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Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show.

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Speaker 2: President Trump has tapped Robert F. Kennedy Junior to lead

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Speaker 2: the Department of Health and Human Services. As you know,

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Speaker 2: RFK tweeted about it after being nominated. He wrote, quote,

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Speaker 2: thank you Donald Trump for your leadership and courage. I'm

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Speaker 2: committed to advancing your vision to make America healthy again.

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Speaker 2: We have a generational opportunity to bring together the greatest

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Speaker 2: minds in science, medicine, industry, and government to put an

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Speaker 2: end to the chronic disease epidemic. I look forward to

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Speaker 2: working with the more than eighty thousand employees at HHS

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Speaker 2: to free the agencies from the smothering cloud of corporate

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Speaker 2: capture so they can pursue their mission to make Americans

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Speaker 2: once again the healthiest people on earth. Together, we will

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Speaker 2: clean up corruption, stop the revolving door between industry and government,

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Speaker 2: and return our health agencies to their rich tradition of

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Speaker 2: gold standard, evidence based science. I will provide Americans with

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Speaker 2: transparency and access to all the data so they can

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Speaker 2: make informed choices for themselves and their families. My commitment

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Speaker 2: to the American people is to be an honest public servant.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: John Stossel, Sat down with RFK Jr. After he dropped

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Speaker 2: out of the race. And remember RFK was running for president,

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Speaker 2: and it bears repeating or reminding. When RFK Jr. Decided

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Speaker 2: to run for president, the Democrats spent millions of dollars

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Speaker 2: preventing him from getting on the ballot, requiring he jumped

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Speaker 2: through all these different hoops to get on the ballot

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Speaker 2: because they didn't want him on the ballot because they

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Speaker 2: were afraid he would beat Joe Biden. So they didn't

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Speaker 2: want him on the ballot and they spent millions to

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Speaker 2: make sure that happened. Then when he managed to get

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Speaker 2: on the ballot by getting all the signatures necessary, which

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Speaker 2: is a huge effort. Once he did all that, then

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Speaker 2: he wanted to be withdrawn from the ballot because he

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Speaker 2: had withdrawn from the race, and they said no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: you have to stay on there because they hoped he

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Speaker 2: would draw votes away from Donald Trump. That there is

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Speaker 2: your greatest example of how these people mean none of

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Speaker 2: what they say. They'll say anything, but they don't mean it.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, as you know, RFK Junior took a call

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Speaker 2: from President Trump when Trump was shot in Butler that afternoon.

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Speaker 2: President Trump called him. They were building, they were forging

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Speaker 2: a friendship, and eventually he would drop out of the

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Speaker 2: race and endorse Donald Trump for president. Here is our

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Speaker 2: FK's conversation with John Stossel. I think this will give you.

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Speaker 2: We chose this as our Saturday podcast because I think

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Speaker 2: this will give you a good insight into Robert F.

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Speaker 2: Kennedy's mind. Now, in case you don't know, because some

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Speaker 2: people continue to ask me, he has a condition that

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Speaker 2: has paralyzed part of his vocal courts. So that's why

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Speaker 2: he speaks in that manner. In case you're wondering, why

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Speaker 2: didn't he just clear his throat or whatever else. He

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Speaker 2: has a condition where he has a paralyzed vocal court

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Speaker 2: and so it takes a minute to get used to

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Speaker 2: hearing him talking. But focus because it is actually pretty

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Speaker 2: good stuff.

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Speaker 3: If you want things to completely change, you're gonna support me.

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Speaker 1: Robert F. Kennedy Junior just dropped out of the presidential race.

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Speaker 1: He'd done pretty well for an independent candidate. At one point,

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Speaker 1: poll's had his support in double digits.

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Speaker 3: You should vote for me.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy knew what to say to appeal to libertarians.

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Speaker 3: Real patriotism means protecting the United States Constitution.

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Speaker 1: I liked hearing that, but would he have really done that?

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Speaker 1: Who is rfk Jr. Well, here's our full interview Kate

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Speaker 1: before President Biden dropped out, plus at the end, my

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Speaker 1: own fact checking on three important points. Why should you

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Speaker 1: be president? Who are you? Why are you superior to

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Speaker 1: the other two guys?

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Speaker 3: Well, the other two they're approach to politics.

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Speaker 1: I should care about that. Why should you be president?

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Speaker 3: But they're operating with a very narrow Overton window. If

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Speaker 3: you look at what they argue about, what they're disputing about,

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Speaker 3: it's it's called mainly cultural issues. It's Guttens, it's the border,

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Speaker 3: it's a portion trans rights. In these issues, the really

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Speaker 3: existential issues neither of them can talk about. And that's

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Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. The national death is thirty four

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Speaker 3: trillion dollars that President Trump and President Bind irresponsible for largely.

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Speaker 3: President Trump said that he was going to balance the

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Speaker 3: budget and instead he spent more money than every president

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Speaker 3: in you United States history eight trillion dollars. President TRUMPID

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Speaker 3: is on track out to beat him. They have addiction

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Speaker 3: to war that we have in our country. Resident, particularly

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Speaker 3: the Ukraine War, which was war of choice, and war war.

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Speaker 3: It was unnecessary war, and both of them were involved

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Speaker 3: in creating that war. So that's in our country, this

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Speaker 3: toxic polarization that is tearing our country apart. That's worse

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Speaker 3: than any time since the Civil War.

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Speaker 1: We'll win.

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Speaker 3: All of these commans are feeding on it.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk for a while, So first tell

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Speaker 1: the audience why you sound horse.

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Speaker 3: I have a disease called spasmodic dystonia, and I got

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Speaker 3: it when I had a very very strong voice until

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Speaker 3: I was forty to six years old and I got this.

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Speaker 3: It's actually a neurological injury, and it causes my voice

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Speaker 3: to do sound kind of strangled. I actually am. It

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Speaker 3: was much worse than this for a long period of time.

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Speaker 3: I had surgery on it in Japan about a year

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Speaker 3: ago and that helped me a lot. And then I'm

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Speaker 3: doing some treatments and out that are helping me. But

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Speaker 3: you know, my voice stinks. I can't listen to myself.

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Speaker 3: I feel sorry for people who have to listen to me.

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Speaker 3: It's ironic impediment because so much of my life and

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Speaker 3: profession is based upon my you know, me talking my

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Speaker 3: in court rooms, on television, on radio, it's ironic.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's make it worthwhile for people to listen to you.

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Speaker 1: He raised two big issues, the debt and war. Start

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Speaker 1: with war, what would you do about Ukraine?

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Speaker 3: I would end the Ukraine. I would negotiate a peace.

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Speaker 3: President Putin has repeatedly tried to negotiate a peace. There's

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Speaker 3: one issue that worries him, and it's an issue that

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Speaker 3: he should be worried about, which is US moving NATO

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Speaker 3: into Ukrain. Russia has been invaded three times through Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: The last time when he Hitler invaded it, he killed

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Speaker 3: one out of every seven Russians. We made a commitment

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Speaker 3: to Gorbachev to the Soviet Union back in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 3: two that if we were allowed to reunite Germany East

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Speaker 3: and West Germany under a NATO army, and if Soviets

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Speaker 3: moved out four hundred and fifty thousand troops and we

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Speaker 3: moved ours in, which was an extraordinary concession for them.

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Speaker 3: The one condition he asked for is that if he

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Speaker 3: allowed us to do that, we would not move NATO

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Speaker 3: to the east. And James Baker, who was then Secretary

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Speaker 3: not move NATO one inch to the east. And then

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Speaker 3: you know, the Niacon's got a hold of the White House,

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Speaker 3: earning with the big new Brazinski, and they started moving

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Speaker 3: to the east. Because every time they move into a

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Speaker 3: new nation, that nation has to conform its weapons purchases

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Speaker 3: lockeye make billions of dollars. And so there's a huge

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Speaker 1: You know, there is a war machine, but what would

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Speaker 1: a war machine?

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Speaker 3: As president, I would negotiate a piece and you know you.

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Speaker 1: Would say, well, Russia, you could keep the territory you've conquered.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to say exactly what my uh

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Speaker 3: my endpoint would be on negotiations. I negotiate for a

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Speaker 3: living and negotiating and it's hundreds of lossits and that's

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Speaker 3: not how you do it. But Putin made a tremendous

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Speaker 3: concessions in April of twenty twenty two, and he agreed

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Speaker 3: why he had just moved in and he and Zelensky

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Speaker 3: wanted to sign a negotiat a peace agreement. We wouldn't

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Speaker 3: help them. The United States would not help them. So

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Speaker 3: he went to Israel and got Prime Minister enough to

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Speaker 3: Holly Bennett to help and Ernicon in Turkey. They negotiated

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Speaker 3: a treaty in Istanbul, and that treaty, the primary thing

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Speaker 3: that Putin wanted was to keep an agreement to permanently

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Speaker 3: keep Ukraine neutral, to keep NATO out, and everybody agreed

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Speaker 3: on it. Putin began withdrawing his troops, left the Boss

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Speaker 3: got Boris Johnson to go to Kiev and forced Zolanski

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Speaker 3: to tear up that agreement. And since then, six hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand kids have died unnecessarily. My own son fought in

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Speaker 3: Ukraine for the Foreign Legion. He fought in the Kharkiv offensive.

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Speaker 3: All those Ukrainians died. They've lost the war. We were

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Speaker 3: told they were going to win the war. Most of

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Speaker 3: us knew who understood what was happening. There was no

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Speaker 3: way that we could ever win that war, and that

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Speaker 3: it was a catastrophe. But the White House, you know,

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Speaker 1: But you're giving me history again. I'm just not clear

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Speaker 1: on what you would do Paul stopped giving any money

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Speaker 1: to Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Putin ass almost every time he's in public, negotiate you

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Speaker 3: at least negotiate. My uncle realized in nineteen sixty two

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Speaker 3: nothing about Khrushchev, and that they were telling him things

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Speaker 3: about Kruschev that they know, and that he needed to

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Speaker 3: be again talking to Hrushchev directly. He began corresponding with

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Speaker 3: him secretly and exchange twenty six different letters, and then

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Speaker 3: he installed the hotline so that he could talk to

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Speaker 3: him directly. And I grew up with that hotlining in

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Speaker 3: Wutin has repeatedly said, I want peace, I want to negotiate,

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Speaker 3: and nobody is there negotiat. In fact, as a Lensky

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Speaker 3: negotiate with Putin. I mean imagine that it's nobody wants

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Speaker 1: What about Gaza? What about Israel? Hamas? What would you do?

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Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking what's happening. I consider myself very pro Palestinian.

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Speaker 1: Israel is What does it mean to be very pro Palestinian?

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Speaker 3: It means that, you know, I believe that Palestinians should

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Speaker 3: have a UH, should have control and sovereignty over their

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Speaker 3: own destiny. And I also don't blame Israel for what's

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Speaker 3: is A is a proxy for Iran. It is a

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Speaker 3: genocidal organization by its own statements. Its only objective is

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Speaker 3: to annihilate Israel and to exterminate the Jews. And it's

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Speaker 3: a kleptocracy. It steals from the Palestinian people. Oh, Israel

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Speaker 3: now is in an existential fight. It's on a it's

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Speaker 3: fighting a five front work against Shia militias that are

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Speaker 3: funded by Iran and in Iraq and Syria, against the

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Speaker 3: Hoodies in the name, and against Isabella and Lebanon, and

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Speaker 3: against Hamas in Gaza. So I don't and Islamic Shahad

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Speaker 3: it's right to micromanage Israel's battle against Hamas. I think

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Speaker 3: that Israel has to close out that front because it's

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Speaker 1: I mean, I should keep giving arms and money to Israel.

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Speaker 3: Yes, of course we should. But if we if we

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Speaker 3: don't do that, we should be contemplating that there may

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Speaker 3: need be no Israel within five years. Israel is UH

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Speaker 3: is facing indomitable strength now with Iran and the and

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Speaker 3: you know, groups like Hezbola is not This isn't the

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Speaker 3: The biggest, well, the biggest. The biggest cost is treating

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Speaker 1: Chronic disease is like logical.

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Speaker 1: Because Americans got fat.

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Speaker 1: Anybody who might understanding it's because Americans are overweight. We

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to end the chronic disease epidemic. I'm

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Speaker 1: They offend them all the time. They reject ninety percent

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Speaker 3: going to add anything to the debt. If you read

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Speaker 3: how we're going to finance that.

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Speaker 1: But that's a giveaway.

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Speaker 3: It's a long guarantee and its and it's funded by

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Speaker 3: the issuance of three percent of by three percent Treasury

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Speaker 3: bonds that are tax free.

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Speaker 1: But that's a giveaway.

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Speaker 3: Listen, we have to well that's not a giveaway. But

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Speaker 3: what we need to do. Everything I spent, every nickel

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Speaker 3: I spent, every dollar that I spend at present is

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Speaker 3: going to go toward building our economy. And if we

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Speaker 3: don't do that, we're going to be destroyed by the debt.

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Speaker 3: Because when the debt is this large, you cannot cut

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Speaker 3: your way out of it. You have to cut dramatically.

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to do that for er Well, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to cut them militaria and a half. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to cut the chronic disease epidemic, and then I'm going

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Speaker 3: to do massive cuts of waste. And I'm going to

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Speaker 3: use AI and blockchain to identify that ways. All right now,

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Speaker 3: the Pentagon audience, I'll give you an example of the

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Speaker 3: Pentagon audit.

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Speaker 1: The Pentagon, we've already got three hundreds.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to give you it's just an example

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Speaker 3: of the ways of the federal government. The Pentagon audit

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Speaker 3: just came out. The Pentagon lost four trillion dollars. So

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Speaker 3: they failed their audit. They can't they don't know what

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Speaker 3: happened to it.

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Speaker 1: They fail every year.

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Speaker 3: They don't know what happened to it. For twenty years

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Speaker 3: they fail. The big failure is they don't know what happens.

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Speaker 3: They're inventory, and we can get ai iwalkers to go

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Speaker 3: through the stockpiles identify all of that ways. Every year,

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Speaker 3: the GAO publishes and the Congressional Budget Office jointly published

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Speaker 3: a list of the most wasteful programs in government. Those

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Speaker 3: documents are this stick and they go and sit on

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Speaker 3: a shelf in the Library of Congress. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: go through those documents and I'm going to pick the

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Speaker 3: most ways for programs, and I got to put them

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Speaker 3: all in one bill, and I'm going to send them

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Speaker 3: to Congress with an up and down vote, the same

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Speaker 3: way we did with the Bates closure commissions. Oh, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to identify using AI, which has never been done before.

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Speaker 3: AI is very dangerous for us, but it has a

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Speaker 3: big opportunity. It can make government more accountable, more transparent.

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Speaker 3: And that's how I'm going to use it. And We're

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Speaker 3: going to identify the ways, and I'm going to eliminate it.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to I'm going to eliminate almost all the

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Speaker 3: functions of the Department of Education.

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Speaker 1: Why not kill the whole department? Who who needs a

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Speaker 1: federal department.

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Speaker 3: I would keep the research function of that because we

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Speaker 3: want to know how kids are doing. We want to

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Speaker 3: be able to identify the place where kids are failing.

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Speaker 3: We want to be able to know how our kids

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Speaker 3: are doing compared to kids in other countries, to find

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Speaker 3: out what's working in other countries as well. So I

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Speaker 3: think the research department, the data analysis and collection departments

491
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Speaker 3: need to are important for us. But as I said,

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Speaker 3: any expenditure I May. He is going to come from cuts,

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Speaker 3: and it also is going to be designed to increase

494
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Speaker 3: GDP because that's the only way out of this debt

495
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Speaker 3: disaster that is facing us.

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Speaker 1: I thought, what increases GDP is when government gets out

497
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Speaker 1: of the way and lets greedy entrepreneurs invent things.

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Speaker 3: We can't cut our way completely out of the debt.

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Speaker 3: If you spend a million dollars on military arms, which

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Speaker 3: we're now spending you know, eight eight almost actually now

501
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Speaker 3: nine point four billion, If you spent you create two

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Speaker 3: jobs on weapons. If you spend a million dollars on childcare,

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Speaker 3: you create twenty two jobs. And that increased GDP. And

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Speaker 3: it so anything that I do, I'm going to have that.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to ask the Congressional Budget Office in advance,

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Speaker 3: is going to produce more revenue, more GDP than we're spending.

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Speaker 3: And if it's not, I'm not going to do it.

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Speaker 1: What hurry? We're spending a lot is trying to fight

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Speaker 1: climate change.

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Speaker 3: My approach on climate has always been about free markets.

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Speaker 3: And you know what I would do, and what I've

512
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Speaker 3: advocated for many many years, is to get rid of

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Speaker 3: the subsidies. So you cut me, there's five point two

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Speaker 3: trillion dollars in subsidies that are given annually to the

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Speaker 3: to the carbon industry.

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Speaker 1: Trilliance to the carbon industry. I went to the oil

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Speaker 1: depletion allowance, but I'm not aware of subsidies.

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Speaker 3: The oil to poletion allows is a very very small

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Speaker 3: part of it. There's also the highway subsidies that you

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Speaker 3: know in plays like West Virginia and Kentucky you need

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Speaker 3: eighteen inches of asholet on the highway of twelve inches

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Speaker 3: to ten inches. They cause millions of dollars per lane,

523
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Speaker 3: per mile. And the coal because the coal truck's play

524
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Speaker 3: weight ninety thousand pounds. That's a subsidy. And there are

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Speaker 3: many many other subsidies. I mean, for example, on ozone

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Speaker 3: in particular, it's from coal burning power plants cause about

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Speaker 3: half a trillion dollars in respiratory illness year.

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Speaker 1: That's a subsidy. That's an indirect substte Cole burning power

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Speaker 1: plants are a problem, but they're no, they're not disappearing.

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Speaker 1: They'll probably never be a new one built in this country.

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Speaker 1: But they're being built elsewhere in the world in those

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Speaker 1: countries because we don't have market based approach. Those coal

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Speaker 1: plants are valuable because they're fully amortized and so they

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Speaker 1: can burn coal all day without paying interest on them.

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Speaker 1: And if you look just at the plant, the capital

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Speaker 1: investment of the plant, your utility is not going to

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Speaker 1: to replace it. So right now, to build a new

538
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Speaker 1: coal brain power plans about three point six billion dollars

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Speaker 1: a gig a lot. To build a solar plant is

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Speaker 1: about one billion a gig a lot to build a

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Speaker 1: coal not being taxed to build them, Oh, you're not

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Speaker 1: going to be I am being taxed to give you

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Speaker 1: and other politically connected people subsidies.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh, you're being taxed for a coal plant too,

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Speaker 3: and you're being taxed for oil. You're there, there's a

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Speaker 3: all the deductions.

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Speaker 1: So we should stop all these subsidies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I can say I would say this

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Speaker 3: if you want to be philosophical about this, I would say,

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Speaker 3: there's no justification ever for subsidies to a mature industry.

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Speaker 3: And the oil industry is the second richest industry in

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Speaker 3: the world. Why are we giving them any subsidies. You

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Speaker 3: might want to give substies to nason industries for national

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Speaker 3: security reasons. For example, in George Washington, became president and

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Speaker 3: he could not find his suit. He wanted to find

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Speaker 3: his suit that was manufacturing in the United States, there

557
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Speaker 3: was no such thing. He had to bring in an

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Speaker 3: Italian tailor and British cloth and they began subsidizing at

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Speaker 3: that point the seating of fabric factories mainly and mills

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Speaker 3: in mainly in New England, and it created a massive

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Speaker 3: industry in our country after a few years of help

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Speaker 3: from the government. Oh, I think there is an excuse

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Speaker 3: for seeding industries with subsidies or strategic regions for national

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Speaker 3: security reasons. But no mature industry should never get subsidies.

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Speaker 3: I'm against somebody. We also need to build.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have a solar plant that got a

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Speaker 1: government guaranteed law, big one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I built a lot of solar pet plants and

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Speaker 3: I built and you know, I've been involved in the

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Speaker 3: wind industry. We were mighty.

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Speaker 1: Why should you get over it?

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Speaker 3: Is well, like I said, for that same reason, if

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Speaker 3: you're going for national security reasons, if you're going to reduce,

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Speaker 3: if you're creating a new industry, you're competing with the Chinese.

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Speaker 3: Chinese are fully subsidizing it. You want the United States

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Speaker 3: own pieces of that industry, which is going global. There's

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Speaker 3: a reason to do that so that we're not completely

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Speaker 3: dependent on Chinese technology. There's national security reasons to reduce

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Speaker 3: our dependence on foreign energy sources like Saudi Arabia, which

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Speaker 3: get us in wars, which are a subsidy. We spend

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Speaker 3: eight billion dollars on oil wars that should be in

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Speaker 3: a true free market economy, those costs would be reflected

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Speaker 3: in the price of gasoline at the pump, but they're not.

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Speaker 3: They're getting it for free. It's not free though, we're

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Speaker 3: paying from it, but a different pocket. We're paying for

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Speaker 3: for our taxes, and you know our kids are paying

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Speaker 3: and inflation it is. It's another subsidy.

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Speaker 1: You and I clearly have different opinions about what we

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Speaker 1: should do and climate change. And because once you made

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Speaker 1: a speech saying.

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Speaker 4: Next time you see John Stossel or Glenn Beck, these

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Speaker 4: flat earthers, these corporate toties lying to you, companies like

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Speaker 4: Axon that consistently put their private financial interest ahead of

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Speaker 4: American interest, this is treason and that we need to

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Speaker 4: start treating them now as traders.

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't really think you want to have me

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Speaker 1: executed for treason, but maybe you do. But my argument

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Speaker 1: was that it's not a crisis that we need to

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Speaker 1: throw money at you for the Dutch built dykes years

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Speaker 1: ago to keep the water out. We can adjust the

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Speaker 1: climate change. It's a problem, but most of the stuff

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Speaker 1: we're doing now, including subsidizing you, isn't going to make

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Speaker 1: any difference while China is building those culprit.

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Speaker 3: I'm not in that business anymore. And you know, I

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Speaker 3: think that statement that I made, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: many years ago, but it's not a statement that I

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Speaker 3: would make today.

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Speaker 1: Good. Well, I think you wouldn't be talking if it were, well.

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Speaker 3: I would be talking anyway, because I'll talk to anybody.

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Speaker 3: But it's not. It wasn't it was. I would say

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Speaker 3: it was an imprudent statement at that time. I definitely

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Speaker 3: wouldn't make it today, particularly after COVID, when we saw

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Speaker 3: the use of a crisis by elites around the globe

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Speaker 3: to clamp down totalitarian controls, to obliterate our constitutional rights

615
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Speaker 3: in so many different ways, and to shift wealth upward

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Speaker 3: in our country. We closed three point three million businesses

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Speaker 3: with no due process, no just compensation. We closed, you know,

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Speaker 3: we we banjure, we injury trials against any corporation was

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Speaker 3: providing countermeasures. We got rid of a freedom of assembly.

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Speaker 3: Was a socialist siting regulations, so we got freedom of

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Speaker 3: freedom of speech. The government was censoring critics. They began

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Speaker 3: censoring critics of COVID. They ended up by censoring critics

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Speaker 3: of the Ukraine War and other government policies we got

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Speaker 3: rid of. You know, we close all the churches for

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Speaker 3: a year with no sign of excitation, no due process,

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Speaker 3: no just compensation, no environmental impact statements, none of the

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Speaker 3: no notice come awful.

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Speaker 1: We totally agree, and yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: And so I understand. I think climate is existential. I

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Speaker 3: think it's human cause climate change, but I don't insist

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Speaker 3: other people believe that. And I don't think that people

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Speaker 3: who say who disagree me on with that are unpatriotic

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Speaker 3: or traitors. So I apologize to you for saying that

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Speaker 3: about you years ago.

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Speaker 1: But what difference will it make if we spend billions

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Speaker 1: on solar plants, if China builds coal plants.

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Speaker 3: And my well, first of all, you know that I

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Speaker 3: don't really want to get in that argument, really driving

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Speaker 3: I mean, you want to go on, I can make

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Speaker 3: that argument and you and I can talk about that

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Speaker 3: all day. But other than those nuclear power going for

642
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Speaker 3: free markets, I think we should create national grid which

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Speaker 3: allows all kinds of and then the lowest cost providers

644
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: should prevail in the marketplace. And I believe those will

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Speaker 3: be the most efficient, which means the least polluting providers.

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Speaker 3: But we should end all the substats, including the environmental subsidies,

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Speaker 3: and let the market dictate. In a true free market

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Speaker 3: economy would promote efficiency. Efficiency means the eliminational ways and

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Speaker 3: pollution is ways. A true free market would require us

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Speaker 3: to properly value our natural resources, and it's the undervaluation

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Speaker 3: of those resources that cause us to use them wastefully.

652
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Speaker 3: And a true free market, you make yourself rich without

653
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: making your neighbors rich, without enriching your community. Everybody winners

654
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 3: do is they make themselves rich by making everybody else poor.

655
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: They raised and is living for themselves by lowering quality

656
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: of life for everybody else. And they do that by

657
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: escaping the discipline of the free market. You show me

658
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: a polluter, I'll show you a subsidy. I'll show you

659
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: a fat cat using political clout to escape the discipline

660
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: of the free market and force the public to pay

661
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: his production costs. And that's you know, I think that's

662
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 3: My approach to environmental regulation is markets good.

663
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: And America has reduced our carbon output more than other countries,

664
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Speaker 1: but it did it by fracking for natural gas, which

665
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: you want banned. You don't want nuclear power either. I

666
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: don't see how this jibe's.

667
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 3: With all those statements are wrong. What I've said about

668
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: nuclear power is that I would welcome nuclear power if

669
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: it can be made safe and if it can be

670
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 3: made uh a commercially viable of vision. Right now, hay

671
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: to build. The last nuclear power plant built is the

672
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: Morning Georgia, which is up around. It's got a tenure

673
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 3: over run at thirty four trillion dollars or thirty four

674
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: billion dollars. It's running thirty four billion dollars a gigawat.

675
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: I believe because of all the government regulation they could well.

676
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: I mean, but you've got if you're saying if we

677
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: if you're saying we should regulate nuclear power, I would

678
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: depart from you on that because you know, in the industry,

679
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 3: first of all, people say it's safe. If it's safe,

680
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 3: they should get an insurance policy. They can't. There's no

681
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: insurance company that will write them a policy. So they

682
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: went to Congress in a sleezy legislative maneuver in the

683
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: middle of the night, and they passed the Price Anderson Act.

684
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 3: That that that frees them from liability our caps and

685
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: a minimal trivial amount their liability for accidents. So that's

686
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: not free markets. That is corporate crony capitalism. And I

687
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 3: don't believe in it right now. And and and what

688
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: do we do with the waste they're storing at the

689
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 3: waste there's still no way, there's there's still no program

690
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: for that. That is all put on the back of

691
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: the taxpayer. We are stuck with the belt for storing

692
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 3: this stuff for thirty thousand years, which is five times

693
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: the length of recording human history. And that that I

694
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: believe that. And actors in the marketplace should pay all

695
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: costs of getting their product to market, including the costs

696
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: of cleaning up their mess, which was a lesson we

697
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: were all supposed to have learned in kindergarten. And the

698
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: the industry cannot There's no utility on earth that will

699
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: build a nuclear power plant unless it's fully subsized by

700
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: the government, and the waste disposal is fully subsidized by

701
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 3: the government, and the insurance is fully subsidized. Oh, it's

702
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: all subsidies. If they can pay their own way, if

703
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 3: they can buy an insurance.

704
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: Where are we going to get power? You wanted fracking?

705
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 3: No, I didn't say. I didn't say that I want

706
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: a fracking pan. But I said is that fracking should

707
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: pay its costs, and right now it's not doing that

708
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: in most parts of this country, and there are so

709
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: many costs attended for right Listen. I was in Pennsylvania

710
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: a couple of days ago watching fire come out of

711
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: a fallacet from from fracking, and every home in that

712
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: neighborhood has When they can literally light up a cigarette

713
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: lighter under their faucet, turned their fact on, it will

714
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: flame like a lighter. That's from fracking. Now those people's

715
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: houses are now worthless.

716
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: That was made famous in a movie.

717
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but I was there two weeks ago and

718
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: it's still there and they've never been paid compensation. That

719
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: water trucks there's about for every well every time they frack,

720
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: it's about four thousand trips in the trucks. Those trucks

721
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: weigh from forty to ninety thousand pounds. They destroy the

722
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 3: rural roads in places like Pennsylvania. Who pays for that?

723
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: Who should pay for that? Shouldn't it be the fracking company? Yeah,

724
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: that's what I would say. But they're imposing the costs.

725
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: They should pay for it, but they don't have to.

726
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: So you want them to be able to operate, did

727
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: not prope.

728
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: If they if they can, if they're paying all of

729
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 3: their costs and they're not externalizing their costs, then they

730
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 3: should be allowed to operate. And what I've said, the

731
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: one regulation that the fracking industry has mad at me

732
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: about is that I don't think we should we should

733
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: allow LNG facilities or exporting frack gas. The frack gas

734
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: should be used in this country. It should be used

735
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 3: to rebuild our industry in this country. Otherwise we're shouldering

736
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 3: all the cause and then we're paying for it to

737
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: be shipped abroad. But the money so the year can

738
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 3: help compete us. These aren't you know, these aren't companies

739
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: that are owned as early by Americans, and they're not

740
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: benefiting us, and they they're they're imposing huge cause on us,

741
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: and we should get the benefit of those CAUs by

742
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: having cheap gas in this country for the time being

743
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: the gas is going to run out very quickly in

744
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 3: this country. The wells are depleting much faster than anybody predicted.

745
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 3: If we run out of frat gas, we're going to

746
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: be reliant on two countries Iran Cutter and Russia the

747
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: next fifty years. And that's not a good thing for America.

748
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: Right now, we have a tremendous advantage if we want

749
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: to rebuild our industrial base in this country, our manufacturing base.

750
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 3: We have the cheapest energy in the world here and

751
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 3: we should keep it in this You know, for many years,

752
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: it was until two or three years ago, it was

753
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: illegal to export crude oil for the same reason, because

754
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: we should be using that here to build our industrial

755
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 3: base and give us an advantage around the world.

756
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: But when we ship ELLNG that's liquid natural gas overseas,

757
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: they give us money.

758
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 3: Well, they don't give us money. They give them money

759
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 3: to the company which directors, which is Canadian owned or

760
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: you know, it's not coming back here, John, and it's

761
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: not coming to the people on whom the burden of

762
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: fracking falls. And any community where fracking is done, it

763
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: extracts an enormous burden. It changes those communities forever. It

764
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 3: poises the water, it destroys the roads, it changes the culture,

765
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: and it's and and you know, you have to pay.

766
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: You have to pay for the pipes. And they are

767
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: they and those pipes are cutting through people's homes, through

768
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: their fields, through their backyards, and you know, and that

769
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: is imposing a cost in this country. What I'm saying

770
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: is that if Americans are going to put up with us, cause,

771
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 3: we should get the advantage of it. And it's not

772
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: just the shareholders of a company that could be owned

773
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 3: by the chiny Hay.

774
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: To pay for the pollution. Gas should cost twelve dollars a.

775
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 3: Gallon pollution costs, and that was reflected in the price

776
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: of oil, then we'd be paying twelve dollars at the

777
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: pump and we'd be sending the correct signals to the

778
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: marketplace if it had If that's the cause of pollution,

779
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 3: and then people will choose the cheaper form of energy,

780
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: which is the most That's how free market capitalism works. John.

781
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: But when a company proposed a wind farm near your home,

782
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: you and your family opposed, it seems hypocritical.

783
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: I oppose offshore wind anywhere except you know, places where

784
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: it's not going to do any damage. But you know,

785
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: right now we're exterminating the right wheel in the North

786
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: Atlantic through these wind farms. You're seeing these whale kills,

787
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: often kills. It's very very destructive of wildlife. It's it

788
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 3: is destructive of these traditional fisheries. And that's I was

789
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 3: representing the commercial fishermen on the Cape and they said

790
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 3: their livelihoods and their culture, which we've got three hundred

791
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: and fifty years of commercial fishermen on Cape God. And

792
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: they well, they said if they built Cape wind, they

793
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: would be out of business. So and I'm happy to

794
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: talk about all the reasons for that. But when offshore

795
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: we got and also it's heavily subsidized, so it was

796
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: costing the cause of kill what for kill? What hour

797
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 3: of offshore wind was about thirty two cents if you buy.

798
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: My brother was building wind plants at that time and

799
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: he was charging ten cents of KILLO what hour? Oh,

800
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: and why would we build it offshore when you can

801
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 3: when we got the best wind on earth in our

802
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: country and and you can build on shore wind for

803
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: ten cents of kill a white hour and your and

804
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: why would we why in the world except a boondoggle

805
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: to the big companies like General Lectures of Semens Vests

806
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: and own Congress. So they're getting these subsidized construction of

807
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 3: wind farms offshore that are destroying whale populations, showing dolphin populations,

808
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 3: and are raising the cause of our energy.

809
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: It makes no sense, all right. I would love to

810
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: talk about that more, but we're low in time, and

811
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 1: I want to get to vaccines. If your kids were young, now,

812
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: would you give them the measles the mumps vaccine.

813
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: No, I have measles mumps. When I was a kid,

814
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: it was.

815
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: Lots of people die from them. Used to die from

816
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: those well.

817
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: You know what. They died in the nineteen hundreds or

818
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 3: early nineteen hundreds, they were about ten thousand Americans a year.

819
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 3: In nineteen sixty four there was about three or four

820
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 3: hundred who died, and they were almost all severely malnourished kids,

821
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: mainly from the Mississippi Delta. This is before the poverty program,

822
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 3: so there was a lot of starving children in our countries.

823
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: It's very, very hard to kill a healthy child with

824
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: any infectious disease, but particularly with measles, and the World

825
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: Health Organization now says vitamin A is an absolute You're

826
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 3: from measles, which we didn't know about back then. Back then,

827
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: you know, we were treated with chicken soup and it was,

828
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: you know, a week at home watching leave It to Beaver,

829
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: and every kid caught it. Every single kid got it.

830
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 3: And I had eleven brothers and sisters and we all

831
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: got it and we're all fine. And there are lots

832
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 3: and lots of studies out there now that show that

833
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: kids who get measles as a child are much healthier

834
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: when they grow up, that they're much more resistant to cancers,

835
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 3: to atopic diseases, to allergies, and to heart disease.

836
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: You went to Samoa, you've convinced people not to get

837
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: the measles vaccine. An outbreak resulted in eighty three deaths.

838
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that the story is not true. First of all,

839
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister of Samoa stayed the measles vaccine after

840
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: measles vaccines killed a number of people in Samoa, including

841
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: members of his family. So when I went to Samoa,

842
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 3: the band was already in place, and I visited people

843
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 3: in Samoa. I didn't make a I didn't know there

844
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 3: was no policy that resulted from my going to Samoa. Secondly,

845
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: nobody died in Samoa from measles. They were dying from

846
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 3: a bad vaccine, and the vaccine was imported from Australia

847
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: and given to people who had measles, which is which

848
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 3: is not recommended. The same measles outbreak hit Tonga, there's

849
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: the neighboring island, and nobody died because they didn't get

850
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 3: the vaccine. So this is more propaganda by the pharmaceutical industry,

851
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 3: which is you know, drumming up a lie who try

852
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 3: to discredit me. But if you actually look into it, John,

853
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 3: you'll find that it is not true.

854
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: And you still say that autism is costed by vaccines.

855
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, autism is caused by vaccines. And by the way,

856
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 3: CDC's owned data, you know in that they if they

857
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 3: did a study called very Stratton study in nineteen eighty nine,

858
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: and they looked at the hepatitis B vaccine. They looked

859
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: at children and from the biggest database in the world,

860
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 3: the Vaccine Safety Data Link, they looked at children who

861
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: got the appatitis B vaccine during their first thirty days

862
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: and they compare those to kids who got it later

863
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 3: or didn't get it at all. And there was a

864
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 3: thirteen one hundred and fifty percent elevated risk for autism

865
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: among the people who got there may.

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Speaker 1: Well be, but there are study he's with millions of

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Speaker 1: people you would there.

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Speaker 3: Look what you have this wrong. There's a series of

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Speaker 3: about thirteen studies that were done by people we called biostitutes.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 3: One of them was the leading one, who are people

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Speaker 3: who do these studies for money for CDC were paid

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Speaker 3: for by CDC in order to create the illusion that

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Speaker 3: vaccines don't cause autism. The chief scientists was a guy

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Speaker 3: called Paul Thornson, who's CDC late and his study is

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Speaker 3: the most cited study for this proposition. And Paul Thornson

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Speaker 3: is now fugitive. He's wanted by Inner poll. He stole

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Speaker 3: millions of dollars from CDC that he had claimed to

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Speaker 3: use on this study. But he was building houses, buying

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Speaker 3: motorcycles and living a life of luxury and the and

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Speaker 3: his study is absolute fraud. And yet it is they

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Speaker 3: have not retracted it because CDC is a dishonest organization

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Speaker 3: and it continues.

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Speaker 1: To be literature.

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Speaker 3: And there by the way, John, there are hundreds and

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Speaker 3: hundreds of studies. I've written a book. If you're interested,

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Speaker 3: I'm Arisol at the science speak that has I think

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Speaker 3: fourteen hundred references and at over four hundred studies cited

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Speaker 3: that link on autism and other related neurological injuries to vaccines.

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Speaker 3: There is no question about it if you actually read

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Speaker 3: the literature, if you listen to what the propaganda that

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Speaker 3: CDC tells you, Yeah, vaccines don't cause autism. It's propaganda

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Speaker 3: is a captive agency, that is that is intertwined and

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Speaker 3: owned by the pharmaceutical industry.

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Speaker 1: You could really drown in the weeds about this. I'm

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Speaker 1: struck by how the democray you seem to lately be

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Speaker 1: more of a threat to Trump, but the Democrats are

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Speaker 1: fighting harder to keep you off the ballots and the

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Speaker 1: stuff from Joy read on MSNBC the dangerous forces behind

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Speaker 1: his bid for the presidency and Labor Secretary Robert Wright

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Speaker 1: is saying, you're sending out Nazi dog whistles. Have you

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Speaker 1: seen his video he posted? It's crazy. He's a dangerous nutcase,

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Speaker 1: but his vision for our future is tainted by his

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Speaker 1: endorsements of hateful conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 3: He's been kind of not in touch with reality and

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Speaker 3: completely unwilling to kind of engage me.

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Speaker 1: He won't debate you.

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Speaker 3: No, nobody will. None of them won't. They won't have

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Speaker 3: me on any of their networks.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: But the only live interview I did was with Aaron Burnette.

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Speaker 3: But nobody else will do a live interview, and most

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Speaker 3: of them won't do any interviews at all.

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Speaker 1: I can see they want to avoid a live interview

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Speaker 1: because you get into the weeds of vaccine science and

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Speaker 1: they feel, we feel not all of it's true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if it's not true, then ar you with

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Speaker 3: me or post something afterwards that says we different with this.

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Speaker 1: I wish, I wish we could talk more about this,

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Speaker 1: but I'm told we're out of time. Thank you, Robert Kennedy.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, and thank you for being here today.

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Speaker 1: His campaign limited our interview to one hour. If we'd

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Speaker 1: had more time, I would have pushed him harder on

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Speaker 1: some of his claims. Now, he did say, if it's

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00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: not true, then argue with me, or post something afterwards

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Speaker 1: that says we different with this. I'll do that now.

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Speaker 1: About three things. First, Kennedy said this about fracking.

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Speaker 3: I was in Dimmick, Pennsylvania, a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 3: watching fire come out of a faucet from fracking.

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Speaker 1: This anti fracking movie gas Land publicized that and also

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Speaker 1: blamed fracking. But the movie and Kennedy are wrong. It's

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Speaker 1: true that Fawcett water sometimes can catch fire, but it's

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Speaker 1: wrong to blame fracking. There are many places in America

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Speaker 1: where no fracking is done but water still catches fire.

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Speaker 1: This happens because of naturally occurring gas that's already in

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Speaker 1: the ground. The director of President Obama's EPA.

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Speaker 2: Said, in no case have we made a definitive determination

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Speaker 2: that the fracking process has caused chemicals to enter groundwater.

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Speaker 1: Also during our interview, I said to Kennedy, you went

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Speaker 1: to Samo. You've convinced people not to get the measles vaccine,

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Speaker 1: an outbreak resulted in eighty three deaths.

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Speaker 3: Well, that story is not true. First of all, the

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister of Samoa stayed the mess vaccine after it

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Speaker 3: ness vaccines killed a number of people in Samos, and

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Speaker 3: I went to Samoa the band was already in place.

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Speaker 1: That is true. My question was poorly worded. I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have quoted this magazine article that suggests that his visit

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Speaker 1: caused the deaths. But Kennedy's wrong when he says nobody

949
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Speaker 1: died from measls, many did die. A Lancet article says

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Speaker 1: there were more than five thousand cases of measles and

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Speaker 1: eighty three deaths. Kennedy claims the real killer at Samoa

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Speaker 1: is a bad vaccine, and there were two deaths because

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Speaker 1: local nurses injected babies with incorrectly mixed vaccines. But what

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Speaker 1: killed more people The Samoa is pulling its vaccine. After

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Speaker 1: those babies died, Immunization rates declined sharply. That caused the

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Speaker 1: measles deaths. Kennedy's claim that all the deaths resulted from

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Speaker 1: bad vaccine is just wrong. Fortunately, today Samoa vaccinates kids again. Finally,

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Speaker 1: about Kennedy's repeated claim that.

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Speaker 3: Augism has caused by vaccines and there was a thirteen

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty percent I'm elevated.

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Speaker 1: Risk or no, there isn't. Kennedy bases his claim on

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Speaker 1: this paper which found more autism among vaccinated kids, but

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Speaker 1: this was unpublished data. Other researchers controlled for other variables.

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Speaker 1: They found no correlation, and many, many bigger studies find

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Speaker 1: no link between today's vaccines and autism. One even looked

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Speaker 1: at every child born in Denmark. Over ten years, Kennedy's

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00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: anti vaccine messages hurt people. Vaccines do save lives. Now,

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Speaker 1: his critics claim he just makes things up. We didn't

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Speaker 1: find that. He doesn't just make things up, but he

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Speaker 1: misleads because he ignores bigger, better, more reliable studies. So

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Speaker 1: Kennedy and I disagree about a lot, but he's unusual

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Speaker 1: in that he will appear here and debate these issues.

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Speaker 1: Good for him, That's what America is supposed to be about.

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