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Speaker 1: child of Kim Bay Singer and Alec Baldwin. Do you
Speaker 1: remember your first anxiety attack? And then when I was
Speaker 1: a kid? It was really based around his divorce Willow
Speaker 1: One on one with Ireland, I just hit a total
Speaker 1: breaking point. I didn't talk to my parents for like
Speaker 1: a year. I think I would have committed suicide. Then,
Speaker 1: for the first time in fourteen years, her mom Oscar
Speaker 1: winner Kim Bay Singer opens up about her severe panic attacks.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't leave the house, I would no longer go
Speaker 1: to dinner. I had to relearn to drive. How did
Speaker 1: you feel when you saw that Ireland was all self suffering?
Speaker 1: An important conversation that affects millions. Oh, j you you
Speaker 1: have no idea. Hi, thank you for having me. I'm
Speaker 1: nice to see you. Nice to you. How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good? I'm pretty good. Yeah right, We we
Speaker 1: can get it. We can get a little comfy I'm
Speaker 1: just so happy we're here about this. Two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty four million people around the world experience some form
Speaker 1: of anxiety or panic attacks. I know that, including me,
Speaker 1: most everybody that I know has um struggled with some
Speaker 1: kind of anxiety or panic. It doesn't come down to
Speaker 1: getting really expensive therapy. It's just about having conversations like
Speaker 1: this and letting it out. I just think it's super
Speaker 1: important to just talk about it. And I want to
Speaker 1: ask you, like, what was your first time experiencing anxiety
Speaker 1: or panic attacks. I didn't really want to call it
Speaker 1: anxiety for a long time because I think it kind
Speaker 1: of makes you feel weak. It makes you feel like
Speaker 1: you're put in a box. So it's I think I've
Speaker 1: had it my whole life, since I was a kid.
Speaker 1: I just don't think I was comfortable calling it what
Speaker 1: it was. I just I felt so ashamed of it,
Speaker 1: you know, I just didn't and I didn't really understand
Speaker 1: like what was happening to me. Yeah, I definitely relate
Speaker 1: to not wanting to call it anxiety or not even
Speaker 1: like knowing that it's anxiety. Yeah, I feel like when
Speaker 1: I was growing up, I was always told I was
Speaker 1: like being a brat, or like being ungrateful, or like
Speaker 1: having a fit, when in reality, I was kind of
Speaker 1: dealing with a deeper emotional issue. Do you remember your
Speaker 1: first anxiety attack when my parents were getting divorced? That
Speaker 1: was really when Ireland was just a toddler. When her
Speaker 1: parents split, A year's long, bitter, very public custody battle followed.
Speaker 1: When she was eleven, a devastating voicemail from her father
Speaker 1: to her was leaked to the press. The worldwide coverage
Speaker 1: was inescapable. I think for any child, divorce is traumatic,
Speaker 1: extremely traumatic, and I don't think most people can imagine
Speaker 1: how it must feel to have that trauma broadcast or
Speaker 1: everything that happen we want to see everyone can read
Speaker 1: about it. I can remember playing with friends, I'm at playdates,
Speaker 1: I'm in school, I'm staying at friends houses. I'm like
Speaker 1: hidden from the realities of it all. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you get older, when you have access to the internet,
Speaker 1: when you have friends in school, older kids, you know
Speaker 1: coming to you and asking you, oh, well is this true,
Speaker 1: or that it starts to manifest. And I think the
Speaker 1: other point I'll make that you and I share is
Speaker 1: always trying to have to individualize That's a big one.
Speaker 1: My anxiety is so deep and rooted in that having
Speaker 1: to be being your own person, making sure that people
Speaker 1: respect you for who you actually are, not just for
Speaker 1: who your mother is or your father is, or what
Speaker 1: they think you should do. Coming to terms with that
Speaker 1: and being like, Okay, well, I guess you know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna model for an hour. I guess I'm gonna act,
Speaker 1: or I guess I'm gonna do this because this is
Speaker 1: what people expect of me. You have a lot more
Speaker 1: to prove because you're always going to have that comparison
Speaker 1: to your parents. I don't think I ever would have
Speaker 1: been scouted as a model if it weren't for who
Speaker 1: my parents are. Nothing makes me want to peel my
Speaker 1: fingernails off more than doing like a basing her Baldwin
Speaker 1: spread and a you know magazine and then facing the
Speaker 1: criticism and the comparisons and then that anxiety for me
Speaker 1: is like extremely toxic. Since Ireland's first modeling job at seventeen,
Speaker 1: she's had to face comparisons to her mother. She's been
Speaker 1: a target of critics and on social media, often getting
Speaker 1: vicious comments on her appearance and wait, I know I've
Speaker 1: struggled a lot with body image, Like even still today,
Speaker 1: do you think that coming into modeling that whole world
Speaker 1: just sparked a little bit more of that anxiety just
Speaker 1: through a different perspective. He ruined my brain? Wow, I
Speaker 1: had already had so many body issues, eating disorders, all
Speaker 1: that stuff that I had before I even got into modeling.
Speaker 1: At the beginning of my modeling career, I was like,
Speaker 1: why am I even doing this? Totally? Like you just
Speaker 1: kind of just felt like you needed to do it
Speaker 1: or that was like I remember, keenly, like when I
Speaker 1: first started really going hard with the modeling and working
Speaker 1: a lot, I would travel and go on these trips
Speaker 1: to work and like wake up the next day and
Speaker 1: just be physically sick. Yeah. I remember one specific time
Speaker 1: I had to get myself out of the hotel room
Speaker 1: like all of my might because every five minutes I
Speaker 1: was thrown up. Yeah, I know the exact feeling. I
Speaker 1: was going to be the model actress that people wanted
Speaker 1: me to be, you know, But I would go to
Speaker 1: these big events and I'd be like, what am I
Speaker 1: here even promoting? Why am I here? Totally? The top
Speaker 1: five worst panic attacks I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 1: I had at this Harper's Bizarre dinner and I literally
Speaker 1: had to go outside and rip my dress off. It
Speaker 1: was like so tight. Took my necklace off, and I
Speaker 1: was I was gonna I was dry heaving st in
Speaker 1: New York, like throwing up full. You know, these emotions
Speaker 1: take a toll physically, and they love to come out
Speaker 1: at the most inconvenient times ever, like I need to work,
Speaker 1: Please don't do this to me. I suffer from cardiophobia,
Speaker 1: and you're like, what, don't know what that is? I
Speaker 1: didn't know either until I did a lot of research
Speaker 1: for a very long time. I have a fear of
Speaker 1: my own heartbeat. So when it starts getting really fast,
Speaker 1: even when I'm nervous, even slightly nervous, or if I
Speaker 1: exercise or anything, I start panicking to the point where
Speaker 1: I'm convinced, no matter what anyone says, that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have a heart attack. And I had to go to
Speaker 1: a hospital. So I've had me over twenty hospital visits
Speaker 1: in my life for a doctor to basically come in
Speaker 1: and tell me that my heart's fine and my health
Speaker 1: is great, and that would be this huge release for me,
Speaker 1: this comfort seeing an e k G monitor tell me
Speaker 1: that my heart's okay. I've had paramedics come to my house.
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, you don't understand it's happening. This time,
Speaker 1: I'm dying. I've had the same paramedics come to my
Speaker 1: house a few times and they're like, here we go
Speaker 1: again with the girl at the fake heart attack. You know,
Speaker 1: but it's so crippling because everyone kind of looks at
Speaker 1: you like you're young and fit and healthy. You're fine,
Speaker 1: You're fine, but you're fine. I want to like dack
Speaker 1: people in the face that tell me I'm fine, you know,
Speaker 1: or to breathe. Do you think that there were any
Speaker 1: specific experiences that you had that made you focus on
Speaker 1: your heart in particular. I saw someone have a heart
Speaker 1: attack when I was a kid. It was a stranger
Speaker 1: in a restaurant, and that messed me up. I think
Speaker 1: that image never left my head ever. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: That's a traumatic experience and that stays with you. Was
Speaker 1: there ever a mental health conversation in your house when
Speaker 1: you were growing up? My mom struggles with anxiety and
Speaker 1: she's definitely my go to my person, so she's so
Speaker 1: she's who I call when I'm panicking. When I'm having
Speaker 1: an anxiety attack or and when it's starting to build up,
Speaker 1: I just I know to call my mom. But she's tough,
Speaker 1: so she's just kind of like, go to work, make money,
Speaker 1: dear thing, who cares about any of this? Save up
Speaker 1: In some way, I feel like that strong kind of
Speaker 1: attitude is amazing in some points, but sometimes you need
Speaker 1: to go to that soft place and be like, I'm human.
Speaker 1: You want to be helped? Yeah, like I'm human, I'm hurt.
Speaker 1: My mom is one of the strongest people. She's so
Speaker 1: unapologetically herself. She really could give less of a you
Speaker 1: know what what people think of her. And I envy
Speaker 1: that in her more than anything, because I care so
Speaker 1: much what people think, you know, and I'm such a
Speaker 1: people pleaser. And with her she manages the energy vampires
Speaker 1: and blood suckers very well because she's like okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then she goes home. It's like, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, only she manages. How does your mother help
Speaker 1: you manage? It? Was rough. I feel like when I
Speaker 1: was growing up, she didn't understand my anxiety because she
Speaker 1: growing up had seen her friends die, like she had
Speaker 1: been through so much stuff that like my issues to
Speaker 1: her kind of felt like smaller, and that was very
Speaker 1: frustrating for me as a child, of course, because I
Speaker 1: was like, how can you not see my internal emotional struggle?
Speaker 1: But like really recently, she we had a talk and
Speaker 1: she was like, I never knew that I actually experienced anxiety,
Speaker 1: and she was pushing it down and pushing it down
Speaker 1: for so many years, like she had no idea. So
Speaker 1: I kind of had to forgive her a little bit, yeah,
Speaker 1: for like being like, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, I get it,
Speaker 1: but like it's really not that bad, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, but it's very real to you. Your
Speaker 1: experience is real to you. I've been through so much
Speaker 1: before I really got help, I was in a really
Speaker 1: abusive relationship and I did go to a treatment center.
Speaker 1: So I've been through a lot of different kinds of abuse.
Speaker 1: I have been in physical, abusive relationships, and for so
Speaker 1: long I didn't want to call just like I didn't
Speaker 1: want to call my anxiety anxiety, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: call the forms of abuse I had been through in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. And here's the other thing. I
Speaker 1: had been abusive to people unknowingly because I'm not hitting
Speaker 1: them or I'm not you know being getting physical, but
Speaker 1: there were there was a lot of learning I had
Speaker 1: to do and a lot of acceptance of okay, wait,
Speaker 1: that was abusive behavior. I was an abuser towards someone else.
Speaker 1: But at that time I just hit a total breaking
Speaker 1: point and I was self medicating with xan X, and
Speaker 1: I was drinking, and I have a lot of alcoholism
Speaker 1: and drug addiction to my family. I had a night
Speaker 1: where I went way too far with drinking and taking
Speaker 1: pills because I couldn't even go to bed at night.
Speaker 1: I was so afraid of this relationship. And when I
Speaker 1: went to this drug and alcohol treatment center, I learned
Speaker 1: that I didn't have an addiction to a substance, but
Speaker 1: I have an addiction to wanting to fix people. That's
Speaker 1: my addiction. I'd fixate on anything until it shatters my
Speaker 1: everything around me. That relationship brought a lot of really
Speaker 1: shady people in my life, and um I had isolated
Speaker 1: all of my real friends, isolated my family. I had
Speaker 1: no control in anything in my life. I tortured myself
Speaker 1: with my eating disorders that I had. I didn't talk
Speaker 1: to my parents for like a year, like I saw
Speaker 1: them here and there, But I was so ashamed of
Speaker 1: of what I had become and how I was living,
Speaker 1: and like I just became this different person. I was
Speaker 1: this like emaciated in every way. I was lifeless. But
Speaker 1: I don't mean in like a you know, literal skinny way,
Speaker 1: but just like my soul, soul everything was just shrunk,
Speaker 1: you know. And family wise, you know, my cousin, Haley
Speaker 1: Haley's older sister is like my sister. I love Haley
Speaker 1: Haley's like my sister too. But Aliah love Aliah. Well,
Speaker 1: she was the one who booked a ticket from New
Speaker 1: York came to l A to see me. She was like,
Speaker 1: something's up. You know, I sent something. When she saved
Speaker 1: my life. You know, I think I would have committed
Speaker 1: suicide or I would have been dead for sure. I
Speaker 1: was so close and like I was so close I
Speaker 1: could feel it to getting to that point, and she
Speaker 1: said my life. She pulled me out of it. Wow.
Speaker 1: I feel like people like that are so important totally.
Speaker 1: How can a loved one, boyfriend, girlfriend, or just friend
Speaker 1: help a person going through a panic attack in the moment? Okay,
Speaker 1: So I love this question because I've had friends. I've
Speaker 1: had boyfriends who just had no clue how to manage
Speaker 1: my anxiety, and it would make me ten times more
Speaker 1: anxious because they didn't understand or they were very dismissive.
Speaker 1: I think the most important thing. I'm going to use
Speaker 1: my now boyfriend as an example or my mom. If
Speaker 1: I tell them I want to go to a hospital,
Speaker 1: they don't even question it. They drive me there. I've
Speaker 1: dated people who have been like this. Again. This past Christmas,
Speaker 1: I had a horrible anxiety attack, and my boyfriend he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's go get the keys, you know, and
Speaker 1: just getting to the hospital, breathing in the parking lot,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think he's like, Okay, let's go home.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like making it not such a big deal,
Speaker 1: not making someone feel ashamed or embarrassed for whatever, caring
Speaker 1: in the moment. Yeah, And I think one other thing
Speaker 1: I'll say is reach out to people totally, like check
Speaker 1: on people, ask if they're okay. Because the anxiety manifests
Speaker 1: itself in a lot of ways, and it swirls and
Speaker 1: turns into depression. People feel trapped, like they don't have
Speaker 1: an escape, and be someone's escape. You know, Wow, that's beautiful,
Speaker 1: Thank you. Shall we go to the red table and
Speaker 1: continue this amazing conversation with our beautiful mother's grandmother. Let's
Speaker 1: see it. Hey guys, hey may hear me? How was
Speaker 1: it to be able to feel like and you could
Speaker 1: have such an open conversation like that, you feel less alone,
Speaker 1: like a breath of fresh air. That's how it felt like.
Speaker 1: They're totally you know, so I when your mom has
Speaker 1: agreed to join us, this is a big moment and
Speaker 1: an honor screwinner. Kim Basinger seemed to have it all,
Speaker 1: a booming career, a movie star husband, and a string
Speaker 1: of iconic films from James Bond to Nine and a
Speaker 1: Half Weeks, Batman and l A Confidential, But behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: Kim continued to grapple with the crippling anxiety that plagued
Speaker 1: her since childhood. After a difficult divorce played out in public,
Speaker 1: Kim seemed to disappear from the spotlight. Now, for the
Speaker 1: first time in nearly fifteen years, Kim is opening up
Speaker 1: together with her daughter Ireland, to share their struggles with
Speaker 1: mental health. The One and Only, Yes, Hi, nic brilliant,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank Hi doll. Such a beautiful, thank you,
Speaker 1: beautiful job. You know, it's so interesting to be able
Speaker 1: to watch two young people together and have a conversation
Speaker 1: like that, you know, just as a mom, because we
Speaker 1: didn't get to do that. That's very true. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't come up in a time where that kind
Speaker 1: of conversation was even allowed. And I'm sure with you too, Kim,
Speaker 1: Like you know, we were children, and it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, be seen and not heard and sit down
Speaker 1: and just do what she told saying with you right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know. When I was a kid, I was really
Speaker 1: a very um, high octane type kid, and I was
Speaker 1: very perceptive about what was going on in my house,
Speaker 1: the strife, the fight, and I was just very very
Speaker 1: sensitive and it affected me seeing my mom struggle. She
Speaker 1: was a very dark woman. She was a beautiful woman,
Speaker 1: but she was troubled deeply. And I saw her struggle
Speaker 1: with anxiety her whole life. And I always had a
Speaker 1: great fear of something happening to my mom. I was
Speaker 1: so afraid, and then that started affecting me in so
Speaker 1: many ways that I felt like I had to be
Speaker 1: home with my mom to save her. So I would
Speaker 1: take it to school and I would lie, I would
Speaker 1: make up excuses so the teacher would send me home.
Speaker 1: After a while, they began to think that something was
Speaker 1: really differently wrong with me, so they made me take
Speaker 1: all kinds of tests, they made me draw bunny pictures,
Speaker 1: and basically it was child anxiety. But they did not
Speaker 1: see things like that. And and it took me into
Speaker 1: adulthood to really find out as I was being helped
Speaker 1: for my anxiety, to really reckon with that journey I
Speaker 1: had gone on with my mom to try to save
Speaker 1: her was part of my problem. How did your anxiety
Speaker 1: manifest in your adulthood? You had a condition where you
Speaker 1: stayed in the house for phobia. I literally was in
Speaker 1: a health food store one day. It was my neighborhood store.
Speaker 1: I was going down Aisle number three. My basket was
Speaker 1: almost full, and I found something really overcoming me in
Speaker 1: such a way that I couldn't bring it. So I
Speaker 1: left the basket and I made it to my car,
Speaker 1: and that was the last time I drove for almost
Speaker 1: six seven months. It yeah, but I wouldn't leave the house.
Speaker 1: I would no longer go to dinner. I could not
Speaker 1: even have people for dinner. We tried that, and it's
Speaker 1: really horrible to feel it. One as as fairly fiercely
Speaker 1: as I did during those years, you know, and not
Speaker 1: know what it was. It's like something just completely shuts
Speaker 1: down within you and you have to relearn everything. I
Speaker 1: had to relearn to drive, and for any years I
Speaker 1: would not go through the tunnels at Malibu. Everything used
Speaker 1: to make me nervous, like the glass going to open
Speaker 1: the door, or where do I stepped over the door.
Speaker 1: Everything became a big job to figure out. How to
Speaker 1: do you live with the dry mouth all the time.
Speaker 1: You're very shaky, You're just so exhausted all the time.
Speaker 1: How were you able to manage that? We had heard
Speaker 1: about the center. It just helps people with anxieties and
Speaker 1: panic attacks. And I did my six months and learned
Speaker 1: how to redrive everything else I had to do. And
Speaker 1: I was really scared because I didn't want to tell
Speaker 1: anybody in my work what was happening. It's got to
Speaker 1: be a really hard way to exist, yeah, because you're
Speaker 1: not really living your life. We actually have a family
Speaker 1: member who I think probably suffers from a form of agoraphobia,
Speaker 1: and we never do that. We didn't understand. I didn't
Speaker 1: understand her behavior or lack thereof, Like she wouldn't come
Speaker 1: out and come around, and we kind of took it
Speaker 1: personally that she didn't want to be with us, and
Speaker 1: people do take it personally she doesn't want to come
Speaker 1: to the dinner again, or she doesn't want to do this,
Speaker 1: and people don't understand these things. So when you really
Speaker 1: feel like you're in it alone, it is a horrible feeling.
Speaker 1: It's always had to stigma on it about people just
Speaker 1: think you're that's it, and people try to take you down.
Speaker 1: She's nuts, don't get near her, don't deal with her.
Speaker 1: Everybody thinks I'm a hermit. It is hurt, horrible, and
Speaker 1: it flows from one generation to another. It does. But
Speaker 1: I tell you, Ireland has been a great teacher and
Speaker 1: a great healer for me. For me, she has no
Speaker 1: idea what she's done for me in my life to
Speaker 1: battle this. She's brought me out of my shell. Kim,
Speaker 1: how did you feel when you saw that Ireland was
Speaker 1: also suffering from anxiety? What did that bring up for you? Oh?
Speaker 1: You you have no idea. When she started twisting her hands,
Speaker 1: because my mother always put her hand over my hands becrise,
Speaker 1: I would twist my hands my whole life to see
Speaker 1: her hurt. It used to hurt me worse than anything
Speaker 1: probably could. There's no description. Really we went through a
Speaker 1: heavy duty, very out loud when you're in the public
Speaker 1: divorce and she had to go through that very rough time. So, Kim,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you. I know that co parenting
Speaker 1: can be really listened. Parenting can be difficult in Ireland
Speaker 1: having the anxiety issues that that she's had. Was that
Speaker 1: a difficult process with Alec or were you guys able
Speaker 1: to kind of see eye to eye on how to
Speaker 1: handle it eye to I uh no, you know that
Speaker 1: was not Alex if anyone, um, you know, we were
Speaker 1: all fine, we all get alone whatever. But he's been
Speaker 1: but he's a challenge. I mean, come on, we've had
Speaker 1: our challenges, and I don't think Alec was emotionally or
Speaker 1: mentally available for that kind of talk. Um. Alec, you know,
Speaker 1: operates in a very different way in his life. He
Speaker 1: deals with anxiety greatly, but he's someone who grew up
Speaker 1: in a family that would suppress that as well or
Speaker 1: tell him he's weak feeling that. Yeah, yeah, there's things
Speaker 1: I would go to my father for. But if I
Speaker 1: ever even tried to have this conversation in any way
Speaker 1: with him, I don't think he would be able to
Speaker 1: really absorb any of it, you know, or understand an
Speaker 1: He can't really sympathize as much with it. But it's
Speaker 1: not his fault and he's gotten way better. I think
Speaker 1: he really suppressed his anxiety. Like up until pretty recently,
Speaker 1: he's really been dealing with things that kind of have
Speaker 1: been thrown at him. He's been forced to finally deal
Speaker 1: with these things. That's what God does to us, makes it,
Speaker 1: you know, in a position that we can no longer
Speaker 1: run with you. It took me a long time to
Speaker 1: understand Willow, it really did it. I mean, just her anxiety.
Speaker 1: I had a very difficult time relating because two things,
Speaker 1: her lifestyle and how she was brought up very different
Speaker 1: than mine. I don't know what it's like to be
Speaker 1: a child under hot lights, and then just really not
Speaker 1: knowing how to comfort her, not knowing what help she needed,
Speaker 1: not understanding the behavior. Even though I used to chew
Speaker 1: my fingernails down to yeah and cuticles, I'll still go
Speaker 1: at him a little bit. But they didn't say that
Speaker 1: that was anxiety. Oh my god, I was a nail biter,
Speaker 1: that's right, right. I never identified it as an anxiety
Speaker 1: one thing I would say, and having to deal with
Speaker 1: and learn about her anxiety. I've had to look at
Speaker 1: some of my own behaviors and then behaviors of my
Speaker 1: mother and go, well, of course I probably would have
Speaker 1: some anxiety in regards to how I grew up. It
Speaker 1: was very difficult even till this day, you know, and
Speaker 1: just being there for her in the way that she needs.
Speaker 1: I think my anxiety used to trigger you, it did,
Speaker 1: like and you would just be like, no, this what
Speaker 1: would anxiety look like for you? Just like on the floor,
Speaker 1: tears shaking, screaming, confused, and I'd be like, hey, yeah, see,
Speaker 1: but you said the key thing. It triggered something in you,
Speaker 1: not even recognizing your own a little bit, because your
Speaker 1: nail biting is huge, it's huge. She to do it
Speaker 1: so badly to the quick that I used to try
Speaker 1: to just do anything. I said, I just hold her hands,
Speaker 1: do anything, offered to pay her, which never worked anything,
Speaker 1: you know. But I think in our world I almost
Speaker 1: saw it as a weakness, you know, like we just
Speaker 1: couldn't afford to be anxious. But I think you know
Speaker 1: you had your ways of escaping, right, That's true, you did,
Speaker 1: Yama run yeah, which also numb me to whatever was
Speaker 1: going on with you. I just didn't want to face it,
Speaker 1: deal with anything in my life, right, So I guess
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing is this cycle of generational What are
Speaker 1: some of the coping methods that you use when you
Speaker 1: feel a panic attack coming on? Now, it just brings
Speaker 1: me tremendous comfort. To regulate my blood pressure. I know
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous, but it's mine. It's what you need. It helps.
Speaker 1: Do you still carry of blood pressure machine with you?
Speaker 1: Blood pressure? Yeah? Blood pressure come yeah on Amazon, and
Speaker 1: it's like solds me so much. So honestly, I would
Speaker 1: come home and collapse in her driveway and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: call somebody, or I collapsed my bathroom, call somebody, something
Speaker 1: just the floor. Something's happening to me. It's my you know.
Speaker 1: And of course when things would happen to Ireland like
Speaker 1: that and I would have to call the paramedics. I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure you weren't gonna be I mean,
Speaker 1: she wasn't just doing this on purpose. It was really
Speaker 1: happening to her. It's a real thing. It's a real thing.
Speaker 1: I had an anxiety attack before I went to the doctor,
Speaker 1: and my blood pressure was really high. I was just
Speaker 1: heaving and your body is just stressed. You needed to.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting how anxiety works because even for Willow,
Speaker 1: she would be nervous going, you know, like to perform,
Speaker 1: but she wouldn't have an anxiety attack. But she could
Speaker 1: be mess up doing absolutely nothing and then and then
Speaker 1: absolutely it's totally different. You're not sitting with yourself when
Speaker 1: you're performing. You're you're in it. You know, interesting point
Speaker 1: that you're not sitting with yourself, you're out of yourself
Speaker 1: a bit, versus having to sit alone with you. And
Speaker 1: they think about I could be as happy as can be,
Speaker 1: and I could be like at lunch my favorite restaurant
Speaker 1: or at home watching a movie and have and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, all feel boom. And it can come
Speaker 1: from just nothing, like out of total thin air. I
Speaker 1: don't care how much help you get on a care,
Speaker 1: how much support you get, You're still going to have
Speaker 1: those anxious times. She's got something you get over. You
Speaker 1: just how to manage it, and you do right. Just
Speaker 1: recently that was sitting across from my now partner and
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I want to go home, okay.
Speaker 1: At a restaurant. I just not just I have to go.
Speaker 1: I gotta get out of here. And I felt very
Speaker 1: strongly about that. I will literally start shaking. My hands
Speaker 1: start shaking, sometimes my legs shake. Why you know, I
Speaker 1: have to saying, just shut up to your own self,
Speaker 1: shut up to your own self. I love that. I
Speaker 1: mean it. If I'm gonna start saying, I'm going to
Speaker 1: hear your voice in my head, I mean, everyone, just
Speaker 1: shut up to your own self. And I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: that to you. But you have to say in the
Speaker 1: country accident. So beautiful that you guys have each other.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what I mean. It's so beautiful that
Speaker 1: you can lean on one another. I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: better out of bab. You come on some of the best.
Speaker 1: When you when you told me that you actually do
Speaker 1: experience anxiety, that changed my life. Yeah, because you're my
Speaker 1: best friends. So what can I say? I love you,
Speaker 1: I'm sweet. I love that bad. Thank you. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank you so sweet. Set. I
Speaker 1: was really honored to be asked to do this because
Speaker 1: I haven't been out in so long. This was a
Speaker 1: huge thing for me, and I knew I was going
Speaker 1: to enjoy it immensely because it's a subject matter that
Speaker 1: has just wrecked havoc in so many lives. And I
Speaker 1: just I am so proud of you, all of you
Speaker 1: ladies for bringing it all up to You're making a
Speaker 1: whole movement with people with women. The whole purpose of
Speaker 1: the table testimony is so powerful and sharing, every sharing
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Speaker 1: It's Kim and she was like, what happened? She's like
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