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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Pennsylvania parents have just been booked.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I don't even think they deserve to

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Speaker 1: be called mom and dad or mother and father. Those

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Speaker 1: father if you're at all like me. My mother and

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Speaker 1: father sacrificed everything for me, my brother and sister. My

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Speaker 1: until six or seven o'clock at night. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: was all for us. These Pennsylvania parents have just been

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Speaker 1: booked for locking their six year old little girl. This

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Speaker 1: tastes like dirt in my mouth. Six year old in

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Speaker 1: a dog cage and keeping her there, sometimes naked, making

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Speaker 1: and urine, beating her zip tying her a six year

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Speaker 1: old little girl. I was thinking of John David and Lucy,

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Speaker 1: my little babies. Of course, John David is six '

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Speaker 1: five now, and I watched Lucy in a chorus performance

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Speaker 1: last night Front Metal Amazing, But I remember when they

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Speaker 1: were six years old. So precious, so sweet. This little

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Speaker 1: girl has been locked in a dog cage, and even

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Speaker 1: child to fit in and stay zip tied, beaten, starved,

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Speaker 1: and forced to eat her own thess and urine. Of course,

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Speaker 1: there's no death penalty for parents like these. I often

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Speaker 1: ask why, But frankly, that's a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: after prosecuting felonies for many, many years. Why does it matter?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious

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Speaker 1: XM one eleven. You know when I would argue a

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Speaker 1: case like this to a jury, or present it to

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Speaker 1: them in opening statement, very often they would shut their

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Speaker 1: get them right back, looking right at the facts and

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Speaker 1: not turning away. Why. Because the moment we turn away,

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Speaker 1: we let it happen again. Sick Pennsylvania parents busted for

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Speaker 1: locking their six year old little girl in a dog

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Speaker 1: Sydney Sumner crime online dot Com.

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Speaker 3: When his six year old daughter becomes unresponsive. Jacob Waite

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Speaker 3: calls nine one one. He tells dispatch one of his

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Speaker 3: older children was giving his six year old bath when

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Speaker 3: she went limp and suffered some type of seizure. First

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Speaker 3: responders arrive at the house and are met at the

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Speaker 3: door by Jacob Waite. He refuses to let ems in

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Speaker 3: the house. Instead, he gets the girl and brings her

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Speaker 1: Uh uh no, Anne, Oh, why are you bringing a

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Speaker 1: response a child outside? Why aren't you in the home

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Speaker 1: performing CPR, trying to help the child? Well, you don't

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Speaker 1: want EMTs to go in the house. Why why don't

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Speaker 1: you want EMTs to come in your house? Joining me

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Speaker 1: in all star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: know right now, but first to investigate. A reporter for

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Speaker 1: dot com. It's Joseph Knapschut. Joseph, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. Now. I want to pretend we're on the

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Speaker 1: of blocks. But right now we're building from the bottom

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Speaker 1: of the building. Blocks start at the beginning. The EMTs

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Speaker 1: get there, What were they told on the nine to

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Speaker 4: Well, they were told that that the little girl is

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Speaker 4: with unresponsive. The crazy thing is that when they allowed

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Speaker 4: and the father said, you can't come in now, I

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Speaker 4: you know, he dressed the girl so that the bruises

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Speaker 1: Let's say, okay, stop wait Joseph Napsha joining me from

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Speaker 1: triplive dot com. See, I didn't know you were going

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Speaker 1: to say that. And isn't it true? Frand Longwell joining me,

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Speaker 1: Frand Longwell? You should never ask the question that you

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Speaker 1: don't know the answer to. Isn't that true?

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Speaker 5: Oh? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Every time I have broken that rule, it blew

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Speaker 1: telling me he said, well, no, no, no, no, don't come.

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Speaker 4: Well, maybe she had. She was up in the bathroom,

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Speaker 1: That point, but that's what he told the EMTs.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, right, that I have to dress my daughter first.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask a question. Doctor Angela Arnold, in

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Speaker 1: addition to Frand Longwell and Joseph Naps are joining me.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, as I call her as doctor Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrist. She's got so many lines after her name

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Speaker 1: it would take the whole show to tell you all

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Speaker 1: of her expertise. But you can find her at Angela

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Speaker 1: Arnold MD dot com. Doctor Angie, You know what I

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Speaker 1: remember when when I thought I was miscarrying and we

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Speaker 1: know who cared I needed to save the babies, right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So when is there a time for modesty? Your child

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Speaker 1: bs And that's a lie.

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Speaker 5: That's a huge red flag delaying access to the child? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Is that friend? Longwell, this is Paula Roady. Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: Paula ROADI guys, Paula Roady, who's so rudely interrupted doctor

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Speaker 1: Angie Arnold. But Angie's probably going to give some kind

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Speaker 1: of a mental defect defense to the mom and dad.

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Speaker 1: Paula Roadi's with me. Child Abuse Welfare consultant former CPS

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Speaker 1: Chold Protective Services in Orange County about three million people.

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Speaker 1: Never a lot of abusing children there. But that said,

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Speaker 1: doctor Angie, that's a lie. I'm not even close to

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Speaker 1: where this happened in Brown's little Pa, but I can

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Speaker 6: What do you mean a lie? Nancy?

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Speaker 1: What's a lie? The girl is upstairs, unresponds him. According

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Speaker 6: Oh sure, And I wonder don't you also wonder if

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Speaker 6: He's just buying himself some time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when your child could be dying and they're unresponsive.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Paula Roady joining me, have you ever heard

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Speaker 1: that before? Sorry, Joseph Napshaw. I know we got a

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Speaker 1: already smell a lie, Paula Roady.

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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, it's an absolute lie. And it's it's it's

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Speaker 5: a red flag. It's delaying access. It's probably been part

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Speaker 1: You know. Brian Pierrat joining me at a Newcastle, same

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Speaker 1: jurisdiction there in Pennsylvania. Former law enforcement Pennsylvania private detective,

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Speaker 1: owner of Puerod Detective Agency at Puerodetective Agency dot com. Brian,

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Speaker 1: you're so much of a better person than me, because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know he's out there waving basically, he's in

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm totally stealing that. In the front

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Speaker 1: yard waving red flags. Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing I mean, I'm in the custody

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Speaker 2: realm almost every day and a lot of times, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, there was warning signs with this, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's warning signs with almost all of them. And our

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Speaker 2: system is we're not Our system isn't doing the children

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Speaker 1: Whoa whoa, whoa hold on, Brian, Brian Pierrog everything you

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Speaker 1: just said is absolutely correct, But can I deal with

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Speaker 1: And it's not just Pennsylvania, it's every state. I mean,

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Speaker 1: paul A ROADI. I know this is such a big,

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. So the dad says his

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Speaker 3: When troopers entered the home of Jacob Waite and Mimi Frost,

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Speaker 3: they found it in deplorable condition. There were five other children,

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Speaker 1: Let's hear Sidney Summer clime online one more time.

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Speaker 1: Now I know why they didn't want the EMTs and

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Speaker 1: the troopers in the house. Thank you Lord for them

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Speaker 1: going in the house anyway. You know, doctor Angie, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna tell you a story I've never told you. Guess what,

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Speaker 1: was prosecuting a murder case that the murder of KERLOI.

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Speaker 1: I was still in law school. But it got reversed

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Speaker 1: Appeals on the door of the US Supreme Court sent

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Speaker 6: Sometimes the abuser has a history of abuse themselves. I

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Speaker 6: They were still living in this house of horrors.

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Speaker 1: You know what, you might be right, but can I

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Speaker 8: Police and first responders are taken aback by the conditions

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Speaker 1: Well, I believe that the child was forced to eat faces,

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Speaker 9: During the investigation, Waite and Frost, teenage nephew who lived

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Speaker 9: The floor under the cage was rotting from feces and

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Speaker 1: Paula Rody, child abuse welfare consultant and expert formerly with

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Speaker 1: Child Protective Services, Orange County. Paula Roady just when I say,

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Speaker 1: well I've seen it all, I find out I haven't

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Speaker 5: It's pretty clear case that it goes much or there

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Speaker 5: brother of mister Waite, Thomas Waite, I believed the father's name,

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Speaker 1: And another thaying to Paula Roady's joining us, you can

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Speaker 1: find her at Paula Roady Consulting. It's not like it

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Speaker 1: was a secret. Footage from inside this real life House

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Speaker 1: of Horrors shows the black dog crate in the living

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, but they were I don't want to call them smart,

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Speaker 5: much as I agree with you one ndred percent intentionally

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Speaker 5: afflicting all this abuse and torment, they were also trying

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Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, Well it doesn't end there way. Do you

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Speaker 1: Now this is by the EMTs. The parents certainly didn't

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Speaker 10: Once the six year old girl is at the hospital,

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace, doctor Angie Arnold's psychiatrist and

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Speaker 6: What it means is you're practically dead. Your body and

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Speaker 1: Why does low body temperature equal your organs shutting down.

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Speaker 6: Well, because they're trying to maintain their they're trying to

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Speaker 6: For your blood to flow normally.

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Speaker 6: All of our organs need to be in homeostasis.

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Speaker 6: If your body temperature is dangerously low, your brain and

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Speaker 1: So I have a child with her teeth broken out,

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Speaker 1: Did you hear what it was? Either fran Longwell, Paula

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Speaker 1: Why did why I have to have a little girl

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely terrible what happened to this little girl. And

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Speaker 1: We are learning more. Doctor Angie mentioned something called the

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Speaker 3: Faett County District Attorney Mike Abbel says this is the

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Speaker 1: Fran Longwell joining me, veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor. Fran Yes,

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Speaker 1: I am let me not baffled, not confused. I'm shocked

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Speaker 1: But it's happened before, where the other children joining the

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Speaker 1: And these children, they are children too. They're going to

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Speaker 5: You know, I'd like to just speak to that, because

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Speaker 5: And these type of emphasy deficits excuse me that developing

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Speaker 1: Paul Roady, your expertise as an employee child protective services,

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Speaker 5: and it's not safe for you know, if one of

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Speaker 5: the siblings was trying to, let's say, maybe get her

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Speaker 5: some food, maybe get her some clothing, that child is

436
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Speaker 5: going to be targeted as well and abused as well

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Speaker 5: for helping out. Who the parents have, you know, determined

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Speaker 5: is the you know, the problem in the family. So

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Speaker 5: it's not a safe option. And in order to even

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Speaker 5: you know, process and live in this house of ors,

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Speaker 5: they have to just continue to detach more and more.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture, doctor Angela Arnold, and it's

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Speaker 1: of the crime scene. It's the living room. The front door,

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Speaker 1: which is filthy, I might add, opens directly into the

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Speaker 1: living room, and it looks like they've got the sofa

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Speaker 1: like a pit grouping with instead of a coffee table.

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Speaker 1: They've got the dog cage and it's not that big

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Speaker 1: of a dog cage, I might add, is right in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the floor, like that's their entertainment, watching

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Speaker 1: the child starving in the cage and beating her and

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Speaker 1: in the picture. And this is with police taking the picture.

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine what it would be like without

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Speaker 1: the police looking. There's one, two, three, four, five, six.

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Speaker 1: I think I see seven dogs. One looks like a pitbull.

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Speaker 1: I think I see a Rottweiler. I mean, that's where

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Speaker 1: the girl is living. The dogs are running around her

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Speaker 1: in the dog cage, and she's in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the pit group like she's the entertainment.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know what else I think.

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Speaker 6: I don't think she's just the entertainment. I think that

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Speaker 6: she is the way that the parents are keeping all

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Speaker 6: of the other ones under control. They see how scared

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Speaker 6: this little girl is and how abuse she is, and

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Speaker 6: that's keeping everybody else quiet because we haven't heard anything

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Speaker 6: about any of these other kids trying to sneak out

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Speaker 6: and report any of this that's going on because they're

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Speaker 6: scared to death.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're not even embarrassed, Angie. They don't even

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Speaker 1: have her in a different room. You walk in the

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Speaker 1: up front door and there she is. Naked in a cage,

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Speaker 1: eating dog poop. Right, And another thing I learned by

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Speaker 1: looking at the reports is that her body was covered

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Speaker 1: in open sores and she was believed to be septic. Now,

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Speaker 1: sepsis is life threatening. You die, yes, when you get

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Speaker 1: sepsis very often because you explain what this means, open sores,

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Speaker 1: living in dog, you'reine in feces and your own urine

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Speaker 1: in FECs, and you're getting sepsis.

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Speaker 6: Well, Sepsis is a blood infection. So I can only imagine,

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Speaker 6: I mean Nancy, I imagine there were fleas and ticks

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Speaker 6: in the house also, and so she could have she

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Speaker 6: could have open open wounds from scratching herself from flea

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Speaker 6: and tick infestation.

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Speaker 1: What is sepsis?

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Speaker 6: Sepsus is when a bacteria gets into your blood and

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Speaker 6: it's a medical emergency and you better be put on

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Speaker 6: some ivy antibiotics for that.

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Speaker 1: And at a certain point IV's won't work anymore. Well,

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Speaker 1: at a certain point, you, Joseph Napsha, I need to

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Speaker 1: hear more facts. It's the nephew tails cops that Frost

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Speaker 1: and that would be the mother, Mimi Ann Frost would

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Speaker 1: zip tie the child's hands and feet and refused to

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Speaker 1: wash her. Another child said they wouldn't make the six

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Speaker 1: year old eat her own waist, feces and urine thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: The mother definitely zippad the girl's hands and legs so

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Speaker 4: that she could not get out of the cage because

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Speaker 4: she to the parents I guess I've discussed was escaping

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Speaker 4: her prison and walking around the house. In addition, manton

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Speaker 4: it Shay wasn't a complaint that the parents had screwed

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Speaker 4: tight the bathroom door because they didn't want the dogs to,

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Speaker 4: you know, mess up as.

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Speaker 2: You could expect the bathroom.

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Speaker 4: So I mean that even the kids did not have

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Speaker 4: access for the bath field.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing Joseph Knapshaw from Pittsburgh Tribute and Review. But

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Speaker 1: there's more. Take a list at Endicole Parton.

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Speaker 8: Troopers conducted interviews with several of the children in the

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Speaker 8: home and learned the little girl held in the dog

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Speaker 8: crate was also beaten multiple times. According to the criminal complaint,

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Speaker 8: the victim told therapists that she slept every night in

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Speaker 8: the dog cage and ate dog food. She told the

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Speaker 8: therapist that Waite beat her and shot her in the

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Speaker 8: legs with a BB gun. The parents are also accused

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Speaker 8: of beating her with a broom handle when she had accidents,

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Speaker 8: and more.

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Speaker 9: According to the criminal complaint, the nephew of Jacob William

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Speaker 9: Waite and Mimi Frost tells investigators that Frost put the

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Speaker 9: girl in the dog kennel naked and left her there overnight. Also,

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00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 9: when the family left the house, Frost would zip tie

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Speaker 9: the girl's hands and feet together and locked the kennel.

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Speaker 9: The team told state police that Frost would not feed

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Speaker 9: that little girl for days at a time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, paul A Roady joining me, former CPS in Orange County, California,

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Speaker 1: what do you think.

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Speaker 5: Oh gosh, I think that there were absolutely, you know,

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Speaker 5: red flags going on that were perhaps well missed.

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Speaker 7: I think I would find it hard to believe that

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Speaker 7: the children, if they were attending outside school, that they

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Speaker 7: were going to school clean, well nourished, not looking disheveled

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Speaker 7: on a day to day basis.

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Speaker 5: We know that this child was the targeted victim was

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Speaker 5: kept from protective adults, no dentist, no no pediatrician, no schooling.

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Speaker 5: Even the landlord, who now I'm shocked that he allowed

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Speaker 5: the condition of that home to be as it was

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00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 5: he you know, knew that this was a targeted child,

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Speaker 5: So you know, there was definitely red flags out there.

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Speaker 5: And even though we have this one child tortured, all

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00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 5: those children were subjected to abuse just in the deplorable

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Speaker 5: conditions they were forced to live in.

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Speaker 1: You know, to you Brian Piurogs joining me, former law

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Speaker 1: enforcement there in Pennsylvania now running peer Og Detective Agency. Brian,

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Speaker 1: there were eight dogs and two cats running wild in

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Speaker 1: there in what the LA Law Enforcement described as they

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Speaker 1: quote mad house. If you look at the dogs, they're

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Speaker 1: all well taken care of, they're fed, not one of

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Speaker 1: them look hungry. But they were starving and beating and

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00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: knocking the teeth out of this little girl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's disgusting. And you're right. I saw the pictures

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Speaker 2: and the dogs do look healthy. They actually looked happy.

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Speaker 2: I mean in the environment that they were in, they're

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Speaker 2: getting treated better than the kids were. And I think

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Speaker 2: that's the most disgusting part. I mean, this hurts the

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Speaker 2: whole community, It hurts the neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: I just can't believe. Let it happen. The children have

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Speaker 1: been taken away before and put back in the home.

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Speaker 2: Why, Well, I don't know. We need to find out

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Speaker 2: why they were taken. We need to find out why

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Speaker 2: they were put back. There has to be you know,

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Speaker 2: your guests already said that. I mean, it has to

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Speaker 2: be a drastic reason for Distilion to removed from the home.

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Speaker 2: So let's let's find out why. Let's find out why

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Speaker 2: we missed this. Let's prevent the next one.

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Speaker 1: And you know what ran long well. I volunteer to

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Speaker 1: go try this case. And one of the first things

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell the jury is, as he's being

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Speaker 1: led to the police cruiser, the father I hate even

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Speaker 1: calling that because he doesn't deserve it. He didn't go

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Speaker 1: quick to take me. Do whatever you need to just

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Speaker 1: get my daughter to the er, save her life, please.

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Speaker 1: Instead he's saying, I'm innocent, that's it. I never liked

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Speaker 1: my daughter in a cage. That's what he had to say.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that was totally disgusting. But you know, I think

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Speaker 11: it's a little peculiar that for some reason an older

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Speaker 11: sibly decided to give her a bath that day, and

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Speaker 11: then her body temperature.

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Speaker 1: Is so low.

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Speaker 11: Isn't it possible that she basically was already in a

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Speaker 11: coma almost because of her body temperature and they were

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Speaker 11: putting her in the bathtub to try to heat up

581
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Speaker 11: her body. I had a case where a little girl

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Speaker 11: died and they were heating her body up with a

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Speaker 11: hair dryer before they took her in because they didn't

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Speaker 11: want someone to know she had died already.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if that's why they were trying to clean her up, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because they thought she was already dead. Joseph Napsha joining

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Speaker 1: US Pittsburgh Tribute and Review. Where does the case stand

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Speaker 1: right now? What's happening?

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Speaker 4: They have a pimliary preliminary hearing in court next week

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Speaker 4: at the local Magistrates office, in which is you know,

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Speaker 4: Nancy Vale'll be able to the state will present some

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Speaker 4: evidence to find a facial case against the couple, and

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Speaker 4: you know, very likely would be held for trial in

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Speaker 4: the Fay County Court. So they are in jail, you know,

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Speaker 4: awaiting this hearing and the children, as I understand, we're

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Speaker 4: taking any improtective custody.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was researching the case last night, Joseph,

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Speaker 1: and I read where the couple had just been rained,

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Speaker 1: and I thought it said and we're being denied food.

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Speaker 1: I think that that was just wishful thinking. It was

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Speaker 1: they were denied bond. I'm just trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how soon is a jury going to put a noose

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Speaker 1: around the next of these two. Well, we'll see. We

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Speaker 1: wait as justice and faults. Goodbye friend,