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Speaker 1: Let's hit the Inside Scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: Trade deadline less than ten days away. Ken, we were

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Speaker 1: just talking about the Dodgers potentially losing Tanner Scott for

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Speaker 1: some time. Their bullpen is taking hits. I know you've

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Speaker 1: written about the Dodgers potentially looking for some bullpen help.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that any of those marquee names will

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Speaker 1: truly be available because you can also talk about how

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Speaker 1: Mason Miller was just mentioned in your notes, Colum, and

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Speaker 1: maybe he can get plucked away from the A's.

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Speaker 2: Those guys are available in the sense that those teams

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Speaker 2: will talk about them. The Guardians will talk about Emmanuel Classe,

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Speaker 2: the Twins will talk about John Durant and Griffin Jackson.

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Speaker 2: The A's will talk, presumably about Mason Miller. The question

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Speaker 2: is the price and what teams are willing to pay. Now,

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Speaker 2: all of those pictures I just mentioned are under club control.

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Speaker 2: Class A is under club control for a number of

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Speaker 2: years at a very affordable price. When I say club

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Speaker 2: control beyond this season, so the price will understandably be

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Speaker 2: higher than they would be for rentals. And there are

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Speaker 2: some rentals available, and I didn't mention David Bednar and

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Speaker 2: Dennis Santana. There are two others. So the supply of

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Speaker 2: relievers at least is better than the supply at any

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Speaker 2: other spot on the fields, much better than the supply

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Speaker 2: of starting pitchers, good hitters all of that. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: Will be able to get a reliever.

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Speaker 2: But if you remember, they built this team trying to

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Speaker 2: avoid overpaying at the deadline, specifically avoid overpaying for relievers.

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Speaker 2: That's why they signed Tanner Scott and Kirby Yates and

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Speaker 2: Blake Tringing for more than one hundred million combined. Now,

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Speaker 2: Evan Phillips is out for the season trying and still

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Speaker 2: is not back. Brisdar Graderol is out and Tanner Scott

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Speaker 2: might be joining them.

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Speaker 3: Big bus to the Dodgers can. But you mentioned Masonmiliar

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Speaker 3: in the athletics. Are they open for business? Are they

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Speaker 3: open for Sevarino seers some of their starters, Because I

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Speaker 3: feel like if they could get those guys out there,

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Speaker 3: they might be able to get a pretty big because

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Speaker 3: there's not a ton of quality starters and these guys

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Speaker 3: have shown at times they could be pretty good.

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Speaker 2: They're totally open for business on Severarinos Sears and Springs. Now,

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Speaker 2: they're not gonna give them away obviously, and each pitcher

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Speaker 2: is a little bit different. Sears is a guy who

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Speaker 2: hasn't had great results this year and even last year,

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Speaker 2: but takes the ball he is every fifth day. That

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Speaker 2: guy is there. Springs is someone who has pitched much

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Speaker 2: better of late, though his last start wasn't quite as

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Speaker 2: good and several. Reno, of course is the guy who

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Speaker 2: at Sutter Health Park is one pitcher and on the

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Speaker 2: road is another. A lot of money still coming to him.

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Speaker 2: So these guys are all different. But can they be

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Speaker 2: discussed in trades? Will they be discussed or the A's

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Speaker 2: drawing interest in them? Yes, yes and yes, so we'll

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Speaker 2: see what happens there. And keep in mind too, with

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Speaker 2: all these situations the A's the Diamondbacks too, when you

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Speaker 2: talk about Gallen and Kelly, these teams do need to

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Speaker 2: get through the season. They can't trade everybody, but I

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Speaker 2: would expect to answer your question, AJ, they'll be open

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Speaker 4: Hey, Ken, how are we doing?

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Speaker 2: Hey keV? How you doing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good, I'm good.

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Speaker 5: Hey.

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Speaker 4: Question for you, what are the Braves gonna do?

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Speaker 3: Not much.

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Speaker 2: And the reason they're not going to do much is

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Speaker 2: they're really open only to trading their players on expiring contracts.

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Speaker 2: Ray sol Iglesias would be one. Marcel Azuna is another,

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Speaker 2: but I can't imagine the demand for him is terribly high,

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Speaker 2: and he does have ten and five rights, so he

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Speaker 2: can veto any trade kind of control the process. When

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Speaker 2: you talk about controllable players, and I see Sean Murphy's

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Speaker 2: name get mentioned a lot. Sean Murphy is really good,

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Speaker 2: and there are teams that need catchers, yes, but if

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Speaker 2: the Braves are going to trade him, and remember this

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Speaker 2: is a team that under alex Anthopolis has always had

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Speaker 2: two strong catchers. They do that all the time. That's

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Speaker 2: it almost certainly would be in the off season when

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Speaker 2: you can open the discussions to more teams or teams

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Speaker 2: they are at the deadline. You have teams that are

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Speaker 2: nine contenders now that could be in play during the offseason.

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Speaker 2: You also have teams that might be more flexible with

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Speaker 2: if it's ever going to take place, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: All right, Let's go a ken to a team used

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Speaker 3: to make baseball come alive. When you cover them, the Orioles,

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Speaker 3: what are they gonna do? Because they're fascinating to me.

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Speaker 3: They're not getting back in the race like everyone thought

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Speaker 3: But the thing I want to know is, ID think

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Speaker 3: Is that the guys who are going to to come

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Speaker 3: you mentioned Sean Murphy, could Adley Rutchman at some point

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, he's on the injured list right now,

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Speaker 2: might not be the piece that we all thought he

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Speaker 2: more years of control left. And as you mentioned, they've

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Speaker 2: got Basalo coming. They drafted those two guys. Only Bodin

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Speaker 3: Got to get him signed.

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Speaker 2: Well, if he's not going to be that much of

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard that. I don't necessarily expect that, but

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Speaker 4: Okay, where do you where do you see the Angels at?

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Speaker 4: I know they have some interesting pieces to Tyler Anderson

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Speaker 2: Kevin, That's a really interesting team, and they're interesting because

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Speaker 2: me that if they're anywhere close that they're going to

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Speaker 1: so I've we had a seller question on a team

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Speaker 2: If you remember, in twenty twenty two, Wan Soto had

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Speaker 2: interim GM Mike de Bartolo. They're going through, obviously some change.

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Speaker 4: That picture the other day.

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Speaker 1: That's Ken Rosenthal at Senior Insider, who does attend clubs

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Speaker 1: once a lifetime and then also attends Fair Territory twice

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Speaker 1: It's not like a fake account. Heyj Then Kevin, you

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Speaker 4: I mean, here's why I get myself in trouble. So

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Speaker 3: Listen as someone that lives their life in trouble, KP.

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Speaker 3: You get used to it after a while. Trust me,

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Speaker 3: Who answers? Who called him Rob? Manfred? Did Rob? Did

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Speaker 3: Was he? I don't know. I always liked the Gordon.

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Speaker 4: there is, I'm subscribing to hear the rest of the.

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Speaker 1: Story, no doubt. I would love to get him on

435
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Speaker 1: a should send texts.

436
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Speaker 3: I've never won a batting title. It's because MLB called

437
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 3: and threatened my family. If I did, that was that

438
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Speaker 3: was why.

439
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Speaker 1: That was why I knew it.

440
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Speaker 4: I knew it.

441
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Speaker 3: It wasn't that I just didn't do it. I wasn't

442
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Speaker 3: good enough. It was just, you know, I don't know.

443
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, I didn't win the whole run

444
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Speaker 3: title ever because I don't know, they threatened my kids.

445
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 3: Come on, like, I don't know, I just don't know it.

446
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 3: It's just it just seems like sometimes things seem so

447
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 3: bizarre that they're really true. So I don't know, but like, gosh,

448
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 3: that's what KP said, Like I now, I want now,

449
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 3: I want to get a hold of d and like

450
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Speaker 3: try to actually get the rest of the story because

451
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Speaker 3: I'm intrigued by this because when he said it and

452
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Speaker 3: I watched it, I was like, is he joking? Is

453
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 3: he being sarcastic? But then he like dug in a

454
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Speaker 3: little bit, So I don't know. We're gonna have to

455
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Speaker 3: make some calls and see what can get on. Come

456
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Speaker 3: on here and try to finish the story off for us.

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Speaker 1: Yes, please, I would love to chat with him more

458
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Speaker 1: about this. He has definitely been pretty remote since he

459
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Speaker 1: stepped down from his playing days. But that is a wild,

460
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Speaker 1: wild story to tell.

461
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Speaker 3: Have you guys buy that? Also, I want to say this,

462
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Speaker 3: and we talked about this before the show. The argument

463
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Speaker 3: with Dee Gordon steroids is always like, he doesn't look

464
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Speaker 3: like he did steroids, right, But that doesn't matter. It

465
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Speaker 3: wasn't about like getting bulky. I mean, yes, now there

466
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Speaker 3: were times where certain guys wanted to get huge and

467
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Speaker 3: bulky and strong, but Bartolo Coloone got pop for steroids.

468
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Speaker 3: He didn't look like he was on steroids either, right.

469
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Speaker 3: I mean people would look at him to even on steroids,

470
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Speaker 3: but that helped them throw one hundred miles an hour

471
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Speaker 3: his whole career. So you just never know. There's different

472
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Speaker 3: types of steroids. Some are for recovery, some are for

473
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Speaker 3: this or for that. So I'm not saying Dee Gordon

474
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Speaker 3: did steroids or didn't steroids. I know he tested positive

475
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Speaker 3: for steroids. That's pretty good indication you did them. But

476
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying like, just because that's always the excuse me,

477
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Speaker 3: he doesn't even I think he says it enough like

478
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Speaker 3: I don't look like I did steroids, but that's that

479
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter. I played with guys I know did steroids.

480
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Speaker 3: Any look like they did steroids, but they did them. Yeah.

481
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Speaker 4: I mean the other part too, is you and I

482
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Speaker 4: both know who's You know, we've taken many, many, many

483
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Speaker 4: drug tests in our life, you know, being a professional

484
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Speaker 4: baseball player, you know, you pee in the cup, they

485
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 4: put sample a sample b you know, you sign off everything.

486
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 4: You know there's a seal on it. Who really knows

487
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Speaker 4: what happens once they're shipped off. I mean, I'd like

488
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Speaker 4: to think that there's a lot of integrity and the

489
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Speaker 4: people that are doing the drug test, but it is

490
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Speaker 4: not out of the realm of possibility that if this

491
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Speaker 4: story is true, that they could contaminate his drug test,

492
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Speaker 4: his urine sample. I mean, you know, once it's once

493
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Speaker 4: you do it and you put it in that box

494
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Speaker 4: and you sign your paperwork or sign that iPad, it's

495
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 4: kind of out of sight, out of mind.

496
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Speaker 3: And by the way, let me just say this also,

497
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Speaker 3: you mentioned that about all that. But if this was me, okay,

498
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Speaker 3: and I know that I had never done anything, I

499
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: would have been talking about this when it happened. I

500
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Speaker 3: would have been suing people. I mean, I would have

501
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: come out of the woodwork after this, right, So to

502
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 3: come out ten years later, that's why this is so interesting,

503
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 3: weird timing, whatever you want to say, But I know this, KP.

504
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: If I was a player and I was told I

505
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Speaker 3: did staroids and I knew that I hadn't done anything,

506
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Speaker 3: then I mean, I'm going on the offensive. I'm hiring lawyers,

507
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: I'm suing the testing company, I'm suing MB. I mean,

508
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Speaker 3: I'm doing whatever I can to keep my reputation that

509
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Speaker 3: I didn't do Stuarts. If I knew deep down, not

510
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Speaker 3: ten years later coming out, I'm saying, oh man, they

511
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Speaker 3: got me because I won the batting title. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: To that point, I do have a former teammate, a

513
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Speaker 4: friend of mine that did test positive around that same time,

514
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Speaker 4: and he's still fighting it till this day. I mean,

515
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Speaker 4: that's how important he is. You know, he fought it,

516
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 4: you know when it happened, and I think it was

517
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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, and he's still continuing to fight it today

518
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 4: because you know, his reputation as a player, his name

519
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 4: was destroyed by that positive test. And I know the

520
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 4: kind of the behind the scenes details of what's going on.

521
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Speaker 4: And to your point, if if you knew deep down

522
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Speaker 4: inside at your core that I did everything right and

523
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Speaker 4: I didn't you know, take any steroids, you would be

524
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Speaker 4: fighting it and it would be public knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the guy you're talking about has

526
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Speaker 1: talked about it publicly, not anytime recently, but I think

527
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Speaker 1: I can say the name because I mean, yeah, I

528
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Speaker 1: remember when all of that went down, Chris Colobello.

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Speaker 3: Right, mm hmm, absolutely, yeah, I.

530
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Speaker 1: Remember all that, and he's still pushing that. I think

531
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Speaker 1: at some point, because there's stuff going on behind the scenes,

532
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Speaker 1: we'll be able to talk to him more publicly about

533
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Speaker 1: what's going on with that story. So let's finish with this.

534
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard anything close to this wild story wise?

535
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: Obviously you don't have to name names if that's going

536
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Speaker 1: to help, but whether it's on this topic or anything

537
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: else like conspiracy theories in baseball, I mean your sure

538
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: off the field, KP. Is there anything ever that guys

539
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: throw around where they're like, oh, I'll never get out,

540
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: but this is crazy. And again, it doesn't have to

541
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Speaker 1: be names that that's going to help to conceal. But

542
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: this one really stood out when we all saw were

543
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Speaker 1: like WHOA.

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Speaker 4: I mean like like I said, I think, you know,

545
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Speaker 4: a lot of these things are considered conspiracy until they

546
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Speaker 4: are actually proven. And yeah, I mean what came to

547
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 4: mind is because they did the documentary on it, but

548
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 4: you know, the NBA reps kind of betting on the game.

549
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Speaker 4: That's something probably players talked about in the locker room, like, man,

550
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Speaker 4: this ref is terrible. I wonder if he has money

551
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 4: on the game. You're like, no way, that's a conspiracy.

552
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Speaker 4: There's no way they'd ever do it. And then many

553
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Speaker 4: years later it comes out that they were betting on

554
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Speaker 4: games and you know, shaving points and you know, giving

555
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Speaker 4: free throw advantages to certain teams. So, I mean, that's

556
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Speaker 4: the closest thing I could think of right now.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. That's Tim donaghy, all right. So

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Speaker 1: we'll try to get the strange cordon on Incent she's

559
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: been sent. That's the best that we can do. We

560
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: send out texts, we see if they'll come on to

561
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: talk it out and tell their side of the story.

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Speaker 1: I know he did already, but to get deeper into

563
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Speaker 1: the detail because there are a lot of people right now,

564
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: some that believe him, some that don't. The ones that don't,

565
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Speaker 1: I'd say a good portion of them have more questions

566
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Speaker 1: and if it is really true, you want to say

567
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: it with your chest, then just give more details on it.

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Speaker 3: He's a nice guy.

569
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Speaker 1: I've interviewed him many times during his playing days, so

570
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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 3: He was one of my son's favorite that he met

572
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Speaker 3: my son. He was awesome to my son. He's from

573
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Speaker 3: the Orlando area, so my son. When my son was

574
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: on the field, he was always one of his favorites.

575
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Speaker 3: On this happen, my son's like, Dad, what what you know?

576
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Speaker 3: My son was like nine years old. He's like dad, what,

577
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Speaker 3: no way? He was like, I don't know, Austin.

578
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Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, well maybe to be continued.

579
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Speaker 3: I agree.

580
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Speaker 1: Super nice guy, always very available, quiet and shy when

581
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Speaker 1: he was playing, but more outspoken down

582
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Speaker 3: So we'll see