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Speaker 2: And Kanye West made it clear he hates Jews.

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Speaker 1: In England, he'd go to jail for that. Here in America,

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Speaker 2: The John Nick and Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 3: Listen guys, John.

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Speaker 2: Nick, Kenny Florian, do you want a podcast?

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Speaker 3: Great?

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Speaker 2: So they have some audio on your website that nobody

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Speaker 2: goes to. You're your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: April Fools? Are we still doing that? It's Monday, April,

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Speaker 4: first episode one, nine six of the Anak and Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 4: I am in New York City doing voiceovers for EA

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Speaker 4: Sports UFC four. I wake up this morning, Ken Flow,

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Speaker 4: and I see a post from Tim Kennedy that he's

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Speaker 4: come out of retirement. I don't know what fucking day

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Speaker 4: it is, so I retweet that shit and everyone's calling

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Speaker 4: me a fool all day. What are you gonna do?

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Speaker 5: He got you, dude, He got you on April fool.

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Speaker 5: You didn't see it coming.

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Speaker 4: So are you an April Fool's Day guy? Have you

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Speaker 4: played any cranks on anyone today level with me?

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Speaker 3: Bro?

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Speaker 4: Not?

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Speaker 5: In many, many years, I used to do the thing

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Speaker 5: with like you know the spray hose that's connected to

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Speaker 5: the sink. I used to tape that down as a kid,

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Speaker 5: its sprayed everywhere.

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Speaker 6: I did that for a few years. But I'm not

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Speaker 6: really an April Fool's guy now, So.

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Speaker 4: I think when I'm home, I certainly would take some

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Speaker 4: sort of opportunity to mess with my wife or my mom, right,

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Speaker 4: some gullible people out there and my family with all

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Speaker 4: due respect, right.

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Speaker 6: But No.

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Speaker 4: I saw Tim's post, and I know his last fight

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Speaker 4: was against Kelvin Gastolum, which was pretty forgettable for Team Kennedy.

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Speaker 4: So I know how hard he works in life and

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Speaker 4: in training, So I didn't think it was out of

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Speaker 4: the realm of possibility that Tim Kennedy would come back

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Speaker 4: for a US Sea fighter too. And sure, needless to say,

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Speaker 4: I heard from the MMA masses shortly thereafter that I

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Speaker 4: should check the date, and it is April first. We're

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Speaker 4: glad to be with you. Sorry for a little delay today.

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Speaker 4: I was busy during the day, as was Ken Flow.

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Speaker 4: TJ had a babysitter quit. So the schedules have a line,

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Speaker 4: and here we are a little bit late coming at you.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to recap this Philly show. Ray long

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Speaker 4: is going to join us in ten minutes. It's always

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Speaker 4: interesting talking Alongo at the end of his day because

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Speaker 4: at times he sounds a little bit different when you

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Speaker 4: we'll see if ray Longo has been drinking. I've been drinking.

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Speaker 4: I haven't done this podcast with alcohol in my system

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Speaker 4: all that often, but I just went up to the

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Speaker 4: rooftop bar at the Viceroy here in New York City

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Speaker 4: banged a couple of captain and coach with our guy

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Speaker 4: Jimmy Stewart, And I'm a lightweight when it comes to

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Speaker 5: How long are you in New York City for? Because

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Speaker 4: Oh I leave Wednesday night too bad, unbelievable. Give I

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Speaker 4: mean I love those Ken Flow hugs. Well, I hope

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Speaker 4: to see soon. I got to come out to LA

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Speaker 4: at some point and pay off this power hour, yes sir,

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Speaker 4: before it gets too late, right, I don't like to

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Speaker 5: The way the way it's going right now for this year, man,

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Speaker 5: I'd be like, you know what, you don't have to

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Speaker 4: Maybe call it a washer. We could do a power

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Speaker 4: on my laurels. No lead is safe when it comes

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Speaker 4: We have a lot to get to obviously when it

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Speaker 4: Justin fucking Geechee. Okay, Like, I don't know if I'm

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Speaker 4: getting a gai Chee tattoo. My fantasy football team is

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Speaker 4: already called Team Gaichee. I am an objective party as

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Speaker 4: show me your list, Kenny, because this guy is absolutely incredible.

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Speaker 4: There's just no one really like him. And the fact

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Speaker 4: just another feather in the cap of the highlight Justin Geechee.

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Speaker 5: Which is another reason why he should be in the

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Speaker 5: top three as far as getting paid in the UFC.

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Speaker 5: In my opinion, this guy is going to deliver excitement.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 5: There's certain guys that you have a style, whether reckless

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Speaker 5: matter who he's facing, and it's in barb Ba is

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Speaker 5: a very fast, talented and dangerous striker, and Gaechie was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you. You know, I think that

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Speaker 4: perpetually renegotiate his contracts. But like, if you're justin Geechee, right,

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Speaker 4: we said before this fight more bonuses than UFC fights,

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Speaker 4: and yet again another bonus, So I think it's six

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Speaker 6: But you're right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if this guy isn't making three hundred and

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Speaker 4: I have to check my fan card at the door.

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Speaker 4: When I'm doing a podcast like this, I can just

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Speaker 6: Holy shit, you know what.

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Speaker 4: Like they're just I can't think of a parallel in

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Speaker 4: But I just I can't recall seeing anybody like Justin

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Speaker 6: Absolutely and then listen, there's very few of them.

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Speaker 5: You have your Robbie Lawlers, you have your Tony Ferguson's listen.

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Speaker 5: And it's also the fact that he going out there

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Speaker 5: there's an excitement, there's an authenticity to Justin Gaichie that

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Speaker 5: a lot of fighters are pursuing and claiming to be gay.

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Speaker 6: Chie is that dude, make no mistake of it. He's

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Speaker 4: So when I was interviewing him in the octagon after

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Speaker 4: I don't feel anything in there. You know, sometimes I

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: I think it's something that certainly works to his advantage.

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Speaker 4: But he really just doesn't feel anything in there. And

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Speaker 4: we've talked about guys like John Jones who love fight

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Speaker 4: that absolutely dreaded fight night. Certainly, Gegee is a guy

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Speaker 4: But it's crazy, like, I don't know what you felt

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Speaker 5: He is truly at his best. Some people are born

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Speaker 5: to fight, not everybody is. Gay Chie is absolutely born

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Speaker 5: every single time out, win or lose. He is such

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Speaker 5: a massive asset to the UFC. It really is, and

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Speaker 5: the fans. I mean, this guy is the UFC talk

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Speaker 5: about as reel as it gets. He's authentic. He's not

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Speaker 6: Gay Chee is a real treasure. I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 4: And I'm glad you said that in terms of his

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Speaker 4: all I can really think to say to him is that,

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Speaker 4: So I'm glad you sort of echoed that sentiment. I

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Speaker 4: of our conversations with Justin Gatschee, we sat down with

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Speaker 4: He feels like he has a real inate ability to

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Speaker 4: But there were times in this fight where it was

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Speaker 4: selective engagement, right, it wasn't reckless. And Trevor Whitman said

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Speaker 4: to us on Thursday, you know, he sharpshoots the hell

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Speaker 4: to not just fire himself into the chaos when it ensues.

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Speaker 4: And I thought at times in this fight, even after

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Speaker 5: I think he's a smarter fighter than what he gets

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Speaker 5: That gives power to Justin Gaechee. Now all he has

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Speaker 2: Now, time for the Ray Longo minutes, and I get a.

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Speaker 6: Punch a hole in this fucking chucks that's on the.

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, what is this?

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Speaker 6: What's the problem?

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Speaker 3: Man? It's a big shot doing video games, Kenny.

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Speaker 6: I know, seriously, this guy.

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Speaker 3: Searching for crumb. Just guys in New York.

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Speaker 6: Video games must be nice. So I took an uber Ray.

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Speaker 4: I took an uber to Garden City to law m

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Speaker 6: It's amazing. We talked.

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Speaker 4: We talked about your durability over the last few weeks,

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Speaker 6: Uh dude, what can you tell me about.

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Speaker 3: Well, I gotta sell you first off, man, when you

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Speaker 3: a picks, you know. But he he walked right. I'm

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00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 3: surprised he walked from way easier than I would have anticipated.

436
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about that before you came on the air.

437
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 4: What he said to me in the octagon after the fact.

438
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 4: I don't know why I don't. I don't feel anything

439
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 4: in there. I mean, this dude's crazy.

440
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,159
Speaker 3: Well I think that means he's a psycho pis, but

441
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 3: I'm not really.

442
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 6: Sure in the best of ways.

443
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 3: He's in the best of ways. No, no, no, I'm

444
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 3: a I'm a i'm a Justin Gatchee fan. Man. I

445
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,120
Speaker 3: don't think you cannot be. He's an exciting fricking fighter, man,

446
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 3: he really.

447
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 4: Is, oh the best. So former w s o F

448
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,119
Speaker 4: lightweight champion, five successful title defenses, now five UFC fights,

449
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 4: four of them main events, and as we try to

450
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 4: spin this thing forward, I know you and raging Al

451
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 4: have your sight set on Donald Cowboys Seroni in a

452
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 4: main event. I think it's May fourth and Ottawa, and

453
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 4: rightfully so. But when you look at the landscape of

454
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 4: this lightweight division, for most of us laymen and women,

455
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 4: the fight that seems to make the most sense chronologically

456
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 4: in terms of the rankings is the winner for Justin

457
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 4: gets you that is the winner of this ally Atquenta

458
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 4: Donald Seroni fight.

459
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, or you know, or either or or the

460
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 3: winner of Holloway and Poorier. I mean, those are the

461
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 3: fights that have to be made, you know what I mean?

462
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 3: So if like the UFC has the ability to make

463
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: some really good fights now either way, but it's those

464
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 3: it's the winner, and those other three guys are one

465
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 3: hundred percent in the mix. And you know, like I again,

466
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 3: I would want to see how you know, after a

467
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 3: win with SERONEI get a title shot. So against Gachi,

468
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 3: that's awesome, you know what I'm saying. So that's that's

469
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 3: more the way I'm looking. I think he paid his dues.

470
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 3: He took that out of the fight on last minute notice. Uh,

471
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 3: he did a great job with Kevin Lee, and let's

472
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 3: see what happens. I think Poorier definitely deserved the fight.

473
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 3: Holloway wants to come up. That's gonna be a great fight.

474
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 3: So with with all of those guys, yeah, I agree

475
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 3: with you, but there's some really good fights to make.

476
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 3: But I guess but POORI already beata Chie, so who knows.

477
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 6: I mean, I love those I love those guys. I

478
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 6: love those fights. Guys.

479
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna put this one out there and drop

480
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 5: the mic Tony Ferguson versus Justin Gaegee Boom.

481
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 6: Drop it yet.

482
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,719
Speaker 3: No, you're right though, but we gotta get Ferguson.

483
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 6: Healthy, Yes, true, right mentally physically.

484
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah. When is that guy gonna be ready?

485
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 6: Right?

486
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 4: I mean, could you imagine if they lock that door

487
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 4: behind justin Geegee and Tony Ferguson, imagine, take.

488
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 5: My money absolutely make that one happen, and and and

489
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 5: hopefully Tony gets in.

490
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean there's three or four really good bond

491
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 3: burners in there. Man, They're they're all in there, you know.

492
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 3: But again, I am concentrated just on Alan Serni if

493
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 3: there's a huge fight for him, because I think it's

494
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 3: got big implications afterwards, and uh, anybody after that. But

495
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 3: right now, it's just concentrate on Seroni. Obviously is no joke,

496
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 3: and we'll respect the guy a lot. And you know,

497
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 3: another guy that wants to fight, he might not not

498
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: like this other guy though, right, guy, he's a different

499
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 3: catitle together, man, he's I really enjoyed the crap out

500
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: of that fight.

501
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 6: I got unbelievable.

502
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 4: I think the only complaint you could have is that

503
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 4: maybe we only got two and a half minutes, but

504
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 4: it was absolutely epic. And man, if Gage and Ferguson fight, uh,

505
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 4: I might have to take the night off, just go

506
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 4: go to California, rip some bong hits with the flow

507
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 4: or something right, because that's the one thing is like.

508
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 3: You guys, emotions were great after that fight. That was

509
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 3: that was worth a whole watch in the fight as well,

510
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 3: you know, crazy, you guys went well.

511
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 4: I appreciate you saying that, you know, But it's funny

512
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 4: because Joe Silva would always say to me and Kenny

513
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 4: before we would call fights, like don't be afraid or

514
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 4: don't forget to have fun. And sometimes when you come

515
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 4: to the preparation and we've got thirteen fights and seven

516
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 4: hours of TV, even though we feel like we have

517
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 4: the greatest job in the world, when you sit down

518
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 4: in that seat, as Kenny can attest, fun isn't the

519
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 4: thing that's on the forefront of your mind. You're excited

520
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 4: for the fights and that goes without saying. But there's

521
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: just a lot of work and we take our work seriously.

522
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 4: But fights like that sort of remind you why this

523
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 4: truly is the greatest, most unpredictable sport in the world.

524
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 6: And that's why Gaychie is such a star.

525
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 5: He brings that energy the reason you guys, you know,

526
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 5: brought that energy and had that reaction. Is because of

527
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 5: Justin Gaegee going out there and competing like he does,

528
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 5: like her, he brings the authenticity which brought the authenticity

529
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 5: out of you guys.

530
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 6: And that's why this guy, it really is a superstar.

531
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he's He's done a great job. This

532
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: guy really and again I did a million things that

533
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 3: I read into with him that his mindset is just

534
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 3: at the top of the you know, it's at the

535
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: top of the top level mindset out of anybody I've

536
00:24:59,320 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: ever seen.

537
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 4: Well switching gears for a minute, You'll be happy to

538
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 4: know when doing the video game today, I was able

539
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 4: to drop a few a few Ray Long Goes in

540
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 4: there and a few same Awl's in there. So we

541
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 4: got that same same old al think going on in

542
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 4: the next video game for.

543
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Speaker 3: You, beautiful, I think my day so uh.

544
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 6: So well, thank you, my man.

545
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 4: All right, very quickly on al Jamaine Sterling before we

546
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 4: let you fly. So we have Marlon Medis and Henry

547
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 4: Shudo coming up June eighth in Chicago. A lot of

548
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 4: people are talking about a potential title eliminator between al

549
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 4: Jamaine Sterling and Pedro Muno's Have you heard anything in

550
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 4: terms of a timeline for al Jo on the next opponent.

551
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 4: I nothing, you can tell right.

552
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't even But I heard something about June.

553
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: Maybe that's all al Jo told me. That's what he

554
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: was looking at. Is there a June eight baby or something?

555
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 4: See that to me makes all the sense in the world.

556
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 4: You guys got to make a hard push to be

557
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 4: on that same June eighth car with so Hudo and

558
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 4: Mace because if one of those guys falls.

559
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: Out, Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, man, So big exciting time

560
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: at the gym. These guys are in the right spot,

561
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: they're right way they want to be, and they're putting

562
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: in the work. So whatever happens happens. But it's very

563
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: very exciting, all right.

564
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 4: Last thing before we let you go. A new middleway

565
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 4: contender emerged over the weekend, the Norwegian born in Sweden,

566
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 4: Jack Hermanson, with a huge win against David Branch five

567
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 4: finishes in his last six fights. He didn't say anything

568
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 4: about Chris Wadman with me in the octagon, but backstage

569
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 4: he talked about that matchup. Certainly, I think it's a

570
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 4: long shot right now, given what body of work Chris

571
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 4: has put on paper and given the fact that Hermanson

572
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 4: wasn't even ranked going into the David Branch fight. But

573
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 4: did you see the Hermanson fighting did you have any

574
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 4: thoughts on it?

575
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 3: I saw a man fighting. I thought the submission was.

576
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: I love David Branch, I mean literally one of the

577
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 3: nicest guys you'll meet. I always have a great time

578
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: bullshit with him. But I thought that submission was wild.

579
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: The way he set that up. Yeah, for sure, Yeah,

580
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 3: I thought it was great. I thought it was he

581
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 3: did a great job against a really, really, really good

582
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: high level black belt, So yeah, that's off to him. Anson.

583
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: I think he did a fantastic job. And just the

584
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: way he set that up. I never saw that before.

585
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: But I haven't been on the mat in about fifteen years,

586
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: but it looked good to me.

587
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, fifteen years for you, fifteen months for me. But

588
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 4: who's counting?

589
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: But Kenny, that was it. That was a cool setup.

590
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 6: No, definitely, man, definitely, And listen, I agree with you.

591
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 5: I've trained with David Branch back in the day and

592
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 5: I did not I tell you what I slept on

593
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 5: Jack Romanson. I didn't think you would be able to

594
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 5: get it done, let alone get it done on the

595
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 5: ground against David Brandt, so pressed the hell out of

596
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 5: pressed the hell out of me.

597
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Widenman's too much for him. But if

598
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: that's the fight they want, maybe Widman needs a break

599
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 3: at this point. He just fights top level guys all

600
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: the time. So right, who knows?

601
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 4: So next UFC event for you, is it going to

602
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 4: be May fourth and Ottawa? No?

603
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: On April thirteenth, I got Provola fight.

604
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 4: Oh Matt, the steam roll of Ravola coming up in

605
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 4: Atlantamie who he's owned the tarantula right here?

606
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got to give the steam roll

607
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: a little love. So be April thirteenth. I'm gonna try

608
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: to get in and out on that one to get

609
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: back for al right, And then yeah we go right

610
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: down with Marab and now so big break stuff for

611
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: the gym and in between then doing the show with

612
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: the Garden with some local kickboxes and stuff like that.

613
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: But I at least I can get in and out

614
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: on that. So busy, busy time as usual.

615
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: So I've noticed you the movie roles continue to pile

616
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 4: up for Ray Longo. I don't know that you're promoting

617
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 4: your involvements. I don't know that you're promoting your involvement

618
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: as well as you should. But dude, how are all

619
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 4: these motion pictures coming together? You got legitimate acting, chops.

620
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 4: You must really enjoy this stuff.

621
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: I'll tell you. It's a it's a great release for me.

622
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: It's it's really fun. It's challenging because I've never done

623
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: it before. And you know, I got to do a

624
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: little martial arts in that last short, which was great,

625
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: and you didn't get the final scene of that. But

626
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: now it's really cool. But I loved the disarm My

627
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: thought came out great. And that's, you know, just just

628
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: having fun. Man, that's it. But who knows.

629
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 4: Who knows the most badass bartender I've ever seen in

630
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 4: my life?

631
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: That's it? Well I was, I was running the liquor store.

632
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 4: But see, okay, sorry, all right, all right, Ray Longo,

633
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: great stuff, buddy. We will go deeper on Fravola and

634
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 4: Jalen Turner next week. Turner seems like he's six seven,

635
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 4: so we'll talk about that next week.

636
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 6: Buddy. Thanks for the time.

637
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: Awesome, all right, guys, take it easy. Man.

638
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: The great Ray Longo here every week on the and

639
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 4: Floring Podcast, dating to episode one back in April of

640
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen. So I touched on the wrestling fatigue thing

641
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: a little bit with Ray Longo, Kenny and I respect Gaichie.

642
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 4: When when we're in our fighter meeting on Thursday and

643
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 4: Domina Cruz is sort of pressing him, even though Ed's

644
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 4: and Barbosa came in statistically with the best takedown defense

645
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 4: among active lightweights, Geechee that was not gonna be what

646
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 4: he was going to lean on. And he basically said,

647
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: He's like, you can't pin him, right, And I know

648
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 4: you can submit him, but Justin Geichee is certainly not

649
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 4: a submission guy. But I think for wrestlers that aren't

650
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 4: offensive BJJ guys, it's like, yeah, I could take him down,

651
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: but dude, I'm not going to try to pin him

652
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: and I want to entertain the fans and that's just

653
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 4: not going to be the way I fight. And that's

654
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 4: it for sure.

655
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 5: And listen, you got to look at where your strengths

656
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 5: are and if perhaps you have a wrestling style that

657
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 5: exerts a lot more energy, then you're probably gonna avoid

658
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 5: that or not do it as much. So I totally

659
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 5: get that that is a guy in Justin Gaigie who's

660
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 5: you know, looking at his strengths and weaknesses as a

661
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 5: fighter and what he can do against the guy that

662
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 5: he's going against, and how he matches up against that

663
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 5: person and utilizing that style, and he's doing it with

664
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 5: great success so far. So you know, can't he be

665
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 5: a little bit safer. Sure, there's always improvement and technique

666
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 5: and all that, but whatever Gechee's doing, it's working so far.

667
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: Man, What a fucking animal. Congratulations to Justin Gaeche and

668
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 4: we talked a little bit about the Tony Ferguson fight

669
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 4: and remains to be seen as to how Tony Ferguson's

670
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: personal situation is going to work itself out, but he

671
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 4: is training and hopefully he can return in the not

672
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 4: too distant future. I think that fight makes a lot

673
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 4: of sense as a main event on ESPN potentially. And

674
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 4: the other reason why I think it makes a lot

675
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: of sense is because Max Holloway and Dustin Poier are

676
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 4: fighting for the interim Lightweight Championship twelve days from now,

677
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 4: and in theory Kenny the Winner's gonna fight cub eatn

678
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 4: Rmago Medow. Dana White has come out and said as much,

679
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 4: and I know sometimes they reverse course, but correct me

680
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 4: if I'm wrong. If Kabib is fighting the winner of

681
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 4: Poorier and Holloway, it's going to be at least one

682
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 4: more fight for Justin Gaichee. And you know I'll throw

683
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 4: out Tony Ferguson, I, Aquina Seroni, maybe Anthony Showtime Pettis.

684
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 4: I mean, you gotta think Gaigie's next opponent comes out

685
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 4: of that mix.

686
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 6: I agree absolutely. That's why you know.

687
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 5: I think it's something that makes sense the way that

688
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 5: you know things are heading. I think Ferguson engate you

689
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 5: will be looking for dance partners. Why not put them

690
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 5: both in there? That would be an absolute classic. I mean,

691
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 5: how can it not?

692
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: And coddor McGregor with another likely semi retirement, I know

693
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 4: neither of us put too much stock in that, but

694
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 4: it mains to be seen as whether not Connor McGregor

695
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 4: is going to fight at all in twenty nineteen. As

696
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 4: far as where Edson Barboza goes from here, you know

697
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: he's not hell bent on winning a UFC championship like

698
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 4: a lot of these lightweight contenders are. And I don't

699
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 4: say that to knock him right, but when I ask

700
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 4: certain guys like David Branch if he will ever be

701
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 4: able to enjoy his retirement and be satisfied if he

702
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 4: doesn't at least get a chance to fight for the

703
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 4: UFC middleweight title. He says, it's going to eat away

704
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 4: at me for the rest of the life, the rest

705
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 4: of my life. And David Branch is a guy Kenny

706
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: who won two major titles right in two different divisions,

707
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: and defended the belts multiple times, right, So it's not

708
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 4: like he doesn't have any belts at home, and yet

709
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 4: he will be totally unsatisfied if he doesn't realize a

710
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 4: UFC championship opportunity. For Edson Barbosa, he's already entrenched as

711
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 4: one of the best strikers in UFC history. I think

712
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 4: a borderline Hall of Fame type guy, but probably not

713
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 4: a UFC Hall of Famer. Has as good a highlight

714
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 4: reel as anybody in the sport. A significant setback, I

715
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 4: think in terms of his lightweight contention, but this is

716
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 4: always going to be a guy who entertains and is

717
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 4: going to find himself in big spots. In terms of

718
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: the championship aspiration, this will be a tough one, I

719
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 4: think to come back.

720
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 5: I agree listen. I think as far as having that mindset,

721
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 5: it's interesting, Listen. I think that if it was up

722
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 5: to me, or if I would give advice to a fighter,

723
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 5: I think you have to have the championship mindset. You

724
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 5: have to be working towards a championship belt because that's

725
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 5: what's going to propel you during your training, that's what's

726
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 5: going to motivate you during your training, during your fights,

727
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 5: all that stuff. If you're not looking to be the best,

728
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 5: then what are you looking to do?

729
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 6: Are you looking for a paycheck?

730
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 5: Because now that motivation, now that sharpness, I think goes away, and.

731
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 6: I think we should be trying to do the highest possible.

732
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 5: Shooting for the stars, shooting for that belt, I think

733
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 5: is a way to do that. I think sometimes if

734
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 5: you don't have that mindset, not to say it happens

735
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 5: for everybody, but sometimes it can make you soft, and

736
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 5: it can make you lose some of the fights that

737
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 5: maybe you should have won.

738
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 4: Sure, and I'm not saying that his kids are making

739
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 4: him soft, right girl. His son Noah is for and

740
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 4: he said to me, and this is a direct quote,

741
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 4: every day I do everything in training to be a champion.

742
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 4: So it's not like he's not putting in the right work,

743
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 4: but he just doesn't seem quite as obsessed with winning

744
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 4: a UFC championship as you were, as Justin Gatschee was.

745
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 4: I know, your back ultimately cut your short a little bit,

746
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 4: cut short your career a little bit. I know you

747
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 4: got a little bit of a late start relatively speaking,

748
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 4: but you just weren't going to be a guy who

749
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 4: hung around for paychecks if the UFC championship opportunity wasn't

750
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 4: coming your way.

751
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 5: No, no, definitely, And listen, that was my goal if

752
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 5: for me, if I'm gonna do something, I want to

753
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 5: try to go all and you know it didn't work

754
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 5: out for me, but I had a lot of fun,

755
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 5: got to face the best, and that in the end

756
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 5: was what I was trying to do.

757
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 6: And I think what every fighter really wants to do.

758
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 5: And again, in Barbosa's case, I'm not saying that you

759
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 5: know he's not giving his best. It's a different approach psychologically,

760
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 5: and you got to do what works for you at

761
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 5: the end of the day.

762
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 6: All right.

763
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 4: A couple other things on this UFC Philadelphia card. I

764
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 4: know you've been busy with a lot of things and

765
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 4: didn't see all of these fights, but I have some

766
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 4: general thoughts on some of these fights and wanted to

767
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: get yours. So Michael Johnson and Josh m It was

768
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 4: a very tactical fight, not a lot of shots landed

769
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 4: really on either side, but Johnson appeared to be the

770
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 4: more effective striker, and then with less than a minute

771
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: Togo I think forty five seconds, Josh Emmett just knocks

772
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 4: him stiff and changes obviously the whole complexion of that

773
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 4: fight and Michael Johnson's immediate career. Instead of three consecutive

774
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 4: wins for Michael, the menas Johnson and a whole lot

775
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 4: of featherweight momentum, now he's on a losing streak and

776
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 4: here's a guy with twenty one UFC fights, he's eleven

777
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: and ten and forced to sort of rebuild himself yet again.

778
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 4: I think this is a very difficult pill to swallow

779
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: for Michael Johnson. But I spent some time with him

780
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 4: after the fight, and I said to him, you know,

781
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 4: you're the only man in the UFC to beat Tony Ferguson.

782
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 4: You have a win over Edson Barbosa, a main event

783
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 4: win over Dustin Pourier. I think you have to mentally

784
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 4: be of the belief that on any given Saturday night,

785
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 4: you can beat any featherweight in the world, including Max Holloway.

786
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 4: And if you go back into training with that mentality,

787
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 4: I almost think for MJ at this stage of his career,

788
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 4: that's kind of the only way to proceed, you know,

789
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 4: to just be long on self belief and hope you

790
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 4: get the right fights in the right chances.

791
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 6: Without a doubt. Man, And you're absolutely right.

792
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 5: I think Michael Johnson has showed has shown flashes of

793
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 5: brilliance in a bunch of high level UFC fights against

794
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 5: some excellent competition. So I think, yeah, that's where you

795
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 5: have to kind of just build yourself back up, look

796
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 5: at what you're doing this for, and get back in there. Man,

797
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 5: that was a devastating knockout by Emmett, and it hurts

798
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 5: that much more the fact that you know he was

799
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 5: winning that fight.

800
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 6: This sport is crazy, man, it really is crazy.

801
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 5: You zig when you should have zagged, and that's gonna

802
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 5: be the difference, and I think it will be a

803
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 5: great lesson for him moving forward. But sometimes, yeah, those

804
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 5: pills are tough to swallow, but you just have to

805
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 5: look at what you're doing it for. You have to

806
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 5: look at the good things also in the fight. Sometimes

807
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 5: that can be tough to look at, but you have

808
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 5: to look at the overall picture. Sometimes we get caught

809
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 5: up so much in the result that we don't see

810
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 5: all the good work that we're doing. Michael Johnson has

811
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 5: been doing some good work, and he's also musty TV

812
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 5: as well, also an action pack fighter.

813
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 6: I agree.

814
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 4: I think you summed up sort of his career and

815
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: the body of work pretty well. He's also talked just

816
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 4: about having some mental lapses righty out of mental laps

817
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: in the Gay Chee fight that cost him said with

818
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 4: Kabib took him down, he just lost focus and mentally

819
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 4: just wasn't there the rest of the fight. But he

820
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 4: certainly a guy whos let some opportunities slip away. But

821
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 4: he's still got some name recognition, and I still I

822
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 4: agree with you. I think he's an exciting fighter and

823
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 4: one of the nicest guys on this roster, and he

824
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 4: will certainly be back. The other side of this is

825
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 4: Josh Emmett, and I'm not going to sit here and

826
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 4: say he's the biggest power threat at one hundred and

827
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 4: forty five pounds. But he's certainly in the discussion. This

828
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 4: knockout and the knockdown his seventh knockdown in his last

829
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: four fights at one hundred and forty five pounds, and Kenny,

830
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 4: when he lost to Jeremy Stevens at the hospital in Orlando,

831
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 4: they missed a lot of things in terms of some

832
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 4: of the fractures and some of the things that he

833
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 4: was dealing with, and he told us the whole story. Right,

834
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 4: So goes back to Sacramento. Multiple facial fractures, an internal

835
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 4: fracture of his orbital floor. I mean, it was just

836
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: one thing after the next. And We're sitting across from

837
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 4: this guy on Thursday and I'm like, oh my god.

838
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 4: You know, my inner monologue is, hey, bro, you sure

839
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 4: you want to hop in there with Mike. You just

840
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 4: want to maybe go do something else for a living?

841
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 4: Had verdict go after the fact and we talk about

842
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 4: how unforgiving and ruthless this sport is, but thrill and agony, right,

843
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 4: gives you an opportunity to produce something like this. And

844
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 4: for Josh Emmon, I know he didn't get the bonus

845
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 4: that he was looking for. And crazy to think that

846
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 4: you can be in the Sports Center Top ten and

847
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 4: not get a bonus. But this is just you gotta

848
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: be happy for the guy, you know, whether he's your

849
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 4: favorite fighter or not. To go through what he went

850
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 4: through after that Jeremy Stevens fight and over the last year,

851
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 4: with all the self doubt and all the injury and

852
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 4: all the pain, to be able to come back and

853
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 4: knock a guy out like that got to be the

854
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 4: most special night of Josh Emmont's professional life.

855
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 5: And talk about a gut check man, Okay, because you

856
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 5: look at it in boxing, mixed martial arts, kickboxing, whatever

857
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 5: it is, some guys, and I would say some, I'll

858
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 5: say most guys. When your face is broken, you are

859
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 5: rarely the same. When you know that your skull or

860
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 5: your face can be fractured or broken, it is rare

861
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 5: that guys come back the same and with the same style.

862
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 5: Josh Emmett was still willing to get hit and hit

863
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 5: himself and he was able to go out at the

864
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 5: knockout over a very fast and dangerous striker in Michael Johnson.

865
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Speaker 5: So it shows that this is a courageous dude. Josh

866
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Speaker 5: Emmett is a very good guy. He's a humble guy

867
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 5: and the fact that he was able to get back

868
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Speaker 5: on his horse recover from that nasty injury which ended

869
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 5: up hit him losing to a very dangerous striker in

870
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 5: Jeremy Stevens, shows that this guy truly is a real

871
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 5: fighter and knows how to deal with adversity both in

872
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 5: and out of the octagon.

873
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 4: And he was really motivated by the matchup because he

874
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 4: knows and said as much how good Michael Johnson is,

875
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 4: so you gotta feel good for josh Emmont. And I

876
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 4: always say to fighters, you know, despite the fact that

877
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 4: we had a lot of decisions on Saturday Night, Kenny,

878
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 4: there was still a lot of competition for bonus money.

879
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 4: And to anybody out there listening that happens to be

880
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 4: a mixed martial arts fighter in the UFC, when you

881
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 4: go bonus begging on the microphone, it's just not always

882
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 4: a great look. And I'm not saying that they panalized

883
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: him for doing that, but I just feel like when

884
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 4: I've been in there, more often than not, when a

885
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 4: guy is asking for a bonus after the fact publicly

886
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 4: on national TV, you don't cut the line and go

887
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 4: to the front. Not saying to go to the back,

888
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 4: but I just never think it's a good look. But

889
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 4: certainly Josh Emma is backing in a big way and

890
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: we'll see where he goes from here. I know you

891
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 4: did not see the fight in its entirety between Michelle

892
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 4: Waterson and Carolina covial Kaevitch, but I just want to

893
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 4: spend a few minutes on the karate hotty because she

894
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: turned pro back in two thousand and seven, and you know,

895
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 4: former and Victor F.

896
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 6: C Adam Wait champion.

897
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: Maybe she's a natural one hundred and five pound fighter,

898
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 4: but when you look at her right now with the

899
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 4: muscle mass that she's added, I think she's a bona

900
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 4: fide strawweight. But she just does everything the right way

901
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 4: and is such a good person. And now she has

902
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 4: three consecutive wins, all as betting underdog against Courtney Casey,

903
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 4: Felice Herrig and now Carolina Covialkaevitch. She was able to

904
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 4: take covial Kaevich down. Covil Kaevich came in with the

905
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 4: best takedown defense statistically in UFC straweight history, was able

906
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 4: to take her down, control her great ground control from

907
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 4: Michelle Waterson, and just to see her produce once again

908
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 4: in a big spot. I'm not saying that she's going

909
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 4: to get a title fight next because I think Tachiana

910
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 4: Suarez and Nina answer Off are likely to have their

911
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: fight produce the next number one contender, But just got

912
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 4: to feel good for a really good woman and mother

913
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 4: the Karate Hotty to continue on her upward trajectory here

914
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 4: in the octagon.

915
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 6: Couldn't agree more with you.

916
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 5: Michelle Waterson is one of the sweetest people you will

917
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 5: meet in this sport, and the fact that she is

918
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 5: improving her game and adding these new weapons I think

919
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 5: is huge for her, especially in this division.

920
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 6: We've been seeing.

921
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,479
Speaker 5: Her kind of throwing these takedowns, mixing these takedowns more

922
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 5: in her last couple fights, and it is really paying

923
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 5: off her ground game, her wrestling. The fact that she's

924
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 5: doing this just adds another dimension to what she's capable of.

925
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 5: And the fact that she was able to do this

926
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 5: against Carolyn and Kobu Keevia, who you know, again does

927
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 5: have takedown defense and I didn't think Michelle would be

928
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 5: able to do it and pull it off, and the

929
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 5: fact that she was able to do it, I think

930
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 5: is huge and.

931
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 6: She's on her way.

932
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 5: Maybe she's not gonna fight next, but she's a couple

933
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 5: fights away from potentially fighting for the world championship belt

934
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 5: and that is huge for her. Couldn't have happened to

935
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 5: a nicer girl. And Matt, she's putting together an excellent

936
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 5: win streak all right.

937
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 4: In Jack Hermanson, he has now won three straight five

938
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 4: of his last six. If you don't know his backstory,

939
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 4: his father took his own life when Jack was nine

940
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 4: years old. His mom, Christina, he called the most kind,

941
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 4: warm hearted, nicest person I've ever met. And it's really

942
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 4: exciting for Jack to get the bonus. You know, he

943
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 4: has major visions to try to help his mother and

944
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 4: potentially buy her a house, and this is certainly a

945
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 4: step in the right direction. It was an outstanding submission.

946
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 4: He vaults into middleway title contention. Really feel good for

947
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 4: Jack Hermanson. And last thing before we get out of here.

948
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 4: So ray Borgan case to Kenny fought to a decision.

949
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: Now I throw out my scorecard because I'm calling the fight,

950
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 4: but most of the MEETIA believe that ray Borg won

951
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 4: this fight two rounds to one against Casey Kenny.

952
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 6: And I just feel really badly for ray Borg.

953
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 4: I know he missed weight right, and to me, you

954
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 4: know how little tolerance I have when guys miss weight.

955
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 4: You know, when Violent Bob Ross won his fight a

956
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 4: couple weeks ago, we didn't even discuss it here on

957
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 4: the show because I don't want to dignify it as

958
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 4: a featherweight win when a guy misses weight. Rayborg has

959
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 4: said there were some circumstances that resulted in him coming

960
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 4: in heavy, and he said those will come to light eventually.

961
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 4: So if we can table the weight miss for a

962
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 4: second and just focus on this fight and the fact

963
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: that this was a prize fight for him, right, This

964
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 4: was a money fight for him. Right With everything that

965
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 4: his son and his family has been through. His son, Anthony,

966
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 4: who just turned one on March twenty seventh, he's had

967
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 4: seven brain surgeries hydrocephalis, it's an incurable brain disease fluid

968
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: build up. Ray Borg's lost six fights over the last

969
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: two years, some because he was dealing with his son.

970
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 4: He had an eyelap because of the Connor McGregor bus attack,

971
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 4: and goes out there with all of those different emotions

972
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 4: can flow. And even though he did missweight, I thought

973
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 4: he beat Casey Kenny and that would have doubled his money,

974
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 4: and gosh, you know, for you and me as young fathers,

975
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 4: I just I don't know, man, Like, I'm happy to

976
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 4: have Casey Kenny in the UFC, and he certainly is

977
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: a credentialed UFC fighter and a guy who I think

978
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 4: is going to be a problem. But my heart just

979
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: goes out to this ray Borg family.

980
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 6: Man.

981
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: I know that's gonna fall on some deaf ears because

982
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 4: of the weight miss, but it's just like, I don't

983
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 4: know how much more adversity one man, one fighter can take.

984
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 4: To be honest with, Yeah.

985
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 5: You know, John, a lot of times we see someone

986
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 5: who's upset or angry or you know, they've fallen on

987
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 5: hard times, and we were very quick to label that

988
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 5: that person and say, you know, that person needs to

989
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 5: be in a better mood and that person needs to

990
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 5: get a shit together that blah blah. Try putting yourself

991
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 5: in Rayborg shoes for a second. Okay, let's just you know,

992
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 5: the fact that he's a professional fighter working his ass

993
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 5: off day in a day and doesn't get go his

994
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 5: way that is heartbreaking. And you add in the fact

995
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 5: that him and his wife have been dealing with one

996
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 5: of the most difficult things you need to deal with,

997
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 5: and that's having a defenseless child deal with surgery after surgery.

998
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 5: That's his welcome into this world, and you're dealing with that,

999
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 5: not sure if your kid is gonna survive the next

1000
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 5: twenty four hours, or you know, seeing your kid in pain.

1001
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 6: And this is a baby.

1002
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 5: This isn't like a seven eight year old, which is

1003
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 5: tough as well, but this is his introduction into the

1004
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 5: world and you're dealing with all this stuff. Oh, by

1005
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 5: the way, you got to get ready for a dude

1006
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 5: who wants to put you in the face and you

1007
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 5: don't have a just I mean, it's awful, man, it's

1008
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 5: heart wrenching. So that is really, really tough. I can't

1009
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 5: even imagine. I wish Ray the best. I hope that

1010
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 5: there's other ways that he can make that money back.

1011
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 5: But man, you know, see is there's got to be

1012
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 5: something that's in store for him. There's some kind of

1013
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 5: lesson or some kind of light at the end of

1014
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 5: the tunnel for him and his family, and I hope

1015
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 5: they find it soon.

1016
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 6: Matt. It's man, what a last couple of years for him.

1017
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 4: It's crazy, man, he's twenty five years old. And I

1018
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 4: mean I can add more to the story and make

1019
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 4: it sure worse, right. I mean, he had a gi

1020
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 4: tear and kidney issues that prevented him from from taking

1021
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 4: one fight. Right before the Dimitrius Johnson fight, he took

1022
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 4: custody of his seven year old niece who he's now

1023
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 4: raising because they're just some family issues there that he's

1024
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 4: dealing with. It was a five hundred and thirty nine

1025
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 4: day layoff for ray Borg, and there's been a lot

1026
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 4: of people, Brendan shop chief among them, that have really

1027
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: helped him financially as he tries to navigate this. But

1028
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 4: my heart goes out to ray Borg and it was

1029
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 4: certainly hard to see him after the fact, but hopefully

1030
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 4: better days ahead for the Tez Mexican Devil ray Borg.

1031
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 4: All right, we got to bounce on out of here. BattleBots,

1032
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 4: Becken Ty, you got battle Bots next week? When don't

1033
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 4: you start? What is this season four?

1034
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 6: Season four? Ma man? It will be on Discovery Channel.

1035
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 5: I think we start sometime near the middle of April,

1036
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 5: So getting ready for that, and I'm excited filming that

1037
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 5: here at so Cal And uh can't.

1038
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: Wait a minute?

1039
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 4: Sounds good man? All Right, we are back with you

1040
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 4: next Monday, the eighth of April. We will update the

1041
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 4: main event challenge standings at that time. You can see

1042
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 4: just how swollen this lead is for Team Anick. And

1043
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,959
Speaker 4: we've also got at least seven predictions I believe coming

1044
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 4: your way for UFC two thirty six Holloway versus poy

1045
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 4: A two and also the Innim Middleway Championship fight between

1046
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 4: Israel outa Sonya and Kelvin Gasolom, first title fight for

1047
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 4: both Gasolam and out of Sonya. That should be good too.

1048
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 6: Oh that's good.

1049
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 4: I like all right with that for Ray longo TJ.

1050
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: DeSantis and Ken Flow John and saying so long for now.

1051
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 4: Thank y'all for listening. We will talk to you in

1052
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 4: less than seven days. Until then, justin Gatchie, it's your world, baby,

1053
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:53,320
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