like, I'm gonna show up and like, Pete, hey, 687 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: you said that, come on over. I'm just gonna I'm 688 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: gonna sit at your cultural center that you've got over there, 689 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: and I'm just wait to open the door. No, you can. 690 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:59,360 Speaker 1: You can see my son's bunk back. I'll kick him out. Wonderful, wonderful, 691 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: All right, sounds like a deal. All right, Pete Whitley, 692 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for coming on 693 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 1: the program. This is really insightful. Thank you, Heidie, It's 694 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,880 Speaker 1: been a pleasure anytime. It's great talking to you. Wow, 695 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,400 Speaker 1: simply amazing. We have come to the bottom of another 696 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,319 Speaker 1: fantastic show. I hope you guys enjoyed it as much 697 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 1: as I have. And I want to remind you, Uh, 698 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,239 Speaker 1: Pete Whitley dot org is a place that you could 699 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: go to to also reach out to Pete and uh. 700 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 1: Also go to my main website, which is Heidi Hollis 701 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 1: dot com or shadow Folks dot com and tell me 702 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,040 Speaker 1: about what it is that you're experiencing out there. Give 703 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 1: me all the details. I'm telling you. I love these 704 00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,800 Speaker 1: big emails and I think the listeners do as well, 705 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,640 Speaker 1: because we really can appreciate seeing how things proceed in 706 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 1: a person's life down the paranormal lane. You know what 707 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,799 Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you'd like, you could send me an 708 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: email directly at Heidi Hollis at gmail dot com and 709 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,719 Speaker 1: tell me what's on your mind. And if you want 710 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 1: to be a guest on this show, or if there's 711 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: someone you want to send my way, please indicate that 712 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: as well in your correspondence with me. Another reminder to 713 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,319 Speaker 1: check out my social media. You can go to at 714 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:18,200 Speaker 1: one Heidi Hollis for Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, I am there, 715 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,880 Speaker 1: check me out and also go to my YouTube channel. 716 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 1: All right, Oh my goodness that I went fast. I 717 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,319 Speaker 1: wish there was more. All Right, you guys, you have 718 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,320 Speaker 1: been listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, Heidi Hollis 719 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,680 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast i 720 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We will see you next time. 721 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: Stay safe for everybody. Goodbye. Well, if you like this 722 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 1: edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait until you hear the 723 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 1: next one. 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