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Speaker 1: But at that point she had started to find herself again,

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is there and Gone. South Street,

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Speaker 2: Episode two, Personal.

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Speaker 3: I Know.

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Speaker 4: Is I say in my dream, reached out on the

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Speaker 4: door for you and last to me, I'll never give up,

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Speaker 4: no matter how.

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Speaker 1: I open my.

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Speaker 4: Define Gone.

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Speaker 2: Just to note that the views and opinions expressed in

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Speaker 2: this podcast are solely those of the individuals participating. This

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Speaker 2: podcast also contains subject matter that may not be suitable

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Speaker 2: for everyone. Discretion is advised. The iconic South Street is

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Speaker 2: a melting pot of Philadelphia's culture. It has something for everyone.

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Speaker 2: That's where I recently met with FBI agent Fido Rosselli.

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Speaker 2: As you can imagine, he spent a good amount of

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Speaker 2: his career on South Street investigating Danielle Imbo and Richard Petrone,

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Speaker 2: the two that went missing in February of two thousand

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Speaker 5: Soud Street very popular area.

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Speaker 6: You got different bars on one side, you got you know,

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Speaker 6: It's so it's a pretty lively place. It's not a

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Speaker 2: It was cold, dreary the day I met up with

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Speaker 2: The weather felt fitting to the topic of conversation. As

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Speaker 2: I looked up and realized we were standing in front

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Speaker 7: Danielle and Richard were last seen between eleven thirty and

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Speaker 7: eleven forty five pm, leaving Abilene's bar. Abilene's was a

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Speaker 2: I have a picture of Veto from that day. He

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Speaker 2: look at it. The building is a restaurant now, but

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and five, Abilenees was a two story bar.

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Speaker 5: On the weekends, that particular area fourth in South Street

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Speaker 2: I asked Vito what Abilene's was like that night.

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Speaker 8: Abilene's was crowded both first and second floor. The band

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Speaker 8: that because he favored that band. That's why Richard was there,

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Speaker 7: Matter of fact, a lot of their friends, both on

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Speaker 2: the sense that Danielle and Richard were close. The relationship

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Speaker 2: Vido's colleague Jerry Williams called what happened to Danielle and

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Speaker 2: family owned a bakery called Biking Pastries. It was an

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Speaker 10: He worked very hard in the bakery. He lived right upstairs,

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Speaker 2: Marge told me Richard never settled down and got married,

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Speaker 2: Richard was famous for his wedding cakes. I'll tell you

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Speaker 10: He made the roses and a bride could come in.

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Speaker 2: Most people were surprised that these gorgeous wedding cakes came

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Speaker 10: My outgoing, bubbly nature he definitely got from me. His

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Speaker 10: He made him listen to music from when he was

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Speaker 2: Going to concerts was Richard's thing, and he loved sharing

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Speaker 10: I think it was a lotus more set.

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Speaker 12: It was the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Richard's cousin Stacy Richard had every rock album under the

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Speaker 12: Metallica, Iron Maiden, and Bruce Springsteen.

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Speaker 12: There was always laughter and noise and music from his

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Speaker 12: I'd come around the bend and lo and behold, there'd

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Speaker 2: He was a practical joker. I had heard about Richard's

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Speaker 12: If it was a sports related activity, Richard drove in

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Speaker 12: You were hoping for the ball, not the puck. And

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Speaker 12: I'll just never forget. We were out in the driveway

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Speaker 2: All he could do is just live, but just in

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Speaker 2: Richard had a soft and sensitive side to him, and

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Speaker 12: He stepped right into the role of raising that.

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Speaker 12: I can remember teaching him different hair styles.

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Speaker 2: He did Angela's hair in the morning, and he made

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Speaker 12: She was fed and that she was fooled, and that

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Speaker 2: He was a good He was a very good father.

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Speaker 13: I know he could have used somehow by which I was,

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Speaker 2: Good, managed to get a lot of help from his family,

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Speaker 2: And he was very very close with his mother.

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Speaker 3: My dad raised me up until I was about thirteen

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Speaker 3: We lived on top of the bakery that my family owned.

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Speaker 2: Today Ange has a child of her own and said

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Speaker 3: He would literally be rushing to finish wedding cakes, like

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Speaker 1: I always envied that I didn't have the confidence and

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Speaker 2: She wanted to live her life. She moved to New

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Speaker 2: There is a saying that women married guys to remind

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Speaker 1: I got him a job. We started working together. I

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Speaker 14: She had a convertible, so we would go pick up

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Speaker 14: We always had a great time when we went out

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Speaker 14: John and I were watching Sopranos. It was a Sunday

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Speaker 14: and the phone rings and it's Danielle and you know,

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Speaker 14: And John saying, tell her we'll call her back, tell

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Speaker 14: my goodness, we're going to be pregnant together. This is amazing.

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Speaker 2: And she starts crying and she's like you're not mad?

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Speaker 14: And I said mad.

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Speaker 7: Why would I be mad?

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Speaker 14: And she said, because I don't want it to be

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Speaker 14: I'm like, this is amazing. I said, no, I am

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Speaker 2: They were going to have each other and their kids

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Speaker 14: Every night after work, Her and I would go and

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Speaker 2: John remembers how happy his sister was.

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Speaker 1: She would just look at him and she huge, stark crisch.

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Speaker 1: Isn't he the most beautiful thing you'd ever say? We're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Danielle's beautiful. We got it. Yes, She was a great mom.

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Speaker 2: Life was good for the Atobreys and the Inmbos, any

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Speaker 2: By two thousand and four, Danielle and Joe Imbo were

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Speaker 1: Joe, you know, he was in the football of course,

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Speaker 2: Football was a Sunday ritual at John's house. John said

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Speaker 1: So we went to one super Bowl, then we went

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Speaker 1: We're getting ready to go to the Super Bowl and

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Speaker 2: First it was mother Nature, then the flu bug tour

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Speaker 1: Both the girls are sick, my wife, my sister definitely ill.

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Speaker 1: bail out. I said Joe, I'm not going to go.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy. I want to go, but I can't leave.

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Speaker 1: I'm still going, and he goes with my friends.

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Speaker 14: your wife not feeling great and still having to take

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Speaker 2: You might remember the two thousand and four Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: for Tom Brady and the Patriots holding on to beat

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Speaker 2: the Panthers. That was the game with the halftime show

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Speaker 2: that featured the infamous wardrobe malfunction between Janet Jackson and

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Speaker 2: Justin Timberlake. That was a memorable game, and Joe Imbo

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Speaker 2: got to see it all, at least he was supposed to.

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Speaker 1: He meets this girl on the plane and has an affair.

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Speaker 2: John said. As soon as word got back to him,

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Speaker 2: he immediately called up every one of his friends who

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Speaker 2: went on that trip to find out what the hell happened.

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Speaker 1: And they're like, dude, I don't know all I know

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Speaker 1: is he met this girl. He was sat next to

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Speaker 1: her on the plane. He was talking to her the

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Speaker 1: whole time, and we didn't see him the whole trip.

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Speaker 2: John learned that while all of his guys were at

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Speaker 2: the game, Joe was busy fumbling away his marriage. But

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Speaker 2: things were about to go from bad to worse.

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Speaker 1: Joe comes home. Then y'all still sick, the baby's still sick.

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Speaker 1: Then y'all said, hey, Han, Howard's your trip. And he's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't love you. I was never in love with you,

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Speaker 1: and I'm leaving. He moved out and filed for divorce.

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Speaker 1: That's how the bomb was dropped. Next thing you know,

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Speaker 1: he's talking about moving to Atlanta to go live with

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Speaker 1: this girl and her kid.

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Speaker 14: It's like a movie, you know, like one day you

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Speaker 14: wake up and you're angry that your husband left you

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Speaker 14: and your child while you were sick, needs to grow

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Speaker 14: on a plane, and then just leaves you.

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Speaker 2: Jody told me she was shopping with her twin boys

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Speaker 2: at Target when she got a phone call from Danielle.

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Speaker 14: I was pushing the kids in a stroller in the

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Speaker 14: parking lot and I stopped in and I was like,

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Speaker 14: excuse me, and she said, yeah, he just packed up

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Speaker 14: all of his stuff. Where are you can I come over?

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Speaker 14: I just waited for in the parking lot and she

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Speaker 14: got there, put little Joe in the stroller, and you know,

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Speaker 14: she was hysterical. I don't know what to do do

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Speaker 14: I just keep calling them and telling them that try

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Speaker 14: to work this out. I don't want this. We literally

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Speaker 14: walked through Target for three hours, just talking about different

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Speaker 14: things of what she wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: Just to put this into perspective, all of this happened

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Speaker 2: just about a year before Danielle and Richard disappeared, and

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Speaker 2: John said, once Danielle and Joe's marriage started falling apart,

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Speaker 2: it sent Danielle's spiraling.

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Speaker 1: It just got dark. She didn't eat, she didn't sleep

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Speaker 1: this whole time, she's asking him, why are you doing this?

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what happened. Everything was fine, and you left,

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Speaker 1: you came back, and now you never loved me, like

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Speaker 1: you don't love me anymore.

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Speaker 2: Joe packed up and moved down to Atlanta to be

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Speaker 2: with the woman he had an affair with at the

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Speaker 2: super Bowl. By that spring of two thousand and four,

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Speaker 2: Danielle and Joe's son celebrated his first birthday. There was,

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Speaker 2: of course, cake and ice cream and plenty of presents,

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Speaker 2: and Danielle was doing it all by herself.

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Speaker 14: He was living his new life with this girl. And

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Speaker 14: each day she would call him and you wouldn't answer,

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Speaker 14: or if he did, he just didn't want to be bothered.

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Speaker 14: Some days she would call me sad and crying, saying

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Speaker 14: I miss him. I do want him back, I do

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Speaker 14: want him to come home. I don't want little Joe

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Speaker 14: to grow up without a father. I just want everything

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Speaker 14: to be the way it was.

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Speaker 2: But according to John, the damage was already done.

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Speaker 1: She was not the same person after that. She was

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Speaker 1: self conscious, pride all the time, Chaine smoked, lost a

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Speaker 1: ton of ways. She would call herself a two time loser.

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Speaker 1: Here I am a two time loser with two failed marriages.

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Speaker 2: Most surprising, Jody said, Danielle was still open to reconciling

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Speaker 2: with Joe.

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Speaker 14: I don't know if it was necessarily that she loved

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Speaker 14: him so much that she wanted to get back with him.

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Speaker 14: She just did not want little Joe growing up in

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Speaker 14: a broken home if it meant him coming home after

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Speaker 14: what he did. But little Joe had a father, at

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Speaker 14: home and always grew up with a family. She would

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Speaker 14: have done that for him.

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Speaker 2: But Jody had some advice for Danielle.

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Speaker 14: My answer to her was, if you two are only

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Speaker 14: going to be fighting in front of him, it's not

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Speaker 14: good for him. So if you want to just walk

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Speaker 14: away from this, no one will think any less of

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Speaker 14: you that you are a single mom raising a child

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Speaker 14: on your.

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Speaker 2: Own, John said. Danielle was also afraid she couldn't make

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Speaker 2: it financially.

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Speaker 1: She didn't know if she could afford the condo on

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Speaker 1: her own, and I told her, pack up your stuff

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Speaker 1: and move in with us. We'll sell your house, it's

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Speaker 1: in your name, pay off the condo, pay off your bills,

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Speaker 1: and you stay with us until you get back on

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Speaker 1: your feet again.

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Speaker 2: Danielle wasn't ready to do that yet, but she became

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Speaker 2: a picture at their house. Sometimes she was crying, other

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Speaker 2: times she seemed to be moving forward with her life.

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Speaker 1: Even through all those dark times that she was going

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Speaker 1: through with her husband. The fact that the three of

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Speaker 1: us could be together it was great.

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Speaker 14: It was probably about five or six months at that point.

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Speaker 14: It was kind of like, I think I'm done with him.

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Speaker 2: Danielle and Joe went to a mediator to start the

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Speaker 2: divorce process.

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Speaker 14: And they had gone two times, basically to discuss who

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Speaker 14: gets the who gets that, will sell the place, will

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Speaker 14: split it down the middle, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Eventually, Jody started to see less and less of Danielle.

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Speaker 14: When things started happening with her and Joe. Obviously she

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Speaker 14: was here a lot. And then when she had met

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Speaker 14: up with Christine, I had started to see her a

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Speaker 14: little bit less and she was spending a little more

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Speaker 14: time with Christine Chris. Christine was going through a divorce

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Speaker 14: at the time.

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Speaker 2: Too, Christine as in Christine Patrone, Richard's sister. Christine and

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Speaker 2: Danielle had been friends since high school and seemed to

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Speaker 2: bond over both of their impending divorces, and all of

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Speaker 2: that time with Christine led Danielle to Richard.

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Speaker 1: She's known Richard her whole life. Richard was a single parent,

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Speaker 1: and it was just good company. The two of them

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Speaker 1: would go to a movie together, go to dinner.

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Speaker 2: As two thousand and four were on, Danielle finally seemed

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Speaker 2: to be turning the page on everything that happened with Joe.

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Speaker 2: And that's when John said it all came to a

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Speaker 2: screeching halt. Something flipped in Joe and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Joe did a one eighty.

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Speaker 1: That's when he started pressing her to get back together

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Speaker 1: and it row wined her. It real wind her.

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Speaker 2: That's next time on There and Gone. If you have

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Speaker 2: any information about the disappearance of Danielle Imbo and Richard Patron,

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Speaker 2: and me Andrea Gunning. It's hosted and written by me

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