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Speaker 1: The guest is a gentleman named Jeff Clements. He's part

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Speaker 1: find out who's high on the hypocrisy scale of concern,

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Speaker 1: you know, watch the people that express the most concern

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Speaker 1: about Joe Biden's faculties. See pretty much everybody in primetime

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Speaker 1: on Fox News and ask them if this behavior were

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Speaker 1: at all being you know, if this were Biden a

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Speaker 1: second term of Biden behaving this way, I wonder what

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Speaker 1: the coverage would be on primetime of Fox right. But

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Speaker 1: in all, you know, snark aside, this unfiltered behavior is

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Speaker 1: alarming for either one of two things. One, he was

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Speaker 1: told this is not good and he still can't help himself,

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Speaker 1: which means he's got a self control issue, or he's

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Speaker 1: got a staff so afraid of telling him bad news

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Speaker 1: that they won't do it, and therefore he was why

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Speaker 1: he ended up doubling down on this in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Whatever the answer is, neither is good for the country.

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Speaker 1: Neither is good, by the way, for the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: And I'll ask you know, if JD. Van's and Marco

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Speaker 1: Rubio right, they're going to have to they want to

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Speaker 1: succeed this presidency, one of them does. Look at how

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Speaker 1: unhappy the voters are with the Democratic Party, even though

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Speaker 1: they're voting for Democrats right now. Right, we saw this

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Speaker 1: in Virginia, majority had an unfavorable view of the party. Well,

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Speaker 1: what's driven that? What what's driven that? Was this idea

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Speaker 1: that they all had their head in the sand when

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Speaker 1: it came to Biden in twenty twenty four, And there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of resentment among Democrats for how Democratic leaders

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Speaker 1: look the other way when there was an obvious, slow

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Speaker 1: motion train wreck taking place with the vot voters were

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Speaker 1: concerned about long before there was a debate between Trump

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Speaker 1: and Biden on June twenty seventh, twenty twenty four. The

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Speaker 1: voters have been pretty angry about it. You know, I

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Speaker 1: think if you want to know why there's such limited

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Speaker 1: trust in Chuck Schumer by fellow Democrats and Akeem Jeffries,

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Speaker 1: it's the entire Democratic leaders in Washington are just seen

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Speaker 1: as somehow they were in kahoots and they had their

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Speaker 1: head in the sand when it came to the Biden thing. Well,

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Speaker 1: these same voters are going to have the same reaction

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Speaker 1: if it appears that Trump progressively gets worse, his behavior

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Speaker 1: gets more erratic, you have sort of more you know,

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Speaker 1: enablers not wanting to either say something, and you know

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Speaker 1: we're finding out today. Look the few sober quotes that

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Speaker 1: Susie Wiles did give a reporter and this case a

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Speaker 1: biographer and Chris Whipple. She didn't like what it looked

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Speaker 1: like once they went public, and there's a fear that

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Speaker 1: the president can't handle any sort of criticism or analytical criticism,

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Speaker 1: or even just sort of acknowledging when there are tough

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Speaker 1: moments or when there are awkward things that happen in

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Speaker 1: the administration, which only serves to concern me that when

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Speaker 1: you really need somebody to step in, are they going

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Speaker 1: to be willing to do it? Are they going to

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Speaker 1: be willing to say, hey, man, the emperor has no

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Speaker 1: close here. We have got to acknowledge this. We cannot

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Speaker 1: continue to pretend this isn't happening. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: legitimate concern, and I think in some ways the president's

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Speaker 1: own behavior, the odd things he has said about his

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Speaker 1: own health, and then the erratic nature of what he

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Speaker 1: did with Reiner and some other folks. I think this

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Speaker 1: is a storyline that's only going to grow. And you know,

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Speaker 1: he's not getting younger, This is not going to get better.

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Speaker 1: This is only going to become more obvious. Look, we

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Speaker 1: don't see him travel the country, and I think there's

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Speaker 1: a reason for it. Right, just like with Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: you got to ask yourself. Boy, Normally in a president

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Speaker 1: in this situation, would be traveling the country to try

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Speaker 1: to sell his agenda and he's not doing it. Why

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Speaker 1: is that right? That is what began the conversation for

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Speaker 1: folks who were concerned about whether Biden was up to

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Speaker 1: the job. Certainly not up for a second term. He

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Speaker 1: couldn't do the job to self to sell his agenda

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Speaker 1: in the first term. Well, I think we've entered that

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Speaker 1: same situation. And again, if you were truly concerned about

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Speaker 1: Biden because of his physical ailments and not due to

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Speaker 1: your own politics, then you should be equally alarmed by

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Speaker 1: the currents situation with our current president and the situation

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Speaker 1: that he's in. Now, all right, before I go to

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Speaker 1: my interview, I want to share with you a poll

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Speaker 1: that came to me via the search Light Institute. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you recall that may seem familiar to some of

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Speaker 1: you listeners out there, I had interviewed the founder of

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Speaker 1: search Light Institute, which is search Light is the hometown

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Speaker 1: search Light, Nevada is the hometown of Harry Reid. Adam

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Speaker 1: Gentilssen and former Harry Reid staffer started this up, and

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Speaker 1: it's basically an attempt to try to move the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party in a more pragmatic direction. I wouldn't even say

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Speaker 1: ideologically moderate, just more of a mainstream sort of try

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Speaker 1: to make the party more big ten again between progressive

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Speaker 1: in the center a little bit and so. But they

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Speaker 1: did a poll on corruption, and why I find it interesting,

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Speaker 1: it's sort of it was sort of the question is

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Speaker 1: what is corrupt? What do the voters think is corrupt

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Speaker 1: versus sort of what the definition perhaps we in the

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Speaker 1: media have, you know, you know, when I say think

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Speaker 1: of the word corrupt, I think of like, who's ripping

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Speaker 1: off taxpayers? Right? But what's interesting is what the voters

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Speaker 1: themselves view as corrupt. And they asked a terrific question,

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Speaker 1: and the question was this, if you describe a politician

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Speaker 1: as corrupt, what are you saying about them? And then

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Speaker 1: they offer, please select one that comes closest to your view,

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Speaker 1: and the number one answer was not somebody that was

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Speaker 1: stealing taxpayer dollars. It was using public office for personal

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Speaker 1: financial gain. Right. That could mean insider trading on stocks.

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Speaker 1: That could mean finding out that you're buying a piece

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Speaker 1: of property that's about to be zone for a government

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Speaker 1: funded highway or something like this, that somehow your net

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Speaker 1: worth grows that your own relatives get to start a

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Speaker 1: lobbying business and use your last name to get on

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Speaker 1: a board, say with a company in Ukraine, or they

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Speaker 1: use your last name to start a meme coin and

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Speaker 1: you make money off of the crypto market. Jeez, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what two families might might have qualified for that,

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Speaker 1: but that was the number one definition of corrupt. The

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Speaker 1: number two most popular definition of corrupt politician was this

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Speaker 1: they change rules to hold onto power instead of improving lives. Well,

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Speaker 1: basically that's re redistricting. They simply want to pick voters,

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Speaker 1: pick voters that they don't have to persuade. They pick

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Speaker 1: more voters that are already on their side, so they

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Speaker 1: don't have to do the hard work of representative democracy. Right.

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Speaker 1: That was the second most popular. The third most popular

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Speaker 1: definition was they only serve wealthy donors instead of regular people. Well,

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Speaker 1: I just told you about we're going to have our

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Speaker 1: first billion dollar center rights. Do you think that ten

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Speaker 1: dollars donor to a Senate race as much as one

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars or even the one the ten million

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Speaker 1: dollar donor I've had. I've had donor sources of mine

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Speaker 1: who only give six figure donations okay, which for just

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Speaker 1: about all of us, writing a check for one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars or more is a lot of money. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's purchasing a home type of money that

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Speaker 1: you write that to send your kid to college type

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Speaker 1: of money. And they're considered they're not considered big donors anymore.

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Speaker 1: They're just considered middle class donors. Okay. You know, a

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Speaker 1: lawmaker will spend a lot more time persuading that finding

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Speaker 1: a ten one ten million dollar donor then they will

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Speaker 1: looking for one thousand, one hundred thousand dollar donors because

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Speaker 1: that's you know, it's the law of efficiency. Right. The

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Speaker 1: fourth most popular is they let corporate influence overwhelm the

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Speaker 1: influence of voters. Arguably that's arguably the big donors. And

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Speaker 1: then in the single digits you have they trade favors

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Speaker 1: with lobbyists or special interests. They cater only to the

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Speaker 1: extremes that don't look out for everyone. What's interesting is

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Speaker 1: that none of the definitions were they steal money. Right.

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Speaker 1: So the point is is that what the word you know,

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Speaker 1: and I it is what the voters think is corrupt

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Speaker 1: is fascinating, and I think that it is in some ways.

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Speaker 1: It is sort of like you're you're you're ripping off

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Speaker 1: the democracy, right. And what I appreciate about this about

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Speaker 1: where the donors are the voters are on this. Listen

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Speaker 1: to me, the donors the voters are on this, is

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Speaker 1: that they're a little more sophisticated on what's corrupt. They

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Speaker 1: say that, hey, that that corrupts the democracy, that gets

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Speaker 1: in the way of you representing the average person. And

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Speaker 1: this is a case where the voters are ahead of

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Speaker 1: the politicians, right. The politicians don't speak of corruption this way. Right.

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Speaker 1: They speak of corruption like breaking the law, corruption thinking,

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Speaker 1: because I think they're all afraid that if you define

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Speaker 1: corruption the way the public defines it, which is profiting,

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Speaker 1: you know, having you know, essentially personal financial gain while

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Speaker 1: serving in office, you know, trying to just stay into office,

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Speaker 1: always worrying about raising money, always catering to donors. A

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Speaker 1: lot of politicians, if you said, do you think that's corrupt,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, the system's corrupt, But I'm not, you know,

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Speaker 1: they might blame the system. They wish they wouldn't do

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Speaker 1: it that way. But the fact that voters think this

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Speaker 1: is anyway just it's interesting and it also tells me

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Speaker 1: that voters are man the pitchforks are out, the pitchforks

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Speaker 1: are ready, and I don't think. I do not think

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Speaker 1: large corporations and the tech industry is aware of this

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Speaker 1: and is ready for what's coming. And I certainly think

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Speaker 1: leaders in both parties don't fully appreciate it. Here's another

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Speaker 1: question that came through that I want to share it.

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Speaker 1: How well do you think government serves each of the

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Speaker 1: following groups? Okay, the very wealthy, eighty six percent said

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Speaker 1: they think government serves the very wealthy somewhat or very well,

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Speaker 1: eighty six percent. About businesses, all right, seventy four percent

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00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: say the government serves it serves businesses somewhat or very well.

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Speaker 1: How about racial and ethnic minorities, Well, guess what, Only

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Speaker 1: thirty six percent believe government serves them well. Fifty seven

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Speaker 1: percent believes they do not serve racial or ethnic minorities

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Speaker 1: very well at all, or not well at all completely

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Speaker 1: or not not well completely all. How about you personally?

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Speaker 1: You personally, that number is thirty is just under forty percent.

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Speaker 1: So this isn't one of those cases where well, I

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Speaker 1: think Congress is, but I like my member of Congress.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Congress looks out for the interest of

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Speaker 1: everybody else, but they also look out for me. Nope,

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Speaker 1: you know they most people think they they're served slightly

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Speaker 1: better in government than racial and ethnic minorities, but not

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Speaker 1: too well. And then when you throw out ordinary people,

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Speaker 1: that number is that means three and four voters believe

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Speaker 1: ordinary people are not served well at all in some

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Speaker 1: form or another by government. What it tells you is

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Speaker 1: that there's a there's an appetite out there for government reform,

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Speaker 1: for democracy reform. You just have to frame it in

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Speaker 1: a way that just say, hey, do you want government

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Speaker 1: to serve you better? This is why it doesn't serve

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Speaker 1: you well. The system is rigged against you, which I

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Speaker 1: think the folks believe the system is rigged against them.

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Speaker 1: They just have yet to find a politician that has

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Speaker 1: sold them a struck sure that makes sense and that

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Speaker 1: they believe will work right. That I think is the

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Speaker 1: missing piece here, right. Bertie Sanders and a Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: have convinced seventy percent of America that the system's rigged

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Speaker 1: against them. Okay, that's that's the beginning. What there is

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Speaker 1: an agreement on is whether government itself is redeemable to

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Speaker 1: do it, and whether it's you're going to need a

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Speaker 1: singular individual. That's what Donald Trump believes that you can't

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Speaker 1: the system can't be trusted to do it, versus Bertie Sanders,

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Speaker 1: who said, well, you got topend the entire system, but

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Speaker 1: then the system can be can be can be trusted

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Speaker 1: on this. Here's one more question to share with you,

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Speaker 1: just to show you the definition of how much corruption

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Speaker 1: do you think there is in the Trump administration? Well,

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Speaker 1: among independents, forty percent said there's a great deal and

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Speaker 1: another twelve percent said there's a moderate amount. So fifty

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Speaker 1: two percent said there's at least a great deal or

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Speaker 1: a moderate amount of coruption in the Trump administration. And

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Speaker 1: if you throw in the nine percent that say a

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Speaker 1: small amount, right, so there's only thirty nine percent says

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Speaker 1: that there's no corruption at all in the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: All right, but guess what how much corruption do you

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Speaker 1: think there was in the Biden administration? Well, twenty eight

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Speaker 1: percent said there was a great deal, another thirteen percent

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Speaker 1: said there was a moderate amount, another twelve percent said

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Speaker 1: there was a small amount, which means you had a

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Speaker 1: majority that believed there was some corruption. You only had

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Speaker 1: forty seven percent. So you have thirty nine percent believe

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Speaker 1: there's no corruption in Trump administration, and you have forty

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Speaker 1: seven percent believing there's no corruption. This is just among independents,

656
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Speaker 1: but a majority of independents believe there's some form of

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Speaker 1: corruption in the Biden administration. A majority of independents say

658
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Speaker 1: there's some form of corruption in the Trump administration. Look,

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Speaker 1: the point they're trying to say. I think the point

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Speaker 1: that Searchlight is trying to say is we look framing

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Speaker 1: Framing reform issues through the lens of corruption might get

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Speaker 1: people's attention better. Right, If you talk about the financing

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Speaker 1: of campaigns through a through the prism of corruption. If

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Speaker 1: you talk about the lack of regulation of big tech

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Speaker 1: through the prism of corruption, if you talk about entrenched

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Speaker 1: power in term limits through the prism of corruption, you're

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Speaker 1: more likely to get an audience to listen to you.

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Speaker 1: And most importantly, you're going to be able to talk

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Speaker 1: to the voters who are the most skeptical of the

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Speaker 1: two parties. Right now, those that are self described independence

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Speaker 1: are no parties. So anyway, in this moment that we're

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Speaker 1: living in, right, we're basically, you know, we've got back

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Speaker 1: to back presidencies where we're not quite sure that the

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Speaker 1: actual president you know, is up to the job, you know,

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Speaker 1: has the temperament of the faculties to do the job

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Speaker 1: the way it needs to be done. You also then

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Speaker 1: have a growing coalition of voters that are believing the

678
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Speaker 1: system itself is rotting. And this is this Look, yes,

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Speaker 1: it's about affordability at home, and in order to speak

680
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: to a certain segment of voters, you're going to have

681
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Speaker 1: to make it about that. But connecting the struggle to

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Speaker 1: affordability through corruption is potentially a potent force. And I

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Speaker 1: will just tell you this. Anytime we've had big changes

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Speaker 1: in election, big midterm waves, there's always been an element

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Speaker 1: of corruption that has helped fuel it. You know, in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, we had members of Congress. We were

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Speaker 1: just two years removed from a check where members of

688
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Speaker 1: Congress could bounce checks without having a bank account. It

689
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Speaker 1: was just the weird system where only Congress could write

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Speaker 1: checks for money that they didn't have. It was crazy.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to know more about it, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll go back on my time machine in a couple months.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about it. But but go take a look.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and six there was sort of the

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Speaker 1: corruption of Jack Abramoff and Tom Delay was that arguably

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Speaker 1: in twenty ten and in twenty fourteen, Republicans were using

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Speaker 1: more of sort of the fear of sort of the

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Speaker 1: growth of government. It was less so less so corruption

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Speaker 1: fueling that one. But when you see for the most

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Speaker 1: our corruption usually plays role, especially when you see a

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Speaker 1: total flip. Right ninety four, both the House that Republicans went,

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Speaker 1: both the House and the Senate. There was this, you know,

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Speaker 1: movement for term limits, movement for against entrenched power. You

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Speaker 1: had the check bouncing scandal, et cetera. Two thousand and

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Speaker 1: six also saw both houses flip. In this case it

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Speaker 1: was Republican a Democrat. You know, the addition of the

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Speaker 1: Jack Abramoff stuff and sort of the takeover of K Street.

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Speaker 1: You know, that had a and I do think that

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Speaker 1: is a potential potent force here if if Democrats figure

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Speaker 1: out how to tap into it in a credible way. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's important It's important to note they think, you know,

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Speaker 1: independence think Trump's corrupt, more corrupt than Biden, but they

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Speaker 1: also majority thought the Biden administration was corrupt too, So

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Speaker 1: it's not the easiest road for Democrats to go down.

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Speaker 1: But it will make sense if you're a new candidate,

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Speaker 1: if you're somebody without the baggage of a previous era,

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Speaker 1: a previous entity, or a previous administration. All right, with that,

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Speaker 1: let me put a pin in this botologue. Sneaking a break,

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Speaker 1: what would a constitutional amendment on limiting the financing of

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Speaker 1: Jeff Clements. He's co founder and president of an organization

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Speaker 1: called American Promise Best Way. They describe themselves a cross

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Speaker 1: partisan organization that's advocate advocating a constitutional amendment to limit

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Speaker 1: the influence of money and politics. As many of you

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Speaker 1: guys know, I think we are. If you look at

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Speaker 1: our history as a country, we're at one of those

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Speaker 1: moments where the appetite for adding a couple of constitutional

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Speaker 1: amendments should be pretty big. Anytime we've had a consequential

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Speaker 1: era of ten or more years like the one we're

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Speaker 1: sort of at the tail end of here with the

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Speaker 1: Trump era. Just like after FDR we added the twenty

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Speaker 1: second Amendment during the beginning of the Industrial Revolution and

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Speaker 1: the controversies in and around that, and the teens. In

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Speaker 1: the twenties, we added direct election as senators, the income

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Speaker 1: tax prohibition, both positive and negative. So I think we're

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Speaker 1: in one of those moments, and I believe Jeff Clements

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Speaker 1: thinks we're in one of those moments. Of course, the

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Speaker 1: question is what will get priority if we are going

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Speaker 1: to start adding constitutional amendments. He's advocating campaign finance. He's

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Speaker 1: not alone there. What else would be on that docket.

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Speaker 1: We will dabble in that, as you know, I've been

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Speaker 1: dabbling in that on this feed for some time. But Jeff,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: Good to be here. So let's start with it's I

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Speaker 1: know why you know, look it's pretty clear the courts

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Speaker 1: have unless you want to wait forty years to alter

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Speaker 1: the ideological makeup of the courts. And it's not even

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Speaker 1: ideological makeup, the sort of the this belief that corporations

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Speaker 1: are people too. If that is the case and money

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Speaker 1: is speech, well, then the only way to limit it

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Speaker 1: is to add a constitutional amendment. Is that the conclusion

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Speaker 1: you've come.

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Speaker 3: To absolutely, Chuck, and I come to it after you know,

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Speaker 3: three decades nearly in practicing law, and I believe that

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Speaker 3: the courts were where these kind of issues got worked out.

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Speaker 3: Over the course of my legal career, the Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: has taken dozens and dozens of cases involving campaign finance laws,

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Speaker 3: basically making the system we have now with a handful

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Speaker 3: of judges and lawyers in Washington, d C. No American

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Speaker 3: asked for twenty billion dollar elections, you know, six hundred

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Speaker 3: million dollars Senate races, foreign money coming in, all the

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Speaker 3: things you've talked about on this on this on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: So it is a court created crisis, and it is

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Speaker 3: not a constitutional crisis because there's something wrong with the concert.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's an interesting way of putting it. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's I want to dig into that for a couple

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Speaker 1: of minutes, because essentially I see where you're going. Just

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Speaker 1: about everything we don't like about the current way campaigns

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Speaker 1: are financed was due to a loophole created by illegal

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Speaker 1: ruling in response to a challenge to a congressional law

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Speaker 1: that was passed whose purpose was to actually try to

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Speaker 1: limit the influence of money in politics.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you know a lot of the most recent

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Speaker 3: famous case, of course, is Citizens United versus Federal Election Commission.

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Speaker 3: But the first time the court ventured into this sort

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Speaker 3: of experiment and what would happen if justices decided our

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Speaker 3: campaign finance policy instead of the American people was in

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six with a case called Buckley versus.

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Speaker 1: Valais I was just going to ask about it. It's Buckley

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Speaker 1: Valaeo right now, Yeah, exactly. For there was Citizen United,

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Speaker 1: there was Buckley Valeo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. In nineteen seventy six was our bi centennial that

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Speaker 3: we'd had the First Amendment for nearly two centuries.

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Speaker 2: We'd had any corruption laws.

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Speaker 3: For well over a century by that point limiting money

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Speaker 3: in politics. Not once in two hundred years had the

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Speaker 3: First Amendment been interpreted by the Court to mean that

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Speaker 3: the American people were stripped of the ability to have

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Speaker 3: limits on the power of wealth influence election outcomes. The

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Speaker 3: Court made up this rule in nineteen seventy six by

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Speaker 3: saying that spending money is free speech. It sure has

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Speaker 3: something to do with free speech and First Amendment, but

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Speaker 3: the Court simply said, no, it is free speech. And

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Speaker 3: then they started on a fifty year experiment. And because

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Speaker 3: they're not that good at politics, nor should they be,

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Speaker 3: they're justices, they increasingly created new problems for themselves and

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Speaker 3: then had to make up a rule for that. So

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Speaker 3: what we're doing at American Promise is saying enough is enough.

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Speaker 3: This has failed. Let's bring it back to the people

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Speaker 3: with a constitutional amendment that says, justices, this is not

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Speaker 3: your job. It's the job of Congress and the state

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Speaker 3: legislatures to make the rules for how money influences our elections.

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Speaker 1: You know what would the you know, McCain fine gold

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Speaker 1: to me turns out to be one of the worst

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Speaker 1: pieces of legislation that Congress passed. It would have been

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Speaker 1: good legislation had you had an interpretation of money and

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Speaker 1: politics differently, Like would that have under in a world

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Speaker 1: where money isn't speech. Is McCain fine gold good legislation?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know an American promise. Honestly, we're sort of

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Speaker 3: agnostic about specific policy because we're looking at the long term,

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Speaker 3: and America needs to look at the long term. We've

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Speaker 3: got AI coming, we've got global digitalized currencies, we've got

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Speaker 3: all kinds of problems with trying to maintain control of

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Speaker 3: our political experiment here. McCain fine gold was a law

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Speaker 3: around two thousand and two three period when Congress was

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Speaker 3: in some ways trying to deal with the handcuffs that

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court had put on them. So money, as

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Speaker 3: you've said before, Chuck, we'll find a way in politics.

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Speaker 2: That does not mean just like and I.

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Speaker 1: Always compared to the Michael Crichton's character in the original

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Speaker 1: Jurassic Park, where the Jeff Goldblum character says it in

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Speaker 1: the movie, but it's also in the book where the

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Speaker 1: old man claims he's going to keep the dinosaurs from

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Speaker 1: pro creating, and he's like, life finds a way. Well,

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Speaker 1: in politics, money finds a way. Yeah, no matter what.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, But that doesn't mean that the American people just say, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I guess money decides things. I think, you know, murder

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Speaker 3: and mayhem find a way too in the human condition.

856
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 3: But we have law, and we have and we have

857
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: real clarity about who decides. And in America it's the

858
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 3: American people who decide ultimately. And so in the past

859
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 3: we have had yes, money, I'm from Boston.

860
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: You know.

861
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 3: Mayor Curley got re elected from his jail cell. So

862
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: I get this is I'm not naive about this. But

863
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: the American people have always had the ability and acted

864
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 3: on it to enact new rules for new situations. So

865
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Speaker 3: corporations became powerful and the Gilded Age, as you mentioned,

866
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 3: and we had any corruption laws which limited corporate money

867
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 3: come and Teddy Roosevelt pushed it. The unions became powerful spenders,

868
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: and by nineteen forty eight we had taft haartly. So

869
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 3: the laws that the Buckley Court in nineteen seventy struck

870
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 3: down followed the catastrophic in many ways money and politics

871
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: scandal of the Nixon White House, leading to the resignation

872
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 3: of a president. So this is not about the final

873
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 3: one answer that will fix everything. It's about who decides

874
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 3: what is needed in order to address the problems that

875
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: inevitably occur with money. And corruption in the political system.

876
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: So McCain Feingeld was an attempt to solve a new problem,

877
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: which is, Okay, we got soft money coming in. It's

878
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: going around the limits that the candidates are supposed to

879
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 3: be able to be limited to in terms of taking

880
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: money and some other problems like that. But they were

881
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 3: the Congress was constrained by the courts at that point

882
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 3: forty year invention of all these rules. Independent expenditures can't

883
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 3: possibly corrupt. Therefore they can't be limited giving it to

884
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 3: the parties and the candidates could corrupt, so those are

885
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 3: going to be limited. So the states and Congress have

886
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: been put in this straight jacket by the court's rules

887
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 3: that don't really make sense, and they certainly don't protect

888
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: free speech of most Americans, and so you end up

889
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 3: with messy and often bad legislation. That's why we need

890
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 3: the constitutional reset.

891
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: Which of course is why if you're wondering why political

892
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: parties have no ability to purge itself of bad candidates,

893
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: it's because they've lost the ability to fund campaigns. They've

894
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: lost the ability to you know, in some ways. You know,

895
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: this is where McCain fein Goeld was a bad law.

896
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: With good intentions that ended up only making polarization worse

897
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: and making it even harder for the parties to have

898
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: any control. But let's talk about what's the wording of

899
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: a constant. You know, the hallmark of the Roberts Court

900
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: for the most part, on many issues, it's usually Roberts

901
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: comes down to, hey, Congress, do your job. But in

902
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: this case, Congress tried to do jobs and the Court

903
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: said no. A lot of times, this is a congressional failure.

904
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: You know, whether it comes to you could argue it's

905
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: a congressional failure when it comes to some of these issues,

906
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: specificity about independent agencies and things like that. This is

907
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: not a congressional issue. This is truly an invention of

908
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: the judiciary, sort of creation of precedence that suddenly becomes

909
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: So so, what's the wording of the amendment that would

910
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: take this power away from the judiciary.

911
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the flat out the wording fits on an apkin.

912
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 3: This is not complicated.

913
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: Most constitutional amendments. Better if it's in fact, that's three graphs.

914
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: Do you need it down to two?

915
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Speaker 3: We could, and this doesn't have to be the final language.

916
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 3: So what this amendment does though, that we call it

917
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: the for our freedom Amendment. You know, the first section

918
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: just reminds the court, frankly, in all of us that

919
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: we the people have sovereign interest in free speech and

920
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 3: federalism and the equal rights of every voter and anty

921
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 3: corruption and all the things that a lot of those

922
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 3: the Court took off the First Amendment balance. So the

923
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 3: Court says, Andy, and let's be clear, McCain feinel didn't

924
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: create the super PACs and everything else that was the

925
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 3: Supreme Court by saying that independent expenditures never corrupt and

926
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 3: making up these different kinds of rules. And so the

927
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 3: Court did that because the Court decided it was its

928
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 3: job to decide free speech questions around money and politics

929
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 3: with only one question, quid pro quo corruption or the

930
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 3: appearance thereof, as they say, and that's basically Latin for bribery.

931
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 2: Practically, you know, I'll give you this if you give

932
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: me that.

933
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 3: Well, the American people and the founders, frankly long understood

934
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Speaker 3: that there's a much wider constitutional balance to protecting the

935
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 3: equal rights and freedom of Americans and self government in

936
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Speaker 3: a republic. And there's things like federalism, there's things like

937
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 3: the equal rights of a citizen, it doesn't mean you

938
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: have equal outcomes economic, but in the political sphere, we're

939
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 3: all equal citizens. So there's things like that. Section one

940
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 3: makes that clear, and then Section two moves that who

941
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 3: decides question, Who decides these rules? It's the legislatures in

942
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 3: Congress because they're accountable to the people.

943
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: The judges aren't. So we the.

944
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: People will decide do we want limits, do we not

945
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Speaker 3: want limits, Do we want super PACs? Do we not

946
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 3: want super PACs? Those will be decisions, and federal elections

947
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 3: for Congress, in state elections for the states, just like

948
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 3: it's always been until the Court intervened. And then Section

949
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 3: three pretty interesting, it distinguished. It says Congress and the

950
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 3: States may distinguish between corporations and other artificial entities. It

951
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 3: uses the word artificial entities because we've got to be thinking, pac,

952
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 3: well it could be or what about artificial intelligence. The

953
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 3: Court's approach to free speech essentially is if it can

954
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 3: spend money and broadcast noise into the political system, it

955
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 3: has a free speech right. And I use it intentionally

956
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 3: because the Court does not distinguish between human beings or

957
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 3: any other entity. So now you have thoughts and AI

958
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 3: and who knows what in ten years, twenty years, fifty

959
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: years that we have to be thinking about. So this

960
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 3: doesn't solve the problem. It simply says we're allowed to

961
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 3: solve that problem.

962
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Speaker 1: So here's the question that I have of why the

963
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: First Amendment itself couldn't be used as an interpretation of

964
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: it without needing this, and it would go as follows.

965
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Speaker 1: And I didn't go to law school. I just played

966
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: when I play a lawyer on a podcast. So excuse

967
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: please mock away. But I'm guaranteed free speech. I'm not

968
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: guaranteed amplification of speech. And it seems as if the

969
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: courts have decided if you deny the ability to amplify speech,

970
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: you have violated free speech. And the reason I'm saying

971
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: the words amplification because I also wonder or if this

972
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: is a waiting to crack down on to allow for

973
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: more social media regulation in addition to campaign finance regulation.

974
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: You know, obviously, look I consider myself, you know, any

975
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: if we can do this without a constitutional amendment, the better.

976
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: Is there a First Amendment argument against amplification, sort of

977
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: like a corporation's ability to amplify its access to free

978
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: speech overwhelms Mine? Is that the intent of the founders.

979
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that it is not the intent of the

980
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 3: founders that the corporations and you know, the wealthiest among

981
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 3: us should drown out everybody else. That's that's that's antithetical

982
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 3: to the First Amendment. And I want to mock your interpretation.

983
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 3: Check it's right on in my view. I agree with it.

984
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 3: I think most Americans agree with it. It's what the

985
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,479
Speaker 3: dissenters and these many many Supreme Court cases would have said.

986
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 3: So this isn't question about whether there's anything wrong with

987
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 3: the First Amendment. There's nothing wrong with the First Amendment.

988
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: We are a free speech organization, where a free speech nation.

989
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 3: We want free speech. What we have right now in

990
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 3: the political system with money isn't free speech for exactly

991
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 3: the reasons you're saying. The Court need a mistake in

992
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 3: how it interprets the First Amendment and is laid down

993
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: this mandate, which basically means amplification until nobody can hear

994
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 3: anyone anymore except those with the biggest this ability to spend.

995
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 3: And so what our amendment does is not replace the

996
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 3: First Amendment. It strengthens the First Amendment. It makes it

997
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 3: much more like the one you're describing I can just

998
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 3: tell you one story, and I've been all over the

999
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 3: country with this amendment. There's a wonderful guy in Maine,

1000
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 3: David Trahan runs the Sportsman's Alliance of Maine. He's on

1001
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 3: our advisory council as well. After Susan Collins his two

1002
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars Senate race in twenty twenty now looks

1003
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 3: kind of they're talking about a six hundred million dollar

1004
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 3: race in twenty twenty six there, but all of the

1005
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 3: super pac money was pouring in from outside the state.

1006
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 3: And these are people who spenders have no idea where

1007
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 3: Maine is on a map, probably let alone caring about

1008
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 3: what the people of main things. It was a battle

1009
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 3: for control of the US Senate, and so this guy

1010
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 3: is pretty politically savvy and a free speech absolutist as

1011
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 3: well as a Second Amendment advocate. Is saying he said, Jeff,

1012
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,439
Speaker 3: we can't be heard and we can't hear each other

1013
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 3: with all this money. And I thought that was such

1014
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 3: an interesting way to think about the First Amendment issue

1015
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 3: in this case, in this situation, which is we want

1016
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 3: free speech and we actually we want to hear what

1017
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 3: our fellow citizens think as well. And engage about it

1018
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: and argue with each other and then get out and vote.

1019
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 3: That's what a republican self government looks like. It does

1020
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 3: not look like this. So your first amendment, David Tryan's

1021
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 3: first amendment, I think it's the American first Amendment, and

1022
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 3: that's the first amendment we'll get with our constitutional amendment

1023
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 3: to get us there.

1024
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: You brought up Maine, and I'm glad because Larry Lessek,

1025
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: who I know you're very familiar with. And no, and

1026
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: I think you said he's on your board, so you're familiar.

1027
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: He believes he has found a way to essentially use originalism,

1028
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 1: which is sort of the current makeup of the Conservative Court.

1029
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: Arguably three of the nine are more originalists. I think

1030
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: the other three Conservatives are probably a little more nuanced

1031
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: than being textualist originalists, but that's probably open to interpretation.

1032
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: But that there's actually an originalist argument that would overturn

1033
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: Citizens United. Do you buy it? Oh?

1034
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 3: I buy the argument. But if I thought that the

1035
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 3: right argument would win the court, I think we want

1036
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 3: to need this. As you say, we would get a

1037
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 3: reinterpretation of the First Amendment as to be more aligned

1038
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 3: with what it was supposed to mean. And that's originalism.

1039
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 3: I mean, can you imagine those who ratified the amendment. Remember,

1040
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 3: the First Amendment was an amendment too, happens to be

1041
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 3: our first one. It wasn't didn't come out of Philadelphia's convention.

1042
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 3: It be came because the American people at the time

1043
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 3: demanded the Bill of Rights and passed and ratified amendments

1044
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 3: in this way, and the first Amendment protecting free speech.

1045
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 3: Can you imagine in that ratification the people who just

1046
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 3: won the revolution saying, yeah, this is intended to protect

1047
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 3: the right of corporations to spend unlimited money. And the

1048
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 3: wealthiest you know among us didn't even have billionaires then

1049
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 3: to spend unlimited money, they would have been preposterous. And

1050
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 3: originalism in constitutional interpretation means what did the words actually mean?

1051
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 3: What did the people who put those words and voted

1052
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 3: on those words and lived by those words intend and

1053
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 3: mean by it? And so I think the originalism argument

1054
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 3: is powerful. Well, we make the same case at American Promise.

1055
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 3: In many ways, our Amendment is an originalist interpretation of

1056
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 3: the First Amendment. And so you know, I welcome and

1057
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 3: applaud very few people have worked as long in his

1058
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 3: heart in this effort around responding to the money in

1059
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 3: politics crisis is Larry Lessig, and I applaud him for it,

1060
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 3: and I know he is also a fan of the

1061
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 3: constitutional amendment approach. There's no reason you don't try all

1062
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 3: the different leavers. So Professor Lesg's theory is is, look,

1063
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 3: the court didn't actually invent the super pac.

1064
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: Literally, it was the District Court. There was the DC

1065
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 2: Court of Appeals.

1066
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Speaker 3: It never went to the Supreme Court in a case

1067
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Speaker 3: called speech Now, and they said, well, the court, the

1068
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 3: Supreme Court tells us that independent expenditures can't corrupt. Therefore

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Speaker 3: there's no reason to have a limit on packs. Because

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01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 3: remember Congress and the American people actually said we want

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01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 3: a five thousand dollars limit on packs. That used to

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01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 3: be the law, and the law fell down in that

1073
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 3: case because the District Court, DC Court of Appeals said

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01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 3: that that doesn't make sense after citizens united because they

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01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 3: say independent expenditures can't corrupt, and then we therefore get

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01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 3: the super pack. When one person can put three hundred

1077
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,919
Speaker 3: million dollars into it or one hundred million dollars into

1078
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 3: it would have been.

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01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: Wildly illegal before this case.

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01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 3: So Larry's argument as, hey, the Supreme Court didn't say that,

1081
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 3: and actually independent contributions to independent expenditures are superpacks can corrupt.

1082
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 3: You can corrupt and influence the outcome of legislation by

1083
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 3: telling the person and heads the committee or whoever is

1084
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 3: needed to say, hey, I'll put some money in the

1085
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 3: superpack and you get the legislation. So of course it

1086
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 3: can corrupt. I think most Americans would agree with that, like, yeah,

1087
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 3: super PACs, of course they're corrupting. There's all kinds of

1088
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 3: shenanigans going on with them. So that's the theory, and

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01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 3: Larry's the main people of Maine agreed and adopted a

1090
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 3: loss saying contributions to super PACs are limited to five

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01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. And it's been struck down by held up

1092
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 3: by the court, federal courts. It's now Larry hopes to

1093
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 3: go to the Supreme Court and have the Supreme Court say,

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01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 3: you know what, you're right, we never said that, and

1095
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 3: you can limit packs. So I think the theories right.

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01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 3: I wish the court would buy it. I'm less skeptical.

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01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 3: I'm more skeptical than Larry is that they will given that.

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01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: I hear you, except where I think Larry's case is strong.

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01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: It's like, well, Lilly, one of two things are going

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01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: to happen. Either they strike down all limits for individuals,

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01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: because how is it that you can have a situation

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01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: where you can have unlimited contributions to an independent expenditure,

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01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: but you can limit contributions directly to a campaign, right,

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01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: It's sort of it's a distinction without much of a

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01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: difference anymore. So I wonder if that is if actually

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01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: it's one of two outcomes. Either he's right and they

1107
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: say you're right if you can limit contributions of individuals

1108
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: to campaigns and you can limit contributions to packs, or

1109
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: it goes the other way and there are no more limits.

1110
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's that's that's a fair scenario assessment.

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01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 3: I think you know, the other case that was argued

1112
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 3: last week in the Supreme Court n RSC versus FEC

1113
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 3: has a similar kind of situation where there's a limit

1114
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 3: on the party's ability to spend in coordination with candidates

1115
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 3: that the court upheld twenty years ago but now doesn't see.

1116
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 3: The argument is it doesn't make sense given that you

1117
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 3: can put anything you want and spend anything you want

1118
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 3: in other vehicles so, but the problem I have two problems,

1119
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 3: not problems, that's the wrong word. I have two reasons

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01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,439
Speaker 3: why we need this constitutional amendment more than ever, even

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01:07:53,480 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 3: as I'm rooting for Professor Lesseg's success. One is that

1122
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 3: that even if the Court does begin to see that

1123
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 3: there's some weird contradictions in the system that they have

1124
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 3: built around money in politics, which believe me, it has

1125
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 3: been messed up for a long time, and.

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01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:13,919
Speaker 2: That doesn't seemed to bother them.

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01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 3: But maybe this time they take this and say, Okay,

1128
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 3: we're going to allow some limits on contribution to certain

1129
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 3: kinds of super PACs that might create corruption. There's still

1130
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 3: all kinds of other avenues that should not be up

1131
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 3: to the Court to decide how to deal with it,

1132
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 3: should be up to the legislatures. But the most important reason, Chuck,

1133
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 3: I'd say more than ever, is that it's not so

1134
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 3: much the specific policies, and we can get in the

1135
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:43,480
Speaker 3: weeds around all these different vehicles and the different systems. Fundamentally,

1136
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 3: the constitutional crisis, in my view, is not specific cases

1137
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 3: or specific policies. It's the fundamental question of who decides

1138
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 3: and another five to four or even six' three decision

1139
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 3: out of The Supreme. Court no matter which way it comes,

1140
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 3: out does not all of that problem we have had

1141
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 3: for half a. Century The american people disabled from just

1142
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 3: about what any democracy in the world.

1143
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 2: Does what we used to do before The.

1144
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 3: Court gone, involved which is we make the rules around,

1145
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 3: this not the justices In. Washington so that's what we

1146
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 3: got to.

1147
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 1: Fix, well this goes to you, Know i'm old enough

1148
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,440
Speaker 1: to remember when my friends and the right were complaining

1149
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: that the judiciary was legislating in campaign finance laws Ninety

1150
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:35,480
Speaker 1: basically most of the law that governs campaigns has been judicially.

1151
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: Written absolutely it. Is it has been over you, know

1152
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: overturning a state, legislature overturning a congressional, law none of, them,

1153
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: right it has not BEEN i can't think of a

1154
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: legislature that has passed a law that the court you know,

1155
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: that you, KNOW i can't think of a legislature that, said,

1156
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: yeah we should have unlimited, this and we should have it.

1157
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,480
Speaker 1: Unlimited LIKE i. Can't i'm trying to find the legislative

1158
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: law that has done.

1159
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 3: That can You, Yeah and you, know you're absolutely. Right

1160
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 3: it's constant legislation by. Judges it's all Of these are

1161
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 3: policy questions you can we could agree or disagree or argue.

1162
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: About you, know they have made the, decision but these

1163
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: are not the. Questions is not legislative intent, right because

1164
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: it's not been legislative, intent.

1165
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 2: Not at all exactly.

1166
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 3: Right and so you know that's the fundamental reason we

1167
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 3: need this constitutional amendment because it's getting. URGENT i, mean

1168
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: The american people now call money in politics the top,

1169
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 3: issue the top threat to our. Democracy Pew, research after

1170
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 3: the twenty billion dollar election in twenty twenty, four did

1171
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 3: their usual survey of The american people's. Priorities reducing money

1172
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 3: in politics was number, one ahead of, immigration ahead of,

1173
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 3: crime and so and there's a good reason for it

1174
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 3: because people see it now where they. Live it's the

1175
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 3: corruption is coming, home and we've got to fix.

1176
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 1: This SO i accept the, premise and Then i'm going

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01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: to challenge you on it because you, know there's always

1178
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: the correct answer the public. Gives and then there's how

1179
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: they actually vote right during, elections and you AND i

1180
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: both know the following, truism which is there's not a

1181
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: single person that is won on this issue where they've

1182
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: made it the. Issue and that is why POLITICIANS i

1183
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: think shy away from making it a centerpiece of their,

1184
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: campaign right because ultimately you're, like, yeah, OKAY i agree with,

1185
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: that but what are you doing about the price of? Groceries? Right,

1186
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: like it has been hard to make this. Issue you

1187
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: can get voters to engage with it if they see

1188
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:39,879
Speaker 1: the corruption and it's a corruption directly impacting said candidate

1189
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: and said. Campaign but BECAUSE i, LOOK i always, say

1190
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 1: there's you, know there's eighty percent issues where there's only

1191
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 1: where half of those folks it isn't it isn't the

1192
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: single voting issue that they will go to the polls

1193
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,799
Speaker 1: to vote. On but they're an eighty percent, agreement rightne

1194
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: some sort of control over you, know some sort of

1195
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: legislative additional hurdles to purchase guns as falls into that,

1196
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: category which is there's general, agreement but it's not the

1197
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: people that are the most passionate about it actually vote

1198
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: the other. Way why do you think it's been so

1199
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: hard to make it a voting. ISSUE i. UNDERSTAND i

1200
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: see the polling, too but there's you AND i both

1201
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 1: know there's type certain issues that poll well that don't

1202
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: get you to the, vote actually get people to the ballot.

1203
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 3: Box, YEAH i think we have to unpack that a, Bit,

1204
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 3: chuck because you, know The american people have never been

1205
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 3: offered the choice we Had american promise they are, offering which,

1206
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 3: is do you want the power back to actually make

1207
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 3: the rules around money and, politics or do you want

1208
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 3: to leave it the same way it is now leave

1209
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 3: it to the, judges BECAUSE i think we've got to

1210
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 3: give The american people more. Credit they know that for

1211
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 3: fifty years we've lived with judge made rules that have

1212
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 3: just moved power into the hands of the wealthiest and

1213
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 3: the most global corporate, interests and everybody knows. THAT i

1214
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 3: think that's not so when they, say, Hey i'm going

1215
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 3: to run on passing, McCain finegeld vote for.

1216
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 2: Me the voter isn't.

1217
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 3: Stupid they know that the elected official is not actually

1218
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 3: going to be able to do very much because The

1219
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 3: Supreme court has said has basically invented this right to

1220
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 3: spend unlimited, money no matter what you might think about.

1221
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 3: It and SO i think that the passion is already.

1222
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 3: There you've said it. YOURSELF i thought your analysis of

1223
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 3: the twenty twelve election Of Barack, Obama schuck was really

1224
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 3: astute when you said that was misreads somehow this grand

1225
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 3: demographic coalition rather than a populist. Election he went After Mitt,

1226
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 3: romney AND i thought that was right. On and why

1227
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 3: Did Bernie sanders go head to head an unknown at the,

1228
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,839
Speaker 3: Time Bernie sanders go head to head With Hillary? Clinton

1229
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 3: why Is Donald trump the had can over The Republican

1230
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 3: party and as The president of The United. States the

1231
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 3: answer to all of those, QUESTIONS i think is the,

1232
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 3: same which The american people are, smart they get it

1233
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 3: is that this system is completely corrupted and the normal

1234
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 3: politics isn't going to fix, it and so they're looking for.

1235
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 3: Answers and SO i, think as usual In, america that

1236
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 3: comes down to a constitutional. Question and SO i think

1237
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 3: there's passion for the constitutional question in a way that

1238
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 3: you are not going to render up a voting passion,

1239
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 3: around you, know should the limit be five thousand dollars

1240
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 3: to ten thousand dollars or disclosure versus public? Finance and

1241
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 3: that's that's not what this is. About we face a

1242
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 3: fundamental constitutional.

1243
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: Question, well let's talk about this issue OF i, MEAN

1244
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: i feel like we're hitting there's a few different. Issues

1245
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: people that are passionate about certain issues THAT i feel

1246
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 1: like are where we basically the only answer is a constitutional.

1247
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: AMENDMENT i think IT'S i think campaign finance is one of.

1248
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: THEM i think those my friends that worry about the.

1249
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: DEBT i think the balanced budget amendment is another. ONE

1250
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,520
Speaker 1: i think age, limits, Right if you have age minimums

1251
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: in the, constitution it means there's only one way you

1252
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: can create age. Limits you're going to need a constitutional. Amendment.

1253
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,600
Speaker 1: Right if you care about the electoral college, NOW i

1254
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:15,799
Speaker 1: think there are ways around, that which include expanding the

1255
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:20,799
Speaker 1: Physical house Of, representatives which would actually fix the electoral college,

1256
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: issues and you wouldn't need a constitution. One there are

1257
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: a few places where you wouldn't need. One but we're

1258
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: at a moment WHERE i think there's enough. Issues is

1259
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 1: it worth working in concert with some of these other

1260
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: affinity groups who are fighting for this sort of what

1261
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 1: the infrastructure reforms for our democracy or our constitutional? Republic?

1262
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: Right and if you look at our, history we basically

1263
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: have had three periods where we've actually fixed up our,

1264
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: house our constitutional, house right at the, beginning right during

1265
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: and after The Civil, war and essentially during and after

1266
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: The Gilded. Age and then you could say the twenty

1267
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,560
Speaker 1: Second amendment in the twenty Fifth. Amendment also that was,

1268
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: about you, know sort of REACTION fdr And kennedy and

1269
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: sort of in what happened. Incapacitation but is this a

1270
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: moment that it's? Similar is this a period is it

1271
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,839
Speaker 1: worth working with others to try to force a larger

1272
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: conversation about amending the constitution or is your time better

1273
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: spent just galvanizing on the single issue of campaign.

1274
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:36,919
Speaker 3: Finance, WELL i think the conversation's well. Underway The american

1275
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 3: people are talking about constitutional change all the. Time now

1276
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 3: you left term limits, Off i'd put that it's.

1277
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 1: Another, one, yes where you probably it's only going to

1278
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: Take you're going to need a constitutional amendment for. It. Yeah.

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01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 3: Yeah The Supreme court is also ruled but not allowed

1280
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 3: to have term, Limits SO i THINK i think that

1281
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 3: also there's a viable and energetic support for that kind

1282
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 3: of constitutional. Amendment so you're ABSOLUTELY i could agree more

1283
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 3: that we are in a moment In american history where

1284
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 3: we will see fundamental change and if we if we

1285
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 3: focus and make that constitutional change and other kinds of,

1286
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 3: reform it'll be a very positive. Thing but at the same,

1287
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 3: time if we, don't there's, dangers AND i think that's.

1288
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: What you saw if you look at all those periods you.

1289
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 3: Mentioned And i'd ad you, know we did four, amendments

1290
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 3: four constitutional amendments between nineteen sixty one and nineteen seventy,

1291
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 3: one lowering the voting, AGE dc got some representation the poll.

1292
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 3: Tax those are pretty big. Deals and if you look

1293
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 3: at all those, periods it was very much like our

1294
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 3: own political. Assassinations division the wheels coming off The american,

1295
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 3: democracy AND i think people realize like that we can't

1296
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 3: go on with the status quo constitutional structures we've, had

1297
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 3: and there's fundamental change AND i think that's what we're

1298
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 3: going to see. Now that doesn't mean, necessarily, though that

1299
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 3: there's some grand constitutional. COALITION i think maybe after The Civil,

1300
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 3: war The Civil war, amendments The Republican party at the

1301
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 3: time was the grand coalition around constitutional. Amendments we need

1302
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 3: to once and for all overturn the Dread scott decision

1303
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 3: and slavery In, america enfranchise All americans regardless of. RACE

1304
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 3: i think that was the. Exception the other, ones, THOUGH

1305
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 3: i think amendments happen in a dynamic systematictic process where

1306
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 3: there's opportunity because the old way is. Crumbling the old

1307
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 3: stabilities aren't there, anymore and you can actually put together

1308
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 3: new coalitions and new votes to actually get a two

1309
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 3: thirds vote In congress and ratification in three quarters of the,

1310
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 3: states which remained very. Different SO i don't think you

1311
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 3: need to march and lockstep and have different arguments that.

1312
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 3: Might you, know it isn't necessarily people will vote for

1313
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 3: our amendment who will be against electoral college reformer people

1314
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 3: will like term limits but not the balance you name.

1315
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 2: It that's.

1316
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 3: OKAY i think it's a much more dynamic. Process if

1317
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 3: we Every american go for whatever it is that you

1318
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 3: want to, see we'll be just. Fine AND i would

1319
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 3: predict in the decade we'll have three or four amendments

1320
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 3: again like previous. Times but if we have a try

1321
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 3: to make it with some grand coalition coming out Of

1322
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 3: washington Telling americans.

1323
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 2: What to, do it goes.

1324
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 3: Nowhere we go to the, states we go to the,

1325
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 3: people AND i think that's what smart amendments. Do so

1326
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 3: we have twenty three states already on board the for

1327
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 3: Our Freedom amendment At american. Promise that's why you get,

1328
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 3: ratification that's why you get the vote In, congress because

1329
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 3: we've actually shown that.

1330
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 2: States as widely disparate As alaska.

1331
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 3: And, utah and you, Know wyoming And montana Versus, California New, York.

1332
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 3: Massachusetts they're all doing, this they're all moving, forward and

1333
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 3: the politics of it are. Changing and so whether you're

1334
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 3: A republican Or democrat and you actually want to vote

1335
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 3: for our, amendment that will happen some of the other amendments.

1336
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 1: TOO i, think what's Your so what's it's? Interesting, look

1337
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: the four states you just talked about that Are republican,

1338
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: leaning don't surprise. Me right. There there there's a there's

1339
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 1: a history In montana of sort of skepticism of corporations

1340
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 1: and corporate. Money that's a very little more bipartisan concern

1341
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: about it than you see in most. States, utah, right

1342
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: it's civic, Mindedness, alaska Even. Wyoming the small states sort

1343
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: of get. It what's your biggest? Hurdle, right you need

1344
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: thirty eight? States you, know it means you're going to

1345
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: need you, KNOW i guess in theory you could do

1346
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: this without the Deep south red, states but make the

1347
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 1: case to The alabama legislature of why they should be

1348
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: for this.

1349
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:46,839
Speaker 2: Amendment, OH i think.

1350
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 3: We can win anywhere so and you, Know, ALABAMA i,

1351
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 3: HOPE i hope we'll come on board. Soon but you,

1352
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 3: know we passed The Oklahoma house. Unanimously we still got

1353
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 3: to go through The, senate but the vote In oklahoma

1354
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 3: was unanimous in The.

1355
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: House we've passed The.

1356
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 3: Senate AND i, mean so this lead sponsor In, Texas

1357
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 3: Senator Angela. Paxton you don't get to the right of

1358
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 3: The paxtons In. Texas and and you know she's the.

1359
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: Least It's Ken paxton soon to be ex, wife who's

1360
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: the chief sponsor for. You you know this is this

1361
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 1: is the trick about them, fellows, Right, Yeah.

1362
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah the thing about amendments is especially if you do

1363
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 3: it in a way that is respectful and actually like

1364
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 3: we're service. Minded we serve The american people to get done.

1365
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 3: With we want to get. Done everybody wants to get,

1366
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 3: done but we want to get it done for different.

1367
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 3: Reasons so we just let people do it for their own.

1368
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 3: Reason and you start to put up these these these.

1369
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 3: Wins so the question is why Would alabama want to do?

1370
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 3: This not why WOULD i want to Tell alabama to do?

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01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: This In alabama's best, Interesting.

1372
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 3: Yeah so the question for The alabama legislature is do

1373
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 3: you want to make the rules For alabama elections or

1374
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,759
Speaker 3: do you want them to be made by five justices In. Washington,

1375
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 3: right that's fundamentally.

1376
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,799
Speaker 1: It's the strongest argument you can, make almost like a

1377
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 1: states rights.

1378
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 3: Argument, YEAH i just have a hard time If i'm

1379
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 3: an elect the legislature In alabama saying, WELL i don't

1380
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 3: really want to make the. RULES i like the way it,

1381
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 3: is and that it's coming From. Washington i've never heard

1382
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 3: that In. Alabama SO i think that they will very

1383
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 3: much be behind this because, again The, amendment very, simple

1384
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 3: is a question of who decides it puts it back

1385
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 3: in the hands of the people and our. Representatives and

1386
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 3: so we're not Telling, alabama, oh you got to.

1387
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 2: Have this rule or you've got to have that.

1388
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 3: Rule we're saying To, alabama we Want alabama's to decide

1389
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 3: what the rules.

1390
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 2: Are and SO i think it's a compelling.

1391
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: Case there's a reason results matter more than, promises just

1392
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,839
Speaker 1: like there's a Reason morgan And morgan Is america's largest

1393
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 1: injury law. Firm for the last thirty five, years they've

1394
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: recovered twenty five billion dollars for more than half a million,

1395
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: Clients it includes cases where insurance companies offered next to,

1396
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: nothing just hoping to get away with paying as little as.

1397
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: Possible morgan And morgan fought back ended up winning. Millions in,

1398
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 1: fact In, pennsylvania one client was awarded twenty six million,

1399
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: dollars which was a staggering forty times the amount that

1400
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,799
Speaker 1: the insurance company originally. Offered that original offer six hundred

1401
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars twenty six, million six hundred and

1402
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 1: fifty thousand. Dollars so with more than a thousand lawyers

1403
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: across the, country they know how to deliver for everyday.

1404
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: People if you're, injured you need a. Lawyer you need

1405
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: somebody to get your. Back check out for The people dot,

1406
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 1: Com slash podcast or now Pound, Law pound five two

1407
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: nine law on your cell. Phone and remember all law

1408
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: firms are not the. Same so check Out morgan And.

1409
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: Morgan their fee is free unless they. Win what's been

1410
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: the toughest pushback you you've had to deal?

1411
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 3: With, WELL i think there's two forms of opposition AND

1412
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 3: i respect them both and we take them both. Seriously

1413
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 3: one is the intellectual opposition is. LEGIT i, mean The

1414
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 3: Supreme court isn't filled with dumb. PEOPLE i mean this.

1415
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: Theory, no this is a libertarian, argument. Right.

1416
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 3: Yeah the first having something to do with spending the

1417
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 3: money in politics is a serious, argument and there are

1418
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 3: still a fortunately small number of people who agree with.

1419
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 3: It but the data on it now after fifty, years

1420
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 3: is not very supportive of that.

1421
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:15,480
Speaker 2: Theory so the, idea.

1422
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 3: Even if one thought it made, sense now that we

1423
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 3: see it in, practice it doesn't really seem very supportive

1424
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 3: of free speech principles unless your view of free speech

1425
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 3: is different than what Most americans seem to, think which

1426
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 3: is free speech does not mean you get to drown

1427
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 3: out every other. Person and, so but that argument is still.

1428
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 3: There the court sticks with, it many. Others you, know relatively,

1429
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 3: speaking it's probably ten percent in the, polling ten to fifteen.

1430
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 3: Percent and so we respect. That we'd love that debate

1431
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 3: because we win it every, time and because that's not

1432
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 3: where people. Are we've seen the, data we've seen the.

1433
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 3: Results but that's constitutional issues always have two. Sides there's

1434
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 3: no reason why this one. Won't so that's. Okay we'll

1435
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 3: argue that one out we think will win the, votes

1436
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 3: and the for a freedom amendment will be the new.

1437
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,680
Speaker 3: Rule the second one is more, serious and that's the

1438
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 3: ones you don't see that the, operatives the multi billion

1439
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 3: dollar political industrial complex now that's made a lot of

1440
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 3: money off the. System they're not coming out to debate,

1441
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 3: necessarily they're coming out to just try to stop.

1442
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 2: This AND i this is.

1443
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: Ject this is WHAT i fear the. Most there is

1444
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: so many wealthy people In washington who have made a

1445
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: killing off of super. Packs, yeah and they're mere existence

1446
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: and there's an entire ecosystem that is now close to

1447
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: twenty years old when you think back to really it

1448
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,679
Speaker 1: began with the two thousand and four you Know act

1449
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 1: was sort of the first one of these, then and

1450
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 1: it was, like, hey you don't even have to do that.

1451
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 1: Anymore you you don't even have to pretend there's a

1452
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 1: distinction between The kerry campaign and your independent. Expenditure you

1453
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: can have the candidate themselves can raise money for both. Entities, now,

1454
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: right that's essentially what since The united allowed and it's

1455
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: now a generational. Industry. Right there are people that have

1456
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: whose livelihoods depend on these independent. Expenditures and you're, right

1457
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 1: like that's probably the biggest impediment you. Have are you,

1458
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: know people who are afraid of losing out on. Cash.

1459
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 3: YEAH i think that's absolutely right when we take it.

1460
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 3: Seriously but you, know that is the.

1461
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 2: Fight that is the.

1462
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 3: Question about are we able to overcome that or is

1463
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 3: this our? Future and if it's our, future remember we're

1464
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 3: only twenty years, in as you, said back to two

1465
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 3: thousand and. Four if imagine what it looks like twenty

1466
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 3: years from, now fifty years from, now is not. Sustainable

1467
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 3: and so the question is are we willing to fight

1468
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 3: for what we? Got AND i don't mean fight, VIOLENTLY

1469
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 3: i mean fight with a constitutional battle which will decide the.

1470
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 3: Issue and we're not the first ones who had to do.

1471
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 3: This imagine you mentioned the progressive income. Tax imagine the

1472
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,959
Speaker 3: amendment that had to go around saying we're going to raise, taxes,

1473
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 3: right so ours?

1474
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: Bad it was because people had had. IT i mean

1475
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: this is where the moment people had had it with wealthy.

1476
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: People and back then the income text really only applied

1477
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 1: to a small group of.

1478
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 3: People, yeah and there's pretty good analogies, today don't you

1479
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 3: think you, LOOK.

1480
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 1: I think absolutely that sort of should money equal. Power

1481
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 1: we understand money equal. Speech but what you've actually done

1482
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 1: is you've equated those with the most money has the most.

1483
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: Power was that actually the founder's?

1484
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 3: Intent, yeah, Exactly and SO i like our. CHANCES i

1485
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 3: don't underestimate the opposition and the. Power but that's what

1486
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 3: this is is a power, struggle and that's what that's

1487
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:46,719
Speaker 3: the that's The american story.

1488
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 1: Is can you assuage my libertarian friends by, saying, hey

1489
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: this amendment doesn't prevent a state legislature or even a

1490
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: FUTURE Us congress from creating a system with minimal.

1491
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 3: Limits, yeah that is the argument that gets libertarians on our,

1492
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 3: side and we have many which is WHAT i.

1493
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: Thought you, Know, yeah because the WAY i read, this

1494
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't it's not one. Sided if the state Of

1495
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: wyoming wants to be a libertarian wants to be the

1496
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: inin rond experiment and essentially take away all regulate regulations

1497
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:21,839
Speaker 1: and markets and on that go to, it this amendment

1498
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: would guarantee that within the confines of the state Of.

1499
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 3: Wyoming, Right, yeah there's no reason a libertarian would prefer

1500
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 3: the current system over our, amendment which has a much

1501
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 3: more libertarian orientation than the current. SYSTEM i, think you,

1502
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 3: know a lot of, libertarians just like a lot of,

1503
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 3: businesses just like a lot of wealthy. People they, see

1504
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 3: like you, said money equaling power means government gets more

1505
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 3: and more power because it's a pay to play system

1506
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 3: and this sort of you, know and it's going up

1507
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 3: in orders of magnitude in terms of who can play

1508
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,560
Speaker 3: and who, pays and so what you don't get is

1509
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 3: a lot of liberty going. Around and SO i think

1510
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 3: real libertarians think about you, Know John locke and the

1511
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 3: sort of order ordered, libertarianism which, is you, know it's

1512
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 3: it's again that question of who, decides not not what

1513
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 3: the answer. Is and so by moving it back to the,

1514
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 3: people you're absolutely. Right if a libertarian legislature, says, hey

1515
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 3: our view, is you, know no, rules then they this

1516
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 3: doesn't force them.

1517
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 1: Otherwise and this is a you, know it's interesting reading

1518
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 1: your Amendment. Again the idea of paid campaigning was probably

1519
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: not something the founders fully thought. About they knew there'd be,

1520
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 1: factions they knew there'd be moneyed interest per, se but

1521
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: it was not A i think it's. Fairness but you're

1522
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: a bit more of a historian on. THIS i, mean

1523
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 1: how front of mind was the idea of of of

1524
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: wealth having a contributory factor to the.

1525
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 3: Democracy, WELL i think there's two different things. There one

1526
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 3: is you're, right absolutely no ability even to foresee the

1527
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 3: kind of money in, politics specifically around elections and campaigns

1528
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 3: that we have they. Did they were distrustful of, Parties

1529
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 3: they were distrustful of even acting like you're, running you,

1530
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 3: Know George washington famously, saying, Well i'll, serve But i'm

1531
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 3: not going to run around and ask for. Votes you,

1532
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 3: know it was a it was a different kind of.

1533
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 3: Thinking but they were obsessed with. Corruption they were obsessed

1534
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 3: with the power of money to corrupt the political system

1535
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 3: in a lot of. Ways the revolution was, around you,

1536
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,799
Speaker 3: know was again it was a question who decides not

1537
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 3: not whether there should be a tax on, tea but

1538
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 3: whether who gets to make.

1539
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 1: The people get to?

1540
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 2: Decide, Right, Yeah.

1541
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 3: And so you know, this a notion that it's going

1542
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 3: to be a republic versus an aristocracy is essentially saying

1543
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 3: we're going to be a place where wealth won't decide those.

1544
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 3: Questions AND i think the the consistency of our constitutional

1545
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 3: solution of money in politics with that founding vision of

1546
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 3: What american is is really.

1547
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 1: Profound and, LOOK i think one of your other challenges

1548
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 1: and fair unfair is limiting campaign, finance limiting putting limits

1549
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 1: on on the financing of. Campaigns is it is perceived

1550
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: to help the left over the. RIGHT i, CAN i

1551
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: can argue it both, ways So i'm. NOT i am,

1552
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 1: not but that is to me a perception hurdle you, have,

1553
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: right anytime you can Have it's, like why IS dc

1554
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 1: not a state? Yet and you know why can we

1555
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 1: GET dc And Puerto rico to come in? Together you,

1556
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: know they because the right has to be convinced that

1557
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: they'll Have you know that it isn't automatically going to

1558
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: change the balance of, power, right that there's a equal

1559
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 1: opportunity here in having new states added that they write

1560
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: D c. Alone, right the right opposes not on on

1561
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:55,759
Speaker 1: on high minded grounds but on simply pure political power.

1562
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 1: Grounds and so anytime you can have an, amendment that

1563
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: is that, it you, know benefits they both that ideologues

1564
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: on both sides could make the case helps them better

1565
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,759
Speaker 1: off you. Are how do you break through this idea

1566
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 1: that that limiting camp putting restrictions on the financing have

1567
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: campaigned only helps the?

1568
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 3: Left, well the facts are the best argument against, that

1569
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 3: AND i think increasingly with every election cycle somebody has

1570
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 3: been punched in the face by money in, Politics so

1571
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 3: each time we have an, election we get more, data

1572
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 3: and SO i think that's that's no longer the. Case

1573
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 3: SO i think in the early days After Citizens, united

1574
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 3: The mitch McConnell kind of Public republican party, thought, hey

1575
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 3: we can win with with unlimited money and it'll hurt The.

1576
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 3: Democrats so why would we be Against Citizens? United that

1577
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 3: that's no longer. TRUE i, Mean republicans have lost The

1578
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 3: wisconsin judicial race because of, money hundred million dollars coming

1579
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 3: in for that.

1580
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: One don't you want to Stop George? Soros? Right is

1581
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 1: that your best line to the?

1582
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 2: Right, WELL i don't have. To they'll say it to.

1583
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 3: Me they'll tell me, that and it's a true. THING i,

1584
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 3: Mean George soros really does spend a lot of money in,

1585
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 3: politics and it comes down to the local, level which

1586
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 3: it really.

1587
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 2: Affects if you.

1588
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:25,799
Speaker 3: Think About republican, interests it's it's, local it's state. Based

1589
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 3: and now every election has been, nationalized right down to

1590
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 3: the DA's DA's races and even school. Committee so that's

1591
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 3: A republican. Issue but, Look democrats have gotten very good

1592
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 3: at this game, too and nobody is too confident that

1593
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 3: they'll be able to prevail over the long haul with

1594
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:44,719
Speaker 3: one system or. ANOTHER i was talking to A Texas

1595
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:47,759
Speaker 3: republican In. Dallas he looked at our map of. States

1596
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 3: twenty three states have gotten behind this, amendment and he

1597
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 3: looks and he, says you Got california In New. York

1598
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 3: why would The democrats vote for? This because in his,

1599
01:33:57,439 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 3: mind it's The democrats who have the advance with big.

1600
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 3: Money and if you're In, texas you know this Turn texas.

1601
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 3: Blue outside money coming in all the. Time their experience

1602
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 3: is The democrats are using the system against, them and

1603
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 3: so everyone has their own. Experience AND i think we're

1604
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:18,360
Speaker 3: getting to the point now which which we thought would,

1605
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 3: happen and why the amendment is actually going to get

1606
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 3: done where both sides know that they actually won't have

1607
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 3: a sustained advantage in the current, system and both have

1608
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 3: an interest in.

1609
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 1: THIS i assume you'd love if a mainstream presidential candidate

1610
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 1: or both got behind. This, obviously if you could get

1611
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 1: both dominees behind this in twenty eight you'd get to

1612
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: thirty eight states pretty. Quickly is that your hope that

1613
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 1: you're going to influence the debate, itself or how do

1614
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: you hope to galvanize here to get to the to

1615
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: get you, know twenty three states is one, thing thirty

1616
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 1: eight to? Another or do you want to do you

1617
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 1: really Think, Congress i'm skeptical you can get it through This.

1618
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 3: Congress you, know we look at how other amendments were.

1619
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:05,680
Speaker 3: Done you, know it's interesting the founders intentionally took the

1620
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 3: president out of the. Deal there's no veto of, this

1621
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 3: there's no signing of. This it's the one thing That

1622
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 3: congress does where the president has no role and the

1623
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 3: governors have no. Role the legislatures when they, ratify do the,

1624
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 3: vote there's no governor.

1625
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 2: Roles SO i think that's.

1626
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 3: Intentional but obviously presidential races are focused a lot of.

1627
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:29,759
Speaker 3: Attention we would welcome both presidential candidates from both parties endorsing.

1628
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 3: This but in the, end this isn't a top down

1629
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,720
Speaker 3: kind of. Thing this Is god have come up from

1630
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 3: the people from the. States that's how you get the

1631
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 3: vote In. Congress that's why we do the work with

1632
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 3: The americans in every. State we don't care who you vote.

1633
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 3: For we're on the ground and Supporting americans to get this.

1634
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 3: Done and that'll be plenty to get our congressional vote

1635
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:54,600
Speaker 3: and ratification in The. States the presidential politics of, it you,

1636
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 3: know it could help or could. Hurt if one side

1637
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,679
Speaker 3: supports and the other side, doesn't then it's we're pushing

1638
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 3: up against partisan. Perceptions and so our job is simply

1639
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 3: to Support americans where we live in The, states and

1640
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 3: we'll get we'll get the.

1641
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: Votes, so.

1642
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:13,439
Speaker 3: You, know we do have a candidate pledge and we

1643
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:17,160
Speaker 3: invite all candidates to sign, it and and we have

1644
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 3: about half and Half republicans And. Democrats but in the you,

1645
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 3: know the politics of the presidential race in twenty eight

1646
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 3: will we'll do what they. Do and in the, meantime

1647
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 3: there's a lot of work that we all can do

1648
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 3: where we. Live and that's get you, know get behind this,

1649
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 3: amendment move it forward and ask our elected, representatives no

1650
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 3: matter which party they, are to support. It and then

1651
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 3: it'll be in the presidential candidate's interest to do so,

1652
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 3: too because that's where the votes will come.

1653
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 1: From where is the most amount of your efforts to

1654
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: galvanize people Go is it on the ground in state legislative?

1655
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: Races is it? More Where how is it that you

1656
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 1: feel you guys can be the most?

1657
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 3: Effective, Yeah the biggest THING i would say about, That,

1658
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 3: chuck is we don't we always say we're not going

1659
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 3: to end the. Constitution american promise isn't going to do.

1660
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 3: It The american people will do. It our job is to.

1661
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 3: Serve and so what is the highest, leverage fastest way

1662
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 3: we can Move americans behind this constitutional solution to money in.

1663
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 3: Politics and so a lot of our staff support is

1664
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 3: in the, states supporting people, there and we have replicable

1665
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 3: work through networks like business, networks local, chambers local. Rotaries

1666
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 3: and if we do, that not only are we getting

1667
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 3: the wins in the state, legislatures we're leaving in those

1668
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 3: states after they pass. This it's not like we're parachuting

1669
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 3: it in and then. Leaving we're leaving behind a well

1670
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 3: informed electorate that is eager to see this, done that's

1671
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 3: carrying it forward with leadership from state, legislators from business,

1672
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 3: groups from civic. Groups so that's where we focus our.

1673
01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 3: Attention it's not really about just you, know landing in

1674
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:04,560
Speaker 3: trying to get wins and moving. On it's about support

1675
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 3: through these kind of, networks network. Strategy and, so, yeah

1676
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 3: we want votes and. Legislatures we've we've racked up a

1677
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,759
Speaker 3: whole bunch of. Them we've won ballad. Initiatives we're seven

1678
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 3: and zero in states on ballid initiatives the most, recent

1679
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 3: And maine was eighty six. Percent so we do the

1680
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 3: work that Lets americans be heard on this and then

1681
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 3: gets legislators voting for, it no matter which party they.

1682
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 1: Are, so you, know a lot of times having you,

1683
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:33,640
Speaker 1: know there's nothing like a reform smoker to tell you

1684
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 1: not to. Smoke you, know do you have a Living

1685
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: koch brother And George soros jointly supports something like. This

1686
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 1: do you have super wealthy donors that have that have

1687
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 1: benefited from the system come out and Favor does that

1688
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 1: help or hurt your?

1689
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 3: Cause, WELL i will, say, first we disclose all our,

1690
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:53,440
Speaker 3: donors SO i encourage you to sign up At americanpromise

1691
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 3: dot net check out our annual. Report and the REASON

1692
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 3: i say that the beauty of it is you can

1693
01:38:57,880 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 3: look at all our donors AND i bet you won't

1694
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 3: know any of. Them it's regular. People and it doesn't

1695
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 3: mean they're all small dollar. Donors there are people wealthy

1696
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 3: people too who are very concerned about this. Interest, yeah and,

1697
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 3: yes many of them participate in the current. System spending,

1698
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 3: wise but it's not working for, them just like it's

1699
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:18,599
Speaker 3: not working for most. PEOPLE i, remember you, know we're

1700
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:22,559
Speaker 3: talking to somebody who's fairly, wealthy basically telling, us you,

1701
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 3: know ten million dollars doesn't get your phone calls returned.

1702
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 3: Anymore so it's like when they start feeling like they

1703
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 3: have no, voice you know.

1704
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 1: That, well it's, funny, right the seven figure donor is

1705
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 1: just another. Donor, yeah major parties, now so it really it's.

1706
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 1: Funny it's sort of like what used to buy? Access does? It?

1707
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 1: Well you you don't get what you're paid for, anymore,

1708
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 1: Right like.

1709
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 2: All sorts of.

1710
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 1: THINGS i remember WHEN i remember when bribing a politician

1711
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 1: was a, nickel, Right, no, yeah maybe that is maybe

1712
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 1: that is a way to get some of these folks on.

1713
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:58,799
Speaker 3: Board, yeah but you, know the we have no, cokes

1714
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:02,720
Speaker 3: we have no, sources we have no famous. Downers But

1715
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 3: i'd encourage all of them to like ask, themselves you,

1716
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 3: know whether you're the coach or the, sarus is this

1717
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 3: really working for you and for the. Country and it

1718
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 3: would be great to see them, say, hey we can

1719
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 3: keep doing, this but let's join together and put an

1720
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 3: end to.

1721
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 1: It jeff. Clements it's, Look I'M i am one of

1722
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:24,639
Speaker 1: those who believes we are in a moment that, FRANKLY

1723
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 1: i think we could use from civics, education we could

1724
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:29,720
Speaker 1: use a moment focusing on The constitution and sort of

1725
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 1: getting people. THERE i think, inevitably you, know in some,

1726
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 1: days you know this is never let a crisis go to.

1727
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 1: Waste this is one of. Those we're in a crisis

1728
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 1: moment for. Democracy it's an opportunity to do some. Repairs

1729
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: so we'll see if we'll do. It we'll see if

1730
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:46,720
Speaker 1: we can get.

1731
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:50,640
Speaker 3: Traction absolutely, Well thank, You, chuck really enjoyed talking with you.

1732
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 1: Today appreciate, It appreciate the, Time, john good luck with.

1733
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 2: It thank you so. Much thank Care.

1734
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 1: WELL i hope you're ready to sign. Up as at

1735
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 1: the point there is is simply this is an amendment

1736
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 1: about giving our legislative branches on the federal level and

1737
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 1: on the state level the power to do. This, ultimately

1738
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 1: the judiciary has taken away the legislative branch's ability to

1739
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 1: actually regulate the financing of campaigns because there's been an

1740
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 1: interpretation that money equals. Speech so if you want to

1741
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 1: have regulating any sort of regulation regulating on, spending regulating on,

1742
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 1: giving you're going to have probably you're going to have to.

1743
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:45,680
Speaker 1: Have it's clear our judiciary has, said you, know you

1744
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 1: could spend fifty years hoping you can convince judges to

1745
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 1: look at the content The First amendment differently on that,

1746
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: front or you'll put in an amendment that is because

1747
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: guess what this won't take Away and that's WHY i

1748
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:02,440
Speaker 1: ended it. There this is not about putting in an

1749
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 1: amendment to regulate the financial doesn't mean a state might, say,

1750
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 1: hey we're gonna have unlimited. Financing you, know there's just

1751
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 1: but the point is is giving that power to the

1752
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 1: legislature rather than giving that power to the, judiciary which

1753
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:21,080
Speaker 1: in this, case we've allowed unelected judges to decide our

1754
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 1: campaign finance. Laws and that is not what anybody. Intended All,

1755
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:29,759
Speaker 1: RIGHT i got my top five. List it Is, Wednesday

1756
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:40,720
Speaker 1: Top top AND i thought i'd give you the opportunity

1757
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 1: to give you maybe The Chuck Todd holiday book buying gift,

1758
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 1: guide if you. Will these are five books THAT i

1759
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 1: think are worth reading this. Year doesn't mean they're my

1760
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:55,679
Speaker 1: five favorite books of the, year but they were five

1761
01:42:55,720 --> 01:43:01,680
Speaker 1: books THAT i found, informative, important or interesting or a

1762
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 1: little bit of. Both so number five on that list

1763
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 1: is a book that did not come out this. Year

1764
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 1: it actually came out a few years, ago and it's

1765
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 1: not a book that got a lot of. Attention but

1766
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 1: it is now a book THAT i would recommend to

1767
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 1: anybody that works in the world of finance or works

1768
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:25,680
Speaker 1: in the world of business that they need to go

1769
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 1: pick up a copy in the next few weeks and.

1770
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 1: Read and it is Called The, drift and it is

1771
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 1: By Kevin. Hassett so why DO i say you need

1772
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:36,640
Speaker 1: to write this book read this? Book, well this is

1773
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 1: a book that got very little attention when it came.

1774
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 1: Out he wrote this book probably assuming he was never

1775
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:47,000
Speaker 1: going to work in Another trump. Administration the book came

1776
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:50,240
Speaker 1: out just after the twenty twenty. Election Kevin hassett worked

1777
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 1: in the First Trumpet he's one of the few people

1778
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 1: that worked in a high profile position in the First

1779
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 1: trump administration as an economic advisor and has made it

1780
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 1: to a Second trumpet. Administration it's basically Him Stephen, miller,

1781
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 1: right AND i Guess russell voightd was was, there but

1782
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:11,640
Speaker 1: but more in a in a in a lower. Capacity

1783
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,800
Speaker 1: But Kevin hassett very well maybe the next chair of

1784
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:22,559
Speaker 1: The Federal, reserve and so understanding his worldview and much

1785
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:25,000
Speaker 1: of his, worldview he's sort of the point of the

1786
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 1: drift is he basically defends The trump, era defends his

1787
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:33,479
Speaker 1: work With trump and The trump era as, look there

1788
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,719
Speaker 1: may be a lot of things not to like About Donald,

1789
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:38,599
Speaker 1: trump the, person which he sort of which he hinside

1790
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 1: in this, book but that he was a necessary correction

1791
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:45,679
Speaker 1: for what was a drift towards socialism that was taking

1792
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 1: place not just inside The Democratic party but in various

1793
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 1: institutions of academy and the, media et. Cetera it is

1794
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 1: how he frames his. Book regardless of whether you agree

1795
01:44:56,520 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 1: with that framing or, NOT i would, argue if you

1796
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 1: want to be a well informed person about understanding where's

1797
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 1: THE fed, going what Does hassett? Believe how does he

1798
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 1: Interpret trump's? Beliefs how does he Defend? Trump Kevin, asseid

1799
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 1: who somebody who sort of came up in the, world

1800
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 1: the same world That Alan greenspan came up. Through you,

1801
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 1: know he was sort of an acolyte at times of Green.

1802
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:28,240
Speaker 1: Span SO i think it it. Is it is as

1803
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 1: illuminating as any ex staffer book is going to be

1804
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 1: because what this book wasn't unlike Say pence's book Or

1805
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:44,880
Speaker 1: John bolton's. Book it isn't a total evisceration Of Donald.

1806
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 1: Trump it is more of an. Observation you, know there's

1807
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:53,400
Speaker 1: he takes, Pride so it is not an antagonistic book On.

1808
01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 1: Trump BUT i think it's one of. THESE i don't

1809
01:45:58,040 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 1: think people realized he wrote a. Book didn't get a

1810
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:05,960
Speaker 1: lot of. Attention it's you, know it's not The i'm

1811
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 1: not going to tell you it's the world's greatest, read

1812
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 1: BUT i think it's an important. READ i know some

1813
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 1: of you listen to my podcast just for you, know

1814
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:18,840
Speaker 1: whether you love or hate the DIRECTION i take this.

1815
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 1: Podcast you were looking for usable, information, WELL i would

1816
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 1: tell you reading this book will give you plenty of

1817
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 1: usable information to navigate A fed and a central bank

1818
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 1: that could be run By Kevin. Hassett and you get

1819
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 1: to get ahead of the, game get to know the

1820
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:40,680
Speaker 1: book before senators start asking him questions during his confirmation

1821
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 1: hearing about the. Book all, right so that's number. Five

1822
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:49,120
Speaker 1: number four is The Mark twain book By Ron. CHERNOW

1823
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 1: i enjoyed it for the most, part But i'll be,

1824
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 1: honest not as much AS i enjoyed His grant. BOOK

1825
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:58,760
Speaker 1: i did enjoy His grant book, more BUT i learned

1826
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:00,679
Speaker 1: a lot About Mark. Twain and in some, Ways Mark

1827
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 1: twain is, arguably you, know the closest thing that we

1828
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:07,720
Speaker 1: had in the nineteenth century to a quote unquote, influencer,

1829
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:12,799
Speaker 1: right an outsider and outside force who could who could

1830
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:17,720
Speaker 1: stir the pot of the country and could galvanize the

1831
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:22,640
Speaker 1: country on certain issues if he so. Chose you, know

1832
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:25,920
Speaker 1: now we have a Million Mark twain's. Right you, know

1833
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 1: would Today's mark Would Mark twain himself be on? YouTube

1834
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:32,080
Speaker 1: he probably. Would he certainly would have A would he

1835
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:33,800
Speaker 1: have a podcast or would he be more of a

1836
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 1: monologue kind of? Guy? Right would he interview others or

1837
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:41,920
Speaker 1: would he just simply opine on a given? Day but,

1838
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 1: uh it's A i enjoy sure now because he's WOULD

1839
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 1: i do the best part of his. Books it isn't

1840
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 1: just learning more about the individual he's talking, about but

1841
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:00,760
Speaker 1: he just does a great job of capturing the era as.

1842
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:04,559
Speaker 1: Well you, know it's the little, details it's that, stuff

1843
01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:08,599
Speaker 1: trying to understand the world that these folks were living

1844
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:12,800
Speaker 1: in at the, time not just trying to understand the

1845
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:17,200
Speaker 1: psyche of them in that. Moment so BUT i think

1846
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:22,599
Speaker 1: That twain in some ways the Quintessential, american a model

1847
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:24,920
Speaker 1: for so, many so many of, us, good bad or

1848
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:30,920
Speaker 1: otherwise just a it's a timely it's a timely. Moment it's,

1849
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:33,720
Speaker 1: timely you, know it's it's timely's the wrong. Word, no

1850
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 1: it's more of a timeless, biography if you. Will BUT

1851
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:39,559
Speaker 1: i think an important, one and it came out this,

1852
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 1: year SO i definitely think it should be on your

1853
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:47,160
Speaker 1: on your gift. Liss number three is is one that

1854
01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 1: you may not be surprised And I'm i'm pushing again

1855
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:52,760
Speaker 1: and it's the Right thompson book Called The. BARN i

1856
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:54,560
Speaker 1: don't know if it technically came out this year or.

1857
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:57,400
Speaker 1: NOT i don't think it. DID i think it came

1858
01:48:57,439 --> 01:49:01,679
Speaker 1: out last. Year but as you, know you know it's

1859
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 1: this first of, all it's just this is a really

1860
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:08,479
Speaker 1: just a great book to. Read it is if you

1861
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:13,280
Speaker 1: want to, write what it's like to read somebody who

1862
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:17,160
Speaker 1: just is just better with words than most people in

1863
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 1: your life. Are that's Right thompson AND i LOVE i

1864
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:25,920
Speaker 1: hope you had a chance to listen to the interview with.

1865
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,479
Speaker 1: Them those of you that. Did i'm sure you've already

1866
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 1: bought the. Book it is such a compelling. Read but

1867
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:35,600
Speaker 1: the sort of the idea behind the, book, right that

1868
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:38,680
Speaker 1: here was something that happened within twenty five miles of

1869
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:41,680
Speaker 1: where he grew. Up, Right Emmett till killed in a

1870
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:44,920
Speaker 1: barn just within essentially the same neighbor you, know in

1871
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 1: the same larger community that he grew up. In that

1872
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,040
Speaker 1: Right thompson grew up, in and he didn't know anything about.

1873
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 1: It it's amazing how little of our own a little

1874
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:58,519
Speaker 1: of our local, history we sometimes know the good or

1875
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:03,400
Speaker 1: the bad. History and so in some, ways reading the,

1876
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 1: BOOK i hope a lesson to, hey don't forget to

1877
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:07,680
Speaker 1: look around where you. Live don't forget to learn the

1878
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:10,560
Speaker 1: history of your own. Neighborhood you may be surprised on

1879
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:13,000
Speaker 1: how much you learn and how much it may matter

1880
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 1: in the in the grand scheme of. Things so that's number.

1881
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 1: Three number four on my list is one hundred and Seven,

1882
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:25,720
Speaker 1: Days Kamala harris's memoir about her. Campaign, Look i've spent

1883
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:27,679
Speaker 1: a lot of time talking about the book when it came,

1884
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 1: out BUT i did enjoy. IT i you, know we

1885
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 1: can debate whether this was good for her future political

1886
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:37,880
Speaker 1: career or bad for her future political. Career but guess

1887
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 1: what it felt. Like it was sometimes these memoirs are so,

1888
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 1: dishonest are or they're, honest but they're but they're. Sanitized

1889
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:53,560
Speaker 1: this didn't feel very. Sanitized this felt. Different and you

1890
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 1: know it's interesting about. HER i was having this conversation

1891
01:50:57,320 --> 01:50:59,600
Speaker 1: With crystalism and he, said you know who had the,

1892
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 1: yes who had the best or worst twenty twenty. Eight you,

1893
01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:06,040
Speaker 1: know we both agreed That Gavin, newsom for anybody think

1894
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 1: about running for president of The democratic, Side Kevin newsom

1895
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 1: probably had the best twenty twenty. Eight he believes That

1896
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 1: Kamala harris at the. WORST i. DON'T i disagreed with

1897
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:18,720
Speaker 1: him on. IT i understood the case, saying, well you,

1898
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:22,439
Speaker 1: know she made everybody, mad and it's, true, right she

1899
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 1: seems to. Have she seems to have thrown a few

1900
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 1: matches at a few of the bridges that she's crossed

1901
01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:31,799
Speaker 1: over the. Years right, then maybe she burned a bridge

1902
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 1: With Biden, world maybe she burned a bridge with Jos,

1903
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:37,639
Speaker 1: Shapiro maybe she burned a bridge With Mark. Kelly maybe

1904
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 1: she burned a bridge With Gavin. Newsom but there was

1905
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:46,639
Speaker 1: another part of me that was surprised at her, candor

1906
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:50,080
Speaker 1: and she didn't play the. Type you, know she's been

1907
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:53,360
Speaker 1: a politician that's been very careful over the, years and

1908
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 1: she chose to be less careful in this. Memoir is

1909
01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 1: this a Different Kamala? Harris is this the beginning of

1910
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:02,919
Speaker 1: a different relationships she wants to have with with her political,

1911
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 1: career a different way she'd go about running for. Office

1912
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:08,840
Speaker 1: the point is is THAT i think there's a lot

1913
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 1: to learn about one hundred and scent about sort of

1914
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:13,559
Speaker 1: the state of The Democratic party circa twenty twenty. Four

1915
01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:21,519
Speaker 1: BUT i found it quite, compelling and it, was you,

1916
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:23,800
Speaker 1: know not a hard. Read especially you, know it was

1917
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:27,400
Speaker 1: sort of like it's like reading the director's notes on

1918
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:30,280
Speaker 1: a movie you already, saw but in some ways the

1919
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 1: director's notes help you understand the movie even a little bit.

1920
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 1: BETTER i think you're not wasting your time by reading this.

1921
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:42,759
Speaker 1: BOOK i think there's something to learn and the number

1922
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 1: one book And i'm in the middle of it, now

1923
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:50,360
Speaker 1: BUT i think it is absolutely consequential reading circa twenty

1924
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 1: twenty five is a book Called Fateful. Hours it is

1925
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 1: by Vulkar ulwrich And it's been translated from the Original

1926
01:52:58,360 --> 01:53:01,800
Speaker 1: german by a gentleman Named Jefferson, chase and it is

1927
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:04,840
Speaker 1: a new take on the collapse of the we are,

1928
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 1: republic the democracy that was in place After World War

1929
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:12,720
Speaker 1: one and before the rise Of. Hitler why did it?

1930
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 1: Fall how did it? Collapse what were the warning? Signs

1931
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of commentary about how democracies, fail how

1932
01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:25,479
Speaker 1: republic how republics. Die, well this is an example of

1933
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 1: a republic that died one hundred years ago and in

1934
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:31,639
Speaker 1: its place came made Off. Hitler how did it? Happen

1935
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:38,400
Speaker 1: how could such a modern westernized place do. This let's

1936
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:42,840
Speaker 1: just SAY i have found it both reassuring and, alarming

1937
01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:50,720
Speaker 1: but most importantly it's eye. Opening and, LOOK i a

1938
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:54,280
Speaker 1: is the the the the the they must read article

1939
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 1: of the month THAT i gave you last episode from

1940
01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:01,320
Speaker 1: the political quarterly of the count On Foreign relations Called Foreign,

1941
01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:06,000
Speaker 1: affairs about this idea that we The United states have

1942
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:13,240
Speaker 1: slipped from a democracy to something called competitive. Authoritarianism let's

1943
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 1: just say this is a pretty good companion, read AND

1944
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 1: i think one that will round. Out you read all

1945
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:23,760
Speaker 1: five of these, Books, okay you read all five of

1946
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:27,880
Speaker 1: these books AND i think you will be as well

1947
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:32,160
Speaker 1: informed and as ready for the political landscape that we

1948
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:36,600
Speaker 1: are all having to navigate going in to twenty twenty.

1949
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:39,880
Speaker 1: Six so my five Books The drift By Kevin, hassett

1950
01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 1: The Mark twain biography By Ron Chernow The Barn The

1951
01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:48,920
Speaker 1: Place where A Mattil Was killed By Right, Thompson one

1952
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:52,680
Speaker 1: hundred and Seven days By Kamala, harris and my number

1953
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:57,880
Speaker 1: one recommendation book that you should be reading going into

1954
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Six Faithful Hour The collapse of the Wim Are.

1955
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 1: Republic so there you. Go there's your shopping list for

1956
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:15,680
Speaker 1: the political junkie in your. Life all, right let's do

1957
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:22,320
Speaker 1: a little, Ass chuck Asked. Chuck first question today comes

1958
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:26,880
Speaker 1: From jason IN ny otherwise known As New. York he, Goes,

1959
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:28,960
Speaker 1: HEY i really appreciate the bonus episodes that you put out,

1960
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:31,560
Speaker 1: recently as political events have. WARRANTED i too believed that

1961
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:34,200
Speaker 1: The indiana GOP's rebuke Of trump And trump's revolting comments

1962
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 1: About Rob reiner were significant enough moments to call for quick.

1963
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:39,480
Speaker 1: Reactions hope to see if more of those in the. Future,

1964
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 1: WELL i appreciate. It, LOOK i go hot and cold

1965
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 1: on THAT i don't want to Be i'm not you,

1966
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:47,960
Speaker 1: know somebody who's just, chasing you, KNOW i don't want

1967
01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 1: to be here quote chasing the, news if you. Will

1968
01:55:52,520 --> 01:55:54,720
Speaker 1: BUT i also think that that IF i THINK i

1969
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:57,120
Speaker 1: have something to add and trying to add a perspective

1970
01:55:57,120 --> 01:56:00,400
Speaker 1: about how you should think about a major, event that's

1971
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:02,480
Speaker 1: WHEN i try to try to chime in on. That

1972
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:07,280
Speaker 1: AND i think these were both significant, events AND i

1973
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 1: think that they're going to trigger larger. Discussions. RIGHT i

1974
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:13,600
Speaker 1: think The indian Of gyop rebuke is a reminder that

1975
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:18,320
Speaker 1: something That i've been sort of forecasting for the last three.

1976
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:20,840
Speaker 1: MONTHS i send you back to a sub STECK i

1977
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:23,920
Speaker 1: THINK i wrote in Late september Early, october which the

1978
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:27,360
Speaker 1: cracks in the coalition were beginning to. Show and then you,

1979
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:29,720
Speaker 1: know right after that, piece we've seen more and more

1980
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 1: examples of. It, right whether It's Marjorie Taylor, green whether

1981
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:35,640
Speaker 1: it's The Indiana, republicans and, yaha, YadA. YadA so it,

1982
01:56:35,720 --> 01:56:39,680
Speaker 1: is you, know it is part of this is just, time.

1983
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:44,200
Speaker 1: Right no political movement has THAT i can think of

1984
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:46,040
Speaker 1: in our, history has been able to go more than

1985
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 1: more than eight to ten. Years and we're sort of

1986
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:51,160
Speaker 1: we're at the, end, Right we're at The we're at

1987
01:56:51,160 --> 01:56:54,000
Speaker 1: The we're at the beginning of the. End we're at the.

1988
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:56,480
Speaker 1: End it's not the end of the. End it's not

1989
01:56:56,600 --> 01:56:58,640
Speaker 1: the end of the. Beginning, OKAY i think that's that

1990
01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:01,000
Speaker 1: we're past the end of the. BEGINNING i think we're

1991
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:03,800
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the. End and this is you,

1992
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:06,240
Speaker 1: know it's everything is going to get is going to

1993
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:09,080
Speaker 1: get worse for. Him. Everything you, Know you're going to

1994
01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:12,600
Speaker 1: see The republicans fracture a little bit more the closer

1995
01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:15,720
Speaker 1: we get to election. Day, Look i'm not saying some

1996
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:17,800
Speaker 1: new outside event that none of us have thought of

1997
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:20,680
Speaker 1: won't create a rally around the flag. Effect there's always

1998
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:24,720
Speaker 1: there are always. Possibilities there's always the one, percent the

1999
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:28,360
Speaker 1: two percent chances where things go another. Direction but on

2000
01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:34,040
Speaker 1: the trajectory we're on and assuming sort of you, know

2001
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:37,920
Speaker 1: events that take place within the normal sort of set

2002
01:57:37,960 --> 01:57:42,080
Speaker 1: of expectations that we, have this is only going to

2003
01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 1: get more. Acute and, then of, course on the writer,

2004
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:48,080
Speaker 1: THING i really think. IT i think there's a Reason

2005
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:50,760
Speaker 1: i'm framing it as a do we need to be

2006
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 1: thinking about whether he's this is the beginning of his

2007
01:57:55,920 --> 01:58:01,880
Speaker 1: own downfall of is just his basic. Capacity if you

2008
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:05,160
Speaker 1: don't have a filter for something like this, anymore what

2009
01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 1: else is not going so? Well SO i think this

2010
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 1: is one of those that we needed. This this for

2011
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:15,040
Speaker 1: me is a bit more alarming because either staff was

2012
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 1: afraid to tell him this was, crazy or they did

2013
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:22,880
Speaker 1: and he did it, anyway, Right and so these felt significant.

2014
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:27,960
Speaker 1: Enough SO i appreciate you, noticing BUT i promise YOU

2015
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:31,160
Speaker 1: i don't want to go, down you, know chasing every

2016
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:34,440
Speaker 1: squirrel down that. Road all. Right next question comes From

2017
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 1: eric from another question From New. York given the competitiveness

2018
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:39,840
Speaker 1: Of ohio And IOWA Us center, races do you think

2019
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:43,560
Speaker 1: A democrat could win The Florida senate? Race? Thanks, Eric, well,

2020
01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:46,120
Speaker 1: look all the ingredients are there for a competitive. Race

2021
01:58:46,160 --> 01:58:48,800
Speaker 1: you have an appointed. Senator the history of appointed senators

2022
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:53,240
Speaker 1: in general indicate, that you, know they're the most you,

2023
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:58,440
Speaker 1: know they're more vulnerable than even a first term senator

2024
01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 1: trying to seek. Reelection appointed, senators you, know have the

2025
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:05,640
Speaker 1: have the worst of all, worlds, Right they they have

2026
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:09,880
Speaker 1: the they're an incumbent without any of the upside of.

2027
01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:13,880
Speaker 1: Incumbency they only have the downsides of. It so there's that,

2028
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:17,800
Speaker 1: right And Ashley moody's you, know she's not a well

2029
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:23,280
Speaker 1: known political figure, yet and But florida's very, expensive and

2030
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:28,880
Speaker 1: The Florida Democratic party is just structurally so far. Behind you,

2031
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:32,080
Speaker 1: know Shared brown has an organization that these almost turn

2032
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:36,200
Speaker 1: key For Ohio. Democrats and even though that's a state

2033
01:59:36,240 --> 01:59:40,240
Speaker 1: where overall The Democratic party is in Worsh democratic maybe

2034
01:59:40,240 --> 01:59:41,920
Speaker 1: brand is in worship In ohio than it is In.

2035
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:45,880
Speaker 1: Florida structurally they're already more. Competitive They're iowa being a smaller.

2036
01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:49,840
Speaker 1: State they have a very strong gubernatorial candidate In rob

2037
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:53,520
Speaker 1: sand that also helps it be. COMPETITIVE i do think

2038
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:56,320
Speaker 1: that if the governor's race gets, competitive then The senate

2039
01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 1: race will automatically start to get more. Competitive keep it

2040
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:03,520
Speaker 1: eye out On Jared. MOSCOWITZ i think if he ends up,

2041
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:06,880
Speaker 1: running he's a member Of. Congress he's been on this,

2042
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 1: podcast he. SAID i asked him point blank if he

2043
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:11,600
Speaker 1: was thinking about running, statewide and he, said, well if

2044
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:14,360
Speaker 1: they redistrict me and he would be among the. Targets

2045
02:00:14,360 --> 02:00:17,440
Speaker 1: AND i do Think florida still. MIGHT i, Mean i'll

2046
02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:23,160
Speaker 1: be curious to see Whether indiana's rejection of redistricting that

2047
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:26,600
Speaker 1: if it means the fever's. Broken but if we do

2048
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:28,920
Speaker 1: have two more states that engage in, this it's gonna

2049
02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:31,600
Speaker 1: Be florida And, virginia one for the Team red and

2050
02:00:31,640 --> 02:00:35,840
Speaker 1: one For Team. Blue and we'll see what kind of

2051
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:39,840
Speaker 1: we'll know pretty. QUICKLY i Think jared Moscow it's could

2052
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:42,760
Speaker 1: be a very Powerful senate candidate if because he said

2053
02:00:42,760 --> 02:00:45,920
Speaker 1: if he gets redistrict he represents sort of Northern Broward,

2054
02:00:45,960 --> 02:00:50,960
Speaker 1: county Southern Palm Beach, county they could sort of make

2055
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:53,200
Speaker 1: it a bit you know already was only sort of

2056
02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:55,880
Speaker 1: A i think a plus Two harris. District he could

2057
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:59,400
Speaker 1: turn it could turn into something that he's. Buying and

2058
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:03,360
Speaker 1: he sickly said if they go after his district and

2059
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:05,920
Speaker 1: he'll probably just run for The. Senate there's a candidate

2060
02:01:05,960 --> 02:01:08,440
Speaker 1: in there, now somebody who's a school board part of

2061
02:01:08,440 --> 02:01:12,480
Speaker 1: the school board wars with The moms Of. Liberty it's

2062
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:15,240
Speaker 1: an organization on the left that went After moms For

2063
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:17,680
Speaker 1: liberty and somebody. There but you know she's got a

2064
02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:21,000
Speaker 1: you're not going to get a financial commitment unless you

2065
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:23,640
Speaker 1: get a higher profile. Candidate moscowotz might be a high

2066
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:28,720
Speaker 1: profile enough where he could bring a decent a decent

2067
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:33,560
Speaker 1: financial following with. Him BUT i don't think The senate

2068
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:36,120
Speaker 1: race gets competitive without the governor's race being, competitive and

2069
02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:40,920
Speaker 1: that's an open. QUESTION i do think That democrats ended

2070
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:43,360
Speaker 1: up with two pretty good candidates in the governor's, race

2071
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:46,320
Speaker 1: And David johny And Jerry. Demings one could argue one

2072
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:47,720
Speaker 1: of them out of run in The senate race that

2073
02:01:47,720 --> 02:01:49,560
Speaker 1: they've got too many good candidates in the governor's, race

2074
02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:52,720
Speaker 1: not enough good candidates in The senate. Race but we'll

2075
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:59,160
Speaker 1: say BUT i do think it should. Be but the

2076
02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:02,840
Speaker 1: cost is it's so. PROHIBITIVE i think they're more likely

2077
02:02:02,920 --> 02:02:07,040
Speaker 1: to spend money Targeting mississippi and trying to Put mississippi in,

2078
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:09,000
Speaker 1: play which is not as far fetched as you might,

2079
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:15,240
Speaker 1: think because five million, dollars you, know an extra five

2080
02:02:15,240 --> 02:02:17,840
Speaker 1: to ten million dollars In mississippi would have a huge.

2081
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:20,320
Speaker 1: Impact an extra five to ten million dollars In florida

2082
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:28,240
Speaker 1: would have minimal. Impact next question comes From Tboor shinto From.

2083
02:02:28,280 --> 02:02:31,480
Speaker 1: Toronto he, says longtime listener watcher From toronto, HERE i

2084
02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:34,120
Speaker 1: have a possibly naive question about journalism in THE. Us

2085
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:37,120
Speaker 1: why didn't reporters directly challenge the president when he makes

2086
02:02:37,160 --> 02:02:39,800
Speaker 1: inappropriate offensive statements like the ones About Rob ryner are

2087
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:42,480
Speaker 1: calling journalists. Stupid many in the media react ON tv

2088
02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:44,200
Speaker 1: or in, print but rarely pushed back to his face

2089
02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:46,480
Speaker 1: in the. Moment why isn't anyone asked him directly why

2090
02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:49,200
Speaker 1: he behaves that, way maybe using more polite, Language just

2091
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:51,040
Speaker 1: curious why no one takes that? Shot thanks for all

2092
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:53,720
Speaker 1: the great, Insights, WELL i would argue in the first,

2093
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:56,720
Speaker 1: term we all. DID i would ask him questions about.

2094
02:02:56,760 --> 02:03:00,640
Speaker 1: IT i confronted him directly at an off the record

2095
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:04,760
Speaker 1: meeting during when he was president, elect basically saying when

2096
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:07,800
Speaker 1: he name checks our correspondence in the, field he puts

2097
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:11,080
Speaker 1: their lives at. Risk he puts a spotlight on him

2098
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:13,919
Speaker 1: in ways that he. DOES i believe he didn't, intend

2099
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:18,600
Speaker 1: is HOW i put. It but you, know there's a

2100
02:03:18,680 --> 02:03:21,640
Speaker 1: REASON i think In trump two point, zero why so

2101
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:24,480
Speaker 1: many people in these same positions that some of us

2102
02:03:24,480 --> 02:03:27,880
Speaker 1: were in have chosen not to do it because none

2103
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:30,840
Speaker 1: of you, know nobody wants to be fodder to help

2104
02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:36,800
Speaker 1: somebody else's social media, following and SO i think there's

2105
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:41,800
Speaker 1: this belief that it it doesn't do what you think

2106
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:47,960
Speaker 1: it's going to, do and if, anything it only it

2107
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:53,960
Speaker 1: only it only puts you in a position of having

2108
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:57,640
Speaker 1: to debate the, president, right which is you're just. So

2109
02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:03,360
Speaker 1: it's a lot of us don't want to be a,

2110
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:07,040
Speaker 1: story and we don't want to insert, ourselves not out of,

2111
02:04:07,080 --> 02:04:11,080
Speaker 1: fear out of. Distraction we don't want to be used

2112
02:04:11,080 --> 02:04:13,880
Speaker 1: as a you, KNOW i didn't like. IT i always

2113
02:04:13,960 --> 02:04:16,240
Speaker 1: WHENEVER i got a whiff of a guest trying to

2114
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Speaker 1: use an appearance to raise money to don't, fundraise you,

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Speaker 1: KNOW i did my best to gum that. Up there's

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Speaker 1: a fairly memorable back and FORTH i had With Ted

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Speaker 1: cruz one time that it was clear he accepted the

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Speaker 1: invitation only to try to use me as an attempt

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Speaker 1: for political fundraising. Fodder but the tone of the conversation

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Speaker 1: went in such a way that he would have been

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Speaker 1: a self owned had he tried. IT i didn't realize

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Speaker 1: that's what he was up to until about halfway through the,

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Speaker 1: interview and it was, like, oh NOW i know why

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Speaker 1: you came, On and it was just. Anyway it was

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Speaker 1: during the first. Impeachment if you want to go back

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Speaker 1: and go find that back and forth THAT i had with,

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Speaker 1: him let's just Say i'll just use three letters to

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Speaker 1: give you a hint about where the conversation went TO

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Speaker 1: jfk And i'll just let you know and you can

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Speaker 1: sort of imagine where the where that part of the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Went SO i think that's the that's, why you, know

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Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like it gets you, anywhere and IT

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Speaker 1: i don't want to say journalists don't do it out of.

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Speaker 1: Fear fear is the wrong. WORD i think it's sort

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Speaker 1: of like is it? Effective like, ultimately what is our?

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Speaker 1: Role is your role to get information out to? UNDERSTAND

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Speaker 1: i could tell you the private Conversations i've had with

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Speaker 1: him about. This i'm, like why do you you know

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Speaker 1: you do? That you? Know he he sort of has

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Speaker 1: always viewed the press as playing a, part like almost

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Speaker 1: like the chorus and A shakespeare, play that that we're

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Speaker 1: all playing a, role and his role is to go

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Speaker 1: after the. Press the press is sort of, that you,

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Speaker 1: Know i've always equated. It he sees us all as

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Speaker 1: Have the REASON i USED wwf is back in my,

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Speaker 1: day it was THE wwf and it was a guy

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Speaker 1: named the press person was a guy Named Gene okerland

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Speaker 1: mean Gene, oakerland and he was, who you, know all

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Speaker 1: the wrestlers picked on because he was the, press you,

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Speaker 1: know et. Cetera AND i always said that That trump

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Speaker 1: sort of viewed us as Mean Gene, oakland that we

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Speaker 1: were kind of in on the. Joke and he would

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Speaker 1: say even say things to me, like, oh it's just

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Speaker 1: good for your, ratings it's good for your. NAME i

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02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:42,760
Speaker 1: d you, know it only gives you more, attention it

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Speaker 1: only makes you more, money it only gives you more book.

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Speaker 1: Deals that was his mindset about it back. Then IT'S

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Speaker 1: i think that's a little more. Nefarious BUT i, don't you,

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Speaker 1: know what what do you? Expect what do you expect

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Speaker 1: him to? Say sometimes when you, ask you, KNOW i

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Speaker 1: understand sort of, like you, Know i'd rather press him

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Speaker 1: on why is he pardoning a convicted Drug why did

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Speaker 1: he pardon somebody who was convicted of being a drug?

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Speaker 1: Trafficker are you taking you? Know did you? Know did?

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Speaker 1: It you? Know why do you pardon your? Friends you?

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Speaker 1: Know why did you pardon you, Know Henry? Kuayer you,

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Speaker 1: KNOW i think there are other questions that if you

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Speaker 1: have the chance at a, shot a question because let's,

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Speaker 1: say you, know why did you say that About Rob

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Speaker 1: bryner and his. ANSWER i can tell you what his answer, Was,

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Speaker 1: well he attacked me. First it's always that's always usually

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Speaker 1: his defense when they came after. Me you, KNOW i

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have said anything had they not said. This you,

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Speaker 1: know he always, SAYS i don't attack. PEOPLE i defend,

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Speaker 1: myself so BUT i. Could BUT i definitely you're, right

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Speaker 1: there is less of this Than trump two point zero

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Speaker 1: because as many of us tried this In trump one

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Speaker 1: point zero and it didn't seem to go, Anywhere it

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Speaker 1: didn't seem to didn't really produce an. Answer you, KNOW

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02:08:10,680 --> 02:08:12,920
Speaker 1: i think there's a lot of, people And i'm you

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02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:16,400
Speaker 1: know that listen to this podcast that want the press

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02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:22,120
Speaker 1: to express the outrage that they. Have but it's the

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02:08:22,160 --> 02:08:26,360
Speaker 1: equivalent of punching your you, know punching a, wall a dry.

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Speaker 1: Wall you, know you might punch a hole in the

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02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:31,560
Speaker 1: wall and you might feel, strong but then you've got

2187
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:32,920
Speaker 1: to go back and patch up the, wall and what

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02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:36,560
Speaker 1: have you really? Accomplished you, know you can express your

2189
02:08:36,600 --> 02:08:41,040
Speaker 1: outrage in. Him he doesn't say anything, satisfactory and whatever

2190
02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:44,760
Speaker 1: he says will outrage people who are already, outraged and

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02:08:44,840 --> 02:08:50,320
Speaker 1: so it's you, KNOW i think that's you, KNOW i

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02:08:50,320 --> 02:08:52,880
Speaker 1: don't and maybe that's not a satisfactory enter to. YOU

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02:08:53,560 --> 02:08:56,800
Speaker 1: i get, it but you, know there comes a point

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Speaker 1: of you, know is there anything to be gained and

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02:09:01,680 --> 02:09:05,840
Speaker 1: understanding more about him or are you just trying to

2196
02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:10,480
Speaker 1: go viral for yourself right To, hey, LOOK i took

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02:09:10,520 --> 02:09:14,160
Speaker 1: On Donald. Trump some of us are not in the

2198
02:09:14,160 --> 02:09:17,760
Speaker 1: game of just making this about, ourselves, right and SO

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Speaker 1: i think that's also also plays a role on that.

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02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:25,320
Speaker 1: Front next question comes From adam w Any. Rights i'm

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Speaker 1: curious about your thoughts on. This affordability seems to be

2202
02:09:28,120 --> 02:09:30,800
Speaker 1: the central theme That democrats seem to be winning. On

2203
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:32,800
Speaker 1: one of the sneaky culprits of rising costs is the

2204
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:35,400
Speaker 1: complete lack of competition and various segments of the. Economy

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02:09:35,640 --> 02:09:37,160
Speaker 1: perhaps it is the lawyer in, me BUT i don't

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02:09:37,200 --> 02:09:39,280
Speaker 1: understand Why democrats haven't begun at least bringing up the

2207
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:45,000
Speaker 1: issue of breaking up big. Monopolies Thanks ADAM. W, well you're,

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Speaker 1: RIGHT i think. That in, FACT i think there's going

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Speaker 1: to be a fear of doing. That but you, know

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Speaker 1: they're you, KNOW i think the the stuff that's popular

2211
02:09:57,520 --> 02:10:03,640
Speaker 1: is when you point out how these monopolies are costing you.

2212
02:10:03,720 --> 02:10:07,480
Speaker 1: Money and SO i just had an interview with an

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02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:12,160
Speaker 1: economist on my newsphere show a couple episodes, ago where

2214
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Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time on the issue of

2215
02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:18,240
Speaker 1: surveillance pricing and the fact that you have, this we

2216
02:10:18,320 --> 02:10:23,280
Speaker 1: have this phenomenon these days of dynamic pricing where basically

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Speaker 1: the new goal is to figure, Out, hey how DO

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Speaker 1: i Maximize you, know, You Chuck, todd have a little

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02:10:32,600 --> 02:10:38,440
Speaker 1: bit more money to spend versus You Jane, doe who

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Speaker 1: has less money to. SPEND i want to have you

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Speaker 1: both as. Customers BUT i know you can pay more

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Speaker 1: Than Jane. Doe how CAN i get you to pay

2223
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Speaker 1: more In Jane doe to pay me? Something AND i

2224
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Speaker 1: think that you, know whether we've seen that airlines are

2225
02:10:56,600 --> 02:11:00,720
Speaker 1: thinking about going down this. Road it was a really good,

2226
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Speaker 1: story AND i think it was The Washington post about

2227
02:11:03,480 --> 02:11:08,440
Speaker 1: uber and lyft and how you, know on one, phone you,

2228
02:11:08,440 --> 02:11:10,880
Speaker 1: know based on information they may have about, you the

2229
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Speaker 1: price is one. Thing on another, phone based on information

2230
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Speaker 1: they have on the person who owns that, phone the

2231
02:11:16,480 --> 02:11:19,360
Speaker 1: price for the same ride from the same location to

2232
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:22,760
Speaker 1: the same location is suddenly, different and how much of

2233
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Speaker 1: it is based on what they think you're sort of,

2234
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Speaker 1: Oh i'm, Not i'm not that's too expensive for me versus.

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Speaker 1: That AND i think that's the type of of discrimination

2236
02:11:38,720 --> 02:11:44,160
Speaker 1: that will really sort of you, know middle class discrimination

2237
02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:49,560
Speaker 1: is when the middle class grabs the pitchforks watch out, right,

2238
02:11:49,800 --> 02:11:54,160
Speaker 1: like you, know when when the supposedly, comfortable you, know

2239
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Speaker 1: enough to own a, home you, know have a, couple

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Speaker 1: have two, cars be able to afford kids, college all that,

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Speaker 1: stuff and they feel as if they're being taken advantage

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Speaker 1: of because they have a couple extra, dollars you, know

2243
02:12:09,120 --> 02:12:14,080
Speaker 1: the middle and the upper middle class. Revolting that's that's

2244
02:12:14,120 --> 02:12:17,600
Speaker 1: when politicians sometimes finally finally start to pay attention to

2245
02:12:17,640 --> 02:12:21,280
Speaker 1: some of these. THINGS i think it's possible you will

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02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:29,800
Speaker 1: see going after you, know tech monopolies on, this but

2247
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:32,560
Speaker 1: we're not quite there yet BECAUSE i don't think the

2248
02:12:32,600 --> 02:12:36,720
Speaker 1: public sees the evidence, yet, RIGHT i don't think we're

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Speaker 1: you kind of have. To the public needs to be

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Speaker 1: a bit better informed on, this AND i think you're

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02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:44,960
Speaker 1: seeing more and more coverage that's focused on sort of

2252
02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:50,360
Speaker 1: how consolidation in various industries has cost the consumer. Money,

2253
02:12:50,520 --> 02:12:52,600
Speaker 1: now this is WHAT i think has been the you,

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Speaker 1: KNOW i think local media used to do consumer reporting

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Speaker 1: a lot better than national, media and the loss of

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Speaker 1: local journalism has really gutted the consumer journalism. World this

2257
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Speaker 1: is where, INFLUENCERS i, think come. In and this is

2258
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:11,280
Speaker 1: something THAT i, think if you, KNOW i think trusted

2259
02:13:11,400 --> 02:13:13,959
Speaker 1: media was higher when we had a lot more consumer

2260
02:13:14,160 --> 02:13:18,160
Speaker 1: reporters dedicated to saving consumers money and from being ripped.

2261
02:13:18,200 --> 02:13:21,440
Speaker 1: Off and the lion's share of those reporters were on

2262
02:13:21,480 --> 02:13:24,680
Speaker 1: the local. Level so the gutting of local gutted out

2263
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Speaker 1: the reporters that were providing a real service to Average.

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Speaker 1: Americans AND i think the you, know this is among my.

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Speaker 1: Goals why DO i want to revitalize local news BECAUSE

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Speaker 1: i think this is the biggest missing piece when it

2267
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:40,919
Speaker 1: comes to the lack of trust that we have nationally

2268
02:13:40,960 --> 02:13:44,360
Speaker 1: and met with media is we lost our local character

2269
02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:49,000
Speaker 1: references and they did a better job worrying about helping

2270
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:51,919
Speaker 1: people on a local level than we have the ability

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Speaker 1: to do on the national. Level. Uh and SO i

2272
02:13:54,920 --> 02:13:58,720
Speaker 1: think if once we you, know there's more reporting locally

2273
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:04,120
Speaker 1: on scams and pricing discrimination and things like, that which

2274
02:14:04,160 --> 02:14:06,880
Speaker 1: is where you're more likely to see. This then you'll

2275
02:14:06,920 --> 02:14:10,200
Speaker 1: hit critical mass and it becomes suddenly something that they

2276
02:14:10,240 --> 02:14:14,200
Speaker 1: want politicians to do something. About all, Right the last

2277
02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:16,320
Speaker 1: question for today is going to come From, dave and he,

2278
02:14:16,360 --> 02:14:19,680
Speaker 1: writes Is chuck really enjoy the? Podcast appreciate the mixture of, politics,

2279
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:22,920
Speaker 1: history and college football right. On also love the guests

2280
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:24,800
Speaker 1: you have for interviews and all the information that comes

2281
02:14:24,800 --> 02:14:27,440
Speaker 1: from those. Conversations can you tell us how interview prep

2282
02:14:27,480 --> 02:14:29,160
Speaker 1: has changed for you from the shorter time limits you

2283
02:14:29,200 --> 02:14:31,040
Speaker 1: had to meet the press to now being able to

2284
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:32,920
Speaker 1: do long form interviews on the. Podcast would love to

2285
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:34,880
Speaker 1: hear some of your thoughts on what you think makes

2286
02:14:34,920 --> 02:14:38,320
Speaker 1: a great guest conversation on your. Show thanks and happy. Holidays,

2287
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Speaker 1: well the biggest thing is just right just having more.

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Speaker 1: Time it means THAT i spend more time on a

2289
02:14:48,600 --> 02:14:53,040
Speaker 1: specific policy idea that the guests may have in wanting

2290
02:14:53,120 --> 02:14:55,600
Speaker 1: to go four or five or six questions deep on

2291
02:14:55,720 --> 02:14:58,160
Speaker 1: seid right in to meet the, press if somebody was

2292
02:14:58,240 --> 02:15:00,960
Speaker 1: rolling out a policy proposal your eight to ten minute,

2293
02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:04,760
Speaker 1: interview you do one follow, up maybe you, know maybe

2294
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:08,520
Speaker 1: a second if it's you think it's really interesting to the,

2295
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:12,000
Speaker 1: viewers then you end up moving. On we don't have

2296
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Speaker 1: to do that, here and that's you, know that to

2297
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Speaker 1: me allows for some of the nuanced debate and we

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Speaker 1: end up what you get and WHAT i Think i'll tell.

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Speaker 1: You you ask me what makes a GOOD i think

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Speaker 1: what makes a good conversation is when we end is

2301
02:15:28,320 --> 02:15:33,960
Speaker 1: when you end up understanding all sides of an argument

2302
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Speaker 1: without having me and the guests debate each, other because

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Speaker 1: HOPEFULLY i have asked a few of the let me

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Speaker 1: ask the perspective from the, left let me ask the perspective

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Speaker 1: from the, right and you, know depending on what their

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Speaker 1: point of view, is and that by the end of the,

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Speaker 1: conversation if you feel like that you would understand how

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02:15:51,440 --> 02:15:56,360
Speaker 1: this issue would then get debated between sort of stereotypical

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Speaker 1: left versus stereotypical. Right Then i've accomplished. Something right Then

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Speaker 1: i've given you a, complete uh conversation that makes you

2311
02:16:05,280 --> 02:16:07,320
Speaker 1: prepared to understand this issue no matter where else you

2312
02:16:07,400 --> 02:16:13,360
Speaker 1: end up getting information about. IT i think the best

2313
02:16:14,240 --> 02:16:17,760
Speaker 1: conversations are when THAT i WHEN i kind of know

2314
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Speaker 1: them a little. BIT i think that always helps because

2315
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:24,800
Speaker 1: they're more comfortable with me because they know me a little.

2316
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:28,920
Speaker 1: Bit SO i think those make good conversation better podcast. Conversations,

2317
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Speaker 1: OBVIOUSLY i do take a much less antagonistic posture because

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Speaker 1: this is you, KNOW i always say, this you know

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Speaker 1: it meet the. Press there was an expectation that this

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Speaker 1: is an accountability, show and this is where we're gonna you,

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Speaker 1: know you've gotta you're, test you're testing your your beliefs

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Speaker 1: that you, know you're you, gotta you, gotta you gotta tell,

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Speaker 1: them you, know you gotta explain your. Rationale and it

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Speaker 1: devoted to a you, know single issue or a topic

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Speaker 1: or a couple of topics versus here WHERE i may,

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Speaker 1: have you, know a large singular reason for booking that, guest,

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Speaker 1: say on the issue of how do we open up

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Speaker 1: primaries to all? Voters but it means we can meander

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Speaker 1: around a little. Bit but it's also you, know not

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Speaker 1: everybody can carry forty five, minutes so you have to

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Speaker 1: be mindful of, that just like you, know some people

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Speaker 1: are great ten minute, interviews terrible thirty minute interviews and vice.

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Speaker 1: Versa so in that, sense you've got to you've got to.

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Speaker 1: Know but it IS i will tell you, this there

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Speaker 1: was only one, interview And i'm not going to say

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Speaker 1: who it. Is you guys might be able to figure

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Speaker 1: it out by just. Listening there's only one interview WHERE

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Speaker 1: i felt LIKE i ran out of questions BEFORE i

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Speaker 1: ran out of, Time and ultimately that means we're doing

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Speaker 1: a good job of, booking BECAUSE i hope to have

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Speaker 1: the type of guess where we you, know an hour is,

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Speaker 1: great but believe it or, not there were some questions

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Speaker 1: left on the. Table if there are no questions left

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Speaker 1: on the, table then probably the guest wasn't quite worth

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Speaker 1: the forty five MINUTES i may have spent with. Them

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Speaker 1: BUT i actually think SINCE i started this podcast re

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02:18:28,920 --> 02:18:32,200
Speaker 1: upped this podcast On, APRIL i could think of only

2348
02:18:32,280 --> 02:18:34,920
Speaker 1: once THAT i sat here AND i, thought, Well i'm

2349
02:18:34,959 --> 02:18:37,240
Speaker 1: kind of exhausted from. QUESTIONS i got to, go BUT

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02:18:37,320 --> 02:18:40,280
Speaker 1: i kind of IF i finally go twenty minutes with this,

2351
02:18:40,440 --> 02:18:43,960
Speaker 1: interview AM i sending the signal that this was a total? Dud?

2352
02:18:44,560 --> 02:18:46,440
Speaker 1: Right it's LIKE i almost didn't want to DO i

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02:18:46,520 --> 02:18:48,920
Speaker 1: didn't think that was fair to the, person SO i

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02:18:48,920 --> 02:18:51,600
Speaker 1: wanted to make SURE i hit a minimum a minimum time.

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Speaker 1: Slot my guess, Is I'M i don't want you guys

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02:18:56,879 --> 02:19:00,039
Speaker 1: to play the guessing game of who it. Is but

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02:19:00,360 --> 02:19:04,800
Speaker 1: it's usually pretty obvious when you know somebody isn't working.

2358
02:19:04,840 --> 02:19:07,120
Speaker 1: Out it's usually because they don't want to answer, questions

2359
02:19:07,160 --> 02:19:08,760
Speaker 1: and you're, like, well why the hell did you come on? Here?

2360
02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:13,400
Speaker 1: Right what did you think this was going to? Be and,

2361
02:19:14,120 --> 02:19:18,360
Speaker 1: thankfully in some ways the format is self. Selecting right

2362
02:19:18,840 --> 02:19:22,280
Speaker 1: if you if you're not comfortable sort of having a

2363
02:19:22,320 --> 02:19:25,200
Speaker 1: conversation for forty minutes with, me then you're not going

2364
02:19:25,280 --> 02:19:30,280
Speaker 1: to come on. Anyway so in that sense it can

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02:19:30,360 --> 02:19:36,480
Speaker 1: be self. Selecting, LOOK i Wish i've had there are

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Speaker 1: there are a few More republicans That i've been trying

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02:19:38,760 --> 02:19:41,760
Speaker 1: to get to come on that won't or haven't said yes.

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02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:45,880
Speaker 1: Yet hopefully they're listening right. Now AND i THINK i know. Why,

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02:19:46,560 --> 02:19:49,240
Speaker 1: like it's not that they worried about. Me they just

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Speaker 1: somehow think that their own voters will that that that

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02:19:54,600 --> 02:19:57,440
Speaker 1: they only want to spend forty five minutes talking to

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02:19:57,520 --> 02:20:01,240
Speaker 1: their to their. Base they are not interested in talking

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02:20:01,360 --> 02:20:06,720
Speaker 1: to swing, voters talking to, independence talking to the intellectually,

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Speaker 1: Curious and that's disappointing to. ME i think in, IT

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Speaker 1: i think once The Orange man leaves The oval, office

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Speaker 1: these People i've been trying to get to come, on

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02:20:16,560 --> 02:20:22,240
Speaker 1: will come. On but you, KNOW i know that for

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Speaker 1: some for some of these, folks they don't want to

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02:20:25,240 --> 02:20:28,760
Speaker 1: they don't want to have to not answer a question

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Speaker 1: that they know is logical for me to, ask which

2381
02:20:31,840 --> 02:20:34,280
Speaker 1: is just a, disappointment, Right but this is the world

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Speaker 1: we live. In look What look What Susie wilds just

2383
02:20:36,440 --> 02:20:39,240
Speaker 1: had to. Do you, know she had to put out

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02:20:39,240 --> 02:20:43,520
Speaker 1: an apology tweet for an audience of. One and there

2385
02:20:43,560 --> 02:20:46,720
Speaker 1: are people that are always looking to aggregate and cherry

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02:20:46,720 --> 02:20:51,720
Speaker 1: pick what somebody. Says, hey you Know Tom cotton said

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Speaker 1: this To Chuck todd on his to on his, podcast you,

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Speaker 1: know and you know that's just unfortunately the way, things you,

2389
02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:03,240
Speaker 1: know things get weaponized on the stupid left and the stupid,

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Speaker 1: right which is, right we know right that it's those

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02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:10,480
Speaker 1: it's those that are in the business of grifting you on.

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02:21:10,600 --> 02:21:14,120
Speaker 1: Ideology and these people exist on the left and the,

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Speaker 1: right my, friends that have scared off some of these

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02:21:19,560 --> 02:21:25,920
Speaker 1: folks from coming and swimming in the intellectually curious. Pool but,

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02:21:26,040 --> 02:21:30,400
Speaker 1: hey come on in the water's, comfortable and if you're

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02:21:30,480 --> 02:21:34,600
Speaker 1: comfortable in your own, skin everything's going to be easy

2397
02:21:34,600 --> 02:21:36,879
Speaker 1: on the check. Podcast but if you're not comfortable in

2398
02:21:36,920 --> 02:21:40,000
Speaker 1: your own, skin then, yeah it's going to be an

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02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:44,520
Speaker 1: uncomfortable forty five. Minutes, hey, listen another round of great.

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Speaker 1: Questions there's, more a lot more to. COME i am also.

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Speaker 1: WAITING i am. Curious i've not gotten a lot of

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02:21:53,280 --> 02:21:58,080
Speaker 1: feedback yet from, you specific feedback on where you guys

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02:21:58,120 --> 02:22:01,800
Speaker 1: aren't prediction. MARKETS i just would love an array of,

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02:22:02,400 --> 02:22:06,600
Speaker 1: experiences the, good the, bad the, ugly you know, again,

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02:22:06,680 --> 02:22:10,480
Speaker 1: nonsports the prediction, markets through the prism of non, sports everything.

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02:22:10,480 --> 02:22:17,040
Speaker 1: Else i'm very curious good, experience bad, experience you, Know

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02:22:17,640 --> 02:22:21,400
Speaker 1: are you, curious are you? Nervous any of those? THINGS

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02:22:21,480 --> 02:22:26,720
Speaker 1: i am, Like Like i've expressed to, You i'm cautiously

2409
02:22:26,800 --> 02:22:32,760
Speaker 1: pessimistic about the prediction markets and yet and keeping an

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02:22:32,800 --> 02:22:37,160
Speaker 1: eye on them because SOMEHOW i have a feeling it's

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02:22:37,200 --> 02:22:40,120
Speaker 1: going to be more impactful than we want to admit.

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02:22:40,440 --> 02:22:43,080
Speaker 1: Anyway with, That i'm going to shut it down for

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Speaker 1: another twenty four, hours BUT i will be back in

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Speaker 1: twenty four, Hours so thank you for, listening and until

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Speaker 1: we upload, again