WEBVTT - Best Of Dear Chelsea: Brooke Shields

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<v Speaker 1>Hi there everybody. What's going on? Hi Chelsea, what's happening?

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<v Speaker 1>Hui's go in really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, our little puppy is growing up. He's a month

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<v Speaker 2>older and you know, getting potty trained, getting there, getting there.

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<v Speaker 1>Wendell Begnet is a month older. Poor Wendell Beignet. What's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen to Wendall's life?

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to get chubby like a pugshit, He's.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to come out of the closet very soon. Oh yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he's definitely. He's definitely gay. For sure.

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<v Speaker 2>He for sure is with a name like that. Well, Chelsea,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a quick follow up for you. This is

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<v Speaker 2>from Rachel. She called in on our mic Berbiglia episode

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<v Speaker 2>and she was the one who was getting married and

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<v Speaker 2>her brother in law was not letting her sister's kids

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<v Speaker 2>come to the wedding. Hi, Catherine and Chelsea. I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>sorry about just now replying. I was waiting and hoping

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<v Speaker 2>that something would possibly change, but unfortunately that did not happen.

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<v Speaker 2>My niece and nephew will sadly not be a part

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<v Speaker 2>of my wedding. We're about forty days from the big day,

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<v Speaker 2>and after trying to reach out to my ex brother

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<v Speaker 2>in law again. We've just accepted the situation as it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been about eight months since he and I have spoken,

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<v Speaker 2>and things are so messy that he and my sister

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<v Speaker 2>still have to communicate through a co parenting app for

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<v Speaker 2>documentation and legal purposes. It's a parent that he's hurting

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<v Speaker 2>deep down, and I just hope he can get some

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<v Speaker 2>help and heal one day. On the bright side, my

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<v Speaker 2>sister seems happier than ever nowadays. She's thriving in her

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<v Speaker 2>career as an elementary school principle, and she's been able

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<v Speaker 2>to really focus on herself for the first time in

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<v Speaker 2>a while. So we've taken your advice and decided to

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<v Speaker 2>have a private quote pretend wedding in my parents' backyard

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<v Speaker 2>the week before our wedding. That way, my niece and

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<v Speaker 2>nephew can be our flower girl and ring bearer and

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<v Speaker 2>have all the attention and happiness directed toward them. Truthfully,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want them to be okay and not have

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<v Speaker 2>their childhood stripped of their innocence. Chelsea and Catherine, you

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<v Speaker 2>two are awesome. Thank you for keeping us all laughing

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<v Speaker 2>during some shitty situations. Love Rachel PS. I'll be sure

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<v Speaker 2>to send a picture of the three of us at

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<v Speaker 2>our backyard wedding. Stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's cute, nice solution. That's good. Yeah, that's all

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<v Speaker 1>good vibes. Too bad about the brother, but whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes we just have to let other people do

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<v Speaker 2>what they're going to do and make the best of

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<v Speaker 2>a situation. And I'm really happy that she's choosing to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. We've got an amazing guest today, Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we do. Actually we just worked together sort of

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<v Speaker 1>but not really. We both did Kim Kardashian's Skim's campaign

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<v Speaker 1>bra campaign, uh huh, and we both I noticed, used

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<v Speaker 1>the same hair dresser. Oh, hair dresser, that's like an

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<v Speaker 1>art an outdated term. But anyway, hair stylist Vernado, the

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<v Speaker 1>sky Ronado, and her hair looked so badass during the

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<v Speaker 1>campaign or for the photos. When we got all the photos,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I thought my hair looked good. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I saw brook Shields's hair and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>whoa wait, But then I realized she's Brookshields. Yes, that's

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<v Speaker 1>who our guess is today, Brooks Shields.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she is known for her luscious hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, she's known for her lusciousness.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. She is an actress, model, CEO and host of

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<v Speaker 1>the Now What podcast. Please welcome Brookshields. Hi, Brooke, Hi, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you feeling?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? My god better? But I sell my throat still

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<v Speaker 1>has a pickle, a tickle pickle every I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>must be post nasal drip. But I'm lying in bed

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<v Speaker 1>and I go like this fifty thousand times. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>I'm single at this time in my life because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who would want to have sex with me. All.

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<v Speaker 3>I always like this, Chris does that, My husband Chris

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<v Speaker 3>does It drives me insane because it's neither nor It's

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<v Speaker 3>not a great cough and it's not really it's something else.

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<v Speaker 3>Commit to one or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>On the subject of your husband, Chris. Actually good place

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<v Speaker 1>to start for us because I knew Chris years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think I told you about. I used to

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<v Speaker 1>wait tables at a place called Roasty on Montana and

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<v Speaker 1>Chris was a young writer who would come in and

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<v Speaker 1>he was a really nice guy, and I think he

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<v Speaker 1>had some friends and he would come in with other

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<v Speaker 1>writer guys. Yeah, And he would come in and That's

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<v Speaker 1>how I knew him. And then he went off and

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<v Speaker 1>married you, and then I never saw him again.

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<v Speaker 3>Well see where was the natural progression?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly Matt, who stopped speaking to me completely. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>he said to say hi, by the way, Oh tell

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<v Speaker 1>him I say hi back, please.

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<v Speaker 3>I will, I will, I will, I will.

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<v Speaker 1>But you guys have had such a long successful relationship, marriage, partnership.

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering if you could speak to that and

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<v Speaker 1>tell us a little bit about how you feel about

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<v Speaker 1>your side of the street and your relationship, how you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you've grown as a woman within your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with having a family and everything, because these are things

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<v Speaker 1>I can't really relate to. So I'm so curious.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm his first marriage, or he likes to say I'm

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<v Speaker 3>her current marriage. But I had a marriage before, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that that was probably a really great thing

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<v Speaker 3>because I learned really what I didn't want in a relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I should have learned it without having to actually

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<v Speaker 3>go through the marriage, but I think that it's first

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<v Speaker 3>of all, it's a lot is attributable to him because

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<v Speaker 3>he's a very solid person. He doesn't get threatened easily

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<v Speaker 3>by any of any of that. I come with a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I come with a lot. It's it's hard,

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<v Speaker 3>not only my history, but because I'm recognized and because

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<v Speaker 3>the world feels like they own me. I think that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I come with a lot. So he's very,

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<v Speaker 3>very patient. And one of the things that I think

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<v Speaker 3>what he was willing to do is adapt to certain

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<v Speaker 3>things that I have asked him. For instance, when we

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<v Speaker 3>first met, it was always funny how he would make

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<v Speaker 3>fun of me. And he made fun of me like,

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<v Speaker 3>just I do really geeky, stupid things, and like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>that kid that always had the different color highlighters and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm organizing and I like underlining, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>just I do things that are kind of geeky. And

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<v Speaker 3>he used to make fun of me, or the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that I couldn't cook. And it was cute in the

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<v Speaker 3>beginning because it was it felt really personal, but it

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<v Speaker 3>was never mean. But they were little things. And as

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like ten years into the relationship, I said

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<v Speaker 3>to him, you know what, I'm growing as a person

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't want to self deprecate as much as

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<v Speaker 3>I used to in the same way and for the

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<v Speaker 3>same reasons. And you kind of knocking me down a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of pegs doesn't feel cute anymore to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know it sounds like a bait and switch,

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<v Speaker 3>and I know I'm changing the terms here, but we

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<v Speaker 3>all have to adapt. And you've mentioned accountability when we

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<v Speaker 3>were talking one time, and I think that there is

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<v Speaker 3>accountability to You're not trying to change the other person,

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<v Speaker 3>but there are certain things that have to become a compromise,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have to be able to express what you

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<v Speaker 3>need and also be able to change in little ways

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<v Speaker 3>that do make a huge difference to your partner. And

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<v Speaker 3>that type of back and forth in exchange has been

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<v Speaker 3>just really healthy for us. Wow. Yeah, Like he'll if

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<v Speaker 3>I start a sentence with to him, I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>you realize how much I have on my plate, or

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<v Speaker 3>something like that, he cannot stand it because it underestimates

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<v Speaker 3>how much he really does understand about me and my life,

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<v Speaker 3>and so he'll get prickly with something like that. So

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<v Speaker 3>I have to keep in mind that that's not a kind,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not a rhetoric. That it just makes him bristle

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<v Speaker 3>and he in a second, he's got his eye up,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. So I think that the willingness to be

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<v Speaker 3>you know, people say, oh, friendship, and so first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>laughter is just key. I mean, he just makes me

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<v Speaker 3>laugh and that's been a big part of our relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>He is such a good father and he's in the time,

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<v Speaker 3>and that makes being a mother so much more palatable

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<v Speaker 3>in many ways for me, even though I've always wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to have kids. It's really not easy, and it's a

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<v Speaker 3>full time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just forever, and then some it's forever, and then

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<v Speaker 1>some it's never over now.

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<v Speaker 3>And sometimes loving that much it's just to pain the ass.

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<v Speaker 3>You're just like, why am I doing this to myself?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the kind of worry that you're just like, God,

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<v Speaker 3>did I want to feel this horrible? It's weird. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I have that conversation with a really good friend of

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<v Speaker 3>mine and she's sort of belaboring the fact that she's

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<v Speaker 3>not having children and she never wanted them, And then

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<v Speaker 3>the clock got a certain to a certain place, and

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<v Speaker 3>then it became difficult, and then it became, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 3>what am I missing out on? And I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>don't lose sight of how you can get love from

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<v Speaker 3>her husband's grandchildren or how you know. And also to

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<v Speaker 3>keep in mind that she never was motivated to have

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<v Speaker 3>to do it wasn't a part of her the way

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<v Speaker 3>it was a part of me.

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<v Speaker 1>I say that in my stand up special, my new

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<v Speaker 1>standup special, I talk about like, if you're on the

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<v Speaker 1>fence at all about becoming a mother, then don't become

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<v Speaker 1>a mother. Like if you're questioning it, if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty percent in in it and saying

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<v Speaker 1>like this is what I want, I can't live without it,

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<v Speaker 1>then you shouldn't have a baby because it is that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of commitment. You can't be like, well, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting older and I may as well have one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, tell your friends to call me. I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>shake her out.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's also true that, you know, ay, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>I respect the way you talk about it, because not

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<v Speaker 3>everybody should want to have children. If they don't want to,

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<v Speaker 3>they shouldn't be shamed into it. And it's a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it is also it's the kind of thing that there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot to it, and you know it's not going

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<v Speaker 3>to fix a relationship. I hear couples talk about, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>their marriage is having trouble and they think a baby

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<v Speaker 3>is going to fix it.

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<v Speaker 1>Trust me, No, it's not that whatever your problems are

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<v Speaker 1>become magnified right when you have a baby, absolutely, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the blame starts and you're just like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>just becoming degraded. Now what Okay? Because I know you have,

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<v Speaker 1>You've spoken a lot and written a lot about your

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<v Speaker 1>relationship and the difficulties with your relationship with your own mother,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I think for your I'm so curious about

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<v Speaker 1>when you became a mother. I mean, you must have

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<v Speaker 1>had such an inner dialogue going on for fear of

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<v Speaker 1>replicating any of the stuff that was so painful or

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<v Speaker 1>hurtful to you.

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<v Speaker 3>The weirdest thing is I've done so much work on

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<v Speaker 3>myself in therapy for decades that I focused on the

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<v Speaker 3>things that I want to replicate rather than just the

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<v Speaker 3>things I didn't want to replicate because I had done

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<v Speaker 3>so much work. And so to compare myself in any

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<v Speaker 3>way in a negative way to a woman who really

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<v Speaker 3>was so broken and couldn't do the work on herself

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<v Speaker 3>or for herself, and you know it's not only just alcoholic.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think she could ever get through step seven

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever the amends one is. But I think that

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<v Speaker 3>her humor was so important, her willingness to have fun

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<v Speaker 3>with me, her belief that I should always have someone

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<v Speaker 3>my own age around me, even within this industry. Her

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<v Speaker 3>very frank way of discussing anything. You know, she was ballsy,

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<v Speaker 3>and that really protected me. And so I try to

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<v Speaker 3>remember those things, and I try to be careful about

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<v Speaker 3>my drinking because I know that that is in my blood.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm surprised at how how much freedom emotionally I give

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<v Speaker 3>my kids. You know how, I never thought that talking

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<v Speaker 3>to them about sex and talking to I thought because

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<v Speaker 3>my mother never talked to me about anything. You just

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<v Speaker 3>were told, don't do it, you'll burn an hell. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I became sort of known for being a virgin.

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<v Speaker 3>We talk about everything together and I have no judgment

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm shocked at myself. Wow, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>we talk about it all, and I didn't think that

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<v Speaker 3>i'd be comfortable with it on that level.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can see what you mean by that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just thinking about my nieces and nephews and I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I would be the closest to non judgmental,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm still they're like my little babies and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even think about the things that they might

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<v Speaker 1>be getting up to right now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's crazy. It's just so crazy. And but I, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I always say, it's just it's important that you have

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<v Speaker 3>an ally within these these times in your life because

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna need it. And who better than your mom

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<v Speaker 3>in my case with her, because I'm always going to

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<v Speaker 3>be here for whatever it is. I'm like, but don't

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<v Speaker 3>be an idiot.

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<v Speaker 1>Do either of your girls remind you of your mom? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great question. There are sometimes when my older

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<v Speaker 1>daughter will do something that is just so defiant, like

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<v Speaker 1>she's got balls, my daughter, And you think that I

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<v Speaker 1>would see my mom do that, or she would do

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<v Speaker 1>things just to be the first one dancing on the

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<v Speaker 1>table or something like that. So there are some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ballsy and her sense of humor, My mom's sense

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<v Speaker 1>of humor does really sort of breathe through Rowan in particular. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's cool. That must be really like meaningful to see

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<v Speaker 1>it is because I'll say things that my mother would

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<v Speaker 1>have said that just can sound borderline, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when a dog is outside the deli or something and

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<v Speaker 1>they're looking inside to see where their master is like

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<v Speaker 1>their masters, like they just can't they can only look

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<v Speaker 1>at theirs, her or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>My mother used to walk by the dogs and go,

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<v Speaker 3>she's never coming back, which is a sick joke. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a sick joke. And and my mom was full of

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<v Speaker 3>sick jokes like that, and so and I would like

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<v Speaker 3>try them out on rowan and she was like, Mom,

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<v Speaker 3>that's so sick, but it's so fucking funny.

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<v Speaker 1>That's cute. Well, I think that's a really beautiful sentiment.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Taking the best out of a relationship is

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<v Speaker 1>what we should all be doing, out of our difficult relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>out of our beautiful relationships, out of our best relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>but taking the best things about that and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>replicate those instead of focusing on the things that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to replicate, focusing on the things that you do.

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<v Speaker 3>The minute you start going down the road of the

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<v Speaker 3>things you don't want or the things that are bad,

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<v Speaker 3>you're now demonizing this person even more, especially if they're

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<v Speaker 3>not alive, right, and then you're not even giving yourself

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<v Speaker 3>a chance to sort of not live with rose colored

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<v Speaker 3>glasses about who they were, but to also sort of

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<v Speaker 3>say people are complex and I'm going to try to

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<v Speaker 3>shift this and start with a positive rather than, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>making myself terrified that i'm you know things. I'm my

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<v Speaker 3>own person too, you know, And I think that that's

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<v Speaker 3>important for people to remember, is that they are they

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<v Speaker 3>can be their own people.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exactly. Okay, So we are going to take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break, and then we're going to come back and

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<v Speaker 1>get to some callers who need some life advice. Brook,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to dish it out, okay, and give real

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<v Speaker 1>people advice on what to do in situations. Catherine, are

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<v Speaker 1>we ready to take a quick break. We're ready to

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick Yes, Oh my god, we're taking a

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<v Speaker 1>break and we'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're back and we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, I'm going to switch up the

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<v Speaker 2>order that I intended these in because we've already been

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<v Speaker 2>talking about dogs, and I see you have it's Pepper

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<v Speaker 2>right of Pepper there at it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Clearly bored because she just got up and left down.

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<v Speaker 1>Aren't dogs all bored all the time? Is not where

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<v Speaker 1>there's sleeping all of the time, and my dogs are

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping all of the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like cats are more bored than dogs. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I don't know. Mine is so neurotic and insecure.

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<v Speaker 1>My dogs are like cats.

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<v Speaker 3>I have two cat dogs, wow, and I have a

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<v Speaker 3>neurotic separation anxiety dog Milcks. She's a Portuguese water dog.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I oh, those are nice dogs. What happens

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<v Speaker 1>when you have a dog in the city. Isn't that

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<v Speaker 1>just a fucking huge pain in the ass brook to

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<v Speaker 1>have to go outside into the city every time they

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<v Speaker 1>need to go out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it can be a bit can be, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you get your dog people in town and

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<v Speaker 3>we are able to leave the city in the summer

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<v Speaker 3>and have the best of both worlds. I mean, what's

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<v Speaker 3>hard is making sure your dog can tell you when

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<v Speaker 3>they have to go to the bathroom, which, like I

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<v Speaker 3>now know her look obviously when she's got to go,

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<v Speaker 3>but she's not clear, Like she doesn't go to the

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<v Speaker 3>door and like paw the door. So there's been many

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<v Speaker 3>a package left for eh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we trained our little pog Mimsy using bells, so

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<v Speaker 2>she if she has to go out, she just goes

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<v Speaker 2>and rings the bell. I mean we take her out

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<v Speaker 2>at regular intervals anyway. But it's it's a life saver.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a carpet saver.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it's too fucking late for us, Sat. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for the hot tip. Now, I mean, we can't train

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<v Speaker 1>these dogs to ring doorbells, sorry or bells?

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<v Speaker 2>Dog can't learn? Okay, Well, and I actually just got

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<v Speaker 2>a new puppy. But I actually picked this question for

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<v Speaker 2>you weeks ago. So this question comes from Lindsay. Lindsay says,

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<v Speaker 2>Dear Chelsea, should we get.

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<v Speaker 1>A new dog.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been over four years since our dog passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>She felt like a soulmate to me and we went

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<v Speaker 2>through so many life events together. I loved her in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that makes my heart burst even today. Her

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<v Speaker 2>passing was tragic and took years to get through. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel her presence all the time, and I miss her

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<v Speaker 2>every day. In the last year, I've been finding myself

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<v Speaker 2>wanting the physical presence of a dog again. However, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>terrified of not feeling that same love for a new dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Well also being terrified that I'll feel that strong feeling again,

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<v Speaker 2>which ultimately means I'll feel terrible loss again. We travel often,

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<v Speaker 2>have two senior cats and a six year old. Our

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<v Speaker 2>lives are busy, so I also wonder if maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>timing isn't right to add a dog to our family.

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<v Speaker 2>How will I know when the time is right? How

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<v Speaker 2>do I get past the fear, Lindsey.

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<v Speaker 1>Just get a fucking dog, Lindsay. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not a hard problem at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Go get a dog, and don't compare that dog all

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<v Speaker 3>the time to your deceased little love bug. Because it

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<v Speaker 3>took me a while too, and I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna love this dog as much, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>was resistant, and poor dog didn't know the difference. She

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know my other dog. You know, I just think,

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<v Speaker 3>get a dog, and it's good for a little girl

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<v Speaker 3>to grow up with with a dog. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know you're gonna end up doing all the work, obviously, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Also once you get a new dog, your love transfers.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have any choice but to love and focus

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<v Speaker 1>on that dog that you're not gonna have be comparing

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<v Speaker 1>it to your other dog, even like I've had so

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<v Speaker 1>many dogs, and every time you just have a different

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<v Speaker 1>kind of love for them, you're like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>this is my number one now. It actually helps you

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<v Speaker 1>get over the loss of the other one too.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually too, And if you have just one kid, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean think about if you had another daughter, would you

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<v Speaker 3>only love the six year old more than the baby?

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<v Speaker 3>I doubt it, Yeah, exactly, So you just it's like

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<v Speaker 3>growing another heart.

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<v Speaker 1>So buck up and just go get that dog.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I think so, Lindsey, get the dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that was easy.

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<v Speaker 1>That was probably the easiest question we've ever gotten.

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<v Speaker 3>So oh boy, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, our next question comes from Jesse. She's a caller.

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<v Speaker 2>She says, Dear Chelsea, my boyfriend and I recently went

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<v Speaker 2>on a camping trip with his whole family, mom, dad's sister,

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<v Speaker 2>and his nephew. My nine year old son and our

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<v Speaker 2>dog also joined us. Three days in, we had reservations

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<v Speaker 2>to go whitewater rafting with my boyfriend's sister, her son,

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<v Speaker 2>my son, and my boyfriend. Of the river was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>We were all laughing, screaming, and having the best time.

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<v Speaker 2>Shortly into it, I decided to move back a seat

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<v Speaker 2>to sit next to my boyfriend. His sister is an

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive type A and promptly turns around to tell me

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<v Speaker 2>to move back to my original seat. I told her

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<v Speaker 2>it should be fine because I'm still peddling in the

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<v Speaker 2>same area I was before. She continued to tell me no,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to move back. While raising her voice, I

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<v Speaker 2>told her not to talk to me like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>all hell broke loose.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh oh rot row mmmmm.

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<v Speaker 2>She used this moment to stand up, point her finger

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<v Speaker 2>in my face while telling me all the things she's

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<v Speaker 2>always hated about me since day one. She concluded it

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<v Speaker 2>by saying, and I'm not the only one who feels

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<v Speaker 2>this way. I immediately broke down and cried the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the two hour trip down the river. We packed

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<v Speaker 2>up our camp and drove back home. As soon as

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<v Speaker 2>we got back to the campsite, his mom and dad

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<v Speaker 2>sided with his sister and also doubled down on all

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<v Speaker 2>the resentments they have had toward me for the four

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<v Speaker 2>years we've been together. Oh, nothing they've said makes any

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<v Speaker 2>sense to me, and I honestly feel broken, sad, and confused.

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<v Speaker 2>I lost my dad to COVID in twenty twenty and

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<v Speaker 2>have considered his family my family. I can feel the

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<v Speaker 2>energy shift in my relationship with my boyfriend, and I

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<v Speaker 2>truly don't know where to go from here. Please help Jesse.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, no, Jesse, Hi, Jesse, Hi, Jesse, Hey, this is

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<v Speaker 1>our special guest, Brookshields is here today.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi Brooke. HII, so nice to see y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, first of all, rap trips are not easy.

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<v Speaker 3>They're they're challenging, and they're they bring out a lot

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<v Speaker 3>in people.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that was that was one of the issues

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<v Speaker 4>for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>What did you how did your Have you spoken at

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<v Speaker 3>length to your boyfriend about all of this?

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<v Speaker 4>We actually both started seeing a therapist. We both see

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<v Speaker 4>the same therapists now, which is convenient. So on Sundays

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<v Speaker 4>basically that he does him at ten am and me

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<v Speaker 4>at eleven am, and we're both kind of talking it

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<v Speaker 4>out with our cool so, I mean, we're just we're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to get through it. It's just it was a

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<v Speaker 4>lot and he's not really sure where to go from

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<v Speaker 4>here either.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what is he saying? Like how does he feel?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what does he agree with his family? Did

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<v Speaker 1>he know that they felt this way?

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<v Speaker 4>He he's a different person with them than he is

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<v Speaker 4>with me. He is very quiet around them, he's very

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't really speak as mine. But when he's with me,

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<v Speaker 4>he's like, that was obviously crazy, you know, And basically

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to surround myself with somebody that's really

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<v Speaker 4>negative and that just brings that energy around, so he

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't really agree with it at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Well usually though, But there's also a part in a

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<v Speaker 3>relationship where to a certain extent, your partner has to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to stick up for you in some way,

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<v Speaker 3>and it can be done in a loving way. But

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<v Speaker 3>you are his choice. His family. He didn't have a

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<v Speaker 3>choice about. You know, is he older or younger than

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<v Speaker 3>the sister.

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<v Speaker 4>He's younger. She's actually my age and he's three years

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<v Speaker 4>younger than me.

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<v Speaker 3>And what's her life situation.

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<v Speaker 4>She is a single mom. She's always had that aggressive side,

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<v Speaker 4>a little just abrasive. I think it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>a guard she has up to protect herself, if that

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<v Speaker 4>makes sense, because she's kind of always been on her

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<v Speaker 4>own and she does take care of her son by herself,

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<v Speaker 4>so it's just her and him.

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<v Speaker 3>What's interesting about that is there I feel like there's

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<v Speaker 3>some jealousy and projection. But also when anybody says, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not the only one that feels that way, that's

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<v Speaker 3>sort of a cop out because they're not owning their vitriol,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they're sort of pawning it off on somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate that. I hate that when people use that

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<v Speaker 1>in fights.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my God, it was so hurtful, that so immature

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<v Speaker 4>for me. Yeah, I immediately started crying and.

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<v Speaker 3>So unfair by the way to the rest of his

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<v Speaker 3>family also, because you know, sometimes that can be an

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<v Speaker 3>opening for the rest of his family talking to them

0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:58.240
<v Speaker 3>and sort of saying, is this true. Do you have

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<v Speaker 3>a problem with me that I don't know about? Because

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<v Speaker 3>I love your brother, I love your son. Can we

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<v Speaker 3>talk about this? Just because to hear it like that

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<v Speaker 3>and being such an outburst, there has to be something

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<v Speaker 3>else either going on. I mean, I would save her

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<v Speaker 3>to last, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so funny you say that because we had this

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<v Speaker 4>conversation yesterday and I'm like, you know, I feel like

0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:21.680
<v Speaker 4>this was obviously a projection of something. But this might

0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 4>have something to do with her and his relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you know, maybe that's.

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<v Speaker 4>What made her because there wasn't anything that led up

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<v Speaker 4>to that other than the changing seats on the raft

0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:34.440
<v Speaker 4>that made her so angry.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, is there another sister? Is it just the two

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<v Speaker 3>of them?

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<v Speaker 4>It's just the two of them?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well you're invading her space and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, something that pupped up for me reading that, imagining

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 2>myself like if I were the sister blowing up, but

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 2>you is potentially she had some anxiety about the whitewater

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 2>rafting and you moving it like brought out this other stuff.

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 2>But she's also clearly been harboring resentments. And I'm so

0:24:58.119 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 2>bummed out that this happened to you, but I'm also

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<v Speaker 2>sorry this happened in front of your son, like any adults.

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<v Speaker 4>Was one of the main issues for me was that

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<v Speaker 4>happened in front of my son. I couldn't y knock

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<v Speaker 4>her teeth out, you know, I couldn't. I couldn't scream

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 4>at her. I just went in the other direction.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's okay because you don't want to scream in

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<v Speaker 1>yaw because that's a loss of control. Her screaming at

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<v Speaker 1>you in the middle of a whitewater rafting trip is

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<v Speaker 1>like a complete loss of control. So if any like

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<v Speaker 1>set's on her, Yeah, there's a million ways to have

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<v Speaker 1>a rational conversation when you have issues with somebody. Flipping

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<v Speaker 1>out in the middle of a trip is a loss

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.320
<v Speaker 1>of control that you need to apologize for. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>accountability comes in. You have to go, God, that was

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>really inappropriate, especially in front of your kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and also if you don't have the guts to

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<v Speaker 3>tell me personally, you need an audience. I don't know

0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 3>what that says about her, you know, I think she's

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<v Speaker 3>she's obviously triggered and maybe sounds like she's jealous of

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<v Speaker 3>whatever she thinks you have, including her brother.

0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Or angry just at her own circumstances. So what were

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 1>the complaints that she had about you? What did she say?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>My god, they were so ridiculous one of the main ones,

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<v Speaker 4>because I didn't hear them from her. The only thing

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 4>on the trip that I heard was that I keep

0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 4>bringing up their childhood and she doesn't like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I like to get really deep when I talk to people.

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 4>It's almost to a fault, Like I immediately start talking

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<v Speaker 4>about therapy, and you know, everybody needs therapy. Therapy is great.

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 4>And I live in South Alabama. I live in a

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 4>small southern town, but the people around here just aren't

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<v Speaker 4>that way, you know, And whenever I talk to them

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<v Speaker 4>about it, I can see they get uncomfortable. But I

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<v Speaker 4>almost take that as an opening to keep going and

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<v Speaker 4>like helping them just be happier and live happier lives. Almost,

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:44.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, we don't have to worry about this other shit.

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 4>We can be on a happy path if we want to.

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 4>But I think maybe they did see me as a threat.

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, maybe they saw me. That's what our

0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 4>therapist is saying, that, like, I caused a disruption in

0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 4>their family unit.

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Which is no fault of yours.

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:02.439
<v Speaker 3>It's not a fault.

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm just dating this guy.

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 3>It's not a fault of yours at all. I mean,

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:10.399
<v Speaker 3>I also think holding a mirror up to people, you know,

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 3>they get really threatened if they don't have the guts

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<v Speaker 3>to do that kind of self exploration, you know, and

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 3>admit things that you know maybe aren't the best about them.

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 3>But this is not your fault. I mean, God, I

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:26.800
<v Speaker 3>just I want him to come to your aide.

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 4>But I don't want it to be my decision. You know,

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 4>we had this conversation yesterday.

0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:31.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, I was.

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<v Speaker 4>What I would love for you to do is to

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<v Speaker 4>do this, you know, to go over there and stand

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 4>up for yourself and say this is who I am

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:42.159
<v Speaker 4>and we're not mad about any of the complaints. His

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 4>mom is the one who came over and kind of

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 4>started using this opportunity to tell me about things that

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:49.400
<v Speaker 4>have made her angry over the years about me, and

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<v Speaker 4>one of them was that I didn't help do dishes

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<v Speaker 4>on Thanksgiving two years ago. And on my side, I'm like,

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 4>all you had to do was ask, and I'll do

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 4>the dishes, you know. But also I don't really pick

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:03.440
<v Speaker 4>up after myself when I'm invited to Thanksgiving dinner. You know,

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 4>it's like this was your house, you know, this is

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.639
<v Speaker 4>your stuff, and but all you have to do is ask.

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 4>But it was really petty stuff like that, like I

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:14.680
<v Speaker 4>didn't help pick up dishes at Thanksgiving, I didn't help

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 4>bring bags over to the campsite. I didn't help them

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 4>unload the stuff from their from their car to their tent.

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:24.199
<v Speaker 4>Just things like that, and how they don't think I

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<v Speaker 4>treat their son right.

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<v Speaker 1>But well, listen, all of these examples you are giving

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 1>are reasonable things for someone. Listen, when I go to

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:33.439
<v Speaker 1>somebody's house, I don't know how to do dishes, but

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I always clean up after myself, whether it's someone else's

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>house or not. That's just kind of like a nice

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 1>thing to do. So yeah, the things that they're saying, whatever,

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter whether they're right or you're wrong. It's

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>just the matter of how you're having the conversation, right,

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 1>if they have resentments and like they shouldn't have to

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 1>ask you to come and help with the dishes as

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:53.719
<v Speaker 1>a guest, you should try and help. And then they

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 1>either say no or thank you. You know what I mean,

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 1>No you sit down or thank you. You know, there's

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 1>there's a certain like measure of manners that you should

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>impart and when, especially when you're at your boyfriend's parents' house,

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 1>just out of decency. Right, So all of these things,

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 1>it's like, Okay, that's a good point, that's a bad point.

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:12.200
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter. It's just a matter of the tenor

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>of the conversation. Because they've clearly painted you as this

0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>person that doesn't help out wherever you go camping over

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 1>to Thanksgiving. They think you're selfish and that I would

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>imagine that you don't treat your boyfriend with respect in

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>their eyes, that's what they're thinking, right.

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 3>It's funny. The dishes thing is a funny thing because

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 3>my daughter just recently said to me, she said, Mom,

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm amazed at how badly behaved a lot of young

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 3>people are. She said, whenever we're at dinner at someone

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 3>else's house. She was like, mom my, sister and I

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 3>are always the first up to go help with the dishes.

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 3>And it's either oh my god, thank you so much

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 3>or no, no, no, Annie, sit down, like you know,

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 3>but it's that little gesture. There are little things that

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 3>go a long way, but these things feel that there's

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 3>something deeper. Yes, that they're using these petty things to say, Oh,

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 3>she's a princess, she doesn't want to help with anything.

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 3>You're obviously not that, but it feels like there's something deeper.

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:09.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, you're taking her son away? Are you his

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 3>first real relationship? You know, you're the other woman with

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 3>regards to the sister. Whenever these things happen, it's always

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 3>about that person. The person doling out.

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 4>The person doing that is the person with the issue

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 4>for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's hard for you to say, but it's

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>also important to say to take accountability when it's when

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 1>you don't even feel like you've done anything wrong. You

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. To be a bigger person in

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 1>this larger conversation that you're having about your relationship, I

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>think it's really important for you to consider everything that

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 1>they're saying and whether or not you think you're wrong

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 1>or right, doesn't matter, right, It's just about the actual

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>tenor of the conversation. Because if you come back at

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 1>them calmly in a month or so or whatever and say, hey, listen,

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I've thought a lot about everything you guys said, and

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I want to take some accountability and responsibility for my

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 1>end of the thing, and I will definitely contribute more

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>and this and that. But I also you also need

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>something in return for that too. So when you're going

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 1>to therapy with you and your boyfriend, like when you

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>say your boyfriend doesn't know how to move on from this,

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 1>you've been together for four years, are you contemplating splitting

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 1>up over this?

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 4>It was actually it was a thought just because I

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 4>felt like I was coming between him and his family.

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 1>But isn't that a defensive thought though? Is that a

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>real thought or a defensive Yeah, it.

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 4>Was totally an insecurity. It was fully based off of

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:29.959
<v Speaker 4>he's going to choose them, so I better hurry up

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 4>and in this uh huh right, So I was just

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 4>this whole thing just made me really uncomfortable, Like the

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 4>face to face confrontation kind of scared me. And I'm like, well,

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 4>my son is traumatized, and I've tried to have open

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:49.719
<v Speaker 4>conversations with him just just so he's not traumatized. Do

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 4>you think sitting down and having a face to face

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 4>conversation with his parents would be beneficial.

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that you need to. I think yes, I

0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 1>think you're on the defense and you have every I

0:31:57.840 --> 0:31:59.959
<v Speaker 1>understand why, but I think you need to, like love

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>or your defenses and come from a place of understanding

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 1>and love because they're looking at you as a threat

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 1>and a loss. So like you have to be bigger

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 1>than that, and you have to go Okay, these people

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>are scared that they're going to lose their son. They

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>found a bunch of things they don't like about me.

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Let me make this easier for everybody, you know what

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, And you be the bigger person who cares

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 1>how they behaved, who cares how they acted. You can

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>actually make like a blueprint for them moving forward on

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 1>how you're all going to communicate together. So it is

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>a big opportunity for you to be a bigger person

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 1>and to actually come from your heart, not being defensive,

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 1>not trying to get rid of him before he gets

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:39.479
<v Speaker 1>rid of you, or get rid of him before his

0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 1>family gets rid of you, because that's not really anything,

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, then you might just be losing somebody that's

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be in your life. If you put the

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 1>effort forth, coming from a place of love and then

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't work out, then you have no regrets and

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>you have nothing to be ashamed about, nothing at all

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 1>to be ashamed about.

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<v Speaker 3>And the most disarming thing is coming at people with love,

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 3>because I always say to my daughter's tug of war

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 3>only works if both people are pulling. And it's so

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 3>disarming to sort of say, all right, I'm going to

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 3>own my part in this. But when these conversations, I've

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:16.480
<v Speaker 3>learned not to say you made me feel like this,

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:20.960
<v Speaker 3>you did this. I say, when you said that, all

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 3>of this insecurity came up in me, and I'm so

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 3>sorry if I haven't. I didn't know that was the

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 3>proper I didn't know that's what you wanted. And I'll

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 3>always you know. And it's once you give them the

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 3>littlest thing, like you know, I'd love to help you

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 3>in the kitchen, didn't I didn't think Whatever the reason is,

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 3>then you've lowered the frenetic, like you said, the tenor

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 3>of the whole communication and then you can say, you know,

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to steal your son. I love this,

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, family, or whatever you have to say. But

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 3>I do think that once you come at it from

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 3>a place like Chelsea said, of love, nobody can fight

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 3>against that. There's no nothing to fight against. Now, they

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 3>may not be the kind of arrived people emotionally that

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 3>will be able to handle it. You kind of have

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 3>to be ready for that too, you know. And then

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:13.919
<v Speaker 3>you're like, look, I'm not I'm not trying to fight

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 3>with you. I'm trying to understand because I felt hurt

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:21.920
<v Speaker 3>and I felt embarrassed in front of my son, and

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 3>this is an important moment. You know, we were on

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 3>a vacation. That's a very intimate thing, and I don't

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 3>want that to be the memory from this. Can we

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 3>move through this and can we have an open conversation

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 3>so that we can all own this and own our

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:39.439
<v Speaker 3>truth without hurting each other.

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's such a good perspective. Yeah.

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the harder thing to do. It's the high road,

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 3>you know. Oh yeah, but it's so admirable and it's

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 3>so freeing because like Chelsea said, then there's zero regret.

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 1>And also there's no defensive like you know, if she's defensive,

0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>if the sister's defensive, if the mother's defensive, you don't

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:03.400
<v Speaker 1>match that defensiveness. The only way to diffuse that is

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>to have no reaction to that, right, So if someone's

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 1>screaming at you and you're not screaming back at them

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:10.719
<v Speaker 1>and you're just looking at them, then where do they go?

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 1>But that situation just diffuses. It has to because you

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 1>can't yell alone. So like that's where I would say

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 1>to a you know, to go to mentally when you

0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 1>have this conversation, and should be in person, and it

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 1>should be with the whole family because they owe you

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>that for putting you in that situation in the first place,

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:27.439
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.919
<v Speaker 3>And also I think that he obviously these are two

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:35.839
<v Speaker 3>very strong women in his life. Was that his dad there?

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.200
<v Speaker 4>Mom and dad weren't on the raft with us. They

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 4>were back at the campsite. Oh okay, but yeah he

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 4>was there so to speek.

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.879
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if that's the dynamic that has been set

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 3>since he was a little boy. You know, you've got

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:51.319
<v Speaker 3>these two demonstrative women, then he always is silenced or

0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:55.760
<v Speaker 3>his masculinity is not you know important, or he watches

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 3>how his mother treats his dead or whatever that is, Like,

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 3>that's the stuff that that's coming up and hopefully will

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.799
<v Speaker 3>be dealt with in therapy. But what's really hard to

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.919
<v Speaker 3>do is to put him also in a position like saying,

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 3>why didn't you stick up for me? That's also a

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 3>defensive you know, that's also very difficult because if he

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 3>doesn't know how to stick up for himself and probably

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 3>never did as a child or with these women, it

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter how much he loves you, it's gonna he

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have the tools yet. He hasn't learned how to

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:27.719
<v Speaker 3>stick up for yourself, vote with love.

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 1>And remember if that's his blueprint for women, like you're

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 1>also that woman in his life, another strong willed, powerful woman,

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>So remember that when you're dealing with him, because you

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>want to have your own dynamic with him, so that

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:44.840
<v Speaker 1>there's also value in dissecting that and therapy with alone

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:45.680
<v Speaker 1>and with each other.

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:49.479
<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, he's never really uncovered any truths about

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:52.879
<v Speaker 4>his past until recently. So while I'm like repairing from

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 4>what happened on the camping trip, he's repairing from all

0:36:56.320 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 4>all these years of trauma and from his childhood unlearning

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:02.839
<v Speaker 4>things that he learned as a kid.

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.839
<v Speaker 3>Wow, that kind of patience is huge. And you know,

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 3>I've found in my relationships that I'm always better off

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 3>if I somehow give them the space to have whatever

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:20.759
<v Speaker 3>and without being the one that says you have to

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 3>do this and I want this, and because you can

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 3>do all that. By the way, the fact that he's

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 3>going to therapy with you is huge.

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Huge, Yeah, it is huge.

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, And I think that that's where you guys

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:37.359
<v Speaker 3>can heal, you know, I think in that together and

0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 3>that's just yours, that's nothing that's not his family.

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we did make the decision this year. I was

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:48.279
<v Speaker 4>going to ask you, So, my birthday is the day

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:51.720
<v Speaker 4>after Christmas. His birthday is on the thirtieth, and every

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 4>year on Christmas Eve, we go to his uncle's house

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 4>for this big Christmas Eve thing. His sister and his

0:37:57.040 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 4>nephew go and his mom and dad and just kind

0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 4>of an intimates Eve thing. We made the decision not

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:05.279
<v Speaker 4>to go just because his sister's going to be there.

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.720
<v Speaker 4>It was hard, but we made the decision. So I

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:10.719
<v Speaker 4>was listening to him one day we were on our

0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:13.560
<v Speaker 4>lunch break and he got emotional talking about not going

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:15.800
<v Speaker 4>to Christmas Eve. So I'm like, what, I'm going to

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 4>throw a surprise party for him. I've got to do

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.720
<v Speaker 4>something for him. I've got to repair this. He's upset.

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:24.319
<v Speaker 4>So I texted his mom and I said, I'd love

0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 4>to throw a surprise party on the thirtieth, on his birthday.

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:29.719
<v Speaker 4>I'd love for you guys to be there, if you

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 4>could bring his nephew, and if you could reach out

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 4>to his uncles as well to come, I.

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Would love that.

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:40.360
<v Speaker 4>And they said, what is Mom's response was this puts

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:43.799
<v Speaker 4>us in an uncomfortable position because they wouldn't want to

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:47.240
<v Speaker 4>bring the sun without his mom. They're basically his sister,

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 4>and I understand that for sure, But now I'm like, well,

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 4>since I was shot down, that was kind of embarrassing

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 4>because I've put myself out there.

0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:00.840
<v Speaker 1>But you're being defensive again. You're being defensive, yeah, but as.

0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 3>You put yourself out there in a way that's very hard,

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 3>because what that is that's almost like you're doubling down

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 3>yes by going, oh, yeah, well I'm going to throw

0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:11.959
<v Speaker 3>this party for him, that's not.

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>And then but putting them in a position where they're

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>not going to invite their own daughter. So that's not

0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:18.839
<v Speaker 1>correct what you did. Okay, I'm going to be very

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 1>honest with you, obviously because I can't be anything else.

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:23.720
<v Speaker 1>But I think you were really coming from a place

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.279
<v Speaker 1>where you have to adjust a little bit now too.

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>These people definitely have adjustments to make, but you need

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.120
<v Speaker 1>to adjust because you're putting them in a position where

0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 1>they have to leave out their daughter for their son's

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:35.719
<v Speaker 1>birth birthday party. Think about that. That's not cool for

0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>you to do to a family, and that is a

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 1>disruption to a family. And if the most generous thing

0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:43.919
<v Speaker 1>you can do is send his mother a text back

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and say, you know what, Okay, I understand that this

0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:49.439
<v Speaker 1>puts you in a difficult position. He's very upset about

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:53.319
<v Speaker 1>missing Christmas Eve. Either agree to go with him and

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:56.839
<v Speaker 1>go together and barry the hatchet and send everyone an

0:39:56.840 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 1>email beforehand saying this is such an important holiday for

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:02.879
<v Speaker 1>your boyfriend and I want to be there for him,

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 1>and I just want to be there in support and

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:06.880
<v Speaker 1>love and I don't want to have any issues or

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:09.439
<v Speaker 1>any problems. However, you want to say it in the

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 1>most gracious way you can find Unearthed all of the

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.879
<v Speaker 1>therapy that you have gleaned and use it and give

0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 1>it out right now, and then go to this Christmas

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Eve dinner if you can, if not, let him go

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 1>without you, you know, let him be with his family.

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Don't take people's families from them. Oh yeah, you know.

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:28.920
<v Speaker 4>No, I definitely don't want I don't want it to

0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:30.240
<v Speaker 4>be my decision at all.

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, but just offer it up, I say offered.

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean I was going to say that early. I

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:38.479
<v Speaker 3>was just trying to ease and do it. But I

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 3>think the best thing you can do for him and

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 3>for yourself is to go to No. I don't believe

0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 3>they've uninvited you. I'm assuming not, but to go and

0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:53.760
<v Speaker 3>kill him with kindness and whatever it is. I'm sorry

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 3>I didn't help you in the kitchen. I know holidays

0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 3>are really stressful. I wasn't thinking properly jump in the

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.800
<v Speaker 3>kitchen and be like I'm cleaning all the dishes or

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 3>without making it a thing, but saying like, I apologize,

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:06.560
<v Speaker 3>What can I do to help?

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you don't even have to bring up the dishes.

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Just go there this time and help and do all

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the things that they accused you of. Just go in there.

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to make it a thing, have a conversation,

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>just a show by example that you heard what they said,

0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:22.279
<v Speaker 1>regardless of how they came to you, and regardless of

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the altercation that happened on the boat. You be the

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 1>bigger person. This is a huge opportunity for you to

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:28.399
<v Speaker 1>go in. You were going to leave that Christmas Eve

0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:32.839
<v Speaker 1>dinner feeling fucking victorious. Yeah, God, I hope so you are.

0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 1>I promise you you are. You're going to report back

0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:35.919
<v Speaker 1>to us right after.

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:38.759
<v Speaker 3>Also, and that's the most loving thing that you can

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:41.320
<v Speaker 3>do for yourself and for your boyfriend.

0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 1>And you need to apologize to his mother for putting

0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 1>them in that situation. Also, just say, you know what,

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't thinking. You're right. I wasn't thinking that wasn't right.

0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm very sorry for doing that, and I apologize, you

0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean.

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:56.359
<v Speaker 3>And then leave it at that. Just then that's it.

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 1>You put that in a text back to her, you know,

0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 1>which she said, you're putting us in an uncomfortable situation.

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Was that a text from her?

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:05.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was a text from his mom.

0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you should apologize to her, say you're right,

0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see it that way, I get it now,

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 1>and then whether you want to text them about showing

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 1>up for Christmas or talk to your boyfriend and how

0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:17.759
<v Speaker 1>he wants to handle it, but let him know that

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 1>you're ready to go and play ball and have a

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 1>great time and there are no hard feelings and you

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:24.720
<v Speaker 1>can deal with the other stuff later.

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 4>Do you think that I should have a conversation with

0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 4>his sister and I just don't see no confrontation kind

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:32.360
<v Speaker 4>of Well.

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:33.880
<v Speaker 1>You can send her a text or an email and

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:35.880
<v Speaker 1>just say, hey, listen, Christmas Eve is coming up. This

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:39.360
<v Speaker 1>is what's your boyfriend's name, Taylor, Taylor. I know we

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.400
<v Speaker 1>have some stuff, unfinished business or whatever however you want

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:45.120
<v Speaker 1>to frame it, but be like, this is the holiday season.

0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I just want Taylor to be with his family and

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 1>be happy. I know this is meaningful to him. I'm

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 1>going to do my best to show up for you

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:54.719
<v Speaker 1>guys in the ways that you don't think I have

0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:58.080
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Just you know what I mean. Vacline the

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:01.839
<v Speaker 1>whole situation and then go in and demonstrate the fact

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:04.720
<v Speaker 1>that you heard what they said and you're still in therapy.

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:06.400
<v Speaker 1>You guys have all the time in the world to

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>figure out the nuances and the intricacies of how you

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.359
<v Speaker 1>want to handle this situation. But in the meantime, go

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:16.160
<v Speaker 1>and show yourself and make the situation lovely. It's a

0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:18.359
<v Speaker 1>good challenge for yourself. You don't have to get into

0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 1>it with anybody. If anyone says anything untoured towards you,

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 1>just let it roll over, you know, let it roll

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:26.239
<v Speaker 1>off your back. Use it as an exercise.

0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:29.879
<v Speaker 3>And also you've said more than one time, I don't

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 3>want it to be my decision. Well, it has to

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 3>be your decision, but it has to be your decision

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 3>under the right auspices, you know, with the right heart,

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:41.319
<v Speaker 3>because he's in trauma with them all, with the whole

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:45.840
<v Speaker 3>process and dealing with issues that he's had with his

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:47.840
<v Speaker 3>parents or with his mom and his sister. You know,

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 3>this is not the first time. I'm sure something they

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 3>have put him in some this position before. He's looking

0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:57.320
<v Speaker 3>to you, also without saying it, to make a decision,

0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:01.319
<v Speaker 3>but do it because of love, and they won't have

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 3>anything to fight against. But you know, Chelsea's right, like

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 3>the actions are going to speak louder than any text

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 3>any words.

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I want you to think about it in

0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:12.560
<v Speaker 1>this way when you go in there. This relationship may

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.080
<v Speaker 1>work and there or this relationship may not work. But

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 1>either way, they were always going to look back at

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:19.319
<v Speaker 1>the Christmas Eve that their son missed and blame the

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:21.239
<v Speaker 1>girl that was beat the cause of that. Yeah, So

0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 1>don't be that girl person, Go be the girl that

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:25.920
<v Speaker 1>actually looked over all of it and said, fuck it,

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 1>we're coming anyway. I'm a bigger person than this. I'm

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 1>not going to let you bring me down. I'm going

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 1>to be here to support my boyfriend, and I'm going

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:34.480
<v Speaker 1>to be here and show you what a loving family

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.360
<v Speaker 1>member I can be, just for now, just so that

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 1>that's not the memory that any of you have that

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 1>he missed at Christmas Eve with his family because of

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:43.399
<v Speaker 1>some woman, do you know what I mean?

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:47.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Absolutely, and your son too. It's really good for

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:50.640
<v Speaker 3>your son to see how you've processed this information and

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:52.799
<v Speaker 3>see how you show up. Oh yeah, see how you

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 3>show up for yourself and the graciousness of that is

0:44:57.800 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 3>such a good trait.

0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:00.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Oh my god.

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 3>That Yeah.

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 4>I really need to stop being defensive.

0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Yes, stop being defensive, and think of these two words,

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 1>grace and dignity. Grace and dignity whenever I am dealing

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 1>with somebody that I want to fucking kill. I think

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 1>about grace and dignity and then I just exude that

0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, and putting myself in an uncomfortable position is

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:23.400
<v Speaker 4>only going to be beneficial for me. You know, nothing

0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 4>bad can come from that.

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:26.400
<v Speaker 3>They also, you know that they've put you in a

0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:29.480
<v Speaker 3>position to It's like they're trying to win, right, and

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 3>so if you cow away or then pull him away,

0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 3>they they've won. You know, they've won, and they're right

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 3>in everything they've said. But if you show them in

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:41.480
<v Speaker 3>the merit that they're actually not right and this is

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:45.240
<v Speaker 3>how and this is why, then there's nothing else. Either

0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 3>there's something much much deeper, and it'll come out or

0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 3>it won't come out. But the important thing is is

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:55.359
<v Speaker 3>that you are taking this and saying, wow, I had

0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:58.160
<v Speaker 3>no idea. Whether you agree with it or not is

0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:00.920
<v Speaker 3>not the point. Yeah, these little like.

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 4>I hurt them in some way and just that alone.

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:06.799
<v Speaker 3>Did they ever say that word you hurt me?

0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:07.480
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:10.360
<v Speaker 4>But you know, there were a lot of different things

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 4>that happened that were said. I don't really remember all

0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 4>of them. I just immediately put up a guard, immediately

0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:19.319
<v Speaker 4>got defensive, like whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa Like y'all

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:21.799
<v Speaker 4>have never said this to me. And that's kind of

0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 4>what I was focusing on, was the fact that they've

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:27.200
<v Speaker 4>never said that to me, but they're saying it now,

0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:29.240
<v Speaker 4>so now I address it, you know, yes.

0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:31.280
<v Speaker 3>And also you know this is the way you've really

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:34.800
<v Speaker 3>always felt about me. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to

0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.319
<v Speaker 3>do anything to you, and that it was never my intention, And.

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Try not to play like a victim role at all.

0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Just try not to be emotional about it. I understand

0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:46.680
<v Speaker 1>you have your emotions and you have your right to them,

0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:49.319
<v Speaker 1>but like, just try to be even and just think

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:51.960
<v Speaker 1>about grace and dignity throughout the whole thing. Even if

0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:56.280
<v Speaker 1>someone says something untowared or unkind or a little you know, slight,

0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 1>you can just look the other way and just not engage,

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:02.880
<v Speaker 1>not react. It's not your place. You're just here to

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 1>support your boyfriend. That's it. Yeah.

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:07.360
<v Speaker 4>Don't make it about me, right, yeah.

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And don't make it a self fulfilling prophecy that

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:11.920
<v Speaker 2>you're the gal coming in to keep him from his family.

0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm being the bigger person. Yeah, yeah, this is what

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:16.080
<v Speaker 4>this is yeah.

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:19.239
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, don't expect a like a metal or anything either,

0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:23.280
<v Speaker 3>Like that's they'd be like, but I've done the altruistic thing,

0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, and it's like, yeah, that's not the way

0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:27.920
<v Speaker 3>it works. And it's like it's almost like you have

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:30.399
<v Speaker 3>to do a random act of kindness, you know.

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:32.760
<v Speaker 2>A very targeted, random active kindness.

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:33.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, to snap out of it.

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.000
<v Speaker 3>My mom used to pay the toll of the car

0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:39.400
<v Speaker 3>behind us and then just keep driving and she and

0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:40.840
<v Speaker 3>I'd say, oh, well, you know, they don't know it

0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:42.319
<v Speaker 3>to you, and she goes, that's why it's a random

0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:44.400
<v Speaker 3>active kindness. You don't pull over on the side of

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:47.400
<v Speaker 3>the road and point to yourself. I paid me. You

0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 3>know you're welcome. Now you do it without getting anything.

0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 1>Back, right, Yeah?

0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:58.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well Jesse, let us know how it goes, okay,

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 2>and I will very good luck.

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:03.319
<v Speaker 3>Thank you. I think there's son. It's the best thing

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:03.879
<v Speaker 3>to do for.

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 4>Your son, to conflict of a resolution. We've been talking

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:09.759
<v Speaker 4>a lot about about that, like how kids will see

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:13.840
<v Speaker 4>arguments and they don't see them resolved. So but I

0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:16.880
<v Speaker 4>can't thank y'all enough. This was like huge for me,

0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:20.680
<v Speaker 4>and I'm just I'm really, really, really happy that I

0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 4>got to talk to all all.

0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Right, well, good luck with everything, okay, thank you, and

0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 1>keep us posting Essie.

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:30.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, thank you, I will all right, bye, bye bye, Brooke.

0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:31.040
<v Speaker 2>You're so good at this.

0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, I've never done anything like this before in

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:36.400
<v Speaker 3>my life. I'm sweating you, guys.

0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>She took up our whole fucking episode. I was like,

0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, this is a serious situation, because, you

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:44.000
<v Speaker 1>know what, when that call started, I was like same,

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:46.520
<v Speaker 1>And once they I realized what they said to her,

0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, wait a second, maybe they have a

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:52.000
<v Speaker 1>fucking point, because you know, there are obviously two sides

0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:54.680
<v Speaker 1>to every story. And then with her defensiveness, I'm like, okay,

0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:56.239
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have to spend a little extra time with

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:58.359
<v Speaker 1>her because she does need to take it down a notch.

0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:01.360
<v Speaker 3>Right, Right, if someone showed up in my house, I

0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:03.279
<v Speaker 3>don't care who they are, and they didn't at least

0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:06.839
<v Speaker 3>attempt to help with the dishes, it's like one oh one.

0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:09.839
<v Speaker 1>So that's a little bit of skew. Right, You don't say,

0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:12.280
<v Speaker 1>nobody's gonna say, can you come help with the dishes?

0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:14.680
<v Speaker 1>As a guest? No, I don't have That's not their job.

0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:15.239
<v Speaker 1>To ask you.

0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:17.920
<v Speaker 3>It's your job to get my mom. This was I

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:20.759
<v Speaker 3>was like a kid, kid, like five or something, and

0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:24.319
<v Speaker 3>I went over to this little rich boy's house and

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:27.799
<v Speaker 3>after we were finished eating, I brought my dishes to

0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 3>the sink. And the mom called my mom later and said, yes, well,

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:35.400
<v Speaker 3>we just wanted you to know that we have people

0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:39.040
<v Speaker 3>to do that. And so you tell your daughter that

0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:42.200
<v Speaker 3>she shouldn't bring her dishes to the sink. And my

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:47.280
<v Speaker 3>mother said, well, we don't have people, and don't worry

0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:50.000
<v Speaker 3>about it because she's never coming over to your house again. Click.

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 3>She was always like, come on, kim On, you're gonna

0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:57.640
<v Speaker 3>do it. Their little things go a long way.

0:49:58.280 --> 0:49:59.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, seriously.

0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:02.920
<v Speaker 2>So let's take a quick break and we'll be right

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 2>back to wrap up with Brooke and Chelsea.

0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:12.120
<v Speaker 1>And we're back to wrap up with Bookshield, who it's

0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:15.600
<v Speaker 1>been as a light as Oh my god, good advice. Brook.

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:19.080
<v Speaker 1>That was our longest call ever, I think, Catherine.

0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 2>So but it was complicated.

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm kind of both.

0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:25.480
<v Speaker 1>No, I was down for it. Listen, I could have

0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:27.279
<v Speaker 1>been on the phone with her all day. I'm down

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:28.920
<v Speaker 1>with that right totally.

0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, Brooke, do you have any advice

0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:32.680
<v Speaker 2>you'd like from Chelsea?

0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Brook, do you have any advice you'd like to

0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:35.120
<v Speaker 1>ask me?

0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:38.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, there was one bit of advice that I was like,

0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:42.680
<v Speaker 3>because I don't this is really from your special because

0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:46.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm really bad with any kind of drug, Like I

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:49.360
<v Speaker 3>can't take anything. And I was like, I'm going to

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:52.239
<v Speaker 3>ask her what she thinks would work for me to

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:54.839
<v Speaker 3>sort of dial me down a little bit every once

0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:57.560
<v Speaker 3>in a while so that I could relax a little more.

0:50:57.840 --> 0:51:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, honestly, I don't think you're think you're cut out

0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:03.200
<v Speaker 1>for drugs either. I know what you mean. I know.

0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like a hit of a joint would be

0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:07.520
<v Speaker 1>fine for you. Not an edible because those are like

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:09.759
<v Speaker 1>long being, but like just a hit, not a joint,

0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:11.879
<v Speaker 1>but just a hit would just take the edge off

0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:14.600
<v Speaker 1>and make you a little bit loosey, goosey and giggly

0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and not probably as tightly wound as you may feel,

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:20.359
<v Speaker 1>because I can I know you and you've talked about it,

0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 1>and you know I feel tightly wound a lot of

0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the times too, even though people would not find that

0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:26.319
<v Speaker 1>hard to believe. I am. You know, I can be

0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:28.680
<v Speaker 1>really stressed out about stuff, and I find a hit

0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 1>of a joint, not a smoking a joint. A cannabis

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:33.920
<v Speaker 1>drink would be good too. I'll send you some leisure

0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Town here.

0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:36.840
<v Speaker 3>So you know what I'd do, though, is I try

0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:39.480
<v Speaker 3>to beat it, like I try to win at it.

0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:43.239
<v Speaker 3>So the moment where you go, wait a minute, did

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:45.000
<v Speaker 3>I did I just go somewhere or no, I'm back?

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:47.400
<v Speaker 3>That makes me like panic?

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know. I can't need to have like less

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:51.279
<v Speaker 1>than two and a half milligrams. You need leisure Town.

0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:53.440
<v Speaker 1>This is a cannabis drink that has two and a

0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:56.400
<v Speaker 1>half milligrams. You have to start with that and it

0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:59.479
<v Speaker 1>just microdose and that's it and that's all you need

0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:01.960
<v Speaker 1>and you will feel it and you won't get crazy

0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:03.440
<v Speaker 1>and you won't go overboard.

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I mean I like tequila.

0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh you do like tequila? Yeah, I liked I loved you.

0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:10.640
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing wrong with drinking. You don't have a drinking problem. Books.

0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:12.560
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to worry about becoming your mother. That's

0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:15.040
<v Speaker 1>already a wrap like You're not that person, right.

0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 3>I do have one question, though this is a different

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:23.680
<v Speaker 3>type of question as a you said you're not an actress,

0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:28.200
<v Speaker 3>but you really your talent and your performance, the level

0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 3>of rejection that is in this industry, Yes, how do

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:38.200
<v Speaker 3>you find the way to say no, I'm I'm really

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:41.160
<v Speaker 3>good and I'm going to keep putting myself out there

0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:43.520
<v Speaker 3>and I'm not going to take it personally. You know,

0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:45.960
<v Speaker 3>when you get doors slammed in your face or you

0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:49.279
<v Speaker 3>don't get so many of these things, what's the thing

0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:53.759
<v Speaker 3>inside you that makes you say no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nope, nope, nope.

0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:55.719
<v Speaker 3>I will not be rejected like this.

0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm a hustler. God, that's me too, And you're always

0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:01.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna hear I've been here this whole time. So you've

0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:04.440
<v Speaker 1>been here for thirty something years forty well for you,

0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:07.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know how many years are fifty seven.

0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:09.400
<v Speaker 3>Because I started when I was eleven months old.

0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:11.399
<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, there you go, And so you've been here

0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:13.399
<v Speaker 1>this whole time, so you're not going anywhere. So fuck

0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:17.360
<v Speaker 1>anybody who says no. Listen, rejection fucking sucks. I've rejected

0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:19.919
<v Speaker 1>all the time too. It hurts, it hurts, it hurts,

0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:22.480
<v Speaker 1>it hurts, But it's not all there is. There's always

0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:24.799
<v Speaker 1>there's acceptance, and there's the one person that says yes,

0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 1>or the one person that gives you the deal or

0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:29.359
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity or the podcast or this or that. And

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:31.800
<v Speaker 1>when you're a hustler, you will always find a way.

0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:33.480
<v Speaker 1>So that's what you are.

0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:36.440
<v Speaker 3>That's the way I've lived my life. And you know,

0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:38.680
<v Speaker 3>people will say to me, oh, you have such a

0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:41.400
<v Speaker 3>varied career. I'm like, why do you think that is?

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:45.319
<v Speaker 3>That's when I'm shut out over here. I'm like, oh, God,

0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:48.800
<v Speaker 3>write a book or you know. And right, it's because

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:52.200
<v Speaker 3>I will not not be creative in some way or another.

0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:55.560
<v Speaker 3>I just I hadn't heard you say it that way.

0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 3>I've always when people say how are you, I say,

0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:03.439
<v Speaker 3>it's all a h no matter what, it's all awesome. Yeah,

0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:05.839
<v Speaker 3>And there's something liberating about that too.

0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:08.440
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you know what. Also, I'm proud of being

0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:11.200
<v Speaker 1>a hustler. I'd love to go that's a fucking great

0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:11.600
<v Speaker 1>way to be.

0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:14.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my mom would be proud of both of us.

0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you Brooks so much. It was such a

0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:19.719
<v Speaker 1>fun time talking to you. Thanks for taking the time

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:20.239
<v Speaker 1>to do this.

0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Thank you. You look like you're in a beautiful, snowy place.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope you're in a special place, whatever that is,

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<v Speaker 3>and enjoying the weather.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I am good, feel better.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. Have a great Thanks you, bruh.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget to watch my special on Netflix. You guys revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a revolution.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you'd like advice from Chelsea, just send us

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<v Speaker 2>an email at Dear Chelsea podcast at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Dear Chelsea is a production of iHeartRadio, executive produced by

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<v Speaker 2>Nick Stuff, produced by Catherine Law, and edited and engineered

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<v Speaker 2>by Brad Dickert.