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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I am Jaye Lolly is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and it is our final day. And find

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Speaker 1: about that final two hours here at the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four NFL Scouting Combine and last night, Matt, we finally

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Speaker 1: got to see dudes on the field.

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Speaker 2: Right doing athletic stuff that we're here in such a

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Speaker 2: weird week like and here it is such an institupation.

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Speaker 2: It was an interesting.

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Speaker 1: Group, right, big guys on the defensive front seven. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: those front seven guys. And I thought some some interesting

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Speaker 1: results there from some of these guys, uh you know.

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Speaker 1: To me, I thought there were some clear winners and

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Speaker 1: maybe not even just some of the guys that everybody

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Speaker 1: was looking at in terms.

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Speaker 2: Of I agree, I thought there's a couple of names

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Speaker 2: that more than held their own that doesn't be getting

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of publicity right now.

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Speaker 1: Like I look at you know, Luke oh a lot

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Speaker 1: about him what he ended up doing, uh you knew.

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Speaker 2: Would be athletic, but he was quite athletic. He really

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Speaker 2: checked that box.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, six four ninety four and then went out and

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Speaker 1: ran a four eight nine forty yard dash. I'm saying

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Speaker 1: one six seven split a thirty two inch vertical and

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Speaker 1: nine to eight on the broad jump.

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Speaker 2: No checks all those boxes. Yeah, exactly what he wanted. Developmental, well,

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Speaker 2: he had some production hit Clemson. So you know, I

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Speaker 2: think he's a second round pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he. I think he helped himself. You know,

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Speaker 1: we were when we would do our mock drafts, We're, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get him in the third round. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's happening anymore, especially the shallow defensive

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Speaker 2: tackle class. You know, development of that size and that

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Speaker 2: kind of you would think his best football's ahead of him. Ye,

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Speaker 2: a guy like him, if he would have tested poorly,

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Speaker 2: really would have hurt himself. Yeah, and he tested, I

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Speaker 2: would say, above expectations. So he kept the momentum going.

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Speaker 2: Let's check those boxes. Exactly what we thought he was

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Speaker 2: on tape. Okay, now I'm very comfortable to take him

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Speaker 2: in round two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Eddrian Cooper had a very solid I mean he's

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Speaker 1: is he the number one?

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Speaker 2: We just said Dan Brugler on he seemed to like

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Speaker 2: Golson better. I know, Yeah, I've heard a couple of

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Speaker 2: people like Cooper noticeably better. The conversation with Greg Cosell.

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Speaker 2: He was glowing about Cooper. But I do think there's

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Speaker 2: a conversation there. We were talking about an hour or

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Speaker 2: so ago about the linebacker group. I think what I

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Speaker 2: know now, Cooper and Golson are the only ones I

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Speaker 2: would consider in the second round. I wouldn't take any

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Speaker 2: of twenty. But then if you don't get one of

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Speaker 2: those two, I mean, the third, fourth neighborhood looks fine,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know that they're the answer, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. Yeah, so sort of a sticky position

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if you start looking at some of

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Speaker 1: the results are and again there's some good results too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I got to do more homework

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Speaker 1: now on Jordan McGee, for example, from Temple gave runs

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Speaker 1: of four or five five. Again, he wasn't necessarily he's

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Speaker 1: not the highest rate of guy. Okay, the speed catches

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Speaker 1: a little bit more and and dig in a little

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Speaker 1: bit more with that guy. But they're you know, if

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Speaker 1: you look at this linebacker like Cedric Gray ran a

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Speaker 1: four to six four which fit you know, pales in

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Speaker 1: comparison to the four fives that some of the other

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Speaker 2: Up he was a little bigger than I thought.

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Speaker 3: That four six four is perfectly yeah, doesn't mean slow,

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Speaker 3: perfectly funny right right in this day and age with

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Speaker 3: you know some linebackers running sub four or five, I

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Speaker 3: mean ten years ago, if you ran a four six four,

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Speaker 3: you'd be the talk of the town.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's not slow, Yeah, he is. To

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Speaker 1: your point, you checked in at six one and a

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Speaker 1: half two hundred and thirty four pounds, like I.

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Speaker 2: Think he'd be closer to six foot to twenty eight

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Speaker 2: carried a little more weight.

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Speaker 1: And again he probably he probably slimmed down a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I would assume since he ran.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's probably you know, more comfortable to thirty eight

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Speaker 1: something like that to you know, to forty ish.

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Speaker 2: No, So he's intriguing. I mean I think he's round

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think the uh, the Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to pick from mid rounds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're mid round guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It kind of that's why I was saying it

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Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of the centers, you know, Like

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Speaker 2: Dane just said it real well, He's like, I really

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Speaker 2: think there's three centers in this draft that could be

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Speaker 2: well above average starters. And then we'll see this this draft.

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Speaker 2: I look at two linebackers and say, wow, you'd love

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Speaker 2: to have those guys, you know, like that's a great addition.

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Speaker 2: But the other ones are intriguing. I mean there's a

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Speaker 2: gap though. I mean, but they're third fourth round neighbors.

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Speaker 2: But there's a lot more names there than the center

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Speaker 2: position that you'd be comfortable taking outside the top tier guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, looking here at the defensive line stuff, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of unfair that they consider all that. They lump all

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Speaker 1: these defensive end guys.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the ends versus linebackers.

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Speaker 1: You know, so you're you're having a guy like Robinson

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Speaker 1: looks terrible on these lists, like Darius Robinson. Oh he

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Speaker 1: had the worst, he had the worst forty time of

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Speaker 2: But if he works out of the defensive tackles, it's like, boy,

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Speaker 2: he's both athletic. Guy here he did the exact same thing.

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Speaker 2: I thought the same thing. I was like a scroll

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Speaker 2: in last night, and I'm like he's all at the bottom,

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Speaker 2: Like that's not fair to hit the same thing with

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Speaker 2: Brandon Dorius, Like yeah, yeah, I mean they're sixty pounds

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Speaker 2: heavier than some of the other guy players.

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Speaker 1: Like where are they running against these two hundred and

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Speaker 2: You got to put him somewhere. And then the other

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Speaker 2: one that no one's talking about having a great combine

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Speaker 2: because I think they have him listed as linebacker is

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Speaker 2: Turner from Alabama. He's really an edge, but compared to

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Speaker 2: the two hundred and twenty pound linebackers, he's not at

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Speaker 2: the top of the list, So nobody's talking about right,

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Speaker 2: but if he ran with the edge dudes, he'd be

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Speaker 2: at the top of the list. Did everybody be talking

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Speaker 2: about him? Like? So those I mean, of course, the

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Speaker 2: do and put them in the troops that they're at.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're all going to build their own boards

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Speaker 2: for their specific defense. But some guys to me that

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Speaker 2: had really good weeks were like Verse and Turner, and

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Speaker 2: that doesn't really apply to the Steelers. But just because

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Speaker 2: you're not Chop Robinson, no one's talking about Verse, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean and because Turner wasn't with the edges, no

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Speaker 2: one's talking about him, which makes no sense. And Robinson

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Speaker 2: the other one is Robinson from Missouri.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was phenomenal. It just not compared to two

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty pounds defensive ends. Yeah, I mean you'll

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Speaker 2: take a you know, your defensive end that is.

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Speaker 1: Four, nine to five is perfectly fine for a guy

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Speaker 1: that's two hundred and ninety five pounds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right. I mean if Cam Heyward or Aaron Smith

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Speaker 2: or those guys were sub five, oh, you'd be due court.

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Speaker 1: I think Cam was just over fine buzzy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think too. It was in that neighborhood too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean perfectly fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeaheah. They could really run, Yeah, they could they and

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Speaker 2: they don't want forty yards that often.

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Speaker 1: U you know, and then you look at it, Okay,

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Speaker 1: ten yards split was one seven three the vertical thirty

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Speaker 1: five inches thirty five inches, two hundred and ninety five pounds.

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Speaker 1: That's a big body getting off the ground. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: a nine to three broad jump. He checks all the

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Speaker 1: athletic box. He's just in the wrong category. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: in the wrong category. You know, you got to look

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Speaker 2: Other guys are.

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Speaker 1: Similar sizes, not just the position.

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Speaker 2: And one thing that the combine has an issue with

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Speaker 2: is you want semi equal amount of bodies per grief too,

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Speaker 2: you know, like you don't win one position group to

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Speaker 2: have sixty guys on his twenty. So the guys that

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Speaker 2: are close, we'll put in it, you know, move them over.

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Speaker 1: A friend of mine from back in Washington drove out

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Speaker 1: and was at the He was in the building last

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Speaker 1: night watching the workouts, and he's texting me about different

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Speaker 1: guys as Braden Fisk is really like, oh man, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he had a great day. But the

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Speaker 1: problem is he's got thirty one inch arms. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: he always will you know, he always.

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Speaker 2: Will like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's not going to get better for him.

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Speaker 1: You know, they start hanging him off a ceiling or something.

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Speaker 2: You know, but you got to think he's on the rise. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, he looked athletic on tape, He looked quick

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Speaker 2: on tape. Certainly is a tremendous hustle player and attitude player.

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Speaker 1: My question, and I wish, I wish we would have

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Speaker 1: had this information when Max was here, because We talked

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Speaker 1: a problem. You know, the tackles are going to get

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Speaker 1: into his chest. No question, those guys. Does the athleticism

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Speaker 2: I mean, a geno Atkins Grady Jarrett can get away

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Speaker 2: with shorter arms because they get into so much so

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Speaker 2: quick and there's not as much to get to them,

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Speaker 2: hard to get your hands on him. You're going to

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Speaker 2: four to seven eight, Yeah, and the jumps are all.

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Speaker 1: All the explosives, the explosives, all the athletics was fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Maybe of everyone that worked out yesterday, he's the one

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Speaker 1: that teams are going to have the longest discussion about. Yeah, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we liked them, but we liked him as a third

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Speaker 1: or fourth round type guy. Twenty yards. Shuttle was four

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Speaker 2: Which is phenomenal Forlous, especially somebody that big. Right. I

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Speaker 2: I mean he's gonna be inside pounds. Yeah. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what you do with them. I mean in terms

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Speaker 2: of how do you value him in a weak defensive

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Speaker 2: tackle class, he won't be for everyone, and it wasn't

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Speaker 2: before this. I mean just in terms of type. I mean,

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Speaker 2: like Dicklebow wouldn't have a use for him, you know,

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Speaker 2: and back in the day, but he did everything in

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Speaker 2: his power to make you rethink that, right, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the question teams are asking themselves now,

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Speaker 1: does his athleticism offset the physical limitations to.

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Speaker 2: A back to the Georgia.

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Speaker 1: It's a weird way to say it, because his athleticism

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Speaker 1: is part of his physical.

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Speaker 2: Make of course, but the strengths of his physical profile

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Speaker 2: overtake his weaknesses of his physical profile. Yeah. Yeah, So

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Speaker 2: it's a Senior Bowl week, a great Senior Bowl week,

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Speaker 2: He's good, great day.

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Speaker 1: Season, right right, you know, there's a lot there to like.

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Speaker 1: But you know, does that offset the one negative in

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Speaker 2: I'm really warming up to this. Yeah, and he finished

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Speaker 2: All were fine for me and they don't blow your

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you'll see why he would be a high recruit.

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Speaker 1: You just look at this guy, look like that's that's

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Speaker 2: No, he looks like a basketball player type guy, you know, proble.

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Speaker 2: Ye, that might be six, which is almost like going

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Speaker 2: That's a downfield guy, like you're coming in with parameters,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of the reasons why the Steelers traded

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Speaker 2: That has all the above, you know, the power and

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're going to get to a break. He is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: We are live from the NFL Scouting combine our final

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Speaker 1: two hours here. At some point we're hopeful that Steelers

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Speaker 1: General manager omark On will drop by him. I'm texting

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Speaker 1: people just to find out about this.

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Speaker 2: He's well, work on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll see eight other stuff come up.

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Speaker 2: Oh, youngest, I mean, it's a busy time.

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Speaker 1: It's he's very busy guy when he's out here, because

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Speaker 3: Four and l.

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Speaker 2: Combine live from Danapolis on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale, Lolly. He is.

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Speaker 2: Due.

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Speaker 1: Oh like, look it over there. We're getting ready to

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Speaker 1: get back on the air. And you just got he's

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Speaker 1: a bathroom once in a while. Yeah, drink on the

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Speaker 1: So we're starting to get some measurements now, like my

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Speaker 1: there on the bad knee, Yeah, not look good. Starting

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Speaker 1: to get some measurements now on some of the defensive.

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Speaker 2: That's actually what I was thinking about while I was

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Jackson from Oregon, Oh, let's go six, three and

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Speaker 1: inch handed, wingspan seventy eight inches.

438
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's a condor, is a contour. Yeah,

439
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,359
Speaker 2: he's like basically sixty four wow.

440
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,920
Speaker 1: DJ James out of Auburn, Okay, five eleven and five

441
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 1: eighths one hundred and seventy five pounds.

442
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 2: So he was skinny.

443
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,120
Speaker 1: But that's not too bad, right, I mean I'd seen

444
00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:54,879
Speaker 1: stuff where he was like one hundred and sixty pounds.

445
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, I wonder if he runs My hunches

446
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 2: look good. Here, run at Auburn's prod. We'll see.

447
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 1: We'll see thirty one inch arms eights so tiny hands.

448
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 2: That doesn't I mean, yeah, it affects your ball skills

449
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,479
Speaker 2: and ability to you know, haul in the ball at times,

450
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 2: but it's that you know, you still would get pbu's.

451
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 2: And do we think he's a slot only?

452
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 1: Maybe?

453
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 2: Maybe? Maybe?

454
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? Cam Hart at a Notre Dame huge uh six

455
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: three two o two thirty three inch arms, nine and

456
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,640
Speaker 1: three achents hands and a seventy eight and seven eighths span.

457
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does wider shoulders in some of these tall

458
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 2: skinny guys. Yeah, uh, he's he's giant.

459
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 1: Cooper de Jon Cooper Degene I should say, uh, six

460
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 1: foot and a half basically, so six and four eights,

461
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,880
Speaker 1: two oh three good, thirty one and eighth inch arms,

462
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,640
Speaker 1: nine and five eight hands, seventy four and seventy eight

463
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: and seven eighths wingspan.

464
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 2: He looks apart, I mean, yeah, big guy. And wonder

465
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 2: how much he's been able to work out and stuff too,

466
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 2: you know, over the last couple of months. Maybe his

467
00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,400
Speaker 2: body's even gonna change more once he's back to We'll go. Yeah,

468
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 2: can do a lot.

469
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 1: Tennessee's Camal hadn't. He's kind of a mid round, third

470
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 1: halfth round guy six six uh, basically thirty one inch arms,

471
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: seventy four and an eighth inch the side you're looking for. Yeah,

472
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: he's got the got the size. This is a big one.

473
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 1: Mike Santa Strol Oh, okay, five nine and three eights.

474
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah he's not He's not under five bigger Mike Hilton

475
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 1: or anything like that. All right, I mean that's Denzel

476
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 1: Ward size basically.

477
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good, good comp Yeah.

478
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 1: One hundred and eighty two pounds, which okay, you knew

479
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 1: he wasn'tna be two hundred, right, Yeah, but that's a

480
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: pretty thick guy for you know, Okay, he throws his

481
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: body round too. Yeah, basically thirty one inch arms and

482
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: he has a seventy four and a half inch wingspan

483
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 1: despite being.

484
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean he has a broad chest too, for

485
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: like a corner smaller guy, which helps you if you

486
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,199
Speaker 2: if you're his size is better than I thought if

487
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 2: you're going to be a slot.

488
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the longer arms because you're gonna need a

489
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 1: lot of run.

490
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 2: Tackling, yeah, exactly, wrapping up big big backs, taking on

491
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 2: pulling guards, things like that. Now I think he had.

492
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 2: That's a good start for the combine for him. Absolutely phenomenal.

493
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: You look at Okay, So Nate Wiggins is the next

494
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: guy on here from thirty ways uh six one and

495
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: three eights tall, one hundred and seventy three pounds. Yeah, yeah,

496
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: that's a that's a probably thirty and half inch arms,

497
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: thirty inches and a half nine inch hands, seventy four

498
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: and two eighths inch wings spin. So Santa Stril has

499
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: a longer wingspan than Wagans and Wigans. Interesting, Santa Strils

500
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: is long Wigans is not. I don't love that.

501
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: And we were actually just talking about Wiggins with Dane,

502
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 2: you know, twenty minutes ago or so, and you were

503
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 2: talking about Steeler fits. He said, boy, he's super twitchy.

504
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's the physical banger that that

505
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: team wants at that position. Then he comes in tall

506
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: and you know, not great length and under one eighty

507
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 2: right with seventy six. I might not, I might hesitate

508
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 2: to use a twentieth pick on him, but then they'll

509
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 2: running four to two today, right, you know.

510
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: And then he'll say I'm one hundred and seventy six

511
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: pounds because.

512
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 2: In the pro day will be one eighty three or something.

513
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 2: And still he's still lean. Yeah.

514
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: Terry and Arnold, oh, five eleven and six eighths, So

515
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: just a shade under six foot, one hundred and eighty

516
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: nine pounds. I thought it'd be a little heavier, thirty

517
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: one and five eighth inch arms. He's got a seventy

518
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: six and a quarter inch wingspan.

519
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 2: Kay, those were all fine, yeah, but not blow your

520
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: doors off, no, I mean it's fine.

521
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: Average cornerbacks yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Kaylin Carson had a

522
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: wake Forest, another one of those mid round five eleven

523
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: and seven eights, one hundred and ninety nine pounds, thirty

524
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: one and three eight inch arms and seventy five and

525
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: five eighths on the wingspan.

526
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean he's a pound under, but two hundred

527
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 2: pound corners or a dozen yeah, let's see here.

528
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: Who else we got here?

529
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: If he ain't safeties yet?

530
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: Just listing of them all as dbs here, Okay, there's

531
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: one hundred of them that yeah. Yeah. Jarvis Brownlee another guy.

532
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be one seventy eight dish.

533
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: He's five ten and three eighths bad, one hundred and

534
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: ninety four pounds. Oh wow, so a little thicker than

535
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: you you would think thirty one What if he does

536
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: the I'm not going to run trick and look good

537
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: at this one. I don't know if you'd do that

538
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: as a cornerback, mayam. I like him. Thirty one and

539
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: a quarter inch arms, seventy five and a quarter inch

540
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: on the wingspan.

541
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 2: Okay, that passes all the test though. That's a good

542
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: star for him. Chris screams like third round.

543
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: Missouri's Chris Abrams drain another one of those mid round guys,

544
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: five eleven and three eights one seventy nine thirty one

545
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: inch arms, seventy four and five eighths on the wingspan.

546
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 2: Fine, yeah, yeah, check the box.

547
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: Johinning Dixon out of Penn State five ten and six eight,

548
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: so almost five eleven, one hundred and eighty eight pounds,

549
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: twenty nine and a half inch arms. It's a little

550
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: shorter on the arms, and he might be a slot.

551
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 2: I say, he screams slot to me.

552
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, see Kayln King the other Pens State corner five

553
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: eleven in a quarter one hundred and ninety one pounds,

554
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: thirty and thirty inches and seven eighths on the arms

555
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: and a seventy four and a quarter inch wingspan.

556
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 2: What's with the short arm Penn State corners?

557
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

558
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it side is about where we thought it'd be. Yeah.

559
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: Jerry and Jones out of Florida State five eleven and

560
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 1: seven eights, hundred and ninety pounds, thirty inch arms, seventy

561
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: three and a quarter inches on the wingspan. Yeah, we

562
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: get Chris braswell. Why is he we're in? Do these

563
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: are today's measurements? That's from yesterday?

564
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: St okay, say he's an edge?

565
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: Why are we I'm missing some some o.

566
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: You got a refreshable refresh heir, because you're just pumping

567
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: them out crazy, right.

568
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: Charles Robinson is putting these out on Twitter as they

569
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: as they come out. Here. Kamari Lassiter from Georgia. Five

570
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: eleven and four eights on, hundred and eighty six pounds,

571
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: thirty and seven eighths on the arm length, and seventy

572
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: three and three quarter inches.

573
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 2: On the wingspan. Not super physically imposing, no.

574
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: For for god to safety. But he might be a

575
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: slot safety.

576
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: Last corners are right, he might be a slot I'm

577
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: mixing up. He's not super physical either. You just think

578
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: of Georgia starting corner that's played as much as he

579
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: had would be more impressive physically.

580
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: Elijah Jones out of Boston College. Oh, this is a

581
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: guy we need to know. We've talked about him a

582
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: little bit here. Six to one and a half inches

583
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: on the height, one hundred and eighty five pounds, thirty

584
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: one and a half inches on the arm length, seventy

585
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 1: six wings Yeah.

586
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so his arms aren't super long, takes the ball

587
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: away little on the lean side, but he's tall. I

588
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: mean he fits the steeler mold in a big Way.

589
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh.

590
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 2: I would think that's the name we need to know.

591
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think that like Tomin might know a little.

592
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: Something, maybe a little bit, have a little scoop on him.

593
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see here. Anybody else sticking out here? Umm,

594
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: kind of tough to I don't notice. They've kind of

595
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,959
Speaker 1: screwed up Twitter a little bit here or the the

596
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: x ex Twitter some of this stuff. But uh, yeah,

597
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think when you when you look.

598
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: At this corner class isn't bad. I mean, the Day

599
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: two stuff. If they don't get one in round one,

600
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: there's dudes, there's dudes, there's dudes. We had a pretty

601
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: good conversation with Dane about it just now. Second third,

602
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: fourth round. I think you're going to be pretty happy

603
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: with your selection for where the Steelers sit. Yeah, And

604
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: I think we both agree they're going to draft one. Yeah.

605
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: And in terms of these guys, the cornerbacks, the different

606
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: sizes and heights and every that doesn't bother me because

607
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: you use different guys different like yeah, you know, we

608
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: talk about Santa stril Well, he's five nine and you

609
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: know and change, he's a slot.

610
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 2: He would be your Sullivan and you'd much rather have

611
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: Santastril without question, and obviously they have a pension for

612
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 2: going after long, tall corners. Their corner room is going

613
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: to be a pretty as any of the lad but

614
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: they don't have But that doesn't want them all of them, right,

615
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: You don't want the whole corner room to be six

616
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: three condors.

617
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: You want you always talk about your your wide receiver room.

618
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: How you want that to look like a basketball team.

619
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: You get your he gets point guards, you gets your center.

620
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: How do you guard those guys? Your defensive backs kind

621
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: of need to be that sort of a mirror. Yeah, backcourt,

622
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: you know you're not going to have the true the center.

623
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have the six to eight guy.

624
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want price supporter in the slot. I

625
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: mean those guys are outside dudes are following the number one,

626
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: and you need some physicality and some thicker body types.

627
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: And you know, a slot safety would be very much

628
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: in the mix, if you could get one that could

629
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: drop all the way back to the deep half or

630
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: come down in the box. And so no, I do

631
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: think you need a variety including your linebackers and safeties.

632
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: You know, a tall six to two safety that can

633
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: play in the box, you know, but you don't want

634
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: them outside the numbers. Well that might be big against

635
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: the Ravens this year with their double tight head sets.

636
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: Or you gotta be really versatile week the week. Yeah,

637
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: that that to me is why I guy like the

638
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: gene is so yeah, exactly, because he gives you just that,

639
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: he's answered every task. Yeah, he gives you that position versatility.

640
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: Oh you need to slot this game. Me. He plays

641
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: in the slot. It's the same thing with Menca slot.

642
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: He can play there, he can play there, you know,

643
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: where wherever you need him.

644
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: At as great as Joey is, and he's obviously a

645
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: foundational player, he's not that. Yeah, he's going to follow ones.

646
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: I mean that's a rare trade. Rare trade that itself

647
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: has immense value. But you do need some puzzle pieces.

648
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't all look the same.

649
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, so uh you know keep skeleton key right, Yeah,

650
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: the the cheek codes.

651
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: The gene is definitely that. Yeah. I think that's why

652
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: people like Arnold a lot too, because he's physical enough

653
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: to play the run. He's gonna play and spend a

654
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Speaker 2: lot of time in the slot. Did you hear about

655
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Speaker 2: the McKinstry injury?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I did. I wanted to bring that up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking about earlier. I mean, there's a

658
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Speaker 2: lot of ton of information. But now was he there

659
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: in the second round of the Steelers. That's a different conversation.

660
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: Well, it's they're saying it's it's a Jones fracture in

661
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: the foot, and he expects to be able to he's

662
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Speaker 1: going to get it fixed and expects to be able

663
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Speaker 1: to run pro Da.

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Speaker 2: But he's not the fastest guy to begin with. You know,

665
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Speaker 2: Motes had a good, good call. We'll seeing it from

666
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: players perspective. He's like, well, if he hasn't run, speed's

667
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Speaker 2: not his forte to begin with. Do you want to

668
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Speaker 2: get it fixed and then a week later run you're

669
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Speaker 2: only forty Yeah, if you're not real fast to begin with,

670
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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, if four six two doesn't help you,

671
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Speaker 2: I'd rather just not run it.

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00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: Maybe do everything. But or you look at the force.

673
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: You know, a team might look at the four six

674
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Speaker 1: two and say, well, he's really a four to five

675
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Speaker 1: four guy.

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Speaker 2: You knew he's not a four to three guy. I mean,

677
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: we all know that watching the tape. But the biggest

678
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Speaker 2: question is his running. He can't imagine it's going to

679
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Speaker 2: be in perfect pristine condition.

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Speaker 1: To me, the bigger thing for these cornerbacks, as much

681
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Speaker 1: as you know everybody gets enamored with the straight line speed,

682
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Speaker 1: is to change of direction.

683
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, agreed. And he's good in that way,

684
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Speaker 2: and he's smart and he's under control and his good

685
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: eyes and I forget who was describing it this way

686
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: that he's great with his back to the ball, which

687
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: is when corners lose their mind. Yeah, its marbles.

688
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: That's when they start getting grabby.

689
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the balls coming. Yeah, I'm gonna get beat. Yeah,

690
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: but he's experienced, he's smart, Sabing coached. I'm still intrigued.

691
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: I don't want him at twenty, to be very honest

692
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: with you, because there's twenty other guys I like better.

693
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: But if he starts to slip, he could be in

694
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Speaker 2: the mix.

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00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So see, uh you know how that and you

696
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: feel for the kid too, he really do.

697
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

698
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: I like this for Max Melton.

699
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 2: He's another one.

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Speaker 1: Could be in five to five, eleven thirty two and

701
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: an eighth inch arms. I yeah, second, I thought to

702
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: be a seventy six and five asians wingspan. He can fly,

703
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: he can fly. He May This might be a really

704
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: good combine for him. Quinnyon Mitchell, he's two eight six

705
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: foot in an Eighthay, he's probably slim.

706
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Speaker 2: I bet he's built for speed then, yeah, because he's

707
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: talking about setting records. Yeah.

708
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a confident young Yeah, yeah it is.

709
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: But you want from your corners go too far. But yeah,

710
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: I don't think he's has a lot of self doubt.

711
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: No, he's not lacking in anything in terms of that

712
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: despite you know when you look at him. Uh, he

713
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: could have left Toledo.

714
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think I'm sure he was getting right

715
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: and he just hard to spot that talent.

716
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he decided to stay there out of loyalty to

717
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: the program that had brought him up. And not a

718
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: lot of these guys are doing that now.

719
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: No, I mean West always brings it up with Zach Frasier.

720
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: He could have went to Bama. I mean that's hard

721
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: to say, no too, I.

722
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: Mean for him though he's that's where he's from.

723
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: That's a good point point. I don't ding any of

724
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: these players now for transferring. It used to be a

725
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: major red fill.

726
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: If somebody's waving the dollars at you and just peeling

727
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: them off. Yeah, okay, all right.

728
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: I remember when Flacco came out like we couldn't beat

729
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: out Tyler Palco had pitt. I mean, why do I

730
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: want that guy went to Delaware? Now, if you transferred,

731
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: it's not a negative at all. But the dudes that

732
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: do stay that obviously could have left. That to me

733
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: is like wow, okay, that's I like that loyalty. And

734
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, I forget his name, but there's a guard

735
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: at North Dakota State that I guess got all kinds

736
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: of sec offers this year. Oh yeah, and he's like, hey,

737
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: I committed. I'm interesting to the end. I respect that.

738
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: No, I do too, and you know what, you what,

739
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: I really don't like to see, you know. I get

740
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: it if if somebody I've kind of changed my minds

741
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: on this a little bit because of the money that's

742
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: now involved, if somebody transfers, if you if you're a

743
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: backup and somewhere and you want to go somewhere else

744
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: in play, I get it. Yeah, I get it. I

745
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: got somebody's offered. The ones that are transferring three and

746
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: four times is a little not that's a little crazy.

747
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, but Arthur said yesterday, I was a

748
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: James Madison. If if the times were different and someone

749
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: was offered me a nice chunk of change, my family

750
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: could have used it, I would have gone, Yeah.

751
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: I mean everybody has different family situations. Like Josh Newton

752
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: at a TCU five ten and five eights, one ninety

753
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: thirty one inch arms, seventy four and a quarter inch

754
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: on the wingspan. He's another one of those mid round guys.

755
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of them now. I mean, a

756
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 2: lot of those names you've just mentioned the last twenty

757
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: minutes should absolutely be in the second but maybe third

758
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: round mix more so. And there's a lot to pick

759
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: from a lot of them. They have a lot of them,

760
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: a lot of them so and none of them I thought,

761
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: you know, really stood out negatively heightweight stuff.

762
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's no run. Nobody's coming in five eight change,

763
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: no noticeably smaller than we thought, you know. So No,

764
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Speaker 1: I like this group. Absolutely. Let's get to a break.

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Speaker 1: Key is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're

766
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Speaker 1: listening to us live from the NFL Scouting Combine here

767
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh.

768
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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this by from

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Speaker 1: about twenty twenty four NFL Combine.

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Speaker 2: This is Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: In chet's new Combine challenge is now live. The in

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Speaker 1: chad is the Steelers Trivia and Predictive Game where you

773
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Speaker 1: can compete versus Steeler Nation for prizes. This week, answer

774
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Speaker 1: daily Trivia on the NFL Combine Today, the question is

775
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: one of the questions for today is the number of

776
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: cornerbacks registering a forty yard dash faster than four point

777
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: three seconds in this year's dreft four point three is flying?

778
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: That's flying over or under one and a half, under

779
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: four to three, under four three. I don't know the

780
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: names that I would say are have a real, real

781
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: good chance, but I'm gonna go under.

782
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I think four to nine. Yeah. If

783
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: you're saying under, If four to three oh doesn't get

784
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: you there, right, you gotta be under that. There's probably

785
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: like five guys in history, slightly more, but not many,

786
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: not many more than that, just defensive backs. And we

787
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: were just talking about corner backs and wide receivers and

788
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: things like that. That's flying.

789
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: I mean, last segment, we were just talking about how

790
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: we like the sides of all these corners. Well, I mean,

791
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: if they're a little heavier than we thought, then you

792
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 2: know they're probably slightly less likely to go under four three.

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00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you answer that question now and yins chat on

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795
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: jersey uh from Broderick Jones the Steelers first Round perfect

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Speaker 1: Pick last year. Questions closed on Monday, and get on that. Yeah,

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00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: get on that. And then I also sent from my

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Speaker 1: iPhone just tap, I'm tapping the helmet their Gerard.

799
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: Inside joke. But that's great.

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00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: Anyways, can we tell that on the air?

801
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: No, probably not. It's not awful, but it is humorous.

802
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: Before let's just let's just say there was uh sometimes

803
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: the name they're Ron Burgundy type situations with with some

804
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: with reading the card. And I get it when you

805
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: do a lot of these reads and things like that,

806
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: and and you're you're sitting there and your reading. You

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00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: get several of them and you're reading and you just

808
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: continue to read right through the whole. Well, at one

809
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: point there was a player who was doing a P

810
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Speaker 1: S A and he was reading said P S A

811
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Speaker 1: and while wearing a helmet, and at the end of

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00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: it said you tapped the helmet and he kept reading

813
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: you tapped the helmet instead of just tapping the helmet

814
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: one time, I would understand, But after it happened multiple

815
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: it was over and over and over. And if we

816
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: told you the name, you'd say that adds up. Yeah,

817
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: that makes some sense.

818
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 2: That put the two together. Yep.

819
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: Okay, uh, just looking here and some of the other

820
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: heights and weights here again with the with the with

821
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: the speed on the on the for the cornerbacks. Really

822
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: anything like guys will look at people will look at

823
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: a guy who runs a four five five and say, oh,

824
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's fast enough to play safety.

825
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: That's plenty fast enough, depending on your asking from me.

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Speaker 1: If I'm if I'm playing his own scheme and I'm

827
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: a primarily a zone like the Shay Townsend, Oh yeah, yeah,

828
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: he's a four or five mid four five guy. Nobody

829
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: ever questions his speed when they're when the Steelers are

830
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: playing a lot of his own blitz. True, he's got

831
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: his face, his eyes on the corner on that quarterback,

832
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: and he's breaking on the football.

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00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: Those Seahawk cover three teams want length more than speed. Yeah,

834
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: I mean, depending what you're after at the position, who's

835
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: in your division things of that nature. Steelers specifically, though,

836
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: I think their secondary has to be faster next year

837
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 2: than was last year. Yeah, you know, I mean as

838
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: a whole, and I.

839
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: Gotta play as much man as they do and want

840
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: to do.

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00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: You have to have the speed, yeah, I mean, Wallace

842
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: is not a speed deam and Peterson's not a speed demon.

843
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: I mean, so, I think defensive team speed in the

844
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: secondary should be an offseason priority for them. Yeah, because

845
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: they're gonna new They're definitely gonna add more defensive backs.

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00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: I don't want ones with questionable speed. Yeah, but your

847
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: points very well taken. Depending what you're it doesn't mean

848
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: he can't play corner. Yeah, you're a fire.

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00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean again, we're we talked about the linebackers to

850
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: open the show today. Four to six is plenty fast

851
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: enough for ant.

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00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 2: Sexes moving, yeah, or six movie. What you don't want

853
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: is four to eight four eight is worrisome. I mean,

854
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: you're probably only a between the tackle plugger banger, and

855
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: those guys are falling by the wayside quick.

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00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Looking here at some of those linebacker sizes from

857
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: late yesterday, uh steel Chambers six foot and three quarters

858
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: to twenty six.

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00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: Fine and he'll run, he'll run well. He'll run well.

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00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: Only three of them did the three cone, but he

861
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: was the best of the three or whatever, you know.

862
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: But the athleticism is his forte. He looks like a

863
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: special team or turn hopeful starter, maybe spot player in

864
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: the meantime.

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00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: It maybe plays just as a dime linebacker or something

866
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe maybe uh, his teammates or I'm sorry, fellow,

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Speaker 1: I want to call the Ohio States chi guys team made.

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Speaker 2: Some listeners would not approve his.

869
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: Uh conference mate Junior Colson six two and two eights,

870
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: two thirty eight great size, great size there, thirty two

871
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: and a half inch arms, so he's got a little

872
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: bit longer arms. Very physically impressed, seventy seven and a

873
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: half inch wingspan.

874
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's in contention for first linebacker of the board.

875
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: Really impressive player.

876
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: He and Edger and Cooper right next to each other here,

877
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: they're almost identical, really close. Six two and eighth for

878
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: for Cooper too, thirty thirty four inch.

879
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: Arms, a little leaner, a little longer, yeah, I think

880
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: he's a little more explosive, but.

881
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: And wingspan on him like he's yeah, which would play

882
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: well as the middle of the field linebacker.

883
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he takes up a lot of space. He

884
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 2: just just rough throwing lanes. His zone stuff's really good

885
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 2: and he can really run too.

886
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's see here if I finally figured out this

887
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: little this whole thing here. Uh. Tommy Eikenberg out of

888
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, another guy six two and three eights two

889
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: thirty three. I don't think he ran. He did not.

890
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: He looks apart and he's plenty size wise, is not

891
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: an issue.

892
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: Jalen Ford out of Texas six to two and three

893
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: ages two for ooh, I think he moved pretty well

894
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: for a big guy too. Yeah. Thirty one in this

895
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: in three quarter inch arms, seventy four inch and change wingspan.

896
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: Maybe he gets into day two.

897
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. Cedric Gray out of UH North Carolina six one

898
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: and a half two thirty four thirty two and a

899
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: half inch arms in a seventy eight in three eight

900
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: three point or seventy eight point three eight wingspan? Is

901
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: that the highest points seen yet? I think from the linebackers. Linebackers, Yeah,

902
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: like you spread that up now. His build is good

903
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: for what we're after here too. Yeah. Tyron Hopper out

904
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: of Missouri six to one and three quarters two thirty

905
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 1: one thirty one and three eights inch arms seventy seven

906
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: and three quarter inch arms for him, So that'll work. Yeah,

907
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: that's a big enough to ride the ride.

908
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah as well. Not a lot of from what I

909
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 2: saw the linebacker wights and weights, there's not a lot

910
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: of of safety linebacker size guys. And there's not hardly

911
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: any too forty two forty five bangers type.

912
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they're all in that two twenty five

913
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: to two forty range somewhere in there.

914
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: I mean, as much as teams spread the ball out

915
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: in college and all that, that's the neighborhood these guys

916
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: are right now.

917
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, starting to see some of that morph a little

918
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: bit here. Uh. You know, there was a while there

919
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: where you know, there were all these guys that were,

920
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, six foot two twenty Yeah, yeah, six foot

921
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: two fifteen, Like, what are you doing?

922
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: Can you play in the boss? Yeah?

923
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: The kid that the Browns drafted.

924
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, uh Joe okay, j okay, he's very small

925
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: if flies on the field, but you wonder if you

926
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 2: were only some things he can do and then the yeah,

927
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: the injuries and holding up for the whole season, that

928
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: kind of stuff too.

929
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Trotter. Yeah, I don't think this was good from

930
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: what I remember. Six foot twenty eight, Yeah, thirty one

931
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: and a half inch arms, Yeah, just stands out in

932
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: the wrong way.

933
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: I know, a miss group, you would. I wish he

934
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: was more of a heavier banger by the way he plays. Yeah,

935
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 2: and he didn't. I'm sure he's trying to stay lean,

936
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: to run well for this game, for this you know event.

937
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: I respect what he does on the field and his

938
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: father and all that, but I can't consider him in

939
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: the second round. Yeah, and now we started at the earliest.

940
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: Peyton Wilson go out yesterday and run a four to

941
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: fourth forty six foot three and seven eights, so almost

942
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: sixty four that hew. He really stands out two hundred

943
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: and thirty three pounds. But the arm like thirty and

944
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: a half inch, very short. But the wingspan seventy five

945
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: and three quarter inches.

946
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 2: As bad, Righteah, right, I mean that's why they give.

947
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: You both more more surface area of tackling there you're

948
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: using the shoulder.

949
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I knew he had medical issues. Dane said

950
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 2: he's had twelve surgeries. Boy since high school, including high school.

951
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: He was Yeah, well, in his life. He's had twelve surgeries.

952
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: That is a lot.

953
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know I'm not a doctor, but I gotta

954
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: think that there's red flags there. You can't tell me

955
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: all those things are fine, no concerns. Yeah, just but

956
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: is it he's you know, the week the week to

957
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 2: stay healthy or is he one contract guy only?

958
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: And then you don't want to invest in them and

959
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: you got a weigh those Yes, yeah, they should also

960
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: with a lot of these these things like this, because

961
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: this matters when you're putting these things out. Put the

962
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: age with the guy. Yeah, this prospect is twenty like

963
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins. Yes, this prospect is twenty four, especially for

964
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: weighty five.

965
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: I mean, as we all know, you get into your

966
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: twenties and human being men, you're gonna put some weight

967
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: on that team.

968
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: A team might look at a guy like Wiggins and say, okay,

969
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: yes he's lean now.

970
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: But he's your younger than most of these guys.

971
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: He's way you know, he's not twenty four like some

972
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: of these other guys. He's gonna put on ten good pounds.

973
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: And people laugh at this stuff, but that's why they

974
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: walk out on the stage in their underwear. You want

975
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: to see their bone structure. Yeah. I mean if he

976
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: has really narrow hips and you know bone structure, he's

977
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: gonna have a harder time holding weight, putting weighed on,

978
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: and you know, real narrow calves. You know, you're not

979
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: going to add two pounds per calve, you know, So

980
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff matters in terms of Yeah, he

981
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: is twenty and he's only one eighty. Can we get

982
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: him to one ninety? Oh? Yeah, he looks like he

983
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: can hold it, you know.

984
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: Kool Aid McKinstry. Five eleven and a half, one hundred

985
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: and ninety nine pounds, thirty two inch arms and seven

986
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: and seven basically seventy six inches on the wings.

987
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: That's good measurements. I mean he's a solidly built, strong guy.

988
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's kind of what you wanted to see

989
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: from him there. Andrew Phillips another.

990
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: Guy that the Kentucky linebacker in the Kentucky Corner to me,

991
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: are both really intriguing this.

992
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: He came in at five ten and six eight, so

993
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: basically five eleven, one hundred and ninety pounds, thirty one

994
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: and a quarter inch arms and a seventy five inch wingspan.

995
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: I think he's a Day two player and I think

996
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: he's supposed to run really well.

997
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Enus Rakestraw another one of those guys.

998
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: I didn't see his measures.

999
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: And he may benefit from the kol Aid McKinstry.

1000
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: I was thinking that too.

1001
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know he may now be more so jump

1002
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: into five round. Yeah, five eleven and three eighths, one

1003
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty three pounds, thirty two inch arms and

1004
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: a seventy five and five eighths inch wingspan. And he's

1005
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: a guy you know, when you talk about the physicality,

1006
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: he will take on the edge and do that.

1007
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: He plays strong. Yeah, I mean he's kind of a

1008
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 2: wiry Lamar Jackson strength guy. You know, he doesn't look

1009
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: like a bodybuilder, but he is a lot of strength

1010
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: to him for not being a particularly heavy, thickly built guy.

1011
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: He's not bachelor at all.

1012
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: No, not at all.

1013
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: And so that's a guy that two series really like him. Yeah.

1014
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: I just think he's in no man's land between twenty

1015
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: and the fifties. Yeah, that's the problem. But if there's

1016
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: a trade, he's probably too high for twenty. But he's

1017
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,479
Speaker 2: not going to make it to fifty two, no chance,

1018
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: I don't think. Yeah, which is interesting. You know.

1019
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: If you see a run on those quarterbacks early, and

1020
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: when you know, when we had I'm getting.

1021
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: The thought, McCarthy's no chance of being there twenty.

1022
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so. I think that four off

1023
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: the board. And when you you know, you look at

1024
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: that that grouping of you know, when we had Tony

1025
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: on yesterday said he kind of backed up what we've

1026
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: been saying here that there's twenty four first round grade guys. Yes,

1027
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: the Steelers sitting at twenty.

1028
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: And that might not even include McCarthy and that might

1029
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: not right.

1030
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: That's where that's where I was going with that, because

1031
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. I think he said he had three quarterbacks

1032
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: in it.

1033
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 2: I can't remember how Tony had. Maybe that's what he said.

1034
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: I remember him not loving McCarthy one.

1035
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: So if one or two of those quarterbacks happened to

1036
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: go up there, now you're down to twenty six draftable

1037
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, guys are there. You know, so if you're

1038
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: the Steelers and you're sitting there at twenty, you say, okay,

1039
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: we can move back four or five spots. Maybe we

1040
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: don't get our number one guy that we were thinking

1041
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna get at twenty. But if there's three, pretty

1042
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: well we've got Yeah, we've got five guys that right

1043
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: take there, we can move back.

1044
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: I think that's very much in the cards, especially considering

1045
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: the tackle and corner depth. Another name that I think

1046
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: is Steeler fans should be happy about is Troup Robinson.

1047
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: It's such a good day. Could he go in the

1048
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 2: top nineteen.

1049
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: Now, you know, all the mock drafts that you've seen

1050
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: to this point had him be, you know, going after

1051
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: that Steael pick. Now all of a sudden, the teams

1052
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: start going, well, he's got better traits in what we

1053
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: thought we could use.

1054
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 2: An edge rusher, edge guy's never fall, you know. I mean,

1055
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 2: so he's another one that could be in the mix. Yeah.

1056
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

1057
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: I like what they said at twenty is the lost spot. Yeah,

1058
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: it's good spot.

1059
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: Unlike some previous years where you're looking at, oh, there's

1060
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: fifteen first rounders and you're sitting at twenty and you're like, well,

1061
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: we're not going to get any of this.

1062
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: It'd be really costly to go from twenty to fifteen

1063
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: to get in there where this one you may pick

1064
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 2: up something nice to move back to three spots.

1065
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, for somebody who has to have one of those.

1066
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: Guys, maybe it's Shop Robinson. They have to have the

1067
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: other two edges are gone, and they see it, you know,

1068
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 2: see a drop off.

1069
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: Could be absolutely that couldn't be the case. We're gonna

1070
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: get to another break that's going to do it for

1071
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: our number one of the Drive here live from the

1072
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis. We'll be back with

1073
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: our number two here on the Drive on Steelers Nation

1074
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh right after this. He's Matt Williamson.

1075
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,600
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