WEBVTT - The Pastor Has Two Faces: Don LaRose 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:04.720 Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio. Hieron. Yeah, 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.000 what's up, Elizabeth Donton? How you doing girl? Pretty good? 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.639 Pretty good? You know it's ridiculous. Oh yes, I've just 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:12.800 heard about this thing. Have you ever tried to fight 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:16.479 a peck of pickled pipers? Like drunk fight? Yeah, like 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:21.440 drunk bagpipers? No. Well, in on Febuary there was these 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:25.840 two cats Callum Graham and Alan gil Ruth. I'm saying 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.360 that because they're Scottish and Prounce her name. They're about 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.000 twenty five and they have been going to a Violentine's 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.120 Day wedding in Broxton, Scotland. How mu sure if you 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.240 know who that is. Anyway, afterwards they hit up with McDonald's, 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:43.240 McDonald's and McDonald's. This is, by the way, at three 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.520 thirty in the morning. And the trouble was, I don't 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.240 know why they have McDonald's at three thirty in the morning. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:51.240 That's why it's fun over there. So anyway, the trouble 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.040 was that two men they're dressed up as Highland pipers, right, 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.760 and they have their bagpipes with them and as I 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.280 told you, it's about four am in the morning and 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.200 go into the McDonald's. They're drunk, they're pipers. They have 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.039 their bagpipes with them. Select do I think they do 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:11.480 a last? Did they strike up the flowers? Scotland is 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:15.160 just like violently reverberating throughout the whole place. They piped 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.920 up and then the other diners were like, I came 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.440 to McDonald's at four am just for my cheeseburger, not 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:22.840 for the music, lads. And then the pipers like, you 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:27.039 keep it down, so they started assaulting verbally the other diners. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.080 The diners getting mad, turn on them. Four drunk Scots 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.920 come over and try to attack the pipers. The pipers 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.080 they're down for it. They start swinging back and they 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:40.399 put down four guys. These two drunk pipers put down 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.040 four other men who were roughly about their same age, 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.959 and uh, the four guys who were all like, you know, 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.400 suddenly having a much worse time, they all get arrested. 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.680 And UM, I just wanted to know, since you've been 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.040 to Scotland, what do you say at that point to 0:01:54.080 --> 0:02:03.000 a drunk piper, like that's good, that is ridiculous, that's 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.440 very ridiculous, good job, thank you. Um you want to 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.359 know what else is ridiculous girl. I love ridiculous trying 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:32.080 to be two people at once. M hmm. This is 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:36.600 Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:44.320 and cons. It's always murder free and one ridiculous. Zaren, Elizabeth, 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.120 I want to talk to you today about Satan. Thank you. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.920 I have been waiting for so long for you to 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.560 say that. Who just always like, Oh, I would like 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:54.640 to talk about February. Oh, I'd like to talk about 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.080 spring flowers. Oh, I'd like to talk about baking doughes. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.040 I'm like, yeah, what do you get to Satan? Satan 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:03.040 by the Shawn Wells recommended this story to us via email. 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:06.440 It's a solid, solid tip. So anyway, Satan Hale, Satan, 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.600 thank you, Sean. Let me start with this. Don Larrose 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.680 he was a minister at the first Baptist church in Maine, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.400 New York, Main New York. That's a city in New York, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:25.040 not both mainamed in Main New York. Elizabeth October from Ohio, Pennsylvania. 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:31.519 Um LaRose. He gives these talks at his church about 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.680 the work of Satan. I hear they do. That is 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.960 they're always on about Satan and not long after that, 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:45.760 he called the cops. Wait, Satan did uh? Don Learrose says, 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.120 I'm getting threatening letters and phone calls because of my 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.880 Satan talks talking about Satan. And then suddenly now he's 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:56.320 got Yeah. So the first letter he gets reads, Reverend 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.720 Larrose for blasphemy against Satan. I condemn you to the 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.960 wrath of Lucifer, Son of the Morning, ruler of this 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:07.000 world and victor over all opposing forces. I have to say, 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.640 I have never thought of Lucifer or Satan whoever, as 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.880 the son of the Morning like I do sometime things 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.600 like a morning guy. I don't know. Maybe that's some 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.400 of the lingo and the you know. He gets another 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.440 letter that says that his blood is required for a sacrifice. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:25.839 It's like an invoid. So then two other pastors from 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.800 nearby Baptist churches, they start getting threatening letters and phone calls. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.640 Look what happened when he started giving these Satan talks, 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.320 telling you speak the Devil's name, and look what happens. 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:43.880 November four, Don LeRose disappears. So he did. He tells 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.160 his wife earlier that day that something odd was happening 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.640 like that you can feel it. Well, yeah, he gets 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.520 a phone call and it's telling him that one of 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:57.080 the congregants is having an operation, and so he has 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.920 to get to the hospital, okay for like spiritual sucker. 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.520 And he gets to the hospital and there's nothing on 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:07.320 the schedule, no operation. The devil played a trick on him. Yeah. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.479 Just after noon that day, the church's secretary, she sees 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.320 Don LaRose in the church parking lot as he's taking 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.560 his lunch break. I like to picture him like squatting 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:22.520 behind his car, really like why do you like him? 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.080 Let me finish, Let me finish, eating like a really 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.320 soggy tuna sandwich in a really animalistic way, like a 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.120 like a raccoon or a squirrel. It's just in his 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:36.159 fast and he was forcing into his face. He was 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.720 just like a little tiny fingers graveling, shoving the tu Yeah. 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.239 So the church secretary looks like Don's having his lunching, 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.440 having his raccoon break, and that was the last time 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:51.800 anyone saw him. I didn't see back coming. That was 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.600 on purpose. Um. He gets reported missing the next just 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.080 after midnight the next day on November Do they have 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.279 to wait the twenty four hours? Always sent? Cool? I 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.840 heard that doesn't Um, I'm just gonna start. I'm not 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.520 gonna wait forty eight hours anymore to report people missing. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.720 Someone ten minutes late, I just call the police like 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:16.680 they're missing. So his wife Donlerose, not Sandwich. His wife 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.880 was named dom Rose to his wife do a w 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:26.360 don and do no don? Okay, his wife Don's wife. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.719 And then some of the people from the church. They're 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.240 going around to all the hospitals trying to find out, 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.880 like is he But the thing is they tell people 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.039 we went to the hospital's not because they thought was 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:40.080 he was injured? Is he there praying on people? Not praying? 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:47.760 You're really messing with these hominys with today, creeping down 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.240 the hallway looking for an open door. He's like the 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:54.200 doors open. He's perched on top of the order comes in. 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.800 He's been talking about Satan too much, um, praying for people. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.640 You know? Is he there? No, he's not. They go 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.080 driving on all the back roads looking for his car. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:14.000 Is the seventies maybe he got skyjacked? So um he 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.800 had was part of the way writing the last of 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:23.800 his Satan lectures, called Satan's First Assault on the Earthly Realm, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:30.960 that was half finished in his typewriter. So early the 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.360 morning of November six. The next day, please are just 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.600 kind of like poking around looking for stuff, just let 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.680 a little sticks. They find his ride. He has this 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:43.360 sweet ass ride in nineteen seventies station wagon panel on 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:47.080 the side, abandoned at a bus station in Binghamton, New York, 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.960 which was nearby. So they find the car at a 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.040 bus station. His family is like, you know what, he's healthy. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:57.400 We haven't noticed any changes in how he's behaving. There's 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.640 there are no issues at the church, issues at home, 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.680 so there's no money issues, and they're like running down 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.600 their checklist. He hardly had any life insurance. He had 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.800 just like a little policy other than Satan. He has 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:13.440 no rivals, none, just Satan. Uh no debt. Says everything's happy. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.760 The investigation they find no sign of like an affair 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:21.080 or anything. Um just got two kids love him. Neighbors 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.520 described him as quote the happiest man on the street. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.560 That's always a tell, right, most of the people, right, 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.720 they're like, well, you know what, I know what happened 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:35.959 Satan worshippers, Yeah, probably yeah. So for ten weeks, a 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.520 hundred and forty members of the church met and prayed 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.760 daily for his return. A hundred and forty people got 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.000 together every day every day from ten weeks so two 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:49.800 and a half months, hundred forty people met daily. How 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.720 much time that is, Yes, that's a lot. If I 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.360 was like a contractor doing the man hours of like 0:08:55.440 --> 0:09:00.440 this job, Yeah, I'm looking at a that's a deep investment. Um. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.199 The church offered ten thousand dollar reward for information leading 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.640 to his safe return, but they'd only give you five 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:08.800 k if you could just tell him where the body was. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.400 So that's the up it. You just got a pot 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.880 for years half And then they also hired private investigator 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:18.440 how much for just a body part to prove he's 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.679 still around, But they didn't disclose that they hire some 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.839 private investigators. Let me let me back up and tell 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.600 you a little bit more about Don the Rose. So 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:32.320 he was born in Pennsylvania in Kentucky, Pennsylvania. He grew 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:37.720 up in the Lancaster Lancaster Lancaster, Pennsylvania area. He said 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.280 his parents were both Pennsylvania Dutch and that as a 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.320 kid he spent a lot of Yeah exactly, he spent 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.160 a lot of time with the Pennsylvania Duchess kids. He 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.800 said that he had an accent. They do they have 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.480 that area has a nominal accent? Yeah, he had, he 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.040 wrote out like he you'll find later, he wrote out, 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.040 and finally then I've us a little kid. This is 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:06.480 the vey my English come out, the translation when I 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:07.880 was a little kid. This is the way my English 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:12.600 come out. So he wrote out his access. He spoke 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:17.360 with an accent. So he went to the Moody Bible 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:22.240 School in Chicago, the Moody Blues Bible School. Um, and 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.600 that's where he met his wife, Eunice, And he didn't graduate. 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.760 He left after three years before he finished, goes back 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:32.360 to Lancaster, works with an organization called Youth for Christ. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.000 Sounds like a front group of up. Yeah, no, he 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:41.400 it's He then worked at Christian radio stations one in Indiana, Wisconsin, 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:45.439 Baltimore and bouncing around the Christian radio Okay, yeah, he's 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:51.920 just like becomes like U in ight. He moves to Syracuse, 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.080 New York, and he helps start a Christian radio station 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.200 there and becomes a station manager. His life is like 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.800 pretty straightforward boring at this point. You know, comes from 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.040 this strong Family's got like a faith based career and 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.320 his faith is strong. I'm not one to buy into 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:13.440 the whole Satanic panic thing. So it's unlikely that Satan 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:17.440 just got wind of his anti Satan servants and wanted revenge. Plus, 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.880 it's like if anyone's paying attention to this, like yeah, 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:23.719 and also from what I've known, and I've known a 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.959 couple of Satanist or like you know, that modern Church 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.679 of Satan where they're basically just you know, like I 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.560 don't want to say it, like cantankerous types who just 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.720 want to be like right, well, they have this approach 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.320 to that I'm like when they describe Satanism, it's all 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.520 about like, you know, being able to do whatever you want, 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.600 people care what you're doing. They're they're really care there, 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:47.440 seem to be really focused on religious civil liberties and 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.200 being kind of like smugly intellectual about everything. So what 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.560 happened to Don LeRose if we've ruled that out, Remember 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.640 when I said the church hired private investigators? Yes, well, 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.520 a year after he went missing mid January ninety six, 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.000 the church terminates its relationship with him and the prayer 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:09.319 meetings stopped. So they found him. Well, yeah, not quite. 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.040 The head deacon of the church said that their investigation 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:18.200 showed that Larrose had planned his own disappearance. So those 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.719 threatening letters with the cut out words, right, those were 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:24.400 created with words cut from the trade magazine called Broadcasting, 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:32.920 and yes he was. One of the other words came 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:38.079 from the first Baptist Church's newsletter. So he's just working 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.240 with what he knows. The people who show up on 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.000 this show because they get caught. I'm always like just 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.320 so tickled by, Like, look, you had this grand plan 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.120 and then you decided I'm just going to use the 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.960 closest available things. The only thing that's going to be 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:55.280 evidentiary exactly, no thoughts. Um, the letters and phone calls 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.280 that he and the others got, those would arrive on Wednesdays, 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.240 and that's the day he taught his satan us. And 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:05.600 then I guess what happened after he disappeared. Um, satan 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:10.160 stuff stopped. Yeah, the letters in the call stop. Yeah. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.880 And it was also discovered that earlier that year, LaRose 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:18.319 had purchased carry on luggage and cash some stock, taking 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:22.040 a cash advance. He was likely carrying around forty hundred 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.520 bucks at the time you've been taking Portuguese lessons and 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.920 studying about Brazil, but that he had around a little 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.920 over twenty two dollars on him in Today's in Today's money, 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:37.880 Today's money, Zarin, Elizabeth, I want you to close your eyes, Okay, 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.120 I want you to picture it. You're not going to 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:44.960 any stating stuff, are you. Maybe it's the middle of 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:51.679 February nine. You're a cool team captain of the football team. 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.839 You're hanging out Where are you laughing? I'm sorry on 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.360 You're hanging out at home one afternoon, listening to funky 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.640 tunes on the radio Plunk Railroad. You're flipping through the 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:06.000 latest issue of your favorite magazine, Christianity Today. Oh, I 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.880 thought were gonna say, hot Rod that you. As you 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.400 pruse the articles, your eyes are drawn to a photo. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:16.400 It's a picture of the congregation of the Plymouth Brethren Church. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.880 I see and they're staring back at you. Is the 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.640 face of your missing pastor, Don le Rose, except he's 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.560 captioned as a man named Bruce Williams that down the road. 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.440 You're pretty sure that it's Don don the Rose. You 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.400 scamper into the den and you alert your family. You 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.960 asked them if they think it's also the missing pastor 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.680 to look at this. Your mother gasps, your father lets 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:45.160 out along exhale. The man your whole family has been 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.040 spending so much time and money searching for is right there, 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:53.080 miraculously delivered back to you to his loving flock. So 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.560 your parents they alert the other members of the church, 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.520 and those people contact the good people at Plymouth Brethren, 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:06.240 the wholesome Minnesotan's at Plymouth Brethren. They spring into action 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.520 and they arranged for a reunion with lar Rose's wife 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.960 and his parents. So the only problem is that LaRose 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.000 claimed to not remember anything about his past life. The 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.320 people at the church really guess what we found out 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.680 who you really are. You can't do that. No, that's 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.040 like waking up a sleepwalker. Don't do that. So he claims, 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:28.960 he's like, you know what, I woke up in a 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:32.400 box car in Minneapolis with a key in my pocket 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.680 and work that he just happened to fit a nearby building. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.360 I woke up in a box car in Minneapolis. He 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.920 had a birth certificate for Bruce Williams on him and 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:44.440 because of that he was able to go get a 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.520 Social Security card. He said, my abductors gave it to me, 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.280 and they're like, wait on, my abductors, this is the 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.920 first we're hearing about this. Bruce Kent Williams, he was 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.280 a guy from New York, from an area not far 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:01.000 from where Larrose was living in New York, Connecticut, Maine, 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.560 New York. Yeah, he was like a twenty year old 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:08.120 who died in a car accidentth certificate scale completely so. 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:13.760 November twelfth, five before Larote, before he gets exposed LaRose, 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.560 he shows up at this Christian rescue mission in Minneapolis. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.400 He agrees to join the Plymouth Brethren Church. He tells 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.960 the church members he doesn't know anything about the Bible. 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.960 This is what is this thing? This is so cool? Um. 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.360 He claims his parents had been killed in the car accident, 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.600 and that his wife and children had left him because 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.240 he was an alcoholic. And then he told his landlady 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.440 that he was a salesman who worked with his father 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.880 and he was spending Christmas with his parents. He's just 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.400 telling stories. Church members. They get him a job as 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.760 a dishwasher in the church, and then his family shows up. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.680 Right after this is all exposed, his family comes. Um, 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:53.400 He's like, I have no idea who these people are. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:59.760 Who are you again, I don't know? Yeah, their kids. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.800 So they sent him to a psychiatric facility in Pennsylvania. 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:07.240 Case closed, Danne, thanks for listening now, um, So L 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.800 Rose and his family, they're trying to piece it together. 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:15.520 He's given truth serum, he claims, like sodium amatal um, 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.960 and they said it's going to help him recover those memories. 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.520 But this to be a gap. He also told everyone 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.640 he was having shocked treatments get out. Yeah, but when 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.879 he gets his memory back, he's able to tell people 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:30.760 some stuff about his abduction. When we come back. I 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.120 don't believe he's just willing to endure this thing. When 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.680 we come back, I'll let you know what happened to 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:38.680 Pastoral A. Rose. I'm on the edge of my seat, 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:02.000 all right, Saron. When we left off, Don Lrose had 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:06.920 been rescued from his post abduction life in Minnesota. He's 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.879 piecing together these recovered memories. You know, he's like starting 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.280 to share his story a little bit. He claims that 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.040 on November four, six, that day that we saw him 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.520 eating the tuna, sang forcing his face like an angry raccoon, 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.080 that a man came into his office at the church 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.080 and the guy asked Larrose to come visit a buddy 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:31.840 of his who was sick. Yes, sure, said innocent La Rose. 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:36.280 I love praying over people, my second favorite thing to do. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.800 So they hop in l Rose's car and there's a 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.800 man with a gun in there waiting in his car. Yeah, 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.480 in his own car. So the two men they tell 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.400 him to drive until he gets out of town, right, 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.040 and then they forced him into a van and so 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.880 um the van. They first take him to Chicago. They 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.119 went a little trip, little road trip. You need to 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.000 see the country. Here's a bag of corn, let's enjoy yourself. 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:02.720 Then they go to Minneapolis and they set him free 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.359 like a little bird. Um. He said he was brainwashed 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.600 with an electric machine that was attached to his forehead. 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.439 What I know, I don't even know the movies he 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.000 must have watched throughout the fifties to come up with 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.040 this stuff. And then apparently they gave him a birth 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:23.040 certificate and a key to it was like a rehoming exercise, 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.520 Like he's like an injured woodland creature. Wait a second, 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:30.119 he's Gerald the turkey. He's been tagged and put him 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:34.080 in a cardboard box, tipped him. Why did this happen? 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:35.840 What was the purpose of it all? Why would these 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:39.560 people kidnap him and then release him after doing the brainwashing. 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.320 I'm going to go with the reason is that they 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.879 don't exist. They're not real, and they're alive. Well, right, 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:49.000 so he tells everyone the story makes no sense. Everyone's 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.120 just like, Oh, we're just so glad you're home. They don't, 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:55.800 they're not. They told themselves the story was true, and 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.280 then they just moved on. How how do you do that? 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.400 I don't I don't know either. So the family they 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:06.280 decided to move on. Literally, they in nineteen seventy seven, 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.159 they moved to Hammond, Indiana. They just pull up stakes. 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.840 They first visited the town on their way back from Minneapolis, 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:15.960 and I guess they liked it, like, you know, we 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:21.320 should just live here, like really good snacks. In nineteen 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.840 seventy eight, he becomes the pastor of Hessville Baptist Church, 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.280 and when he's there, he's like talking totally openly about 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.040 the kidnapping, and he talks about a few months of 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.440 his life that he spent as Bruce Kent Williams. He's 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:40.080 like he was delivered back to his family. Yeah, that 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.600 would make sense. He claims at the time that he 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.439 kept talking to police, like he kept trying to contact 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.200 law enforcement and asking them to investigate what happened. And 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:52.359 he then said, well that I was told if I 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:57.600 called them again, I'd be arrested for filing a false complaint. So, Zaren, 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:01.000 are you buying this story? I'm actually trying to return 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.359 it to the store. Someone brought it over as a gift. 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.439 They left it here and I'm like, can I return this? 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:10.159 So what is this deal? It's has the worst lies 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.240 and he's playing everyone like they're idiots. Well, here's the thing. 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:17.040 He amps up the drama, Laren, I have really bad 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:23.639 news for you. Don the rose done? Did it again? June? 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:30.440 He disappears again. Are you kidding me? He tells his wife. Listen, 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.000 I'm just gonna pop next door to the church. I 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.840 need to visit someone over there. No big you know, 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:39.439 Except he never came back. He's like a sax player 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:43.119 in the depression. What is going on with this? Well, okay, 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:45.520 so the night before when he was giving a sermon. 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:49.359 This is according to the church congregation. He is giving 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:51.399 a sermon, he suddenly stops and looks up at the 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:55.239 back of the room. No one else sees anything, and 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:57.439 then later he said that he saw one of the 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:01.040 Satanists through the window. So he's again with the Satanist thing. 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.359 Every time this boogeyman he's pulled. Everyone's like, oh, you know, 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:07.119 the state just like they don't they It's like a 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:11.520 shortcut where they stopped thinking. Right. So the congregation, they're 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:14.160 like concern when he doesn't show up for the regular 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:19.240 Monday morning meeting and they report him missing. And apparently 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.239 he has been working on a quote yet to be 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:25.000 published book about the evils of Satan and that manuscript 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:28.240 was missing too. Zaron, this is like last time with 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:33.000 the letter. So Larrose later when he was married to 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:38.639 the same first is going through this again again. So 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.080 he later on he said that he was told he 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:45.159 could either I don't know, I feel he's told that 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.639 he could either stay in Hammond and quote watch my 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.879 family die a painful death in front of my eyes, 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:52.639 or I could turn myself over to these people and 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:59.439 I would live what what? So he was worried that 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.120 the police wouldn't believe him that he was getting harassed 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.920 by Satanist again very good reason. So he did what 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.919 any rational person who wants to protect his family would do. 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.800 He hired some Satanists. Now he went to a nearby town. 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:14.760 He bought a bicycle, put on a backpack, and rode away. 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.760 He biked his way out of this whole thing. I'm 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:25.679 just gonna wheel on a squeaky ring. In two thousand 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:28.679 and seven, he told the press, quote, what happened in 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.440 nineteen eighty, Whether it was right or wrong, what I did, 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:34.199 I did it under threat for the safety of my 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.960 family and for our own survival. None of us would 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:38.960 probably be here today if I had not done that, 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.720 and there would be some bodies in some graves. Does 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:45.880 bank and tie his own shoes to just fell grow 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:49.920 two thousand seven, Keep that date in mind. So he's 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:51.800 saying that, you know, look, I didn't have a choice. 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.040 He said that after he left Indiana, after we rode 0:23:55.040 --> 0:24:02.040 out of Indiana his back. Now he moved from down 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:05.160 to town, he goes to Des Moines, Omaha, Denver. Cheyenne's 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:11.359 working odd jobs. Right. Um, he has a website, but 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:15.240 we'll get to that. But the two the two thousand 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:18.920 two version of it, which isn't he's taken this part down. 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.959 But I guess earlier this year and March he was writing, quote, 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:26.040 I have delivered newspapers over a seventy three mile route 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:29.439 each day, worked as an investigator of workmen's camp fraud 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:32.320 cases and helped build the inside of Dollar General stores 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:34.880 and do the initial stocking of the shelves, all while 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:38.639