WEBVTT - #690 Packers Unscripted: Beating the Bears

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my trusted colleague West and Hot Koitz. We are

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<v Speaker 1>coming to you old school. I guess you could say,

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<v Speaker 1>little did I know? When I powered through last Thursday's

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<v Speaker 1>episode with that terrible voice, it was just the start

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<v Speaker 1>of something not good for me to come back into

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<v Speaker 1>the office just yet. So we pulled out the technology

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<v Speaker 1>that helped us out in the past and uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're back on the air, West, and this time it's

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about a Packers victory nineteen over the Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>Bears at Soldier Field. And when you start the discussion

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<v Speaker 1>of this game, it all starts with the fourth quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>because through the first three quarters this game was not

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<v Speaker 1>looking good for Green Bay. No, it wasn't, Mike, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was sitting there, you know, especially when Chicago's driving again,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're kind of thinking, like, man, even if the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers get some answers here, are they going to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to stop them defensively? But in al Lazar talked

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<v Speaker 1>about in the postgame locker room, there were so many

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<v Speaker 1>parallels between this game in the Dallas game last month

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<v Speaker 1>where they actually had the first comeback in the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>quarter into me I mean between the special teams coming

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<v Speaker 1>through with the block field goal, jyr Alexander getting an interception.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he got burned twice on those deep completions.

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<v Speaker 1>He bounces back, responds the way you want to see

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<v Speaker 1>him respond, gets a big pick and the Packers scoring

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<v Speaker 1>points off of that pick, and certainly, you know Christian

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<v Speaker 1>Watson once again doing his heroics late to really put

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<v Speaker 1>this thing on ice for green Bay. All season long,

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<v Speaker 1>like thirteen games, they've been trying to find a complimentary performance.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like in all three phases they found it

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<v Speaker 1>at Soldier Field. Yeah, it finally came together there down

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<v Speaker 1>the stretch, and as you said, the complimentary performance. When

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<v Speaker 1>things started happening green Bay's way in the fourth quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>they kept going that direction. I thought to a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of key turning points in this one for the offense.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, when Christian Watson drew that past interference penalty

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight yards, Packers were down at at that point

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<v Speaker 1>in the game nineteen to ten I believe was the score.

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<v Speaker 1>That thirty eight yard pass interference penalty then set up

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty one yard touchdown run by A. J. Dillon.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly it felt like a brand new game at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>And then on the defensive side, you mentioned Alexander had

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<v Speaker 1>gotten burned for a couple of big plays. The Packers

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<v Speaker 1>also early in the game got burned for a big

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<v Speaker 1>play when Justin Fields ran for a fifty five yard touchdown. Packers,

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<v Speaker 1>they they're giving up too many big plays still, But

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<v Speaker 1>I thought the turning point was the response to the

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<v Speaker 1>big catch by n Kiel Harry down the sideline, which

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<v Speaker 1>was the second time that Alexander had gotten beat deep.

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<v Speaker 1>The defense rose up three plays to force a field goal,

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<v Speaker 1>and then on top of that, Dean Lowry blocks field

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<v Speaker 1>goal to keep the score nineteen to seventeen. There, We've

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<v Speaker 1>seen so many times over the course of the season,

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<v Speaker 1>when the Packers defense has given up a big play,

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<v Speaker 1>it hasn't responded to that well, to that very well,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has almost always led to points and often

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<v Speaker 1>touchdowns for the opponent. That sequence right there, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was was a big step forward in in winning this

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<v Speaker 1>game and completing a comeback that was actually thirteen points

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<v Speaker 1>in the first half when the Packers were down sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>to three. Yeah, They've had some monumental comebacks here. When

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<v Speaker 1>you look at I think last month with the Cowboys,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the first time the Cowboys had lost the

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<v Speaker 1>game in the fourth quarter where they've been up, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're like a hundred fifty and oh by fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>points where they've had that type of lead. The Packers

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<v Speaker 1>came back from it, same thing, and this one, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean there never that's I think the largest comeback the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers have had at Soldier Field against the Bears. So

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<v Speaker 1>it speaks to the mental toughness of that team. But

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<v Speaker 1>you wrote about it in your Monday Morning Insider inbox.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Dean Lowry is really the unsung hero of

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<v Speaker 1>this game one. You know, we could talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>block field goal here in a minute, but Kenny Clark

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<v Speaker 1>was the one to point this out in the postgame

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<v Speaker 1>locker room. I thought it was worth mentioning because so

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<v Speaker 1>many eyes were on Equinomius st Brown catching that fifty

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<v Speaker 1>six yard against Jerr Alexander. But on that play, seconds

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<v Speaker 1>milliseconds before Fields throws a ball, Dean Lowry lays him out,

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<v Speaker 1>gets a really nice hit on him. And after that

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<v Speaker 1>first quarter where they gave up seventy one rushing yards

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<v Speaker 1>to Justin Fields. Luke getsy Fields. They were not running

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<v Speaker 1>him anymore after that. They asked him to be more

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<v Speaker 1>of a pocket type quarterback. That allowed the Packers to

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<v Speaker 1>hone in a little bit on David Montgomery and other

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<v Speaker 1>than that explosive in the second half to Harry Really,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that for the most part, the defense played

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<v Speaker 1>really well. Getting back to that field goal, though, my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>if the Bears get points there, if they go up

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<v Speaker 1>by five at that point, Green Bay Packers, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>in a position that in Mason Crosby thirty two yard

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<v Speaker 1>or is gonna put down. Then you know, the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>get into scoring territory, they're gonna go for it. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna kick a field goal at that stage if

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<v Speaker 1>you're down by points. And in terms of the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>needing to find some type of answer, needing a phase

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<v Speaker 1>like special teams to really pick them up, uh, it

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<v Speaker 1>was incredibly required. Because yes, you had the force fumble

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<v Speaker 1>early on from Mussul Douglas, you had it recovered by

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<v Speaker 1>Rudy Ford. The Packers weren't able to get points off

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<v Speaker 1>of that drive. At the end of that game, Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay when I talked about complimentary football, not only did

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<v Speaker 1>they create takeaways, not only did they make big plays

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<v Speaker 1>and phases where you're not necessarily going into a game

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<v Speaker 1>expecting a Dean Lowery block. It's what the Packers did

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<v Speaker 1>after those plays. It has been the kind of rabbit

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<v Speaker 1>they've been chasing all season, and from that regard, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was probably the most encouraging thing about this performance.

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<v Speaker 1>The Packers at four and eight going into this game,

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<v Speaker 1>really looking up at a lot of different teams here.

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<v Speaker 1>They could have packed it in going into that the

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<v Speaker 1>end of that third quarter, and instead they came together. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well in a big moment obviously at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the first half as well, with the Packers getting into

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<v Speaker 1>scoring position. Score is sixteen to three. It's fourth and

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<v Speaker 1>four from Chicago's fourteen yard line. I'll be honest, West,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said it in the live blog. I'm kicking

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<v Speaker 1>the field goal there. It's still the first half, sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>to six. Just go in at halftime down by ten.

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<v Speaker 1>You got plenty of time to come back against this

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<v Speaker 1>Bears defense. Matt Floor was having none of it. He's

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<v Speaker 1>like he felt like the Packers are gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>score a lot of points to win this game. Settling

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<v Speaker 1>for a field goal there, he didn't like it. He

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<v Speaker 1>went for the touchdown. Gutsy bold call and a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a scramble drill, and guests, who's on the

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<v Speaker 1>same page with Aaron Rodgers on a scrambled drill there

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<v Speaker 1>the rookie second round pick Christian Watson a fourteen yard touchdown.

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<v Speaker 1>Huge risk there, because if you don't get the touchdown

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<v Speaker 1>and you going at halftime down sixteen to three, you're

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<v Speaker 1>really not feeling good about this game. But that was

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<v Speaker 1>such a huge lift for the Packers. I know when

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<v Speaker 1>we're at the games, you know, we don't get to

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<v Speaker 1>go into the locker room at halftime, but I can

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<v Speaker 1>only imagine there was a certain amount of energy in

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<v Speaker 1>that locker room at halftime, even though the Packers were

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<v Speaker 1>down by six. It it felt different even at that point. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and to add a little bit more context to to

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<v Speaker 1>to your comment about kicking the field goal, why that

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<v Speaker 1>also would have seemed possibly like a prudent decision. They

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<v Speaker 1>just lost a yard with Aaron Jones the play before

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<v Speaker 1>that when they tried to run it. My guess is

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<v Speaker 1>when they ran the ball, they're thinking okay, well, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>either get the first down or we'll get close to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we're in another position. At fourth and four. You

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<v Speaker 1>basically have to pass the football. And for Christian Watson,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we hear the term plaster you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about defensive backs extended plays. The counter to that

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<v Speaker 1>is you have to plaster on your man. Christian Watson,

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<v Speaker 1>with his size and his speed. That is not an

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<v Speaker 1>easy assignment for anybody. And when the Packers are sending

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<v Speaker 1>him on these deep crossers. I wrote about it last week, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>it is the ultimate weapon right now for this offense

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not just your typical slam, it's not typically

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<v Speaker 1>your drag round. It is him taking that thing up field.

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<v Speaker 1>And once again, is he's catching those balls, getting more confidence,

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<v Speaker 1>more and more dangerous. The rookie becomes yeah, well, and

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned earlier to Dean Lowry, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the unsung hero with with the block field goal. Other

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<v Speaker 1>unsung heroes in this game, Zach Tom the rookie steps

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<v Speaker 1>in at left tackle for David Baktieri, who um had

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<v Speaker 1>an emergency appendectomy on Friday. Um, I know a little

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<v Speaker 1>something about that, by the way, Um, But um so

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<v Speaker 1>Bat couldn't play this time, unlike the Washington game, which

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers made the decision to go with Tom at

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<v Speaker 1>left tackle right before the game because Bat's knee wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>feeling well. At least Tom got one day of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>full day of practice on Friday as the number one

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<v Speaker 1>left tackle, was able to prepare mentally and everything else

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<v Speaker 1>that goes into getting ready for the game. The Bears

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the best pass rush. You know, Robert Quinn

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<v Speaker 1>was traded, Rokuan Smith was traded, Jack Sandborn, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the the undrafted linebacker round Wisconsin. He's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a terrific player. He already is a player. But in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the front four for the Bears in the

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<v Speaker 1>pass rush get after the quarterback, they weren't able to

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<v Speaker 1>do a whole lot of it. Um Zach, Tom really

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<v Speaker 1>really held up well. It was the type of performance

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<v Speaker 1>from the offensive line that that the Packers certainly needed

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<v Speaker 1>with Aaron Rodgers dealing with the with the sore ribs

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. So shout out to Tom there. We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you know exactly if for when David Bactieri might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to come back. Um, you know, it's very uncertain

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<v Speaker 1>at this point recovering from an emergency surgery like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the other thing you have to point out

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<v Speaker 1>to Sammy Watkins, things haven't gone as well as anybody

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<v Speaker 1>would have hoped for. Watkins coming in as a free

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<v Speaker 1>agent and you know, being a veteran presence and hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, ease this transition to the to the

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<v Speaker 1>post Davante Adams receiving corps. But Sammy Watkins through two

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<v Speaker 1>really really crucial blocks in this game. One on a J.

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<v Speaker 1>Dillon's touchdown run which was off of faking the jet

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<v Speaker 1>sweep and Dylan going the other way, and then on

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<v Speaker 1>the forty six yard jet sweep run by Christian Watson

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<v Speaker 1>to seal the game, Sammy Watkins throws really the only

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<v Speaker 1>block that that Watson needed because nobody else for the

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<v Speaker 1>Bears was anywhere close to him. The whole side of

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<v Speaker 1>the field was wide open um and uh so wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to wanted to shout out Sammy Watkins as well. It's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool to see him throw the block and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and put the number one the fist up in the

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<v Speaker 1>air right away after that, because he knew as well

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<v Speaker 1>as anybody else who was in that stadium that that

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<v Speaker 1>was a touchdown as soon as that block was thrown. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was my favorite takeaway is that that image of

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Watson, you know, extending down the field and and

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<v Speaker 1>you see you know, Watkins in the background there, uh, celebrating.

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<v Speaker 1>I also got to give a shout out to Sammy

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<v Speaker 1>Watkins because on Friday, Mike, you might have remembered this

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<v Speaker 1>back when you were uh, you know, having some younger

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<v Speaker 1>kids around the household. It was the Packers holiday family

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas party and uh, my son, You've had a chance

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<v Speaker 1>that I think meet him now a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>He Uh, he's the most extroverted little four year old

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever met. And uh we were at the crafts

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<v Speaker 1>table while we were waiting to meet Santa Claus and

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<v Speaker 1>Sammy and his family came up and his daughter's beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>young family. You know, they were at the crafts table. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>my son because again being the most extroverted probably person

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<v Speaker 1>in the entire family, uh, quickly made friends with Sammy,

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to share pens with him and everything. And

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<v Speaker 1>kudos to Sammy, a true pro handled that very well,

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<v Speaker 1>was very nice with my son, and to see him

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<v Speaker 1>succeed in that way. I mean the Packers this season, Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>They went into the year talking about when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to blocking receivers, Alan Lazard and Sammy Watkins are two

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<v Speaker 1>of the best in the business. And to see that

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<v Speaker 1>area of the game come through for them, because it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just that play for Watson. Over in the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the locker room, A J. Dillon talked about

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<v Speaker 1>his touchdown run. Watkins was blocking on that as well,

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<v Speaker 1>helping kind of a crackback not crackback block, but sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the seal block with Zach Tom to spring Dylan

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<v Speaker 1>to the end zone. The Packers have been so good

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<v Speaker 1>at that. When we talked earlier this season about running

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<v Speaker 1>the football, it wasn't just well they can't throw it,

0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.600
<v Speaker 1>they have to run it. It was how they built

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<v Speaker 1>the offense to run the football. And this game, especially

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<v Speaker 1>with Aaron Jones and my goodness that the next time

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers play a Soldier field, I I might just

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<v Speaker 1>have Aaron is a healthy scratch. It's just there's something

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<v Speaker 1>about that field where he just always seems to have

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<v Speaker 1>some type of thing that pops up. But when they

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<v Speaker 1>when they went to A J. Dillon in this game,

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<v Speaker 1>Dylan responded the right way, and I loved Aaron's quote

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<v Speaker 1>afterwards about it, when he's asked about being you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Dylan kind of taking the lead at the backfield, he said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>when a dog is being a dog, you gotta let

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<v Speaker 1>the dog be the dog. And and and certainly Dylan,

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<v Speaker 1>you could tell how much that meant to him. This newly,

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<v Speaker 1>as we found out expected father Um being able to

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<v Speaker 1>do that little celebration as well with the rock and

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<v Speaker 1>the baby, So positive signs all around. Unfortunately for the Packers,

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<v Speaker 1>as we know, Mike, they've dug themselves into a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of this hole. But I thought the way that

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<v Speaker 1>they back when they could have easily folded Um definitely

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<v Speaker 1>spoke volumes about this football team. Yeah, and for those

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<v Speaker 1>who like to dig into the film clips and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of self promotion here the Christian Watson

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<v Speaker 1>jet sweep forty six yard touchdown on the fourth quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>I went through the game film my what you might

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<v Speaker 1>have missed. It's up on Packers dot com. You can

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<v Speaker 1>go through all the clips. It was the eighth time

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<v Speaker 1>in the game that the Packers ran Watson in motion

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<v Speaker 1>all the way across the formation, and the first seven

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<v Speaker 1>they ran all kinds of other plays. There were pitches

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<v Speaker 1>this way, pitches that way, play action, passed, straight, drop

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<v Speaker 1>back past, all kinds of stuff. Of course, the first

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<v Speaker 1>seven times Watson did not get the ball. The eighth

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<v Speaker 1>time he did. If you go and look at the

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<v Speaker 1>plays six, I would say five of the first seven

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<v Speaker 1>were very successful plays anyway, and then obviously the big

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<v Speaker 1>the kill shot at the end with Watson. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>fun film to go through. It's it's cool to look at,

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<v Speaker 1>so be sure to check that out. And if I

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<v Speaker 1>may be sure to check that out, it's great, great

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<v Speaker 1>stuff from Michael. But you know the thing about Soldier

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<v Speaker 1>Field is we are in a corner of the end

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<v Speaker 1>zone over there, and there aren't always great imagery of

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<v Speaker 1>the on field action that play and also the touchdown

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<v Speaker 1>pass both actually where we had great vantage points on.

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<v Speaker 1>What was so astonishing about that is you could see

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago try to react to what Green Bay was doing

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<v Speaker 1>and they bit hard on the run. But I also

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<v Speaker 1>bit hard on the run. And it wasn't until Christian

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<v Speaker 1>Watson is steps away from the sideline did I realize

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<v Speaker 1>he had the football. And at that point, Mike, you

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<v Speaker 1>watched the film you broke it down. There's a few

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<v Speaker 1>people even standing close to him the rest of the way.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the interesting about him. There's nobody close

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<v Speaker 1>to him when you when you watch it, it's when

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<v Speaker 1>you watch it, it's pretty remarkable. And you see, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and the A J. Dillon touchdown round that we've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, that was another one to where where Watson

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<v Speaker 1>is on the jet sweeping that Uh. You know, that

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<v Speaker 1>action pulls a couple of guys, you know, makes it

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<v Speaker 1>just even if the guys don't move necessarily, but it

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<v Speaker 1>can make them hesitate. It's to you know, to their

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<v Speaker 1>reaction to where the ball is actually going. And and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that hesitation allowed A. J. Dillon to get through there

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<v Speaker 1>with those good blocks by Tom and Watkins to to

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<v Speaker 1>create that lane. So um, it's a it's really it's

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<v Speaker 1>really fun film to watch. It was. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>good one to go through packers now five and eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously the idea is to try to win out, to

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<v Speaker 1>try to get above five hundred. You see where other

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<v Speaker 1>in Week thirteen, a lot of interesting things to touch on. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The Giants and the Commanders played to an overtime tie

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<v Speaker 1>in the first of their two games this season. That

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<v Speaker 1>could be very interesting here if the Packers do get

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<v Speaker 1>on a run. I don't want to get into it

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<v Speaker 1>too much yet, but if the Packers get on a run,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be talking about that. That Giants and Commanders tie.

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<v Speaker 1>The Vikings pull out another close one, holding off the

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<v Speaker 1>Jets at the goal line a couple of times down

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<v Speaker 1>the stretch. Minnesota gets a win. They're holding off a

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<v Speaker 1>big Jets come back. A couple of questions I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you. The forty Niners get a big win

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<v Speaker 1>over the Miami Dolphins, but they lose Jimmy Garoppolo. They

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<v Speaker 1>are now down to Brock Purty as a third string

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback to try to lead what I think is a

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<v Speaker 1>really really good forty Niners team. Um, where do you

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<v Speaker 1>see things going for the forty Niners from year? And

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<v Speaker 1>then my other question for you is do the Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals somehow have the Kansas City Chiefs number? They've beating

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<v Speaker 1>him three times in a row? Now, who's beating Patrick

0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Mahomes three times in a row? Yeah? I don't know.

0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow has like right look out, I mean wow? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>First and foremost, Um, brock Purty did everything he needed

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<v Speaker 1>to do to manage that football game once he went in,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's not going to get help. He's the man now. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>My biggest takeaway from that game, though, it isn't gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be about brock Purty. I think San Francisco's playoff hopes

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<v Speaker 1>is going to go back to the guy that they

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<v Speaker 1>sort of wagered their season on, which is Christian McCaffrey.

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<v Speaker 1>McCaffrey is a versatile, dynamic playmaker, but he hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>the same running back out of the backfield this season.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna need more from him in that area and

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be key to their hopes because if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have your number two or number three quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>what did the Packers learn, you know back in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand thirteen, you better have a really good running back

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<v Speaker 1>and you better have a really good offensive line. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where San Francisco's hopes and fortunes are going to lie.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as the rest of this week kind of

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<v Speaker 1>shuffled out, um, I thought New York and Washington tying

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<v Speaker 1>was just the perfect sort of um culmination of just

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<v Speaker 1>what that division has been this year and just the

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<v Speaker 1>the insanity of it all, I mean, um, and from

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<v Speaker 1>Washington's perspective, that tie really hurt them and that they

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<v Speaker 1>fell behind Seattle. Now because of Seattle's come back over

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<v Speaker 1>the Rams. Seattle now is that number seven seed in

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<v Speaker 1>this playoffs hunt. So I really tying it into where

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers are at if I may really quickly Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Goodkin's talk to the media on Monday, as did Matt Lafleur,

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<v Speaker 1>and Packers have four games to go and the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing they can worry about is winning, but seeing how

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<v Speaker 1>the East shuffles out, seeing about whether or not San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco can weather Garoppolo's you know absence and you know

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<v Speaker 1>can seattle rally for all of its flaws around Gino Smith. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is such an intriguingly high stakes here in the NFC, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>because I I've said it once, I've said it a

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<v Speaker 1>million times. I think any of these seven teams that

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<v Speaker 1>make the playoffs have a chance. The Detroit Lions this week, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>going into this upcoming week, are actually favored right now

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<v Speaker 1>over the Minnesota Vikings, the number two seed um as

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<v Speaker 1>that game will be played at at Ford Field, so

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<v Speaker 1>they're obviously getting the home advantage. But the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>that's even our consideration right now, with the Lions being

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<v Speaker 1>on the outside looking in with Green Bay, I think

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<v Speaker 1>speaks volumes about how this this conference and and things

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<v Speaker 1>have shuffled out. Yeah, well this weekend, that that Lions

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<v Speaker 1>game at Ford Field in Detroit against Minnesota. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>for right now, you call that the biggest game of

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<v Speaker 1>the Dan Campbell era to this point, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>because really for the for the Lions, it's it's are

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<v Speaker 1>they going to stay in the playoff race down the

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<v Speaker 1>stretch and give themselves a chance and put people on

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<v Speaker 1>notice potentially by beating a two lost Minnesota team that

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<v Speaker 1>has that's won so many clothe schemes here along the way,

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<v Speaker 1>or are the Lions not quite there yet? And uh

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<v Speaker 1>and and they're going to They're going to fade down

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<v Speaker 1>the stretch. There's a lot of a lot of excitement.

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<v Speaker 1>They were fired up in Detroit for that Thanksgiving game

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<v Speaker 1>against Buffalo and they took a really good Buffalo Bills

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<v Speaker 1>team all the way to the wire before losing. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that game on I think that game on Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>against the Vikings is gonna be a full sixty minute

0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:28.400
<v Speaker 1>battle against against Dan Campbell's boys there. And oh, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, and for all the random games

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<v Speaker 1>that the Vikings have won this season, this would be

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<v Speaker 1>a good time for Minnesota to finally, you know, pull

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<v Speaker 1>a rabbit out of its hat that actually benefits the Packers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's gonna be the other thing too. I mean their

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<v Speaker 1>ten and two and they've won all these one score games,

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<v Speaker 1>They've had all these type of weird comebacks, and it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well now this week, go into Ford Field and actually

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<v Speaker 1>take care of business. Yeah, one other thing I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you before we go, Um, the Las Vegas Raiders.

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<v Speaker 1>They have suddenly gone from two and seven to five

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<v Speaker 1>and seven with two overtime victories and then another down

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<v Speaker 1>to the wire victory over a division rival in the Chargers.

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<v Speaker 1>Davante Adams is absolutely going off statistically. His numbers are

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<v Speaker 1>are are going off the charts. Are the Raiders just

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<v Speaker 1>maybe put you know, putting some teams on notice in

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<v Speaker 1>the a f C that that just like last year

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<v Speaker 1>when Rich Pisaccio was their interim coach down the stretch

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<v Speaker 1>and they made a run for a playoffs s part.

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<v Speaker 1>Are the Raiders doing this again? Yeah? I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if this one is about the win one for the McDaniels,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was that line that came out during the

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<v Speaker 1>heart of their their dull drums about you know, potentially

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<v Speaker 1>could Derek Carr be cut at the end of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there, you know, considerations are gonna have to make.

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<v Speaker 1>Davontae Adams knows what he's saying, and he knows how

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<v Speaker 1>to play football, And I really thought, you know, him

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<v Speaker 1>reiterating again that I'm here because of Derek Carr, speaks

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<v Speaker 1>volumes about you know, the motivation and the feelings that

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<v Speaker 1>those two guys you know, have for each other in

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<v Speaker 1>mutual respect. There. Um, they don't want this to be

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<v Speaker 1>a one and done type arrangement. They wanted this to

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<v Speaker 1>be something that propels you know, Davante do a potentially

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<v Speaker 1>a Hall of Fame career and hopefully, in the Raider's sake,

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<v Speaker 1>a super Bowl type run. That has not happened this season,

0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:19.440
<v Speaker 1>but they did pull themselves back into it. The challenge

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<v Speaker 1>for the Raiders, though, is going to be I honestly

0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:25.680
<v Speaker 1>believe the talent element of this. They have some good

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<v Speaker 1>offensive skill position players. They have you know, Max Crosby

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<v Speaker 1>on defense, but Chandler Jones, you know, largely underperformed this

0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:36.359
<v Speaker 1>season and there's been a dearth of depth at other positions.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, but in the game of you know, looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the a f C, you know, the Jets right

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<v Speaker 1>now are sitting at seven and there seven and five,

0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:47.560
<v Speaker 1>the Raiders are five and seven. Um, there's plenty of

0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:50.199
<v Speaker 1>teams still looking to get through the back door in

0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.320
<v Speaker 1>that conference. Yeah, I think it's uh, it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating down the stretch and uh in both conferences. And hey,

0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.199
<v Speaker 1>if the Packers can can keep winning and winning and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and stringing some some victories together. It could get

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<v Speaker 1>even more interesting here in Green Bay. Hey, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>put you on the spot too, how old old Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Brady b when he retires? Uh? Is there a five?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it start with a five? Yeah? No, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it starts with a five? But I mean how

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<v Speaker 1>how long? I mean, was it wasn't George Blanda still

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<v Speaker 1>kicking field goals at like something like yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>who knows, right? I mean, boy, um, pretty pretty remarkable though.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually didn't realize until seeing the statistics after the

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<v Speaker 1>game that the only time in his career previously that

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Brady had come back from thirteen or more down

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<v Speaker 1>in the fourth quarter was the Super Bowl against the

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<v Speaker 1>Falcons when they had when they had that really big deficit.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, He's obviously pulled up plenty of comebacks that

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<v Speaker 1>were fewer than thirteen points, but um, but that one,

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<v Speaker 1>and boy, what a um what a kick in the

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<v Speaker 1>gut of the New Orleans Saints to play the way

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<v Speaker 1>they did on the road, you know, prime time added

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<v Speaker 1>division rival for fifty five minutes and then and then

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<v Speaker 1>to have it to have it just unraveled like that

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<v Speaker 1>on both sides of the ball. Um just a just

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<v Speaker 1>a tough one there. Um. And and I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think Dennis Allen after the game said, you know, it stinks,

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<v Speaker 1>it sucks. It's this, it's that. I mean, what else

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<v Speaker 1>is he gonna say? Right? I mean that was that

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<v Speaker 1>was a gut punch because as much of a train

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<v Speaker 1>wreck as this, you know, see the Saints offense has

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<v Speaker 1>been this year, and the litany of injuries they've had defensively,

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<v Speaker 1>that's been their calling card into to lose that game,

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<v Speaker 1>uh five minutes to go and to see that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of comeback, that's that's incredibly demoralizing in a division where

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<v Speaker 1>if you win that thing, you're a half game, your

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<v Speaker 1>game out or whatever it is. I mean, if if

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<v Speaker 1>the Saint the Saints are looking like, hey, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>win a big division game on the road, and they'll

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<v Speaker 1>they'll be they'll be five and eight and right in

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<v Speaker 1>the thick of the division hunt because of because of

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<v Speaker 1>what they would have just done to the Buck in years.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that that the way that game flipped in

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<v Speaker 1>the last five minutes um huge implications for that, for that,

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<v Speaker 1>for that entire division, the Saints. The Saints could have,

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<v Speaker 1>The Saints could have kept that whole division in the

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<v Speaker 1>division race essentially if they had, if they had hung

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<v Speaker 1>onto that one. But um, but yeah, the Buccaneers, the

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<v Speaker 1>Buccaneers pull it out. It certainly looks like Tampa Bay

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<v Speaker 1>will be back in the playoffs and they will get

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<v Speaker 1>a home game as a as a division champ against uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, most likely the whoever the number five seed is,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be the top wild card. So we could

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<v Speaker 1>end up you know, I mean, if you looked at

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<v Speaker 1>it right now, the top wild card would be the

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Cowboys, right, so you'd have Tom Brady against Mike

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<v Speaker 1>McCarthy in the first round of the playoffs. But um,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyway, we could spend the rest of the day

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<v Speaker 1>talking about all of those scenarios, but we will let

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<v Speaker 1>our producers go so they can put the final cut

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<v Speaker 1>on this show and UH and get it get it

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<v Speaker 1>out to the masses. So with that, we'll call it

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<v Speaker 1>a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscript. You'd be

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<v Speaker 1>sure to follow all of our coverage of the team

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<v Speaker 1>through the bye week into next week leading up to

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<v Speaker 1>Monday Night football against the Rams. We will have it

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<v Speaker 1>all for you on Packers dot Com for wes I

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<v Speaker 1>am Mike, thank you for tuning in. Everybody, We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you next time.