1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Hey, lady, is doctor dom here. If you like this 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: show and you want to make your own, let me 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: tell you about the free platform Anchor. It's a creation 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: right from your phone or computer. You can add songs 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: from Spotify and create any type of content that you 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: are looking for. 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Also, we release episodes every Friday, so 24 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: be sure to subscribe on iTunes and visit Cultivatingherspace dot 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: com to access our exclusive after show and other bonus 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: content from the Patreon tab. 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 5: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 5: women like you. We're your hosts, Doctor Dominique Bussard, a 29 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 5: college professor and psychologist. 30 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 6: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a 31 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 6: world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, please 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 6: join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 6: five roads to fake friends, and create a safe space 34 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 6: where black women can just be. 35 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 4: Hey, lady, it's Terry here from the Cultivating her Space podcast. 36 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 4: I'm hosting a free podcasting master class where I'm going 37 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 4: to teach you how to create your impactful podcast and 38 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 4: how you can generate multiple streams of income. 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Tiffany Loggins 48 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 6: is a licensed clinical psychologist and mental health wellness speaker. 49 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 6: She specializes in minority stress within communities for people of color, 50 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 6: eating disorders, and helping organizations with social responsibility. Given her 51 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 6: clinical experiences serving indivials with a wide variety of mental 52 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 6: health concerns within several university, hospital, and community based settings, 53 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 6: she intricately intertwined both a multicultural framework and evidence based 54 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 6: approaches to cultivate a safe space of active learning to 55 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 6: help individuals illuminate new insights that accompany feelings of direction 56 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 6: and purpose. Doesn't it sound powerful? Doctor Logins currently has 57 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 6: a private practice, Discover the Authentic Self, where she provides individual, 58 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 6: group and couples therapy to help others in their process 59 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 6: of transformation and resilience. Doctor Loggins Welcome to Cultivating her Space. 60 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: Hi, welcome, I'm so glad to be here. Thanks for 61 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: having me. Yes, you're welcome. 62 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: Yes, we are so excited to have you, and we 63 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: are looking forward to this powerful conversation. And so we 64 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: are going to dive right in with our quote of 65 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: the day. I thought it was a white rich female 66 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: adolescent disorder. That quote comes to us from actress Carla Moseley, 67 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say it again for the folks in 68 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: the back so we can really ground ourselves in the 69 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: conversation that we're gonna have today. I thought it was 70 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 1: a white rich female adolescent disorder. All right. So, doctor Loggins, 71 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: when you hear that quote, and you think about the 72 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: work that you do with particularly with Black women around 73 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: eating disorders, and what comes up for you when you 74 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: when you hear that. 75 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 3: Quote, how wrong and erroneous it is. And I think 76 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: it is one of those things that I have seen 77 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: over and over again eating its or especially worked in Oakland, 78 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 3: so a very rich black community, and the black women 79 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: that I would see would not really identify with have 80 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 3: any eating disorder. When I would tell them that, I 81 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: would bring up DSM and it's almost something that have 82 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 3: issues with but not even able to either a get 83 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 3: help because of mental health stigma. And then when they 84 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: do sometimes there are just thought to like, oh, you 85 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: should you need to lose weight, or it's this or 86 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: it's that, and not really taken very seriously. For sure. Yeah, 87 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: it is so interesting. 88 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 6: I think I've noticed that with other things in our 89 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 6: community specifically. 90 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 3: As well, where it's like. 91 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 6: You have the behavior patterns here, right, we see that 92 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 6: manifest but it's like, oh, that's not me. I don't 93 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 6: have whatever that thing might be. 94 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: Right. 95 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 6: Can you talk to us a little bit about your 96 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 6: journey and how you became a psychologist before we dive 97 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 6: into the meat of this conversation. Can you tell us 98 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 6: about that. 99 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I first became interested in I would say, 100 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: just like pathology a little bit like psychopathology is my 101 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: family runs in. My family has it, and it was 102 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 3: something when I was younger and I would see it 103 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: and we wouldn't really call it that, but I was like, oh, 104 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: that's peculiar, and I think that kind of piqued my interest. 105 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: I probably was like around like twelve, and then I 106 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: went to college and of course you take your psych. 107 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: One oh one class. 108 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: I really liked it. And then I was an athlete, 109 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: so at the time I was thinking, oh, in college, 110 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: I was thinking, oh, I'm going to play basketball professionally, 111 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 3: and then after my freshman year, I was like not 112 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: so much. And I really just fell in love with psychology. 113 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: And one of my friends who went to college with me, 114 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: and she was like, you just like stayed the course. 115 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 3: So I got to college and I was networking. I 116 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: met this black woman in Houston who had her own 117 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: private practice and she allowed me to come in for 118 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: summer and shadow her, just like watch her. And she 119 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 3: was just this, like beautiful. She was so smart and intelligent. 120 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, I want to be just like her. 121 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: She had her own practic and she was doing everything 122 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: pretty much by herself, you know, she had an assistant, 123 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: and she really took me under her WII. So that 124 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: was like my sophomore, junior year, sophomore year of college. 125 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: And then I started realizing, you really, if you want 126 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: to go this path, you really need to have your research. 127 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: You need to get experience. But I went to my IO, 128 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: which is an industrial organizational psychologist professor, and I went 129 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: to her and I was like, I'm really interested in 130 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: and she's like, you're not going to be able to 131 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: do it. One your grades aren't high enough and you 132 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: play sports and so you're you don't have time to 133 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: do the extra research. And she was just like no, 134 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,679 Speaker 3: like it's not going to work. So I felt really 135 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: kind of a little bit discouraged. But I was just 136 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: like whatever, And I ended up hustling and getting a 137 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: research like assistant job that I could kind of do 138 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: on the side at University of Houston because I was 139 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: at Rice University, so they're close to each other, and 140 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: did that. Went in got my masters and experimental psychology, 141 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: and that's where I started doing some of the eating 142 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: disorder work. So I did a research project on black 143 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 3: women and white women, and what I had them do 144 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: is look at images that were like real images and 145 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: then photoshop images. And yeah, I think this was like 146 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: a while ago. I don't want to date myself, but 147 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: it was a while ago before we had social media 148 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: where people can photoshop and all of that. But I 149 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: was really interested in it because I wanted to see 150 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: if body dissatisfaction changed between different images, between white women 151 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: seeing ideal images and between black women seeing it. And 152 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 3: we did see that there were some shifts and changes, 153 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: and I was kind of starting to look at like 154 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 3: an ideal And as I went through the program, you know, 155 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: I started learning a whole lot more about culture. 156 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: Manised. 157 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 3: Getting my masters, worked as a neuro psychoanalyst for Pearson, 158 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: which really dealt with a lot of children's assessments and 159 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 3: neuro assessments. Did that really was I realized I didn't 160 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 3: want to do that. I wanted to be more on 161 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: the practicing side of psychology, and started a doctoral program 162 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: in San Antonio Early of Lake University, and then I 163 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: got matched for PREDOC where I met dom at University 164 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 3: of San Francisco their college Counseling Center, and then landed 165 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: at Oakland's Eating Disorder Enhands Program, which was like an 166 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 3: amazing experience, a whole year of just like working with 167 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: individuals that were really struggling with eating disorders that ran 168 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 3: the gamut. And then did that for a year, and 169 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: then landed at Kaiser on staff in San Francisco working 170 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 3: with eating disorders in general population, and then recently opened 171 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 3: up a private practice in San Francisco, you know, doing 172 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: individual therapy couples. I also do mental health and wellness 173 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: talks for tech companies out here. And I just recently 174 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 3: published a book that's going to come out March first, 175 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: so that's coming out too. So that's kind of my 176 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 3: journey a bit. 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Diamond shared her story with that other therapists 195 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 6: on as well and other women that are in the field, 196 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 6: and I noticed that representation is so important in this field. 197 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 6: But you often women often talk about seeing another black 198 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 6: woman that had her own practice that they really admired, 199 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 6: and it sounds like you just you really became the 200 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 6: woman that you that you admired back then. And I 201 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 6: think it's inspiring to that other black women can hear 202 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 6: this and realized that oh she had I think you 203 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 6: said professor who said, oh you can't do that, and 204 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 6: you're like whatever, I'm going to go out here and 205 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 6: make it happen. 206 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: So yes, I love that. Congratulations on your book. Thank 207 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: you welcome. It's so funny. The woman her name is 208 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: doctor Sheila Jenkins. I don't know if I should her 209 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 3: name or not, but and she still has a practice. 210 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: I actually ended up reaching out to her whenever the 211 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: book got plushed because I wanted her to do my 212 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: endorsement because I just thought it was like full circle. 213 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: So I like reached out to her. I'm like, I 214 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 3: haven't talked to her in like ten years, and she 215 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 3: used to write me all my red letters, and so 216 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: I reached out. I'm like, oh, you know if you 217 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: remember me, but like I got this book, da and 218 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 3: she ran back and she's like, oh my god, I 219 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: totally remember you. And she was just like and I 220 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: told her how much she was like the first one 221 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 3: and how she kind of like has been a role 222 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 3: model for me, and it was just kind of full 223 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 3: circle in a way because that was literally two thousand 224 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 3: and five or six when I had the internship, a 225 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: long time ago. 226 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: So you're beautiful, Yeah, I had. That's beautiful. And I 227 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: do think that the importance of mentorship, like people should 228 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: not sleep on that, Like that is a big deal, 229 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: particularly if someone selects you to be their mentor like that, 230 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: that is a huge deal. And then I also want 231 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: to come back to your work with eating disorders, right, 232 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: and you said that you initially got into it because 233 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: you started studying body image, and so what is the correlation, 234 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: Like what's that relationship between body image and eating disorders 235 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: in black women? Like what have you noticed? 236 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: I think there is this common narrative that black women 237 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: are protected from eating disorders because the body ideal in 238 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 3: the community is more of a curvy, a higher BMI, 239 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: and so there was this idea that, oh, they can't 240 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 3: really have eating disorders, right, And what we found is 241 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: like that's not necessarily true. And one thing that we 242 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: know is like ideals really shift and change, right. The 243 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: other thing is that living in a society where you're 244 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: constantly told you're not good enough, you're not attractive enough women, 245 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 3: particularly all women, but black women internalize that it actually 246 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 3: weight can be a way to kind of overcompensate that. 247 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: And that's actually something that I have seen and I've 248 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: seen it too, even in black amles, which is like 249 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 3: no one, no one talks about that and eating disorders. 250 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 3: But it's one of those things where it's like, well, 251 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 3: I don't want to be overweight black and gay, or 252 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: I don't want to be overweight amy black woman, and 253 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: so there's like this other thing that it feels like 254 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: I can kind of shift in control. And I don't 255 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: think that's like talked about a lot, but I have 256 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: heard anecdotally and we can kind of start to see 257 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 3: that in the literature. So just as much as ideals 258 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: can shift and change, we can also want some of 259 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: those ideals that might not be in our community too, right, 260 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: And that's the thing about white people. We're a very nuanced, 261 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: divers heterogeneity type of group, right. We just don't fit 262 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: in a box. 263 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 6: It is so true, so true, And I feel like 264 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 6: this conversation is just so timely based on where we 265 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 6: are today. I mean it's always timely, but it just 266 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 6: is evolved with this social media and all the body 267 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 6: image conversations and the pressure and all that. When you 268 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 6: think about like how you would define eating disorder before 269 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 6: we dive into like, you know, the next question on this, 270 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 6: what at the basic level, like what is it inn 271 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 6: eating disorder? In case someone is thinking like, oh, well, 272 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 6: I wonder you know if is that me? Do I 273 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 6: have an eating disorder? 274 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? 275 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 3: So, and I get that a lot of times too, 276 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: because our culture naturally is pretty obsessed with like diet 277 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 3: and weight and shape. And I mean even if you 278 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: think about like the BBLS, which is this idea of 279 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: having like really wide hips, large buttocks, and a slim waist, 280 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: which is like nearly impossible to do, and so there 281 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: is this idea around there's like an eating disorder, and 282 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: then there's disorder eating. And so what we tend to 283 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: do is when I see a client, and I see 284 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: a lot of people who you're very aware of, like anorexia, blimia, 285 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 3: and like binge eating is like becoming more popular even 286 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 3: though it's one of the most prevalent eating disorders. There's 287 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: actually the most common eating disorder that I see is 288 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 3: called feeding or eating disorder in OS, meaning they actually 289 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: don't fit into that group, right, So that's where we 290 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: say that they might not have an eating disorder that 291 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: is like inner exia, blievia or binge eating, but they 292 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: have these disordered eating patterns. And so the term that 293 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 3: we kind of think about when we see it is 294 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: like engaging in any like binging or purging, emotional eating, 295 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: restrictive eating, which can be dieting, keeping away from certain foods, 296 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 3: calorie counting, extreme dieting, flaxative abuse, like anything of that 297 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 3: nature that you might be engaging in, but it might 298 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: not meet the clinical definition of an eating disorder, which 299 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: is based off the DSM. And so that's kind of 300 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 3: how we are able to tell because I see a 301 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 3: lot of people with disordered eating, like it's pretty common, 302 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: but they might not meet the idea for an eating disorder. 303 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: The other thing is severity, frequency, and impairment are the 304 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: biggest things. So if it's not impairing your functioning, whether 305 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: it's like social, physical health, your ability to to your 306 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 3: job functioning, you might not meet that clinical definition of 307 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: an eating disorder, but you still might have some disorder eating. 308 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So just to make it plain right, we're still 309 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: in a pandemic. I know that there were lots of 310 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: folks that would at the end of the day, they 311 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: would binge on, particularly at the start of the pandemic. Right, 312 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: they would binge on their favorite snacks, but they still 313 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: got up and they went to work and they did 314 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: all the things. But at the end of the night, 315 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: they're binging on Cheetos or my personal favorite Golden Oreos. Right, 316 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: So how do we know if if I'm that person. 317 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: I'll just use myself as an example. If I'm that 318 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: person that at the end of the work thing, I 319 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: have to have my cookies, right, and I say, okay, well, 320 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: I'm going to calorie count. I'm going to allow myself 321 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: one serving of these cookies. But I'm eating this every 322 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: night because that helps me cope with the stress of 323 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: this pandemic. Would we say that that's a problem. 324 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 3: No, So this is what I do to be able 325 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 3: to tell because the word binge, we use this term 326 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: all the time. It's like I binged on this episode, 327 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 3: avenged on this It's like, you don't even know what 328 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 3: that means because it's very subjective, like a binge to 329 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: you eating one serving that might not be a binge 330 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: for someone else. So I always tell people it's like 331 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: four different types of binges. It's like, how like to classify. 332 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 3: There are clinical binges, which is like DSM criteria, which 333 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 3: is what I'm probably like really kind of focused on 334 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 3: day to day, especially in the Kaiser setting, is when 335 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 3: someone eats a significant amount of food I'm talking like 336 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 3: three to four thousand calories in one sitting, like within 337 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 3: a very short period of time, to the point of 338 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 3: feeling uncomfortably full where they can't like move. That's what 339 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 3: we call a clinical binge. They fill out of control, right, 340 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 3: So serving oreos would not fit that, right, So that's 341 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 3: a clinical binge. Then we have compensatory binges. Compensatory binges 342 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 3: occurs if I have a client who restricts throughout the day, 343 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: meaning they you know, there's keeping their calories to like 344 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: twelve hundred, or they're keeping out no carbs, no sugar, 345 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 3: or they skipped meals, and then at the end of 346 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 3: the day because their hunger queues are just like getting 347 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 3: louder and louder and louder and louder. So I binge 348 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: behaviors typically happen in the evening and then they eat 349 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 3: a whole lot of food. But if I look at 350 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: what they eat and I'll write down everything they eat. 351 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: It look and I spread it out. It looks like 352 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 3: it would be kind of like a normal That's what 353 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 3: we call compensatory binge, meaning that we're human, like we 354 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 3: can't go that long without eating, and we do, we 355 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 3: can become very angry because our bodies, like we need food. 356 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 3: And if you you know, you haven't ate for a 357 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: long time, and then you there's a buffet, it's going 358 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 3: to be really hard for you to not control yourself. 359 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 3: And that's just because it's like human evolutionary. So we 360 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 3: call that a compensatory binch. And we like to teach 361 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: people that because if they're restricting all day and we 362 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: don't pay attention to that, and we just see what 363 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 3: they ate at nighttime and it was like a large meal, 364 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 3: but I don't think about the context that they haven't 365 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 3: been eating or they've been over exercising. It's like that 366 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 3: was actually very normal. It's because you're restricting that now 367 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 3: you have this binge episode, and we call it a 368 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 3: compensatory bingch and we. 369 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: Put it in context. Is that the same thing as 370 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: intermittent fast thing? Because I know a lot of people 371 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: who get intermittent fastening. 372 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 3: So so that's why people who who have either an 373 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: eating disorder have had a history of eating disorder, we 374 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 3: would say probably wouldn't want you intern infasting. Here's the thing. 375 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: There are some people who intermun fast and they live 376 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 3: their life and they don't think about it. They do 377 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: it and they move on. Great. Then there's some people 378 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 3: who do it INTERNUNTI fastening and it doesn't work and 379 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 3: it makes them obsessive, they can't control their eating. It 380 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 3: leads into a more clinical binge. And so there is 381 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 3: this great area of some people they're like, I do 382 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: it and it works for me, and I'm like, okay, 383 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: probably not usually seeing them. I'm seeing the people who 384 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 3: they're doing. They're trying to do that diet and it 385 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 3: kicks over and now they're having issues. And I have 386 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 3: seen that where people do a fad diet and they 387 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: had no eating issues before and then they do it 388 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: a fad diet, whether it's an infasting, keto or whatever 389 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 3: it is, and then now they've developed this eating disorder 390 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 3: where they're swinging between restricting and binging and they can't 391 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 3: get off the cycle. And so yeah, that is what 392 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: can happen. There's a lot of grey area with eating stuff, right, 393 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 3: So you have clinical binges, compensatory subjective subjective binges is 394 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: when you're like I shouldn't have ate that. They're like, 395 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 3: I really only wanted to have two sliced pizza, but 396 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 3: I went to this party and I have four slices. 397 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 3: Subjective binge like you ate a couple more sizes. It's 398 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 3: not a clinical binge. Right, This is extremely eye opening. 399 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 6: I'm going to have some personal questions towards the end 400 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 6: of the conversation. So I'm like, well, let me check 401 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 6: in with myself because some things are resonating, but I 402 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 6: want to know, can you talk about some of the 403 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 6: common symptoms of an eating disorder and black women specifically. 404 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, So people typically think of an eating disorder and 405 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 3: they're merely going to someone who doesn't eat, like someone 406 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 3: who doesn't eat and maybe excessively exercises, and then you 407 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 3: might think of someone who purges. And so that's why 408 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 3: there's this idea that we see where black women are 409 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: getting completely unnoticed, which is there our binge behaviors tend 410 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 3: to be more binge eating emotional eating, where we do 411 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 3: have kind of these clinical binges, and it's not to 412 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: say that Black women do not restrict. Oftentimes, if someone 413 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 3: is binging and emotional eating, there's always the presence of restriction, 414 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 3: which means like restricting calories, maybe even your like skipping 415 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 3: meals throughout the day. You're trying to restrict certain types 416 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 3: of foods. But what we will see is that it 417 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 3: tends to be more emotional binge eating that type of 418 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 3: kind of eating, just whereas typically what we'll see which 419 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 3: can lead to also other behaviors of purging s's of 420 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 3: exercising flaxative use. I'm appreciating this conversation. 421 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: Because I think we don't talk about this enough. And 422 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: what you're pointing out is that there are a lot 423 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: of things that as Black women we might be experiencing 424 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: that we're not paying attention to that could be problematic. 425 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 1: And so the one thing that I want to come 426 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: to come back to is like that emotional eating or 427 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: stress eating, because like even in my practice, and I 428 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: don't specialize in eating disorders, someone comes in and it's 429 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: clear that they have an eating disorder, I'm sending them 430 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: to you because that's not my area of specialty, and 431 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: so I want to make sure that they get the 432 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: specific help that. 433 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: They're needing in that regard. 434 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: But I do know that there's a lot of people 435 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 1: who are emotional eating or stress eating, and so can 436 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: you talk to us about what that looks like? 437 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 3: And it's so common, especially in the pandemic. I mean 438 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: it's always been common, but I think the pandemic it 439 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 3: was like, really because you were at home, there's a 440 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 3: lot of uncertainty, So really you can just like focus 441 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 3: on like the food, and it has nothing to do 442 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 3: with food. It's really a response to stress. Is really 443 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 3: what's going on? Right? We have these uncomfortable emotions and 444 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 3: we're trying to figure out a way to cope with them. 445 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 3: And I think this is really important when we talk 446 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 3: about Black women and just the Black community in general, 447 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 3: which is eating disorders may be worse because we naturally 448 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: have more pervasive stress, right. We encounter racism, microaggressions, discrimination, 449 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: sexual harassment. You know, there's a whole lot of other 450 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 3: stuff we deal with too, but that doesn't eve include 451 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 3: just like normal life stress that we're all finance as kids, right, jobs, partners, 452 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: and so the common denominator of emotional eating binge eating. 453 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: A lot of this emotional eating you're talking about is 454 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 3: dealing with like a poor coping mechanism, which is utilizing 455 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 3: food in a way. And so that's the one thing 456 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 3: that I do with people is like we might even 457 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: talk about food, we'll talk about the stress and trying 458 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: to figure out different ways to have better ways to 459 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 3: cope mindful eating because a lot of times we do 460 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 3: mindless eating, so you don't even notice, like you just 461 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 3: ate a whole bag, you like feel very out of control. 462 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 3: And it's important for people to know too that when 463 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 3: we're stressed in our bodies that there's actually physiological things 464 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: due to evolutionarily why we tend to eat. Right, if 465 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 3: you think about it, years ago, right, food wasn't as accessible, 466 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: so it was actually beneficial for us to binge, to 467 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: binge and then we'd have famine bench because we just 468 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 3: didn't have access to food. So there is some biological 469 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 3: things that are going on. Also when we're stressed, our 470 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 3: cortisol pumps through the roof. Right. When your cortisol pumps 471 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 3: through the roof, you actually release blood sugar from your liver, 472 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 3: right because your body is assuming like, oh you need 473 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 3: more energy. Even though the stresses that we deal with 474 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 3: in the twenty first century don't really require us to 475 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 3: like fight or fight or run away from anything. So 476 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 3: now you have this like excess glucose pumping through the body. 477 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: When you have excess glucose in the body, which is 478 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 3: related to diabetes, which is prevalent in our community, it 479 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: actually increases your appetite. Right, You're like more hungry. That's why, 480 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 3: even if you don't get a good night's sleep, you 481 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 3: have more cortisol pump through your body. And a lot 482 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 3: of times people will notice that when they haven't slept, 483 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 3: they feel hungry, hungrier the next day. And so it 484 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 3: can kind of get you on this like really cycle. 485 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 3: And so when I work with clients, I'm really looking 486 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 3: at how are they coping with stress, what does their 487 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: sleep look like? And the types of foods that you eat. 488 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 3: You're eating like high sure foods all the time, your 489 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 3: blood sugar is going to be through the roof, and 490 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 3: you're going to have just an increased appetite and hunger 491 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 3: because those foods just aren't the process. They process all 492 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 3: the good stuff and they put in all the bad 493 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 3: stuff right, and you actually when you eat it, it's 494 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: just like you feel hungry like two hours later. 495 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 4: That is so true. 496 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 6: I'm sure many of us can relate to that. I 497 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 6: want to ask a personal question, and I know that 498 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 6: you probably can't give like an actual diagnosis or anything, 499 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 6: but if we can just kind of talk surface level. 500 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 6: We're very transparent on the podcast. And I have a 501 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 6: history of struggling with depression and anxiety, and years ago, 502 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 6: I wouldn't say I resonated with the eating disorder part 503 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 6: because someone mentioned that and I was like eating disorder, 504 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 6: but disordered eating. I'm like, And so for me, it 505 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 6: was that I had to sell my anxiety and stress 506 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 6: was really it was prevalent. 507 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 3: It was through the roof. And what I did was 508 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 3: I would I was the person that would like work. 509 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 6: All day and I'm like, oh, it's been like five 510 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 6: six hours, I haven't eaten anything, and even like my 511 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 6: stomach would growl and everything that I'd just be in 512 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 6: the zone or I felt like I couldn't eat because 513 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 6: I just felt that anxiety and my god, if that 514 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 6: makes sense, and I really had to be strategic. 515 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 3: About trying to eat. 516 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 6: Have you ever seen any clients like that? 517 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 3: And what what advice did you give them? 518 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: And what do you don't know? 519 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 3: What do you have to say? 520 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 6: About someone who's who's struggling with something like that. 521 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, where you're like stressed all day, don't eat, and 522 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 3: then at the end of the night you're just like 523 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 3: ravenous and so you're eating a whole lot. It's kind 524 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 3: of what you just have it or what would you 525 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 3: describe it as. 526 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 6: I would say, sometimes there's like a binge at night, 527 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 6: but other times it's like it's just like a little snap. 528 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 6: I would say, it's snacking. That's what my husband's and 529 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 6: so you just you snack all day, like you don't 530 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 6: really eat a substantial meal. It's just kind of, oh, 531 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 6: I'll just eat this little thing. But I never had 532 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 6: truck like I always wanted to gain weight, so it 533 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 6: wasn't like I was trying to keep a certain physique 534 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 6: or anything. I think I was just so stressed in 535 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 6: my body that it was kind of it was. 536 00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 3: Hard to eat. 537 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: That makes sense. 538 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: So some people lose their appetite if the stress is 539 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 3: too much, like you can just okay, And everybody's different. 540 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 3: There's some people who are very stressed and they use food, 541 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 3: they use alcohol, they use their phones to kind of 542 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: cope with it. And then there are some people who 543 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 3: you know, they will get really stressed and they'll lose 544 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: their appetite, and it's just you know, genetics. It can 545 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: just be like how you handle stress, because some people, 546 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 3: even if you think about the stress response, right that 547 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 3: we've evolved to have this system is either we are 548 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 3: taught to like fight, we are taught to flee, or 549 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 3: we're taught to freeze. So it makes sense that some 550 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 3: people might just be like just kind of numb out 551 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 3: and like not pay to do it. Numb out that 552 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: is the word. 553 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 6: And it does run in my family because there are 554 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 6: women in my family that also struggle with that. Or 555 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 6: it's like, oh, I don't have an appetite, I'm just 556 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 6: going to drinking insure or like drink this protein shape 557 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 6: because it's the stress. 558 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: So I appreciate that. 559 00:29:59,280 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: Thank you. 560 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: That would encourage people to if they're finding themselves they're 561 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 3: really stressed out of the day, they don't eat, and 562 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 3: then they're really struggling at nighttime with like overeating is 563 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 3: I would probably have them structure their meals to make 564 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 3: sure you're like eating something for breakfast, you're eating something 565 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 3: for lunch, and you're having it not and like literally 566 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 3: programming it in your phone. Because I do have people 567 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,239 Speaker 3: who do that they like don't eat and then they 568 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 3: like beinge and they feel really just like not good. 569 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: So how would you encourage us to support someone? Like 570 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: if we notice, like so Terry and I are working 571 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: and like maybe let's say we're we have a day 572 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: where we're doing a lot of recordings back to back, 573 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: and I know that Terry will snack or not really 574 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: eat a full meal. What would you suggest that I do. 575 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 3: To support her? Yeah, so it depends, right, if someone 576 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: is like, you know, they're really struggling with the eating disorder, 577 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 3: I mean, first and foremost, I think encouraging them to 578 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: seek out help from a professional be the first thing 579 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 3: I would say. And then a lot of times people 580 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 3: will have this expectation on themselves that they're like they 581 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: got to fix it and that we're just humans are 582 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 3: problem solvers, Like, right, we've allved be problem solvers, and 583 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 3: so we might think like, oh, okay, I have to 584 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 3: like get them a meal and have to do this. 585 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 3: So first and foremost, I would say, check yourself first. 586 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 3: So one thing is like noticing your own fat phobia, right, 587 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 3: because this is actually very triggering for clients that I 588 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 3: see is that they'll have friends and family who struggle 589 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 3: with their own body image and they don't and they 590 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 3: talk about it and they're like, oh, I shouldn't beating 591 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 3: this and this body blah blah blah, and I should 592 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 3: be exercising, and they don't realize that it's actually extremely 593 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 3: triggering for the other person, just how they're talking about 594 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 3: themselves and their body. 595 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: And their food. 596 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 3: So the first thing is like being aware of, like 597 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 3: how am I even talking about myself and food in 598 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 3: front of this person? And like do I have my 599 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 3: own fatphobia and like internalize certain ideas about shape and weight. 600 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: So like first thing is like check that because that's 601 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 3: extremely triggering I have. Yeah, that's like a whole thing 602 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 3: with clients. I could do a whole session with them 603 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 3: on that. So thinking about that with yourself. The other 604 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: thing is thinking about how you're doing that to them. 605 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 3: So you want to be careful about commenting on if 606 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 3: you notice someone has lost weight or gain weight, Like, 607 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 3: we don't want to, Like you don't want to comment 608 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 3: on someone's body, right, I think that's something we should 609 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 3: just like not do. But you'd be surprised that even 610 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 3: when people lose weight, people are like oh gosh, you're like, 611 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 3: he lost weight. It's like a good compliment, right, And 612 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 3: that's it can actually be very triggering because then it's 613 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 3: like what they don't say that the next time they 614 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 3: see me. For someone who has eating disorder, that can 615 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 3: like run them rampant, right, Or even if you know 616 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 3: that they haven't eating disorder and they've been trying to 617 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 3: gain weight and you're like, oh, you gain it, it's 618 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 3: like just don't comment on their body out, don't comment 619 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 3: on or food or nice like you look nice that 620 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 3: it yeah, right. And so then if you're you know 621 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 3: your friend you know has struggled with not eating enough 622 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 3: or whatever it might be, you might have an idea 623 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 3: of like, okay, so I'm gonna remind them to eat 624 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 3: or I'm going to pick up something to eat, and 625 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,719 Speaker 3: you don't know if that's like actually helpful or more 626 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 3: anxiety provoking for them because you just don't know how 627 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 3: they're eating. Disort of shows up. So one thing you 628 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 3: can do is like ask them, how can I be 629 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 3: support of you? Like what is it that you need? 630 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 3: And a lot of times in therapy, therapists will utilize 631 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: their social support to help them, so we actually will 632 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 3: teach them the person who's struggling with this concern to 633 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 3: advocate for themselves because sometimes they're like, no, it actually 634 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 3: is really triggering if they do that. Another thing to 635 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 3: do is you can try to figure out other activities 636 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 3: don't that don't surround food, you know, drinking, Like figuring 637 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 3: out some other fun activities to do with this person, 638 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 3: as it can be like really triggering for them. Because 639 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 3: some people might be like, oh, I'm going to take 640 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 3: them out and a meal because that way I can 641 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 3: make sure that they're going to eat. It's like that, 642 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 3: Actually sometimes it's going to be you might actually go 643 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 3: out with them and then they could go home and 644 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 3: feel like really guilty if they're not doing their work 645 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 3: or whatever they are in their journey, and they might 646 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 3: end up like purging or binging or feel like they 647 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 3: have to like excessively exercise. And the reason I say 648 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 3: that because some of these things seem well, it's like oh, 649 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 3: if I buy the meal or if I bring it up, 650 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 3: it seems like really helpful and probably coming from a 651 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 3: good place, but you just don't know what that person's 652 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 3: dealing with and how triggering it can be for them. 653 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 3: So one thing I tell people do is like persons 654 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 3: go see a therapist and be open with them and 655 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 3: just let them know that you're there, like you understand. 656 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 3: You might not understand fully, but you can like listen 657 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 3: and be there and being careful about like what you're 658 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 3: saying about yourself and what you're saying to them or 659 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 3: around them, and how because we're so body focused. Even 660 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 3: if you're like watching TV with a friend. 661 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: You're like, oh god, she looks she looks so thin, 662 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: she looks so. 663 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 3: You know, like that can be triggering, and like try 664 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 3: to stay away from physical parents and like focusing on 665 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 3: other things, right, like really smart. That was funny, like 666 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 3: other things that we were so dynamic and we only 667 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 3: focus on like body and shape and weight, right, which 668 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 3: is kind of interesting. So those are some of the 669 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 3: things that I would kind of encourage people to do. 670 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 3: Those are super helpful. Thank you so much for that. 671 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 6: And I will say, I know for my journey, like 672 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 6: you said, jotting down the mills, like using my fitness 673 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 6: pounds stuff like that, it helps, but also getting pregnant 674 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 6: and being in breastfeeding because it's like I had to 675 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 6: make sure that I'm nourishing my little one so that 676 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 6: and now has me accountable, which is great. But I 677 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 6: think that those tips are also really helpful. And even 678 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 6: seeking out you know, an expert, right, like a mental 679 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 6: health practitioner, that's always really helpful. What about if someone 680 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 6: was listening and they're like, oh this, I never considered 681 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 6: myself to have an eating disorder or disordered eating, but 682 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 6: this episode really resonates any advice for someone who may 683 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 6: be home to beating themselves up. We have some tips 684 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 6: on how to you know where to go and what 685 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 6: to do, Like what if they're beating themselves up about 686 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 6: where they are currently? 687 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it really depends, right, because eating disorders is 688 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 3: so diverse, like or it could be restricting or binging 689 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 3: or purging or excessive exercise. So I mean first and 690 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 3: foremost is like, yeah, definitely go see seek mental health services, right, 691 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 3: but sometimes people are ready to do that, so it's like, well, 692 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 3: what can I do do that? And one thing that 693 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 3: we do is there's a recovery record app and it 694 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 3: was actually developed by a woman who's I think it 695 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 3: was their sister passed away from eating disorder and it's 696 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 3: a really cool app and it's it's not like a 697 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 3: my fitness power app. It's an app where it just 698 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 3: makes sure that you are eating and nourishing your body 699 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 3: throughout the day, and you can kind of track it 700 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 3: like just taking a picture. And it also allows you 701 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 3: to track was I restricting, was I binging? Was I emotional? 702 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 3: Like what was coming up? And it's almost like an 703 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 3: eating disorder like journal, but through an app. So I 704 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 3: think that could be a first step because usually when 705 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 3: I first meet someone, it's the first thing that I'll 706 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 3: have them do. I will do a caveat though sometimes 707 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 3: people can become it like it might not be helpful 708 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 3: for them. So I always like to say that too. 709 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 3: If you find that it's like increasing stuff, then just 710 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 3: don't use it. But you're not tracking your calories, you're 711 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 3: not tracking your macros. You're just saying like, hey, I 712 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 3: ate this for lunch, and like how did I feel? 713 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 3: Did I purge after? Was I restricting? And so the 714 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 3: app will kind of walk you through some of these 715 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 3: questions and it's just a good way for you to 716 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 3: just have more awareness around it. And I think that 717 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 3: could just be a first step. You know, you're not 718 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 3: putting your weight in there, you're not putting your calories 719 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 3: in there, or anything like that. 720 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate these tips, and I appreciate particularly the tip 721 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: around asking someone how can I support you? Like I 722 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: think that that that's of my go to questions, like 723 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: when anybody is experiencing anything, like, well, tell me how 724 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: I can support you, Like what do you need right now? 725 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: How can I be helpful to you right now? And 726 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: So I love that because it gives the other person agency, 727 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: right like you were saying, like it allows them to 728 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 1: say what it is that they need, and then it 729 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: allows me to ask myself, do I have the capacity 730 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: to give them what they need? 731 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 732 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: So I love that, And so doctor Loggins, we have 733 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: thoroughly appreciated this conversation. And earlier you mentioned that you 734 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: have a book and you have a private practice. So 735 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 1: where can our listeners one order your book? And two, 736 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: if they are a resident of the state of California, 737 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: how can they be part of your private practice? Yeah? 738 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 3: So private practice. You probably just fight my website, Tiffany 739 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 3: Woggins dot com, which is really nice. My sister actually 740 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 3: purchased that on go daddy dot com like years before 741 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 3: I was even like a psychologist. Was just quite funny. 742 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 3: So if you're ever interested in individual lebrate or consultation. 743 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 3: I also do mental health and wellness and D and 744 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 3: I talks for organizations too as well a couples therapy. 745 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 3: You can definitely find me on there. And as far 746 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 3: as the book, I actually think I actually have a 747 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 3: book over here. It just came it just came in, 748 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 3: which is it's a CDT workbook for therapists but also 749 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 3: for self healers. And so this will be out and 750 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 3: available on Amazon March first. It's in a couple of weeks, 751 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 3: a really good price point. It's like twenty bucks, so 752 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 3: it's like not that expensive. I also don't get any 753 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 3: more money from it either, so it's not like I'm 754 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 3: trying to. It's actually really helpful. I'm super proud of it. 755 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 3: It has a chapter on there for eating disorders, but 756 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 3: it also the way the book is SAI up is 757 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 3: each chapter has different exercises to help you. So there's 758 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 3: an anger, anxiety, depression, OCD, PTSD, sleep, self esteem, eating disorders, 759 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 3: Like anybody can do something in that book that you've 760 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 3: ever had an issue with. And so I love that 761 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 3: you can just pick it up and you can pick 762 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 3: out what chapter you're struggling with, and really get some 763 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 3: very helpful tips and exercises. That is incredible. Thank you 764 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 3: so much to me. I do want to ask you 765 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:33,320 Speaker 3: what is CBT Cognitive behavioral therapy? Almost had it? Okay, awesome? 766 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Different. We appreciate you. 767 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 6: We appreciate your gift what you do for us, and Lady, 768 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 6: as you listen, make sure you go support Tiffany and 769 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 6: the work that she's doing. 770 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:44,800 Speaker 3: We appreciate you. 771 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: Lady. 772 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time. Thank you guys 773 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 3: for having me. This is awesome. I love I'm so 774 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 3: proud of you guys doing this podcast. I think it's 775 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 3: amazing you. Thank you. 776 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: Hey, lady, is doctor dom here from the Cultivating her 777 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: Space podcast. Are you currently a resident of the state 778 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 1: of California and contemplating starting your therapy journey. Well, if so, 779 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: please reach out to me at doctor Dominique Brusard dot com. 780 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: That's d R D O M I N I q 781 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: U E B R O U S s ar D 782 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: dot com to schedule a free fifteen minute consultation. I 783 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: look forward to hearing from you. Thanks for joining us today. 784 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: Please note that our show may contain conversations about self help, advice, 785 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: self empowerment and mental health, but is by no means 786 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: meant to be a substitute for an ongoing formal relationship 787 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: with a trained mental health provider. If you are someone 788 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: you know is in need of mental health care, please 789 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: visit a Therapy for Black Girls directory Psychology today or 790 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 1: contact your insurance provider. 791 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 7: If you liked what you heard and want to keep 792 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 7: the conversation going, visit our website at cultivatinghirspace dot com 793 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 7: and be sure to tick the Patreon tab to get 794 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:18,479 Speaker 7: access to video content, bonuses, and our weekly after show 795 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,959 Speaker 7: and before we meet again, repeat after me, what's meant 796 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 7: for me? 797 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 2: Will never miss me? 798 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,399 Speaker 3: I don't have to chase tee. 799 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not trying to interrupt the show, but I 800 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: had this random idea I want to share with you, 801 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: and I don't want to forget it. 802 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 6: Tell me, tell me what is it? 803 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 3: Okay? 804 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: So you know how at the start of every New Year, birthday, 805 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:52,320 Speaker 1: new moon, anniversary, new month, new anything, people find themselves 806 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: wanted to have a reset, but they're not sure where 807 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 1: to start. 808 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 6: I sure do What are you thinking? 809 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: What if we hosted a world workshop where we could 810 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: interact with our listeners to talk about stuff like self 811 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,240 Speaker 1: care and self love, oh. 812 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 6: And g and we could even have a session about manifestation, 813 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 6: leaving toxic relationships and becoming our best selves. 814 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,240 Speaker 3: Girl, I am so excited. 815 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 6: I'm sold. We could call it the Vibrate Higher Empowerment Workshop. 816 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that is it. And we could even host 817 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: a live quarterly wind down to check in and build 818 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: community as we vibrate hire all year. 819 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:35,399 Speaker 5: Yo. 820 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 2: I love it, I love it. 821 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 6: I'm sold. 822 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,240 Speaker 1: Let's do it. Lady. 823 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 6: If this sounds like fun to you, visit New Year 824 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 6: Workshop dot com and join us for the Vibrate Higher 825 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 6: Empowerment Workshop. If you want to release baggage, set intentions, 826 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,279 Speaker 6: and manifest the like you desire, this is just for you, lady. 827 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: That's New Year Workshop dot com. 828 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 3: We can't wait to connect with you.