Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio. Hieron. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's up, Elizabeth Donton? How you doing girl? Pretty good?
Speaker 1: Pretty good? You know it's ridiculous. Oh yes, I've just
Speaker 1: heard about this thing. Have you ever tried to fight
Speaker 1: a peck of pickled pipers? Like drunk fight? Yeah, like
Speaker 1: drunk bagpipers? No. Well, in on Febuary there was these
Speaker 1: two cats Callum Graham and Alan gil Ruth. I'm saying
Speaker 1: that because they're Scottish and Prounce her name. They're about
Speaker 1: twenty five and they have been going to a Violentine's
Speaker 1: Day wedding in Broxton, Scotland. How mu sure if you
Speaker 1: know who that is. Anyway, afterwards they hit up with McDonald's,
Speaker 1: McDonald's and McDonald's. This is, by the way, at three
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. And the trouble was, I don't
Speaker 1: know why they have McDonald's at three thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1: That's why it's fun over there. So anyway, the trouble
Speaker 1: was that two men they're dressed up as Highland pipers, right,
Speaker 1: and they have their bagpipes with them and as I
Speaker 1: told you, it's about four am in the morning and
Speaker 1: go into the McDonald's. They're drunk, they're pipers. They have
Speaker 1: their bagpipes with them. Select do I think they do
Speaker 1: a last? Did they strike up the flowers? Scotland is
Speaker 1: just like violently reverberating throughout the whole place. They piped
Speaker 1: up and then the other diners were like, I came
Speaker 1: to McDonald's at four am just for my cheeseburger, not
Speaker 1: for the music, lads. And then the pipers like, you
Speaker 1: keep it down, so they started assaulting verbally the other diners.
Speaker 1: The diners getting mad, turn on them. Four drunk Scots
Speaker 1: come over and try to attack the pipers. The pipers
Speaker 1: they're down for it. They start swinging back and they
Speaker 1: put down four guys. These two drunk pipers put down
Speaker 1: four other men who were roughly about their same age,
Speaker 1: and uh, the four guys who were all like, you know,
Speaker 1: suddenly having a much worse time, they all get arrested.
Speaker 1: And UM, I just wanted to know, since you've been
Speaker 1: to Scotland, what do you say at that point to
Speaker 1: a drunk piper, like that's good, that is ridiculous, that's
Speaker 1: very ridiculous, good job, thank you. Um you want to
Speaker 1: know what else is ridiculous girl. I love ridiculous trying
Speaker 1: to be two people at once. M hmm. This is
Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists
Speaker 1: and cons. It's always murder free and one ridiculous. Zaren, Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you today about Satan. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I have been waiting for so long for you to
Speaker 1: say that. Who just always like, Oh, I would like
Speaker 1: to talk about February. Oh, I'd like to talk about
Speaker 1: spring flowers. Oh, I'd like to talk about baking doughes.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, what do you get to Satan? Satan
Speaker 1: by the Shawn Wells recommended this story to us via email.
Speaker 1: It's a solid, solid tip. So anyway, Satan Hale, Satan,
Speaker 1: thank you, Sean. Let me start with this. Don Larrose
Speaker 1: he was a minister at the first Baptist church in Maine,
Speaker 1: New York, Main New York. That's a city in New York,
Speaker 1: not both mainamed in Main New York. Elizabeth October from Ohio, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Um LaRose. He gives these talks at his church about
Speaker 1: the work of Satan. I hear they do. That is
Speaker 1: they're always on about Satan and not long after that,
Speaker 1: he called the cops. Wait, Satan did uh? Don Learrose says,
Speaker 1: I'm getting threatening letters and phone calls because of my
Speaker 1: Satan talks talking about Satan. And then suddenly now he's
Speaker 1: got Yeah. So the first letter he gets reads, Reverend
Speaker 1: Larrose for blasphemy against Satan. I condemn you to the
Speaker 1: wrath of Lucifer, Son of the Morning, ruler of this
Speaker 1: world and victor over all opposing forces. I have to say,
Speaker 1: I have never thought of Lucifer or Satan whoever, as
Speaker 1: the son of the Morning like I do sometime things
Speaker 1: like a morning guy. I don't know. Maybe that's some
Speaker 1: of the lingo and the you know. He gets another
Speaker 1: letter that says that his blood is required for a sacrifice.
Speaker 1: It's like an invoid. So then two other pastors from
Speaker 1: nearby Baptist churches, they start getting threatening letters and phone calls.
Speaker 1: Look what happened when he started giving these Satan talks,
Speaker 1: telling you speak the Devil's name, and look what happens.
Speaker 1: November four, Don LeRose disappears. So he did. He tells
Speaker 1: his wife earlier that day that something odd was happening
Speaker 1: like that you can feel it. Well, yeah, he gets
Speaker 1: a phone call and it's telling him that one of
Speaker 1: the congregants is having an operation, and so he has
Speaker 1: to get to the hospital, okay for like spiritual sucker.
Speaker 1: And he gets to the hospital and there's nothing on
Speaker 1: the schedule, no operation. The devil played a trick on him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just after noon that day, the church's secretary, she sees
Speaker 1: Don LaRose in the church parking lot as he's taking
Speaker 1: his lunch break. I like to picture him like squatting
Speaker 1: behind his car, really like why do you like him?
Speaker 1: Let me finish, Let me finish, eating like a really
Speaker 1: soggy tuna sandwich in a really animalistic way, like a
Speaker 1: like a raccoon or a squirrel. It's just in his
Speaker 1: fast and he was forcing into his face. He was
Speaker 1: just like a little tiny fingers graveling, shoving the tu Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the church secretary looks like Don's having his lunching,
Speaker 1: having his raccoon break, and that was the last time
Speaker 1: anyone saw him. I didn't see back coming. That was
Speaker 1: on purpose. Um. He gets reported missing the next just
Speaker 1: after midnight the next day on November Do they have
Speaker 1: to wait the twenty four hours? Always sent? Cool? I
Speaker 1: heard that doesn't Um, I'm just gonna start. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna wait forty eight hours anymore to report people missing.
Speaker 1: Someone ten minutes late, I just call the police like
Speaker 1: they're missing. So his wife Donlerose, not Sandwich. His wife
Speaker 1: was named dom Rose to his wife do a w
Speaker 1: don and do no don? Okay, his wife Don's wife.
Speaker 1: And then some of the people from the church. They're
Speaker 1: going around to all the hospitals trying to find out,
Speaker 1: like is he But the thing is they tell people
Speaker 1: we went to the hospital's not because they thought was
Speaker 1: he was injured? Is he there praying on people? Not praying?
Speaker 1: You're really messing with these hominys with today, creeping down
Speaker 1: the hallway looking for an open door. He's like the
Speaker 1: doors open. He's perched on top of the order comes in.
Speaker 1: He's been talking about Satan too much, um, praying for people.
Speaker 1: You know? Is he there? No, he's not. They go
Speaker 1: driving on all the back roads looking for his car.
Speaker 1: Is the seventies maybe he got skyjacked? So um he
Speaker 1: had was part of the way writing the last of
Speaker 1: his Satan lectures, called Satan's First Assault on the Earthly Realm,
Speaker 1: that was half finished in his typewriter. So early the
Speaker 1: morning of November six. The next day, please are just
Speaker 1: kind of like poking around looking for stuff, just let
Speaker 1: a little sticks. They find his ride. He has this
Speaker 1: sweet ass ride in nineteen seventies station wagon panel on
Speaker 1: the side, abandoned at a bus station in Binghamton, New York,
Speaker 1: which was nearby. So they find the car at a
Speaker 1: bus station. His family is like, you know what, he's healthy.
Speaker 1: We haven't noticed any changes in how he's behaving. There's
Speaker 1: there are no issues at the church, issues at home,
Speaker 1: so there's no money issues, and they're like running down
Speaker 1: their checklist. He hardly had any life insurance. He had
Speaker 1: just like a little policy other than Satan. He has
Speaker 1: no rivals, none, just Satan. Uh no debt. Says everything's happy.
Speaker 1: The investigation they find no sign of like an affair
Speaker 1: or anything. Um just got two kids love him. Neighbors
Speaker 1: described him as quote the happiest man on the street.
Speaker 1: That's always a tell, right, most of the people, right,
Speaker 1: they're like, well, you know what, I know what happened
Speaker 1: Satan worshippers, Yeah, probably yeah. So for ten weeks, a
Speaker 1: hundred and forty members of the church met and prayed
Speaker 1: daily for his return. A hundred and forty people got
Speaker 1: together every day every day from ten weeks so two
Speaker 1: and a half months, hundred forty people met daily. How
Speaker 1: much time that is, Yes, that's a lot. If I
Speaker 1: was like a contractor doing the man hours of like
Speaker 1: this job, Yeah, I'm looking at a that's a deep investment. Um.
Speaker 1: The church offered ten thousand dollar reward for information leading
Speaker 1: to his safe return, but they'd only give you five
Speaker 1: k if you could just tell him where the body was.
Speaker 1: So that's the up it. You just got a pot
Speaker 1: for years half And then they also hired private investigator
Speaker 1: how much for just a body part to prove he's
Speaker 1: still around, But they didn't disclose that they hire some
Speaker 1: private investigators. Let me let me back up and tell
Speaker 1: you a little bit more about Don the Rose. So
Speaker 1: he was born in Pennsylvania in Kentucky, Pennsylvania. He grew
Speaker 1: up in the Lancaster Lancaster Lancaster, Pennsylvania area. He said
Speaker 1: his parents were both Pennsylvania Dutch and that as a
Speaker 1: kid he spent a lot of Yeah exactly, he spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time with the Pennsylvania Duchess kids. He
Speaker 1: said that he had an accent. They do they have
Speaker 1: that area has a nominal accent? Yeah, he had, he
Speaker 1: wrote out like he you'll find later, he wrote out,
Speaker 1: and finally then I've us a little kid. This is
Speaker 1: the vey my English come out, the translation when I
Speaker 1: was a little kid. This is the way my English
Speaker 1: come out. So he wrote out his access. He spoke
Speaker 1: with an accent. So he went to the Moody Bible
Speaker 1: School in Chicago, the Moody Blues Bible School. Um, and
Speaker 1: that's where he met his wife, Eunice, And he didn't graduate.
Speaker 1: He left after three years before he finished, goes back
Speaker 1: to Lancaster, works with an organization called Youth for Christ.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a front group of up. Yeah, no, he
Speaker 1: it's He then worked at Christian radio stations one in Indiana, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: Baltimore and bouncing around the Christian radio Okay, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: just like becomes like U in ight. He moves to Syracuse,
Speaker 1: New York, and he helps start a Christian radio station
Speaker 1: there and becomes a station manager. His life is like
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward boring at this point. You know, comes from
Speaker 1: this strong Family's got like a faith based career and
Speaker 1: his faith is strong. I'm not one to buy into
Speaker 1: the whole Satanic panic thing. So it's unlikely that Satan
Speaker 1: just got wind of his anti Satan servants and wanted revenge. Plus,
Speaker 1: it's like if anyone's paying attention to this, like yeah,
Speaker 1: and also from what I've known, and I've known a
Speaker 1: couple of Satanist or like you know, that modern Church
Speaker 1: of Satan where they're basically just you know, like I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it, like cantankerous types who just
Speaker 1: want to be like right, well, they have this approach
Speaker 1: to that I'm like when they describe Satanism, it's all
Speaker 1: about like, you know, being able to do whatever you want,
Speaker 1: people care what you're doing. They're they're really care there,
Speaker 1: seem to be really focused on religious civil liberties and
Speaker 1: being kind of like smugly intellectual about everything. So what
Speaker 1: happened to Don LeRose if we've ruled that out, Remember
Speaker 1: when I said the church hired private investigators? Yes, well,
Speaker 1: a year after he went missing mid January ninety six,
Speaker 1: the church terminates its relationship with him and the prayer
Speaker 1: meetings stopped. So they found him. Well, yeah, not quite.
Speaker 1: The head deacon of the church said that their investigation
Speaker 1: showed that Larrose had planned his own disappearance. So those
Speaker 1: threatening letters with the cut out words, right, those were
Speaker 1: created with words cut from the trade magazine called Broadcasting,
Speaker 1: and yes he was. One of the other words came
Speaker 1: from the first Baptist Church's newsletter. So he's just working
Speaker 1: with what he knows. The people who show up on
Speaker 1: this show because they get caught. I'm always like just
Speaker 1: so tickled by, Like, look, you had this grand plan
Speaker 1: and then you decided I'm just going to use the
Speaker 1: closest available things. The only thing that's going to be
Speaker 1: evidentiary exactly, no thoughts. Um, the letters and phone calls
Speaker 1: that he and the others got, those would arrive on Wednesdays,
Speaker 1: and that's the day he taught his satan us. And
Speaker 1: then I guess what happened after he disappeared. Um, satan
Speaker 1: stuff stopped. Yeah, the letters in the call stop. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was also discovered that earlier that year, LaRose
Speaker 1: had purchased carry on luggage and cash some stock, taking
Speaker 1: a cash advance. He was likely carrying around forty hundred
Speaker 1: bucks at the time you've been taking Portuguese lessons and
Speaker 1: studying about Brazil, but that he had around a little
Speaker 1: over twenty two dollars on him in Today's in Today's money,
Speaker 1: Today's money, Zarin, Elizabeth, I want you to close your eyes, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want you to picture it. You're not going to
Speaker 1: any stating stuff, are you. Maybe it's the middle of
Speaker 1: February nine. You're a cool team captain of the football team.
Speaker 1: You're hanging out Where are you laughing? I'm sorry on
Speaker 1: You're hanging out at home one afternoon, listening to funky
Speaker 1: tunes on the radio Plunk Railroad. You're flipping through the
Speaker 1: latest issue of your favorite magazine, Christianity Today. Oh, I
Speaker 1: thought were gonna say, hot Rod that you. As you
Speaker 1: pruse the articles, your eyes are drawn to a photo.
Speaker 1: It's a picture of the congregation of the Plymouth Brethren Church.
Speaker 1: I see and they're staring back at you. Is the
Speaker 1: face of your missing pastor, Don le Rose, except he's
Speaker 1: captioned as a man named Bruce Williams that down the road.
Speaker 1: You're pretty sure that it's Don don the Rose. You
Speaker 1: scamper into the den and you alert your family. You
Speaker 1: asked them if they think it's also the missing pastor
Speaker 1: to look at this. Your mother gasps, your father lets
Speaker 1: out along exhale. The man your whole family has been
Speaker 1: spending so much time and money searching for is right there,
Speaker 1: miraculously delivered back to you to his loving flock. So
Speaker 1: your parents they alert the other members of the church,
Speaker 1: and those people contact the good people at Plymouth Brethren,
Speaker 1: the wholesome Minnesotan's at Plymouth Brethren. They spring into action
Speaker 1: and they arranged for a reunion with lar Rose's wife
Speaker 1: and his parents. So the only problem is that LaRose
Speaker 1: claimed to not remember anything about his past life. The
Speaker 1: people at the church really guess what we found out
Speaker 1: who you really are. You can't do that. No, that's
Speaker 1: like waking up a sleepwalker. Don't do that. So he claims,
Speaker 1: he's like, you know what, I woke up in a
Speaker 1: box car in Minneapolis with a key in my pocket
Speaker 1: and work that he just happened to fit a nearby building.
Speaker 1: I woke up in a box car in Minneapolis. He
Speaker 1: had a birth certificate for Bruce Williams on him and
Speaker 1: because of that he was able to go get a
Speaker 1: Social Security card. He said, my abductors gave it to me,
Speaker 1: and they're like, wait on, my abductors, this is the
Speaker 1: first we're hearing about this. Bruce Kent Williams, he was
Speaker 1: a guy from New York, from an area not far
Speaker 1: from where Larrose was living in New York, Connecticut, Maine,
Speaker 1: New York. Yeah, he was like a twenty year old
Speaker 1: who died in a car accidentth certificate scale completely so.
Speaker 1: November twelfth, five before Larote, before he gets exposed LaRose,
Speaker 1: he shows up at this Christian rescue mission in Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: He agrees to join the Plymouth Brethren Church. He tells
Speaker 1: the church members he doesn't know anything about the Bible.
Speaker 1: This is what is this thing? This is so cool? Um.
Speaker 1: He claims his parents had been killed in the car accident,
Speaker 1: and that his wife and children had left him because
Speaker 1: he was an alcoholic. And then he told his landlady
Speaker 1: that he was a salesman who worked with his father
Speaker 1: and he was spending Christmas with his parents. He's just
Speaker 1: telling stories. Church members. They get him a job as
Speaker 1: a dishwasher in the church, and then his family shows up.
Speaker 1: Right after this is all exposed, his family comes. Um,
Speaker 1: He's like, I have no idea who these people are.
Speaker 1: Who are you again, I don't know? Yeah, their kids.
Speaker 1: So they sent him to a psychiatric facility in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Case closed, Danne, thanks for listening now, um, So L
Speaker 1: Rose and his family, they're trying to piece it together.
Speaker 1: He's given truth serum, he claims, like sodium amatal um,
Speaker 1: and they said it's going to help him recover those memories.
Speaker 1: But this to be a gap. He also told everyone
Speaker 1: he was having shocked treatments get out. Yeah, but when
Speaker 1: he gets his memory back, he's able to tell people
Speaker 1: some stuff about his abduction. When we come back. I
Speaker 1: don't believe he's just willing to endure this thing. When
Speaker 1: we come back, I'll let you know what happened to
Speaker 1: Pastoral A. Rose. I'm on the edge of my seat,
Speaker 1: all right, Saron. When we left off, Don Lrose had
Speaker 1: been rescued from his post abduction life in Minnesota. He's
Speaker 1: piecing together these recovered memories. You know, he's like starting
Speaker 1: to share his story a little bit. He claims that
Speaker 1: on November four, six, that day that we saw him
Speaker 1: eating the tuna, sang forcing his face like an angry raccoon,
Speaker 1: that a man came into his office at the church
Speaker 1: and the guy asked Larrose to come visit a buddy
Speaker 1: of his who was sick. Yes, sure, said innocent La Rose.
Speaker 1: I love praying over people, my second favorite thing to do.
Speaker 1: So they hop in l Rose's car and there's a
Speaker 1: man with a gun in there waiting in his car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in his own car. So the two men they tell
Speaker 1: him to drive until he gets out of town, right,
Speaker 1: and then they forced him into a van and so
Speaker 1: um the van. They first take him to Chicago. They
Speaker 1: went a little trip, little road trip. You need to
Speaker 1: see the country. Here's a bag of corn, let's enjoy yourself.
Speaker 1: Then they go to Minneapolis and they set him free
Speaker 1: like a little bird. Um. He said he was brainwashed
Speaker 1: with an electric machine that was attached to his forehead.
Speaker 1: What I know, I don't even know the movies he
Speaker 1: must have watched throughout the fifties to come up with
Speaker 1: this stuff. And then apparently they gave him a birth
Speaker 1: certificate and a key to it was like a rehoming exercise,
Speaker 1: Like he's like an injured woodland creature. Wait a second,
Speaker 1: he's Gerald the turkey. He's been tagged and put him
Speaker 1: in a cardboard box, tipped him. Why did this happen?
Speaker 1: What was the purpose of it all? Why would these
Speaker 1: people kidnap him and then release him after doing the brainwashing.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the reason is that they
Speaker 1: don't exist. They're not real, and they're alive. Well, right,
Speaker 1: so he tells everyone the story makes no sense. Everyone's
Speaker 1: just like, Oh, we're just so glad you're home. They don't,
Speaker 1: they're not. They told themselves the story was true, and
Speaker 1: then they just moved on. How how do you do that?
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know either. So the family they
Speaker 1: decided to move on. Literally, they in nineteen seventy seven,
Speaker 1: they moved to Hammond, Indiana. They just pull up stakes.
Speaker 1: They first visited the town on their way back from Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: and I guess they liked it, like, you know, we
Speaker 1: should just live here, like really good snacks. In nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy eight, he becomes the pastor of Hessville Baptist Church,
Speaker 1: and when he's there, he's like talking totally openly about
Speaker 1: the kidnapping, and he talks about a few months of
Speaker 1: his life that he spent as Bruce Kent Williams. He's
Speaker 1: like he was delivered back to his family. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: would make sense. He claims at the time that he
Speaker 1: kept talking to police, like he kept trying to contact
Speaker 1: law enforcement and asking them to investigate what happened. And
Speaker 1: he then said, well that I was told if I
Speaker 1: called them again, I'd be arrested for filing a false complaint. So, Zaren,
Speaker 1: are you buying this story? I'm actually trying to return
Speaker 1: it to the store. Someone brought it over as a gift.
Speaker 1: They left it here and I'm like, can I return this?
Speaker 1: So what is this deal? It's has the worst lies
Speaker 1: and he's playing everyone like they're idiots. Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: He amps up the drama, Laren, I have really bad
Speaker 1: news for you. Don the rose done? Did it again? June?
Speaker 1: He disappears again. Are you kidding me? He tells his wife. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna pop next door to the church. I
Speaker 1: need to visit someone over there. No big you know,
Speaker 1: Except he never came back. He's like a sax player
Speaker 1: in the depression. What is going on with this? Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so the night before when he was giving a sermon.
Speaker 1: This is according to the church congregation. He is giving
Speaker 1: a sermon, he suddenly stops and looks up at the
Speaker 1: back of the room. No one else sees anything, and
Speaker 1: then later he said that he saw one of the
Speaker 1: Satanists through the window. So he's again with the Satanist thing.
Speaker 1: Every time this boogeyman he's pulled. Everyone's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: the state just like they don't they It's like a
Speaker 1: shortcut where they stopped thinking. Right. So the congregation, they're
Speaker 1: like concern when he doesn't show up for the regular
Speaker 1: Monday morning meeting and they report him missing. And apparently
Speaker 1: he has been working on a quote yet to be
Speaker 1: published book about the evils of Satan and that manuscript
Speaker 1: was missing too. Zaron, this is like last time with
Speaker 1: the letter. So Larrose later when he was married to
Speaker 1: the same first is going through this again again. So
Speaker 1: he later on he said that he was told he
Speaker 1: could either I don't know, I feel he's told that
Speaker 1: he could either stay in Hammond and quote watch my
Speaker 1: family die a painful death in front of my eyes,
Speaker 1: or I could turn myself over to these people and
Speaker 1: I would live what what? So he was worried that
Speaker 1: the police wouldn't believe him that he was getting harassed
Speaker 1: by Satanist again very good reason. So he did what
Speaker 1: any rational person who wants to protect his family would do.
Speaker 1: He hired some Satanists. Now he went to a nearby town.
Speaker 1: He bought a bicycle, put on a backpack, and rode away.
Speaker 1: He biked his way out of this whole thing. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna wheel on a squeaky ring. In two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven, he told the press, quote, what happened in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, Whether it was right or wrong, what I did,
Speaker 1: I did it under threat for the safety of my
Speaker 1: family and for our own survival. None of us would
Speaker 1: probably be here today if I had not done that,
Speaker 1: and there would be some bodies in some graves. Does
Speaker 1: bank and tie his own shoes to just fell grow
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, Keep that date in mind. So he's
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, look, I didn't have a choice.
Speaker 1: He said that after he left Indiana, after we rode
Speaker 1: out of Indiana his back. Now he moved from down
Speaker 1: to town, he goes to Des Moines, Omaha, Denver. Cheyenne's
Speaker 1: working odd jobs. Right. Um, he has a website, but
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. But the two the two thousand
Speaker 1: two version of it, which isn't he's taken this part down.
Speaker 1: But I guess earlier this year and March he was writing, quote,
Speaker 1: I have delivered newspapers over a seventy three mile route
Speaker 1: each day, worked as an investigator of workmen's camp fraud
Speaker 1: cases and helped build the inside of Dollar General stores
Speaker 1: and do the initial stocking of the shelves, all while
Speaker 1: operating my farm just outside Seligman, Missouri. None of this
Speaker 1: is true, right, No? No? At one point, what is
Speaker 1: he trying to get? He's not even like gaining a
Speaker 1: lot from this. He gets like a bike in a
Speaker 1: new lease on just gets out. At one point during
Speaker 1: his journeys, he said that three men in suits approached
Speaker 1: him and asked if he'd seen the man in a
Speaker 1: photo that they showed him, and it was a photo
Speaker 1: of him, and he yeah, and he said he had
Speaker 1: long hair and a long beard, so they didn't recognize him.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I don't know who that is, and
Speaker 1: then wheeled on. Boy. So once again though he's he's
Speaker 1: using Bruce Kent Williams identity. And so when he got
Speaker 1: brought back the first time, he kept the Social Security card. Um.
Speaker 1: But now he's just going by Ken. You can call
Speaker 1: me Ken. He goes to northwest Arkansas in the early eighties. Now,
Speaker 1: remember that the real Bruce Kent Williams from a car accident. Yeah,
Speaker 1: born in eight died in a car accident. Also killed
Speaker 1: in that accident was a young man named Donald Fergano.
Speaker 1: Now apparently LaRose at one point also claimed to be
Speaker 1: Donald Fergano. What is up with this car accident? Well,
Speaker 1: I think he read about it in the paper probably
Speaker 1: and was like, I'll just pull both. My name is Don.
Speaker 1: He ordered both birthic so I got six seven going
Speaker 1: right now? He and then sometimes he claimed that he
Speaker 1: worked as a salesman for the Donald Fergano company. We
Speaker 1: have to start. Oh, I'm going to get business cards.
Speaker 1: Need so starting around one LaRose slash Williams. He worked
Speaker 1: for seven years at the radio station k A m
Speaker 1: O and Rogers Arkansas. He does these long stints. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Then he moved to Centerton, Arkansas. And where's unite? Unis
Speaker 1: is at home, like with a candle in the window,
Speaker 1: just like I'll wait for you, honey. Um Centerton, Arkansas.
Speaker 1: He moves there in the mid eighties. He told people
Speaker 1: that he was a former chief executive from Chicago Advertig,
Speaker 1: a huge Chicago advertising who just happens to relocate to
Speaker 1: this town of people. I got tired of the past life.
Speaker 1: LaRose slash. Williams then gets married six he marries Patricia. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let me clarify that's his second wife, will still
Speaker 1: being married. I'm worried about un too. He worked at
Speaker 1: a local radio station ku r M as a popular
Speaker 1: news anchor, K you r M. That's an unfortunate for me.
Speaker 1: And he was a talk show host okay. He later
Speaker 1: wrote advice to people on how to live best. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he later wrote, quote, the most difficult question I
Speaker 1: have been asked is why did I not contact my family.
Speaker 1: I did try to keep up with where they were,
Speaker 1: even driving to Indiana and Pennsylvania on two separate occasions. However,
Speaker 1: I feared making any contact, believing that there was always
Speaker 1: the possibility that it might lead whoever was responsible for
Speaker 1: my abduction in Maine, New York directly to me and
Speaker 1: to them. I would want to be with my family.
Speaker 1: I love them, I do, but I'm really worried that
Speaker 1: this unnamed person no one has ever seen might harm them.
Speaker 1: And you have to Understandsion. Is he still sticking to
Speaker 1: the abduction story? Not is he sticking to it, but
Speaker 1: he is hinging everything. He's like, oh yeah, this is
Speaker 1: I'm these are good decisions I'm making. He's arguing, unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the rational, believable choice. Unice declares him dead,
Speaker 1: has him declared? Unice is like he left. I don't
Speaker 1: know where he is, he said to me. And then
Speaker 1: she eventually remarried, moved on with her life. In lar
Speaker 1: Rose as ken Williams, he went on this ten day
Speaker 1: trip to Israel that he said, quote changed my life
Speaker 1: and my entire way of understanding the Bible holds effects
Speaker 1: like oh I saw the side seeing Bethlehem in my
Speaker 1: own eyes. Yeah, suddenly it was like, you know, the
Speaker 1: angels saying two thousand one lar Rose as ken Williams,
Speaker 1: he gets appointed mayor of Centerton, Arkansas population appointed. Why
Speaker 1: was he appointed? I was curious about that. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you asked. Why did he get appointed Elizabeth Center
Speaker 1: to his previous mayor, Mike Wakefield. He got busted for vandalism,
Speaker 1: public intoxication, and resisting arrest, and then he took a
Speaker 1: plee deal and then he resigned. I wonder, well, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you. I can tell you the whole long drama
Speaker 1: with that. So Wakefield apparently was like the first mayor
Speaker 1: of the town who wasn't part of the same extended
Speaker 1: family that had been running things for that time. So
Speaker 1: the first thing Wakefield did as mayor was changed the
Speaker 1: locks on City Hall because he wanted to take inventory
Speaker 1: of the property before the Water and Sewer Commission removed
Speaker 1: money or items that didn't belong to them. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: the commission was formed only after Wakefield had defeated the
Speaker 1: incumbent mayor, Sherman Kenyon, who was also related to some
Speaker 1: of these commission members. So he's on his way out,
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, water and Sewer whatever, we'll call
Speaker 1: you this, go in fix this. Wakefield claimed that, Um,
Speaker 1: when he went in, like on his first day, he
Speaker 1: goes into the office, there's a calendar. His first day
Speaker 1: is January one, and they had written doomsday on that
Speaker 1: on the calendar. So he changes the locks. The town
Speaker 1: council responds by changing the bocks again and barring him
Speaker 1: from entering the building except for during business hours. Their
Speaker 1: own mayor, the Water and Steward Council power is locking
Speaker 1: city Hall from the mayor who has been appointed. Oh no,
Speaker 1: he was the one who was elected, right, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was elected. So then Wakefield, like he kept firing the
Speaker 1: police chief and then yeah, and then city council, the
Speaker 1: city council with then hiring back. It was like a
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth. April two thousand, Wakefield
Speaker 1: gets arrested for a d w I and then he
Speaker 1: later pleads guilty to it. Oh he actually wasn't. And
Speaker 1: then later that month that he played guilty. On Halloween night,
Speaker 1: he vandalized an opponent's campaign sign while drunk. I think
Speaker 1: he was driven to drink by this. He allegedly spray
Speaker 1: painted the word family on the sign for an alderman
Speaker 1: who was running for re election, and then apparently yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're all like in the same family, had all
Speaker 1: the you know, extended family, his family family. You need
Speaker 1: to work on your tag Yeah, that's his tagging name.
Speaker 1: So he gets charged with criminal mischief, public intoxication, resisting arrest.
Speaker 1: He pleads guilty um and resigns, and that paves the
Speaker 1: way for Williams Uh later LaRose slash Williams. He gets
Speaker 1: properly elected and then like reelected again and again. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he's good at his job. The correct people like him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just he fits right in. He does what they
Speaker 1: want until he bicycles away from town. Let's let's take
Speaker 1: a break and chill out to some cool ads, and
Speaker 1: then when we come back, I'm gonna let you know
Speaker 1: how things went for old Mr Mayor. Thank you all right, Zaren?
Speaker 1: What's going on? It's now two thousand seven. I need
Speaker 1: to follow my taxes? Okay? Yeah? Don LaRose a k A.
Speaker 1: Ken Williams. He's mayor of the boomtown of Centerton, Arkansas.
Speaker 1: Did you know that Centerton is located in the quote
Speaker 1: rapidly growing Northwest Arkansas Region and that region is also
Speaker 1: known as the n w A region Northwest n w A.
Speaker 1: He's repp in the n w A in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven. One of Larose's family members thousand miles from
Speaker 1: Centerton and running. It's just poking around online, tootln's researching
Speaker 1: the LaRose family on the internet. And have I told
Speaker 1: you how much I love genealogy slipping? Yeah you have.
Speaker 1: And I've tried not to listen, but you keep branding.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop. I'm relenting this another one time.
Speaker 1: Like I can't get with the DNA testing. Have you
Speaker 1: done the DNA testing? No? I can't, But I can
Speaker 1: get with old documents, right, I like that and my
Speaker 1: family's genealogy so on my mother's side and on my
Speaker 1: father's side partially. So I have a pretty good sense
Speaker 1: that I need to do the DNA because we had
Speaker 1: a sense, right, I like the I like all the
Speaker 1: old documents, and like they're constantly putting up new scans
Speaker 1: and these things, so like you know, new things are
Speaker 1: popping up. Um, but you know ship manifests and saying
Speaker 1: asylum records that's my chance. Um, well there's some like
Speaker 1: there's something that I want to look at, but I
Speaker 1: actually have to go places in person to like archive
Speaker 1: records like insane asylum records. I'm not kidding. So for
Speaker 1: the lar Rose family member, though, all they had to
Speaker 1: do is aggressive googling. You know, they discovered Don the
Speaker 1: Rose dot com. It's not a super common name, right,
Speaker 1: Don the Rose Williams, what are you doing to me? Man? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Don the Rose nowhere to be found in
Speaker 1: real life. But there's a whole website about him because
Speaker 1: they wanted to keep his influencing, not like an unsolved
Speaker 1: mysteries thing where they're like, whatever happened to do? It's
Speaker 1: his website. It's this man it's his website for his
Speaker 1: books and his letters and stuff. So the family member
Speaker 1: looks up who owns this website? Right, it's a guy
Speaker 1: named Ken Williams in Arkansas. Yea. And they're like, well,
Speaker 1: what other things is this Ken Williams own. Oh, he
Speaker 1: owns ken Williams Ministries dot org. Guess what the guy
Speaker 1: at the first time. But the two websites are like
Speaker 1: identical except for different color schemes, but like the layout
Speaker 1: is the same. It's amazing. He's totally lazy. So the
Speaker 1: family members they call the local paper instead of the police.
Speaker 1: They're like, we're just gonna get this. Actually the story
Speaker 1: at this time, tell them about the discovery boom story
Speaker 1: takes off, So they called the Benton County Record. They
Speaker 1: pulled the most amazing Mike Wallace level journalistic bust on this,
Speaker 1: and they're the radust. I love these, Okay. So November
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, three reporters from the Benton County Daily
Speaker 1: Record they confronted the man that they believed to be
Speaker 1: Williams about the Rose connection. Right, initially, he denies it.
Speaker 1: One of the reporters was Jennifer Turner. Quote, I said,
Speaker 1: I believe you were Don the Rose turner said. She said,
Speaker 1: she told him there's no way around it. We're going
Speaker 1: to run a story. So she They put him on
Speaker 1: the spot. Right, They knew they were onto something. They
Speaker 1: keep investigating. He denies it. They pulled up old news reports,
Speaker 1: they find photos. They stayed on the story. They go
Speaker 1: back to his office the next day at the mayor's office.
Speaker 1: But he has to show up certain places. They know
Speaker 1: he's going to be at the city council meeting. They're
Speaker 1: they're right there. They show him the evidence. They tell him,
Speaker 1: all right, go online, type in Don the Rose dot com.
Speaker 1: They make him open the website right there. He does it.
Speaker 1: He looks at it. He's like, anything about this, It's
Speaker 1: not me. And then that that evening he calls them
Speaker 1: to the reporters. He calls him as like, come over
Speaker 1: to my house. Let's talk. So the reporters are all right,
Speaker 1: they show up at his house. He says, I am
Speaker 1: Don the Rose, I am Ken Williams, I'm every woman.
Speaker 1: I contain multitudes um. He said he told him everything,
Speaker 1: but did he did not? So he he said that
Speaker 1: he built Don the Rose dot com to bring attention
Speaker 1: to his story and his case for the cops. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for the cops. And then he told reporters that because
Speaker 1: authorities hadn't believed him, his quote biggest frustration was that
Speaker 1: the system did not work and actually worked against me.
Speaker 1: He's the victim of all. So he said. He feared
Speaker 1: that his confession might put his family in danger. Of course,
Speaker 1: his second wife, Pat, she said she loved him and
Speaker 1: she'd stand by him. She said, quote He'll always be ken,
Speaker 1: So she's fine whatever, wait, okay, all right, yeah, so
Speaker 1: um whatever, he's like, I'm ken, I'm don just deal
Speaker 1: with it. November twenty one, two thousand seven, he confesses.
Speaker 1: After the article comes out uh LaRose slash Williams, he
Speaker 1: resigns as mayor of Centerton. He says he doesn't have
Speaker 1: the credibility to do it anymore. His resignation letter he
Speaker 1: signed with both of his names. I'm going to be
Speaker 1: two people. He told papers though, that he wanted it.
Speaker 1: He's going to stick in town. He's not going to
Speaker 1: move quote maybe even serve on city boards, commissions or
Speaker 1: in a volunteer position like he's loving this. His father,
Speaker 1: Don's father still alive. Um was then living in a
Speaker 1: senior home facility. He said he had no interest in
Speaker 1: talking to his son, wanted nothing to do with him,
Speaker 1: but then later changed his mind, and then the two
Speaker 1: of them spoke on Thanksgiving that year. I have no
Speaker 1: idea what they spoke about. LaRose slash. Williams also wanted
Speaker 1: to see his two daughters. I hope they did not.
Speaker 1: Unice was apparently quote embittered about the situation. I think
Speaker 1: that's an understate. But he has a grandson that he
Speaker 1: had never met and who said quote wasn't embarrassed by it,
Speaker 1: and that you know, quote, I'd like to talk to him.
Speaker 1: So he's got a grandson who's like, yeah, I'll give
Speaker 1: crazy Grandpa. I mean, I have to give these people
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for being so forgiving and a
Speaker 1: living according to their faith because they are. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: the grandson told the local Indiana press, quote, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's crazy or if he's lying to everybody
Speaker 1: about this satanic attack and all these threats. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he just didn't want to pay child support
Speaker 1: and disappeared or what happened. So you got this chill grandson.
Speaker 1: He's like, whatever, I'll hear about no word from the
Speaker 1: daughters that like good riddens units is just Unice has
Speaker 1: been through a lot, so she got a new man.
Speaker 1: Even though LaRose slash william had been using a dead
Speaker 1: man's Social Security number. Since he'd been contributing to Social Security,
Speaker 1: he was still entitled to receive benefits when he retired.
Speaker 1: He gets Ken Williams benefits and he gets the city pension.
Speaker 1: Wait does he also get his own? Does he get
Speaker 1: to ships? Probably? Yeah? Late two thousand seven, early two
Speaker 1: thousand eight, he gets hired back by his former employer
Speaker 1: k u r M KERM KERM Radio. Listen into KERM Radio.
Speaker 1: Can they give him the five to seven am First
Speaker 1: Hour and breakfast show slots? He gets the drive time slot?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Now? If you go to Ken
Speaker 1: Williams Ministries dot org, which is still live, he says
Speaker 1: he retired from KERM in what is he doing now?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you getting ready to leave a wife. May
Speaker 1: two thousand eight, he changed his name legally to Bruce
Speaker 1: ken Williams was like, I've got more monogrammed robe. In
Speaker 1: August of two tho he does get charged with second
Speaker 1: degree forgery for fraudulently signing various documents quote including tax
Speaker 1: returns government documents and election documents between two thousand and
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight using the name Bruce Kent. I
Speaker 1: wonder if they can get him on that. That's a
Speaker 1: serious that's like, you know, like if you're doing mail fraud,
Speaker 1: like you'll get twenty years on some vote stuff. That's
Speaker 1: so the charge was punishable up to ten years in prison,
Speaker 1: and they waived his bail because he wasn't considered a
Speaker 1: flight risk, although did they take his bike. So he
Speaker 1: initially he pleads not guilty, but then he changes his
Speaker 1: flea to guilty for fraudulently signing government documents with an
Speaker 1: assumed name. And the prosecutor in the case said, quote,
Speaker 1: we really don't know why he did this. He does.
Speaker 1: His own attorney said, quote, in my almost twenty three
Speaker 1: years of practice, this is one of the most unusual
Speaker 1: cases I've ever handled. The thing that gets me is,
Speaker 1: you know what the time we talked about these criminals,
Speaker 1: and there's a clear thing they're trying to get or
Speaker 1: to get away from, or too there is some gain
Speaker 1: or some loss. In this case, there is nothing that
Speaker 1: I can hear other than he just got away for
Speaker 1: a moment. I mean, like bro you're thought of a
Speaker 1: vacation and they have these things where you can get
Speaker 1: away for your friend doesn't change his life. He just
Speaker 1: goes and get repeat. Yeh. So he didn't have a
Speaker 1: criminal history. So he gets sentenced to five years probation,
Speaker 1: hundred hours of community service and in fine and costs.
Speaker 1: So he asked, He's like, hey, can I do my
Speaker 1: community service um in a park at a park in
Speaker 1: Centerton And the city council is like, no, get out
Speaker 1: of here, dude. They won't let him do it. So
Speaker 1: he can request at like after five years probation, right,
Speaker 1: he could ask to have his his record expunge because
Speaker 1: he didn't have any priors. I don't know if that
Speaker 1: ever happened, Like I said earlier though both so I
Speaker 1: told you right. Ken William's website still active. The bio
Speaker 1: um on the website for Ken Williams mentions nothing of
Speaker 1: his life is don the Rose zero zero mentions, zero reference.
Speaker 1: It's really weird, like he has a bio about what
Speaker 1: he's done in his life. I'm just so confused and
Speaker 1: what motivates behavior with a very little payoff. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: does tell the story of his retirement. He said he
Speaker 1: was putting a roof on his barn, and that he
Speaker 1: was in pain like as he was working and kept
Speaker 1: getting worse and worse, and then it didn't go away.
Speaker 1: And they later discovered that he had an inoperable malignant
Speaker 1: tumor on his spine. So he had radiation and that helped.
Speaker 1: But they're like, you know, it's not going away, it's
Speaker 1: still going to grow. So then some people from Colombia
Speaker 1: came to his church and because there's a huge Hispanic
Speaker 1: population at the church, and the lady prayed over him
Speaker 1: and the tumor disappeared. That's what he said. That's what
Speaker 1: he said. What did the doctor said? Web site says
Speaker 1: he's still cancer for he said his doctor said he's
Speaker 1: cancer free. All right, fine, I believe it. Whatever. But
Speaker 1: there's also don LeRose dot com that's still active and
Speaker 1: it's it's changed. You can look on the way back
Speaker 1: machine and see earlier versions. And I thought you were
Speaker 1: gonna say that the cancer tumor is like putting pressure
Speaker 1: on his spine and making him weird, like some people
Speaker 1: have tumors in their brains and the defensive humor changes
Speaker 1: where I thought this was going Nope, No, he's just like, well,
Speaker 1: the Lord took my tumor um. Don Le Rose website
Speaker 1: still active. He says on there that he's an old
Speaker 1: man and he needs donations for all the books that
Speaker 1: he provides for free on his site. He's written all
Speaker 1: these books and he puts them up there, and he's like,
Speaker 1: if you like him, download him, but you gotta, you know,
Speaker 1: give me a little donation, you know whatever, cash your
Speaker 1: money order, um. And he has a Don L. Rose
Speaker 1: email on address on there, and on the Ken Williams
Speaker 1: there's a Ken Williams email dress. Did you write to them?
Speaker 1: Send an email to email. I'm so scared, dear Don L.
Speaker 1: Rose to send it to Kenny Williams. I'm Don Le
Speaker 1: Rose to him. You're taking Don the Rose. Apparently he's
Speaker 1: still out there living in the liminal space between two identities. Well,
Speaker 1: I've got a new name for signing into hotels, Don
Speaker 1: the Rose. What what is that? Your ridiculous takeaway? What's
Speaker 1: your takeaway is faith is a hell of a drug.
Speaker 1: In this regard, this man is just like apparently willing
Speaker 1: to forgive himself all over the place. I have to
Speaker 1: assume that's what allows him to do. This is like
Speaker 1: he's willing to expunge his own record. Well it's not him, right, okay.
Speaker 1: On his website, UM, here's what I think is interesting
Speaker 1: about him. Um, he talks on his website. This is
Speaker 1: on the Ken Williams like so he he talks on
Speaker 1: his website a lot about love and sin and redemption.
Speaker 1: He says he's going to explain the Bible thing. Yeah so,
Speaker 1: in his life he kind of confesses to everything he did,
Speaker 1: but not completely. It is obvious to everyone he was
Speaker 1: not abducted. He won't let that go. He's maintaining that.
Speaker 1: Yeah so, But on his website he mentions none of
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff on this website, But his discourse
Speaker 1: about love seems to be solely between an individual and God.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, Well, there's there's nothing about your
Speaker 1: love of God, and no mention about love for fellow
Speaker 1: living things or doing good works for others. Nothing. And
Speaker 1: the talk about redemption is only about making things right
Speaker 1: with God, not other people. Let me read to you
Speaker 1: from his website. Salvation is not like a pardon. A
Speaker 1: pardon simply forgives you of the consequences of your deed.
Speaker 1: God's salvation is much more than that. When God cleanses
Speaker 1: you with the blood of the Lamb, your sin is
Speaker 1: completely eradicated. Before God, you become as though you have
Speaker 1: never sinned. You are made holy. That doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: you will be perfect from that point on. It does
Speaker 1: mean that you are now a member of God's family,
Speaker 1: and as a member, you can come to your redeemer
Speaker 1: and ask for forgiveness for those times and those things
Speaker 1: which are short of the mark. A constant study of
Speaker 1: the Bible will help you understand more and more of
Speaker 1: what God has for you individually. He does have a
Speaker 1: plan for you, both now and an eternity. I think
Speaker 1: I don't understand now. Finally, the issue he's mistaken God's
Speaker 1: family for m Vin Diesel's family and fast and furious
Speaker 1: where that He's going to forgive you and all can be.
Speaker 1: You can live in this insane world, do whatever you
Speaker 1: want and then everything's forgiven because family, family. Well, it
Speaker 1: sounds an awful lot to me. Like he feels that
Speaker 1: since he's gotten it right with God, everything is cool
Speaker 1: exactly like that he made a vowed a unite and
Speaker 1: they created human beings together. That doesn't he doesn't care,
Speaker 1: I mean he has He's kind of yeah, but he
Speaker 1: sticks with that whole. Do you think he stands to
Speaker 1: get God's attention? Maybe, but he abandoned his entire family.
Speaker 1: He is so cold. Yeah, so I think that's something
Speaker 1: he maybe needs to take up with God. That's something
Speaker 1: you gotta get right with that one. It's just such
Speaker 1: a weird He's this pastor. He thinks he's directing people,
Speaker 1: but this is this is a very toxic, ego driven
Speaker 1: version of whatever he's got going on. There's not a
Speaker 1: lot of Christian love. And I'm fairly certainly if Jesus
Speaker 1: came back to Earth and he was like talking to
Speaker 1: Don the Rows, He's like, look, man, I think you've
Speaker 1: made some misunderstandings of my work. And then Don the
Speaker 1: Rose slash Williams would be like, look a Satanist and
Speaker 1: then haven't turned around. That's it. My mom will getting
Speaker 1: that cross. That's all I like that. I don't have
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