WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: Time After Time 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:05.400 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind production of I 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:15.480 Heart Radio. Hey you, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.560 is Rob Land, and this is Joe McCormick, and it 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.919 is Time Travel a clock on Weird House Cinema. Today's 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:26.479 movie selection is the nineteen seventy nine romantic sci fi 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:30.840 adventure Time after Time by the American writer and filmmaker 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.519 Nicholas Meyer. So this is a movie that I had 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.800 never seen until this week. Uh, And I came across 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.880 it by way of a plot description in some article 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:42.720 I was reading somewhere. I don't even remember what it 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.639 was now, but I discovered in this article that there 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:50.559 was allegedly a time travel adventure movie in which the 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:54.760 English writer H. G. Wells, real historical figure author of 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.840 the novel The Time Machine, played in this movie by 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:01.880 Malcolm McDowell. Must you was a real time machine to 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.479 chase Jack the Ripper played by a smooth and sadistic 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:09.280 David Warner through space and time in this time machine 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:13.440 to prevent the Ripper from slashing twentieth century disco dancers. 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.680 And the premise was it sounded so bonkers that I 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.520 immediately thought this had to be a good option option 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:24.120 for weird House. And then the really surprising thing was 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:25.920 the more I read about it, the more it seemed 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.640 that most critics really liked this movie, even though I 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:31.320 had somehow never really heard of it, or if I 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.360 had heard about it, it didn't make enough of an 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.560 impression that I remembered it. So so I saw it 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.520 this out, and I gotta say I was really impressed. 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.679 You know. On the downside, for for weird House context, 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:46.320 at least, I will say this movie doesn't actually when 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:50.080 you're watching it, feel quite as weird in its execution 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.800 as a straight read on the premise would lead you 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.120 to assume. But nevertheless, I think this is mostly just 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.600 a really great movie and it opens up all kinds 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:02.320 of interesting bigger question is about the themes and ambitions 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:06.320 of time travel stories and science fiction in general. Yeah. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.720 I was excited to view this film again, um, especially 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.880 after watching Spookies last week. Uh, in part because I 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.160 was excited because you had never seen it and and 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.600 so that would make it fresh. It's a film that 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.600 I had not seen in a long time. I remember 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.480 watching it on TV. I don't know if they used 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.160 to show it on like t NT, or maybe it 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.119 came on an E or something back in the day. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:31.239 But I remember watching it on television and uh oh 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.840 it's uh it does it holds up so well? I 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.840 don't I've I've spoken to various people and folks who 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:38.919 have seen this movie. They tend to like it. I 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.160 haven't met anybody who hated it. It's kind of like 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.240 an Orange Julius. I guess, as long as you just 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:48.280 don't really hate orange Joes or really hate um, you know, malls, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.200 malls or something. I don't know. It's a terrible analogy, 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.440 but I don't know. It's something about about this film 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.840 just seems to to sit well with most people. I 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.280 don't know. Everything's very well calibrated, like it's sci fi, 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.040 but it's not so sci fi that it turns off 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.600 people that would be opposed to say, rampaging more locks, 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.600 And yet people like like us, who might say why 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.120 are there no more locks in this picture? It's still 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.560 it's still so captivating and well acted and well put 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:20.799 together that I ultimately can't argue too much about the results. Yeah, 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.239 I I agree. I mean, I would have, of course 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.280 enjoyed if it if it went much weirder and wrapped 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.000 in more h G. Wells Lower had more locks and 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.480 all kinds of stuff like that. It doesn't, And in fact, 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.880 the film is almost the opposite of that. I would say, 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.320 for a science fiction movie involving one of the most 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:41.320 like notorious, sadistic serial killers in history, this is an 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:47.040 extremely uh cozy feeling movie. Would you agree? I would agree. 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.240 I believe this was a PG, but it was a 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:53.560 nineteen seventy nine PG, so I do not recommend watching 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:57.320 this with with your young children. There is there is blood, 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.840 and there's some mature themes that are explored. But but 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.520 he even those mature themes, which are you know, just 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.200 part of the tapestry you're invoking by bringing in a 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.800 character like Jack the Ripper, they are they are handled 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.080 in a very light and ultimately kind of comforting way, 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.600 I guess, And I think it also helps that uh, 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.719 you know, it's funny. I wanna criticize myself because I 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.400 think in a previous episode of Weird House Cinema, I 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.880 was trying to list actors that just have that evil look, 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.640 that unfortunately just have faces where maybe they can't overcome 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.599 the fact that they look sadistic and sinister, and one 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:34.800 of the actors I singled out in this regard is 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.839 Malcolm McDowell. Like, it's gonna be hard to have Malcolm 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.520 McDowell as a hero because he just looks like an 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.120 evil person. That's not a nice thing to say, but 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.960 for some reason he does. And yet I haven't seen 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.640 this movie at the time. In this movie, he's so sweet. 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.640 He is this he is, He's very lovable in this 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.680 He's a Victorian teddy bear. Uh. And and he he 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.000 also feels smaller than usual. Uh, probably by design the 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.320 way they were shooting him and maybe leaning into his 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.440 actual hide a little bit instead of putting him in 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:07.279 on an apple box or something. Um. Yeah, it's also 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.920 fascinating that he This was the film that followed up 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.320 the notorious Caligula, in which he very much played a 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.840 villain and a nasty character in a in a nasty film, 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.040 and apparently that was part of it. He's like, I 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.200 really don't want to play a villain for for once? 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.240 Can I play the hero of a picture? And yeah, 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.880 he's great in this. It's almost hard to imagine the 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:30.040 gap that has crossed going from Caligula to this sweet 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:34.600 romantic time travel adventure, you know, love story. Galloping across 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.760 the time. Caligula is it's It's a movie that I 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.400 have tried to watch for badness sake years ago with 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.120 with some friends, and I I couldn't make it through 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:49.040 the movie. It is just so so repulsive and like 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.520 it it's the one of the ugliest movies I've ever seen. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:57.480 Like the colors hurt the eyes. It's just relentless depressing 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.760 violence and and depravity. There's one part that's, uh, you know, 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.880 it would have been funny in a different movie because 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.680 it's so ridiculous. There's a part where like, um, I 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.560 think Malcolm McDowell is like watching a gigantic lawnmower in 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.560 ancient Rome, just like cut off the heads of people 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.240 who were buried up to their necks. But but the 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.599 movie is like so depressing, Like even that wasn't funny. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.560 Uh So, so it's just yeah, just awful. And then yeah, 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.919 going from that to this which is just this this spry, 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:32.400 sprightly beautiful time travel adventure. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.800 quite a quite elite. But yeah, he's he's very good 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.400 in this. And I will say that, as Malcolm McDowell aged, 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.200 I feel like he kind of aged into that face 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.480 even more to where it's harder to imagine older Malcolm 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:49.719 McDowell playing um a likable character and a non villain. 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.120 But but I say that he's been in so many films. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.440 I'm sure he pops up later on playing like a 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:58.160 kind grandfatherly character. But but also I think he became 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:02.200 increasingly typecast as he got older too. Yeah, and he's 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.360 still active. We'll get into his bio open in a bit. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.440 But yeah, he's still active, so there's still time. Okay, 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.160 how about a movie where Malcolm McDowell plays Santa Clause 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.800 he could go to Kurt Russell route. You know, I 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:13.400 don't know. I guess the part of the thing is 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.320 if you are going to pay out and get Malcolm 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.400 McDowell to play Santa Claus in your film, then clearly 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.400 you want villainous Santa Claus. Like what are you doing? 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.920 You know at this point? One of the Yeah, one 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.320 of those Santa Claus is a is the Monster movie 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:33.880 is like the one with Goldberg? Remember that one I 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.680 know of it. Yeah, Well, and maybe we should uh 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.320 give a little historical context for the premise of this movie, 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:44.440 which is once again h G. Wells must pursue Jack 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.200 the Ripper through time in a time machine to stop 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.440 him from from ripping the twentieth century. Yeah, well, let's 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.720 let it rip here. So, first of all, what do 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.160 you need to know about H. G. Wells and the 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.480 Time Machine to enjoy this film? Well, not a lot, 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:00.240 but here the basics. Time Machine is an excellent five 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.440 novel by English writer H. G. Wells who lived eighteen 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:08.600 sixty six through nineteen five. It's a short read, widely available, 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.200 and in my opinion, it holds up really well. It's 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.120 a very readable text today. One thing that's worth noting 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.280 is that the time this movie is set before H. G. 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.440 Wells wrote the novel. So, uh so he wrote the 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.080 novel in I don't remember exactly the year, but I 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.040 think this is set in eighteen one or ninety three 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.040 something like that, or at the beginning is before they 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.920 travel through time eight I believe that would be the 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.200 that would be prime ripping uh time right there? Okay, 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.560 al right? At any rate, U this is not the 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.679 absolute first time travel yarn. That's a it's an interesting 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.280 discussion to get in. I think we've talked about this 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:43.559 in the show when he's trying to figure out like 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.800 who was the first person to deal with time travel? 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.680 But it was the first time travel story to gain 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.800 just a huge degree of popularity, and Wells actually coined 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.280 the term time machine. Now, to be clear, the character 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.960 in the book is just the time traveler and is 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:03.319 not Wells himself. Alf Wells from a first person perspective, 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.959 and it is. But I don't think we're really supposed 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.840 to assume that Wells made a time machine. No, no, 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:12.319 no no. This this film, however, takes a different approach. 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.600 Um Wells was a futurist, though in real life he 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.160 was not an inventor outside of the invention of sci 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.880 fi concepts and the like and the exploration of new ideas. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.120 The book has been adapted a few different times, including 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:28.720 the famous nineteen sixty George Powell adaptation. This one has 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.679 a really iconic look for the time machine, wonderful morelock designs, 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.040 Like when you think more locks, these are the more 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.520 locks you probably picture. But there was also a nine 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.319 eight TV movie and a two thousand to remake that 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.160 I've seen, and as uh, I remember it being all right. 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:46.840 But the interesting thing about it is that it was 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:52.280 directed by wells great grandson Simon Wells. Really that's interesting. Yeah, 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.520 that's worth seeing it on its own, even if it 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.320 came out in two thousand two, which man movies from 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.720 two thousand two, it is hard to escape that early too. Thousands. Look, 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:02.920 it just kind of bleeds in everything. I watched a 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.720 movie from two thousand two the other day. It was 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:10.079 a really bad but enjoyable Clint Eastwood detective movie from 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.320 two thousand two called blood Work. I don't know if 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.600 you've seen that one. I've not seen that one. Well, so, 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:19.120 I mean absolute like hack detective story, hilarious but also 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.480 quite fun, and it's got that look it just like 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.560 everything from two thousand two has this I don't know 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.280 this some feature of like the contrast and the colors 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:32.000 and everything. Just everything looks kind of slick and awful. Well, 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.120 it's been a while since I saw the two thousand 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.720 two time Machine, but I remember, I remember being entertained 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.640 by it, and I remember that it had Jeremy Irons 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.320 is a more lock in it, So oh, good, good 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.720 choice there. Yeah, I remember the more locks look pretty good. 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:47.719 But then again, I'm just I'm generally in on the 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.199 idea of moral it's hard to break more locks from me. Oh. 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.880 But one thing that was true about the historical figure H. G. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.840 Wells that is also true of the character in the 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.640 movie is that he was known as something of a 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.719 kind of progressive utopian socialists and a futurist. So he 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.480 had a lot of like visions of the future that 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.760 involved uh, progressive political ideals. I'm not sure if all 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.840 of the exact things stated by the character in the 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.320 film would be real things that H. G. Wells thought 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:16.920 or would have said, but it's at least sort of 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:21.199 in the ballpark, right. And then ultimately, the film is 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:26.240 largely about the idea that if if Wells represents optimism 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.480 for the future coming out of the Victorian Age, and 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:32.520 ultimately the optimism about what was possible in the Victorian 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.360 Age in the late nineteen hundreds, then our other figure 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:40.240 represents the worst of that time period, the ricorious character 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.920 of Jack the Ripper. So what do you need to 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.360 know about Jack the Ripper? Okay, here the basics. So 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.119 in many ways, this is the original true crime sensation 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:52.200 and a topic of continued and largely fruitless intrigue today. 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.640 Also referred to as a leather apron, this was an 0:11:55.760 --> 0:12:01.400 unidentified serial killer, active in London's Whitechapel district around eighty eight. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:06.240 He targeted under privileged members of society, generally prostitutes, and 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.200 was known for the modus operandi of slicing first the 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.400 throat then the abdomen, as well as his taunting letters 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.720 to the media. Now, one note I do have there 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.160 is that because this movie set me off on a 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:19.880 reading spree where I was like, oh, I need to 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.240 know things about Jack the Ripper. Uh. The letters are 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.640 one of the most famous things about him, though I 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:29.440 think there is serious doubt about the authenticity of all 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.800 of the letters that I think there's only one letter 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.679 that historians take seriously at all as possibly being from 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.640 the killer himself, and this is the so called from 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.600 Hell letter because and I think the reason this is 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.360 the only one that's really taken seriously is that it 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:49.280 was accompanied by a jar containing a piece of actual 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:53.120 human kidney, allegedly taken from one of the victims, though 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.679 it's not possible to confirm whether it actually came from 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.120 a victim or not. They didn't have like DNA testing 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.000 at the time obviously, and uh and so, and it 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.920 could have been obtained from a medical college or cadaver 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.760 or something like that. Yeah, and I believe the police 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.920 at the time they suspected or that one of their 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.439 theories was that it that was the origin of the 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:14.600 organ as it came from some sort of you know, 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.640 um cadaver situation as opposed to have murder victim. And 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.040 one of the weird things about it is that the 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.480 from Hell letter, I will say, just as like a 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.199 literary appraisal of the interest contained in these letters, it's 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.640 one of the less interesting ones. Like the really interesting 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.640 letters are the ones that are pretty much yeah, known 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:38.960 to be hoaxes that were sent possibly by like journalists 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.680 trying to gin up interest in the story further to 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.880 sell more newspapers. Yeah. Absolutely, those those are some of 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.560 the more entertaining letters. But also and you can see 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.240 why they would have been fabricated just to sort of 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:56.040 drum up this uh this this paranois and excitement about 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:57.720 the murders they have that one of them has that 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.720 line I shan't stop ripping right until I am good 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:06.679 and buckled or something. Yeah, uh so, so, yeah, you know, 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.000 there's a high probability that he didn't write any of 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.559 these letters, but they are very much associated with him 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.440 the idea of this this figure that is killing and 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.280 then mocking the press, that is that is the subject 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.440 out of all this media and public fear and fascination, 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.880 but is also potentially feeding it as well and feeding 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.520 off of it, right. And I think it's these letters, 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.400 even though probably none of them are authentic, or at 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.520 least most of them are not authentic. It's these letters 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.320 that sort of create one of the most lasting legacies 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.520 of Jack the Ripper, which is this idea that he's 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.000 sort of playing a game of chess with the police, uh, 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.240 and that this is a major part of his motivation. 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:45.800 And this does come through in the movie as well, 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.200 because you see Jack the Ripper in his identity before 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.880 he's revealed to be Jack the Ripper. Uh. He he 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.120 is a friend of H. G. Wells and they play 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.600 chess together in the movie, and you know he's very 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:00.720 into like outsmarting his opponents. Yeah. Now, there are I 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:05.560 think just five verified murders if you will, by Jack 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.360 the Ripper, though there are others that may or may 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.360 not be attributed to him, depending on where you're falling. 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.840 And then likewise, there's a great deal of folklore, fiction 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.480 and pseudo history that just abound within the realm of 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.080 Ripper ology. Um, he was never caught. And there are 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.600 numerous suspects that have been discussed over the years, and 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.200 they range from the potentially believable to the to the 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:32.560 outrageous to the unbelievable even during the time. Um, and 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.600 some of them, some of these suspects did have a 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.280 surgical background, because there was the whole apparent removal of 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.240 organs in the murders, and so you know, some thought, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.240 well this, this indicates that they had the individual had 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:50.840 some level of training or expertise or familiarity with human anatomy. Now, 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.080 in time after time, the Ripper is this character Dr 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:58.600 John Leslie Stevenson, who is not an historical person as 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.520 far as I can tell. But weirdly enough, the Outer 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:06.520 Limit episode Ripper, which stars David Warner and carry Elis, 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:10.640 was co written by Leslie Stevens. So there you go. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.000 That's enough of a connection for Ripper ology. I think, Wait, 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.120 is Leslie Stevens a real person and it's just a 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.600 coincidence or is this a pseudonym for saying it was 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:22.240 like written by David Warner or something? Um, I mean 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.640 it's an IMDb writing credit. That's not David Warner, So 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.840 I I think it's either just somebody who happens to 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.160 be Leslie Stevens, or is the actual Jack the Ripper 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.480 having time traveled to the nineties to make a career 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:38.520 for himself in uh in TV screenplay writing? Okay, So 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.080 the last week I've been wandering around my house NonStop 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.600 singing that Cindy Lauper song. I can't get it out 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.400 of my head. Is it's not used in the film? 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.080 In fact, the song was released after this film came out. 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:53.560 Is there any connection between them? Allegedly, Cindy Lauper was 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.200 inspired to write the song because she liked the movie, 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.560 and weirdly enough, there was a in re in history, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.520 there's been a there was an attempt to bring the 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.919 novel Time After Time back as a TV series, and 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.680 each episode of the TV series gets its title from 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:15.240 the lyrics to Cindy Lauper's Time after Time. Nice Nice. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.600 Cindy Lawper doesn't get enough credit as a songwriter. You know, 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.040 have you ever have you ever actually listened to the 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.640 like the lyrics of girls just want to have Fun? 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:29.080 That's actually like a sort of profound and sad song. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.280 I I like some Cindy Lapper. I haven't really been 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.680 playing her recently, but but yeah, she had a number 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.840 of hits I would I would generally take the Cindy 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.760 Lapper songs of that era and put them above the 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.919 Madonna songs of that era. Oh, I don't know if 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.600 I would go that far, but definitely I'm a fan. 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.120 And now I have to correct myself because I actually 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.320 just looked it up to make sure and found out 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.480 that Cyndy Lawper did not write girls Just Want to 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.920 Have Fun. Her version was a cover version. Whoops. Okay, well, 0:17:55.240 --> 0:18:05.920 great song anyway, and her version is great. So we've 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.520 already pretty much done our elevator pitch for time after time? 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.120 Shall we go ahead and listen to just a little 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:12.960 bit of the trailer audio? Not the full thing, but 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.760 just a little bit of the trailer maybe some Oh man, 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:17.840 I don't like this trailer. I feel like it really 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.560 it takes away from the movie. But okay, let's let's 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.520 just get at least get a snippet. The time is 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.399 and novelists and in better H. G. Wells makes us 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:33.480 startling announcement, gentlemen, I am talking about traveling through time 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:38.760 in a machine constructed for that Betty purpose. The first 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.320 to use the machine, however, is Dr John Leslie Stevenson, 0:18:44.600 --> 0:19:03.480 better known to history as Jack the Ripper Time after time. Yea, yeah, 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.800 this is this is a bad trailer. I hate the 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.600 comedic trailer narrator who's like Jack the Ripper is on 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.800 a on a vacation, you know, it's like always this 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.680 kind of like Casey Cason asked, voice that's like, you're 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.960 gonna have a good time at the theater and give 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.440 me the voice of God any day over this nonsense. 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.879 The trailer is bad in numerous ways, and I do 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.000 not recommend watching it. First of all, because of what 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.639 you're saying. The tone and the narrator are irritating and 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.119 I think do not accurately communicate the the spirit and 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.879 feeling of the movie. And second, the trailer reveals the 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.040 entire plot, including the ending. It's one of those awful things. 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.399 So like, if you've seen the trailer, the movie is 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.800 kind of spoiled for you. Yeah. Yeah, not a good 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.440 way to go into this film. Now, being a time 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.480 travel movie. One of the things that I was thinking 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.760 about for this episode is it it sort of made 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:55.600 me want to create an in house taxonomy of major 0:19:55.680 --> 0:20:00.360 types of time travel stories, sorted by prevalent themes um 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.359 And of course, any given movie or story can partake 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.840 of multiple different time travel themes, multiple of the themes 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.120 that follow that we're about to talk about. And I'm 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.439 also sure this list will not be exhaustive. People will 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.119 probably right in and be like, hey, what about this 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:14.920 type of movie? It will be something I didn't even 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.000 think about, But I think here are some of the 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:21.159 major categories of time travel stories. Uh and, and we 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.560 can talk about how time after time fits or does 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.359 not fit into each of them. So the first one 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.159 I wanted to mention is what I would call the 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:33.080 debugging history story. Uh and. This is a type of 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:38.119 time travel story that focuses primarily on isolating variables of 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:42.080 cause and effect in the progression of history and human life. 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:47.280 So it's largely concerned with with the consequences of decisions 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:51.440 and the long term ripple effects of seemingly minor events 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.399 and encounters. So this can be seen, for example, in 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:58.480 Back to the Future, where Marty McFly learns that that 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:02.760 you know, certain minor interventions with his parents as teenagers 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.760 like he gives his teenage dad a pep talk about 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:09.240 standing up for himself and so forth. This radically changes 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.720 the circumstances of his family thirty years later. Or it 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.280 can be seen in movies that don't even really feature 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:19.120 time travel, but just merely the alteration of past events. 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:22.080 An example here might be the final act of It's 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:25.040 a Wonderful Life, where George Bailey learns that, you know, 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:27.760 if if Clarence the Angel tweaks history so that he 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:30.800 was never born, everybody else in his life turns out 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.760 miserable and impoverished, and he sees the impact that his 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.480 life had. I would actually say that Time after Time 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.360 does not partake heavily of the debugging history theme, though 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.280 there are little nods here and there, especially at the ending. 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.280