WEBVTT - Dallas Mavericks Owner Mark Cuban 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.440 I'm Mark Cuban and you're listening to my favorite ball 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:09.640 boy ever on the Haypal Podcast from my Heart Radio, 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:13.200 Common Enemy and tenderm with TV. It's they Pal Podcast 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:23.080 Pal with Jared and I've missed you. I have not 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.479 missed you. But I'm super excited about our show today. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:27.479 Because I've missed our show. I know today is going 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.000 to be a really really special one. It is. It 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.440 is crazy cool. I can't wait to talk to him. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:34.879 We'll see if he remembers me. I don't know it's 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.960 it's it's up for discussion. But I know you're gonna 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.200 talk about being a ball boy me I would never, 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:44.159 never date talk about all the time. So how you're good? Though? 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.880 Everything's good? I'm good. Everything's good. Uh Franklin, Benjamin Franklin. 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.240 My dog is good. Everybody's good. I've seen Benjamin Franklin 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.400 as you've seen ghosts. I have seen ghost ghost keeps me. 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:59.080 Great dogs, great, great dogs. They're all we have. Yes, 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:00.800 I don't mean to cut you all off. Yes, but 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.760 do you know what time it is? What time is it? Pal? 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.600 I think Pal? It's right? Guy time? Right, guy? All right, 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:14.399 let's do it way Kyle can you try and call 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:19.319 uh right guy for us. He's a pretty busy guy guy. 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:21.160 By the way, it's funny that we're just like calling 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.200 him in the middle of work. And I don't know 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:25.600 if he's going to say it, but he was pretty 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:27.640 upset about the hang up. But he can't be like 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.200 like he's talking about Montreal and all this time. It's 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.840 just there's so much you can know about the Montreal. 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:37.760 Hey right guy, Hey right guy, how you doing. I'm alright, 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.120 you're just all right to hear from us. We're calling 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.240 you in the middle of our party. He's irritated with us. 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.319 I'm okay, what's up, guys, because we hung up on 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.000 you last week. We're so sorry. Let's get to it. 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:54.080 Who won Best Actress please year? That's the New York 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:58.480 American Beauty and that Benning was upset that year by 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:03.600 Hillary Swink. Boys don't cry. I was like, there's no 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.600 way he's going to know this. That's awesome. Nineteen seventy 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:12.760 two nineteen seventy five NBA Championship. I mean, that's my 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.320 my guy. Granny Style, Rick Barry and the Golden State Warriors. 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.880 Come on, we go, you got one for him? Devo 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:23.120 there we go. Uh, let's see rapid fires so we 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.000 can't Who was the number one draft pick in nineteen nine? 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.560 Is that too specific? We'll see I don't know NBA 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:34.440 number one draft pick? Oh oh, come on? Is that 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:39.239 the old candy? Here? Is that? I don't know? Is 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.800 that can? Here's the real question, because I remember this? 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:46.400 Who is the number two pick? I remember that? Yeah? 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:55.600 Because you know? Because what's his name? The agent? We knew. 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.440 We knew that was coming, Devo. We had to hang up. 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.080 We shared he was about to say something interesting for once. Look, 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.760 we made a deal with right guys a small segment 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:09.280 when he gets alright, fun, Kyle, can you call right 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.919 guy back, call him back, snipe him back? Hopefully he 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.440 won't be too piste off. Goodness, gracious, it was good information. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.280 We talked about this before the show. Small segment, right, 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.240 we got hi, right guy, We're sorry about that. Hey, 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.280 I think there was something wrong with Jared's phone. He 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:24.720 didn't mean it, all right, What were you about to 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:26.600 say about the Mike Bibby and all that? Sorry to 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:35.240 cut you off. What I was saying that the agent, 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:39.760 he's in the Last Dance, He's Jordan's agent. Falk. He 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.200 wrapped Bibby, who went number two, and he apparently told 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:45.880 the Clippers organization if that they didn't take his client 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.680 number one, he would never deal with them ever again. 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:53.360 And they did. You know, I just I can't, I 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:58.160 can't da. We've got a show to do, and we've 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.120 got a show to do. We've got to do this. 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.920 Let's move on, all right. Well, so everybody's already you know, 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.040 probably seen who's going to be the guest on here, 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.000 So I wanted to talk to you before we intro 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.240 him and bring him on. Is uh is just kind 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.920 of in the ownership field, you know. And a cool 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:17.479 question that I like to ask that I did not 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:21.000 prep you on um is if you could go back 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:25.080 in time, knowing what you know now and own anything, 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:29.560 so you're the inventor, right you created it? There's nowhere 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.920 really I mean, you would go to Facebook just instantly 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.200 like that. You would be Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, I mean 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.040 Facebook isn't going anywhere. They own Instagram, they own WhatsApp, 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.960 they own everything. But you wouldn't go like airplanes. No, 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.280 I mean, look, I'd love to do you invented an airplane. 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.880 I would the person that invented the airplane. Well you 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.520 just said Facebook, but well I'm trying to maximize money 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.520 right now or Amazon for that mat Yeah, I see. 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.960 You could have gone Can you imagine to unfortunately get 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.599 divorced and still be the richest man in the world, 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:00.720 and on top of it, his wife is now one 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.560 of the richest people. His ex wife is one of 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.080 the richest people in the world. It would have been 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:05.440 funny if you would have said, if I could have 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.400 gone back and anybody you would have been his wife, 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.600 It would have been a great answer. Okay, so you go, 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.440 you go Facebook, what would you do? And what about? 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.600 What about one more to that? What about if you 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.279 had to own a sports franchise that is you know 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.839 where I'm gonna go, non filly included, Like I want 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.200 to know, just give me in, you know, I want 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.640 something interesting that you're your heart isn't attached to non 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:35.479 philly included, and non filly included some some sports. God 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.040 just came down and said New York Yankees. You would Yeah, 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.320 that's a great choice. Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, it 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.480 would be could be really cool. Yeah, yeah, I agree, Yeah, yeah, 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.719 I think the listeners are like you. You knuckleheads stopped talking. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:49.400 I want to hear. I want to hear from us, 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.760 They want to hear from our guests. You know what, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.719 I will say that this one is a very very 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:59.120 special one to me. So without further ado, we will 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.560 will Kyle he ready, Oh oh wow, we're good to go, 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.800 all right. Well, from sitting upper deck with my mom 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:07.919 at games to then becoming a ball boy for the 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.200 organization from sixth grade to tenth grade, what a time 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.360 that was for me, Dave, What a time to be alive, 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.000 it really was. Then watching this man by the team 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.679 while I was in tenth grade, our next guest single 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.640 handedly lifted the morale, changed the energy, and put fans 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:24.520 back in the seats in Dallas, and I had a 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.719 front row seat for it all from the beginning. We 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.480 haven't spoken in probably fifteen years. That's a long time, Dave. 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:30.640 I mean he didn't want to talk to you. I 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.919 understand that, completely, understand it. Well, would you would you so? 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:35.640 But then you would take my call after the fifties 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.120 fifteen years? Absolutely, I mean he did, so you have to, alright. 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.839 So we haven't talked in like fifteen years or so, Okay, 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.160 but I emailed my pal, and he emailed me right 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.320 away and said he was in on doing the show. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.320 And that is the kind of guy he is. Please 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.479 welcome to the Hey Pal podcast, Mark Cuban, Mark, how 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:57.760 you doing it? What's yeah? My pleasure man? Just way 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:02.920 to make me feel old? Tenth grade? My well, listen. 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.760 I I the first person I did call it was 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:07.960 my mom and I said, Mark emailed me back and 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.040 he and he's coming on. And she couldn't have been happier. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:14.080 So I said, Hi, I will, I will, I will 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:17.320 for sure. So before we get started into it, I 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.120 just want to know it's it's it'll be like a 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.120 two minute story tenth grade Mark by the team, right, 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:26.120 Mark two thousand? Yeah? Yeah. So and I was a 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.400 ball boy and so then the next year you were 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:32.760 a ball boy for the Mavericks. Stop it. I love it. 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:35.200 I love it. And so the next year was the 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.440 first year that we had made the playoffs, and like forever, 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.480 and I being you know, the ball boy was embedded 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.440 with you know, the players and some of the and 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.560 some of the guys like Chris Arnold who has been 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.480 there forever. Chris said, yeah, and he's still there. And 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.840 Chris said, Jay you, and you and Scott just hop 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.080 on the plane. I'll take you down to San Antonio 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.560 for the series. And I was like, what, Like, I'm 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.400 like sixteen seventeen years old. I'm like this is the 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:00.960 crazy okay, Like I'm down because everybody knew I was 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.520 just I knew everything about the MAVs, biggest fan ever. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.440 And they were like, hop on the plane. So we had. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.120 We get on the plane. We go to sant An 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.400 and Chris lets us come down towards the court, gets 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.080 us down there somehow, and Cuban sees me and we 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:16.880 say hi. We say hi for a second, He's like, 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.720 what are you doing here? You know a little familiarity 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.960 from ball Boy and stuff. And I said, oh, we 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:23.640 we just hopped on with Chris Arnold. I don't even 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.520 know how we're gonna get back. Like I don't even 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:26.960 know how we're gonna get back to Dallas, Like I 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.960 just hopped on. We haven't even told our parents. And 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.120 and Mark literally looks at me and says, Jared, come 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.200 find me after the game if you don't know where 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.560 where you're going or where you're staying, and I'll make 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.560 sure that you have a place to stay. Awesome, And 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.360 I was like what and he was like, yeah, Like, 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.160 we have a couple of busses that are going back, 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.360 but if we missed those, you know, it's all good. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.960 So the game happens. We play the Spurs, which you 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:49.400 know was a big bit. That was a big deal 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.400 for us. We had just beaten Utah in the first 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.960 round and made that incredible comeback, and we find Cuban afterwards, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.120 by the way, to Mark's credit, like this is the 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.680 kind of human we are talking to right now. I'm 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.480 in tenth grade. He doesn't owe me anything. And he 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.560 comes back out onto the court. It was like, you know, 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.280 forty five minutes after and finds me and it's like, 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.920 you know, Jay, are you good? And I'm like and 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.080 and I'm like what can we do? And he's like, look, 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.600 the busses are gone, pulls out a hundred dollar bill 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.800 and says, Jared, I want you to go find a 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.320 hotel and I want and I'm gonna pay for it. 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:23.960 And me and my friend Scott were like, first of all, 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:25.680 this is a joke. Are you kidding me? I can't 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.680 believe Cubans doing this for us. Secondly, we were just 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:30.440 so thankful that he you know, we had like a 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.719 because Chris Arnold wasn't doing that. Sorry Chris to call 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.880 you out, but like it was all Mark. And so 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.880 Mark even said, if there isn't a place to stay 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:40.520 or you can't find, this is the hotel we're at. 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:42.720 And the beautiful part, you know, to end this story 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.280 is that Scott and I went and looked at four 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.160 or five hotels. They were all sold out because this 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.080 was you know, a huge series and the river Walk 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.400 and that's kind of where it was. And so we said, 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.960 all right, like we feel all this pressure, but let's 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.080 just go back to the Let's go back to where 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.199 Cuban said, they're all staying. We go, we say, we 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.679 tell them this ridiculous story, which the front desk is like, 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.800 who are these knuckleheads? And they, to their credit, they 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.679 actually we just said, please believe us. Call Mark. They 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.080 call Mark. Mark says, set them up in a room, 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:12.559 and we got to stay. And then we returned to 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.880 Dallas the next day. And and I don't know if 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:20.960 you remember any of that, but tell us obviously great story. 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:22.839 And I think that's probably the last time Mark ever 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.079 wanted to talk to you up until today. It's I 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.760 was probably worried about being accused of child abuse or something. 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:41.040 Oh more with Mark Cuban after the break, Thank you 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.520 again for for being on on the Hey Pell podcast. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.400 So you bought the MAVs, as we were just talking 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.200 about in in two thousand and you are a businessman 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.040 at the end of the day, and so I know 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.480 that you're a huge MAVs fan. Um, but if it 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.720 didn't make business sense, I don't think my my gut 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.800 tells me it wouldn't have. You still wouldn't have bought 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.120 the team. I would have bought the team anyways. It 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:04.480 made no business sense. Literally, I wanted it so bad. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.320 Ross Pro took me on a helicopter ride and I'm 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.880 terrified heights. Literally, I thought I was gonna fall out 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:14.240 of that damn helicopter. I was terrified, and um he 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.640 was like talking price and negotiated, and I wanted to 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.280 get down out of that helicopter so fast and so bad. 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:24.280 I'm like whatever. You know, everybody thought I was a 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.720 knucklehead when I paid two five million for it. I 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.319 didn't even care. I mean, I remember being on the 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:34.000 bus with Don Nelson and Del Harris and this is 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.559 when we had just sold um broadcast dot Com and 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.679 the internet stock market was still bonkers, and we had 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.760 Yahoo stock and the stock went up like a hundred 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.680 bucks and they're like, it went up a hundred bucks. 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.160 I'm like, yeah, I just paid for the MAVs, you know. 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.280 So it's just like one I had nothing to do 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.320 with real business. I just I just thought of you know, 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.599 I'm a I'm a ball ass life type guy, and 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.520 so it was just the best thing ever. Well that 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:00.840 makes that makes me happy because he's a true fan, 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:02.880 but he is he is a businessman at the end 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.400 of the day. And you happen to buy the MAVs 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.480 low and then you were able to if you wanted 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.080 to today you're able to then sell high. And so 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.840 my question for you is if you were able to 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.480 buy low and sell high on an actor, if actors 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:20.160 were stocks, right, what is an actor or who? And 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.760 by the way, whoever you want, like we we don't 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.520 care who you think would be a great actor. If 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.040 you were able to buy their stock now and then 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.040 let's say, then sell high on them. I think Ben Affleck. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.400 I'm a Ben Affleck fan. It's a good one. I've 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.720 been getting shipped on and he's been sucking things up, 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.360 and you know, and when when they're down on their 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.000 luck like that, that's when you want to buy, you know, 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.480 and he'll turn it around. That's when people are dangerous sometimes. Yeah, 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.720 And I think it's great because, like, I mean, wow, 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.240 what an answer, because right now, Ben Affleck, if you 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.240 were stock, you'd be able to buy low. Yeah. Yeah, 0:12:56.080 --> 0:13:03.719 I'm stock market real, real, real, Um, do you have 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.200 any any any other actors or an actress in mind? 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.880 Are you just putting all your eggs in in Ben Affleck? 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.400 Which I like, Yeah, I mean I don't think I 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:19.200 want to diversified portfolio for real. I mean it's just like, Okay, 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.719 when was the last time even you know, I mean 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.000 other than well, you know, Nicholas Cage is gonna be 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:29.640 playing um Joe Exotic, yes, you know, and Nicolas Cage 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:35.040 he's looking up at Ben Affleck on his luck. That's 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.480 for sure. This is a big, big moment for Nicolas Cage. Yes, 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.920 he it is, man. And you know, I just wanna 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.080 know who's gonna play Carol and um the dude with 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.839 the missing leg. Oh my god, there's just something. It's 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.880 the most incredible story. It's just the most amazing story. Yeah, 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.000 it's funny because Kyle and I, um, we just did 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.360 a movie in New Orleans called Cutthroat City, and uh 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.000 we were talking to Nick Cage's manager, remember, and he 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:00.600 was gonna come on board. And then we we huddled 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.079 up and we were like, I don't know if right 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:08.360 now is to hire Nick. Yeah, I've seen Nicholas out 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:13.560 a few times. Now, maybe not, you know, all right now, 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.800 Mark on Shark Tank, there's five sharks that are in 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.000 the tank at any one time, right, So similar to 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.640 a basketball team with if you had to take four 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.680 other Sharks over the years and some of the reserve 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:26.960 Sharks that have been on the show, and you had 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.600 to play a basketball team, you had to you had 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.000 to create a team. Who would be your point guard, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.880 your forwards, your center, and who would be your six 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:41.720 man off the bench? Ben Affleck, Nicholas Cage. So they're awful. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.280 I mean there's not I mean, Damon John I invited 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.160 him to a finals game and Ma's finals game and 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.320 he showed up at halftime. I mean, none of them 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.760 are like athletes at all. So now there's just no 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:58.320 chance is there one that could be like a floor general? 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.240 Like running the court, like I've got a ten year 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.000 old son, and if it was him and five sharks, 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.200 I'm taking him versus five sharks. I'm taking him over 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:13.240 any five. So the sharks, you're completely non athletic, Dave, 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.480 I think we have found our answer. There is gonna 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:17.880 be it is it is Mark Cuban verse whoever is 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.440 coming down with the ball on the other end of 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.360 the court. I'm telling you what, you know, what if 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.560 it's like them walking and chewing gum at the same time, 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.440 I'm taking the under I love it. I love it. Um. 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.480 So Cuban two thousand and six was one of the 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.760 worst years for me all all around. I know you're 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:39.840 already already. Well, I'll tell you why it was, and 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.680 then you can you can let me know. But I 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.800 feel like there was robbery going around everywhere. Leo DiCaprio 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.880 was my favorite actor, and he got nominated for Blood 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.200 Diamond and got robbed of the Oscar. I mean, I 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:54.000 couldn't It's great movie, right, I couldn't believe it. Um 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.480 And then obviously, being an obsessive MAVs fan, we played 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.680 the heat and uh, in my opinion, you know, just 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:04.360 my opinion. We got robbed of of a title. That's 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:08.080 a fact. Fact. It's a fact that we got robbed 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:12.760 to the still makes me sick to my stomach. Well, 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.520 I won't, I won't continue on that end then, but 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.040 I I mean me too, honestly, you have you have 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.760 a maverick for life here in MFL, you know, And 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.600 and it made it made me sick too. But I 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.080 started thinking of of the parallels of like Dirk Novitsky 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.240 and Leo, Like that's what I got to and I 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.920 wanted to know if if you could answer this question, 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.640 you know and not be biased. Um, but who do 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.880 you think had more pleasure when they finally won the 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.800 big one. You've got Dirk who who went to numerous 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.760 you know, Western Conference finals. He was always by the way, 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.600 he always had us in the playoffs. He always put 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.880 us in a position to win. You have over a 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.200 span of I think it was thirteen years before he 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.600 actually won it. And then you had Leo who, when 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.880 he became a you know, went from a boy to 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.520 a man. You know, it was about thirteen to fifteen 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.880 years where he was getting nominated once every two to 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.320 three years and not winning it. And so I was 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.919 wondering if if looking from the outside in, when they 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.520 finally lifted that trophy, was it Leo that had more 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:12.439 gratification or Dirk. I'm thinking Dirk because has a finite 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.399 number of years. You can't play forever. Leo is going 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.600 to be old and gray and you know, the next 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:19.920 Robert to Hero, right, and so he's gonna be able 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.200 to do it forever. And you know, Dirk's married, Leo's single. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:24.840 So even when you lose, I think it's all the 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:30.680 misery love. You know, it's so by the way, it's 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:34.200 it's so true, very very true. Trust me. Yeah, I know, yeah, 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.240 I didn't think about that. With the with the ticking 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.399 with the ticking clock, that's uh, that's actually yeah, it's 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.119 really smart now is it is? A team owner? I 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.040 kind of want to know what what was that feeling 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.240 like when you guys finally won that championship, First as 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.879 a fan and then from a business perspective, but as 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.239 a fan, what was that moment like for you? You You know, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.760 being there, it was more stressful least than anything else, 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.399 because you know, you're going and going and going and 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.640 and like Jay said, we had lost it thousand six 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:02.840 and we have been up to Oh, so I never 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:05.120 let myself think we were gonna win this, and so 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.040 I'll never forget um. There was about thirty seconds left 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.960 and we went up by twelve, I think, and I 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.879 just realized there ain't coming back. There's no twelve point plays, right, 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:17.840 they ain't coming back, and so I just let out 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.320 the biggest scream ever. I mean, it's just all stress release. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.479 And then I remember running around the court looking for 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:27.359 people to hug and everything. You know, this is fun, 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.120 but you know it just it wasn't nearly as good 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.080 as as a stress release. Yeah. And then from a 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.800 business perspective, how how how long did you allow yourself 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.399 to enjoy that moment before you started thinking from a 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.840 business side? Oh man, I was drunk for days. I 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:46.720 didn't think at all. There was no think of business 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.720 at Oh. I mean I used to. I took the 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:52.119 trophy from bar to bar to bar to bar just 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.119 to hang out with people. Yeah, it was. It was 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:58.639 a blast. I absolutely love you cubs, because it is 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.560 it is true. I think, you know, again just my opinion, 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.159 but Mark, I think the reason that you are so 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.520 good at your job and I and again I've gotten 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.199 to see it since I was a kid. You were 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:12.959 a ball boy for the Mavericks. Tabulous song is because 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.280 it is because you have not lost you. You have 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.840 not lost the fan in you. And and a lot 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:19.840 of people out here say that about me. You know, 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:23.600 I'm producing movies right now with you know, big time actors, 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.040 and I'm able to step outside of that and still 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.199 be a fan and then also put on my business 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:29.920 at And I think that's what you do such a 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.080 great job as you know you can you know how 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:33.600 to become the fan, and then you know how to 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.040 become you know, the But there's one and the same. 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.320 I mean, you know your business right, you know what works, 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.359 and you know the film business is a hard, hard business, right, 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.800 and so there's always there's always a lot of risk. 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.359 And so you know, if you're not a fan first, 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.120 you're not going to be authentic. And that's the key man, 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.960 because you know, loving the game and and just loving 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.439 the MAVs, that just lets me beat myself. And I 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:57.720 know business right, It's like Dirk at the free throw line, 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.480 he knows that's going in. I know what I'm doing 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.639 business why, that's the easy part. But just enjoying it 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.639 that that's the part I love, Yeah, I love it. 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.240 So in two thousand and eleven, uh, we'll talk about 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.840 good years. We uh we we won the championship. And 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:13.880