1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Breedings listeners, 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: and welcome back. My name is Matt and I'm Ben, 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: and this is stuff they don't want you to know. Today. 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna be exercising some demons, right then, yes, e 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: x O are Yeah, yeah, we're not. We're not gonna 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: be jazzersizing some demons or prancersizing any demons. We're gonna 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: be taking demons out of you through spiritual rituals. And 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: if we are successful, then we will join a long 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: line of UH spiritual and religious officials throughout human history 12 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 1: who have sought to cleanse human beings or as we'll 13 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: find sometimes jets or even just places of some sort 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: of otherworldly presence. We are talking about exorcism today, and 15 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: exorcism is something that has fascinated both of us in 16 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: our own ways for a long time, isn't it right? Oh? Yeah, absolutely. 17 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: I grew up very religious, and exorcism wasn't necessarily a 18 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: part of my growing up, however, it was definitely I 19 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: was aware of it highly and UH man with films 20 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: coming out around the time in the late I guess 21 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: it was the late nineties for me when I really 22 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: started getting into it and watching movies like The Shining 23 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: and The Evil Dead. Uh, you start to really wonder 24 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: about some of these things, even if it's just a 25 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: highly stylized horror movie. Right. Yeah, And we have uh, 26 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: we have a great article on our website, how Stuff 27 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: Works dot Com, our parent website, rather about exorcism and 28 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: what it is and how it works. In the Catholic Encyclopedia, 29 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: exorcism is defined as the act of driving out, rewarding 30 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: off demons or evil spirits from persons, places, or things 31 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: which are believed to be possessed or infested by them 32 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: and are liable to become victims or instruments of their malice. So, 33 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: and there are three types. So you just described the 34 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: three types essentially, But there are three types of exorcism. 35 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: I know. The one that everybody is aware of is 36 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: the real exorcism, and that's its actual name. Right, It's 37 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: called a real exorcism where you're taking a spirit or 38 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: demon out of a human body that is possessed, right 39 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: through performing the right of exorcism, which in the Catholic 40 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: Church can only be performed UM with explicit authorization by 41 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: the Vatican. Right, Yeah, that's pretty crazy. You you have 42 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: to show there. The Vatican has to believe with evidence 43 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: that you provide whoever you are, the person and presenting 44 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: to the Vatican that this person is actually possessed by 45 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: a demon her spirit. And the Vatican does have a 46 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: head exorcist. However, that head exorcist is more like a 47 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: person in charge of a department rather than you know, um, 48 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: an absolute pinnacle shot caller. Yeah. Yeah, he's not the 49 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 1: uber exorcists that goes out and performs the exorcisms. Yeah, 50 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: that is interesting. He's more of a bureaucratic head, right 51 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: like uh, I believe for a long time the head 52 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: exorcist was a guy named Gabriel am or Um and 53 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: I may be mispronouncing that, but he was. He's the 54 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: one who UM has UH claim to or is reputed 55 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: to have cleansed tens of thousands of people, places, or 56 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: things from demonic possession. But as you said, Matt, that 57 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: when we say real exorcism, that is one of the 58 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: most rare types of exorcism, and it's the one that 59 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: you see in all the horror films, right, Yeah, it's 60 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: the most compelling usually or because you're dealing with a 61 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: human being. And yeah, and then there's simple exorcism, which 62 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: is where you bless a place or a thing. Right, 63 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: So this would be where a where someone a practicing 64 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: Catholic beliefs that maybe their house or um a nearby 65 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: ruin of some sort is unholy and a priest comes 66 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: to bless the area. Yeah, or even a little doll 67 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: that's creeping out someone's daughter, you gotta come and bless it. Man, 68 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 1: you never know, And you mean creepy out, isn't scaring? 69 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: Not like emerging from her mouth? Because that would be 70 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: the case for real, if that would be just one 71 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: that's making weird noises perhaps in the room when you're 72 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: not around, but your daughter thinks that the doll is 73 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: really talking to her. And this, this next type is 74 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: going to be a surprise for quite a few of 75 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: our listeners, right that this is um, this is the 76 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: part that creep me out. Uh, if you are listening now, Uh, 77 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: just let us know if you've ever been baptized, where 78 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: you baptized matter? Right? And uh, in the in the 79 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: Catholic Church, a baptism is a form of exorcism, which 80 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: I did not know. So blessing an infant prior to 81 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: baptism to clean cleans it of evil resulting from the 82 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: notion of original sin. This means that if you have 83 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: ever been baptized, uh, you probably have experienced one of 84 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: the most common, statistically common forms of exorcism. And then 85 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: and then let's let's open it up. There's something even 86 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: bigger and stranger because exorcism is not just for the 87 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: Catholic Church, right, no, not at all. Exorcism takes place 88 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: all over the world. Um. Yeah, I I don't even 89 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: know if I doesn't. Are there any places where it 90 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: just doesn't occur? Um? I imagine in um. You know what, 91 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: that's a that's a good question because even in some 92 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: states that do not have a state religion or widespread, 93 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, institutionalized religious practices, the traditional beliefs persist. So 94 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: there can still be ritualized cleansings, which is really what 95 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: an exorcism is in um places that we wouldn't normally 96 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,559 Speaker 1: associate with that. You know, Buddhist and Hindu beliefs both 97 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: have place rituals to cleanse um a place or spirit, 98 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: and we know that in Islamic culture. Exorcism is also 99 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: practiced Islamic culture. It's a little bit different because in 100 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: an Islamic possession case, the person possessed is usually being 101 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: possessed by what they would call it jin and um. 102 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: You know, that's the root of what we in the 103 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: West recognize as a gene me but not the not 104 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: the nice powder blue or purple Robert Williams genie from Aladdin. 105 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: These are spirits and they can have they're they're pretty 106 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: much in corporeal um entities that can have uh their 107 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: own set of religious beliefs, right Like, Yeah, that was fascinating. 108 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: Ben and I were watching some videos earlier this week 109 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: about Islamic exorcisms and several of them were I guess 110 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: the exorcist they gut man performing the exorcism was calling 111 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: the jin a Christian gin that he was trying to 112 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: get out of this man um, and it was fascinating 113 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: to me. It's it seems very similar to some of 114 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: the Catholic exorcisms, where you're you're reciting UH Scripture and 115 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: basically saying get out, spirit, get out um, I call 116 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: you out in the name of In this case, it 117 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: was a law and it was fascinating to me just 118 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: the similarities they were incurring there. And as we know, 119 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: there've there have been extensive UH scientific investigations into the 120 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: nature of exorcism, and by far the majority of the 121 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: exorcism cases that we're investigated have been associated in some 122 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: way with Christianity. Right. What's interesting about the Islamic world, 123 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: especially in areas of fundamental religious belief um. This again, 124 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: this could be anywhere from Indonesia, I think that that's 125 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:39,479 Speaker 1: still the world's largest Muslim country UH to Saudi Arabia, 126 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: and most people who are aware of Saudi Arabia understand 127 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: that it has a UM, a very fundamentalist approach to Islam. 128 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: It also has UM the Wahabi sect, which is a 129 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 1: little bit different in terms of interpretation, doctrine, but um. 130 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: The part about it that can startle a lot of 131 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: people is that the idea of the existence of gin 132 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: in many Middle Eastern countries and in some Middle Eastern 133 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: universities is accepted as a fact of the universe, primarily 134 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: because Jenner mentioned explicitly in the Quran. And with this 135 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: in mind, we have to note that there is a 136 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: very different relationship between the spiritual authorities and the secular 137 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: academic authorities on the subject of possession. And and stop 138 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: me if I'm completely incorrect here, Ben, but I feel 139 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: like there's a connection when when your state, when your 140 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: government and your religious belief are kind of one and 141 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: the same or or very similar um in the case 142 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: with Suria law, it's very interesting to me. It seems 143 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: as though that would give you, that would make exorcism 144 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: and the belief in that that you truly can be 145 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: possessed much stronger. I feel, yes, And that's a good point. 146 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: And with with this in mind, let's look at some 147 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:16,239 Speaker 1: of the some of the ideas or the symptoms of possession, 148 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: at least in Western world. And we know one of 149 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: the big ones would be the ability to have UM, 150 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: the the ability to speak multiple languages or understand them 151 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: to be a pologlot and a lot of times it's 152 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: the language that the person possessed hasn't had any contact 153 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: with or would have no reason to be speaking that language. Sure, Latin, Aramaic, Chaldean, 154 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: things like that. And you can find you can find 155 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: an intense debate between the true believers and the people 156 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: who believe they're debunking these practices especially in regards to 157 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: the language, because the idea that someone could speak another 158 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: language also depends on the people observing it being able 159 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: to one identify the language and then be fluent in 160 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: that language enough to translate it right or to at 161 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: least record it and give it to an expert who 162 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: can verify it. And then second the ability of the 163 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: ability to prove that the possessed person has never had 164 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: access to it, which can be a little bit tricky. Um, 165 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: you know the Internet, right, you know, Like if we 166 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: take the case of Latin, um, I guarantee you if 167 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: you speak any Romance language, then you know far more 168 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: Latin than you think you'd do. Um. Another thing is 169 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: is the idea of clairvoyance, the idea that you might 170 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: be able to know. Like, for instance, let's say, are 171 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: Sarah goodbuddy Jonathan Strickland is possessed and he would love this. 172 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: Jonathan is possessed and he knows things that he otherwise 173 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to know, things across time and space, right, Um, 174 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: accurate lottery predictions or accurate which you know, guys, if 175 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: that happened to then people will be clamoring to get 176 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: their friends possessed, right, uh, and uh, he also knows 177 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: you know things that you have never told anyone about 178 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: your childhood and stuff. Yeah, that's very sticky to try 179 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: to conclusively prove, and to our knowledge at least, why 180 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: you and I should go ahead and say this. To 181 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: our knowledge, people have yet to find a universally accepted 182 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: case of possession. There have been cases where an exorcism 183 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: was considered successful by the Catholic Church. And again, when 184 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: we say exorcism, we're talking about all three types of exorcism, 185 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: including the ritual, the right of exorcism, or the real exorcism. Um. 186 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: But there hasn't been one at least that the entire 187 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: world has accepted as a act. Another thing physical strength 188 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: beyond the person's natural abilities. We know that human beings 189 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: are capable of supernatural excuse me, superhuman feats of strength, right. Yeah, 190 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: the adrenaline. Adrenaline is a crazy chemical. It can just 191 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: make your your muscles do things that they shouldn't be 192 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: able to do. There's there are numerous cases of people 193 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: lifting cars in an emergency situation. Um, Like when I've 194 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: forget the woman's name, but saving her daughter by literally 195 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: lifting up her car. That's crazy to mean it kind 196 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: of reminds me of our superhuman episode that we were 197 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: going over, and it just reminds me of the incredible 198 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: things that we can do without um any necessary intervention, 199 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: without necessarily a divine or demonic intercession. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, 200 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: And I think that this is where we enter into 201 00:13:54,520 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: a fascinating aspect of exorcisms. Um. Now, you know earlier 202 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: you and I are both sort of armchair folklore's, which 203 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: just means that we read a bunch of interesting stuff 204 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: about um, traditional beliefs or as they were called, folk 205 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: ways often and in regard to exorcism and witchcraft in general, 206 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: we found some very interesting sociological arguments. If I could 207 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: just take just a brief sidebar here. Um, When I 208 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: was earlier years years ago, I was studying, uh, the 209 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: early American literature concerning on the Salem witch Trials and 210 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: their European counterparts, and other other times in which the 211 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: law and belief in the supernatural had had come together 212 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: and come and come to loggerheads even And one interesting thing, 213 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact name of the book. I 214 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: think it was The Devil Where's a Red Dress? Or 215 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: something that I'll correct myself in the Future podcast when 216 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: I find this book. In this book, though, the the 217 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: author argues that the persecution for witchcraft was a means 218 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: of a social means of preventing economic equality between genders, 219 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: because often the women who were quote unquote which is, 220 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: turned out to be landowners or to have assets of 221 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: some sort. And we know that in some cases in 222 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: the European practice of which persecution uh, the inquisitors or 223 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: the accusers stood to gain, to have a reward for 224 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: turning in again a quote unquote, which so there may 225 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: also be a sociological explanation for exorcism or its existence 226 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: in the East and in the West, in the in 227 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: the East, um or in the nearest at least if 228 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: we're to examine an Islamic um framework for this. One 229 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: fascinating idea would be that if a possession or an 230 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: exorcism occurs in a very fundamentalist environment, you know, to 231 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: take Saudi Arabia again for an example, then there's an 232 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: interesting argument to be made, and it's entirely speculative on 233 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: my part, that a woman being possessed by a jin 234 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: of some sort would be able to directly address concerns 235 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: that would be otherwise ignored if she were to address 236 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: them simply as herself. Now, I am not by any 237 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: means accusing people of intentionally faking possession. UM. I am 238 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: saying that it is much more likely in some cases, 239 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: depending upon the specifics of the problem, of the root 240 00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: of the possessions. So would that be like spousable abuse 241 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: or what kind of things do you think that would 242 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: possibly come up in that or have you read anything? Yeah, 243 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: it could be. It could be, um, a case of 244 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: spousal abuse. It could be a case of of husband 245 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: violating some sort of law regarding treatment of wives or 246 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: engagement of additional wives. It could also be something between 247 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: a male relative. So, for instance, let's say if a 248 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: husband has expired and there is some sort of UM, 249 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to say shenanigans, you know, I don't 250 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: want to make it sound silly, but but some sort 251 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: of injustice occurring in the wake of that death, then this, 252 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: this quality of exorcism and possession uh, theoretically provides another 253 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: avenue for justice in a patriarchal society. Now, of course, 254 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: when we go in to this kind of look, we're 255 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: we're looking at it from an entirely skeptical viewpoint. And 256 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: this makes me want to return to the to the 257 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 1: Vatican Church, which has stood even even as the West 258 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: modernized over the centuries, and as a cohesive whole, people 259 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: in Europe and people in Canada and the America's began 260 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: to sort of drift away from this idea that there 261 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: are demons or spirits possessing human beings, and instead of 262 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: going with this, the Catholic Church has long maintained that 263 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: exorcism is a real thing, and that while the vast 264 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: majority of purported possession cases have some sort of other 265 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: Monday and explanation, there are still a few where clearly 266 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: some sort of demon is in is in a person. 267 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: And this goes back to you know, centuries of thousands 268 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: of years worth of beliefs or anecdotes or cases that 269 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: are taken to be true even in let's see, if 270 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: we go back to Gabrielle Amour, who said in October 271 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: two thousand that he had performed over fifty thousand exorcisms. Um. 272 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: He he has said things that have been controversial to people. 273 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: Of course, he railed against Harry Potter for its glorification 274 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: of witchcraft, which is one of those sort of BuzzFeed 275 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: kind of headlines that makes people want to say, oh, 276 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 1: that's so silly possession, you know. Yeah, it is strange 277 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: though if you true, if you hold that belief, uh, 278 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: if it's so grounded in just your your worldview. I 279 00:19:55,080 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: can imagine that having this multi multimillion dollar series. Yeah 280 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: kind of you know, teaching not teaching kids God, because 281 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: it's not teaching kids is a movie, but just showing kids, Hey, 282 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: you this is this is really cool being in this 283 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: this giant castle that teaches you how to be not 284 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: a witch, a wizard. But uh, yeah, I can I 285 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: can imagine how you would be upset with that, if 286 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: you're stuck in that that bubble of belief. Yeah, and 287 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: I I can understand that too. And let's to be 288 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: fair to the exorcist in this case, Um, the number 289 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: of exorcisms he claimed to have been involved with, I 290 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: said fifty thousand in two thousand, right. The number continued 291 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: rising as people would ask him later, and I should 292 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: say that he ranked those as once he'd been involved 293 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: with is. At one point he said the ones he 294 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: personally performed were thirty thousand over nine years. And he said, 295 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: I know, and he said, of those thirty thousand, only 296 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: ninety four we're representing a full blown possession. So still 297 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: nine cases. I'd love to see. I wonder if he uh, 298 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: I'd like for him to show his work, you know, 299 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: if well we can learn more about his stuff in 300 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 1: He has a couple of books out. One is an 301 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: Exorcist tells his story and another is an Exorcist More stories. Okay, 302 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: so well, yeah, the these are not you know, of 303 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: course canonical documents. These aren't cannon. But um, there's another 304 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: interesting story here. He believes that the senior officials of 305 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: the Nazi Party were associated with Satanism. And we do 306 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: know you and I know that all our listeners know too, 307 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: if you guys have watched our videos on this, that 308 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: member high ranking members of the Nazi Party and different 309 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: Nazi departments. The s s for instance, um, were what 310 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: we would call cult is of a sort. They were 311 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: definitely not practicing Christians or any of the you know, 312 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: Bramaic religions. I mean certainly no Jewish members of that party. 313 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: This is the full society right there, right, I forget 314 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: the tenants of it. We can we went over it 315 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: briefly before that. This is another subject that we can 316 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: look at. Yeah, this is a going for us to 317 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: look at. He he believed, um and Worth believed that 318 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: both Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler were possessed I demonic 319 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: entities and this explains to him both the violence and 320 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: the spread of their organizations. So the the idea that, um, 321 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:53,239 Speaker 1: the idea that the possession as we understand it in 322 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: film and in TV and in horror anthologies which I'm 323 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: a big fan of. Uh, the the idea that this 324 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: possession would be common is incorrect. Apparently, according to at 325 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: least the Catholic Church, most possessions are not the possessions 326 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: that you would see in the exorcists. Those are those 327 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: are the other Uh, those are the rare spectrum, you know. Um. 328 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: Of course there are exorcisms in Judaism. Historically, even the 329 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: Dead Sea Scrolls mentioned exorcisms. Um. There is a rabbi 330 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: named Yahuda Faya, maybe mispronouncing that, who also writes on 331 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: his experience with exorcism and with possession. Now we know, 332 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: of course that, as we've said, the scientific world, the 333 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: people writing the D S, M for and all that, 334 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: don't classify possession as an actual disorder. Um. But there 335 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: are several disorders that may show the science of writing possessed. Yeah, 336 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: perfect right. So becausophrenia is one of them. Multiple personality 337 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: disorders another just the belief that you were being that 338 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: they well, just having voices in your head, which is 339 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: a real thing that can occur to you. Um, if 340 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: you have one of these mental disorders. Uh, yeah, that 341 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: would probably leave someone who would believe in possession to 342 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: believe that you are in fact possessed. And I wonder 343 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: how many times that has occurred in the past where 344 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: it was just an unknown, scientific, actual disorder that was 345 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: just misdiagnosed, right, Yeah, Like how how many times throughout 346 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: history has someone who may be an elderly person suffering 347 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: from dementia or maybe a person of any age who 348 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: has a developmental disability perhaps, Uh, and they have you know, 349 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: there's somehow mentally impaired that could be taken as a sign. 350 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: I mean, as we know his three is history is 351 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: written in blood and the people who has a dark 352 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: man it is dark. And I don't think we should 353 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: apologize for pointing it out. No, no apologies maybe for 354 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: the melodramatic phrase, sure, but we know that throughout history 355 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: all that all we really need for a community of 356 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: people to turn into violent animals is enough of a 357 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: difficult enough environment for long enough time, and someone to blame. 358 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: That's all it takes for your favorite neighbor, your niece, 359 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: your grandparents, or someone to turn into the source of 360 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: you know, the poison well or the source of the 361 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: ruined economy grow with yes, the mob growth Really, if 362 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: you want to, like the old joke on Reddit, one 363 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: of the sure fire ways to get rich quick is 364 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: to uh own a pitchfork and torch company, right it? 365 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: Uh So, we also know that there are quite a 366 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: few modern cases right of demonic possession. But the thing 367 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: is that when you and I get involved with these, 368 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: we often we go down a rabbit hole, and we 369 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: always find a couple of different sides to this story. 370 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: We find people who say, this is an absolute pile 371 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: of steamy garbage, and people have confirmation bias and they 372 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: just want to believe that demons and d angels and 373 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: spirits are real. And then we have people on the 374 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: other side who say, um, I knew it, I knew 375 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: it all along. There was something wrong with this creepy doll, 376 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: or there was my my child wasn't acting right. Ever, 377 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: since um, they touched that idol or something. And and 378 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: I think we also have people who don't want to 379 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: believe that sort of thing, but feel that they have 380 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,719 Speaker 1: somehow run against an inexplicable hair a normal phenomenon. And 381 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: if you're okay with it, Um, As we wrap up today, 382 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: we didn't get to spend as much time as either 383 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: of us would like. But as we wrap up today, 384 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: I think we should ask our listeners what they think. 385 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: Do you guys have any evidence and and right before 386 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: you tell us what you think, I just want to 387 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: remind everybody that science, uh science proper still has a 388 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: lot of questions to answer about the nature of reality, 389 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: about the nature of consciousness, about everything from how our 390 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: brain functions to where you know, how time works. And 391 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: there are a lot of questions still that need to 392 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: be answered in all of these realms. And I would 393 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: say that keeping an open mind to all of this 394 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: stuff is never a bad idea. The only thing is 395 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, again, not trying to preach, but I guess 396 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: this is my soapbox, Ben, And I'm sorry, uh for 397 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: for being on it, but uh just taking a hard 398 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: stance either way, hard, you know, saying okay, all of 399 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: that is just poppy cock. And I'm not going to 400 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: listen to anything that you say from now on because 401 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: you believe in possession. That's that to me, that's a 402 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: really bad stance because again, we don't know everything yet 403 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: and there could be something, there could be some little 404 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: truth in there that we just haven't found yet. Um. 405 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, just keep an open mind and to show 406 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: you to we we don't like to do things without 407 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: also proving something about it. So to let you guys 408 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: know that we are interested in what you have to say. Um. 409 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: Of course, if you haven't seen us responding on YouTube, 410 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: you can expect to see more of us in the future, 411 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: always there. But to just to bring this home, let's 412 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: do a little bit of listener mail right now. All right, 413 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: let's do it. Okay, Matt, it looks like we have 414 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: a lot out of people writing into us about the 415 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: new audio show. So I'm going to, uh, let's randomly 416 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: choose one, pick a number one through thirty three. Wow, 417 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: there's that many. I'm just well, I'm not going to 418 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: tell you my calculations. Let's do uh seventeen, Okay, seventeen. 419 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: This comes from a guy named Steve m and it 420 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: is called long winded praise and suggestions. So I'm gonna 421 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: read part of this, okay, and it is long, so 422 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm lingering part of this. Sorry, Steve, but thank you 423 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: for Ray and Hey, guys, loyal fan here have been 424 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: following your programs since late two thousand and eleven, and 425 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: it very much enjoyed much of what you guys have done. 426 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: I must admit, upon initially discovering your video podcast, I 427 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: wasn't too thrilled by it, having only watched a few episodes. 428 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: I left an unpleasant and rather unfair review on iTunes. 429 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: Most of my gripes had to do with the language 430 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: of the program, referring to more credib both people as 431 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: skeptics labeling others as conspiracy theorists when there's little difference 432 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: in reality. It seems that styles something you'll have drifted 433 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: away from as the show progressed, and for that I'm grateful. 434 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: Today I'm gonna have if you are a listener and 435 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: recommend these programs to anyone who will listen. Hey, wow, 436 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: thanks man, Um, I'm really glad you noticed. That is 437 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: something we've been trying very hard to do, and having 438 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: been listening to your new audio podcast. I also have 439 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: to say, great work. I'm slightly confused by it, though. 440 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: I know you guys catch a lot of flak for 441 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: the length or lack thereof of your programs. So why 442 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: stretch yourself thin with two separate mediums when you could 443 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: just extend one or the other. I'll eat it up regardless. 444 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: It's something I was curious about. It's a fair point. 445 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: It's a it's a fair point. I'd like to respond 446 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: to that one before we continue. Uh, it takes us, 447 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: It takes us more time to make some video. Um, 448 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: ideally we would like to if it if it weren't 449 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: just um, the two of us and a huge community 450 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: of amazing people putting up with our bs, Uh, then 451 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: we would We would love to do longer videos. We 452 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: actually started the audio podcast because it was the most 453 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: efficient way for us to get more information and also 454 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: to get more, um, more of our audience involved, you know. 455 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: And uh, just a note here, it's Steve, Yeah, Steve, 456 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: we are. We're changing up our video schedule a little 457 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: bit and instead of putting out to shorter videos every week, 458 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: new shorter videos, we're actually going to be putting out 459 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: one longer video every week than of the new style. 460 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: And then we'll also have our Digging Deeper series in 461 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: a classic just to give you that information. It should 462 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 1: be starting this coming week after you hear this, and 463 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: we'll have some more surprises on the way of course. UM. Alright, 464 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 1: So Steve goes on also mentions UM nine eleven and 465 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: why we said we did we haven't covered too much 466 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: of that, and that is true, and maybe we can 467 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: do that. Also mentioned the Belgian child prostitution scandal UM, 468 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: which more and more I think we should do an 469 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: audio podcast on UH. And then he's got some suggestions. 470 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read these off to you and to everybody listening. 471 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: Casper Hauser, the feral boy who emerged in the streets 472 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: of Europe claiming to be locked in a basement for 473 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: most of his life, Ancient technology UM. And he named 474 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: some stuff that we haven't done. Damascus steel, the iron 475 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: Pillar of Delhi, the lost city of non Mod that's 476 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: in a N, M, A D. D. For everybody who 477 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: just started checking that out on Google. UM. The sinking 478 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: of three vessels containing thousands of concentration camp survivors by 479 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: British planes in the final days of World War Two. 480 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: I haven't heard of this, and so Steve goes on 481 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: to say, apparently documents related to this won't be declassified 482 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: until maybe we can beat him to the punch. What 483 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: do you think, um, Henry Kissinger and ors Avenue Raznevsky, 484 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: Um and I actually I've read some of their works. 485 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: I read as Netsky's The Grand Chessboard, which I think 486 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: you can I believe it's Grand Chessboard might be great chessboard. 487 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: But check that out if you want. Uh, some of 488 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: the guiding views of American policy, and you can see 489 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: how we're still doing some of that stuff today. Other 490 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: secret societies, specifically the assassins um and the Little Hashish 491 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: rumor mystery cults from antiquity, and one of your favorites, Matt, 492 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: the Zeitgeist movement. That's fascinating to me. Oh, man, zeit guys. 493 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: The whole thing adendum I think was my favorite, where 494 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: they really got into the Venus project. That to me, 495 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: the Venus Project is I hope that's our future. I 496 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: really hope that is the future of humanity. Well, it 497 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: sounds like Steve has given us some astonishing and fascinating suggestions. 498 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: We want to know if you had to pick maybe 499 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: your top three of the things that Steve just listed. 500 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: Let us know which ones you would be most interested in. 501 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: And don't forget to tell us if you have any 502 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: encounters that you think are real life cases of possession, 503 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: or if you think exorcism and or possession is just uh, 504 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: totally non supernatural and it's kind of a just some 505 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: way that cultures look at, you know, mental problems or 506 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: sociological problems. Let us know about that too. We want to, 507 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: if possible, solve exorcism and possession, I mean exorcism. We 508 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: know what exorcism is, we know what it's supposed to be. 509 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: So possession really is going to be our sequel episode? 510 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: What do you think that? Absolutely? And one quick point 511 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: of news here. The host of Ghost Adventures, the TV show, 512 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: recently purchased a home for some crazy price like dollars 513 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: that is allegedly, uh, the home is possessed or is 514 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: in quotes here a gateway to hell, and he's going 515 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: to be living in that house hand investigating it and 516 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: hopefully he'll be putting out some media on it. I 517 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: have to say it's, um, it's not my favorite show, 518 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: but it's it's interesting. I like the bravado. That guy 519 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: comes out of he's just yelling it ghosts. She's come 520 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: at me, ghosts, Yo, ghost come at me. You're talking 521 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: about Zach Baggins. Yes, so that's the Travel Channel's Ghost 522 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: Adventures series. And let's just do a little bit of 523 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: background there. Uh the houses in Gary, Indiana, who was 524 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: formerly home to a lady named LaToya Emmons a M 525 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: M O N s and her three children. They were 526 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: allegedly attacked, uh, possessed by these unexplained demonic forces. What 527 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: makes this case different from other cases is that the 528 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: sheriff yes said uh yeah, said this really is possession 529 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: or demons. Something's going on. I didn't believe it at first, 530 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: but I saw the kid walk up the wall and 531 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: people were I heard strange, deep voices emanating from him. Um, 532 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: but nobody thought to pick up a camera or anything 533 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: and record it. I haven't heard any physical evidence anything. Yeah. 534 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: And I was talking to some of my friends about 535 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: this over the weekend, and the question that one of 536 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: the masks me, which is a very good question, was well, 537 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: he said, Ben, the cynic in me thinks that this 538 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: might all just be viral marketing. And and then I thought, Wow, 539 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: if that is true, the Marcavellian brilliance, you know, just 540 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: the cold calculating nature of that. Um, Zack Beggin's yeah, 541 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 1: we have never done anything like that to my knowledge. 542 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: That's a great idea of put out a local news story. 543 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: Wait awhile then buy a house and yeah, well we'll 544 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: we will see, we'll see what happens. Uh. But it 545 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: sounds like either way we have to return to several 546 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: things in upcoming episodes. In the meantime, Matt, what's the 547 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: best way for people to find us? You can always 548 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: check us out on Facebook. 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