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Speaker 2: Yes we are.

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Speaker 1: Bob Kendricks joining us right now, President of the Negro

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Speaker 1: Leagues or the Negro Leagues Museum. I should say I've

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Speaker 1: I want to do this before you explain your role

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Speaker 1: can you give us one of your favorite stories, Like

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Speaker 1: for me, it's cool Papa Bell Hotel room lights. If

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Speaker 1: you want to do that one first, that's cool. If

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Speaker 3: Well, no, we'll do the Cool Papa Bell story because

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Speaker 3: it's such a great story and it's one of the

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Speaker 3: great sports franks of all time, because the legendary Satchel

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Speaker 3: Page would oftentimes refer to Cool Papa Bell as being

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Speaker 3: Cool and Satchel fellas were great teammates. They were teammates

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Speaker 3: they had Sachel, they had Cool Papa, they had Judy

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Speaker 2: So in this.

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Speaker 3: Particular instance, Oh Cool gets to the hotel room before Sachel.

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Speaker 3: He walks in the room, he flips the light switch on.

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Speaker 3: There's a delay before the light comes on. He flipped

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Speaker 3: gets to the room, Cool is waiting on him. Sachel

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Speaker 3: Bill Betti, Meal Money and Old Satchel took debate and again,

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Speaker 3: in one of the greatest sports pranks of all time,

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Speaker 3: Cool was able to flip that light switch off, run

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Speaker 3: That's how that story came about. That he is indeed

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Speaker 1: That's really good, and Age, I feel like that's a

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Speaker 4: No, No, you know what we used to do. We

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Speaker 4: But we never I was never that fast, so I

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Speaker 4: I did, I did. We did one time. I'm not

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Speaker 4: going we did. One time. There was a tape delay

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Speaker 4: He's like, how do you guys know this?

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Speaker 1: That's good? I love it all right, So Bob, we'll

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Speaker 1: mix in some more stories. But first off, I want

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Speaker 3: Absolutely you have to make plans to visit the Negro

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Speaker 3: Now we certainly think that is sacrilegious, but you don't

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Speaker 2: Now you talked about it being just a one room museum.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, that's what I build to build a

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Speaker 3: No, it won't be. And I tell you what, Fellas,

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Speaker 3: That will allow us to position this museum for long

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Speaker 3: you're gonna meet some of the greatest athletes to ever

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Speaker 3: And I think that is what surprises people, because I

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Speaker 3: It's not. There's nothing sad or samba about this story.

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Speaker 3: The circumstances that dictated a need for a Negro league's base,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll never touch the Monarchs, I agree. And if

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Speaker 3: It's great to see you guy. When you make your

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Speaker 1: He would like that. He would like that, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Thank you again. Yes, everyone check out that site. This

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Speaker 1: Thanks again, and yes we will take you up on

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you soon, all right, Colers, appreciate you.

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