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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlie.

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Speaker 2: This is All Ball season two. No, it's not the

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Speaker 2: second year we've done all Ball. We've been doing All

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Speaker 2: Ball since woh twenty eighteen, right, but this is the

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Speaker 2: second season of me as a head men's basketball coach.

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Speaker 2: We are going to do a special All Ball because tonight,

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Speaker 2: at the time of this recording, we play Kansas and

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Speaker 2: college basketball season has already begun watching Winthrop get the

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Speaker 2: first win of the season against Queen's University. Part of

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Speaker 2: that field of sixty eight twenty four hours of hoops,

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Speaker 2: which I just love and I think there's a world

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Speaker 2: in which we play in it next year.

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Speaker 1: So part of this version of it.

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Speaker 2: Brandon Goebel, who is from those of you know, owns

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Speaker 2: and runs juco Advocate as well as so many of

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Speaker 2: these junior college events. He's joined us on previous podcasts.

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Speaker 2: His business part, Matt Clark tragically passed away from cancer

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Speaker 2: just this past week, and I wanted Brandon to come

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Speaker 2: on and share with the basketball community who Matt was,

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Speaker 2: why he was so important to Brandon, and by proxy,

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Speaker 2: why he becomes so important to be an advocate.

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Speaker 1: For players, and if you know me, or know my family.

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Speaker 2: That's what it's been about since my dad started travel

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Speaker 2: basketball back in the eighties in Orange County, California, trying

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Speaker 2: to grant people access to this incredible experience of playing

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Speaker 2: college basketball, hopefully on scholarship. Now you're collecting in IL money.

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Speaker 2: I do want to give you a couple of thoughts.

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Speaker 2: So tonight we play Kansas, and you know, I think

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Speaker 2: all of these great coaches have different things that make

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Speaker 2: them unique and special. I think that Rick Bettino is

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Speaker 2: probably the model in terms of how to completely He's

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Speaker 2: the dynamic of a program. He's a forced multiplier, but

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Speaker 2: and I think he has great feel in substitution. I

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Speaker 2: do think that Bill Self and Rick Patino I view

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Speaker 2: as the greatest coach of the modern era of basketball

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Speaker 2: because of his ability to change the trajectory of providence

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Speaker 2: of the Knicks of Kentucky, of Louisville, and he was

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Speaker 1: Obviously you know they couldn't turn the corner.

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Speaker 2: And now what he's doing at Saint John's it's absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 2: But I think that Bill Self is in any conversation

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Speaker 2: as the greatest coach in the modern era. I view

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Speaker 2: him as a guy who hits all of the different

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Speaker 2: check marks. He develops players, he's a good evaluator. His

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Speaker 2: teams play with discipline, yet they don't play scared or tight.

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Speaker 1: And he's a.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic xceno coach, fantastic in game adjustment wise, pre game

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Speaker 1: That being said, now we got.

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Speaker 2: To play against him. So you got to play against

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Speaker 2: fifteen three hundred people. You've got to play with ten

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Speaker 2: new players, none of them have played Division in basketball,

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Speaker 2: and you're playing against fifteen three hundred plus an unbelievably

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Speaker 2: in an incredible environment. For my money, it's the Lambeau

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Speaker 1: What do I mean by that? I mean it's like

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been to Cameron. I like Cameron.

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Speaker 1: About college basketball. So you tell your team, well, here's

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Speaker 2: Right. We have players who probably aren't ready for tonight,

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Speaker 2: right that they just they've they've had water wings on,

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Speaker 1: But this is a really, really deep end we're throwing

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Speaker 2: And then there are guys, which especially my returners, who

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Speaker 1: Well, here's what it is.

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Speaker 2: The first thing is I want them to imagine themselves

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Speaker 2: But if it's a hard cut for a dunk, yes,

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Speaker 2: But that's our advantage is that there isn't a guy

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Speaker 2: but he can do it. But none of them respect

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Speaker 1: The other thing is we still want.

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Speaker 2: grind and they're no doubt more talented than us. They

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Speaker 1: To make them. So.

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Speaker 2: The challenge to my group is to stay together. The

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Speaker 2: The challenge to our group is to play at a

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Speaker 1: The pressure's on them, not on us. We have no

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Speaker 2: Just go out play, be us, have fun, compete, try

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Speaker 2: it'll be the greatest story in sports.

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Speaker 1: For a day.

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Speaker 2: When you win this game. It will be the greatest

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Speaker 1: Everybody would talk about it, guarantee it.

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you, right, So that's what's out there for you.

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Speaker 2: That's what we'll tell our players. That's what'll motivate them

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Speaker 2: to win. And understand, it's not about one shot or

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Speaker 2: That's how you win here, that's how you win your

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Speaker 2: a more consecutive path of all ball podcasts. You'll start

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Speaker 2: to know my team, You start to know my coaches,

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Speaker 2: Matt passed on Friday. Okay, So it's a little fresh,

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Speaker 2: But here's Brandon Goebel, owner propriety of Jewic Advocate, and

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Speaker 2: we're discussing the recent passing of his business partner and

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Speaker 2: dear friend, Mat Clark.

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Speaker 2: I set the story up a little bit, but obviously

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Speaker 2: the tragic news of Matt's passing.

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Speaker 3: I know it's hit you.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, you guys are more than just business partners. When

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Speaker 4: We got introduced through another guy that was wanting to

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Speaker 2: So take me through, Like, okay, get you got introduced by.

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Speaker 4: Who a guy named Chris Andrews who runs the sports

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Speaker 5: I can do all this sort of stuff, but you.

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Speaker 4: that led them to a path that you know what,

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00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 4: wouldn't have existed without it, right, And so you know

443
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 4: when we were talking yesterday, he he definitely felt that,

444
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 4: you know, that sense of accomplishment.

445
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 5: In being able to help and and what it what

446
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 5: it did.

447
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: When did you find out he was sick?

448
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 4: So this is this has been a whirlwind. About a

449
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 4: month ago he left a meeting and said, I just

450
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 4: I don't feel good.

451
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: Well, And for just one second for people listening to

452
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: the pod. So a month ago was your Oklahoma event, right,

453
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: and your Oklahoma event?

454
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: You have several events.

455
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 2: It's my that one's my favorite, uh one. I love

456
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: the Trey Young Center. Obviously it's an excuse to get

457
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: to Oklahoma. But I think in terms of location for

458
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: junior college basketball, you're able to pull the Jayhawk Conference.

459
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: You're able to get the Oklahoma Jucos and then get

460
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: the Texas Jucos and then a couple others as well,

461
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: and so it is. I mean, it is an unbelievable event.

462
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: Especially I loved how you guys did it. Were those

463
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 2: first two courts and I mean like you're like, oh

464
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: my gosh, there's so many players on these two courts.

465
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 3: Unbelievable.

466
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: There were players on the other course, but those two

467
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: were just like it was like all star teams.

468
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: It was, there's stud teams. Anyway, was this.

469
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: Before or after that event?

470
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 5: I think it was.

471
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 4: It had to have been right before because we were

472
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 4: we were having kind of a last meeting that I

473
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 4: was going to be available for for a while because

474
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 4: I had so many events coming up. And uh and

475
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 4: so he he left that meeting and just said, you know,

476
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 4: I don't I don't feel good, and uh, you know,

477
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 4: I said, okay, you know whatever.

478
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 5: So I'm running the events.

479
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 4: And and uh, you know, we get an email from

480
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 4: him that says, you know, hey, Doc thinks stress and

481
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 4: you know, everything else seems like it's a bleeding ulcer,

482
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 4: and so.

483
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 5: I gotta I gotta get that figured out.

484
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 4: Okay, great, Yeah, we're we're all doing our thing, and

485
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 4: and you know, not really thinking a lot of it.

486
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 4: And then about two weeks after that, you know, things

487
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 4: had got and worse, and you know, he wasn't we

488
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 4: weren't really talking about it a lot, right, But he

489
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 4: sent another update through that said, hey, you know, I'm

490
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 4: things are worse. You know, they think there's some kind

491
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 4: of liver damage, but not sure what. And and again

492
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 4: it was all right, you know, let us know you

493
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 4: need anything. And then and then not too long after that,

494
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 4: and I'll always feel terrible for this, but you know,

495
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 4: I was so busy running the events that during the

496
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 4: Colorado event, he had sent an email saying, hey, you know,

497
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: the doctors figured out that it's it's colon and liver cancer,

498
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: and you know, they're hoping that they caught it early

499
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 4: because Matt, Matt was up to date on his you know,

500
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 4: getting check ups and all that sort of stuff. You know,

501
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 4: he's a few years older than me, he's forty seven,

502
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 4: forty eight, and and so he had been getting checked

503
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 4: in things and everything was good. And so I didn't

504
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 4: see that email for six days because I was I

505
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 4: was just up to my eyeballs and stuff. And so

506
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: you know that I finally finished and I checked my

507
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 4: email and I'm like, oh my god.

508
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 5: And so you know, I got a hold of him, and.

509
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 4: It very quickly went from like, hey, we hope we

510
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 4: caught it early too. You know, we got a text

511
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 4: from him that said, you know, basically that that that's terminal.

512
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: You know, I've got weeks to maybe a couple of months,

513
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 4: you know, and and.

514
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 5: He, you know, he said it was. It was.

515
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 4: It was such a weird thing because we hadn't been

516
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 4: talking about it, we hadn't really been in communication, and

517
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: at that point things had happened so fast, and he

518
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 4: already said like, hey, like I know this is this

519
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 4: is what it is, and like like it's fine, Like

520
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: I'm I'm good with it, you know. And so I

521
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 4: I really didn't get to talk to him. You know,

522
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 4: we would text a little bit, but you know, it

523
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 4: went downhill so fast. He was already in the hospital

524
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, they were trying to figure out

525
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 4: if there was anything they could do. And so I

526
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 4: got ahold of his wife, and you know, talked to

527
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 4: her and she basically said, look, you know, right now

528
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 4: the goal is to try and get him home.

529
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 5: So that he can hospice at home and uh.

530
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 4: And so my plan was to go out there next

531
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 4: week ended next week and and go spend some time

532
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 4: with him and stuff, because at the time we still thought,

533
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 4: you know, a few weeks, a couple of months maybe.

534
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: And then she called me, uh, Thursday night and said, hey,

535
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 4: you know it's it's it's days and you know, I

536
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 4: don't know if we're going to be able to get

537
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 4: him home. And so I flew out yes day morning

538
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 4: and got in and just went straight to the hospital.

539
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 4: She said, hey, home's not happening, you know, just come

540
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: to the hospital. And so she had just left to

541
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 4: take the kids home. She she'd brought the kids. They

542
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 4: said they're goodbyes and h.

543
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 5: M hm.

544
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 4: So I got to talk to him for about thirty

545
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 4: minutes and and then things kind of started going downhill.

546
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 4: His wife came back and uh, and so we just

547
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 4: spent the next four hours with him. It's about four

548
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 4: hours as things really kind of started to go through.

549
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 5: Their process and uh, and then he passed away yesterday evening.

550
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: All right, lest your friend.

551
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: And it was a good one that thirty minutes was

552
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 4: it was something. You know, he was lucid and able

553
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 4: to talk. You know, it was tough. She was having

554
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 4: a hard time breathing, but but we were able to talk.

555
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 5: And you know, get it.

556
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 4: I told him about kind of everybody, you know, rallying

557
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: to help and and so he got to hear about that,

558
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 4: and his stupid ass asked if if they had gotten

559
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: the charts moved over last the night before.

560
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, they heard this year for this year. Yeah, yeah,

561
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 5: so the charts are moved over. So I said, yeah,

562
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 5: we're good. We're good.

563
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 4: Uh, John and Andrew and Michael and Nathan took care

564
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: of that.

565
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 5: So so we're good there. And he's like, okay, good.

566
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: The thing about podcasts, which are great, is they last forever.

567
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: This is not going away. Yeah what when his kids get.

568
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 5: Well?

569
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: Then you know about his dad?

570
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 4: Oh man, like, you know, just an unbelievably loving person

571
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: that was funny as hell, uh in in in like

572
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: the driest, weirdest ways possible. You know, the way that

573
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 4: he would say something, or the the joke that he

574
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 4: would make. I mean, he he every Friday night and

575
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: this is this is not I'm not exaggerating. Every Friday

576
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: night he would watch uh, Paul Blart, Mall Cop, the

577
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 4: Kevin James movie. I don't I don't know why. It's

578
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 4: a you know, and and and Mara, his wife, doesn't

579
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 4: know why. But every Friday night he would order pizza

580
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 4: and he'd watch this movie. And so when I got

581
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 4: to the hospital, he's laying in the bed there and

582
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: he's got a Paul Blart T shirt on. And I said, Matt,

583
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 4: what the hell is with the T shirt? And he said,

584
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 4: it's Friday. I can't watch the movie, but I'm gonna

585
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 4: die in this shirt. Like the commitment to a bit

586
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 4: that nobody else on the planet really knows about outside

587
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: of your your wife and kids.

588
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, is like who does that? You know?

589
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 4: At some point it's like it's funny, but you know

590
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 4: it's only funny if other people think it's funny. He's like, nah,

591
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 4: this was funny for me. And so you know, he

592
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: died in that shirt. And so Kevin James. If you

593
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: if you ever hear this podcast, that thirty seven cent

594
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 4: residual check you get every month came from Matt.

595
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 5: Clark watching that movie every Friday.

596
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: You gotta find I gotta find a way to get

597
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: this to him.

598
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I'm thinking my brain works in my in

599
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: the sixth threes of Separation, like all right, who can

600
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: I get Kevin James? So so you can know the

601
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: impact that that that that movie had.

602
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean his friends, his other friends they called

603
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 4: him PAULI because of this movie, this Paul Blart thing.

604
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 5: I'm like this, this is crazy.

605
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean just you know, for him, for

606
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: me to be able to call him and say, hey,

607
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: I want to do this thing that you know, like

608
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 4: like my job is killing me, man, I got to

609
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 4: do something else, like you know, I want to do

610
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: this and see if I can make it a career.

611
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 5: And he just said, yeah, yet do it.

612
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 4: You know, no questions asked, no, like hey man, like

613
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: I'm busy, I can't build you know this stuff and

614
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 4: you know the amount of time and energy and effort

615
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: that that takes.

616
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 5: Like there was no question. He just said, yeah, let's

617
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 5: do it. Let's figure it out.

618
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 4: And you know, I figured out what I wanted to

619
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: be when I grew up, and I would not be

620
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 4: doing this job at all, zero chance if it wasn't

621
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 4: for me. You know, I I had, I had gotten

622
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: into basketball and like really lost what I wanted to do.

623
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 5: I knew I didn't want to coach.

624
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 4: I you know, the analytics side of things was, you know,

625
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't know enough people to even figure

626
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 4: out how I would get into that, right, And so

627
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: it was it was going to have to be something

628
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: that I did from scratch for it to work.

629
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 5: And he was right there too to help make sure

630
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 5: that happens.

631
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: How can we help, you know, it's it's one of

632
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: the things, I mean, our spirit we have kid, we're

633
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: kindred spirits, and that you know, that was my dad's

634
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: thing was just like yours. Helping kids started with you know,

635
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: one kid, you know, going back in the eighties when

636
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: he had travel basketball all the way to to when

637
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: he passed. How can we help Matt Matt's family and

638
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: and help his legacy.

639
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's you know, unfortunately, it's they've had

640
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: a lot in the last month. You know, his wonderful wife,

641
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 4: Maura was like off from her job a week ago,

642
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: you know, knowing that that Matt wasn't going to last

643
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: very long.

644
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 5: And uh, and Matt's dad.

645
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 4: Passed away the week and a half ago while Matt

646
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 4: was in the hospital, and so all of these things,

647
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 4: you know, happening all at once, and somehow Maa you know,

648
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 4: held it all together, you know, And we talked yesterday

649
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 4: because her and I were there when when Matt passed,

650
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 4: and so we just sat there for a while and talked,

651
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 4: and I said, I don't know how you did this,

652
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: and she said, well, you know I have to.

653
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 5: You know, we got got the kids, and so.

654
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, we we started, you know, raising some money just

655
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 4: to help, you know, helping the short term as a company.

656
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 4: We have plans to help in the long term, you know,

657
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 4: set up some trust things for the kids for when

658
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 4: they get older and and all that. But in the

659
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 4: short term, you know, ma and the kids are going

660
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 4: to need help. You know, they're not only have they

661
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 4: their husband and father, but you know, just the circumstances

662
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 4: of everything else going on around him.

663
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 5: It's going to be really hard. And so.

664
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 4: You can go to verbal commits dot com. Right at

665
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: the very top there's a there's a donation link. You know,

666
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 4: we've we've had you know, some great support on that

667
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 4: and some other coaches that have reached out that you know, again,

668
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 4: nobody knew Matt's name right in the industry. It was

669
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 4: Matt was in the back doing all these incredible things.

670
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 4: But but he, uh, he wasn't the face of things.

671
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 4: He wanted to quietly be the one in the background.

672
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 4: And so you know, people that have benefited and used

673
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 4: and everything from his work, you know, have been reaching

674
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 4: out and and uh and trying to help and stuff.

675
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, just if anybody.

676
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 3: Feels is it a go fund me?

677
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, yeah, it's a go fund me up there.

678
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 4: And you know, we kind of figured for the short

679
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 4: term just you know, the simplicity and immediacy of that is.

680
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 5: You know, super helpful.

681
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 4: So yeah, it'll allow us to to kind of help

682
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 4: keep more and the kids on the you know the

683
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: track they need, you know.

684
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: So that's that's a challenge anybody listen to this podcast

685
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: I'm writing in check today as well, is it doesn't

686
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: matter what the amount is, just understand that, you know,

687
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: it's a it's a pay it forward. And here's a

688
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: guy who, like you said, help help thousands of kids

689
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: without knowing who he was helping. He didn't actually care,

690
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: he just as That's that's why I love this. It's

691
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: called juco advocate. Right, you're an advocate for for players,

692
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 2: not for yourself. You know, you don't make it about

693
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: rend and Gobal. You make it about the player. But

694
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 2: this is the time in which you know, we waste

695
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: so much money on this, on that thing. This can

696
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: really go to help a family who's hurting, family who's

697
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 2: in need, and a legitimate good guy who help people

698
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 2: without asking for anything back in return. Right, that's the

699
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: dark side to what you love to do, what I've

700
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: always loved to do, what so my dad loved to do.

701
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: Is there are there's all a portion of bad actors

702
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: who they promote the kids to fill their own pockets.

703
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: That's not who you are, that's not who Matt was,

704
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: and that's not what this is about. So that's why

705
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 2: it was really important. I know that the emotions are

706
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: still really raw, but in the getting it out that hey,

707
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: you know, this has turned from trying to help them

708
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: with all his bills to now helping the family who's

709
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: lost lost a husband and helping a wife who's lost

710
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: her job as well. I can't I can't imagine what

711
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: they're all, what they're all going through.

712
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: What about you personally?

713
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: How you doing.

714
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 5: Hanging in there. Man. You know this was.

715
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: This is something that that you know definitely will change it.

716
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 4: You know, I think I think as we all go

717
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 4: through these kinds of things, you know that they happen

718
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 4: to all of us at some point, right, But it

719
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 4: gives you a very different perspective on things. You know,

720
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 4: Matt was just a few years older than me and

721
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: and h and watching somebody go through that, you know,

722
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 4: suddenly getting hit with that dose of reality of you know, today,

723
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 4: tomorrow and then all of a sudden, you don't know, right,

724
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 4: giving you that better perspective on Ah, I need to

725
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 4: be more patient, I need to be more Yeah, you know,

726
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: I shop ug your kids more, right, like those kinds

727
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: of things that you know, you you think that that's

728
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: a no brainer, but we get so tied up in

729
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 4: all the things that we do that we forget that stuff.

730
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 4: Right when my kids go to school in the morning,

731
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 4: it's it's you know, get him out the door and

732
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 4: you know, so I can get back to work kind

733
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: of thing, as opposed to you know, being a little

734
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 4: more present in that moment. And so I'll take that away.

735
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: Well, you're doing the good stuff, man, I mean, I

736
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: know your passion for this has grown to over has

737
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: always been overseas players as well junior college players. I

738
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: know your passion for it.

739
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: I know.

740
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's proud to be your partner, you know,

741
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 2: because you are the face of it. But again, you've

742
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: never been that yourself. You've been about the kids and

743
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: even in your kind of plea for help, It's it's

744
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: an amazing get you have and to be able to

745
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: want to help other people on a daily basis, you know,

746
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: as that's what you do, and uh, that speaks the

747
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: type of human being that you are.

748
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: That's why I like associating with you.

749
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm so sad for Matt and his wife

750
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: and their kids. Just that's you know, you haven't yet

751
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: to hit fifty. That's way too soon, you know, way,

752
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: way way too soon. Well again, we're going to post

753
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: the GoFundMe link when we post this on social media,

754
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: and uh, Brandon, I know you're going through a tough time.

755
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: I know that with the basketball season starting, it's going

756
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: to be hard and I'm sure there'll be moments in

757
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: which you're a lot caught up in your job and

758
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: you're sending me a text of you have to take

759
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: this kid and you're not even thinking and then there'll

760
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: be a time. And I was just talking with a

761
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: friend of mine who lost his father about two weeks ago,

762
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 2: and I see, I said, you know, I lost my

763
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: dad eleven years ago this Thanksgiving time. And I don't

764
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: know if it was stupid or not, but I I

765
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: did it.

766
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 3: I had a game at Fresno.

767
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 2: It was like, I'm gonna say, like four days maybe

768
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: five days after he died, and we were living in Connecticut,

769
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: we all at all, we were all coming out anyway

770
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: for Thanksgiving. And he passed before Thanksgiving night, four night

771
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: before Thanksgiving or two nice four Thanksgiving. So I drove

772
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: to Fresno, which was about four hours from Orange County,

773
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 2: and you know, I was on the phone so much

774
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: the whole way there. People were calling, obviously, and but

775
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 2: the emotions.

776
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: That hadn't really set in. And then I probably too

777
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: soon went right.

778
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: Back to work and calling a game, and then I

779
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: was driving home and then.

780
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: He's like two hours in.

781
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: I just remember it hitting me, and you know, and

782
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: it just it comes and goes, and you know, there's

783
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: something real about survivor's guilt, where you know you'll sit

784
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 2: there and go like boll he had this beautiful family

785
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: and you know, why why him? And why not me?

786
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: And why am I so lucky? You'll go through all

787
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: stages of it. It's it's really really hard. I think

788
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 2: the harder one is that he's our age. You know,

789
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: whereas you can you can kind of negotiate with yourself,

790
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: like my dad was seventy three, Like, hey, seventy it

791
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 2: was seventy two, about to be seventy three, so as

792
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: that's a good run, you know, whereas you know your forties,

793
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: that's it just doesn't seem enough. But you're gonna need

794
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: You're going to need the support of the basketball community

795
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 2: as well.

796
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 4: And people have been incredible and the friends and reaching

797
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 4: out and stuff and and you know, the which has

798
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 4: been awesome, and it's been it's been great. But you know,

799
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: I just I just want to keep everybody's you know, attention,

800
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 4: just really focused on who he was and what he

801
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 4: did and how many people he helped and that you know,

802
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 4: I'm going to get that constant reminder every day of that,

803
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 4: because you know, I'm not doing this job without him, right,

804
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: and seeing the sight every day and you know, the

805
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: thing that he built and no matter how that that

806
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 4: changes over the years, you know it it was because

807
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 4: of him, and so.

808
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 5: You know that will.

809
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 4: That'll be hard, but at the same time positive, you know,

810
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: having that constant reminder of his impact, you know, again

811
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 4: in a in a community, in a space that I

812
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 4: don't know when the last time he watched a basketball

813
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 4: game was he was a hockey guy, you know, So

814
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 4: he did it. He did it out of passion for

815
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 4: helping rather than than you know, passion for even the right.

816
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 4: And so being reminded that of every day will be

817
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 4: hard first and then it'll it'll settle into being something

818
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 4: that I cherish.

819
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: Well.

820
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: Listen, I know this, this is a really still very raw,

821
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: very fresh.

822
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: I appreciate you happening with me doing this.

823
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: I do think it's more important to get it out

824
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: now just because she's gonna need help. She's gonna need help.

825
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: And you know, the one thing that I'm big on is,

826
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, like it's gonna you don't even don't even

827
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: do it for karma that it's gonna come back around,

828
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: but it's that people will help other people.

829
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: Now it's our time, you know, to to to pay it,

830
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 3: pay it back.

831
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: And this is a great way of a very honest

832
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: and organic way and unfortunate tragedy where he goes from

833
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: you know, you guys are your business is just exploding

834
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: to now he's not able to necessarily see all the

835
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 2: benefits from it.

836
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: So sucks.

837
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: Sucksppreciate you and having me on and letting me tell

838
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 4: his story. And you know, again, so many people. We

839
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 4: get about two point three million unique users of the

840
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 4: site every year, and none of them have ever heard

841
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 4: the name Matt Clark, and so now they do.

842
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: Now they do.

843
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 5: I do, Brandon.

844
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 3: I'm sorry for your loss.

845
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: I'll do everything I can to help with Matt MAT's

846
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: family mass legacy as well, and I'll encourage everybody to

847
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: do so.

848
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 3: But more than anything, I appreciate your friendship.

849
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: And it's it's a it's one based on respect and

850
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: admiration for what you've built and who you are as

851
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 2: a person. So I know you're hurting, but call me

852
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: here to text me anytime. This is this is this

853
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: is the hard part, you know.

854
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 5: Yep, yep, appreciate you, my friend.

855
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: That's it for the All Ball podcast. Check out the

856
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: radio show, The Doug Gottlieb Show, broadcast every day three

857
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: to five is you're twelve two specific and you can

858
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 2: download it in podcast form as well.

859
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: Just type in Doug wherever you get podcasts.

860
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: In the meantime, thanks so much for listening, and my

861
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: thanks to Brandon Geoble, because that's being extremely vulnerable and

862
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: extremely thoughtful, not about himself, about others.

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00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: But that's who BG is. I'm Doug Godli. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball