WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 011522 Does Defunding the Police Work?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I am your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsy's Jah.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna go by the name q Ward, Ramsey's Job.

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening everything in the world. Man, it's good to

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<v Speaker 1>see you, good to talk to always. We should do

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<v Speaker 1>this more often, yeah, man, once a week nearly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm glad that we get to do this and

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<v Speaker 1>we get to share it with our wonderful, incredibly supportive listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>which you should stick around for. We have a great

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<v Speaker 1>show in store for you. We are going to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not defunding the police works obviously a very hot,

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<v Speaker 1>very much a hot button issue, and you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>been some early reports back from different cities around the country,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna examine that, peel back a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>layers and really try to figure out what that means. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to examine that very common saying I'm not racist,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a black friend. I'm want to feel back

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<v Speaker 1>a few layers of that as well. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>that's necessary and that's timely, and that's kind of right

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<v Speaker 1>up our alleys anyway. So you know, people that hide

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<v Speaker 1>behind that statement, you might know them. It might be

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<v Speaker 1>in your life. It might even be you. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to really examine what that means and how if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to use it, how to use it and

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<v Speaker 1>how not to use it. Also, we're gonna discuss the

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<v Speaker 1>origins of yoga. A lot of people, you know, know

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<v Speaker 1>that yoga comes from you know, Asia, parts like South

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<v Speaker 1>Southeast Asia, but yoga actually has roots in Africa, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to discuss that as well. But first and foremost,

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<v Speaker 1>like we always do with his time, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about some ebony excellence. How about that Q as

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<v Speaker 1>we should always do about this time, Yes, sir, so

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<v Speaker 1>Ebny excellence. Today we're going to talk about Sean puff

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<v Speaker 1>Daddy or p Diddy Combs or Diddy or what he

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<v Speaker 1>changed his name to love or something once upon a time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, puff puff Daddy, uh Diddy, huff post short.

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<v Speaker 1>Brother Love. He gets nicknames on deck. I'm not mad

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<v Speaker 1>at it. Well, today we're talking about him, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he is a serial entrepreneur, very successful businessman, somewhere on

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<v Speaker 1>his way toward becoming a billionaire if he's not there already.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, uh, you know, we like to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>people that do great things. But you know, Puffy has

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<v Speaker 1>always been very pro black and very supportive of black

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<v Speaker 1>businesses and black individuals and black culture and so forth

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<v Speaker 1>and so on, and it's funny that we haven't talked

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<v Speaker 1>about him yet, but even though we're late, we do

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<v Speaker 1>get a chance to shout him out. So he actually

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<v Speaker 1>bought back his clothing line, Sean John. So originally he

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<v Speaker 1>sold a majority stake of Sean John in twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>to Global Brands Holding Limited, that's a holding company that

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<v Speaker 1>specializes in celebrity apparel, and they filed for Chapter eleven

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<v Speaker 1>in July of twenty twenty one and they placed Sean

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<v Speaker 1>John along with other assets up for auction. Well, Puff

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<v Speaker 1>Daddy or p Diddy or Diddy went and bought it back.

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<v Speaker 1>So not only did he get a bag up front,

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<v Speaker 1>but then he actually bought back his clothing line that

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<v Speaker 1>carries his name and he got it for seven and

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<v Speaker 1>a half million dollars, So he made money coming and

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<v Speaker 1>going on that one. And of course he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>continue to provide his black owned fashion to the world

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<v Speaker 1>and we love to see it. So shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>Sean P. Diddy Comb's aka Puff Daddy. Now moving on,

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<v Speaker 1>does defunding the police work real quick. Want to shout

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<v Speaker 1>out Forbes magazine because that's where we drew the information

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<v Speaker 1>for Diddy and buying back Shawn John And now our

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<v Speaker 1>sources are the Wall Street Journal and Sean King. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we are fans of Sean King, you know, not diehard fans,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, certainly are fans of his work. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we are critical of everything that comes our way. We

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<v Speaker 1>have to be. We're a separate journalistic institution here on

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<v Speaker 1>Civic Cipher, but we do like his high takes. We

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<v Speaker 1>had appreciate his perspective in the same way with it,

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate the perspective of you know, other great speakers, comedians,

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<v Speaker 1>people that just haven't an interesting view of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>But defunding the police, that's one of the first questions

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<v Speaker 1>that we were able to ask on this show when

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<v Speaker 1>we had Zara from Black Lives Matter, And that's really

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why we wanted to create Civic Cipher in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. That's funny because you know, for those

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<v Speaker 1>listening Q and I, we felt like in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>that the people on the streets with the bullhorns that

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<v Speaker 1>were saying defund the police they were talking to just

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<v Speaker 1>the people who were protesting and marching with them, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're reaching you know, a few hundred people

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<v Speaker 1>to a few thousand people, depending on who who could

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<v Speaker 1>hear them, you know, the thousands of people there, but

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<v Speaker 1>not everybody could hear. And you know, when we first

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<v Speaker 1>heard defund the police, it sounded very scary, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that was kind of what their intention was.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they explained it, we're like, oh, they've thought

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<v Speaker 1>about this. They want to basically reallocate fiscal resources from

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<v Speaker 1>the police departments to other programs that will actively prevent

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<v Speaker 1>the causes of crimes, like why crimes happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place. You know, scarcity is the birthplace of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of crimes, you know, And so the idea there,

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<v Speaker 1>once it was explained, made the statement defund the police

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more approachable, so that people could really

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<v Speaker 1>get in there and kind of work with the reality,

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<v Speaker 1>work with the real And we felt like this message

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be on the radio station, not just in

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<v Speaker 1>the streets on the bullhorns. And for those that know

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<v Speaker 1>the story, just bear with me. But we took this

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<v Speaker 1>idea to our old radio station and asked them to

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<v Speaker 1>create a space where we could interview these great thinkers

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<v Speaker 1>and great speakers, that they could come up and really

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<v Speaker 1>explain these concepts. And we were told no, And then

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<v Speaker 1>we stepped away and we created Civic Cipher. And now

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<v Speaker 1>you're hearing us in Chicago, and you're hearing us in Detroit,

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate your support. This couldn't have happened without your support,

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<v Speaker 1>just listening to us every week and downloading the show

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<v Speaker 1>and so forth. But I digress does defunding the police work.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're at a point where we can look back

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<v Speaker 1>and see the results of what some police departments have done.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll be honest, if you just look at the

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<v Speaker 1>headlines and nothing else, and you don't have your critical

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<v Speaker 1>lens on what you see. The headlines say that communities

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<v Speaker 1>don't want the defunding of their police departments, and that

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see that, you know, crime has increased in certain

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<v Speaker 1>areas when defunding has taken place, and so forth, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the initial response to this doesn't seem very promising,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, But when you peel away a couple of layers,

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<v Speaker 1>you realize that the story, as they tend to, goes

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit deeper. So I'll read back in October

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<v Speaker 1>of last year, Austin tried cutting Austin, Texas tried cutting

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<v Speaker 1>funding to police departments and learned that there was less policing,

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<v Speaker 1>less policing overall, and they only ask for calls to

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement in response to immediate threats to life or

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<v Speaker 1>property or crimes still in progress. Right, So what you

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<v Speaker 1>end up with is when you look at the headlines,

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<v Speaker 1>you think, well, no, now police won't come out. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>only come out for stuff that really really matters. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know they won't come out for all these other things.

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<v Speaker 1>What's funny because Austin is I believe the city where

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<v Speaker 1>the police chief stated that we the community are asking

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<v Speaker 1>police to do too much. We're asking police to respond

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<v Speaker 1>to everything from my cat stuck in a tree to

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<v Speaker 1>there's an active shooter and everything in between. My car

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<v Speaker 1>is broken in, my boyfriend won't leave, you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>these sorts of things, and not all of these things

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<v Speaker 1>require a man to show up or a woman to

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<v Speaker 1>show up with a gun and a you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>lack of appropriate skills needed to really address every type

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<v Speaker 1>of situation. Right, so they're asking for only for calls

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<v Speaker 1>in response to immediate threats to life for property crime

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<v Speaker 1>still in progress. Sounds approximately like what they wanted. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>we take care of this stuff. This is what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Call us for these things. The other things. There are

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<v Speaker 1>other departments in theory that you should be able to call,

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<v Speaker 1>right and that's kind of the step one. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you say, well, you know, the police aren't taking as

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<v Speaker 1>many calls and they're asking for less calls to come

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<v Speaker 1>their way, it's alarming to the community. It means it

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<v Speaker 1>makes people think, well, I'll be on hold if I

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<v Speaker 1>call the police, if I call nine one one, or

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<v Speaker 1>they won't take the fact that someone broke into my

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<v Speaker 1>car seriously, you know, and I'm feeling the hurt, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because someone broke into my car, instole my purse or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And they think that by spending more money on the

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<v Speaker 1>police that somehow it will alleviate that stress that they

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<v Speaker 1>endure when they're waiting on an officer to show up.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of twenty minutes, they have to wait forty minutes

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<v Speaker 1>because those those type of police have not received enough

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<v Speaker 1>funds to hire just extra people to sit around waiting

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<v Speaker 1>to respond to acts of vandalism, are broken in cars

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<v Speaker 1>which they can't do anything. One thing that Zara did

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<v Speaker 1>mention on the show is that the vast majority of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, police responses are to crimes that have already

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<v Speaker 1>taken place, where the person has already dis appeared from

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<v Speaker 1>the scene, and the police show up and they do paperwork,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes they investigate and get the guy or woman

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<v Speaker 1>who commits the crime, and sometimes they don't. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>really ninety seven percent of police policing in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>You just show up after the stuff, the bad stuff

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<v Speaker 1>has already happened. So I feel like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the media is taking some of the headlines and spinning

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<v Speaker 1>it in such a way to where it makes it

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<v Speaker 1>look like defunding the police doesn't work. But what you're seeing,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're coming across these articles in the way that

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<v Speaker 1>I have, is a half truth. You're seeing a story

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<v Speaker 1>half told, you're seeing an experiment half completed. At least

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<v Speaker 1>that's my initial reaction. What's your initial reaction, que, So.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an interesting way to tell a story where you

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<v Speaker 2>use your confirmation biased and you twist data and statistics

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<v Speaker 2>to fit a narrative that you're trying to get across. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can point to causality versus what is the

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<v Speaker 2>word I'm looking for. Sometimes things just so happened to

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<v Speaker 2>happen in order doesn't mean they were caused by that thing,

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<v Speaker 2>Like if the vaccine, For example, if I take the

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<v Speaker 2>vaccine and then I get hit by a car, an

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<v Speaker 2>anti VAXX person could spin that very easily into see,

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<v Speaker 2>getting the vaccine will get you hit by a car.

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<v Speaker 2>Those things just so happened to happen in that order, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's causality versus correlation. They don't actually

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<v Speaker 2>have anything to do with one another, right, And lieu

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<v Speaker 2>of there being alternatives? Nine one right, the most well

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<v Speaker 2>marketed phone number in history, because just saying those numbers

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<v Speaker 2>means emergency now, right, there's no alternative to that though.

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<v Speaker 2>So when your cat is stuck in a tree, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure there is an animal rescue place you can call,

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<v Speaker 2>but their phone number isn't nine one one. And because

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<v Speaker 2>it's so readily available in your head every time something happens, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Who you look to call. So with regard to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, twisting of statistics to paint a certain story. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the bigger thing is a lack of alternatives. Right

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<v Speaker 2>there are departments that handle a wide battery of things,

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<v Speaker 2>from mental health to you know, spousal abuse, to domestic

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<v Speaker 2>violence to drug abuse. There are resources and agencies in place. However,

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<v Speaker 2>if their number is eight seven seven three five six

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<v Speaker 2>seven nine two three, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not It doesn't roll off the ton you the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even say that same number again right now,

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<v Speaker 2>you get what I'm saying. So as long as they've

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<v Speaker 2>made nine to one one the most successible and easy

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<v Speaker 2>to remember trouble number in history, every time there's any

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<v Speaker 2>type of trouble, people call the cops. The cops, however,

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<v Speaker 2>be a switchboards or by having literal pieces of paper

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<v Speaker 2>with the access to all of those different numbers on them,

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<v Speaker 2>could should and could reroute those phone calls into someone

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<v Speaker 2>who should be handling whatever that specific situation would require,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of, like you said, a man or a woman

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<v Speaker 2>with a gun showing up for something that should not

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<v Speaker 2>escalate into a violent interaction but could just by the

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<v Speaker 2>very presence of the killing machine you have sitting on

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<v Speaker 2>your hip. As rams will call it.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and you know what I think. So I came

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<v Speaker 1>across a story that I think illustrates your point. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the notes in front of me because I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't prepare for this episode, but might talk about it

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<v Speaker 1>again in the future, or we're just briefly stayed about

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<v Speaker 1>stated right now. But I saw a video of a

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<v Speaker 1>man whose alarm went off in his house. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>club owner, I believe it might have been in Texas

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Owns a nightclub, deals with cash

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit. And uh, he's a gun owner, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So his alarm went off in his house. Maybe one

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<v Speaker 1>of his roommates or somebody living with him set off

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<v Speaker 1>the alarm. He gets up, goes downstairs, closes the door,

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<v Speaker 1>resets the alarm, calls the alarm company tells him it's

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<v Speaker 1>a false alarm, goes back up and lays down. He's

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<v Speaker 1>in his home in his underwear. Black man, bigger, bigger frame,

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<v Speaker 1>black man, right, brown, brown skin. A few minutes later,

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<v Speaker 1>the police show up. Right, even though he called the

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<v Speaker 1>alarm company as the owner of the property and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>everything's on, police still show up right and do a

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<v Speaker 1>welfare check. Right, So the police are his door. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess he didn't lock it. So the off the first

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<v Speaker 1>officer that arrived there kind of I guess, announces himself,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one responds because the guy's upstairs he sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>So the officer opens the door and then yells into

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<v Speaker 1>the house. And then the guy wakes up and he

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the top of the stairs. Now he has

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<v Speaker 1>his gun because someone's in his house yelling he's anyone home,

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<v Speaker 1>So he has his gun and he goes to the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the stairs and the guy says, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a police officer, and he's like, do are there any weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, yeah, I have my gun with me and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, okay, put the gun down. The guy puts

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<v Speaker 1>the gun down. He comes downstairs. He's in his underwear,

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<v Speaker 1>a heavier black man right in his underwear, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>talking to the officer and the officer's like, do me

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<v Speaker 1>a favorite turnaround, you know, and he's like for what,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I just told you what happened. I called

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<v Speaker 1>the alarm company, Like you know, I'm in my underwear.

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<v Speaker 1>This is my house. You want to see the pictures

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<v Speaker 1>on the wall, Like it was the wildest thing. The

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<v Speaker 1>officers like, no, it's for our protection, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, as we always see, a million, other officers

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<v Speaker 1>show up and then they take the guy outside because

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, Yo, this is asinine. This is my home.

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<v Speaker 1>When you guys are in my house and do you

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<v Speaker 1>need proofery like, you don't have to put me in

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<v Speaker 1>handcuffs in my home. I was asleep the alarm on

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<v Speaker 1>all I told you what have You can call the

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<v Speaker 1>alarm companies just pleading this case. These guys won't want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear any of it because it's like when they

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<v Speaker 1>show up, they're ready for blood, right, But what you

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<v Speaker 1>see is a thirty minute interaction with six or eight

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<v Speaker 1>officers and they're not all pictured, you know, And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's probably another thirty minutes worth of paperwork in bottle

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<v Speaker 1>and then the guy ended up suing the department. And

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<v Speaker 1>what people don't realize is that those are your tax dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and those tax dollars could be going to something more effective.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that I will not deny. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it's true, but I won't deny it based on

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<v Speaker 1>what I know is Sean King when he said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>police departments are one of the worst run institutions, government

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<v Speaker 1>institutions in the country in terms of how money translates

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<v Speaker 1>into results. You know, and based on what I know

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<v Speaker 1>to be true. You know that checks out, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of checks based on my reality at least. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>spending more money hasn't reduced crime. You know, it's gotten

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<v Speaker 1>more people killed. You know, it's gotten a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>bullies on the streets and so forth. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be too cruel because we do have and

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<v Speaker 1>our believe or not, are gaining more friends. I will

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<v Speaker 1>call them who are police officers who listen to this

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<v Speaker 1>show and they recognize that they're part of a system

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<v Speaker 1>that is not perfect, and they recognize that we can

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<v Speaker 1>be critical of that system. And it doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>we hate them. We do not hate the humans. There

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<v Speaker 1>is no hate in my heart and there never will be.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's up to us to demand better for our community.

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<v Speaker 1>And if we've chosen for these people to protect us,

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<v Speaker 1>then they also need to remember to protect us. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>move on. Philadelphia, Chicago, and San Francisco also have all

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<v Speaker 1>defunded police and there are reports that correlate with those

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<v Speaker 1>measures that show that there have been increases in property

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<v Speaker 1>crimes and homicides. Right, But again I think that tells

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<v Speaker 1>only part of the story. Right, As you mentioned, there's

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just we defund the police and then the

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<v Speaker 1>crime goes up. You know. Okay, let's look at what

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<v Speaker 1>were the trends of property crimes, what were the trends

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<v Speaker 1>of homicides before this happened. Do we take into account

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<v Speaker 1>that there is a pandemic? Do we take into account

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<v Speaker 1>that there the that the reinvestment into those communities hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>taken place too yet, right, Because defunding the police isn't

0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:03.800
<v Speaker 1>just take money away from the police. It's reallocate police

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<v Speaker 1>funding into resources that will prevent crime, prevent the necessity

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<v Speaker 1>of crime from happening in the first place, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>how we reduce crime. It's a different way of thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about how to fight crime. Right. But if you just

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<v Speaker 1>think defund the police, I mean, Q said it on

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<v Speaker 1>the show, and it's a fair point. When you just

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<v Speaker 1>hear defund the police, and that's your own that's your

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<v Speaker 1>only that's your initial talking point. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>tune out initially because they're like, well, that sounds crazy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But really it's reallocate police funding to uh, crime prevention

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<v Speaker 1>measures that will prevent the necessity of crime from happening

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place, you know, better housing opportunities, work opportunities, education,

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<v Speaker 1>and so forth, and so on. Things that where there's

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<v Speaker 1>a proven correlation between a reduction and crime or a

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<v Speaker 1>life of crime and a specific activity, develop these things

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<v Speaker 1>in the community and crime goes down. Did you want

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<v Speaker 1>to jumping right there when I finished?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we spoke to it already, and you bring

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<v Speaker 2>it up again. Causality versus correlation, cause and effect. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not always as straightforward as people want you to think.

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<v Speaker 2>So they can present data without context, without nuance, and

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<v Speaker 2>conclude things that have nothing to do with one another.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hate to keep bringing up the vaccine, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's a you know a lot of misinformation, people saying

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm not taking a vaccine because the vaccine is

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<v Speaker 2>killing people. Right, So, even if every person that has

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<v Speaker 2>died after getting the vaccine, even if that were holistically

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why there have been about four hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>eighty million vaccine shots given out people like people who

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<v Speaker 2>actually received the vaccine. I think it's four hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>seventy million worldwide or something like that. Ten thousand. Those

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<v Speaker 2>people died after vaccine. The study that lists that data

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<v Speaker 2>does not say those people died because of the vaccine,

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<v Speaker 2>but the vaccine being present gives a person on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of that argument the grounds to stand on. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>this vaccine is killing people. Yeah, so you have a

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<v Speaker 2>million people that have died from contracting COVID, and even

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<v Speaker 2>if every one of the people who have died after

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<v Speaker 2>getting the vaccine were because of the vaccine, the percentages

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<v Speaker 2>are very, very very small. And I hate to say

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<v Speaker 2>it in that way because we've gotten way too comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>with death. I think we've made life cheaper throughout this

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<v Speaker 2>pandemic with a really kind of gross selfishness. But it

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<v Speaker 2>just points to that same thing, like, if we're not

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<v Speaker 2>using the data correctly, you can paint a picture and

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<v Speaker 2>tell the story that just isn't true, even though the

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<v Speaker 2>information that you're using is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it happens all the time. I know exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>you mean. I want to add this too. In researching

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<v Speaker 1>this segment for the show, I could not find any

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<v Speaker 1>articles that pointed to community investment or alternative forms of policing.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's nothing that says that that happened. What the

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<v Speaker 1>initial plan was is that you weren't supposed to defund

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<v Speaker 1>the police all at one time. It was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be like gradual, So it's not like you just throw

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of cops out on the streets. There's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be a transfer of the money, but some of

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<v Speaker 1>these cities didn't really take that into account. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to add this, and this is for me. In a

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.359
<v Speaker 1>complex society, crime is always going to be with us.

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<v Speaker 1>The remaining police can deal with crime, Traffic moderators can

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<v Speaker 1>deal with traffic, welfare checks and crimes where the perpetrator

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<v Speaker 1>has left is basically paperwork. Something to remember, and Larry Krassner,

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<v Speaker 1>district attorney in Philadelphia, said something that I think we

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<v Speaker 1>should share. Out of one hundred shootings that happened in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, eighty three of them went unsolved by

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<v Speaker 1>the police. So Sean King pointed out that of the

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 1>eighty three arrests, some were innocent, resulting in a ninety

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<v Speaker 1>percent failure rate by police to find and apprehend the

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 1>correct criminal. The budget is almost a billion dollars, suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>that pouring more money into policing over the years has

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<v Speaker 1>not made anyone safer. Stick around your radios. We're coming

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<v Speaker 1>back with more Civic Cipher right after this