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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, September ninth, twenty twenty, season sixteen, episode
Speaker 1: number nineteen. Welcome to another edition of The Break. For
Speaker 1: the first time in a very long time. We got
Speaker 1: everybody on our crew at the Star at the same time,
Speaker 1: but myself and Dave are here in the SWBC Morgan Studios.
Speaker 1: Nick's upstairs in his office, Amber's upstairs in somebody's office,
Speaker 1: and we got a special guest today. So very welcome
Speaker 1: and very unhappy to welcome Bucky Brooks to the program.
Speaker 1: He'll be joining us as I mentioned you guys on
Speaker 1: Twitter every Wednesday and Thursday. He'll come in and talk
Speaker 1: to us about the opposing team. Welcome to the show, Bucky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we love getting you here because it's gonna give us
Speaker 1: an opportunity to take advantage of your experience. You were
Speaker 1: a player and a scout in the NFL for a
Speaker 1: total of twelve years, and I guess just give before
Speaker 1: we get started out some questions for you. Give our
Speaker 1: listeners a little bit of a background on your career
Speaker 1: and kind of what you've been doing and where you
Speaker 1: are now. Man, it's been a it's been a long journey,
Speaker 1: been a crazy journey. But spend five years in the
Speaker 1: National Football League as a player, bounced around from team
Speaker 1: to team after being the second round pick with the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. Spend time with the Bills, the Packers, the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars, to Ken City Chiefs, and finish with the
Speaker 1: Oath and Raiders. Got a chance to play it for
Speaker 1: a lot of great coaches, saw how the game could
Speaker 1: be won at the highest level. Transition into being a scout.
Speaker 1: Spent three years with the Seattle Seahawks and then moved
Speaker 1: on four years with the Carolina Panthers. While I was
Speaker 1: with the Panthers, we went to Super Bowl thirty eight,
Speaker 1: didn't win it, but we were close enough. And so
Speaker 1: from a team building perspective, have really been around a
Speaker 1: lot of great teams and have seen it done a
Speaker 1: bunch of different ways, and so I've tried to parlay
Speaker 1: those experiences and to being able to kind of scalt
Speaker 1: for the masses with my role at NFL Media, NFL Network,
Speaker 1: and the things that I do with Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 1: Just trying to share what I've learned to kind of
Speaker 1: help people take a start, and to appreciate you taking
Speaker 1: some time with us. We're gonna do it like this
Speaker 1: every Wednesday. We're going to talk about the opposing team's offense,
Speaker 1: and so we would do a round robin. We got
Speaker 1: a lot of questions we're gonna throw at you today
Speaker 1: about the Rams offense, and then tomorrow we'll jump into
Speaker 1: the Rams defense matched up with the Cowboys offense. I'll
Speaker 1: start off first, as you look at this Rams team
Speaker 1: last season offensively, it looked like they took a little
Speaker 1: bit of a step back from what they were the
Speaker 1: year before that. They scored fourteen fewer touchdowns, which is
Speaker 1: a significant number, almost an average of one touchdown per game.
Speaker 1: They were down about seven hundred total yards from what
Speaker 1: they did in two eighteen. What did you see looking
Speaker 1: at them in two eighteen and twenty nineteen. That may
Speaker 1: have been the difference last year. Just to why they
Speaker 1: may have been a little less productive. You know, it's
Speaker 1: funny because Sean McVay was really hailed as an offensive
Speaker 1: wizard the first few seasons in the league for the
Speaker 1: job that he did with the Rams. Offensively, they were explosive,
Speaker 1: they were dynamic, they were exciting to watch, very creative
Speaker 1: in how they went about their business. But Sean mcvagh
Speaker 1: is a disciple of the Shanahans. He wonts the Shanahan system.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of stretch zone run. We're complimented with
Speaker 1: bootleg and complimentary play actions. So what they want to
Speaker 1: do is give the defense the rum look while pulling
Speaker 1: it out and taking shots down to field, and if
Speaker 1: you're not able to contain the run, they pick your
Speaker 1: part with these misdirection passes off of that action. Jared
Speaker 1: Goff is at his best throwing all play action. Last year,
Speaker 1: he wasn't on his game. Some of that was due
Speaker 1: to the offensive line not being able to really build
Speaker 1: a fortress in front of him. Some of that was
Speaker 1: due to what if issues they had with Todd Gurley
Speaker 1: and Sean McVay. They didn't play him the way that
Speaker 1: they played him before, and without the threat of a
Speaker 1: strong running game. It really impacted Jared Goff. And when
Speaker 1: you look at the Rams and you look at Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: he is really a guy that needs to play, actually
Speaker 1: needs everything right around him. When he does that, they win.
Speaker 1: And so the magic number from Jerry Golf if he
Speaker 1: has a passer rating over ninety, he is twenty six
Speaker 1: and two in his career. So when he's efficient and effective,
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams question, you got who's the running back?
Speaker 1: But you know, like so right now they're talking about
Speaker 1: doing a running back by committee. They have Malcolm Brown,
Speaker 1: they have cam Acres. I would put my money on
Speaker 1: cam Acres playing a significant role in this offense. The
Speaker 1: second round pick coming out of Florida State is special.
Speaker 1: He's dynamic with the ball in his hands, can run
Speaker 1: an inside and outside. I can catch the ball particularly
Speaker 1: well in the screen game. If they get him going,
Speaker 1: this offense could look like the offense that we celebrated
Speaker 1: as one of the best offenses that we've seen in
Speaker 1: sometime now. Something that we always used to talk to
Speaker 1: a while is what's the biggest matchup here? What would
Speaker 1: be the main area where the Cowboys should probably focus
Speaker 1: more on these two once their offense and versus defense
Speaker 1: come together, they have to focus on the outside. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the biggest question mark for the Cowboys coming in is
Speaker 1: the secondary. Can there guys on the outside hold up
Speaker 1: where they're facing one of the best one two punches
Speaker 1: at wide receiver and Cooper Cup and Robert Woods they
Speaker 1: were the only due They had ninety plus catches and
Speaker 1: one thousand yards apiece last season. They ranked third in
Speaker 1: receiving yards behind the Cowboys duo. So this is a
Speaker 1: tandem that is dynamic, the explosive, the outstanding route runners.
Speaker 1: So on the perimeter, can the Cowboys hold up and
Speaker 1: prevent diff from having big plays in the passing game?
Speaker 1: That is ultimately where the game. You touched on this
Speaker 1: in your first comment, but I think it merit's going
Speaker 1: back to is the Rams offensive line, because you know,
Speaker 1: last year it felt like a revolving door. I feel
Speaker 1: like Andrew Whitworth was really the only member of that
Speaker 1: group that was available for sixteen games. They didn't address
Speaker 1: it much in the offseason. So my question for you
Speaker 1: is is getting everybody healthy going to be enough for
Speaker 1: them or is that a problem spot? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: certainly a weakness until they show that they fixed the
Speaker 1: problems that plagued them a season ago. Rob Havingstein and
Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth, they'll hold up the edges. And I'll say this,
Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth is in severe decline. He's an older player.
Speaker 1: You're thirty eight years old. You're not supposed to be
Speaker 1: playing on the edge. And so there's a weakness that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys can exploit and the pass for us game interior. Look,
Speaker 1: they're just very very average on the inside. When you
Speaker 1: look at the guys that they have, Note boon blythe Corbett,
Speaker 1: they're okay, but they're not overpowering. And the problem that
Speaker 1: they've had in this system, which really doesn't take a
Speaker 1: five road greatest many that can push people off the ball,
Speaker 1: but you have to work in unison. When they're not
Speaker 1: working in sync, they have a tough time creating the
Speaker 1: push that they need. And so this game will also
Speaker 1: be decided in the trenches. Can they get movement off
Speaker 1: the ball so they can establish the run game. The
Speaker 1: running game is critical to send Jared Goff up to
Speaker 1: be able to go to take you back to what
Speaker 1: you were talking about with Jared Goff. He's a guy
Speaker 1: that seems to have more mixed reviews on him around
Speaker 1: the league with regard to disabilities as a quarterbacks as
Speaker 1: much as anybody. Yeah, I heard you say. It was
Speaker 1: a really interesting stat that when his pass rating is
Speaker 1: over ninety, he's twenty six and two. My question for
Speaker 1: you is what have you seen defenses due to him
Speaker 1: that keep him from that number? Like, what is it
Speaker 1: that can you know? Some quarterbacks are susceptable to pressure,
Speaker 1: some are susceptible to more his own like, what is
Speaker 1: the thing that really really tends to affect him more
Speaker 1: than anything else. The number one thing that you have
Speaker 1: to do when you're play in the rams and Jerry
Speaker 1: Golf is you got to be able to contain the
Speaker 1: running game. Because if you can make the rams pass
Speaker 1: and obvious passing situations where the play action pass is
Speaker 1: not a factor, he is not as great when he
Speaker 1: has to operate on straight drop back passes without the
Speaker 1: deception that lures the linebackers near the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have those open voids at intermediate range ten
Speaker 1: to fifteen yards to hit the digs and the deep
Speaker 1: overs that they like to hit, and so contain the
Speaker 1: running game. You have to find a way to put
Speaker 1: your hands on the wide receivers to disrupt the timing
Speaker 1: of the passing game. For j Golf, he likes to
Speaker 1: throw from a clean pocket. He wants to get to
Speaker 1: the top of his drop, and he wants to let
Speaker 1: the ball go on time. So anything that the defense
Speaker 1: can do to disrupt the timing gets him out of sync.
Speaker 1: And lastly, you have to hit him. Most quarterbacks change
Speaker 1: when they're effected in the pocket, but if you get
Speaker 1: hits on Jed Golf, it disrupts his rhythm. It forces
Speaker 1: him to throw early, and with those early passes under
Speaker 1: durest tips, overthrows, interceptions, those things tend to happen, and
Speaker 1: so stop the running game, disrupt the rhythm of the
Speaker 1: wide receivers, and then you have to get around him.
Speaker 1: You do those three things, he has a tough time
Speaker 1: having a solid game. Bucky, what how have you evaluated
Speaker 1: the ram? I mean, if it's going off the last year,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is going to be a problem that
Speaker 1: all teams have to deal with right now, no preeasy game.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of curious. I assure him last year's state,
Speaker 1: but do you kind of mix in the personnel that
Speaker 1: they've added and go back and look at them, and
Speaker 1: how do you kind of come up with a game
Speaker 1: plan when you have at them? You know, so you
Speaker 1: have to go back and look at last year's tape,
Speaker 1: and last year's tape would be the indicator. Obviously, every
Speaker 1: year teams do self scout, They look at where they
Speaker 1: did well, where they were poor, and they obviously try
Speaker 1: and work directed by those while sprinkling in some new stuff.
Speaker 1: So you understand exactly what their personnel is. You know
Speaker 1: how Jared golf plays, You understand what the weapons are
Speaker 1: on the outside and cup in woods. But then we
Speaker 1: had the opportunity and watching them in hard knocks, and
Speaker 1: even though hard knocks doesn't really give you all twenty
Speaker 1: two perspective, you certainly can kind of see some of
Speaker 1: the things that they're trying to do when you're looking
Speaker 1: at the b role. And so when you put all
Speaker 1: that together and you listen to how Sean McVeigh has
Speaker 1: talked about kind of getting back to the basics, not
Speaker 1: being too cute, getting back to what the essence of
Speaker 1: this offense was. Well, you think about twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: when they've made Super Bowl runs, it's because the running game,
Speaker 1: the complimentary passing game, the explosive plays they want to
Speaker 1: get acted that. So that has to be the expectations. Now.
Speaker 1: Something that we've talked about a lot last year was
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in their struggle when it came to the
Speaker 1: tackling game this offseason. Due to no preseason games, we
Speaker 1: haven't really seen the Cowboys be able to tackle or
Speaker 1: because you know, you don't want to create any kinds
Speaker 1: of injuries prior to the season starting. Do you see
Speaker 1: this and as an area of concern for this defense
Speaker 1: once they get to this first game as far as
Speaker 1: just struggling with the right way to tackle. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a huge concern for everybody, not just
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. When you haven't had the preseason to really
Speaker 1: get live tackling, it makes it difficult. Obviously, we have
Speaker 1: heard about the practices. Some of you guys have seen
Speaker 1: the practices. They've been trying to work on those things,
Speaker 1: simulated drills or whatever. But it's gonna be rough because
Speaker 1: the speed of the game is so different from practice.
Speaker 1: What you hope is that not only can you tackle
Speaker 1: well in open field, but you get enough guys running
Speaker 1: to the ball where if the first guy misses, there
Speaker 1: are two or three other guys to clean it up.
Speaker 1: But yes, it's something that is a concern. They have
Speaker 1: to really be able to make solid open field tackles
Speaker 1: because a missa two leads the explosive plays on a perimeter.
Speaker 1: And obviously, you know our work that we've done together
Speaker 1: has been draft related to this point, I'm the draft guy.
Speaker 1: So it seems like there is a lot of hype
Speaker 1: coming out of this RAMS camp about Van Jefferson, second
Speaker 1: round pick out of Florida. It honestly reminds me a
Speaker 1: lot of Cede Lamb in the sense that you know,
Speaker 1: Robert Woods and Cooper Cup are already there and they're
Speaker 1: not asking Jefferson to do too much. So with that
Speaker 1: in mind, what role do you see him having and
Speaker 1: how successful could he be as a rookie. So they
Speaker 1: have a couple of guys to keep an eye on
Speaker 1: when they go to their four receiver packages. You have
Speaker 1: Josh Reynolds from Texas and m who has come on
Speaker 1: has been a solid number three for them, But then
Speaker 1: Van Jefferson and the reason the excitement over Van Jefferson
Speaker 1: is due to his rail running ability has polished and
Speaker 1: his just pro demeanor. When you think about a son
Speaker 1: of her wide receiver coach Sean Jefferson, who's the wide
Speaker 1: receiver coach for the New York Jets. He comes in
Speaker 1: with all of the tricks of the trade. He has
Speaker 1: it all, and really he matches what they already have
Speaker 1: in Cooper Cup and Robert Woods. Our standing route runners,
Speaker 1: understands how to create separation. Anyone who had a chance
Speaker 1: to watch him at the Senior Bowl saw he consistently
Speaker 1: get open. So Nam, would you add him to the
Speaker 1: mix working against the third dB. Is the third cornerback
Speaker 1: able to handle a route runner? That would be one
Speaker 1: of the challenges that because the FOI let you go, Bucky.
Speaker 1: I have one final question for you. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: these three pass rushers for the Cowboys, Everson Griffith, Tank,
Speaker 1: Lawrence Alden Smith. They remind me a lot of what
Speaker 1: Nick and I tend to do in fantasy football. Like
Speaker 1: you look at our teams and three to five years
Speaker 1: ago they would have been great. Now we don't really know.
Speaker 1: So my question for you is what are you expecting
Speaker 1: from these three pass rushers. I think they all at
Speaker 1: different points in their careers, have been really really great
Speaker 1: pass rushers. What are you expecting at this point? And
Speaker 1: with all of them together as a group, I think
Speaker 1: collectively they could be a dominant unit. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say this, and I'm gonna put ALDA. Smith in the
Speaker 1: wildcard category because he hasn't played in four or five years,
Speaker 1: so we just don't know. But I'm gonna say this,
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin and DeMarcus Lawrence they are a problem. They
Speaker 1: will be a problem. DeMarcus Lawrence didn't have a great
Speaker 1: year by his standards last year, but the talent is there.
Speaker 1: The pass rushing prowess he possesses Everson Griffin will make
Speaker 1: him a better player. And I'm gonna say this, and
Speaker 1: I've said this repeatedly, Everson Griffin is a significant upgrade
Speaker 1: over Robert Quinn. Robert Quid was a little more one
Speaker 1: dimensional a speed rusher. Everson Griffin has it all and
Speaker 1: what I like about him. His repertoire is small, but
Speaker 1: he is masterful. He has an upfield speed rush move
Speaker 1: where he can consistently dipping rip pass blockers, but he
Speaker 1: compliments that with a nasty spin move working on the inside.
Speaker 1: When you add those two moves plus a relentless motor.
Speaker 1: He is going to get ten plus sacks just by
Speaker 1: showing up. Alden Smith is unique in terms of we're
Speaker 1: seeing a guy that has been a dominant edge player
Speaker 1: early in his career come in, balked up and played
Speaker 1: really heavy handed. I think his biggest contributions will not
Speaker 1: be as a pass rusher, but more as a heavy
Speaker 1: handed run stopper on the edge. He may give you
Speaker 1: something in terms of garbage sex, but really he's a
Speaker 1: heavy hand at presence on the edge. But in everything.
Speaker 1: Griffin and DeMarcus Lawrence, I wouldn't be surprised to see
Speaker 1: them Telly twenty five, twenty seven sex collectively because those
Speaker 1: guys are dominant. And if the Cowboys play the way
Speaker 1: that I think they're going to play on offense, where
Speaker 1: they run out score points and they make the opponent
Speaker 1: chase points, meaning they have to pass, it could be
Speaker 1: to the ears of all the Cowboys mans listening, Let's
Speaker 1: hope that that goes from your mouth to God's ears. Hey,
Speaker 1: Bucky Man, we appreciate you joining us. We'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have you on with us. We'll talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the Rams defense match up against the
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense. Thanks for joining us. We're gonna take a
Speaker 1: quick break when we come back. We got a lot
Speaker 1: of things we gotta talk about. We're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about some of the things that Mike McCartney said.
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Speaker 1: we fly back to The Break. Welcome back. We were
Speaker 1: in the second segment of The Break live from the
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage studios at the start, Well, appreciate you
Speaker 1: guys taking some time with us. First segment we had
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks and he broke down the Rams offense versus
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense. Will do the defense tomorrow. But now
Speaker 1: we're gonna move on to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. He had his press conference this morning. He
Speaker 1: did give us an update on Xavier Woods and Cheeto
Speaker 1: Awoozia h Nick give us an update on what he
Speaker 1: said and what's expected of those two guys as far
Speaker 1: as practice and maybe even playing this week. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna give They're gonna give it a go. Chetosa
Speaker 1: get the practice Zavier as well. I think expect Or
Speaker 1: been hearing that all week. Zavi's gonna get a chance
Speaker 1: to go out there, you know. But they're obviously you know,
Speaker 1: they got Brandon car on practice. Why. I think Brandon
Speaker 1: Carr will will get the chance to move up. He's
Speaker 1: going to give them some versatility in both of those
Speaker 1: areas at corner and safety if he can pick up
Speaker 1: the defense in the scheme quickly. But I think I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna we'll see today and then tomorrow how
Speaker 1: they respond on Xavier and Keito. Another thing question that
Speaker 1: I forgot to ask yesterday, but now that Nick brought
Speaker 1: up Brandon Carr again, with guys like that that haven't
Speaker 1: been able to have an off season with the team,
Speaker 1: how long do you guys expect players like that to
Speaker 1: be able to get acclimated and bat and get back
Speaker 1: to that level too. Okay, now we can feel comfortable
Speaker 1: putting that guy on the field in a real game.
Speaker 1: It's a great question that I struggle with the answer,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because common sense says Brandon
Speaker 1: car didn't have a training camp, he didn't have an
Speaker 1: off season, even as a twelve year and it seems
Speaker 1: wild to think that they're gonna put him out there
Speaker 1: seven days after he signs with the team. But if
Speaker 1: anybody could do it, it's probably a twelve year vet um.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Brandon's comfort level as well
Speaker 1: as the coaches comfort level that he can handle it.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like I said, it sounds odd that
Speaker 1: he would be on the field seven days after signing
Speaker 1: with the team. Yeah, I actually think there are two
Speaker 1: things at play there. I mean, one, he's a twelve
Speaker 1: year VET, so from the standpoint of him picking things up,
Speaker 1: I think that that works in his favor. I think
Speaker 1: the flip side of that is he's a twelve year
Speaker 1: VET where his body maybe like I need a little
Speaker 1: bit more time to ramp up right. So again, it
Speaker 1: all is individual. We don't know how his body works.
Speaker 1: And he said he's been working out quite a bit
Speaker 1: during the off season getting his body prepared. You've always
Speaker 1: heard the phrase from players that there's off season training
Speaker 1: and then there's football shape, and maybe it takes him
Speaker 1: a little while to get up to football shape. But
Speaker 1: I don't think they're actually gonna be bringing him in
Speaker 1: to go out there and play, you know, fifty snaps.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a situation where you're gonna come in
Speaker 1: and maybe provide a little support here and there. Or
Speaker 1: he might just be a guy that's active for the
Speaker 1: purposes of if someone should get hurt. So either way,
Speaker 1: I think they're probably feeling like, you know, he probably
Speaker 1: has been able or we'll be able to acclimate himself
Speaker 1: enough to play that kind of role in these first
Speaker 1: few weeks and then we'll see where it all goes
Speaker 1: from there. All right, let's move on to another thing
Speaker 1: that Mike McCarthy brought up that I thought was kind
Speaker 1: of interesting. He mentioned the fact that there were three
Speaker 1: coaches on the Cowboys coaching staff who were with the
Speaker 1: Rams last year, John Fossil, Skip Pete, and Matt Daniels.
Speaker 1: He says he thinks that that could be an advantage
Speaker 1: for them from a personnel standpoint. He made that specific.
Speaker 1: It's more from a personnel standpoint than necessarily a scheme standpoint. Dave,
Speaker 1: what do you think as far as how much you
Speaker 1: think that could help or help the Cowboys from a
Speaker 1: standpoint of their coaches knowing the personnel well with the Rams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that stands to reason, espect honestly,
Speaker 1: the most interesting part to me maybe sounds boring on
Speaker 1: the surface, which is special teams. I mean, John Fossil
Speaker 1: ran that unit for almost a decade. He knows exactly
Speaker 1: not the new players, but he knows they're veterans. He's
Speaker 1: very familiar with their punter, they're long snapper, all of
Speaker 1: their core veterans. I wonder if that gives him a
Speaker 1: leg up in knowing their tendencies and their weaknesses. I
Speaker 1: think you make a mistake thinking that they're going to
Speaker 1: know a ton about scheme because that changes from year
Speaker 1: to year. But these guys should have a really good
Speaker 1: read on the veteran players on that team. I have
Speaker 1: to believe it's going to be an advantage. So if
Speaker 1: it's not schematic, Nick, how much does the Cowboys really
Speaker 1: have an advantage from the standpoint that they haven't shown
Speaker 1: anybody their scheme? If if scheme changes every year and
Speaker 1: most teams are going to come in with a little
Speaker 1: different scheme, does it really help the Cowboys not having
Speaker 1: anything out there in the preseason from a schematic standpoint.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't, I don't. I'm not buying
Speaker 1: that one at all. I know that people the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are counting on that and they're like, you don't know
Speaker 1: what they're going to do. But you know, that also
Speaker 1: means you haven't played it and practiced it. That means
Speaker 1: you haven't put it out there. I mean, yeah, you
Speaker 1: meant it. Might have practiced it, but not against anybody
Speaker 1: that's trying to tackle you and knocked the ball out.
Speaker 1: So I think it's just kind of goes you know
Speaker 1: it's fifty fifty on that. Sure, the Rams aren't going
Speaker 1: to know exactly what they're trying to do, but the
Speaker 1: Cowboys might be kind of rusty and what they're trying.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Cambridge, does this give the Cowboys
Speaker 1: an advantage not having any scheme out there and also
Speaker 1: having coaches from the Rams? And do you think it's
Speaker 1: much to do about nothing? I mean, I do see
Speaker 1: it as an advantage we that we are here and
Speaker 1: we get to see things a little bit more close
Speaker 1: than most people. We don't really have a clear idea either,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure that people from the outside are gonna
Speaker 1: have a much harder time. But then again, that applies
Speaker 1: to much of all the other teams out there in
Speaker 1: the NFL. What I'm really curious and interested about is
Speaker 1: to see what coaching staff is able to adjust better
Speaker 1: during this situation. This is something that we talk forever
Speaker 1: about Jason Garrett, era and their own ability to adjust
Speaker 1: throughout the game and switch things up, And I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm excited. I'm so excited to see the
Speaker 1: way they're able to adjust to whatever the Rams bring
Speaker 1: onto them. And then also one of the things that
Speaker 1: I'm excited about and we've heard players say it. We
Speaker 1: heard Jerry Jones say it is the fact that they're
Speaker 1: supposedly not being as predictable as they've been in previous year.
Speaker 1: So that's really really exciting for everyone that's gonna watch
Speaker 1: be watching. And I think that it is an advantage
Speaker 1: to just not know what's gonna happen. You just go
Speaker 1: out there and let the best team ever preparing the best.
Speaker 1: All right, So we're gonna move on to a topic
Speaker 1: that that kind of follows from that not knowing what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. The Cowboys yesterday release their unofficial depth chart.
Speaker 1: Every team in the league has to. The league requires
Speaker 1: them to release that. It is an unofficial depth chart,
Speaker 1: and so I don't want us to get to bob
Speaker 1: down in the you know, whether it's right or wrong.
Speaker 1: I do think there were some interesting things on it
Speaker 1: that can lead to some interesting conversations, and so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw a few things on you at you guys
Speaker 1: that I noticed in that official depth chart, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about what that could mean
Speaker 1: or where we could see some differences from what's on
Speaker 1: the depth chart as to what Cowboys fans can expect
Speaker 1: to see on the game Sunday night. So let's start
Speaker 1: first with your Ryvon Diggs. He was listed as a
Speaker 1: starter at cornerback. That was the thing actually that jumped
Speaker 1: out to me immediately as the most interesting thing based
Speaker 1: on what you guys have been able to observe in
Speaker 1: the training camp practices, do you think trader Onon Diggs
Speaker 1: is ready to be a starter in the NFL. Let's
Speaker 1: start first with you, Dave. For the record, I think
Speaker 1: a big part of it is that Cheeto a Woozia
Speaker 1: hasn't practiced in two weeks, so as of right now,
Speaker 1: they don't know if he'll be available. And on top
Speaker 1: of that, why would they admit that he's available. But
Speaker 1: I have to admit, and I was a guy I
Speaker 1: leaned toward veteran experience in every training camp battle. I
Speaker 1: really didn't think very many rookies we're gonna have sas
Speaker 1: crack in the starting depth chart. But I do think
Speaker 1: Trey Von Diggs can probably handle it. And that's not
Speaker 1: to say he's gonna be Jalen Ramsey from day one,
Speaker 1: but he has looked really impressive. He's I mean, he's
Speaker 1: going against Lamb Cooper and Gallup like he's going against
Speaker 1: one of the best receiver corps and he has looked
Speaker 1: up to it. So if that's that's what happens, I
Speaker 1: can totally buy that that he's up to it. Amber
Speaker 1: do you know this year is it's very interesting to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much being having like the name starter,
Speaker 1: like how big of a deal that is in certain positions,
Speaker 1: just because we've seen it in previous year, how you
Speaker 1: could start a game, start for the first few plays
Speaker 1: and at any given moment just switch it out and
Speaker 1: bring another player in. How much of irritation is there
Speaker 1: gonna be at these kinds of positions, especially in the secondary.
Speaker 1: So I don't I'm not trying to get too crazy
Speaker 1: about the term starter. I just see it more as Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the guy that's going to open the game,
Speaker 1: and then we'll see how the game goes, and they
Speaker 1: have the ability to just rotate so many guys and
Speaker 1: then get a good field who is really performing at
Speaker 1: the best so that for later the upcoming games then
Speaker 1: they get more playing thick. I think it's significant. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know I was told that, Yeah, Chito didn't play
Speaker 1: much but Tyrence Smith didn't play a lot either, and
Speaker 1: he's playing at left tackle. He's still the guy at
Speaker 1: left tackle, so you know, they didn't change that out,
Speaker 1: and obviously that would have been, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: a bold move there, but you know it, maybe there's
Speaker 1: some there definitely is some strategy going on here between
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. All you have to do is count how
Speaker 1: many offensive guys are on the depth goal and then
Speaker 1: you know what they're They're just trying to hide everything.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, hey, hey, Trey Von Diggs is starting attack him,
Speaker 1: attack him, you know, telling the Rams to kind of
Speaker 1: to go after him. And maybe he only plays nickel
Speaker 1: or diamond. Who knows if there's a way to not
Speaker 1: throw their hand. Mike McCarthy's doing it. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's good at poker, but I bet you he
Speaker 1: thinks he is. Yeah, I bet he thinks he's good
Speaker 1: at poker. It's interesting. It's interesting that they didn't put
Speaker 1: They only put ten offensive players are positions on there,
Speaker 1: and I think obviously the game has been shipped there
Speaker 1: is you don't know if they're gonna start out with
Speaker 1: an extra tight end, an extra wide receiver or a fullback,
Speaker 1: like they didn't put it on there. They just have
Speaker 1: those other ten starters, and that's just kind of where
Speaker 1: they leave it. Maybe they just don't care and they
Speaker 1: had a PR person fill out the depth chart. Maybe,
Speaker 1: so maybe they let us do it. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of the Yeah, you're trying to break some news here
Speaker 1: on Cowboys Break, did you know? I'm not really just
Speaker 1: saying like they could have had anybody do this, right, Derek,
Speaker 1: did you leave off the eleventh guy? I kind of
Speaker 1: just forgot him. I don't know, it just it kind
Speaker 1: of happens. You know, he's only the first round pick.
Speaker 1: That's fine, all right. Um, here's the next thing. I noticed.
Speaker 1: The offensive tackle position, the right tackle right now, Actually
Speaker 1: they have Terrence Still listed as the swing tackle with
Speaker 1: Lyle out. They have obviously Tyren Smith and Cam Irving
Speaker 1: as the two starters. In the event that one of
Speaker 1: those two guys goes down. Do you think Terrence Still
Speaker 1: is the guy that actually goes in? Is it Brandon
Speaker 1: Knight who right now they're listening as the backup guard?
Speaker 1: Do you think that if he went out, if one
Speaker 1: those two guys went out, they actually consider the possibility
Speaker 1: of taking Connor Williams moving him out the tackle and
Speaker 1: throwing Brandon Knight or Connor McGovern into that guard spot. Nick,
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I'm pretty confident.
Speaker 1: But correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: seen Connor Williams play a snap of tackle in his
Speaker 1: pro career, let alone at this training camp. Yeah, is that?
Speaker 1: Do you agree? I have? I haven't seen it since
Speaker 1: the university. Yea. If anything, thank you well. If anything,
Speaker 1: he's played more center I think than he has tackle.
Speaker 1: I think, um and and that's and that's barely any
Speaker 1: at all. I think the Connor Williams playing on the
Speaker 1: out side narrative is dead. It's just a media narrative.
Speaker 1: It's well, I mean, I think it might have been
Speaker 1: a thing at one point, but then you signed a
Speaker 1: veteran swing tackle, you draft a center, you're just kind
Speaker 1: of like, all right, we're gonna give this guy a
Speaker 1: shot to stay where he was. I don't think that's happening.
Speaker 1: I am interested about Brandon Knight being listed as a
Speaker 1: guard because I know he played some garden training camp.
Speaker 1: He's moved around a little bit, but he's also played
Speaker 1: a lot of tackle, and he's looked better doing it
Speaker 1: than Terrence Steele. I mean no offense to Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: because he was going against the Marcus Lawrence and Alden Smith,
Speaker 1: but he looked out of his depth. So hey, wait,
Speaker 1: what's up? If if Terrence Steele is out there, I
Speaker 1: can tell you who that eleventh guy is gonna be.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Blake Bell and he's gonna be right
Speaker 1: next to him the other game. Like that's those those
Speaker 1: are gonna be the eleventh starting lineup. I have to
Speaker 1: believe Night is the next guy up at tackle, even
Speaker 1: if he's not listed that way. All right too, m
Speaker 1: let's go and take our final break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we're going to finish up some of these things that
Speaker 1: were on the unofficial depth chart that we thought were interested.
Speaker 1: We're also gonna get some questions. Amber's got some questions
Speaker 1: for us from you guys when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: So it feels good to be moving things or moving
Speaker 1: the season. Starting tomorrow night, they're actually gonna be playing
Speaker 1: a real game in the NFL. I cannot wait. She'd
Speaker 1: be very very interesting this season, and hopefully everything keeps
Speaker 1: going on a good path to where we can actually
Speaker 1: get through the season and into the playoffs and Cowboys
Speaker 1: can do something all right, So let's jump back in
Speaker 1: the unofficial depth chart. Another thing that popped out to
Speaker 1: me was Tony Pollard is listed as the primary punt returner,
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson listed as the primary kick returner. Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: not the primary returner on either of those units. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts about that, because I think we, or
Speaker 1: at least I'll speak for myself, I was actually excited
Speaker 1: about the possibility of Ceedee Lamb being the primary returner,
Speaker 1: either on kicks or punts. Let's start first with you, Nick, Well,
Speaker 1: you know this is more gamesmanship of what's happening. You know,
Speaker 1: for years they had different punt returners when you know,
Speaker 1: Dion Sanders was the guy when you really wanted a
Speaker 1: big return, but Kevin Williams was back there, you know,
Speaker 1: or Kelvin Martin or somebody like that. So I think,
Speaker 1: you know, you have a safe returner. You have a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna go catch the ball, faircatch and all that.
Speaker 1: That maybe is Tony Pollard, but I guarantee you if
Speaker 1: there's a pun or standing in his end zone and
Speaker 1: he's trying to, you know, get the ball and trying
Speaker 1: to get as much field positioned as possible. You know,
Speaker 1: I would imagine Ceedee Lamb's out there, but let's not
Speaker 1: act like having Tony Pollard in the open field would
Speaker 1: be bad either. I mean, just catch the ball and
Speaker 1: go north. That's it. That's really all all you need
Speaker 1: to do. Amber. I mean, who doesn't want to see
Speaker 1: Ceede Lamb Just give it a go and see how
Speaker 1: he does. But he and Tony Poller, I'm a huge
Speaker 1: fan he. That guy is freaking quick. He's quick with
Speaker 1: his feet, He's able to move around. He's a small guy,
Speaker 1: but he can move, he can cut, make cuts, and
Speaker 1: he's really good with anticipation. So I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: him give it a go. This year is again and
Speaker 1: just see how he does. But hopefully at some point
Speaker 1: in the season we get to see to see see
Speaker 1: the Lamb give it a go as well. I am.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows. I'm one of the people that's in favor
Speaker 1: of Lamb returning punts, but I never expected him to
Speaker 1: be the exclusive punt returner. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: smart to send him back there six times a game.
Speaker 1: You know, what's that eighty times a season or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, like Nick said, if you've got a
Speaker 1: chance to field a punt near midfield, or if it's
Speaker 1: a late game situation and you need to play, that's
Speaker 1: when I expect to see Lamb. The Pollard thing is
Speaker 1: weird because I've never seen him field a punt in
Speaker 1: my life. I don't think he ever has. He's the
Speaker 1: kick guy, so I think that's an outright lie, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I would expect it's gonna be
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson. Maybe you might see Treyvon Diggs back there,
Speaker 1: and then Pollard's your kick returner. I would be pretty
Speaker 1: surprised if Tony's fielding punts on Sunday. I will say this,
Speaker 1: It did pique my curiosity though, because, like as you
Speaker 1: guys are saying, Tony Pollard is a really really quick guy.
Speaker 1: He has some of those attributes that you think would
Speaker 1: be in a good punt returner, So I kind of
Speaker 1: want to see what it looks like. I do want
Speaker 1: to say, I've said a million times I would love
Speaker 1: for Tony Pollard to rid purn punts. I just haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, which, to be fair, doesn't mean he hasn't
Speaker 1: done it right. There's a lot of stuff we don't see,
Speaker 1: but I'm going with what I've seen, which is not
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, so I'd be pretty surprised to see it.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go ahead and get some questions, am Bro.
Speaker 1: Let's pull up some questions from some of the fans
Speaker 1: out there listening, some questions that you were able to
Speaker 1: get off of Twitter. What do you have? Well, I
Speaker 1: know we're tired talking about this, but it is what
Speaker 1: the fans are still talking about, and that is the
Speaker 1: safety position. Now that the whole Zack Martin's contract and
Speaker 1: the way they're trying to restructure it and all that
Speaker 1: brings up the question could the Cowboys possibly be clearing
Speaker 1: up some money to bring Earl Thomas here and do something?
Speaker 1: So what is the reason behind this whole restructuring Zack Martins?
Speaker 1: You know what I want to do. I want to
Speaker 1: see if I want to see if Chris, our producer,
Speaker 1: can actually get the you know, get something set up
Speaker 1: to where we can just say, hook them horns, like
Speaker 1: every time we bring up the name Earl Thomas, like
Speaker 1: you just hear this loud, hook them horns, and so,
Speaker 1: you know, just it's just what we do as a
Speaker 1: part of our show because we bring them up all
Speaker 1: the time. I think we ought to give a little
Speaker 1: love to Texas, right, we want to go back to
Speaker 1: the days when Texas actually produced big time dbs a
Speaker 1: decade ago. Yeah, he's just riding that high. I so wish,
Speaker 1: I so wish Texas was playing LSU this year. I
Speaker 1: really do me too. It's not gonna happen. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. All right, So what do you guys think?
Speaker 1: What is Earl Thomas still in the mixer? Nick? Do
Speaker 1: you want to? Okay, yack, go ahead. I think he is.
Speaker 1: I mean I think he is until he signs with
Speaker 1: another team, and then when he gets cut by them,
Speaker 1: he'll be in the mix again. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he's in the mix with until the Cowboys, you know,
Speaker 1: really show up the position. I mean, I don't Again,
Speaker 1: it's a good question. I don't know what they're getting
Speaker 1: money for. But I said this yesterday. I think that
Speaker 1: week one, obviously, it makes sense for all teams to
Speaker 1: kind of pass on Earl Thomas because you don't know
Speaker 1: what you're getting there, and you don't want to lock
Speaker 1: yourself into a contract for the entire year. I would
Speaker 1: imagine that the sweepstakes for him ramps up after this week.
Speaker 1: We'll see if somebody gets hurt, you know, injured or
Speaker 1: in the league, and maybe that creates a more leverage
Speaker 1: for him. But why not, I mean, keep it, keep
Speaker 1: it alive. I still think there's something to it. I'll
Speaker 1: say what I said yesterday, which is they're gonna trot
Speaker 1: out Darien Thompson, Donovan Wilson, and Brandon Carr as their
Speaker 1: answer across from Xavier Woods. That's not a guarantee to work.
Speaker 1: So I can't rule out Earl Thomas. Like I said
Speaker 1: about the receivers yesterday, if it's a disaster and they're
Speaker 1: giving up three hundred and fifty yards a game, you
Speaker 1: can't rule it out. But I don't think that's why
Speaker 1: they restructured Zach's contract. They already had cap space. Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas is not going to be nearly as expensive to
Speaker 1: sign as he used to be after what after the
Speaker 1: year that he's had, so I think they could do
Speaker 1: that with the space that they had. I think that
Speaker 1: they know that they are going to have to pay
Speaker 1: a quarterback a lot of money next year. The CAP's
Speaker 1: not guaranteed to grow, so they're making room for it,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean a long term contract that's going
Speaker 1: to be expensive to tag Dak too, So I think
Speaker 1: they just want to make sure they have extra money
Speaker 1: in the bank. I'll just would would you sign but
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas to a two year deal? Would you sign
Speaker 1: him to a two year deal one year? If it's
Speaker 1: a two year deal that allows me to cut him
Speaker 1: after one sure? Like no, I wouldn't give him like
Speaker 1: a two year deal with lots of guarantees. I mean,
Speaker 1: I bet that he's trying to get a one year
Speaker 1: deal and trying to get a one year deal, which
Speaker 1: means and not to a huge pay cut. So you know,
Speaker 1: you may not have a lot of lot Not a
Speaker 1: lot of teams have that kind of cap space. If
Speaker 1: he's trying to do that, yeah, they would probably want
Speaker 1: to do a two year deal, three year deal that
Speaker 1: can can get cut down to one or two. But
Speaker 1: you know, I I would imagine he's trying to get
Speaker 1: a one year deal to get another big payday next
Speaker 1: year and do that. You got to have a decent
Speaker 1: amount of cap space, you know. I will say my
Speaker 1: desires kind of changed at when he first became available.
Speaker 1: I was like, bring him like tech. I want to
Speaker 1: see him on this team. My my role, I think,
Speaker 1: my my my opinion on this has changed a little
Speaker 1: bit to this point. I kind of want to just
Speaker 1: see what they can do with what they have. Like
Speaker 1: I like the idea of some of these young safeties
Speaker 1: that they have, and quite frankly, I love their pass
Speaker 1: rush and I think the pass rush is going to
Speaker 1: help this secondary be pretty good. And so when you
Speaker 1: look at it from that standpoint, that's what we thought about.
Speaker 1: No no no, no no no no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no. I remember back they had they had two
Speaker 1: pass let me finish, let me finish. They had two
Speaker 1: pass rushers last year. This year they got three, and
Speaker 1: they got three. As you heard Bucky say, Everson Griffin
Speaker 1: is an appreciable difference he has. He is he is
Speaker 1: a much better pass rusher than what you had in
Speaker 1: Robert and Robert Griffith was good, but I mean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: m Robert Quinn was good. I said last year, I
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna have he was gonna be your best,
Speaker 1: most productive pass rusher. But even at that, he's not
Speaker 1: as good as Everson Griffin. So you got three pass
Speaker 1: rushers this year that I feel like I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: much better than what you had last year. I don't
Speaker 1: think Tank played his best football last year. I think
Speaker 1: he will be much better this year. All that being said,
Speaker 1: I think that there is a difference between what you
Speaker 1: can expect from the pass rush in two nineteen and
Speaker 1: what you will expect it from it in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Is that enough to maybe hide your secondary? I don't know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I do think it'll be better,
Speaker 1: and if it is better, there is a chance that
Speaker 1: it will be good enough to make your secondary pretty good.
Speaker 1: And if that happens, there's no need to go out
Speaker 1: and take a risk with Earl Thomas. That's the whole point.
Speaker 1: I think you can hidey. Sorry I was I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, first of all, thank you for being a gentleman.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't let me stay first, But that's okay. Second
Speaker 1: of all, here's the thing, here's the problem. It all
Speaker 1: sounds great, it sounds amazing. Yes, we're excited about I
Speaker 1: am excited about it. But I've heard this story before.
Speaker 1: We heard it last year. We heard it after the draft.
Speaker 1: How they spoke about, oh yeah, if our pass rush
Speaker 1: is great, you know that trickles down and that's gonna
Speaker 1: help out the secondary. Didn't didn't really help the secondary.
Speaker 1: We've My point is here, and I'm not saying what
Speaker 1: the players that we have right now are are bad
Speaker 1: or anything. I'm excited about them. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: I've heard this story before and i haven't seen it
Speaker 1: actually happen. So that's where my problem comes in. I've
Speaker 1: just I need to see it actually happened. I'm tired
Speaker 1: of seeing Oh yeah, let me see this young guys.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just need to see vettering guys that are experience,
Speaker 1: that can actually go out there and are proven players. Well,
Speaker 1: what is Brandon Carr? Is He not a proven player? Okay,
Speaker 1: he's a proven pretty good players, right And what we
Speaker 1: know right what we know right now, from what we
Speaker 1: know right now from Earl Thomas is regardless of what
Speaker 1: he can provide for you on the field, he has
Speaker 1: been unreliable as a teammate, right, So you can't say
Speaker 1: he's for sure either. Like what you're gonna get might
Speaker 1: be you might get a great player that can last
Speaker 1: the whole season. You might get a player that completely
Speaker 1: destroys your locker room. All I'm saying is there's no
Speaker 1: point in taking that risk until you know a little
Speaker 1: bit more about what you think you already have. Let
Speaker 1: me clarify, I'm not chomping at the bid to sign
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas. I'm fine seeing what this is. But I
Speaker 1: can't help but think about how many people were okay
Speaker 1: with going into the eighteen season with no real receivers
Speaker 1: and it took seven games to realize that that was
Speaker 1: a mistake. And I think I won't be surprised if
Speaker 1: that's what we wind up. Okay, So let me ask
Speaker 1: you this though, in that instance, you actually took something
Speaker 1: away from your wide receiver position. Do you think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys safety position is worse this year than it was
Speaker 1: last year? I just think the secondary as a whole
Speaker 1: is worse than it is, and you those things have
Speaker 1: to be weighed together, like your safeties are impacted by
Speaker 1: your cornerbacks and how good they are. The Cowboys do
Speaker 1: not have a proven playmaker in their secondary period. That's problem.
Speaker 1: Did they have one last year? I mean byer, he
Speaker 1: was not a playmaker. It was a pretty good cornerback.
Speaker 1: He was not a playmaker. He's a guy that you
Speaker 1: can count on to take away half of the field
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. I don't know if I say
Speaker 1: takeaway half of the field. Okay, he was a pretty
Speaker 1: good corner. Let's just he was a pro. Opponents never
Speaker 1: targeted him ever. Okay, they just didn't do it. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was because they felt like they had better options
Speaker 1: on the other side. Right, Well, yeah, Derek, what happened
Speaker 1: to you? I thought again about this is I'm just
Speaker 1: thinking right now, you look at the safety position, I
Speaker 1: don't I think they're actually better off than they were
Speaker 1: last year. I think having darry and Thompson out there
Speaker 1: with Xavier Woods, to me, is better than what they
Speaker 1: had last year. So I'm okay with the safety position.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to see what they can do
Speaker 1: with this pass rush and if it's fine, if they
Speaker 1: go out there and the Rams put up thirty five
Speaker 1: forty points on them, then okay, let's rehab. Let's have
Speaker 1: this discussion all over again, and let's talk about bringing
Speaker 1: in Earl Thomas. But I just kind of want to
Speaker 1: see if this pass rush makes the secondary better or not,
Speaker 1: because you're right, Dave, they don't have a bunch of
Speaker 1: proven great players in their secondary. I do think their
Speaker 1: pass rush is better and that's always been a football thing. Ever.
Speaker 1: To get to your point when you talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: if you have a good pass rush, I think everybody
Speaker 1: believes if you have a really good pass rush, it
Speaker 1: does help your secondary. Maybe it wasn't enough last year,
Speaker 1: but I do think with those three guys this year,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be different. I think it's gonna be better.
Speaker 1: I wish I had worn sunglasses for this segment, for
Speaker 1: all the sunshine that's coming at me from this direction
Speaker 1: over here. Sunshine, it's very sunshiny. It's just very bright,
Speaker 1: very bright. All I'm saying I want to see. I'm
Speaker 1: saying I want to see. I just want to see. Nick,
Speaker 1: what did you have thoughts on this? The funny part
Speaker 1: is I'm saying the exact same thing Dave just been saying,
Speaker 1: which is, let's wait and see, but go ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting. Honestly, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I personally don't think the Cowboys are gonna do anything.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna wait and see. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of a move point. I'll say it again. I don't
Speaker 1: care if they signed Earl Thomas or not. But as
Speaker 1: we sit here on the cusp of the twenty twenty season.
Speaker 1: Their secondary is not better than I was last year.
Speaker 1: Things about the same. Okay, all right, well, well we'll
Speaker 1: check back in after we finish this game against the Rams,
Speaker 1: and we'll decide what we think after that game. How's
Speaker 1: it all right? St If that sounds good? Awesome? All right,
Speaker 1: we appycate you guys join us. We're back tomorrow again.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have by Bucky Brooks join us. He will
Speaker 1: talk about the Rams defense versus the Cowboys offense. We'll
Speaker 1: also get into some other topics tomorrow and we'll start
Speaker 1: getting you guys ready for Cowboys versus Ram. Till then
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