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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey Aron, welcome back to the Book of Joe podcasts.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Playoff Preview edition of the

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Speaker 1: Book of Joe Playoff Baseball, Joe Madden, this is what

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Speaker 1: we have here. I'm Tom Berducci, of course, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna give you my quick thumbnail on what the postseason

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Speaker 1: is and I want your take, Joe, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: get into some of these matchups coming up. I'd love

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Speaker 1: to say it the tournament is about who plays the

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Speaker 1: most clean baseball and does the little things to win.

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Speaker 1: The more I watch it the last few years, the

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Speaker 1: more I think it's about power on the mound, power

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Speaker 1: at the plate. I say this all the time. The

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Speaker 1: last five World champions have all finished in the top

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Speaker 1: four in home runs during the regular season. So if

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Speaker 1: you go by that metric, and I'm not saying it's predictive,

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Speaker 1: but that's the trend so far. The Mariners dodge the

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Speaker 1: Yankees look like they're in good shape. Convince me Joe

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Speaker 1: that I'm wrong and somebody else is able to crack

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, I can't disagree with that particularly the

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Speaker 2: I mean for me, it was always about the pitching.

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Speaker 2: With the Cubbies, we had a hard time in certain years.

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Speaker 2: In fifteen the Mess beat us up, and then in

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Speaker 2: seventeen we couldn't get past the Dodgers, and I thought

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Speaker 2: love of it had to do with pitching as much

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Speaker 2: hit the battle the ballpark, but primarily the other team

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Speaker 2: was shut down our offense. That's what I thought. He

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Speaker 2: with the Rays. When I was with the Rays, God,

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Speaker 2: we had so many wonderful years. Some ended abruptly against

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Speaker 2: We beat the Indians in a one game playoff I

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Speaker 2: think those thirteen, and then of course fell short against

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Speaker 2: Boston just because the offense would falter. So that was

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Speaker 2: always my concern. Part of it was the Rays. We

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Speaker 2: always had good pitching, starting and relief pitching. We were

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Speaker 2: able to make no names, to make them into names,

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Speaker 2: and so on an annual basis. I felt good about

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Speaker 2: that thought. We caught the ball really well. We ran

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Speaker 2: going into this, I, if I had I really still

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Speaker 2: believe in the in the power pitching or these you know,

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Speaker 2: the stud pitchers. I like the starting component of it.

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Speaker 2: I think some teams have that, and then of course

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Speaker 2: the power bullpen, which the Padres really have. So there's

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Speaker 2: It's I I really pay attention to pitching and catching

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Speaker 2: me that really, uh pitch, Well, I'm looking at again.

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Speaker 2: I just mentioned the Padres not unlike with the Royals

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Speaker 2: became very successful with it. So I like, I really

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Speaker 1: I love your point about the pitching because we know,

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Speaker 1: twenty five. But it takes me back to a great

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Speaker 1: story the two thousand and one World Series. Yankees are

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Speaker 1: going up against Kurt Shilling. They've had their hands full

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Speaker 1: You know what's going on. Why can't we get these

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Speaker 1: Tell me we're gonna win this game. And Joe was like,

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Speaker 1: It was just a different kind of vibe when you

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Speaker 1: At some point in the postseason, your team is going

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Speaker 1: that in mind. It's a great point you made about pitching.

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Speaker 1: start out with a fascinating matchup Tigers Guardians. They're playing

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Speaker 1: They're seeing Entre Schooble. The Guardians are for a third

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Speaker 1: you know, bunting, running the bases, creating some chaos. Tell

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Speaker 2: But first of all, you have to get runners on

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Speaker 2: maybe even more assertive. And I think what I'm talking

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Speaker 2: there's no great advantage for the Guardian hitters to seem

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love your strategy there about playing a little

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Speaker 1: concerns me, Joe, and a lot of times we talk

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Speaker 1: But the Guardians have pitched the Tigers so well, and

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Speaker 1: the Tigers hit one ninety nine against spin this year.

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Speaker 1: that Detroit lineup. Gavin Williams is his curveball is literally

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Speaker 1: and you exploited spin, I don't see a reason the DV.

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Speaker 1: I think teams sometimes get into a trap. Joe, maybe

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Speaker 1: especially if it's a divisional opponent. How about the spin

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Speaker 2: would stay with what we had been doing. Absolutely, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's just And I don't care whether it's

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Speaker 2: but seventeen we saw more breaking ball in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: So there's no reason for the guardience to get off

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Speaker 2: There's some young guys, and it always seems to does

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Speaker 1: of Joe. Joe. I thought one of the key injuries

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned that Padre's bullpen, Joe, it's tough for me.

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Speaker 1: shorten a game. You saw this in twenty sixteen with

429
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Speaker 1: Cleveland with their bullpen, and you know, I actually think

430
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Speaker 1: that Mike Schiltz should deploy Mason Miller the same way

431
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Speaker 1: Terry Francona did with Andrew Miller throughout the twenty sixteen postseason.

432
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Speaker 1: In that postseason, Tito used Miller ten times. Nine times

433
00:20:47,558 --> 00:20:50,758
Speaker 1: was between the fifth and seventh innings. So, in other words,

434
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Speaker 1: when he had a lead, even if a one run lead,

435
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Speaker 1: say it's a four to three games, six or seventh inning,

436
00:20:55,998 --> 00:20:58,238
Speaker 1: bring your big guy in. Shut the game down, give

437
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Speaker 1: your team in a bat or two to kind of

438
00:21:00,118 --> 00:21:03,238
Speaker 1: tack on runs. Just hold the game there, take any

439
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Speaker 1: breath of home away from the other team. Don't wait

440
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Speaker 1: for the eighth inning to use your quote unquote eighth

441
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Speaker 1: inning guy. And Mason Miller has pitched mostly the eighth

442
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Speaker 1: inning for the Padres this year. I would be super aggressive.

443
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Speaker 1: I would deploy Mason Miller as my super reliever just

444
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Speaker 1: to take the heart out of a team in the

445
00:21:20,438 --> 00:21:22,558
Speaker 1: middle of the game. They've got enough behind them to cover,

446
00:21:22,758 --> 00:21:24,598
Speaker 1: there's no question about it. But I would not wait

447
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Speaker 1: to use Mason Miller.

448
00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:30,278
Speaker 2: I'm certain that is a conversation that's taken place prior

449
00:21:30,318 --> 00:21:35,078
Speaker 2: to this first game, reminding Miller that, listen, you've primarily

450
00:21:35,078 --> 00:21:36,798
Speaker 2: been in the eighth inning, but you really need to

451
00:21:36,798 --> 00:21:39,278
Speaker 2: be ready a little bit earlier this for these next

452
00:21:39,318 --> 00:21:42,638
Speaker 2: three games, three game series. Man all hands on deck

453
00:21:42,678 --> 00:21:44,638
Speaker 2: all the time. I mean, there is no waiting around.

454
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Speaker 2: There's no like you suggest that you don't wait for

455
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Speaker 2: the eighth or ninth inning. That was something out of

456
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Speaker 2: the past, the way they used to build into that inning,

457
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Speaker 2: into those innings. You don't want to permit the other

458
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Speaker 2: team to recapture it even tie you. You always once

459
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Speaker 2: you grab the leads, you want to keep the lead.

460
00:22:00,718 --> 00:22:02,838
Speaker 2: You don't even want them to tie the game. So

461
00:22:03,238 --> 00:22:07,118
Speaker 2: I'm certain that Shilty's had that conversation already with the

462
00:22:07,198 --> 00:22:09,558
Speaker 2: guys there, and that's how you do it. It is

463
00:22:09,598 --> 00:22:12,358
Speaker 2: a conversation. If guys have been in some normal patterns

464
00:22:12,398 --> 00:22:14,678
Speaker 2: to this point, you have to talk to them in

465
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Speaker 2: advance of this moment so that they're aware that this

466
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Speaker 2: may occur or it's probably going to happen. And when

467
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Speaker 2: you do that, it makes a lot easier flow when

468
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Speaker 2: you get to that point. And it really does help

469
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Speaker 2: when we talk about roles and how guys get ready

470
00:22:26,678 --> 00:22:29,358
Speaker 2: and etc. That some people may poo poo that, but

471
00:22:29,358 --> 00:22:32,118
Speaker 2: it's true. These guys are so structured in how they

472
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Speaker 2: prep for their part of the game. It's really important

473
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Speaker 2: to communicate that in advance.

474
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Speaker 1: That's a great point. These games are played differently, managed differently.

475
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Speaker 1: Don't forget too. You're narrowing down the rotation. You're not

476
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Speaker 1: going to see the back, fourth and fifth guys, especially

477
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Speaker 1: in a wild card series and the bullpen. You're going

478
00:22:49,038 --> 00:22:51,478
Speaker 1: to go to your high leverage guys sooner and narrow

479
00:22:51,598 --> 00:22:54,478
Speaker 1: down that group of choices. So when I looked at

480
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Speaker 1: last year, Joe in the postseason from the seventh inning

481
00:22:57,998 --> 00:23:00,638
Speaker 1: through the ninth inning, the batting average in the postseason

482
00:23:00,718 --> 00:23:05,038
Speaker 1: last year was too nineteen. That's it nineteen. So the

483
00:23:05,118 --> 00:23:07,678
Speaker 1: idea that you're going to put you know, multi hit

484
00:23:07,838 --> 00:23:10,678
Speaker 1: rallies together late, can it happen? Sure it can happen,

485
00:23:10,998 --> 00:23:13,078
Speaker 1: but the odds are a lot less that it's gonna

486
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Speaker 1: happen in the postseason. That's why I think home runs

487
00:23:16,038 --> 00:23:19,478
Speaker 1: and bullpens rule the day in the postseason. And that

488
00:23:19,518 --> 00:23:22,038
Speaker 1: brings me to the La Dodgers. We know that the

489
00:23:22,038 --> 00:23:25,398
Speaker 1: bullpen has been their achilles heel throughout the season. They're

490
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Speaker 1: gonna match up against the Cincinnati Reds now the Reds

491
00:23:28,518 --> 00:23:30,358
Speaker 1: will throw a Hunter Green in Game one, and he

492
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Speaker 1: can flip that entire series. He's one of those pitchers

493
00:23:33,238 --> 00:23:35,358
Speaker 1: we talked about. Joe can go out there and win

494
00:23:35,398 --> 00:23:38,078
Speaker 1: a game by himself. You know, he's got the stuff

495
00:23:38,118 --> 00:23:40,238
Speaker 1: to do it. He's got the length in terms of

496
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Speaker 1: keeping his stuff through a game. That's a little scary matchup.

497
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Speaker 1: The Dodgers, for me, forget about what their bullpen numbers

498
00:23:46,678 --> 00:23:50,078
Speaker 1: were this year. Because in a postseason environment, Tyler Glasnow

499
00:23:50,158 --> 00:23:52,358
Speaker 1: will be in the bullpen. Now, he's not gonna come

500
00:23:52,398 --> 00:23:54,198
Speaker 1: in with the base of load and gettingbody out, but

501
00:23:54,238 --> 00:23:56,278
Speaker 1: he can start ating and pick up two three innings

502
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Speaker 1: for you if he has to in the middle of

503
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Speaker 1: the game with his stuff. Wow, you've got Roki Sasaki,

504
00:24:01,798 --> 00:24:04,918
Speaker 1: who they now have deployed as a bullpen and I

505
00:24:05,118 --> 00:24:07,118
Speaker 1: think he can be used as a high leverage guy

506
00:24:07,198 --> 00:24:09,558
Speaker 1: throwing one hundred miles an hour with a nasty split.

507
00:24:10,118 --> 00:24:12,918
Speaker 1: You've got Emmett Sheen, the starter who's got swinging miss

508
00:24:12,918 --> 00:24:17,118
Speaker 1: stuff in the bullpen. Vessi is probably Alex Vessi is

509
00:24:17,158 --> 00:24:19,078
Speaker 1: their closer here, but I think it's kind of a

510
00:24:19,078 --> 00:24:21,238
Speaker 1: different look the way the Dodgers will run it. That

511
00:24:21,358 --> 00:24:24,078
Speaker 1: being said, no one can match the swing and miss

512
00:24:24,078 --> 00:24:26,998
Speaker 1: stuff in their rotation. I think they go Blake Snell one,

513
00:24:27,438 --> 00:24:32,118
Speaker 1: Yeshobu Yamamoto two, and then you have Showhy at three, winner,

514
00:24:32,198 --> 00:24:35,118
Speaker 1: go home game. Why is he in three? Well, he's

515
00:24:35,198 --> 00:24:38,798
Speaker 1: always played better when he gets a day off after pitching,

516
00:24:39,398 --> 00:24:41,558
Speaker 1: and I think that's what the Dodgers are thinking here,

517
00:24:41,958 --> 00:24:44,358
Speaker 1: rather than pitch him in one and then he's your

518
00:24:44,398 --> 00:24:46,798
Speaker 1: DH in game two after pitching in that game, showing

519
00:24:46,798 --> 00:24:49,158
Speaker 1: the effects of let's face it, you know, it's it's

520
00:24:49,158 --> 00:24:51,918
Speaker 1: the grind pitching a major league game, especially in the postseason.

521
00:24:52,398 --> 00:24:54,918
Speaker 1: This way you can pitch him in three and then

522
00:24:54,998 --> 00:24:57,718
Speaker 1: if you advance, you have him with that day off

523
00:24:57,758 --> 00:24:59,758
Speaker 1: to get him ready for the DS. Give me your

524
00:24:59,798 --> 00:25:02,358
Speaker 1: take on the Dodgers and how they set up for Cincinnati.

525
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Speaker 2: I like what they did. I mean, for them, if

526
00:25:04,238 --> 00:25:05,838
Speaker 2: they win the first two games and show you can't

527
00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:07,958
Speaker 2: pitch the first game of the next series two correct,

528
00:25:07,998 --> 00:25:10,438
Speaker 2: I mean, that's all that's right, that's all part of it.

529
00:25:10,478 --> 00:25:13,718
Speaker 2: I think that's really properly laid out. Only concern, like

530
00:25:13,758 --> 00:25:15,958
Speaker 2: I mean, these starter is going into the bullpen. Yeah,

531
00:25:15,958 --> 00:25:19,318
Speaker 2: this stuff is great. I've always was a little bit concerned,

532
00:25:19,798 --> 00:25:23,158
Speaker 2: just from the perspective of being used to it or not.

533
00:25:23,358 --> 00:25:25,998
Speaker 2: Some guys have a harder time with it than others.

534
00:25:26,278 --> 00:25:27,758
Speaker 2: I always liked, if you're going to do that, if

535
00:25:27,758 --> 00:25:30,358
Speaker 2: you could at least get them an opportunity or two

536
00:25:30,518 --> 00:25:32,158
Speaker 2: towards the end of the season to see what it

537
00:25:32,198 --> 00:25:34,838
Speaker 2: feels like. Again, talking about prep work, how do we

538
00:25:34,878 --> 00:25:37,678
Speaker 2: get ready? The difference you did suggest bring them into

539
00:25:37,678 --> 00:25:40,038
Speaker 2: a clean inning, which is probably wise or is wise,

540
00:25:40,318 --> 00:25:42,998
Speaker 2: because they're not used to coming into dirty innings with

541
00:25:43,038 --> 00:25:46,038
Speaker 2: people all over the place, and that's definitely going to

542
00:25:46,038 --> 00:25:49,158
Speaker 2: present a different mindset for them. And also how they

543
00:25:49,158 --> 00:25:52,798
Speaker 2: get ready, how they get loose and when get up, Okay,

544
00:25:53,198 --> 00:25:55,118
Speaker 2: get ready, get ready for this hit or all that

545
00:25:55,198 --> 00:25:57,118
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. They're not used to that. And I

546
00:25:57,158 --> 00:26:00,318
Speaker 2: know that sounds simplistic or why can't they, but it's

547
00:26:00,598 --> 00:26:03,918
Speaker 2: just not the way they've been programmed. So all these things,

548
00:26:04,318 --> 00:26:07,078
Speaker 2: stuff is going to be the overarching component that always

549
00:26:07,118 --> 00:26:09,798
Speaker 2: is going to matter. First, when you're a relief pitcher,

550
00:26:09,838 --> 00:26:11,758
Speaker 2: you come into a game, you don't have a chance

551
00:26:11,758 --> 00:26:13,518
Speaker 2: to get into the flow of the game. The flow

552
00:26:13,518 --> 00:26:16,238
Speaker 2: of the game's been established. You got to get everybody out.

553
00:26:16,518 --> 00:26:20,918
Speaker 2: There's a higher level of perfection necessary from the relievers

554
00:26:20,918 --> 00:26:22,958
Speaker 2: than there is from the starters in order to win.

555
00:26:23,198 --> 00:26:26,438
Speaker 2: That was the thing I always was critical about in

556
00:26:26,518 --> 00:26:30,398
Speaker 2: post games when relief pictures would get kind of skewered sometimes,

557
00:26:30,758 --> 00:26:33,598
Speaker 2: and you have to understand, these guys have to be

558
00:26:33,718 --> 00:26:37,318
Speaker 2: there the level. The bar's been set to the point

559
00:26:37,318 --> 00:26:40,758
Speaker 2: it's impossible. So there's few that have done like Mariano

560
00:26:40,798 --> 00:26:44,918
Speaker 2: rivera almost perfect I had Percy Troy Percival back in

561
00:26:44,958 --> 00:26:48,118
Speaker 2: the day, almost perfect. There are some of those guys

562
00:26:48,158 --> 00:26:50,438
Speaker 2: out there, but for the most part there they don't exist.

563
00:26:50,478 --> 00:26:54,958
Speaker 2: So that's the part that's difficult. This really bar of

564
00:26:54,998 --> 00:26:59,118
Speaker 2: perfection that's been established for relief pictures hard to attain. So, yes,

565
00:26:59,158 --> 00:27:02,078
Speaker 2: they're on paper, these guys look great, great arms, they

566
00:27:02,118 --> 00:27:05,838
Speaker 2: could throw hard, they throw high velocity, whatever. But to

567
00:27:05,878 --> 00:27:07,758
Speaker 2: be able to go out there and get into the

568
00:27:07,758 --> 00:27:10,718
Speaker 2: flow quickly, I might be overstating this, but that was

569
00:27:10,798 --> 00:27:13,478
Speaker 2: always my concern, and that's what they're going to have

570
00:27:13,478 --> 00:27:15,758
Speaker 2: to be able to do. And I'm sure the Dodgers

571
00:27:15,758 --> 00:27:17,918
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with all this based on the makeup of

572
00:27:17,958 --> 00:27:20,038
Speaker 2: these guys, but that was always my concern.

573
00:27:20,358 --> 00:27:23,558
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's move now to the teams that got buys,

574
00:27:23,598 --> 00:27:26,318
Speaker 1: and there's always talked to Joe this time of year,

575
00:27:26,758 --> 00:27:32,118
Speaker 1: the whole rust versus rest debate. Now, obviously you want

576
00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:34,518
Speaker 1: the rest rather than put your season on the line

577
00:27:34,558 --> 00:27:36,598
Speaker 1: in the three game series. Who wouldn't want to buy

578
00:27:36,638 --> 00:27:39,758
Speaker 1: into the next round rather than risk getting knocked out

579
00:27:40,118 --> 00:27:42,958
Speaker 1: in a dangerous three game series, best out of three.

580
00:27:43,398 --> 00:27:45,958
Speaker 1: So that's proper thing to do. The question is how

581
00:27:45,958 --> 00:27:48,038
Speaker 1: do you handle that now. I'm not a big believer,

582
00:27:48,118 --> 00:27:50,238
Speaker 1: and you can convince me wrong, Joe, if I'm wrong

583
00:27:50,278 --> 00:27:52,598
Speaker 1: here on the rust factor. Are you telling me you're

584
00:27:52,598 --> 00:27:54,438
Speaker 1: going to lose a series because you had four or

585
00:27:54,478 --> 00:27:57,398
Speaker 1: five days off. I'm not buying that, especially today with

586
00:27:57,678 --> 00:28:01,238
Speaker 1: everybody has these trajet machines to simulate game at bats.

587
00:28:01,398 --> 00:28:03,158
Speaker 1: You know, the Mariners, for instance, are going to have

588
00:28:03,238 --> 00:28:05,558
Speaker 1: scrimmages in which they're going to have people in the stands.

589
00:28:05,598 --> 00:28:07,838
Speaker 1: They're gonna have music, they're gonna have announcer, they're going

590
00:28:07,878 --> 00:28:09,758
Speaker 1: to have you know, they're gonna make it as much

591
00:28:09,758 --> 00:28:12,518
Speaker 1: as a game situation as possible. Is it playoff baseball?

592
00:28:12,518 --> 00:28:15,918
Speaker 1: Of course not, but just to provide a little bit

593
00:28:15,958 --> 00:28:17,838
Speaker 1: of an edge. When you have players out there and

594
00:28:17,958 --> 00:28:22,798
Speaker 1: fans are watching, you'll create something of an edge so

595
00:28:23,118 --> 00:28:25,358
Speaker 1: they'll be ready to play. I'm not buying that you're

596
00:28:25,358 --> 00:28:28,438
Speaker 1: gonna lose a five game series because you had five

597
00:28:28,558 --> 00:28:31,238
Speaker 1: days off. I'm sorry, that's an excuse. You can look

598
00:28:31,238 --> 00:28:33,518
Speaker 1: at any number that you want, whether it hurts or

599
00:28:33,598 --> 00:28:36,318
Speaker 1: helps a team. I'd much rather have the days off

600
00:28:36,398 --> 00:28:38,838
Speaker 1: rather than risk playing the first round. Give me your take.

601
00:28:38,878 --> 00:28:41,198
Speaker 1: First of all, the whole rust versus rest thing.

602
00:28:41,838 --> 00:28:44,358
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take the rest. I'll take the rest any

603
00:28:44,398 --> 00:28:47,558
Speaker 2: day of the week. I totally have been involved in that.

604
00:28:47,758 --> 00:28:50,478
Speaker 2: And yes, you get your players that are hurting a

605
00:28:50,478 --> 00:28:53,998
Speaker 2: little bit, the bumps and bruises go away. Your bullpen

606
00:28:53,998 --> 00:28:55,958
Speaker 2: and your arms get a little bit of a break,

607
00:28:55,998 --> 00:28:57,998
Speaker 2: which is very helpful. And then when you get to

608
00:28:57,998 --> 00:29:01,078
Speaker 2: the point where they're actually engaged in, when your series arrives,

609
00:29:01,838 --> 00:29:03,758
Speaker 2: and there are days off that are set up to

610
00:29:03,758 --> 00:29:06,798
Speaker 2: the point where your bullpen at that point should be

611
00:29:06,838 --> 00:29:09,198
Speaker 2: able to survive the rest of this run just based

612
00:29:09,238 --> 00:29:10,918
Speaker 2: on they've gotten this little bit of a rest now,

613
00:29:11,478 --> 00:29:14,078
Speaker 2: and then there are built in rest days which are

614
00:29:14,238 --> 00:29:17,678
Speaker 2: very advantageous, so always take the rest. The other side

615
00:29:17,718 --> 00:29:20,358
Speaker 2: of it is just the opposite. I mean, you have

616
00:29:20,398 --> 00:29:24,518
Speaker 2: to burn. You have to burn guys pretty hotly to

617
00:29:24,638 --> 00:29:27,278
Speaker 2: get through this three game series. Possibly that perfect world

618
00:29:27,278 --> 00:29:28,798
Speaker 2: if you had like a couple of starters that just

619
00:29:28,958 --> 00:29:31,998
Speaker 2: boat raced it in went seven, eight innings and sometimes

620
00:29:32,078 --> 00:29:35,438
Speaker 2: nine in is best out of three, which doesn't happen anymore.

621
00:29:35,438 --> 00:29:37,438
Speaker 2: But if that were to happen, that would be wonderful

622
00:29:37,478 --> 00:29:40,118
Speaker 2: and that could possibly help you. I guess what I'm

623
00:29:40,158 --> 00:29:43,078
Speaker 2: saying is that I was always mostly concerned with my

624
00:29:43,118 --> 00:29:48,358
Speaker 2: bullpen in these situations and rest. My take has always

625
00:29:48,358 --> 00:29:51,518
Speaker 2: been that really good relief pitchers, even airhead guys, they

626
00:29:51,558 --> 00:29:54,198
Speaker 2: don't lose anything. They don't lose their command, they don't

627
00:29:54,238 --> 00:29:57,238
Speaker 2: lose sharpness because they've had rest. Like when a closer

628
00:29:57,638 --> 00:30:02,558
Speaker 2: doesn't appear for several days because the opportunity hasn't arisen,

629
00:30:03,998 --> 00:30:05,318
Speaker 2: go to your clothes and say do you need an

630
00:30:05,358 --> 00:30:08,358
Speaker 2: inning today? And almost always they would say no. They

631
00:30:08,358 --> 00:30:11,038
Speaker 2: don't want to pitch under those circumstances. And the next

632
00:30:11,078 --> 00:30:13,678
Speaker 2: time you got him out there, they're almost always were fine.

633
00:30:13,758 --> 00:30:17,958
Speaker 2: Command was good, stuff was great. So I always prefer rest.

634
00:30:18,038 --> 00:30:20,878
Speaker 2: I prefer rested body and mind. I think the other

635
00:30:20,918 --> 00:30:24,358
Speaker 2: way can be taxing. I'll take the rest always over

636
00:30:24,398 --> 00:30:25,598
Speaker 2: the rest factor.

637
00:30:25,718 --> 00:30:27,918
Speaker 1: So those bullpen guys, they respond to the flow of

638
00:30:27,958 --> 00:30:30,998
Speaker 1: the game. They don't want to pitch in those situations

639
00:30:31,038 --> 00:30:32,478
Speaker 1: without the energy.

640
00:30:32,598 --> 00:30:35,318
Speaker 2: It tends to no, not normally they don't. They don't,

641
00:30:35,678 --> 00:30:38,198
Speaker 2: they don't. It does nothing for them. Quite frankly.

642
00:30:38,278 --> 00:30:41,118
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, let's talk about how it affects those four

643
00:30:41,158 --> 00:30:43,718
Speaker 1: teams with buy First of all, Seattle Mariners, I think

644
00:30:43,718 --> 00:30:46,158
Speaker 1: it helps from a lotcho because Brian Wu has been

645
00:30:46,198 --> 00:30:48,278
Speaker 1: their best pitcher. He's been the rock of their rotation.

646
00:30:49,158 --> 00:30:51,118
Speaker 1: He goes out there and throws six innings just about

647
00:30:51,118 --> 00:30:55,078
Speaker 1: every time want or no runs. He's got a peck issue.

648
00:30:55,238 --> 00:30:57,878
Speaker 1: Hasn't pitched like a week and a half, so I

649
00:30:57,878 --> 00:31:00,838
Speaker 1: think the rest for him has really helped. He played

650
00:31:00,838 --> 00:31:03,358
Speaker 1: catch the other day. He's good to go. I'm not

651
00:31:03,398 --> 00:31:05,398
Speaker 1: sure where they're going to slot him in a five

652
00:31:05,438 --> 00:31:07,438
Speaker 1: game series, but he will pitch one of the first

653
00:31:07,478 --> 00:31:10,038
Speaker 1: three games. I think that's good news for them. The

654
00:31:10,078 --> 00:31:13,598
Speaker 1: fact is Seattle is alive right now. The town of Seattle.

655
00:31:13,798 --> 00:31:16,878
Speaker 1: They're into this Mariners team. They've played tremendous, not just

656
00:31:16,958 --> 00:31:20,198
Speaker 1: down the stretch, but especially at home. The magic of

657
00:31:20,278 --> 00:31:23,118
Speaker 1: Cal Rowley and his sixty home runs. They've got a

658
00:31:23,198 --> 00:31:25,558
Speaker 1: vibe going there that is not going away with some

659
00:31:25,638 --> 00:31:28,638
Speaker 1: days off. I think it's a positive for Seattle.

660
00:31:28,398 --> 00:31:30,318
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. A guy like Will gets a couple

661
00:31:30,318 --> 00:31:33,318
Speaker 2: extra days to make sure this thing settles down. I

662
00:31:33,358 --> 00:31:35,438
Speaker 2: really like him. I mean, who doesn't. I watched this

663
00:31:35,518 --> 00:31:38,278
Speaker 2: kid pitch. He pitches a lot of confidence. I love

664
00:31:38,398 --> 00:31:40,998
Speaker 2: the fact that he wants to go that six six

665
00:31:41,118 --> 00:31:44,718
Speaker 2: plus I love that about him. So yeah, that's great,

666
00:31:44,758 --> 00:31:47,118
Speaker 2: and you're one hundred percent right. There's going to be

667
00:31:47,158 --> 00:31:51,318
Speaker 2: no letdown in vibe or adrenaline or whatever. They'll stay sharp,

668
00:31:51,358 --> 00:31:53,398
Speaker 2: they'll get their work in. You know, whether there's fake

669
00:31:53,438 --> 00:31:56,678
Speaker 2: people in the stands or music whatever being announced, that'll

670
00:31:56,678 --> 00:31:58,798
Speaker 2: just be entertaining more than anything. I know when you're

671
00:31:59,238 --> 00:32:01,798
Speaker 2: I had breakfast on the field for the workout. Wasn't

672
00:32:01,838 --> 00:32:03,918
Speaker 2: like we had a big rest. Was they just a workout?

673
00:32:03,998 --> 00:32:06,918
Speaker 2: They had breakfast served on the field during batting practice.

674
00:32:06,918 --> 00:32:08,918
Speaker 2: We had to. We had all those little trays and

675
00:32:09,118 --> 00:32:13,158
Speaker 2: bunsen burners whatever in the back there heating up eggs, bacon, whatever.

676
00:32:13,558 --> 00:32:15,838
Speaker 2: So in between your time and the cage, you walk

677
00:32:15,878 --> 00:32:17,918
Speaker 2: in the back and have a bite to eat, just

678
00:32:17,958 --> 00:32:20,638
Speaker 2: to try to loosen it up, keep it, keep it fun.

679
00:32:20,718 --> 00:32:22,478
Speaker 1: Breakfast and baseball love it.

680
00:32:22,598 --> 00:32:25,638
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, It's it's like Wimbledon. There's no difference. Yeah.

681
00:32:25,718 --> 00:32:27,878
Speaker 2: I think it's good. I think they're going to be

682
00:32:28,198 --> 00:32:29,918
Speaker 2: that place there. Does rock. I mean it was there

683
00:32:29,958 --> 00:32:33,238
Speaker 2: when they one hundred and what our fifteen games was

684
00:32:33,278 --> 00:32:36,078
Speaker 2: there then, and even even with the Angels more recently,

685
00:32:36,318 --> 00:32:38,798
Speaker 2: their team did okay, they got a loyal following. The

686
00:32:38,878 --> 00:32:42,118
Speaker 2: Mariners got like the northern version of the Padres. To me,

687
00:32:42,758 --> 00:32:45,718
Speaker 2: they got this little cult group that follows them religiously.

688
00:32:45,718 --> 00:32:47,958
Speaker 2: They're there, they show up, and so I don't think

689
00:32:47,998 --> 00:32:50,518
Speaker 2: there's going to be any any form of rust to

690
00:32:50,558 --> 00:32:52,878
Speaker 2: be shaken off them for taking a couple of days off.

691
00:32:52,998 --> 00:32:55,598
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good call. And Toronto as well. The

692
00:32:55,998 --> 00:32:58,198
Speaker 1: rest helps. First of all, they use Kevin Gosman their

693
00:32:58,238 --> 00:33:01,598
Speaker 1: best picture in Game one, sixty two to win the division,

694
00:33:01,678 --> 00:33:03,558
Speaker 1: which was a no brainer. By the way, you weren't

695
00:33:03,558 --> 00:33:05,798
Speaker 1: going to hold back. I mean, what kind of message

696
00:33:05,798 --> 00:33:08,678
Speaker 1: are you sending your team at that point. So he's

697
00:33:08,718 --> 00:33:12,438
Speaker 1: then now good to go for a division series. Another team,

698
00:33:12,518 --> 00:33:15,078
Speaker 1: Joe plays really well at home, and I talk all

699
00:33:15,118 --> 00:33:17,358
Speaker 1: the time about home field advantage in the postseason is

700
00:33:17,358 --> 00:33:19,878
Speaker 1: not really a thing teams at home or sixty and

701
00:33:19,958 --> 00:33:22,438
Speaker 1: sixty four the last three years, but there are certain

702
00:33:22,478 --> 00:33:25,078
Speaker 1: cases where it matters. I think Toronto is one. It's

703
00:33:25,118 --> 00:33:27,358
Speaker 1: a little harder turf for a team that really puts

704
00:33:27,398 --> 00:33:29,478
Speaker 1: the ball play. They strike out the least of Major

705
00:33:29,558 --> 00:33:32,118
Speaker 1: League Baseball that suits their game really well. They're a

706
00:33:32,118 --> 00:33:34,438
Speaker 1: good defensive team and athletic team. That can cover that

707
00:33:34,518 --> 00:33:37,478
Speaker 1: turf and field. This is nothing but good things for Toronto.

708
00:33:37,758 --> 00:33:39,758
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be a hard out because

709
00:33:39,838 --> 00:33:42,718
Speaker 1: they do have a lot of momentum in that ballpark.

710
00:33:43,518 --> 00:33:45,478
Speaker 2: I watched them a lot recently and I do like

711
00:33:45,558 --> 00:33:47,078
Speaker 2: I like their group. I like to where they play.

712
00:33:47,118 --> 00:33:49,998
Speaker 2: They're they're a lot more gritty. I'm using that word often,

713
00:33:50,038 --> 00:33:52,838
Speaker 2: but they're a lot more you know, baseball kind of

714
00:33:53,518 --> 00:33:55,958
Speaker 2: throwback looking group than they had been in the past.

715
00:33:56,038 --> 00:33:58,238
Speaker 2: They didn't play real fundamental game for years in spite

716
00:33:58,238 --> 00:34:00,158
Speaker 2: of having some good players. They were just they would

717
00:34:00,158 --> 00:34:03,678
Speaker 2: just do dumb things on the basis. Defense wasn't tight.

718
00:34:04,118 --> 00:34:06,678
Speaker 2: There wasn't an aggressive nature about them that there is

719
00:34:06,798 --> 00:34:09,918
Speaker 2: right now. So on the field, I do like them.

720
00:34:09,998 --> 00:34:13,198
Speaker 2: I like him. I think Guerrero glad taken to this role.

721
00:34:13,638 --> 00:34:15,718
Speaker 2: He's kind of he appears to be a leader within

722
00:34:15,758 --> 00:34:18,958
Speaker 2: that group. The kid Clement, I love watching him. I

723
00:34:18,958 --> 00:34:21,518
Speaker 2: would want him on my team any day of the week.

724
00:34:21,598 --> 00:34:25,518
Speaker 2: Kirk beyond the plate, this guy's just quietly steady. Like

725
00:34:25,598 --> 00:34:28,758
Speaker 2: him a lot too. I mean, Springer with a nice

726
00:34:28,758 --> 00:34:33,678
Speaker 2: bounce back. Barker Barger, Barger, yeah, Barger, yeah, nice. And

727
00:34:34,798 --> 00:34:37,918
Speaker 2: I love Varshow, I really do Varshow. He's got, like

728
00:34:37,998 --> 00:34:42,078
Speaker 2: the gosh, he's got this look about him that he

729
00:34:42,118 --> 00:34:44,918
Speaker 2: will do anything to beat you tonight, and I love

730
00:34:44,958 --> 00:34:47,798
Speaker 2: that about him. My biggest concern about them because their closer.

731
00:34:48,558 --> 00:34:51,758
Speaker 2: Watching Hoffman pitch good stuff, but man, he could be

732
00:34:51,998 --> 00:34:56,278
Speaker 2: very inconsistent, strike throwing a lot of bad counts. I

733
00:34:56,278 --> 00:34:59,398
Speaker 2: think if you could really be patient there against him

734
00:35:00,038 --> 00:35:01,518
Speaker 2: and really wait for him to get over the plate,

735
00:35:01,598 --> 00:35:03,318
Speaker 2: that'd be great. I know he's got some good stuff,

736
00:35:03,358 --> 00:35:05,998
Speaker 2: great stuff, but that would be my one little rub

737
00:35:05,998 --> 00:35:09,838
Speaker 2: against them watching it is him as the closer that's

738
00:35:09,918 --> 00:35:11,398
Speaker 2: not easy to watch from the dugout.

739
00:35:11,638 --> 00:35:13,758
Speaker 1: I would agree. I think the Toronto bullpen is a

740
00:35:13,838 --> 00:35:17,198
Speaker 1: question mark. Hoffman great stuff but prone to the home

741
00:35:17,318 --> 00:35:19,918
Speaker 1: run ball, which you never want to see with a closer,

742
00:35:19,998 --> 00:35:23,678
Speaker 1: So we'll keep an eye on that. In the National League, Joe,

743
00:35:24,198 --> 00:35:26,758
Speaker 1: I would love to believe that the Milwaukee Brewers can

744
00:35:26,758 --> 00:35:31,038
Speaker 1: win the World Series because I love watching them play baseball. Again.

745
00:35:31,198 --> 00:35:33,398
Speaker 1: The pattern, though, is you're going to have to bang

746
00:35:33,478 --> 00:35:36,358
Speaker 1: the baseball at some point to win games and win series.

747
00:35:36,398 --> 00:35:39,638
Speaker 1: The Brewers just don't do that. They rely on running

748
00:35:39,678 --> 00:35:42,798
Speaker 1: the bases, defense, putting the ball in play, all great things.

749
00:35:42,838 --> 00:35:45,598
Speaker 1: That the reason why they won more regular season games

750
00:35:45,638 --> 00:35:47,798
Speaker 1: than anybody in baseball. But when you go into the

751
00:35:47,798 --> 00:35:50,678
Speaker 1: postseason and your three four hitters of Bryce Terrang and

752
00:35:50,798 --> 00:35:52,958
Speaker 1: Jake Bauers, I'm not sure you can hang with the

753
00:35:52,958 --> 00:35:54,798
Speaker 1: big guys. In terms of the teams that can bang

754
00:35:54,798 --> 00:35:57,558
Speaker 1: the baseball. I want to believe it. We just haven't

755
00:35:57,598 --> 00:36:00,118
Speaker 1: seen a team in the bottom half of home runs,

756
00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:03,238
Speaker 1: bottom half of home runs win the World Series in

757
00:36:03,278 --> 00:36:04,998
Speaker 1: a decade. You got to go back to the twenty

758
00:36:05,038 --> 00:36:09,238
Speaker 1: fifteen Kansas City Royals. So they're zigging, Well, the rest

759
00:36:09,278 --> 00:36:12,078
Speaker 1: of the baseball is zagging. They have to in that market.

760
00:36:12,318 --> 00:36:15,038
Speaker 1: Give me your take on the Brewers. We know they're

761
00:36:15,078 --> 00:36:17,598
Speaker 1: a great regular season team. Can they be a great

762
00:36:17,638 --> 00:36:18,398
Speaker 1: postseason team?

763
00:36:18,678 --> 00:36:21,318
Speaker 2: Well, they can't listen to what we're just talking about

764
00:36:21,398 --> 00:36:23,158
Speaker 2: right now. They can't try to change all of a

765
00:36:23,198 --> 00:36:28,198
Speaker 2: sudden because historically the homer wins the postseason. I would

766
00:36:28,238 --> 00:36:32,038
Speaker 2: double down on being myself. You know, whatever they've been doing,

767
00:36:32,278 --> 00:36:34,158
Speaker 2: make sure that we continue to try at least try

768
00:36:34,198 --> 00:36:36,798
Speaker 2: to do the same thing. Play that same assertive game,

769
00:36:36,918 --> 00:36:41,078
Speaker 2: catch the baseball, run the bases, move the baseball, I

770
00:36:41,478 --> 00:36:43,998
Speaker 2: don't even know how often. Maybe Mrsten a hit and run.

771
00:36:44,038 --> 00:36:48,078
Speaker 2: Maybe this year double steals, whatever it is. Safety squeezes

772
00:36:48,558 --> 00:36:51,878
Speaker 2: catch the ball, picks like they can, but do not

773
00:36:52,198 --> 00:36:56,118
Speaker 2: back off the offense, offensive strategy and being afraid of

774
00:36:56,158 --> 00:37:00,038
Speaker 2: making outs or making mistakes offensively. Whatever you've been doing,

775
00:37:00,118 --> 00:37:02,038
Speaker 2: don't change it. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

776
00:37:02,358 --> 00:37:04,718
Speaker 2: But if you were to change it, not gonna work,

777
00:37:04,758 --> 00:37:07,598
Speaker 2: I believe, so I would really double down on what

778
00:37:07,598 --> 00:37:11,078
Speaker 2: we've been doing. Stay away from the dialogue. Play our

779
00:37:11,158 --> 00:37:13,598
Speaker 2: version of the way this game is supposed to be played.

780
00:37:14,358 --> 00:37:18,118
Speaker 2: Pressure the other team. It's just like Murph having been

781
00:37:18,278 --> 00:37:20,398
Speaker 2: a college coach, and I don't even know if you

782
00:37:20,438 --> 00:37:22,478
Speaker 2: manage an a ball or not. You have to treat

783
00:37:22,518 --> 00:37:24,038
Speaker 2: it like it's a ball. You got to make the

784
00:37:24,078 --> 00:37:27,038
Speaker 2: other team make mistakes. If you want to play the

785
00:37:27,118 --> 00:37:30,478
Speaker 2: same version of baseball that the Dodgers play or the

786
00:37:30,518 --> 00:37:32,838
Speaker 2: Cubs are trying to play in regards to power whatever,

787
00:37:33,158 --> 00:37:35,558
Speaker 2: you're not gonna win that game. So don't even think,

788
00:37:35,598 --> 00:37:39,398
Speaker 2: don't even try to imagine that. Play your version of baseball,

789
00:37:39,838 --> 00:37:42,758
Speaker 2: play to the to the hilt, man double down, make

790
00:37:42,798 --> 00:37:45,918
Speaker 2: it even more asserted than ever. Get these guys frothing

791
00:37:45,958 --> 00:37:48,238
Speaker 2: before the game begins, and or go out there and

792
00:37:48,278 --> 00:37:50,718
Speaker 2: just play boys. I don't care what happens. We're playing

793
00:37:50,718 --> 00:37:53,278
Speaker 2: with house money right now. There's no expectations on this.

794
00:37:53,798 --> 00:37:56,838
Speaker 2: Let's just go play our game. That would be my method.

795
00:37:57,278 --> 00:38:00,718
Speaker 1: And finally, Philadelphia Phillies, I actually think Joe that they

796
00:38:00,758 --> 00:38:04,278
Speaker 1: have the best preferred path to the World Series. Say

797
00:38:04,318 --> 00:38:06,558
Speaker 1: that because you know the Dodgers have to put things

798
00:38:06,558 --> 00:38:08,558
Speaker 1: on the line in the first round. Anything can happen.

799
00:38:09,118 --> 00:38:11,958
Speaker 1: Phillies have the home field advantage other than Milwaukee in

800
00:38:11,998 --> 00:38:14,358
Speaker 1: the National League, so first round the Division Series, at

801
00:38:14,438 --> 00:38:16,918
Speaker 1: least for Philly they'll have home field advantage. They're a great,

802
00:38:17,118 --> 00:38:20,598
Speaker 1: great home team. The left handed power plays in that ballpark.

803
00:38:20,878 --> 00:38:23,158
Speaker 1: We know about the energy and the vibe in that ballpark.

804
00:38:23,878 --> 00:38:26,118
Speaker 1: Rest shouldn't hurt them at all. In fact, Trey Turner

805
00:38:26,158 --> 00:38:27,838
Speaker 1: should be even healthier. He did come back for the

806
00:38:27,918 --> 00:38:30,038
Speaker 1: last day of the regular season. I'm not sure how

807
00:38:30,118 --> 00:38:32,598
Speaker 1: much he's going to run coming off the hamstring, but

808
00:38:33,318 --> 00:38:35,318
Speaker 1: having him back at the top of the lineup really helps.

809
00:38:35,598 --> 00:38:37,958
Speaker 1: You've got Schwarber and Harper, and I love that Robbie

810
00:38:37,998 --> 00:38:40,438
Speaker 1: Thompson has them back to back because with Schwarburn now

811
00:38:40,478 --> 00:38:42,558
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Go ahead, bring your lefty in against

812
00:38:42,598 --> 00:38:44,598
Speaker 1: those two. They don't care. Get them up as much

813
00:38:44,598 --> 00:38:48,038
Speaker 1: as possible. They're a handful Philadelphia Phillies. I love the

814
00:38:48,078 --> 00:38:50,918
Speaker 1: way they finished the regular season. Of course know Zach Wheeler,

815
00:38:51,038 --> 00:38:53,278
Speaker 1: but there's still plenty there for the Phillies. Give me

816
00:38:53,318 --> 00:38:56,718
Speaker 1: your take on Philly coming off. Essentially we'll call it

817
00:38:56,758 --> 00:38:59,598
Speaker 1: a bye week as they start division play on Saturday.

818
00:38:59,798 --> 00:39:03,518
Speaker 2: This version of the Phillies is an accumulation of historical

819
00:39:03,558 --> 00:39:07,198
Speaker 2: Philly teams. They're they they're just a bunch of tough guys.

820
00:39:08,838 --> 00:39:11,798
Speaker 2: They fit in really well with the culture of that city. Uh.

821
00:39:11,878 --> 00:39:15,478
Speaker 2: They embrace it. They don't repel it. They're not going

822
00:39:15,558 --> 00:39:19,038
Speaker 2: to be cowered, upset whatever. They're not gonna go into

823
00:39:19,038 --> 00:39:20,718
Speaker 2: a shell if they happen to be booed once in

824
00:39:20,758 --> 00:39:24,558
Speaker 2: a while. The makeup of that team and Nebrawski, David

825
00:39:24,598 --> 00:39:26,438
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know how much of that was

826
00:39:26,478 --> 00:39:28,478
Speaker 2: a part of his assembling of this group. But they

827
00:39:28,798 --> 00:39:33,118
Speaker 2: they really just strip with self confidence and they're not concerned.

828
00:39:33,438 --> 00:39:35,558
Speaker 2: They don't worry about making mistakes, they don't worry about

829
00:39:35,838 --> 00:39:38,038
Speaker 2: the bad moment. They just we wanted the next one.

830
00:39:38,278 --> 00:39:41,038
Speaker 2: So I love that about them. I think, you know,

831
00:39:41,078 --> 00:39:43,918
Speaker 2: the BoA's group, and and even like the Darren Daltons

832
00:39:43,918 --> 00:39:46,398
Speaker 2: of the world, that that particular group, David Hollins, I mean,

833
00:39:46,438 --> 00:39:48,998
Speaker 2: all these guys there, they they're cut from that cloth,

834
00:39:49,078 --> 00:39:51,918
Speaker 2: and I really like them for that. A lot hamstring

835
00:39:52,038 --> 00:39:54,598
Speaker 2: is really tough one. I mean, he does need to

836
00:39:54,638 --> 00:39:57,158
Speaker 2: be playing with a little bit of a governor on him.

837
00:39:57,278 --> 00:39:59,638
Speaker 2: You don't want to mess with that. I'm I'm a

838
00:39:59,638 --> 00:40:03,358
Speaker 2: professional hamstring puller from way back, and they and they hurt,

839
00:40:03,598 --> 00:40:05,718
Speaker 2: and you do definitely guard against it. So I would

840
00:40:05,718 --> 00:40:08,398
Speaker 2: bet that he is gonna be a little bit concerned

841
00:40:08,398 --> 00:40:11,518
Speaker 2: with that or not full full bore back to back

842
00:40:11,558 --> 00:40:13,438
Speaker 2: with your lefties. I'm okay with that. If a left

843
00:40:13,478 --> 00:40:15,878
Speaker 2: he hits a lefty, bring them on, man. You know

844
00:40:15,958 --> 00:40:18,278
Speaker 2: that was something I I There was a time I

845
00:40:18,318 --> 00:40:22,358
Speaker 2: played Aki Wim wore up Carl Crawford and Carlospana back

846
00:40:22,358 --> 00:40:24,758
Speaker 2: to back to back, and you know, of course Andrew

847
00:40:24,798 --> 00:40:26,838
Speaker 2: went nuts with that, but I thought it was our

848
00:40:26,878 --> 00:40:29,918
Speaker 2: best method. And when you show that kind of confidence

849
00:40:29,918 --> 00:40:32,958
Speaker 2: in your guys, they're gonna they're gonna repay you for that.

850
00:40:32,998 --> 00:40:35,518
Speaker 2: You watch and see. So there's so much to like

851
00:40:35,678 --> 00:40:38,198
Speaker 2: about this Phillies group. And the last point, there are

852
00:40:38,198 --> 00:40:41,398
Speaker 2: three left tendant starters. I love I do. I think

853
00:40:41,478 --> 00:40:44,158
Speaker 2: they're They're fantastic. So if they're running to some of

854
00:40:44,158 --> 00:40:46,678
Speaker 2: these teams with left handed hitting strength, they should be

855
00:40:46,718 --> 00:40:48,038
Speaker 2: able to mitigate that somewhat.

856
00:40:48,278 --> 00:40:50,918
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Joe, don't overthink it. You know people

857
00:40:50,918 --> 00:40:53,038
Speaker 1: are saying, do you have to get ready in there now?

858
00:40:53,078 --> 00:40:55,678
Speaker 1: I have. There're your three best pitchers. Start them. It's

859
00:40:55,718 --> 00:40:59,078
Speaker 1: like Aaron Boone with with Freed and Rodain starting one two.

860
00:40:59,198 --> 00:41:01,678
Speaker 1: Go with your best. You don't care about them. Those

861
00:41:01,718 --> 00:41:04,918
Speaker 1: are the twelve postseason teams. It'll be a fascinating tournament.

862
00:41:04,918 --> 00:41:08,438
Speaker 1: It always is. I love the first round because there

863
00:41:08,518 --> 00:41:11,678
Speaker 1: is so much urgency to these games. We'll see what happens.

864
00:41:11,718 --> 00:41:14,038
Speaker 1: In the meantime. We're gonna take a quick break and

865
00:41:14,118 --> 00:41:17,558
Speaker 1: we get back. We're gonna talk about three managerial changes

866
00:41:17,758 --> 00:41:21,918
Speaker 1: made already and there may be more coming. Dive into

867
00:41:21,958 --> 00:41:36,678
Speaker 1: that right after this on the Book of Joe, Welcome

868
00:41:36,718 --> 00:41:38,878
Speaker 1: back to the Book of Joe. Caught me a little

869
00:41:38,918 --> 00:41:41,958
Speaker 1: bit off guard, Joe that the fact that Bruce Bochie

870
00:41:41,998 --> 00:41:44,638
Speaker 1: is not coming back to the Texas Rangers. It was

871
00:41:44,678 --> 00:41:49,078
Speaker 1: announced as a quote unquote mutual decision. I'm talking to

872
00:41:49,118 --> 00:41:51,438
Speaker 1: somebody who's been there before when it comes to that,

873
00:41:52,158 --> 00:41:55,198
Speaker 1: and I mean, obviously a Hall of Famer first ballot

874
00:41:55,198 --> 00:41:59,598
Speaker 1: easy for Bruce Bochie. He's managed more Major League games

875
00:41:59,638 --> 00:42:04,238
Speaker 1: than anybody but Tony LaRussa, Connie Mack and John Agra.

876
00:42:04,838 --> 00:42:07,718
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just amazing. You know, they hired Skip

877
00:42:07,718 --> 00:42:11,438
Speaker 1: Schumacher last year to be on staff there as sort

878
00:42:11,438 --> 00:42:14,318
Speaker 1: of the manager in waiting. Did it surprise you that

879
00:42:14,718 --> 00:42:15,638
Speaker 1: Boach is moving on?

880
00:42:16,078 --> 00:42:18,638
Speaker 2: Honestly, it did not. I mean they got what they

881
00:42:18,678 --> 00:42:20,518
Speaker 2: wanted when they won the World Series. There are a

882
00:42:20,518 --> 00:42:23,598
Speaker 2: couple of years ago and having done the job before,

883
00:42:23,598 --> 00:42:25,758
Speaker 2: and what's going on right now and how baseball is

884
00:42:25,758 --> 00:42:28,838
Speaker 2: transitioning into a more of a front office kind of

885
00:42:28,838 --> 00:42:31,558
Speaker 2: a situation as opposed to a Doug Out or field situation.

886
00:42:32,278 --> 00:42:34,958
Speaker 2: I would bet he was good. He was good. I mean,

887
00:42:35,358 --> 00:42:38,158
Speaker 2: there's nothing left to add to the resume. There just isn't.

888
00:42:38,238 --> 00:42:40,998
Speaker 2: He's done it all. He's wonderful, he's a great guy.

889
00:42:41,558 --> 00:42:44,598
Speaker 2: I'm sure the idea of hanging out there's summer back

890
00:42:45,038 --> 00:42:47,998
Speaker 2: in San Diego, whatever me with his family and friends

891
00:42:48,718 --> 00:42:51,638
Speaker 2: has to be a strong allure, and I don't think

892
00:42:51,638 --> 00:42:53,438
Speaker 2: there's any amount of money that would make him want

893
00:42:53,478 --> 00:42:56,278
Speaker 2: to not do that. So I think the fact that

894
00:42:56,318 --> 00:42:59,598
Speaker 2: they've won the World Series while he was there made

895
00:42:59,638 --> 00:43:01,638
Speaker 2: it a lot easier for him to make this decision

896
00:43:01,678 --> 00:43:01,998
Speaker 2: right now.

897
00:43:02,478 --> 00:43:05,438
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's already speculator and actually had been before

898
00:43:05,598 --> 00:43:08,798
Speaker 1: that maybe he's the guy for Buster Posey to manage

899
00:43:08,798 --> 00:43:12,438
Speaker 1: the Giants. And Buster made that move where he did

900
00:43:12,438 --> 00:43:15,118
Speaker 1: not bring back Bob Melvin, even though he did extend

901
00:43:15,198 --> 00:43:17,238
Speaker 1: him in the course of the season last year. He thought,

902
00:43:17,718 --> 00:43:19,358
Speaker 1: and I agree with this. I thought it was a

903
00:43:19,358 --> 00:43:21,838
Speaker 1: good move to show stability to your group. You don't

904
00:43:21,878 --> 00:43:23,438
Speaker 1: want guys sitting there in the second half of the

905
00:43:23,478 --> 00:43:25,038
Speaker 1: season saying, well, is this guy going to be there

906
00:43:25,038 --> 00:43:27,598
Speaker 1: next year? I hate that situation. So that was the

907
00:43:27,678 --> 00:43:30,838
Speaker 1: right move. But then they you know, last week, last

908
00:43:30,918 --> 00:43:33,758
Speaker 1: month of the season didn't play necessarily well. They did

909
00:43:33,798 --> 00:43:35,998
Speaker 1: have one hot stretch where they went thirteen and three,

910
00:43:36,078 --> 00:43:38,478
Speaker 1: but fell out of it. I understand it. Buster Posey's

911
00:43:38,518 --> 00:43:40,478
Speaker 1: going to want his own guy, right. I mean, you

912
00:43:40,558 --> 00:43:42,518
Speaker 1: take control of a baseball team as a president of

913
00:43:42,518 --> 00:43:45,278
Speaker 1: baseball operations, and you want your own manager in there.

914
00:43:45,358 --> 00:43:47,678
Speaker 1: I get that. I'm not sure it was going to

915
00:43:47,718 --> 00:43:49,998
Speaker 1: be or will be, Bruce Bochi. I think he's going

916
00:43:50,038 --> 00:43:53,718
Speaker 1: to look elsewhere. Interesting name to watch here, the Tennessee

917
00:43:53,758 --> 00:43:57,478
Speaker 1: baseball coach Tony Vitello. That would be fascinating. There's already

918
00:43:57,478 --> 00:44:01,078
Speaker 1: been contact there. We'll see, but Buster is going to

919
00:44:01,078 --> 00:44:03,238
Speaker 1: take his time do his homework. I love what he's

920
00:44:03,278 --> 00:44:05,998
Speaker 1: doing there, changing the culture there with the Giants. Just

921
00:44:06,318 --> 00:44:08,678
Speaker 1: know where he's going. What was your take on Buster

922
00:44:08,798 --> 00:44:10,998
Speaker 1: making the move with Bob Melvin not coming back.

923
00:44:11,278 --> 00:44:13,958
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't completely surprised. I didn't even realize about

924
00:44:13,958 --> 00:44:15,598
Speaker 2: the extension, but that was the right thing to do.

925
00:44:15,638 --> 00:44:18,398
Speaker 2: I agree with that. The criterion is changed regarding who

926
00:44:18,478 --> 00:44:20,878
Speaker 2: to hire as your major league manager. What maybe Bobby

927
00:44:20,918 --> 00:44:23,518
Speaker 2: Winkles might have been the last collegiate was Bobby did

928
00:44:23,518 --> 00:44:25,078
Speaker 2: he come out of ASU to do that or was

929
00:44:25,438 --> 00:44:27,838
Speaker 2: he already professional at that time?

930
00:44:28,198 --> 00:44:31,118
Speaker 1: You might be right about that. I will say, Joe,

931
00:44:31,158 --> 00:44:34,478
Speaker 1: that college baseball's really changed to me. It really is

932
00:44:34,598 --> 00:44:38,798
Speaker 1: another minor league for the major leagues. Remember they reduced

933
00:44:38,838 --> 00:44:40,998
Speaker 1: a number of minor league teams that are out there.

934
00:44:41,798 --> 00:44:45,318
Speaker 1: The technology that's being available to college at the way

935
00:44:45,318 --> 00:44:49,158
Speaker 1: they play college baseball now, bigger stadiums, sec, you name it.

936
00:44:49,718 --> 00:44:51,798
Speaker 1: It's the reason why guys are getting the big leagues quicker.

937
00:44:51,838 --> 00:44:55,518
Speaker 1: And it's a lot because the college game is really

938
00:44:55,958 --> 00:44:58,638
Speaker 1: a pretty close proximity to minor league baseball.

939
00:44:58,918 --> 00:45:01,238
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean when I was a young scout in

940
00:45:01,438 --> 00:45:03,118
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one to eighty two eighty three, I do

941
00:45:03,918 --> 00:45:08,118
Speaker 2: Arizona was my base, and I'd go to Packard Stadium,

942
00:45:08,998 --> 00:45:11,478
Speaker 2: who if almost nightly between there, and then I drive

943
00:45:11,558 --> 00:45:13,798
Speaker 2: down to Tucson, a CEO of a that was pretty

944
00:45:13,798 --> 00:45:16,438
Speaker 2: good baseball back then too. Man. I saw Joe McGrain

945
00:45:16,558 --> 00:45:20,318
Speaker 2: and Ericson be the hit guys with the Arizona staff.

946
00:45:20,318 --> 00:45:22,798
Speaker 2: And then you go to ASU. You had Bonds in

947
00:45:22,918 --> 00:45:25,678
Speaker 2: left field, you had Kevin Roman in center field, you

948
00:45:25,718 --> 00:45:28,718
Speaker 2: had all these other dudes, Donna Hill at shortstop, Alvin

949
00:45:28,798 --> 00:45:30,958
Speaker 2: Davis at first base. I mean, trust me, it's been

950
00:45:30,998 --> 00:45:32,998
Speaker 2: going on. That's how I Scott at Wally Joyner, I

951
00:45:33,038 --> 00:45:35,838
Speaker 2: signed Wally Joinner BYU comes down, they got a whole

952
00:45:35,838 --> 00:45:39,158
Speaker 2: bunch of guys. It was a Corey Snyder and all

953
00:45:39,158 --> 00:45:42,398
Speaker 2: these dudes. So I've seen some really good college baseball

954
00:45:42,438 --> 00:45:44,398
Speaker 2: for a long time, and I actually thought it went

955
00:45:44,438 --> 00:45:47,438
Speaker 2: the other way. I thought it was less impressive than

956
00:45:47,478 --> 00:45:49,438
Speaker 2: when I first started out scouting, when I was still

957
00:45:49,478 --> 00:45:51,198
Speaker 2: involved in the game. You get these guys coming out

958
00:45:51,238 --> 00:45:53,838
Speaker 2: of college, and there's some nice guys, but I just

959
00:45:53,918 --> 00:45:56,678
Speaker 2: thought the glut the numbers back then, My god, of

960
00:45:56,718 --> 00:45:59,558
Speaker 2: these guys coming out were pretty fantastic and really really

961
00:45:59,558 --> 00:46:01,478
Speaker 2: good players. And of course that was right at the

962
00:46:01,518 --> 00:46:03,718
Speaker 2: end of me playing. I'm coming out of like Boulder Collar,

963
00:46:04,518 --> 00:46:06,478
Speaker 2: were I'm playing with like Joe Carter and all these

964
00:46:06,558 --> 00:46:10,198
Speaker 2: dudes and Spike O and so college baseball has always

965
00:46:10,198 --> 00:46:12,518
Speaker 2: been a good feeding system for the major leagues. I

966
00:46:12,518 --> 00:46:15,518
Speaker 2: think right now, the difference is the fact that there

967
00:46:15,598 --> 00:46:18,638
Speaker 2: is fewer minor leagues and the fact that the front

968
00:46:18,638 --> 00:46:22,198
Speaker 2: offices really like the more academic approach to doing this,

969
00:46:22,918 --> 00:46:25,678
Speaker 2: and the fact that they're going to be they're going

970
00:46:25,718 --> 00:46:29,758
Speaker 2: to get a more academically oriented coach, manager, whatever, compared

971
00:46:29,758 --> 00:46:32,758
Speaker 2: to the crusty old guys that came up back in

972
00:46:32,798 --> 00:46:34,758
Speaker 2: the day that had to earn their way to the

973
00:46:34,758 --> 00:46:38,198
Speaker 2: big leagues and go to all these different outposts and

974
00:46:38,278 --> 00:46:40,438
Speaker 2: really understand the game in a different way. That's not

975
00:46:40,558 --> 00:46:43,438
Speaker 2: necessary anymore, so criterion has changed. I'm not saying it's

976
00:46:43,478 --> 00:46:45,598
Speaker 2: good or bad. It's just the way it is. So

977
00:46:45,878 --> 00:46:48,638
Speaker 2: it would not surprise me to see something like that.

978
00:46:49,078 --> 00:46:51,558
Speaker 2: But I will argue that if in fact, people are

979
00:46:51,598 --> 00:46:54,118
Speaker 2: thinking that there's better players coming out of college right now,

980
00:46:54,638 --> 00:46:56,198
Speaker 2: I could go back there and if I went through

981
00:46:56,238 --> 00:47:00,078
Speaker 2: my archives, which I got here somewhere, all the guys

982
00:47:00,158 --> 00:47:04,398
Speaker 2: that I scout at just me in my territory. College

983
00:47:04,438 --> 00:47:07,518
Speaker 2: baseball has done a great job of providing Major League

984
00:47:07,518 --> 00:47:08,398
Speaker 2: to time for many years.

985
00:47:08,678 --> 00:47:11,358
Speaker 1: I will say this about Buster Posey, Joe, He's going

986
00:47:11,438 --> 00:47:15,358
Speaker 1: to find someone who is a leader. He needs someone

987
00:47:15,438 --> 00:47:18,518
Speaker 1: to establish the winning culture that that's all he knew

988
00:47:18,598 --> 00:47:21,518
Speaker 1: with the Giants, that culture that was established. He's trying

989
00:47:21,558 --> 00:47:23,878
Speaker 1: to get there. Is not going to be so much

990
00:47:23,958 --> 00:47:26,478
Speaker 1: of a game manager. First of all, I don't think

991
00:47:26,478 --> 00:47:28,958
Speaker 1: that's changed a lot across baseball. There's so much input.

992
00:47:29,038 --> 00:47:31,278
Speaker 1: As you know better than anybody from the front office.

993
00:47:31,358 --> 00:47:35,238
Speaker 1: You have to find a leader of players. You know,

994
00:47:35,558 --> 00:47:38,518
Speaker 1: you'd love to have your players take that leadership role

995
00:47:38,558 --> 00:47:41,838
Speaker 1: in terms of setting a culture, but you get a

996
00:47:41,878 --> 00:47:44,158
Speaker 1: manager who does it. That's what Buster Posey is going

997
00:47:44,238 --> 00:47:46,398
Speaker 1: to find. I think who that is, I'm not sure,

998
00:47:46,438 --> 00:47:49,638
Speaker 1: but that's going to be, like, I think his highest priority.

999
00:47:49,678 --> 00:47:51,958
Speaker 1: Who is going to set the proper culture here what

1000
00:47:51,998 --> 00:47:53,598
Speaker 1: it means to be a San Francisco Giant.

1001
00:47:53,798 --> 00:47:55,998
Speaker 2: Could I say someone that. I mean, okay, if that's

1002
00:47:55,998 --> 00:47:57,838
Speaker 2: the fact that you're looking for, if you're looking for

1003
00:47:57,838 --> 00:48:00,398
Speaker 2: a leader, then permit him to lead. I mean, that's

1004
00:48:00,518 --> 00:48:01,758
Speaker 2: that's my whole point with all that.

1005
00:48:01,838 --> 00:48:04,278
Speaker 1: I think he will, Joe, I think he will. I

1006
00:48:04,318 --> 00:48:07,198
Speaker 1: think in the past, you know, Farhans Aedi was more

1007
00:48:07,238 --> 00:48:10,518
Speaker 1: about trying to get every incremental edge, and the roster

1008
00:48:10,558 --> 00:48:12,998
Speaker 1: would change almost on a daily basis. And we've already

1009
00:48:12,998 --> 00:48:15,838
Speaker 1: seen with Buster he's not so quick to change the roster,

1010
00:48:16,118 --> 00:48:19,238
Speaker 1: you know, make out lineups, things like that. So I

1011
00:48:19,278 --> 00:48:22,118
Speaker 1: think with the right manager, I think he will allow

1012
00:48:22,398 --> 00:48:24,678
Speaker 1: as much as they do in today's game, right right right,

1013
00:48:24,798 --> 00:48:26,478
Speaker 1: that leader to lead. It's a great point.

1014
00:48:26,598 --> 00:48:30,118
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I listen, I'm just speaking from experience

1015
00:48:30,198 --> 00:48:33,318
Speaker 2: on this one. There was a time when I thought,

1016
00:48:33,478 --> 00:48:35,998
Speaker 2: and I believe this, I've actually said it in different

1017
00:48:35,998 --> 00:48:38,758
Speaker 2: fireside chats that I've had, there was a time that

1018
00:48:38,918 --> 00:48:41,758
Speaker 2: to me to lead was to empower people. I need

1019
00:48:41,838 --> 00:48:45,918
Speaker 2: today's world. To lead is to control people's That's my concern.

1020
00:48:46,278 --> 00:48:49,358
Speaker 2: I think that the definition of leadership is from the

1021
00:48:49,438 --> 00:48:54,518
Speaker 2: perspective of who is hiring this leader. The hiring process

1022
00:48:54,598 --> 00:48:57,998
Speaker 2: wants more control over this leader as opposed to empowerment

1023
00:48:57,998 --> 00:49:01,398
Speaker 2: of this leader. That's my take on things, and I'll

1024
00:49:01,518 --> 00:49:04,238
Speaker 2: argue that with anybody. I think it's true. I think

1025
00:49:04,278 --> 00:49:06,958
Speaker 2: the way things are not just in baseball. I think

1026
00:49:06,998 --> 00:49:10,198
Speaker 2: you've seen in football, and even when I read about basketball,

1027
00:49:10,398 --> 00:49:12,798
Speaker 2: it's not just about hiring this guy because the person

1028
00:49:12,838 --> 00:49:15,958
Speaker 2: coming into. Vision of that person is not necessarily important

1029
00:49:15,958 --> 00:49:17,998
Speaker 2: like it had been. The vision of that person coming

1030
00:49:18,078 --> 00:49:21,838
Speaker 2: in would be to cooperate to the point where subjugate

1031
00:49:21,878 --> 00:49:23,798
Speaker 2: what he believes in it in a sense, in order

1032
00:49:24,078 --> 00:49:27,118
Speaker 2: because this group coming in is the front office whatever,

1033
00:49:27,598 --> 00:49:31,918
Speaker 2: that's what's become more of the leader component of this

1034
00:49:31,958 --> 00:49:34,958
Speaker 2: as opposed to any fiery speech a manager a coach

1035
00:49:34,998 --> 00:49:36,758
Speaker 2: can give in a locker room anymore, it's just not

1036
00:49:36,878 --> 00:49:39,758
Speaker 2: that way. I think football still has some of that

1037
00:49:39,838 --> 00:49:42,958
Speaker 2: bastion involved with that. I think baseball less and less

1038
00:49:43,038 --> 00:49:47,158
Speaker 2: because they're so reliant upon data and information and being

1039
00:49:47,198 --> 00:49:49,798
Speaker 2: told what to do. It's hard to know what you

1040
00:49:49,878 --> 00:49:52,078
Speaker 2: believe in if in fact, you're always being told what

1041
00:49:52,158 --> 00:49:54,758
Speaker 2: to do, so just being honest, I think that's part

1042
00:49:54,798 --> 00:49:57,438
Speaker 2: of it. So I would love if somebody says, I

1043
00:49:57,478 --> 00:50:00,558
Speaker 2: want to hire somebody to lead, good please do that

1044
00:50:00,598 --> 00:50:03,078
Speaker 2: and then permit him to lead. Permit that person to

1045
00:50:03,238 --> 00:50:05,558
Speaker 2: make you a lot decisions in regards to what he's

1046
00:50:05,558 --> 00:50:06,998
Speaker 2: going to say and how he's going to say it,

1047
00:50:07,038 --> 00:50:09,558
Speaker 2: and be even to the point where after games sometimes

1048
00:50:09,598 --> 00:50:11,478
Speaker 2: they'll come in and ask you or tell you what

1049
00:50:11,518 --> 00:50:14,918
Speaker 2: to not say or say in your postgame press conferences.

1050
00:50:15,358 --> 00:50:18,838
Speaker 2: It's all part of this. So that's that's the part

1051
00:50:18,878 --> 00:50:21,158
Speaker 2: of it I don't like as much. That's the part

1052
00:50:21,158 --> 00:50:22,918
Speaker 2: of it I've talked about in the past. We talked

1053
00:50:22,918 --> 00:50:25,358
Speaker 2: about it in the Book of Joe. When you hire

1054
00:50:25,398 --> 00:50:27,918
Speaker 2: somebody to lead, empower them, don't try to control them.

1055
00:50:27,958 --> 00:50:32,638
Speaker 1: Well said. And finally, rock Obelldelli, you know him, Well

1056
00:50:32,758 --> 00:50:35,118
Speaker 1: played for you on your staff. What are the greatest

1057
00:50:35,158 --> 00:50:36,878
Speaker 1: athletes that ever come out of Rhode Island?

1058
00:50:37,038 --> 00:50:37,358
Speaker 2: Amen?

1059
00:50:37,758 --> 00:50:39,958
Speaker 1: I think he's got a great baseball mind. It was

1060
00:50:39,998 --> 00:50:42,478
Speaker 1: a tough situation in Minnesota. A couple of things worked

1061
00:50:42,518 --> 00:50:44,358
Speaker 1: against him. I think he's been there seven years and

1062
00:50:44,398 --> 00:50:46,678
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen, Joe, whether it was Dusty Baker

1063
00:50:46,678 --> 00:50:49,598
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, Davey Johnson in New York, just like

1064
00:50:49,678 --> 00:50:54,038
Speaker 1: this this period there, like this seven year itch where

1065
00:50:54,078 --> 00:50:56,998
Speaker 1: if it doesn't happen and people start to be eager

1066
00:50:57,038 --> 00:50:59,398
Speaker 1: for change. And then the other thing was obviously they

1067
00:51:00,198 --> 00:51:03,038
Speaker 1: they had a philosophical tipping point this year in the

1068
00:51:03,078 --> 00:51:05,038
Speaker 1: middle of the season. The season wasn't going the way

1069
00:51:05,078 --> 00:51:07,958
Speaker 1: they wanted. The minute they traded Carlos Grea, they were out.

1070
00:51:08,358 --> 00:51:10,078
Speaker 1: And then they wound up backing up the truck and

1071
00:51:10,398 --> 00:51:13,838
Speaker 1: trading literally like almost half the team. Just a major,

1072
00:51:14,198 --> 00:51:17,798
Speaker 1: major changes there. So the manager got caught up in that.

1073
00:51:18,518 --> 00:51:21,318
Speaker 1: I know you think highly of Rocco. I think he'd

1074
00:51:21,358 --> 00:51:24,638
Speaker 1: be a great manager second time around, not that he

1075
00:51:24,718 --> 00:51:26,358
Speaker 1: wasn't on the first time. Took that team to the

1076
00:51:26,398 --> 00:51:28,678
Speaker 1: playoffs and won a series. But give you your take

1077
00:51:28,718 --> 00:51:30,398
Speaker 1: on Rocco agreed completely.

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00:51:30,438 --> 00:51:32,758
Speaker 2: First of all, out of all the guys I've ever managed,

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00:51:33,238 --> 00:51:37,318
Speaker 2: he's top five talent. I mean, just purely physical ability.

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00:51:37,438 --> 00:51:40,798
Speaker 2: I was amazed when I got to the Rays and

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00:51:40,918 --> 00:51:43,318
Speaker 2: was on the field with this fellow. Oh my god,

1082
00:51:43,958 --> 00:51:47,118
Speaker 2: if he had to be made well, he'd definitely Hall

1083
00:51:47,158 --> 00:51:50,678
Speaker 2: of Fame caliber baseball player, just in regards to athleticism,

1084
00:51:51,238 --> 00:51:55,278
Speaker 2: the way his mind worked, how Sharpie was, just everything

1085
00:51:55,318 --> 00:51:59,878
Speaker 2: about Rocco. He's extremely bright. Rocco is way up there

1086
00:52:00,198 --> 00:52:04,998
Speaker 2: regarding just a natural brightness about him. He's the guy

1087
00:52:05,038 --> 00:52:08,558
Speaker 2: that talked about this, that really pushed for Maddy Moore

1088
00:52:08,598 --> 00:52:11,358
Speaker 2: to start that first game in the playoffs versus the

1089
00:52:11,478 --> 00:52:14,678
Speaker 2: Rangers several years ago when nobody knew who Matt Moore

1090
00:52:14,878 --> 00:52:16,678
Speaker 2: was and he was loud. I mean, I really liked

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00:52:16,678 --> 00:52:19,678
Speaker 2: that because we had the meeting in office in Texas

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00:52:19,678 --> 00:52:22,478
Speaker 2: and Rocco spoke up loudly, and I loved that. I

1093
00:52:22,598 --> 00:52:25,798
Speaker 2: love when a young guy states what he thinks and

1094
00:52:26,278 --> 00:52:28,318
Speaker 2: is not coward by who also is sitting at the table.

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00:52:28,318 --> 00:52:30,878
Speaker 2: And he showed me that. I also agree when you

1096
00:52:30,958 --> 00:52:32,718
Speaker 2: were saying all that, I thought, this is like the

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00:52:32,718 --> 00:52:36,798
Speaker 2: perfect candidate for the next time around guy. So whoever's

1098
00:52:36,918 --> 00:52:40,558
Speaker 2: letting some like say San Francisco is an example, great, perfect,

1099
00:52:40,958 --> 00:52:43,478
Speaker 2: perfect guy for something like that. I think the sensibilities

1100
00:52:43,678 --> 00:52:46,878
Speaker 2: with him and Boach really would mesh very well. And

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00:52:46,958 --> 00:52:51,878
Speaker 2: Rocco's ability to communicate is outstanding. Rocco's really good in

1102
00:52:51,878 --> 00:52:55,158
Speaker 2: front of the microphone. He's well thought out, and I

1103
00:52:55,198 --> 00:52:58,918
Speaker 2: think in a very progressive town like San Francisco, he'd

1104
00:52:58,958 --> 00:53:00,878
Speaker 2: be an absolute perfect fit. So I hope he gets

1105
00:53:01,238 --> 00:53:03,598
Speaker 2: some kind of opportunity, but I cannot agree with you more.

1106
00:53:03,998 --> 00:53:06,638
Speaker 2: He is going to be even better the second time around.

1107
00:53:06,758 --> 00:53:09,518
Speaker 1: Can I give you another name? Yep, that fits just

1108
00:53:09,598 --> 00:53:12,238
Speaker 1: as perfectly as Rogo, and especially with the Giants second

1109
00:53:12,238 --> 00:53:13,838
Speaker 1: time around. David Ross.

1110
00:53:13,958 --> 00:53:17,118
Speaker 2: Yeah, my boy, David. You know David and I play

1111
00:53:17,198 --> 00:53:20,278
Speaker 2: some golf. Last winner down in Florida, did a lot

1112
00:53:20,278 --> 00:53:23,678
Speaker 2: of really good conversations. Dave would be an outstanding name. Also,

1113
00:53:23,718 --> 00:53:27,398
Speaker 2: I totally agree with that. These are two, you know,

1114
00:53:27,478 --> 00:53:30,678
Speaker 2: two my guys right here. Rockwell played. They both played

1115
00:53:30,718 --> 00:53:35,158
Speaker 2: for me, Both extremely bright, both really engaging, gregarious personalities,

1116
00:53:35,638 --> 00:53:38,718
Speaker 2: sharp baseball minds, not afraid to have a tough conversation.

1117
00:53:39,078 --> 00:53:39,918
Speaker 2: I could go on and on.

1118
00:53:40,198 --> 00:53:42,678
Speaker 1: I love them both, and one more I'll throw out there.

1119
00:53:42,838 --> 00:53:46,078
Speaker 1: We don't know about Ron Washington's health. Hopefully he's doing well.

1120
00:53:46,118 --> 00:53:49,678
Speaker 1: We want to see him back anywhere in baseball. But

1121
00:53:49,998 --> 00:53:53,238
Speaker 1: if he's not returning to the Angels, the name I've heard,

1122
00:53:53,278 --> 00:53:55,438
Speaker 1: and he was around the team last weekend. The season.

1123
00:53:56,198 --> 00:53:59,718
Speaker 1: Tory Hunter. Oh really okay, a favorite of Arty. Moreno.

1124
00:54:00,478 --> 00:54:03,878
Speaker 1: Would not surprise me if ARTI went down that road

1125
00:54:03,958 --> 00:54:04,598
Speaker 1: with Tory Hunter.

1126
00:54:04,678 --> 00:54:08,518
Speaker 2: Love Tori, great guy. Been around him briefly but always.

1127
00:54:08,518 --> 00:54:11,078
Speaker 2: He's very He's infectious man, He's very, very good. The

1128
00:54:11,118 --> 00:54:13,198
Speaker 2: other name I'd like to throw out there, I don't

1129
00:54:13,198 --> 00:54:14,998
Speaker 2: know that he'd ever do. It'd be Darren Erstadt. He's

1130
00:54:15,038 --> 00:54:17,798
Speaker 2: a guy who's trying to promote even years ago, when

1131
00:54:18,438 --> 00:54:21,758
Speaker 2: Andrew's looking for a manager with the Dodgers. I threw

1132
00:54:21,838 --> 00:54:23,758
Speaker 2: Ersty's name out there for that. I don't know that.

1133
00:54:24,078 --> 00:54:27,398
Speaker 2: Ersty's pretty ensconced they think in Nebraska with his family.

1134
00:54:27,478 --> 00:54:30,278
Speaker 2: The thing that you got to appreciate about Ersky's the

1135
00:54:30,318 --> 00:54:32,398
Speaker 2: fact he went to back to Nebraska to manage our

1136
00:54:32,438 --> 00:54:36,198
Speaker 2: coach baseball there several years ago too. One of the

1137
00:54:36,238 --> 00:54:39,158
Speaker 2: most diligent students of the game I've ever been around.

1138
00:54:39,478 --> 00:54:43,118
Speaker 2: Hard knows is not even nearly to tell you how

1139
00:54:43,118 --> 00:54:46,318
Speaker 2: tough he is. Just love the guy, Love everything about him.

1140
00:54:46,358 --> 00:54:49,158
Speaker 2: He'd be another wonderful candidate, although I don't know that

1141
00:54:49,198 --> 00:54:49,998
Speaker 2: he'd be interested.

1142
00:54:50,438 --> 00:54:53,118
Speaker 1: Well, here we are on the eve of postseason baseball. Joe,

1143
00:54:53,118 --> 00:54:55,678
Speaker 1: it's the best time of year, no doubt, we're due

1144
00:54:55,718 --> 00:54:58,718
Speaker 1: for surprises. We always get them in the postseason. With

1145
00:54:58,798 --> 00:55:02,358
Speaker 1: that being said, get us ready for October baseball. What

1146
00:55:02,438 --> 00:55:04,478
Speaker 1: do you have today to take us home on the

1147
00:55:04,518 --> 00:55:05,118
Speaker 1: Book of Joe.

1148
00:55:05,558 --> 00:55:08,198
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, two things. Basically. Number one, when you have

1149
00:55:08,238 --> 00:55:12,278
Speaker 2: your talk with the group before the first playoff game,

1150
00:55:12,398 --> 00:55:14,558
Speaker 2: the one thing I always wanted to emphasize to them

1151
00:55:14,758 --> 00:55:19,678
Speaker 2: is that no one thing, something bad is going to happen.

1152
00:55:19,758 --> 00:55:23,958
Speaker 2: Something's going to go sideways. Know that, Okay, So let's

1153
00:55:23,998 --> 00:55:26,718
Speaker 2: be mainally prepared for that in advance, because when things

1154
00:55:26,758 --> 00:55:29,278
Speaker 2: go sideways, that's when you have to really be able

1155
00:55:29,318 --> 00:55:32,078
Speaker 2: to dump it and move on to the next moment.

1156
00:55:32,198 --> 00:55:35,318
Speaker 2: That is really really important this time of the year.

1157
00:55:35,478 --> 00:55:37,358
Speaker 2: So that was a big part of my talk to

1158
00:55:37,398 --> 00:55:40,118
Speaker 2: the group before we entered into the playoff season. So

1159
00:55:40,678 --> 00:55:42,398
Speaker 2: I wanted them to know that because when you get

1160
00:55:42,398 --> 00:55:44,998
Speaker 2: that look and you watch these games and I watched

1161
00:55:46,118 --> 00:55:48,318
Speaker 2: all these different games that are coming down to Pike lately,

1162
00:55:49,198 --> 00:55:52,678
Speaker 2: you watch the faces of players on the negative side

1163
00:55:52,718 --> 00:55:55,398
Speaker 2: of things, they go blank. Man, they go blank. The

1164
00:55:55,398 --> 00:55:58,678
Speaker 2: whole group collectively loses fire. And once you do that,

1165
00:55:58,718 --> 00:56:02,158
Speaker 2: you're done. You're absolutely done. So know that bad things

1166
00:56:02,198 --> 00:56:04,158
Speaker 2: are going to happen where it's not always going to

1167
00:56:04,198 --> 00:56:06,198
Speaker 2: go away, but we got to file it and move on.

1168
00:56:06,358 --> 00:56:08,718
Speaker 2: So that's not the quote that I wanted to get,

1169
00:56:08,718 --> 00:56:10,718
Speaker 2: but I wanted to make that point. The thing that

1170
00:56:10,758 --> 00:56:13,478
Speaker 2: I wanted to get across is my This is my mantra,

1171
00:56:13,598 --> 00:56:15,198
Speaker 2: and this is the quote of the day comes from me.

1172
00:56:15,838 --> 00:56:17,998
Speaker 2: This was my mantra all during the season, and I

1173
00:56:17,998 --> 00:56:21,358
Speaker 2: think it absolutely applies during the playoffs at any time.

1174
00:56:21,398 --> 00:56:25,398
Speaker 2: But score first and score last. Score first. The team

1175
00:56:25,398 --> 00:56:28,878
Speaker 2: that normally during the season scores first always has an advantage.

1176
00:56:28,998 --> 00:56:30,878
Speaker 2: I always wanted to put the first run up, so

1177
00:56:31,278 --> 00:56:32,878
Speaker 2: I would yell in the doug that we'd come out

1178
00:56:32,878 --> 00:56:35,278
Speaker 2: for a first at bat. Score first. Score first. Of course,

1179
00:56:35,278 --> 00:56:38,558
Speaker 2: if you're under road sometimes I mean at home, sometimes

1180
00:56:38,598 --> 00:56:40,918
Speaker 2: the other team might beat you to that punch. But

1181
00:56:41,478 --> 00:56:44,558
Speaker 2: always the attempt is always to score first and then

1182
00:56:44,598 --> 00:56:47,598
Speaker 2: score last. Scoring last would be you have a lead,

1183
00:56:47,958 --> 00:56:50,158
Speaker 2: that's the jug run where you go for the jugular

1184
00:56:50,518 --> 00:56:52,318
Speaker 2: bottom of the eighth or top of the ninth. You

1185
00:56:52,318 --> 00:56:55,278
Speaker 2: already grab a lead. You want to score going into

1186
00:56:55,318 --> 00:56:58,238
Speaker 2: that last at bat to really drive a stake into

1187
00:56:58,238 --> 00:57:00,598
Speaker 2: the heart of the other side, go for the jugulars

1188
00:57:00,638 --> 00:57:03,398
Speaker 2: so that you take any kind of motivation away from

1189
00:57:03,438 --> 00:57:05,958
Speaker 2: them for their last a bat. So I would be

1190
00:57:06,038 --> 00:57:08,518
Speaker 2: yelling all the time, score first when we get to

1191
00:57:08,558 --> 00:57:11,198
Speaker 2: that last point, score lastness, how about a jug run

1192
00:57:11,278 --> 00:57:14,198
Speaker 2: right here. Those are the kind of little things to

1193
00:57:14,278 --> 00:57:17,718
Speaker 2: me that that's a fundamental for me. Every baseball team,

1194
00:57:18,438 --> 00:57:20,438
Speaker 2: any team in any sport, but any maybe not so

1195
00:57:20,518 --> 00:57:22,838
Speaker 2: much basketball. But you want to score first, and you

1196
00:57:22,878 --> 00:57:25,798
Speaker 2: want to score last with the lead, because that really

1197
00:57:26,278 --> 00:57:29,518
Speaker 2: that's the one that really prevents them, takes that little

1198
00:57:29,598 --> 00:57:31,358
Speaker 2: edge away from them in their last at bat. So

1199
00:57:31,878 --> 00:57:34,598
Speaker 2: those are the things I always found necessary and important

1200
00:57:34,598 --> 00:57:35,278
Speaker 2: this time of the year.

1201
00:57:35,598 --> 00:57:37,838
Speaker 1: Score first and score last. I love it. That's a

1202
00:57:37,878 --> 00:57:41,038
Speaker 1: winning strategy, no doubt. Great time of year, Joe. I

1203
00:57:41,078 --> 00:57:42,598
Speaker 1: think one of the best days in the count lendar

1204
00:57:42,758 --> 00:57:46,678
Speaker 1: for baseball is the Wednesday, Game two of the Wildcard series,

1205
00:57:46,678 --> 00:57:52,118
Speaker 1: because you get four elimination games in one day. Nervous

1206
00:57:52,158 --> 00:57:54,718
Speaker 1: time for managers, for fans. It is awesome.

1207
00:57:54,758 --> 00:57:58,198
Speaker 2: Whether it's so cool, you know, the one game Wildcard

1208
00:57:58,438 --> 00:58:00,238
Speaker 2: I've been in a couple of them, I think, right,

1209
00:58:00,318 --> 00:58:02,998
Speaker 2: I know for sure in Cleveland the one year we

1210
00:58:03,078 --> 00:58:06,398
Speaker 2: played Toronto on a Sunday, had to win that game

1211
00:58:06,438 --> 00:58:09,198
Speaker 2: to get to play Texas on Monday night in an

1212
00:58:09,238 --> 00:58:12,318
Speaker 2: actual playoff game they get into the playoffs, which we did.

1213
00:58:12,558 --> 00:58:15,398
Speaker 2: So you beat Toronto, beat Texas day off to play

1214
00:58:15,438 --> 00:58:17,558
Speaker 2: Cleveland in a wildcard game. So we had three in

1215
00:58:17,598 --> 00:58:20,718
Speaker 2: a row. We had three wildcard games in a row, basically,

1216
00:58:21,038 --> 00:58:23,358
Speaker 2: and that's the year that we were I referenced it earlier.

1217
00:58:23,358 --> 00:58:24,798
Speaker 2: We went and played I think the Red Sox in

1218
00:58:24,838 --> 00:58:27,438
Speaker 2: the playoffs and pretty much we're spent from that Sunday

1219
00:58:27,438 --> 00:58:31,798
Speaker 2: Monday Wednesday scenario. So anyhow, it is. It's the best

1220
00:58:31,798 --> 00:58:35,318
Speaker 2: time of the year, man. And the best advice I

1221
00:58:35,358 --> 00:58:38,198
Speaker 2: can give is, don't try to get too smart right now.

1222
00:58:38,438 --> 00:58:40,638
Speaker 2: Don't try to add too much right now. Play your

1223
00:58:40,678 --> 00:58:43,718
Speaker 2: game right now. The better team's gonna win. The team

1224
00:58:43,758 --> 00:58:46,358
Speaker 2: that's rested and it could breathe in the moment, that

1225
00:58:46,558 --> 00:58:49,958
Speaker 2: really is self confident, knows and believes in one another,

1226
00:58:49,998 --> 00:58:51,118
Speaker 2: that's the team that's gonna win.

1227
00:58:51,398 --> 00:58:53,798
Speaker 1: Great stuff, Joe, We'll see you next time on the

1228
00:58:53,798 --> 00:58:54,438
Speaker 1: Book of Joe.

1229
00:58:54,718 --> 00:58:55,278
Speaker 2: Enjoyed the Week.

1230
00:58:55,318 --> 00:59:07,118
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