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Speaker 1: you met my friend Wes. Welcome back to another edition

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Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan

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Speaker 1: Hansis and I am joined by a room filled with heroes,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up? Boys,

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Speaker 1: came in? Welcome Sunday night recap show. What a big

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Speaker 1: Sunday to talk about? Was a fun one. Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of NFL action. Uh, the NFL

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Speaker 1: never been better, or so I've been told to say.

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Speaker 1: Spread that that's the new slogan that we're getting that

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Speaker 1: the NFL is pushing out to the masses. That couldn't

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Speaker 1: be further from the truth. No, but that's you know,

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Speaker 1: I might bring it up in the next you know,

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Speaker 1: when they have those town halls. Uh, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: Got a new slogan we could push out there, the

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Speaker 1: NFL never been better. That would ignore like everything that's

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Speaker 1: happened in the last eleven months. Well, off the field,

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Speaker 1: you can make some on the field. That's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good product. People talk about the seventies. Oh yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: uh let's bring back, you know, twelve to seven with

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Speaker 1: no passing game that we ignore the officiating this year.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, was my other slogan that I

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Speaker 1: was working on, you probably would hate catch rule. Nailed it? No,

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Speaker 1: We have to replay that. That's true. This yea. So

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Speaker 1: this is the first week of the regular season, or

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Speaker 1: the way. And I think this is the week the

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Speaker 1: that's what matters. A lot of people view it that way.

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Speaker 1: And we had the three Thanksgiving games, of course that

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Speaker 1: you could actually check out an NFL now. Greg and

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Speaker 1: I recapped it Thanksgiving night. We won't recap the game

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Speaker 1: here on this show because we got more pertinent things,

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Speaker 1: more timely things to get to, which is the rest

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Speaker 1: good games to talk about here. We have one of

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Speaker 1: the best games of the season. I thought, Wes, you

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Speaker 1: A couple of minutes of Steelers and Seahawks a shootout

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Speaker 1: at the Century Link Field. Adrian Peterson. Uh, listen, a

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Speaker 1: few years ago he ran for two thousand yards, won

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Speaker 1: monster season. He did it again on Sunday, and Uh,

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Speaker 1: of course we're gonna talk about it was supposed to

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Speaker 1: be Brady Brady Manning Ball Bowl, potentially the last one

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Speaker 1: we didn't get it. It's brock Osweiler versus Tom Brady. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In snowy Denver, Sunday Night Football with Alan Chris Mark.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that too every Sunday, Al Chris

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Speaker 1: and Bob is the way Mark likes to put it.

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Speaker 1: For Bob Costas his number one dream day. I heard

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Speaker 1: from about one Twitter follower, then about one stood with

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Speaker 1: Costas is just about to get up on his soapbox

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Speaker 1: Bob Costas or I told it, I'm told that. I am. Okay, listen,

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Speaker 1: we'll pick this up the Bob Costas Podcast, one of

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Speaker 1: our offseason podcasts on our rapidly growing around the NFL network.

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Speaker 1: Um coming up in the off season. But now let's

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Speaker 1: get to games. Let's talk football. That's what we're here for.

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Speaker 1: Where the Around the NFL podcast? Damn it? And why

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Speaker 1: don't we start Chris Westling in Seattle? Because guess what?

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Speaker 1: Do not count out the Seahawks? If you do, you

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Speaker 1: A thirty nine to correct thirty shootout win over the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: it was. It's hard to say whether it was magnificent

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Speaker 1: It was one of Russell Wilson's best games I've ever

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Speaker 1: this year have we've seen the Seahawks win out right

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Speaker 1: Hoyer coming off a concussion, great game to come back into,

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Speaker 1: completes his first eleven passes and again, there's something spectacular

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Speaker 1: about Brian Hoyer. But he runs this offense very capably,

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Speaker 1: and they're getting a lot of different players to contribute.

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Speaker 1: I think he hit nine different receivers today. You know,

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Speaker 1: they've got no great running back to speak of, but

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Speaker 1: they managed to control the game on the ground at

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Speaker 1: times as well. New Orleans, it's their defense. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 1: Houston is probably soaring towards potentially a wild card spot

436
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Speaker 1: of some of these other teams tumble. But the bigger

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Speaker 1: issue for me is New Orleans. This team needs to

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Speaker 1: completely reboot the machine. If you are a Brian Hoyer fan,

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Speaker 1: this stat is the best possible statu you could use

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Speaker 1: as a trump card. He has started twenty two of

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Speaker 1: his team's previous forty three games. Of his last three games,

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Speaker 1: those teams are fourteen and eight with Hoyer in the

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Speaker 1: lineup and three and eighteen without Brian Hoyer. It makes

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Speaker 1: you think that, although give Bill Brian some credit for

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Speaker 1: at least realizing his mistake and apologizing to his team

446
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Speaker 1: for the Ryan Mallett misfire, but what would have happened

447
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Speaker 1: if they just let Hoyer play from September on? Maybe

448
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: they'd be all alone right now in first place. But

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Speaker 1: the point is he's playing well and he doesn't even

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Speaker 1: have to play that great because the defense. Again, listen,

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees and the Saints aren't Drew Brees and the

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Speaker 1: Saints anymore, or they haven't been for much of this season.

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Speaker 1: But that's still shutting this team down. No touchdowns. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Saints, they've been what they've been on offense for

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Speaker 1: so long that three hundred thirty straight games, the three

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Speaker 1: hundred or more yards snapped today, Drew Brees games with

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Speaker 1: a touchdown snap Today, it's starting to crumble because they

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Speaker 1: we heard all offseason, you want to you base this

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Speaker 1: offense around your run game. They gave mark Ingram nine carries,

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Speaker 1: and I get it. You're down early because Brian Hoyer

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Speaker 1: isn't afraid to throw the ball down field. You get

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Speaker 1: down into a fourteen nothing hole. But there was more

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Speaker 1: than three and a half quarters left. You could have

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Speaker 1: used ingram to get back in this game. It's the

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Speaker 1: best weapon. They have no semblance of a downfield pass attack. Well,

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Speaker 1: I feel like we've been spending most of the year

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Speaker 1: trying to come up with defensive Player of the Year candidates.

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Speaker 1: Josh Norman and Tyron Matthew are worthy. Luke Keith was

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Speaker 1: making a run, but J. D. Watt is still the

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Speaker 1: best player in the league, and this defense has given

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Speaker 1: up thirty five points in the last four games. J J.

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Speaker 1: Watt is on pace for twenty sacks again, and he

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Speaker 1: just became the second second youngest player ever to reach

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Speaker 1: seventy career sacks, beyond Reggie White. And I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he does remember one. He was waving at the Saints

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Speaker 1: huddle at one point. I think what I heard him

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Speaker 1: say was I'm gonna come get you. I think he

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Speaker 1: was talking to Breeze And on the very next snap

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Speaker 1: he came right into the backfield and if it had

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Speaker 1: not been for Breeze dumping the ball out the last second.

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Speaker 1: It would have been a sack. He had two more

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Speaker 1: later the completely ended Saints drives. He's erector. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear any more about the Saints defense and

484
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Speaker 1: Saints defensive coordinator. When when you don't score a touchdown,

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Speaker 1: that's Sean Payton's off and that hasn't been the same

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Speaker 1: this year. I mean, I think this is the lowest

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Speaker 1: they've scored in the Sean Payton era. This whole thing

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Speaker 1: thinks it's one of the worst coach teams in the

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Speaker 1: league right now versus one of the best. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you can say that about the Texans all season,

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Speaker 1: but what they did against the Jets when I rewatched

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Speaker 1: that game with the t J, I mean, they were

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Speaker 1: doing an excellent coaching job maximizing what they have. They've

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Speaker 1: been doing it for over a month. Every team they're playing,

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Speaker 1: they're shutting down all right. Moving forward, Matt Hasselbeck, Oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness, he cannot be defeated. The forty year old

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback improved a four and oh on the season

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Speaker 1: following win over the Buccaneers. Mark Sessler, Mark Edwards Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck is the only reason this Cult season hasn't

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Speaker 1: evolved into a total embarrassment. Well, if he met as

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Speaker 1: someone who's in my early forties, I could not be

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Speaker 1: happier with what Massill happened at Hasselbeck has done over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. You know, he looked better

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Speaker 1: this week that he did last week too. And I

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Speaker 1: I watched Andrew Luck on the sideline, and I think

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Speaker 1: that he's learning from watching these per fourman is hastleback

507
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Speaker 1: does not have the strongest storm in the league, but

508
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Speaker 1: he threw the ball all over the place today down

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Speaker 1: the stretch, second half, Dante Moncrief, huge game, t Y

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Speaker 1: hild Nick, Parrott touchdowns. I mean, they got the job done.

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Speaker 1: And you know what do you see like Andrew Luck

512
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Speaker 1: like rubbing his beer and like watching on the field

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Speaker 1: like it's a quarterback that's never had a chance to

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Speaker 1: watch anyone else from his position. And I think he

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Speaker 1: is learning because he's watching another Cults quarterback get hit

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Speaker 1: a lot and have no running game to help him.

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Speaker 1: Frank or what was it, It's like seventeen rushes for

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Speaker 1: twenty four yards. He was an absolute disaster. He couldn't

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Speaker 1: run the ball last week. It's it's like watching Trent

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Speaker 1: Richardson all over again. They have no ground game at all.

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Speaker 1: That I'm not saying that about Franco. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's having a great year. He started out. It is

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Speaker 1: the it is coming towards the end. Unless he's just

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Speaker 1: simply not healthy right now. He's he's he hurt them

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Speaker 1: over and over today. Frank or well, I know we're

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Speaker 1: and this part is not allowed to say anything about

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Speaker 1: Frank Gore. But it's like at the bottom line, no,

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Speaker 1: because it's like a couple, it's coming from Gore. Gore's

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Speaker 1: the one that said, don't say this about me. We'll

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Speaker 1: listen at this point if you go watch what he's

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Speaker 1: done today. I watched this game, and tell me what

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Speaker 1: you think about Frank Gore at this point in the season.

533
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Speaker 1: He's a liability and this team is going nowhere in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs if it if it counts on the ground game.

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Speaker 1: So you think brad Shaw has looked a lot better, No,

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Speaker 1: brad Shaw did not look a lot better. Like when

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Speaker 1: I watched the game last week, I thought the running

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Speaker 1: backs were the least of their problems, and in general,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Gore has been a problem, and they're

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Speaker 1: a terrible run blocking team in general, and they get

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Speaker 1: blown up. Their running game was not a benefit last week.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't disagree. More right, I agree, I think that

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Speaker 1: he was not a problem. They're not a benefit at

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Speaker 1: all today they were. Go watch this tape and tell

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Speaker 1: me that they're not. Let me break it down for you, Greg,

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Speaker 1: because you love Frank Gore inconvenient true, you coined that nickname.

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Speaker 1: I believe. Now, Okay, alright, al goreon Well obviously, Now

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Speaker 1: what Mark is saying is that despite all your statements

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Speaker 1: that he will never get old and not succeed, the

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Speaker 1: Marcus saying that that is untrue. Deal with that reality.

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Speaker 1: It's it's clear he's not He's not the same guy.

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Speaker 1: I want to come up with a list of the

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Speaker 1: people Marcus said as an absolute disaster. You gotta it

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Speaker 1: should be a sponsored segment, the absolute disaster of the

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Speaker 1: week football. There's failures every single week. These there's very

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Speaker 1: few players you can count on in a week to

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Speaker 1: week Basis and Francore right now, you can not one

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Speaker 1: of them can count on Westby and wrong about the

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Speaker 1: cults before the game, week after. We keep telling me

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Speaker 1: they're not a team. This team, if nothing else, If

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00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: nothing else, they have shown that they're good when they're behind.

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Speaker 1: I mean, every game they win, they were down by

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Speaker 1: ten points. Are you listening Dick's Sporting Goods, Mark's Disaster

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Speaker 1: of the Week. I've never heard somebody crows so much

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Speaker 1: about a six and five team. It was lucky to

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Speaker 1: win their first five games. How lucky If this season

567
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Speaker 1: ended today and one of these teams will definitely fall off.

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Speaker 1: But the Colts and Seconds are in. Texans don't have

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Speaker 1: to pass anymore. They're they're in now. They can win

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Speaker 1: their division or get in the wild cards. And saying

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Speaker 1: that both of them would be in the playoffs, they

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00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 1: had become this year's Bengals. Moving forward, Where were you

573
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: when Seth Roberts took over the universe? That's my question.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders wide receiver at six catches for a dred

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Speaker 1: and thirteen yards and two touchdowns to help lead the

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Speaker 1: Raiders over the Titans, Chris Wesling. Marcus Mariota did his

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Speaker 1: best to steal this game, but Derek Carr would not

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Speaker 1: be denied. Mariot to led a touchdown drive which let

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Speaker 1: the Titans up by a few points with four minutes ago.

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Speaker 1: Then Derek Carr answered with a nine play touchdown drive

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Speaker 1: of his own, the touchdown to Seth Roberts his second

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Speaker 1: of the game. Good game by him, but the difference

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Speaker 1: in this game was a difference in weapons between the

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Speaker 1: two quarterbacks. I mean, Carr played a great game but

585
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: went twenty minutes without a completion in the second half,

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Speaker 1: and Mariota just has no one to throw to beyond

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Speaker 1: Delaney Walker. It's the same story every week. Someone made

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Speaker 1: the point on Twitter. It's very similar watching the Titans.

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00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: You kind of think of the Raiders last year, a

590
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: good young quarterback that it has no help around him

591
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: and just needs a reboot. Well, I made that point

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00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: on the Thursday preview, and they made the point again today.

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00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: I think someone on Twitter. Someone on Twitter, not the

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00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: guy in the podcast anyway. Yeah, I just didn't want

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Speaker 1: to credit it, Rob Yeah, are you undermining Chris Wesley

596
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Speaker 1: because that's my corner. I didn't want to credit wrong

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00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: someone on Twitter. Well, last year, he's throwing to James Jefs.

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Speaker 1: By the way, James Jones undermined the Raiders offense last

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Speaker 1: year and is undermining the Packers offense this year and

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Speaker 1: kem Brell Tompkins. These are the guys that Derek Carr

601
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: was thrown to last year and now he's got Crabtree

602
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: who's making a boatload of money this year. I'm Ariad

603
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Speaker 1: Cooper had a good game today and Seth Roberts is

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00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: coming around. I hope we can finally stick a fork

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00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: in the Titans. I know that would be controversial. Maybe

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00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: we can bring the Redskins back, as Mark Sesso said downstairs,

607
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: and we should stick a fork in the fork. Yeah,

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00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: I agree the Chiefs, especially after By the way, Dion

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Speaker 1: Sanders our colleague, is that what we call him. I

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00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: don't know, we've never met man. But you know they

611
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: have this running segment now on NFL Network where there's

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00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: a big fork that comes out and they talk about

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00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: forking teams. Where are the residuals? Is that how business works?

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00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. Forks by NFL Network, Basically, I think, yeah,

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00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: the fork. It hasn't been a good year. The Redskins,

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Speaker 1: the Texans, the Chiefs, the Boston stock of NFL Network

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Speaker 1: larcinating as as of all, as of right now, we

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00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: would have three teams wrong. I guess all that matters

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Speaker 1: is what happens after week seventeen. That's true. Any other

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Speaker 1: thoughts on this game? Chris Westle Yeah, the Titans running

621
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: back stink more and more every week. David Cobble, what happened?

622
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: He was our boy? Yeah, he's terrible, so is Antonio Andrews.

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Speaker 1: B Raiders defense allowed a hundred and eighty nine yards

624
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: per game of the last three weeks and the Titans

625
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: couldn't move the ball at all. I'm glad the Raiders are.

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00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: They needed this. We needed the Raiders to stay in

627
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: the next little Yeah, it was a little fun to

628
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: keep him in the bag. Is a fine quarterback to watch.

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Speaker 1: He's got touch and a rifle arm. Not many guys

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Speaker 1: have both of us. Yeah, it was starting to get

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Speaker 1: a little depressing. Was getting Raiders the last couple of weeks,

632
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Speaker 1: get a couple of wins be in the mix. Around

633
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: Christmas time, it was like twenty seven teams with five

634
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Speaker 1: or six wins. So moving forward, Ryan Fitzpatrick trimmed the

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00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: beard and glory followed the quarterback through four touchdown passes

636
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Speaker 1: no turnovers on Sunday, quashing any talks of the Juneau

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Speaker 1: coaster reboot, a thirty eight win for the Jets over

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Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, who have lost any any Dan Campbell karma.

639
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: There's nothing left. This is basically the same team that

640
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: the Jets beat up on in London that sort of

641
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: felt like that any progress that they had made uh

642
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: is no longer there. So they are basically good. We

643
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: already stuck a fork in the Dolphins, but again, forget

644
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: about the Dolphins at four and seven, they're out of

645
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: the picture. And for the Jets, this was a very

646
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: big win there now six and five, and more importantly,

647
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: first of all, Fitzpatrick needed to play better after two

648
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: bad weeks, so it was big for him to play

649
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: well and mistake free football, get Brandon Marshall involved, which

650
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: he did. Eric Decker had another touchdown catch, so the

651
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: offense looked a lot better. But you also needed to

652
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: kind of cleanse themselves of what's been some poor play

653
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: for about five weeks. And this team reminded me a

654
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: little more of the Jets team that I thought was

655
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: good back in September and October. It gives a Jet

656
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: fan and this usually this ends a certain way, but

657
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: I tend to stay positive. There's a little more hope

658
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: now that maybe this team could get hot again with

659
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: the Giants up next, and we know the Giants have problems.

660
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: So it was a difference today as opposed to the

661
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: last month. Well, I thought it was interesting what Todd

662
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: Bowles said this week that you know, they they found

663
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: success on off the offense early in the year, uh,

664
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: by running the ball and then quick strike offense with passing,

665
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: no deep, not a lot of deep shots, ball control

666
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: type of scheme. And he called it they kind of

667
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: jumped from algebra to trigonometry by trying to put like

668
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 1: a deep deep more of a deep passing game element

669
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: to their offense, which is not Ryan Fitzpatrick's strength by

670
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: any stretch. Him and Marshall had a lot of trouble

671
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: also during that losing stretch with deep passes, so they

672
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: reigned it in a little bit. Uh, And I think

673
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: that was the big difference they went back to algebra.

674
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: Chris Ivory still doesn't really look like the same guy.

675
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: He had one really nice run today where he busted

676
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: five tackles on a thirty some some odd yard touchdown run.

677
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: But yes, the short passing. Fitzpatrick is not showing any

678
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: any issues with the thumb. They look good today, but

679
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: the Dolphins really was kind of hard because this this

680
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: Dolphins team. Ryan Ryan Tannehill. Guys, this guy might be

681
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: the all time garbage stats producer in the history of

682
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: the NFL. If you look at his numbers thirty three

683
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: for fifty eight three fifty one, three touchdowns and an interception.

684
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: The gulf between reality of what kind of game he

685
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: had and what his numbers look like and what fantasy

686
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: owners got Grand Canyon is the distance in the depend

687
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: We haven't buried him enough this year for this season

688
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: he's having. We haven't because when you watch him, he

689
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything that is offensive. He's just there. He's

690
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: playing at a Dalton scale level of performance. But then

691
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: he'll throw in like a really like one really bad

692
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: game every month or so. He doesn't offend you when

693
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: you're watching. He just doesn't do anything that lifts them.

694
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: What he what is he gotten better at doing since

695
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: he entered the league. He's still a bad deep thrower.

696
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: He's still his questionable pocket presence, and he only throws

697
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: short passes, and he's still very sensitive. After the game,

698
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: he got annoyed that Calvin Pryor he thought was celebrating. Well,

699
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: we have that actually Brandon behind the glass and if

700
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: you're watching on YouTube, you could watch this and you

701
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: can listen to it if you're an audio file. Uh,

702
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: can we listen to that Brandon or watch it? I

703
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: didn't notice it, honestly, I was just worried about Chard.

704
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: I heard some guys talking about on the sideline, which

705
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of a classic move to celebrate

706
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: when it guys injured. You know, obviously it was a

707
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: good hit, clean hit, but you know, to celebrate when

708
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: it guys down, it's kind of a um, you know,

709
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: classes move. It was a hit from Calvin Pryor and

710
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: Richard Um Matthews early in the game. Uh and and

711
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: after the game then Gregg and you're up the post.

712
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: It didn't seem if you were watching the game. Prior

713
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: celebrated a little bit, but it wasn't like they were

714
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: jumping up and down once when Matthews was gone, it

715
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: was it was down. They didn't continue to say, have

716
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: no idea the guy was hurt. He was just celebrating

717
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: a big hit. And that's after the game. He tweeted out.

718
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: Calvin Prior tweeted out, you know if if Ryan Tannehill,

719
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, didn't want him celebrate and throw a better

720
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: path because it's true that was the ultimate medicine volve.

721
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: He got his Maybe he felt bad about it. I'm

722
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: sure he did. I feel bad for Tannehill. When your

723
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: offense is running for twelve yards, well, that's the thing

724
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: I remember, Like I would say, Oh, Dan Campbell, he's

725
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: the guy that has common sense. You have some good

726
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: running backs back there. They read the ball nine times

727
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: or twelve yards today that even try to establish the run.

728
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: Got Tannehill throwing freaking fifty eight passes. That's there's no

729
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: way to win that one. That's on Campbell, but I

730
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: don't I don't know how it breaks down in the building.

731
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: But it's also on Bill Laser, who over the past

732
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: two years his responsibility was to develop Ryan Tannehill. And

733
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: if it's not happening, it's not Dan Campbell's fault over

734
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: the last two months. It's this offense that you blow

735
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: up on the ground. One week you rush for twelve yards.

736
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: The rest Is it all the Jets defense? Maybe it

737
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: was this weekend. Jets run defense hasn't been lights out

738
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: the last how about you know, Brandon Marshall dominating Brent Grimes,

739
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: who has had a rough couple of weeks. Two of

740
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 1: the best receivers in the league but just getting run

741
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: up and down. I checked with West before I sent

742
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: a tweet out Ken the wide receiver put a clown

743
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: suit on a cornerback. I thought maybe that was a

744
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: trenches thing, but no, you can, according to West, and

745
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. Grimes was not quick enough or

746
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: physical enough to handle Marshall, who probably could have had

747
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: two hundred yards receiving if fits looked at them more.

748
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: Br Brent Grimes wasn't quick enough to handle Brandon Marshall.

749
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: That's pretty damn The Dolphins are what we thought the

750
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: Chiefs would be in that like, they are the most

751
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: forgettable team in in the a f C right now.

752
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: They're just they're they're not really terrible at anything in particular,

753
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: They're not good, They're definitely not good at anything in particular,

754
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: and now they're just kind of a forgettable team that's

755
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: going to be kind of like last year's Dolphins in

756
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: the year before every year for that. Moving on, the

757
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: Bengals losing streak is over. Andy Dalton threw three touchdowns

758
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: to to old friend A. J. Green. It's been a

759
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: little quiet this year, but he had two touchdowns in

760
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: this game and wrapped to an easy thirty seven win

761
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: over Sorry Greg the disappearing St. Louis Rams Mark Sessler.

762
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: Just when people were starting to wonder if since he

763
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: was falling into a funk, here comes Nick Foles to

764
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: make everything better. Yeah. I mean he's he's great medicine

765
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: for this team. And you know it's Cincinnati. We talked

766
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: about them coming off the Cardinals game last week. It

767
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: was a loss, but it was them telling us that

768
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: we're not the Bengals from the year before. They put

769
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: up a big offensive showing. I think it says a

770
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: lot about Cincinnati come out and stamp St. Louis the

771
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: way they did today. Todd Gurley doesn't have a big

772
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: day really, and it also boils down to the Rams

773
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: having nothing on offense, including a bad quarterback. But the

774
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: Bengals take care of business, and I believe After the game,

775
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: a reporter asked about the effort level of the St.

776
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: Louis Rams to Jeff Fisher, Who's there's a little teflon.

777
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: Let's let's face it, for a team that's had very

778
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: little success in Fisher's tenure there, and this is how

779
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher reacted to it. Obviously, uh stressful times in

780
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: the Fisher house. Anyone implies to its effort issue and

781
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: they can kiss what okay, because there's no effort problems

782
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: on this with us team. Okay. That's what happens when teams,

783
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: when you lose four of rost, people say it's effort.

784
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: Come to practice, watch this teamploy and ask any other poet, opponent,

785
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: opposing coach. It's not an effort issue right now. It's execution.

786
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: It's not an effort issue. It's an intelligence issue. It's

787
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: a coaching issue. It's a plain smart issue. Like great,

788
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: your your team flies around and gets fifteen yard penalties

789
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: after every tenth play. Congratulations, you haven't fixed an offense

790
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: for four years. That's the issue. Third time in four

791
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: weeks that Jeff Fishers come out and railed against either

792
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: another human being or some philosophy or an idea in

793
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: his press conference. He's becoming the NFC's Rex Ryan without

794
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: a good team, same as Rex Ryan. I think there's

795
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: a lot of valid criticism about Jeff Fisher and his rams.

796
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: I've never heard anybody question the effort. I think that's

797
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: just a strong man argument so he doesn't have to

798
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to answer for all the mistakes he makes.

799
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean, this was not that long ago that the

800
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: Rams are an exciting team that seems to be on

801
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: the rise, and now four losses in a row, Todd

802
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: Gurley no longer is taking the NFL by storm. It's

803
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: not all his fault, obviously, Uh, this team is broken

804
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: down in every way. I wonder if Jeff Fisher can

805
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: lose his job because the owner seems to like him.

806
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: The general manager who I think it's going anywhere, likes him.

807
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: They're moving to Los Angeles. But if I hear another

808
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: person say, well, you gotta keep Fisher coming to Los Angeles,

809
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: USC guy he's from it, it's like what you need

810
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: to have a coach that's from the city and like

811
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: knows how to get, you know, down the four oh five,

812
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: the fastest way to the stadium. It doesn't matter you coach.

813
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: You know that has nothing to do with it that

814
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: he's from l A. That's people that don't live in

815
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: l A. I didn't know that until know this until

816
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: I moved here and really started to understand the culture

817
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 1: of the city is that USC is a really big deal.

818
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: Like there may not be an NFL team, but there

819
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: is a pro team. It's USC Football. And as you

820
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: saw this weekend where they put it on U C.

821
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: L A. But you know, everyone thinks Jessica's Jeff Fisher

822
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: has ties there that for some reason he needs to

823
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: be here. Now, I don't buy into anything. It's more

824
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: to the fact that what we've watched with the Rams

825
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: is no matter what they produced under Fish or year

826
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: after year, it's you know, west less snead. Is this

827
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: a magnificent GM Jeff Fisher's got this team cooking. We

828
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: fall for a year after year they are not even

829
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: a seven and nine squad. This year they're probably a

830
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: lot worse. And you traded for Nick Foles. That was

831
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: a decision you made as an organization whenever whether you're

832
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford or not. We went out and traded for

833
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: Nick Foles, and he's the biggest problem you have on

834
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: all they do kind of and we've been to the

835
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: combine and we cover the NFL in the off season

836
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: when everybody's gonna win the Super Bowl. But there is

837
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: an air of confidence that pours out of that building

838
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: where they really you always get the sense that they

839
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: think that they've figured things out and their step ahead

840
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: of everyone, and then the season comes and then all

841
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden Thanksgiving and they're buried in their division

842
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: and it's like same old rams. It never changes. They're

843
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: one of the worst offenses every year under Jeff Fisher.

844
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: That never changes. And they, like you said, they went

845
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: out and trading for fulls. They also drafted Greg Robinson

846
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: two years ago, put three rookies in the starting lineup

847
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: or three first for three first year offensive lineman starters,

848
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: and their offensive lineman is trash. Well, that's that's the thing.

849
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 1: It's an offense league. Like I love it when people say,

850
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: well it's you know, no, it's an offensive league because

851
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: if you have a good offense, that's gonna be more

852
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: consistent year after year. So what you get when you

853
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: hired Jeff Fisher is a bad offense for the last

854
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: fifteen seasons. I mean, how many winning seasons has he

855
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: had since McNair retired A couple and that's it. And

856
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: he's had a lot of cracks at the plate. One

857
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: thing on the Bengals, I think their defensive improvement this

858
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: year it's all geno Atkins. That guy he's he'd better

859
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: be a in All Pro this year. Yeah, Kevin Patrion

860
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: is right up liked it so much Atkins play. He

861
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: put his name in all caps with a triple slammer.

862
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: That's journalism lingo for exclamation points. Yes, slammer. He turned

863
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: Kevin patra into like a thirteen year old girl. That's

864
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. By like Tyler Ifford, who left this

865
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: game after suffering a stinger, now has twelve touchdowns after

866
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: another one, I don't think anybody saw him being quite

867
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: that good, moving on Philip Rivers through four touchdown passes

868
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: without an interception, out playing his contemporary Blake Bortles in

869
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: a thirty one Chargers win over the Jaguars, who have

870
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: seen their playoff hopes dim to a flicker. Tough loss

871
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: for the Jaguars, who again listen every time you want

872
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: to buy in on them and think that they can

873
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: start making a move and progress as a team, they

874
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: let the Chargers beat them in their own house. A

875
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: Chargers team that had lost six in a row and

876
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: week after week has shown that they do not know

877
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: how to close out games despite having a great quarterback

878
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: in Phil Rivers. And this is a tough loss for

879
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. I mean, I look as much on their defense,

880
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: you give up thirty one points. This is meant to

881
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: be the Gust Bradley team. What three plus years in

882
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: where we're supposed to see the ear marks of what

883
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: happened in Seattle and what that defense is all about.

884
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: They're not an excellent team when it comes to disrupting

885
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: quarterback play and you're giving up points in in Bushell's

886
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: week after it, and I mean it's happened so often.

887
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: I mean, how this this is the NFL. A guy

888
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 1: coaches a great defense, uh, and then he gets brought

889
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: somewhere else and you're expected to build that up. And

890
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: I guess it's just not that easy because you see

891
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: this time and time and again. A lot of guys fail.

892
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: And I think they've overachieved with the talent they have overall,

893
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: and they keep adding okay pieces. Kelvin Smith there in

894
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: Colvin said Derek Marks was a great player, but he's

895
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: been gone all year because of an injury. He's their

896
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: best player. But they haven't had home runs in the draft.

897
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: They just haven't on offense. They've had a bunch of singles,

898
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: and they've now been there long enough with Caldwell that,

899
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he knows this. You got to get some

900
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl players on defense, and they just never get any.

901
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: Then they haven't developed any. You know, Seattle drafted a

902
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: bunch of guys in the fourth and fifth round and

903
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: developed them into Pro bowlers. Why you don't want to

904
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: play the Charter. The Charters are a three win team

905
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: right now. But you know, I'd much I'd be so

906
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: much more afraid of playing the Chargers on a week

907
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: week basis than than the Jaguars because the Philip Rivers exactly,

908
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: it's all Rivers. And you see in this I called

909
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: him a contemporary. He's not a contemporary. He's much older

910
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: um than um Blake Bortles Philip Rivers. But you see

911
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: what happens in the red zone in this game, where

912
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers goes down there and scores four touchdowns, Blake

913
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: Bortles gets four field goals and on top of it,

914
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: he has two penalties. This is it really is what

915
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: do we call the Bortles Coaster in Jacksonville nickname? Yeah,

916
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: the relative doesn't really another workshop, another workshop or better

917
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: than what was it the joy of Rex. What was it? Rex?

918
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: I like that one, and so it's kind of gross.

919
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: It's kind of gross. But Bortles had two penalties where

920
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: he crossed the line of scrimmage and threw through a

921
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: pass into the end zone which short circuited drives. He

922
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: threw a terrible interception. They also had a really pretty

923
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: touchdown past the Julius Thomas that kept them in the game.

924
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: Uh um in the beginning of the fourth quarter. So

925
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: up and down Um, Blake Bortles, Day and Julius Thomas.

926
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: By the way, this was a crazy stat I think

927
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: Connor or Um brought it to the surface in our

928
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Speaker 1: Slack client Uh quit slacking, sign up for Slack today.

929
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: We'll take literally any sponsors we can get, guys. Uh

930
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: but what kind of that was a one hundred yard

931
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: touchdown tight end performance for the Jacksonville Jaguars, the first

932
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: since two thousand Kyle Brady, and that's the only other one.

933
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: It's only been two hunder yards in the TV they've

934
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: been in the NFL since the Jaguars, and they've only

935
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: had two guys do it, and one of them happened today.

936
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, Mark we've made the

937
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: comparison to the Browns. For the Charges, does it get

938
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: to a point where the atmosphere at that home field

939
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: becomes so poisonous that they're better off playing on the road. Well,

940
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean we've talked about their home field, if you

941
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: want to call it that forever, that it's like to

942
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: visiting team in big games week after week. I I

943
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: don't think it's nearly as poisonous because the passion in

944
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: the brown situation with that home that that crowd, that

945
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: city that was duped and suddenly find out the team

946
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: is going at coming off a playoff season, is going

947
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: to Baltimore versus the Chargers and in a stadium that

948
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: doesn't fill it. Cleveland fills a stadium every week no

949
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: matter how bad they are. I see literally no comparison

950
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: between this Chargers team in the Browns, inside the organization,

951
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: in the stadium, or on the field. Nobody goes into

952
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: ever Bank Field and comes out alive. That's what I

953
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: like to say. I've never watched a game before. Well,

954
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: I feel for you, Dan, I'm not sure how to

955
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: respond that. Right. Moving on, the New York Giants had

956
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: a chance to seize control of the craptastic NFC East

957
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: with a win over the Redskins on Sunday in FedEx Field.

958
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: Did they do it West, of course not. Washington scored

959
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: the game's first twenty points, held on. They moved into

960
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 1: a first place tie in the division of five and six.

961
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: Oh my god, five and six. Greg, This division keeps

962
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: getting worse and worse and worse. But let's give j

963
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: Bruden's team some credit. West. I still don't see him

964
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: at the podium celebrating an NFC IS title. I can't

965
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: see it. I won't allow the favorite to my mind,

966
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: but the favorite that was a big win today. They

967
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: are the slight favorites now because of the schedule. That's

968
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: the worst thing. They've been the favorites for a while.

969
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: They're five and six. You just got on me for

970
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: crowing about a cold steam who's beaten good team back

971
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: to back week. They are five and six and they've

972
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: shown there a mediocre team. But it's a terrible division.

973
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: I think eight wins will win this division. They have

974
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: two left against the Cowboys, which is nice right that

975
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: it's very nicely timed. How that's gonna work out for them? Uh?

976
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 1: The Giants on the other hand, who looked like the

977
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: next best team in the division, have a pretty a

978
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: couple of definite losses on the schedule. You know, this

979
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: was a game where Eli Manning through two interceptions the

980
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: first quarter, but they were just jostled out, and then

981
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: the Redskins couldn't score on either one of them, and

982
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: you've gotta field goals being blocked. But Kirk Cousins is

983
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: at the point now he's got a little recipe here.

984
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: If you can hit one pass to the Sean Jackson

985
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: and you can hit one screen pass to Matt Jones

986
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: where he takes it really long, that's about all you

987
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: need to do. I'm not making fun of Cousins. Are

988
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: going out of your way not to give him any credit. No,

989
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's the recipe. He is he if

990
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: you want to be generous, he's the new Dalton scale

991
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: because he has very little to do what's going on.

992
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: Hey what about me? He has very little to do

993
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: with what's going on. A guy who has shown repeatedly

994
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: that he can lead fourth quarter game when he drops

995
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: well in this game there, that's the wrong argument to

996
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: make because they totally sat on the ball. I give

997
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: I put that on the din. He hit a big

998
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: yard pass to Jordan Rea in the fourth quarter. They

999
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: did drive out the clock at the end, but before

1000
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: that it was twenty to nothing and they were just

1001
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: biding their time waiting for the game to end. Eli

1002
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: Manning hits a hail mary for one touchdown and then

1003
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham makes maybe the catch of the year with

1004
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: a one handed touchdown grab gets it to within fourteen.

1005
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, Twitter comes down. What that was a great catch? Yeah,

1006
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: maybe that was even better than the first one. Was great.

1007
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: It was a great catch. It was one of the

1008
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: in the mix. I like Jay Gruden though. I think

1009
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: they're coaching their talent up about as much as they can.

1010
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: And I like the fact he went for fourth and

1011
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: goal early in there, late in the first half, and

1012
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins got it over the end zone. I think

1013
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: that was the biggest play of the game. I think

1014
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: some other version of this Redskins team could have two

1015
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: wins if you put a different coach in and you

1016
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: put a different quarterback in that they don't even get

1017
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: to the table where they are right now, and they're

1018
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: they're probably an eight and eight team. And that's why

1019
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: last week we were shredding the Redskins this week. We

1020
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: have to look at them a little but differently next week.

1021
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: Who knows what we'll get. That's what this entire division is.

1022
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,479
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to sit around and say Kirk

1023
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: Cousins is some sort of nightmare. I mean he might be,

1024
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: and if you want to be generous, he could be

1025
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: the new Dalton scale. He's also late the middle of

1026
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 1: the fact. We want to assess everyone all the time,

1027
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: and I get that, so we have to do. But

1028
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: it's like he's a young quarterback just beginning his career

1029
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: as a starter, all right, but he's he sat on

1030
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: the bench behind r G three for a long time

1031
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: and you're gonna go through these growing pains with an

1032
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: offense that's still figuring out what they are. I think

1033
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: to some degree, the Redskins are the best home team

1034
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: in this division. They're five and one at home and

1035
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: the three remaining road games are at Jay Cutler, at

1036
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford slash Mark Sanchez and at Matt Castle. Well,

1037
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: that's the thing, the Red who are the best team.

1038
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: This is by far the best team they've beaten at

1039
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: the home. That that's how easy this NFC East It's

1040
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: amazing how bad this division is. And I don't want

1041
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: to give them too much credit for being a seven

1042
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: win team, like you're not gonna give him credit for anything? Ever, Well,

1043
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm those who are the three opponents again. They play

1044
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: the Bears, the Eagles, the backsliding Eagles, and they done Cowboys.

1045
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: And I'll give the Redskins credit. They are winning more

1046
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: games than I thought they would to this point. But

1047
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: would you be really stunned if they lost any of

1048
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: those games either any of them? No, not at all.

1049
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be any game ever. Or if the Giants

1050
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: won four straight, because the Giants were the weirdest team

1051
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: out there and they still have the ability in games

1052
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: to do stuff that you couldn't expect, I would be

1053
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: surprised because they are so flawed. They don't have any

1054
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: run game, they don't have any They lost another offensive lineman.

1055
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: They lost their best players than Kneli Manning, Dominique Rodgers,

1056
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: Carmario wy Wait, how long has he came back in

1057
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: the game. We move on now to uh the other

1058
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: late game. It was not the blowout many expected, but

1059
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals are now nine and two after a

1060
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: hard fought night Team thirteen win over the San Francisco

1061
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: forty Niners on Sunday at a big belt that mark.

1062
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: The Niners did a nice job bringing the car goes

1063
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: down to earth, but when it mattered most, Arizona got

1064
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: it done. That's why they're the team of a t L. Yeah,

1065
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: and they deserve to be. I mean, I I see

1066
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: good news and bad news for Arizona number one. You know,

1067
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: as we talked about in NFL Now before the podcast,

1068
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: they showed that they can win a game like this.

1069
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: This was an ugly game. Bruce Arian said, it was

1070
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: hard sledding. It was not sexy whatsoever, perfect way to

1071
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: describe it. I mean, it just wasn't everything that we

1072
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: come to expect from the Cardinals wasn't happening for three

1073
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: plus quarters. At the end though, with the game on

1074
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: the line of four team play, eighty five yard drive

1075
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: that eats up eight minutes off the clock, it's the

1076
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: longest drive of the year, basically put the forty Niners

1077
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: out of business. So that's the good thing. They showed

1078
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: us they can win in a game like this, and

1079
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: they might need to win another one like this in

1080
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: the playoffs. The bad thing for me. Chris Johnson goes

1081
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: out with a knee injury, Ellington Andre Ellington goes out

1082
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: with a foot injury. Both to the locker room. They

1083
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 1: don't return. It sounds like from Carson Palmer it's not official,

1084
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: we don't know. Hinted that they could miss some time

1085
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: and without their ground game looking as dynamic as it has,

1086
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: and Chris Johnson hasn't been a self in the entire

1087
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: month in November, but still Palmer was back there getting hit.

1088
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't want to put it all

1089
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 1: on Carson Palmer, and that's what happened. The big plays

1090
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: were drying up to some degree, and the forty Niners

1091
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: probably one of the most frustrating games for a forty

1092
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: Niners fan in ages thirteen penalties at the worst time.

1093
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: That was why it was the longest drive of the season.

1094
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: It was like seven penalties on the forty Niners and

1095
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: everyone seemed to be on third down when they were

1096
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: about to get off the field, and so they kept

1097
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: just extending Cardinals. It's amazing their defense played great. You

1098
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: get to the running game. Their running game was not

1099
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: doing anything before the injuries, and they had a lot

1100
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: of chances in short yardage, which has been a problem

1101
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals, and they just couldn't pick up a

1102
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: yard for the life of it. I was I was amazed.

1103
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: It was a game. That's why I think that Chris

1104
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: Johnson and Andrea Elegton, if they missed some time, could

1105
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: sneakily be a good thing for the Cardinals because David

1106
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: Johnson needs to be the goal line short yard is

1107
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: back to his team's two pounds. When they had a

1108
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: game early in the year and they gave him to

1109
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: goal line chances, he converted both of them and they

1110
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: got away from that. But if you're a Cardinals fan,

1111
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: I think you have to kind of you have to

1112
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: be happy that you haven't even hit your stride yet,

1113
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: you haven't played to your potential and you're beating Seahawks,

1114
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: Bengals and forty Niners in close games. They have a

1115
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: few things to work on. They could be more they

1116
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: could be more efficient in the red zone again with

1117
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: the short yardage issues. If they fix these things, they're

1118
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: gonna be even better. But there is it is an

1119
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: issue with Chris Johnson of almost six yards were carrying

1120
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: in October, barely three in November, and so you may

1121
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: be looking at a running back that a couple of

1122
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: weeks off would help, could be nearing the end part

1123
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: of his productive season. It might have been a nice

1124
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: little flash for a former star, and now he's back

1125
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: to what he was with the Jets. It sounds and

1126
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: looks very familiar that the stat line Honey Badger mark

1127
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: another monster day. Well, we've been talking about Honey Badger

1128
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: all year, and it's for me, it's the stuff that

1129
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: doesn't even show up. As he has an interception today,

1130
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: but it's a tackle he made off a gadget play

1131
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: that the forty Niners tried to run. They blew up

1132
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: the entire drive and basically put the San Francisco forty

1133
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: Niners in a hole. He's all over the field, leads

1134
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: the team and tackles, and they could just use him

1135
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: in such different ways, but the team in general uses

1136
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: all their defensive players very well. And I think that

1137
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: it's his versatility is really a symbol of what Bruce

1138
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: arians can do. And I think Tory Smith beat him

1139
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: deep and I was when he did. I was like,

1140
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: I was trying to remember, I can't remember the last

1141
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: time someone beat Matthew over the top and Matthey was

1142
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: right there at the catchpoint, right. I also like, I

1143
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 1: think I saw it again today at one point when

1144
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: I was watching. Uh, he has a sneaky ability to

1145
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: like walla people, A big guy, but and he can

1146
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: really jack up a guy, um if you if he

1147
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: catches a guy the right way. So yeah, he's a

1148
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: fun player. You think he's over watch right now defensive

1149
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: mv pin Well, no, I mean I think it's you know,

1150
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,919
Speaker 1: I don't care about these awards, but I just think

1151
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: he deserves to be point. I don't because well, you

1152
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: can't say that he's as dominant as what That would

1153
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: be a little bit foolish. But for what to look

1154
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: where this team is. I don't think that they're the

1155
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: same team you mentioned with the Steelers. You put Matt,

1156
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: you put put Tim with you on the Steelers, They're

1157
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: a different defense. So yeah, I think he and Josh

1158
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: Norman have been far and above the crowd at defensive

1159
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: back this year. I agree. I also it's hard to

1160
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: make an argument that JD. West not the best defensive

1161
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: player in That's what he will be every year. Which

1162
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: takes us to Sunday Night Football and an instant classic

1163
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: gentleman between the Denver Broncos and the New England Patriots.

1164
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: Now no longer can you say undefeated New England Patriots,

1165
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, because the Broncos got him a thirty four

1166
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: wild comeback win at Mile High in the snow, a

1167
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: game in which the Patriots had seven lead uh well

1168
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: into the second half. Seemed to be in a very

1169
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: good place to move. Move on to eleven, and oh,

1170
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: Chris Harper muffs a punt. The Broncos go in, they

1171
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: kick a field goal, They take the lead. The Patriots

1172
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: and come back kick a field goal. We go to overtime,

1173
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 1: and then c J Anderson in the Broncos first possession

1174
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: of overtime. After to the Patriots go three and out,

1175
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: goes around left left side on a pitch on third

1176
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: and short, takes at the distance for the touchdown. Game over, undefeated,

1177
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: season over. Rob Gronkowski lost for the game and who

1178
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: knows how long with a knee injury. Oh the throne

1179
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: of sleeves. Greg. Tough day for Patriots, trying to you know,

1180
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: don't enjoy it so much. I mean the second, I

1181
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: enjoy everything, but the Gronk injury. The second. Emmanuel Sanders

1182
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: catches that pass down the sideline hands us is honking

1183
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: about Butler Island, give me a break. An incredible game.

1184
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: The Giants Patriots games is one of the games of

1185
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: the year, and I think this is a game that

1186
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: will remember for a long time, not the least of

1187
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: which is that brock Osweiler might have ended Peyton's man

1188
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: his career. I mean, that's that almost feels like a

1189
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: second story, but I think that's basically what brock Osweiler

1190
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: did on Sunday night. The Gronk injury is the main

1191
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 1: talking point to me, though, because the Patriots can afford

1192
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: a loss. I don't think a loss is that big

1193
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: of a deal for him, but if Monk is injured

1194
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: for a long time, they can't afford that. Yeah. Ian

1195
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: Rappaport reported the initial test roll out a serious injury,

1196
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: which is the best news possible considering the scene we

1197
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: saw on the field with him writhing in pain. Writhing

1198
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: in pain, the cart comes out the worst scene you

1199
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: could have when the other team, players on the other

1200
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: team are patting you on the helmet. It looked like

1201
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: a season ending injury. Let's let's just call it like

1202
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: it was initially so at the time of this taping,

1203
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: it's not going to be that. It looks like we'll

1204
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: see what happens. I mean, complete game changer. We were

1205
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: talking about it. If he were to go out for

1206
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: the year. It's not good for football fans in general.

1207
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: Whether or not you like the Patriots you buy into

1208
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: New England, the idea of losing Gronk is just another

1209
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: good player being stripped away. Now, if he's going to

1210
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: be back, who knows what in a couple of weeks.

1211
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: This train keeps going. The a f C is just

1212
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: very weak. The Patriots can lose a game or two

1213
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: here and probably still keep a first round seed, if

1214
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: not the second. But things get interesting now because now

1215
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: they're ten and one. The Broncos are nine and two

1216
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: but have the eyebreaker, and the Patriots are now, as

1217
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: we know, a compromised team. And you know, we have

1218
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: no idea how long grown app But let's just say

1219
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: he's out a couple of weeks. That's Tom Brady with

1220
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: really no weapons on the field. It's gonna be hard

1221
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: for them too. I know their schedules not that tough, Greg,

1222
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be hard for them to keep rolling

1223
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: through with wins in this compromised state. In theory, yes,

1224
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: but in reality they were in Denver against the best

1225
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: defense in the league, against an offense that suddenly is

1226
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: running the ball well a quarterback in Brock Goswellers that's

1227
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: clearly an upgrade over Peyton Man and and they're gonna

1228
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: win that game on the road if Chris Harper doesn't

1229
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: fumble a punt and they had a very good effort.

1230
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: I would say, overall, Tom Brady, we'll go back and

1231
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: watch it. But when you're setting your team up to win,

1232
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: you have three touchdowns in that kind of yarded against

1233
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: this defense in this situation the snow, that's Tom Brady

1234
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: at his peak. So if Tom Brady's at his peak,

1235
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: we don't know how injured Donte height Towers there was

1236
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: another injury they had, But if he comes back to

1237
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: Jamie Collins is back, I think they're in a good position.

1238
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: I think they're playing good football. They beat the Bills

1239
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: last week. People say that's a bad, bad game that

1240
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: they had, but it's like they won the game at

1241
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: home against a tough division opponent. I mean, but what

1242
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: we saw in the brief time without Cronk, there's nothing

1243
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: going on with that offense. Now it was in bad weather.

1244
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, how you stripped every weapon away from

1245
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. He can't do it alone. He's got to

1246
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: have someone to throw to. Rank. If he doesn't have Gronk,

1247
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 1: I definitely doubt him. Runs the most since he entered

1248
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: the league. Gronk is the most valuable non quarterback in

1249
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: the NFL. When they've gone out in the playoffs, it's

1250
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: been with grown with lineup. But do I doubt Tom Brady?

1251
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: Of course I don't. It's just that in this passing

1252
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: league and what the NFL is, you've got to have

1253
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: some Well, that's why I think it's one of the

1254
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: more impressive performances we've seen by Brady. He went down

1255
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: the field with very little time without Gronk. They botched

1256
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: a clock situation at one point where they didn't realize

1257
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: the clock was running. He basically had one play to

1258
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: get fifteen to twenty yards and he got it with

1259
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: a great out route to Brandon LaFell. He somehow engineered

1260
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: that drive with Chandler and lafellas the means and you know,

1261
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: well what about happening overtime? Though? All right? Then the

1262
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: Patriots have those drives. He took a sack, and you know,

1263
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: you gotta give credit to the Denver side of the

1264
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: ball though. I mean, not only did they get back

1265
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: in this game or a game that looked like it

1266
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,479
Speaker 1: was close to over, they came all the way back

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01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: ty they take the lead actually, and then they lose

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Speaker 1: the toss in overtime, get the three out stop, get

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Speaker 1: the sack of Tom Brady, and then what they did

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Speaker 1: was they leaned on C. J. Anderson in a big

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Speaker 1: spot there and he came through. Is c J. Anderson

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Speaker 1: can run the ball like he was doing last year

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Speaker 1: and Oswiler looks like a better option than Peyton Manning was,

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Speaker 1: certainly before he got hurt. The Broncos are gonna be

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Speaker 1: okay on offense well, Anderson and Hillman are averaging a

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01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: yard and to have more per carry with Oswarden than

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Speaker 1: they than they did with Peyton Manning, which I think

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Speaker 1: speaks volumes about how much better with a fit brock

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Speaker 1: Oswilders for the offense. And I look at the production

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Speaker 1: team in the announcers from NBC, what they were saying

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01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: out of the gate was they were basically speaking what

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Speaker 1: I think the coaches told them all week long, was

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01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: brock Ostwaller runs this offense. Well, he's helped wake up

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Speaker 1: the ground game because you have actual rollouts to people

1285
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: buy into your play action to people buy into and

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01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: this is want they want to be a run based

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01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 1: team from here on out. And so when you talk about, oh,

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Speaker 1: there's a big decision ahead with Peyton Manning, it is

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01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: only a big decision because of who Peyton Manning is

1290
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: in the legacy, but in terms of their play on

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01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: the field right now, it's an easy decision. Right and

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Speaker 1: you know, all you gotta do is look at that

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01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: throw that he made to Sanders down the sideline, or

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01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: you can look at it was one of, if not

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01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: his first completions of the game, which was twenty five

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01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: yard how you know, bullet right through the middle of

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Speaker 1: the Patriots defense, and that's where arms strength shows up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, brock Ostwaller, I think showed a lot to

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Speaker 1: be calm and not make mistakes in his first start,

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01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: but he showed a lot more in this start. It

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Speaker 1: was interesting too, there's still a work in progress. I

1302
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: believe that Damerius Thomas had one reception on thirteen targets,

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01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: so I would say, this is still a lot was

1304
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: big though. That was a huge one catch that he

1305
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: did have. But they're still working things out. I mean,

1306
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: but let's you know, let's go back to the throne

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Speaker 1: of these a little bit here. Let's talk about it

1308
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: you as a Patriots fan, Brandon, do we have any

1309
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: thrown of bees? Uh? Yeah, let's let's do this the

1310
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: right really the time to be on something in quick

1311
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: over here, and this is called the throne of easy ready, Yes, Now,

1312
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: are you secretly happy a little bit that you got

1313
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: the loss out of the way. You don't have to

1314
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: carry that burden into January. You could just try to

1315
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: be the best team. Let's assume that you got Gronk

1316
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: back for a January run. Let's say Edelman he's scrappy,

1317
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: he gets back. It's just maybe a good thing for

1318
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Yeah, I've talked about it with you guys.

1319
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was a good thing for them

1320
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: to get through the season undefeated. That the burden of

1321
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: that seemed to really weigh on the two thousand seventeen

1322
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: and even more selfishly, as a fan, I think I

1323
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: could take them going out in the laffs again. If

1324
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: they went undefeated the regular season and then lost again

1325
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: for some reason. That would just be the worst possible result.

1326
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 1: Now I'm in much better mood because since the game ended,

1327
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: we're already hearing these positive reports about gron Calchy. That's

1328
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: really the only thing. If they can get the one seed,

1329
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: all they gotta do is really either at the Jets

1330
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: is pretty difficult. You got the Texans at home. Those

1331
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: are their two toughest games left. They can probably run

1332
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: the table, and even if they do lose a game,

1333
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: I'd like their chances to get the one seed. Belichick

1334
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: doesn't like all of his first place teams. There are

1335
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: some years where you can tell by his comments that

1336
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: he's not thrilled with him. After this game, he said,

1337
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: I have all the respect in the world for this

1338
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: football team. The way they compete, you can tell he

1339
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: loves this collection of players. And I'm with you, Like,

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01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: if you get Gronk and Edelman back by the first

1341
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: round of the playoffs or the bye week, you gotta

1342
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: you gotta still like the Patriots, but that's a huge caveat.

1343
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: You have to get Gronk back. You're gonna be okay, buddy,

1344
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: I I will be fine personally, here's a bigger concern,

1345
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: a bigger concerned. At one point in the fourth quarter, Uh,

1346
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: Patriots got a positive chunk play and Mark just it

1347
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: came out of him. He goes, I love this team,

1348
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: referring to the Patriots Curse of Sessler potential. It was.

1349
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: It was a play later wash as the curse of

1350
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: Cessler now moved from Cleveland over Foxborough. It was last February, exactly.

1351
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: I was feeling a little bit of Patriots love of

1352
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: the around the NFL group. Yes, I remember it. Well,

1353
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: this would you rather? I want to enjoy watching the

1354
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: sport at some point, So tonight I did work twenty

1355
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: four hours away from you telling me to get excited

1356
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: about the Browns playing the Ravens on Monday night football.

1357
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: These are two good teams. This was exactly. You know,

1358
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't curse them at all last year. Anything.

1359
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: Just the theory, that's all it is. I didn't say

1360
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: some good modo. They needed that in the playoffs. I

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01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: didn't say definitely, Marcus, definitely curse. The page is offensive.

1362
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: You know, I think Sessler saved Gronk. I mean, otherwise

1363
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: that could have been a season and good way to

1364
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: look at it that way. I was already convincing myself, Well,

1365
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be the greatest Belichick Super Bowl ever if

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01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: they did it without grounds. I was just already twist

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01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: myself into convince is that the game of the year.

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01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: Was that the game? Ye, it wasn't even the game

1369
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: of the day. The Seahawks Steelers game was more fun.

1370
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: There was a lot going on in game. I think

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01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: the Giants Patriots game, for just pure entertainment was crazy intent.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't even put that in the top ten. Thanks

1373
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: like eleven. Wait, tie every Patriot game, every Dome game

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01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: loses points for me because it's in a dome. This

1375
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: game which falling this is this a lot of implications.

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01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: This felt like a big by the way you talked

1377
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: about the Patriots having to win some close games or

1378
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: win against an easy schedule. The Broncos and Bengals play

1379
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: each other still, and the Broncos also have to play

1380
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: the Steelers. And this Broncos team is much scarier now

1381
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: that they have this running game in this offense. The

1382
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: defense hasn't been quite a don't get the Marcus wareback.

1383
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: You're going to get the Marcus wareback. So yes, a

1384
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: lot to talk about. Here's a good thing. We'll be

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01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: back in two days our Tuesday show with our good

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01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: friend Colleen Wolf is going to join us on Tuesday

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01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: this week and we'll unpack more. I'm sure we'll talk

1388
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: more throwing a vase and more a f C playoff picture,

1389
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: maybe more about this potential situation going out with Cessler

1390
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: and the Pats, what it can mean for the future

1391
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: of the organization. You know, it's all out there, and

1392
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk Monday night football at the Browns. That's

1393
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: all coming up on the next show. Why would we

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01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: do that last thing? Yeah, that'll be a great minute

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01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: of the show. Anyway. That's it for Sunday's edition of

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast. Thank you for everyone for listening,

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Speaker 1: watching on YouTube or NFL now wherever however you consume us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Until then, this is Dan Hansis signing off

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Speaker 1: four Quiet Storm, The Mailman, the Boss branded behind the

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Speaker 1: Glass needs it needs a nick. Until Tuesday.