1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer, 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: All Mission Control Decond. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: you to know perhaps the beginning of an era. Today's 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: episode maybe the beginning of a recurring series been kicking 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: around for a night for a while, which is exploring 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: the world's weirdest haunted places. And this specific episode idea 13 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: comes to us courtesy of of two people. Really, I 14 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: would argue one is our very own Paul Mission Control Decand, 15 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: and the other is our fellow conspiracy realist, Brittany. Brittany, 16 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: you called in to say Hi. My name is Brittany 17 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: and I'm calling from Texas. I was calling to see 18 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: if you guys has done a episode on the Emily 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: Morgan Hotel and San Antonio. Um. I know that it 20 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: used to be a hospital Alongcommando and now it's a hotel, 21 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: people claim that it's haunted, and I just wanted to 22 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: see if you guys knew anything about that or what 23 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: your thoughts are on it. Um you can use my 24 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: name and Posh on the episode of tomorrow. M Thank you. Yes, 25 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: what a great question. Thank you for the call, Brittany. 26 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: There's a there's a strange story here. That's what we're 27 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: teasing with Paul. So some of us in the show 28 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: have personal experience with the building you mentioned, the Emily 29 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: Morgan Hotel. In fact, Paul and I traveled to San 30 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: Antonio a number of years ago to make fake potato 31 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: chip commercials. That is a true story that happened. They 32 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 1: were pretty good commercials. And Paul, what was this for? Oh? 33 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: This was this was unrelated to a show. Just get 34 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: involved with stuff. So while we're there, Paul stayed at 35 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: the Emily Morgan itself, the same one, and I don't 36 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: think either of us had any idea what its reputation was. 37 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: And he had some bizarre moments. In fact, and I 38 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: did get Paul's permission to share this on air. In fact, 39 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: we were we're getting together. We're gonna go see the Alamo, 40 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: which is very close to the Emily Morgan. It's basically 41 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: across the street, right and you're you can get a 42 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: room in the Emily Morgan that will overlook the Alamo. 43 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: And Paul Paul told me he was like, you know, 44 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: then the weirdest thing happened. I I came back to 45 00:02:54,639 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: my hotel room earlier, and the jacuzzi was on. Somebody 46 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: had just turned it on. And it wasn't, you know, 47 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: like to my understanding, it was just sort of gently 48 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: releasing water from the nozzles. They weren't like blasting through 49 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: and breaking windows and stuff like that. But still that's 50 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: weird because you know, this wasn't one of those high 51 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: super high in jacuzzi is that has like a programmable timer. 52 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: It just somehow turned on. So maybe, you know, if 53 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: you're if you were like many people, you would say, 54 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: I guess maybe the cleaning staff had turned it on 55 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: to scrub something and then maybe they just forgot. But 56 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: as we're going to learn, and Brittany is your message 57 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: alludes to uh because of the unique nature of the 58 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: Emily Morgan, many people might assume something different when they 59 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: run into these mischievous works of plumbing. They might even 60 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: assume something supernatural is afoot. But why what is the 61 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: Emily Morgan How did it get its reputation? Let's start 62 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: there here the facts. It is a weird looking building. 63 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: So the building itself, the Emily Morgan Hotel, you can 64 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: find at seven oh five East. I'm assuming it's Houston Street. 65 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: It's only New York where they pronounced that house in 66 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: street at being Texas and all uh, and that's in 67 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: San Antonio. It was originally known as the Medical Arts 68 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 1: Building built between UM. It is considered in the Neo 69 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: Gothic style UM and it was designed by Ralph Cameron Um, 70 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: who also designed several other buildings in the area. UM. 71 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: The story behind the name itself is in and of 72 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: itself fascinating. It is named the Emily Morgan Hotel after 73 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: Emily D. West Um, a free woman of color who 74 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: was from Connecticut and worked as a servant for James 75 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: Morgan in Morgan Point, Texas. And as we know, oftentimes 76 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: even free people who worked for you know, white folks 77 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: would take on their last name, which is very strange 78 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: uh and of a weird relic even after you know 79 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: the end of slavery. Um. But as the story goes, 80 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: Emily and some other locals were captured after only being 81 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: in Texas for a little while, just a few months, 82 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: by none other than the infamous Mexican general uh Santa 83 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: Anna himself. Um, where as the story goes, she was 84 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: held captive in Santa Anna's camp during the Battle of 85 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: San Jencino. Yeah, so the way it goes down is 86 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: this Emily d. West is an indentured servant for James Morgan, 87 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: so she has a contract. But as you said, there 88 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: are a lot of relics of slave society, slavery society 89 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: that still remain at this time. According to the legend, 90 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: which is unverified, Santa Anna called Emily into his tent 91 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: the morning of this battle, and he didn't know the 92 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: battle was coming, but he called her into his tent. Uh. 93 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: We don't know exactly what his intentions or motivations were, 94 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: but Emily distracted him long enough in that tent that 95 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: chaos erupted and the Texan forces were able to win 96 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: the battle in under twenty minutes. Later, Santa Anna was 97 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: apparently found under a tree wearing nothing but his pgs 98 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: and some slippers. So he definitely got caught caught out 99 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: if you will, if you believe the story, yeah. And 100 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: so there are other stories about Emily Morgan. One is 101 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: that she may have been the inspiration for the Yellow 102 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: Rows of Texas. Paul, can we get a little clip 103 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: of that there it is? Yeah, you've heard that song before. 104 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: So that's the that's the name. It's it's a notable 105 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: figure in the regional history right of this area. Uh. 106 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: The building itself was meant to as as Brittany said, 107 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: you were correct, Brittany, the building itself was meant to 108 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: be a hospital. Uh. And and like a medical complex 109 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: is a better word, lots of doctors offices. Uh. And 110 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: not just the hospital, but all the accompanying departments that 111 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: a large hospital would have. For this is this somewhere 112 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: in there we have to establish this building has big 113 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: Ghostbuster vibes, Like remember all the oh well it was 114 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: Ghostbusters one right where there's that huge building that's purposely 115 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: constructed as this massive shrine for Gozer totally. Yeah, I 116 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: mean you can still see that on the skyline. I 117 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: forget the name of the actual building, but the top 118 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: of it has almost this like weird talisman looking thing 119 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: on the top, Like it definitely has that energy. Yeah. 120 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: And and dude, if you look at images of this building, 121 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: even early images in the nineteen twenties when it was constructed, 122 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: as you can find archival photographs of this building, but 123 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: and you just get the sense of, I don't know 124 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: they the style, that Gothic style that we mentioned, Neo 125 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: Gothic style. It it's so striking, and so you look. 126 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: You can look at those older photographs, but even now, 127 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: you can pull up Google Earth or you know, whatever 128 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: your favorite three D map rendering software is, and you 129 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: can take a look at that building. But don't just 130 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: look at the facade like from the street. Really go 131 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: up and around and you can see it's at the 132 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: corner of two streets, and you can really see this 133 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: striking V shape that this building has, with a little 134 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: section at the tip of that V that goes up 135 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: almost like a chimney. And there's a reason for that. Yeah, 136 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: it's uh. I I love this sort of architecture personally 137 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: because it is so very extra. This building probably wasn't 138 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: purposefully designed for people in to see it as something sinister, 139 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: but it feels like it was. It's thirteen stories, it's 140 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: got that cool V shape, which I have always wanted 141 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: to live in a building like that. And it has 142 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: one conceit one big Conceit has a ton of gargoyles. 143 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: Gargoyles on the exterior. None of them are happy because 144 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: they're all suffering from one medical ailment or another. Like 145 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: because that the logic of the designer was camera was 146 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: probably thinking, well, this is you know what happens to 147 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: people in hospital. So let's give this gargoyle a toothache. 148 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: Let's let this one, you know, maybe have a cast 149 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: or something. I'm making up that, yeah, exactly, it's true. 150 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: Like like here's one um kind of curled up in 151 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: a fetal position up in one eve that looks to 152 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: be suffering from some form of blindness. It's like a 153 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: like a gold lady kind of gargoyle who's squinting very heavily. 154 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's what's indicated here. But you're right, man, 155 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: that's a very odd flex to have these gargles that 156 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: present different maladies of the human condition. And Ben, as 157 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: you mentioned, this was a hospital. There are a medical 158 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: arts building that held all kinds of different purposes. Two 159 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: of those purposes were to have a place to store 160 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: those who expired, so a morgue, and a place to 161 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: dispose of bodies and medical waste and other things. So 162 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: they had a large furnace, a place where you could 163 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: cremate people and things. Wow, I love a hotel with 164 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: a good in house crematorium. Yeah, they literally burned bodies 165 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: in this building, and so this occurred during the hospital years. 166 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: So from about nineteen seventy six it operates as medical 167 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: as this medical arts building. It was actually the first 168 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: building of this sort, first doctors building in the city 169 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: of San Antonio. So, as you mentioned, Matt had a 170 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: crematorium and also had a more It had a psychiatric wing. 171 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventies six it is converted to office space, 172 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: and then in nineteen eight four it gets adapted for 173 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: use as a hotel. You could euphemistically call what they 174 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: did to the interior extensive remodeling, but they pretty much 175 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: gutted it. And the fact that they gutted it, uh 176 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: lad to in some ways led to the reputation that 177 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: the Emily has today. So the hotel is still open. 178 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: You can take a page from Paul's book, which is 179 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: a great book, and visit yourself. You can book a 180 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: room there. Uh And it's also a piece of living history. 181 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: It's listed in the National Register of Historic Places. And today, 182 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: as we record, thousands and thousands of people are convinced 183 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: this place is haunted. What are we talking about. We'll 184 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: tell you after a word from our spat ser. Here's 185 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. So true believers in the crowd. 186 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: People have been asking us to do more paranormal episodes. Uh, 187 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: you've probably heard of the Emily Morgan. It's somewhat famous. 188 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: You might even have heard it called the third most 189 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: haunted hotel in the world, a title an award that 190 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: I love. Something about it being number three feels reasonable. 191 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: It feels like someone sat down and they said, well, 192 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: let's not get carried away. It's definitely in the top five. Yeah, 193 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: and that's certainly not something you're gonna see on the 194 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: official Emily Morton Hotel website, which is um uh is 195 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: a property owned by Double Tree by Hilton's funny, so 196 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: it's like the Emily Morgan Hotel by Double Tree by Hilton. 197 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: It's so far removed, but um yeah, it's it's definitely 198 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: not something there bragging about. Well, they do have a 199 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: whole section of the website called the Haunted History of 200 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: the Emily Morgan, right, but it's not like you know, 201 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: on the front page is like number three haunted hotel 202 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: in the United States and great amenities to and Continental Breakfast. 203 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: It is the official hotel the Alamo. Though, like you said, 204 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: I right across the street. Yeah, so I hunted down, 205 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: haunted down the ranking because I was so fascinated by 206 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: who is this authority, who is the person who is 207 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: Like I say, which hotel is haunted into what degree? 208 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: Well it was USA today in maybe a slow newsweek, 209 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: who knows. Uh. The Emily Morgan is not unique in 210 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,599 Speaker 1: this regard. It is one of several allegedly haunted hotels 211 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: in the downtown area, and you can find you can 212 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: find various stories about them. It's strange because when it 213 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: comes to hauntings, the Who's Hell's get more pressed than 214 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: the Alamo, and a ton more people died at the ALBUMO. Well, 215 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: we don't know for sure about the Emily Morgan and 216 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: did well to have a morgue. But because of how 217 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: close the building, the Medical Arts Building was constructed, you know, 218 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: in proximity to the Alamo itself, it is pretty much 219 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: known that lots and lots of people expired on those 220 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: grounds or immediately around those grounds. Yeah, I love that 221 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: you point that out. So if you believe in ghosts, 222 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: it's easy to understand how San Antonio could be haunted. 223 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: This might surprise This might surprise some of us in 224 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: the audience day A lot of people living in the 225 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: US are unaware of this. San Antonio is incredibly old. 226 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: It was founded The city itself was founded back in 227 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: seventeen seventeen. That makes it one of the twenty oldest 228 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: cities in the US. And it was home to ancient 229 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: humans way before it was even called San Antonio. It 230 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: was first occupied by the Payaya people and they called 231 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: this part of the world Yanna Gowana, which means refreshing waters, 232 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: which is maybe a little bit of a letdown. It 233 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: would have been better for the story if they were 234 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: like the land of ghost. Well, it's a it's a 235 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: good place to rest right in the refreshing waters or 236 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: near the refreshing waters. Potable water, which is a valuable resource, 237 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: more important than gold if you are living in a 238 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: rough environment. But regardless of where it ranks, this is 239 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: not a dean on USA Today or their methodology. Regardless 240 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: of USA Today says the hotel does have some macabs, skeletons, 241 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: in its closet literal bodies in the attic um Matt 242 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: as you said, there was a crematorium there. It was 243 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: actually on the top floor, and a lot of the 244 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: people who were cremated didn't have family members somewhat a 245 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: survivor to take the ashes. So those ashes ended up 246 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: being stockpiled in the basement, assuming it would be useful 247 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: for something later. And also, these are human remains, so 248 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: the the medical staff, being human themselves, doesn't want to 249 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: just throw them in the street, that that would be 250 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: a kind of desecration. But when the workers came in 251 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: right in the seventies to rehab this building and to 252 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: gut it, essentially, they discovered the ashes. Can you imagine 253 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: what a headache that is if you are working construction, 254 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: you're the owner of the building, and you're like, what 255 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: horror movie have I stumbled into? It was? I was 256 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: already worried about the plumbing. Now I have to figure 257 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: out what to do with all these with the remains 258 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: of so many dead people we don't even know how many, 259 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: and surely that would like cause construction to pause at 260 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: the very least, right or they figure out what to do, 261 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: you know, in a humane way with these remains. It's funny. 262 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: It reminds me of it's it's different. But I was 263 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: in Seattle for a little mini vacation over the weekend 264 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: and I went to the space Needle and there's like 265 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: a whole chronology of like the construction of that structure. 266 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: And somewhere along the way and the process of building 267 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: the foundation, the workers discovered like a masted on tooth, 268 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: and I'm sure that brought construction to a halt, you know, 269 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: where they had to like get it out, you know, 270 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: take it to the museum or have it like verified 271 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: and all that. So, yeah, exactly, total headache. Um, and 272 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: then you know, how do you how do you proceed 273 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: from there? But it did proceed, it did, and uh yeah, yeah, 274 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: that's the thing. Nobody in the city knew what kind 275 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: of paperwork you would even start, right, And we have 276 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: to remember this is in the this is well before 277 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: the age of DNA testing. So eventually the owners decided, 278 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: uh that the most ethical thing to do was to 279 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: just not mess with it, So they just spread the 280 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: ashes in the basement in in the most respectful way possible. 281 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: They side, we can't move these out of the building 282 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: because we don't know where they should go, which I do. 283 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: I understand they found us. They found a bad situation, 284 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: a tough situation, and they did their best not to 285 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: make it worse. But for people who believe that disturbing 286 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: the remains, the physical remains of the dead may result 287 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: in ghostly phenomenon, this is like the smoking gun. They 288 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: did find. They essentially found a mass grave. That's that's 289 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: what happened. It's just that they were cremated. Yeah, and 290 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, just spread them out on the basement. Hope 291 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: they took the concrete up or whatever was laid down 292 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: on the on the floor of the basement before they 293 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: spread them out down there. In the immortal words of 294 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: the will it blend guy, don't inhale this right, So 295 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: we could walk through some of the typical claims you'll 296 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: see about the Emily Morgan. A lot of these are 297 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: pulled from ghost tour sites, which of course, you know, 298 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: want to play up reports of alleged paranormal activity, and 299 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: a lot are pulled from forums. And then you can 300 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: see countless YouTube videos or you know, unscripted reality TV 301 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: productions where people attempt to investigate the alleged sightings through 302 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: any number of approaches. I generally divide them into three approaches. 303 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: There's the archivist approach to ghost stuntying, There's the the 304 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: gearhead approach the ghost hunting, and then there's the psychic 305 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: or spiritual approach to ghost stunting. Do those seem like 306 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: three fair categories? Do you? Guys like? Yeah? And you 307 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: genuinely and usually see a combination of at least two 308 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: of those. Yeah, yeah, definitely, And you know, shout out, 309 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: shout out to the history nerd, who is often the 310 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: most reasonable of the investigative teams. You know, they're the 311 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: person who shows up for five or six minutes on 312 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: the show and they say, this is the history this 313 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: building and they're like, so it's definitely hont I haunted, right, 314 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: And they say, well, again this this is just the 315 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: history of this building. But we have made our opinions 316 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: on a lot of ghost shows known, I think, which 317 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: is why the three of us will probably not not 318 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: end up on one. But you know, uh, never say never, 319 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: as that as what cartoon character said that the five 320 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: all probably some anthropomorphic cat or never getting this wrong. 321 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: Disney is gonna, I don't know, they're gonna be furious. 322 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: We can't mess with the mouse. But I would just say, man, 323 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: our opinion is never an antagonistic towards those who pursue 324 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: the ghost hunting techniques. It is, but it is I 325 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: would say, at least personally, is a feeling of profound disappointment, 326 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: not in them, but just in that I haven't seen 327 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: anything yet that would make me go for sure, that's it. 328 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: And by the way, guys, it's a pigeon. It was 329 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: an anthropomorphy, which it was, all right, yeah, that makes sense. 330 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: We'll never say never. Uh. Here are the typical claims. 331 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: So we just want to establish that some people do 332 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: have a horse in the race. They want to play 333 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: these up. Some people, I feel like they're a more 334 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: skeptical person, but they've had a personal experience they can't explain. 335 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: And there are there's some rough categories of hauntings. Were 336 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: weird stuff happening At the Emily Morgan. You can almost 337 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: go floor by floor, so a lot of people will 338 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: tell you the seventh floor is the most haunted. That 339 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: means that if you're booking a stay, you should either 340 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: definitely try to give room on that floor or avoid it. 341 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: Like the plague. Apparently people make both sorts of these 342 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: requests when their chat came in at the front desk, 343 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: which so that no one will think you're weird or 344 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: they might think you have a ghost hunting show. It's 345 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: a little pro tip if if you run a hotel 346 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: that has rumors are being haunted, and you've got one 347 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: floor that doesn't have completely refurbished rooms yet, just say 348 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: this one's the most haunted. This haunted, you don't want 349 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: to go there, and then you can finish your your 350 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: repairs are refurbished. There we go, and then you know 351 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: it's weird because guests and staff over the years have 352 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: all reported have I mean both employees and how he's 353 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: gonna say, civilians, tenants, hotel customers have have all reported 354 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: things that could be seen as being similar. Like on 355 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: the seventh floor, there are a lot of reports of 356 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: a dark shape, the humanoid shapes walking on through the halls, 357 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: but then also walking through walls and doors and then 358 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: in family and is reported by multiple sources. One family 359 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: was staying on the seventh floor back in the day 360 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: and they awoke in the dark of the night because 361 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: all of the electrical equipment in the room, all of 362 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: it turned on at once, and then they saw this, 363 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, this humanoid for fans of Lost, they saw 364 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: like this smoke monster, you know, dissipate through the walls. 365 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: And they called the front desk and asked for a 366 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: different room, Which seems like sort of a band aid solution, 367 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: doesn't it. Yeah, because they could have gone anywhere once 368 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: it went through that wall. It's not gonna find us 369 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: on four. That's a different different Who's to say it 370 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: can't go through the ceilings and floors. Come on, guys, 371 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: smoke monsters to go wherever they want if they are 372 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: in fact real. Yeah, And then there's there are other 373 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: like recurring apparitions that people claim to see. Yes, there 374 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: is a particular apparition that has been reported numerous times. 375 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: A woman in white phones heard ringing, you know, randomly 376 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: throughout the night. Things like electronic devices and appliances and 377 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: lights flickering on and off, you know, um on their own, 378 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: seemingly uh and a thing we were here all the time. 379 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: In ghost situations or hauntings is the feeling of being 380 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: touched by invisible forces or invisible hands. Um. The woman 381 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: in white actually has a name, if I'm not mistaken, 382 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: Ben the ghost bride uh, and some have heard her 383 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: shriek through the walls in the night as well. Yeah, 384 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: this is okay. So without being entirely skeptical, I think 385 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 1: at this point we do have to we do have 386 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: to note that if you've ever been in a hotel, 387 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: especially during u during a busy season, you're around a 388 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: bunch of strangers, right, You're going to hear a lot 389 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: of noises that you can't really explain, Like you've probably 390 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: had some loud neighbors down the hall at a hotel, right, 391 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: And then I would say the effect still remains when 392 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: you're in a very empty hotel, because then every strange 393 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: noise is loaded with the way was loaded with foreboding. Right, 394 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of mystery. And then there are 395 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: upset shrieks, there are very happy shrieks. They're all kinds 396 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:35,479 Speaker 1: of shrieks that can occur. Children, adults consentually shrieking together. 397 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: Somebody's snuck in a pet of some sort, you know 398 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it is pet friendly, by the way, 399 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: it is pet friendly. That is true. That is true. 400 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: So what we're saying is that it is entirely possible 401 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: that there could be a completely human person dressed in white, 402 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: having a terrible night, running down the hallway a floor seven, 403 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: and people would think they saw a ghost because they 404 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: felt they were in a ghostly environment. Perception is key here. 405 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: And then we also see something similar. This is one 406 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: thing that confused me, and I want you guys take 407 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: on this. So if you go up to the eleventh floor, 408 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: there's reputedly something similar, another apparition, maybe the same apparition. 409 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: This time it's an elderly woman in a hospital gown 410 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: who is seen walking into her out of rooms, and 411 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: guests have said they have heard her weeping, and they've 412 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: heard of someone weeping, and they've also heard what sounds 413 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: like a hospital gurnie being wheeled along the hallway in 414 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: the middle of the night, and then they opened the 415 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: door to check nothing's there. My question is, conceivably, couldn't 416 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: that be like a room service cart, or couldn't it 417 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,959 Speaker 1: be like something from the cleaning staff, a bell boy, anything, 418 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: a bell person. Sorry, it could be a ghostly hospital gertie. 419 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: We can't rule it out yet. The hilarious thing is 420 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: they did that thing that so many buildings in Western 421 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: culture do. They skipped from the twelfth to the four floor. 422 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: I don't know why that. I don't know how you 423 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: guys feel about it, because you know, the same thing 424 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: happens with the fourth floor in some East Asian buildings, uh, 425 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: also due to superstition. But whenever I see that, I 426 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: always think, come on, everybody in this elevator knows what 427 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: floor we're really on. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a 428 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: silly thing. We've talked about that a lot. I forget 429 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: which buildings. There are a couple of buildings we've been in, 430 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: been in Noll where we specifically pointed out, oh look 431 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: we're on the twelfth floor. Eight, now we're on the fourteenth. Weird. 432 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: It's like a thing like in construction because it's like 433 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: an unlucky floor. There's even a movie called floor floor whatever. 434 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: It's about like this liminal, you know, non reality space 435 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: that exists in between these floors where like spooky stuff 436 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: goes down. But yeah, it's like a total mean, yeah, 437 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: it's it's more of a tradition probably than people actually 438 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: believing that it's some sort of demonic curse. But those things, 439 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, carry a lot of weight. Do you guys 440 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: want to start a hotel chain? That is? It's got floor. 441 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: It's only their people are Every floor is their t floor. 442 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: Thirteen point one, thirteen point two, thirteen point three's just floor. 443 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: I think I think it might be a little late 444 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: in the game for us to start a hotel chair. 445 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: That's a brilliant idea, though, Get the get the people 446 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: that are looking for a good curse, you know, just 447 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: get an Airbnb and called the thirteenth floor. Well, it's 448 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: quite small, but every room would feature two broken mirrors, 449 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: a ladder that is opened directly in front of the doorway, 450 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: so you have to walk to Yeah, a cat, a 451 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: black cat in every room that only walks across your path. Well, 452 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: we'll figure out the specifics. At the at the Axal 453 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: Hotel in New York, you can request a goldfish for 454 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: your room. This one, you would request a black cat 455 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: just to continuously cross your path. Yea, So well, well 456 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: we'll work on that. Don't let the Hiltons get ahold 457 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: of it first. So if you are a guest on 458 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: the twelve and four floor you are staying in you 459 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: were you were staying in the area that was used 460 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: for a hospital activity as well as the place that 461 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: housed the crematorium. And it may seem weird for the 462 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: crematorium to be on the top floor, but it's probably, honestly, 463 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: just easier to get the smoke out safely that way, 464 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: so it makes sense. That's why the chimney was there 465 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: running under the top all the because you know, most 466 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: of the ash stays down, but a lot some of 467 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: it goes up right, so you wouldn't want, you know, 468 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: if you can avoid it, you wouldn't want to have 469 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: that operation in the basement because then you would have 470 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: to have a chimney that is thirteen stories high. So 471 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, it makes sense, even though if it reads 472 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: a little sinister, there is a legitimate reason they did that. 473 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: So if you stay there now, you might have the 474 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: experience that some guests have had of stepping back in time. 475 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: There are been people who said that they opened a 476 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: door after hearing a noise in the hallway and they 477 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: didn't see the hallway of the hotel. Instead, they saw 478 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: a medical scene from back in the day when the 479 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: hospital was in full operation, and then they would shut 480 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: the door, reopen it am I crazy, and they just 481 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: see the hotel hallway again. This is this is unsubstantiated, 482 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: but this has a lot in common with other experiences 483 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: the people have relaid across the world, you know, like 484 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: the there was a group of school teachers to school 485 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: teachers who believed they went back in time to the 486 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: days of the French monarchy. This is sometimes called fadi 487 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: a do uh the like a delusion of two in 488 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: their case. But we don't know exactly how many people 489 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: have said they witnessed a scene from outside of linear time. 490 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: We just know that people have allegedly said that the 491 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: twelfth floor also tends to be This is why I 492 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: was interested. I was trying to remember Paula. We're trying 493 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 1: to remember which floor he stayed on, because if it 494 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: was the twelfth floor, it would make sense for him 495 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: to have a mischievous jacuzzi, which sounds like an improv prompt. Uh. 496 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: The twelfth floor has the most plumbing issues. You will 497 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: see people say the Fawcetts switched on at night, or 498 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: just like Paul, the bathwater switched on and it woke 499 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: them up and they said, well, what's going on. You'll 500 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,479 Speaker 1: also hear people, just to add on, you'll also hear 501 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: people claiming that they have seen another ghost on floor twelve, 502 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: a nurse of some sort. Man well, I would just 503 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: say I've heard the artist specific story in one of 504 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: these YouTube videos. A lot of people go in to 505 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: the Emily Morrigan and you know, shoot their own video 506 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: or do their own ghost hunting experience like experiences or investigations. 507 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: And one I specifically remember seeing was some plumbing in 508 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: the bathroom that was turned on, a fascel that was 509 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: turned on, but it shut off. Like they heard it, right, 510 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: You hear something some water running, you go over to 511 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: the bathroom and immediately it turns off as you enter 512 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: the bathroom. That would be pretty creepy. Yeah. The other 513 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: you're right, and they are documenting it, right, So something 514 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: is up with the plumbing or appears to be up. 515 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: You don't have to believe in ghosts to agree with that. 516 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: There's another thing, and this might be my favorite part 517 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: of this story. The elevators. The elevators are tricky. The 518 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: elevators get up to stuff, you're you're kind of going 519 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: where the elevator wants to go. According to some people, 520 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: they've been stuck in the elevator for hours at a time. Yeah. 521 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: The front desk has reported receiving calls that were traced 522 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: to the phones and in empty elevator. I elevator has 523 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: been known to just sort of keep going, just ping 524 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: ponging between the sixth and seventh floors with no one 525 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: in it, just being binging, and then sometimes the elevator 526 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: will just take you straight to the basement. Yeah, that 527 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: is a fear of mine getting trapped in an elevator. 528 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: I had an inkling that it was about to happen 529 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: the other week, and I almost went into instant panic 530 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: attack mode. Um. So yeah, that would not be fun. Um. 531 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: I love your characterization of the elevator Ben as almost 532 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: like a sentient being with making its own decisions and 533 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: being mischievous. Obviously unlets you out eventually. I'm not trying 534 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: to kill you, just trying to mess with you a 535 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: little bit. It's it's like, I'm an elevator, not a 536 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: prison cell. An elevator is a prison cell with a 537 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: sense of humor. That's how this elevator sees itself. Maybe 538 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: it's more like a elevator. He is pat Frederick, Ladies 539 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Uh, it's the no elevator. I like it. 540 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: I like it. Um. Also, that has to be a 541 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: B horror film already, right, elevator. Yeah, I'm surprised that 542 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 1: Stephen King hasn't done a haunted elevator story. He's done cars, 543 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: laundry machines, what else trucks? Give me an elevator, Yeah, 544 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: and I think it would work. It also reminds me 545 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: of that very creepy urban legend we ran into in 546 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,919 Speaker 1: the Eliza Lamb case the Korean elevator game that that 547 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: was spooky. That's like a that's a bloody marry game 548 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: times ten, you know, with the level of detail. But luckily, 549 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: if you are elevator napped by forces unknown, be the 550 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 1: wiring issues or be they ghostly, and you were taken 551 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: to the basement, you don't have to get off there. 552 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: You don't have to be that person the horror movies 553 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: who goes, oh is this where they put the bodies? 554 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: I about her? Check this out, you know, looking for 555 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: idiot Kat who ran away? Kevin? Kevin, can you hear me? 556 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: And you're dead? That's a that's a slice to the 557 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: back of the neck. Uh maybe once maybe maybe One 558 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: floor down is in fact the gateway to hell where 559 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: THEVA really craves to take you by the way Elevator 560 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: Game Show Network that is, there are two seasons of 561 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: it because I was thinking this, like, I can't already 562 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: see the opening so cinematic, So we we start full black, 563 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: ominous music, and then the script fades up and it says, 564 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: you know a quote about the devil being cast down 565 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: from heaven, and this story is about what happened, like 566 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: the devil was cast down heaven uh the sins of 567 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: pride and for rebelling against God, and then he began 568 00:35:53,520 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: building an elevator. Elevator. Yes, well, we can totally write this, 569 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: but the reason you shouldn't be worried if you end 570 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: up getting elevator napped to go into the basement is 571 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: that it's an employee's only area, so you won't be 572 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: able to get out. You'll just try to convince the 573 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: elevator talk nicely to it, try to convince the elevator 574 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: to go back to the lobby or something like that. 575 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: But employees walk around in the basement have reported hearing 576 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: strange voices in the darkness down there, and even the 577 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: occasional width of phantom burning flesh. Dude, that is really 578 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: creepy to me. The employees only area, at least from 579 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: what I read on their website, has like meeting rooms 580 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: for staff and laundry, and like all those the large 581 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: machinery for laundry. When we were making that show Thirteen 582 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: Days of Halloween, we recorded a bunch of audio in 583 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: these this basement area there was employees only that had 584 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of laundry machines, and it was one of 585 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: the creepiest places I had ever been to, and I'd 586 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: walked through there many times in my life. But it's 587 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: because I think been because of the infrasound generated by 588 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: those massive laundry machines, with all that machining machinery like 589 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: rolling over basically, basically, it really creeped me out quite possibly. 590 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: You know, let's do this. Let's take a break for 591 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: a word from our responsors. When we come back, we'll 592 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about some specific claims, and 593 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: then we will hazard some possible explanations. And we've returned 594 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: so earlier I said, you know, the issue with these stories, 595 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: the issue that happens with a lot of a lot 596 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: of similar buildings or allegations. A lot a lot of 597 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: these reports are like someone said or some people have said, 598 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: So it's important when you're looking at of stuff to 599 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: try to find specific people. Ideally, and again this is 600 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: not a ding on people who consider themselves professional ghost hunters, 601 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: but ideally, what you're looking for is someone who experienced 602 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: something strange and was not expecting a ghost, you know, 603 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: so they didn't have their they didn't have any kind 604 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: of confirmation bias going on. We found an interview with 605 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: a former senior sales manager, Debbie McNabb, and in in 606 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: this interview, she confirmed the guests and employees alike of 607 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 1: reported strange activity at the Emily Morgan on a regular basis. 608 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: She said she had her own brush with strangeness when 609 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: she was sharing a room with a fellow sales manager. 610 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: One evening they went out to dinner, they found they 611 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: came back and they found their bathtub just like Paul's 612 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: had been acting up. This one was mysteriously full of water. 613 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: And McNabb said, my roommate asked, why did you run 614 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 1: bath water or for me, and she said I didn't, 615 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: but she went into the bathroom to look as well. 616 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: And she also said the water in the tub was 617 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: an extraordinary shade of ocean blue. So maybe maybe somebody 618 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: like again, maybe someone the cleaning staff was cleaning the 619 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: tub and just forgot. Maybe there is an absent minded 620 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 1: member of the hotel staff who was, with the best 621 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: of intentions, being confused with a ghost. Or maybe the 622 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: Blue Man group was in town and somebody needed a 623 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 1: quick bath. Anyway, maybe it's maybe it's the first part 624 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: of that blue Face guys TikTok movement for his just 625 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: thinking about that really quickly. To just just for all 626 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 1: you horror bucks out there, there is a Japanese horror 627 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: film called hell Levader directed by Hiroki Yamaguchi that looks 628 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: kind of creepy. Might be it might be an interesting 629 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: um companion piece of this episode. Nice. So the thing 630 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: I don't like about that who absent minded staff explanation 631 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: is that it's kind of boring and it also doesn't 632 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: explain everything. So with that in mind, let's close out 633 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: today's show by looking at some explanations. First, Could infrasound 634 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: be involved? That was one of the first things I 635 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: thought of as well, met um, That's why I was 636 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: first in my mind. Possibly, But here's the problem. That 637 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: alone would not explain physical things like the plumbing issues, right, 638 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: nor would it explain the specificity of the visuals. So 639 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: for everybody who knows about Victandy and infrasound, what he 640 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: found was something that can explain part of the experience 641 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: of feeling like you're at a haunted situation, the feeling 642 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: of being watched, spiking anxiety, a little bit of visual hallucination, 643 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: but not something as specific as I am seeing a 644 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: woman in white running through the hallways, why is she screaming? Yeah? 645 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: But but and it just specifically that infrasounded for anyone 646 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 1: that wants to look it up, it's it's very low 647 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: frequency standing waves that do weird, like Ben said, do 648 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: weird stuff too, your ears and physically your eyes and 649 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: all your whole body. Really, standing ways are interesting. They 650 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: they're actually like studios. For example, recording studios are treated 651 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: to remove standing waves because they can cause interference with 652 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: your listening experience. So if you're like say mixing, you know, 653 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: on studio monitors, and there's a bunch of standing waves, 654 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: those are usually lower base frequencies, they can kind of 655 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 1: like muddy up what you're hearing. Same in vocal booths 656 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: or like recording spaces when you're trying to get a 657 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: clean sound, there's a bunch of standing waves collecting in 658 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: the corners. Uh that can cause weird reflections that make 659 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: the sound not optimal. Um, so that's interesting like that 660 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: they actually because that's what all standing wave is is 661 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,280 Speaker 1: a collection of sound waves that kind of linger, almost 662 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: like a puddle or something, you know, like ashes in 663 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: a basement, something like that. So here's the second. So 664 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: that explanation to me, it doesn't it doesn't have as 665 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: much sand. It could explain part of what's going on, 666 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: but it can't explain all of it, especially especially without 667 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: further research, right, which is a teaser. Second, old buildings 668 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,240 Speaker 1: like this, if you've ever lived in an old building, 669 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: they're full of personality and quirks, all kinds of weird stuff. 670 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: The area that I am in was built in the 671 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties. I quite enjoy older buildings. But this leads 672 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: us to the question of plumbing. That's particularly interesting because 673 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: it is often reported could there be something weird in 674 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: their water system that's resulting in random outflows, like water 675 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 1: pressure is wonky and so now it has to be 676 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: released somewhere and it goes to you know, whatever tub 677 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: is the weakest link in the system. I mean, maybe, 678 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,919 Speaker 1: but there's an issue with that when you talk about 679 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: reports of faucets being turned on or baths being drawn. 680 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: That means someone or something in the room probably had 681 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,359 Speaker 1: to be there to physically turn on the faucet because 682 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,760 Speaker 1: it's a switch, right, or to plug the drain. Even 683 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: more importantly, plugging the drain is weird, right unless there's 684 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,320 Speaker 1: some kind of strange clog in there that just happened 685 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: to be there, and that yeah, ghost clog. But but 686 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: that then coincides with some other problem with the water 687 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: pressure right to where water just gets released without without 688 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 1: actually turning a knob or anything, which is possible, but 689 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: it's possible but unlikely, right, that's the thing. And how 690 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: many times could that unlikely event occur such that multiple 691 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: people included our own Paul Michigan Droll decond have observed it. 692 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: I mean third, this is a big thing, and this 693 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: is something that sometimes can make you the party pooper 694 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,840 Speaker 1: and the conversations. It is very easy to prime people. 695 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: It's easier than it should be. It is scarily easy. 696 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 1: So when you what do we mean by priming? It's 697 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: all about people's expectations, right, And when people go into 698 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: an environment expecting the possibility of seeing strange things, they're 699 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,360 Speaker 1: much more likely to be alert to anything they feel 700 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: might be abnormal, and their go to explanations for stuff 701 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: might change according to that pre existing expectation, like easiest example, 702 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 1: because I don't I'm vary into elevators right now for 703 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: some reason. Again elevator phase um the latest example. Like 704 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: easy example. Let's see hopping an elevator and you're in 705 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: a new building just you're in an office building somewhere 706 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: right and uh, maybe you're on your phone because everybody 707 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 1: is on their phone right, and you hit a button. 708 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: I think you're heading to the right floor. You're going 709 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: to floor eight, and then you're you know, you're looking 710 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,919 Speaker 1: at your phone. What's going on? Instagram? What TikTok colt? 711 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 1: Will I join today? You hear the dean and the 712 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: door slides open. You look up and you realize, oh, whoops, 713 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: you meant to go to floor eight, but you ended 714 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 1: up on floor seven. At this point, if you're in 715 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: a building, you don't think it's haunted. Most people would 716 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: probably assume, oh, I was distracted, so I must have 717 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: hit the wrong button. I'll just hit eight and wait, 718 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: wait to go up one more floor. That's a good assumption, right, 719 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: But what if ghosts were already on your mind. What 720 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: if you were looking for something? How easy is it 721 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,880 Speaker 1: to convince yourself that you did push eight and that 722 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 1: a haunted elevator wanted to take you to the most 723 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: haunted floor of this building that you know is haunted. 724 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: You wouldn't even think about the guests on seven that 725 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: may have hit the elevator button then went back to 726 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: the room because they forgot something great point. Uh. And 727 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: the problem with that is, you know, we don't mean 728 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: to be dismissive of human psychology, because people are not stupid, 729 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,760 Speaker 1: and many of us listening to this proposed explanation realized 730 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: the same thing that we did. It still doesn't solve anything. 731 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: One of the key issues is this, most people do 732 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: not experience regular visual hallucinations, and there seems to be, 733 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: for some reason a higher likelihood of self reported anomalous 734 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: visions in this hotel specifically, and for the cynical part, 735 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,439 Speaker 1: hauntings can be really good for business. Yeah it's weird, right, 736 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,400 Speaker 1: Like I mean, this is like a fancy hotel. This 737 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: is a double tree property in a pretty touristy area, 738 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: and yet they don't seem to downplay it as much 739 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: as you would think like you know, I was surprised, 740 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 1: Matt that they do have a section on the website. 741 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: I guess you could consider it's just history, but there's 742 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: some kind of troubling you know, parts of this history 743 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 1: and parts of the story. I would think they would 744 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: want to downplay it. But it's interesting that they don't, 745 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 1: um because I think you're right it is that it 746 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: can be money in the bank. Yeah, man, there's intrigue. 747 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: If there's intrigue, baby, we're going said the tourists of 748 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 1: all of all kinds. Well, it's true, like there, you know, 749 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,279 Speaker 1: if you are interested in this, in this sort of 750 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: stuff or these experiences, the reports of these phenomenon, then 751 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 1: of course that's going to be like your number one 752 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: hotel you want to stay at if you happen to 753 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 1: blow through San Antonio. And ghost tour companies operate regularly 754 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: in town. There's no denying people visit specifically for that 755 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: chance of seeing something they cannot explain. And this is 756 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:41,360 Speaker 1: something funny I found, like multiple instances in regional news 757 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:46,320 Speaker 1: where reporters had asked the owners of Emily Morgan or 758 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: the staff to give them a sense of how busy 759 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,239 Speaker 1: they got a Halloween specifically, and they won't say, but 760 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: you can if you are of a mind to do so, folks, 761 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: you can go to their website today and you can 762 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: book a room for Halloween. It doesn't have to be Halloween. 763 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,399 Speaker 1: That's just you know, the spookiest day of the year 764 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,400 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. But from what we understand, 765 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: this is UH, this year round phenomena. It does not 766 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: appear to be tied to a specific date, like the 767 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,400 Speaker 1: anniversary of a death or the discovery of those ashes 768 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,120 Speaker 1: or something like that. And that's kind of where we 769 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: have to leave it. There's no definitive proof that something's 770 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 1: amiss with the Emily Morgan. It's a pretty swell place 771 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 1: if you get a chance to go. I would love 772 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,520 Speaker 1: to stay there. It's got a jacuzzi in every room. 773 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: It's a weird flex, but it's neat potentially haunted jacuzzi, Yes, 774 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,439 Speaker 1: potentially uh and you know, specifically requested at the front desk, 775 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,879 Speaker 1: like I want the most haunted room. I gotta ask 776 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: really quickly, Matt. You said there was a section on 777 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,359 Speaker 1: the website that was all about the ghostie stuff. I'm 778 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 1: trying to find it and I'm just having a heart 779 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 1: I've gotten about us section that mentions the history but 780 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:01,120 Speaker 1: not the haunting. Ah, then it's got some ace reviews 781 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:06,480 Speaker 1: from people who stayed there. It's Emily Morgan Hotel dot com. Yeah, 782 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: that's slash building dash history slash Emily dash Morgan dash 783 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: haunted History. How do you navigate to that on the 784 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 1: actual website. I'm trying to find this part highlighted as 785 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,239 Speaker 1: like a feature, and I'm not finding it. Look, bro, 786 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how I got here, but I got here, 787 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,360 Speaker 1: and you can get here too. And let's hear that 788 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 1: you are l again for the folks at home. Oh god, 789 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,319 Speaker 1: I just I think if you let me see, if 790 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: you if you google just Emily Morgan Hotel Haunted History 791 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: for me, it's the top link on Duck Duck go. 792 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I just, like I said, like on 793 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,839 Speaker 1: the front page and in the about us section they 794 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 1: have some history tidbits, but nothing highlighting a whole haunted section, 795 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,880 Speaker 1: so they might have hidden that. I wont that's interesting. 796 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,600 Speaker 1: That's weird. I put it in the group chat. Okay, 797 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,439 Speaker 1: so you can you can look at it. But yeah, 798 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 1: as Matt said, you can go to your search browser 799 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: of choice, go Emily Morgan Hotel Haunted history That should 800 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: take you there. Look, there's the other side of the 801 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: coin here. Reports of strange activity have dogged this building 802 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: ever since it opened up as a hotel decades and 803 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,200 Speaker 1: decades ago. So we have to ask ourselves some questions. One, 804 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: could every single person be intentionally making this stuff up? 805 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:32,879 Speaker 1: That seems highly unlikely. Second, could every single person, including employees, 806 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 1: within depth knowledge of the building be honestly mistaken That 807 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:43,240 Speaker 1: also seems unlikely. Third, could every single person really genuinely 808 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: have confused something mundane for something paranormal that itself is 809 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,279 Speaker 1: a tall milkshake If we're talking about everybody doing the 810 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,320 Speaker 1: same thing, which means for the best chance to fully 811 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,400 Speaker 1: explain some of what's going on in the Emily Morgan, 812 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: our next step is clear. We have to go back, 813 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 1: So see you soon, san Antonio. I feel like that's 814 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,120 Speaker 1: at that at this point, that's our best next step. Yeah, yeah, 815 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,920 Speaker 1: well I'm ready to go. It's around two hundred dollars 816 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 1: for a room for a night there, at least that's 817 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: what I'm finding in during May. So you know, if 818 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,319 Speaker 1: we can get if we can get Illumination Global to 819 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,839 Speaker 1: fit the bill and we'll be there. Or hey, if 820 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: do you work at the Emily Morgan hook us up 821 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,319 Speaker 1: Illuminations got pretty deep pockets. I bet they could swing it. Yeah, 822 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: but I mean if if we get a freebee, then like, 823 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,120 Speaker 1: let's do it. You know what I mean? Yes, let's 824 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:47,400 Speaker 1: do it. Even the Illuminati clip coupons from time to time. Yes, Uh, 825 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: that bed bath and Babylon. Hey, Mercedes, well we're at it. 826 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 1: If you've got any of those giant vans just lying around, 827 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:55,600 Speaker 1: you want to give it to us so we can 828 00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 1: drive it out to San Antonio, that'd be great. If 829 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 1: we've got a dirigible borrow to head to head to Texas, 830 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: we would be profoundly in your debt. So while we're 831 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,279 Speaker 1: getting this together, while we're figuring out how we're going 832 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 1: to get to San Antonio and how we can look 833 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 1: further into the mysteries of the Emily Morgan Hotel, we'd 834 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,719 Speaker 1: like to hear from you folks. What do you think 835 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 1: about this? What do you think about these explanations? Have 836 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,160 Speaker 1: you been to the hotel yourself? Did you see anything weird? 837 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: What was up with your jacuzzi? Uh? We're also interested 838 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: to hear about the locally infamous haunted houses in your 839 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:39,439 Speaker 1: neck of the global woods. Well it seems like every town. Um, well, 840 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 1: cities have dozens, but even the smallest of towns usually 841 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,319 Speaker 1: have one creepy spot, right, So tell us about yours. 842 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,799 Speaker 1: Tell us if you think it's legit, or tell us 843 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,960 Speaker 1: if you think you have an explanation behind some of 844 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,360 Speaker 1: the allegations of ghostly activity that you have heard. And 845 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,200 Speaker 1: if you think, yeah, this I'm a skeptic, but this 846 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,200 Speaker 1: place is definitely haunted, it's even better. We definitely want 847 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 1: to hear that story. And also, of course extra special 848 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 1: thanks to Brittany and to Paul for this episode, but 849 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 1: we want to hear from you. 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