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Speaker 1: This is Wins and Losses with Clay Trevis. Clay talks

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Speaker 1: Now here's Clay Trevis. Welcome into a special Wins and

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Speaker 1: Losses podcast. Maybe even want to call it a quarantine

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Speaker 1: country is watch a lot of streaming shows. And right

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Speaker 1: now as I'm speaking, the number one show in all

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Speaker 1: show called Tiger King. The title is Tiger King. Tiger King.

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Speaker 1: Uh it is uh, it is an unbelievable show and

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Speaker 1: uh and there's so many different directions to to go

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Speaker 1: Mississippi State had football coach Mike Leach. Coaches had gotten used.

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Speaker 1: Have you gotten used to being called Mississippi State head

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Speaker 1: or twice in which that happens. And you know, once

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Speaker 1: Um you know here that we have off, whether it's uh,

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Speaker 1: said you'd like you'd go visit the Tiger Place. I

427
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: said I would go. Um. It appears that he's still

428
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: open and in business. Um. And he basically has a

429
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: tiger cult that it appears that he's created where all

430
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: these young attractive women come there and work and he

431
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: ends up marrying them. The one thing we didn't get

432
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: from him is do we get a sense for how

433
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: many kids he has? They showed a kid. Didn't get

434
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: a sense of kids. Uh. He seemed to have a cleaner,

435
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: well organized place. Uh. The other thing that's amazing is

436
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: how obsessed these because this Tiger business is a lifestyle.

437
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you're it's kind of your seven in the

438
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: tiger business. And the most amazing thing is, uh, how

439
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: hello the wages are You've got to love living in

440
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: a trailer or a shack and getting up and feeding

441
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: and walking tigers every day in order to do this,

442
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: because you know, those tigers got to eat and um

443
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: and uh, you know the uh No, it's a lifestyle

444
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: that it looks like these people get consumed and obsessed with.

445
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: And I think that clearly other people could. I mean,

446
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: if it's you know, attracts, uh, it's almost it's kind

447
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: of like pain pills. You know. I know people uh

448
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: that haven't been able to kick pain pills. And then

449
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, and then there's others that are like me

450
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: and my daughter, for example, and she's a doctor, we've

451
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: never gotten through a bottle of pain pills. You know,

452
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: you take a pain pill, you get something where you

453
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: take a pain pills and I can't sleep on them.

454
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: You know, my my eyes go half mass and I

455
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: end up stand up all night watching TV. I feel

456
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: like I'm two sentences behind and just get tired of

457
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: feeling like that, Like I can't think quickly and I've

458
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: never finished the bottle. I've maybe made it to three

459
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: of them before. I just you know, go through whatever

460
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: pain I have and take tile at all. But I

461
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: think this tiger business is like that that some people

462
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: can get addicted to them, and um and uh and yeah,

463
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: a lot of times there people that are looking for

464
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: something and just want like certainly Joe Exotics, people were

465
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: looking for something and just wanted somebody to love them

466
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: and to be a part of something important or that

467
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: they felt was important. And so we're willing to sacrifice

468
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: everything else to do that. Um and then um some

469
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: similar things with doc um. Now docs groups seemed to

470
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: be a happier group for what we saw, and then

471
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: um they and of course he did not trust Carol

472
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: Baskin at all. And then uh and then it seems

473
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: like that his uh Joe might have been one of

474
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: his proteges. And then um, um the other thing that

475
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: I was curious about. And they did not suggest any

476
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: of this. None of them did. As far as getting

477
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: attached or wounded by a tiger, just some tiger twisting off.

478
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: I expected that we had the one person who yeah, right,

479
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: I mean they showed the one scene where Joe gets

480
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: attacked and he blamed him for putting like perfume on

481
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: his shoe or whatever it was. And then we obviously

482
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: knew the employee there, who was maybe the most realistic

483
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: and normal of Joe's employees, got her arm torn off.

484
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: But in general, it seemed like they were surrounded by

485
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: tigers quite a bit, and the stories of the tigers

486
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: kind of going Siegfried and Roy on them or whatever

487
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: didn't seem common. By the way, Doc also changed the

488
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: names of all of the women. Remember they they changed

489
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: their names to sound more exotic. And then the one

490
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: girl that they got out of basically said, hey, this

491
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: was a cult. She got out of it. She said

492
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: that he also got her breast implants, like they were

493
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: paying the girls a hundred dollars a week or whatever

494
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: craziness she was saying. They were getting paid. But then

495
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: they also said, hey, if you get breast implants, you

496
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: get extra days off to recover. I guess because he

497
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: thought that aid that added to the overall ambiance of

498
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: his of his brand and uh. But but that in

499
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: and of itself was a crazy detail that I feel like,

500
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: among so many other crazy details, it didn't even get

501
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: explored that much. It was just like something, Hey, oh,

502
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: here's another crazy thing, and then you skip off in

503
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: another directions. Well, there were so many details there. It

504
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: sounds like because you could have done you could have

505
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: done a seven hour documentary on any one of these.

506
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: And if they branch off and do them, I'll watch

507
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: them too. And and uh the you know everything from

508
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: murder investigation with Carol and where all those uh donations

509
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: for tiger rescuer going while the doors are open and

510
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: and she's doing the exact same thing Joe exotic and

511
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: talk are with regards to the commercial uh interest in

512
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: the tiger business. And then uh uh and then the

513
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: other amazing thing is and the one guy touched on it.

514
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: But you can't they transplant some of these tigers to

515
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: the wild if we have a shortage, Joe, I mean,

516
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: I totally wondered about that too, because they said in

517
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: the opening, they said that there are more thousand in

518
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: the wild, four thousand in the wild and something like

519
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: seven to ten thousand in the United States. That's right,

520
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: So there are more privately owned tigers in the United

521
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: States than currently exist in the wild. That's one of

522
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: the most unbelievable stats I've ever heard. All Right, let's

523
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: go to Let's go to Joe Exotic. So we start

524
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: off the program obviously with Joe Exotic and his and

525
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: his zoo there um and so many different directions that

526
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: this thing goes in. But Joe has a double marriage

527
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: to to two other men, neither one of whom is

528
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: claiming that they're actually gay. So that's an unbelievable beginning. Well,

529
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: insisting that they are gay, Yeah, they aren't gay, and

530
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: then wanted to keep Joe happy and wanted me up,

531
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's that's an unbelievable aspect of

532
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: this story. One of them commits suicide. They have the funeral,

533
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: and it was one of the most cringe worthy, awkward

534
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: funerals I've ever seen where he did. Do you think

535
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: he deliberately committed suicide? Well, we did. The only thing

536
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: we saw was the video. You think he was just

537
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: trying to draw attention? Well, because because what I'm thinking,

538
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: because it sounded like he would play with guns, yeah,

539
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: all day, play with uh the A t vs all day, Uh,

540
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: play with guns all day, you know, just gonna have

541
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: a free for all and play camp there at the Tiger.

542
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: Because it didn't sound like he did much work, But

543
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: he loved flashing around guns and taking drugs. And I

544
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: think it's possible that as you're playing, and he'd played

545
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: pranks with loaded guns, like point him at people and

546
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: everything else, which when I was a kid, you didn't

547
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: even point a dart gun at somebody. And and um

548
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: um uh, you know, as he's all hopped up doing this,

549
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: did he just forget that the thing was loaded and

550
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: carried his stick a little too far and and accidentally

551
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: shot himself through the head. I don't know. I think

552
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: that I think that's more likely than I mean, it's

553
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: hard to know because we saw, you know, however many

554
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: minutes of his life that it was, But it didn't

555
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: seem like there wasn't a suggestion that he had previously

556
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: tried to commit suicide or anything like that. But I

557
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: don't know that I've ever seen a eulogy, or that

558
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: any eulogy has ever existed in all time where part

559
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: of the eulogy is about how the guy liked to

560
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: put his balls on everybody's face. Do you see that

561
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 1: that eulogy it was a lot more about Joe Exotic

562
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: than it was the departed. Oh, there's no doubt. And

563
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: then he finds a new boyfriend, like two meant two

564
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: months later, who is who's another younger guy like I. I

565
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't even understand how that was possible that he

566
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: met that he met on the internet. Uh, so Joe

567
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: is there. And then my favorite care of all that

568
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: was at Joe's place was his campaign manager. The campaign

569
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: manager that he met at the Walmart in the ammunition

570
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: aisle was I think one of the most unbelievable characters

571
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: in this UH, in this entire episode, Joshua dial Uh.

572
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: He was he to know more about him? I thought

573
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: he was incredible. Um he had some of the best

574
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: lines in the whole place, and he and he thought

575
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: he was really gonna run a campaign that he met

576
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: the guy who's running for office in the UH, in

577
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: the UH in the actual Walmart ammunition aisle. And I've

578
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: got a great quote from him. But you had to

579
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: be as a guy who is who's probably got some

580
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: libertarian leanings in general, like I do. You had to

581
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: find that guy to be just a little bit entertaining

582
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: in general. Right, he is outstanding and also seemed like

583
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: a a fairly intelligent guy, although a little off base.

584
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: Um uh. And I wonder if he's running campaigns somewhere

585
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: in the state Oklahoma right now. But uh, and then, uh,

586
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: it would be interesting to know more about him. And

587
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: uh it's almost like uh breaking bad series that that

588
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: that that happens even more quickly, more suddenly, with even

589
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: more bizarre twists and turns and um. But yeah, he

590
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: sounded like a guy that just wanted to run campaigns

591
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: and uh. And the one thing about Joe exotic as

592
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: he did have the ability uh put an umbrella over

593
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: people and motivate a various uh directions for his self

594
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: interest and uh and had quite a menagerie of him.

595
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: He had a great line the campaign manager did I'm

596
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: a libertarian? Like he went through this whole line up

597
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: of thing I'm a libertarian, so funk the government. That

598
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: was a campaign manager. I mean, there were some incredible

599
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: lines that he broke down there. But in a in

600
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: a show full of crazy characters, he was definitely one

601
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: of the most unbelievable of them. Uh. And then so

602
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: as if we weren't having enough that's going on there

603
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: all of the and there are a lot like you

604
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: mentioned guys who in the girls who are looking for

605
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: a place. They said, he hired a lot of these,

606
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: a lot of former convicts, a lot of people with

607
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: a lot of other without a lot of other options.

608
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: So ultimately he ends up in a problem because he

609
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: brings in this guy Jeff. Now, I don't know how

610
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: Jeff in and of itself. I thought. Another of the

611
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: most remarkable details was they decided they were going to

612
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: have a Las Vegas bus service where you could go

613
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: from one place to another and they would have baby

614
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 1: tiger cubs that you could hold, and they got somebody

615
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: to invest in it, and then it didn't didn't work

616
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: very well. It's one of the most unbelievable business ideas

617
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: I've ever heard. It sounded like strippers and baby tigers

618
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: and um. And then of course, you know, and so

619
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: that guy's a swinger, you know, and he's got his

620
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: wife who um, and I don't know if she led

621
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: the charge on that or he did. I have to

622
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: suspect him. And then um, you know, getting uh now,

623
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: he's the one guy that didn't marry every um love

624
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: interest that he ran into and um, but it wasn't

625
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: going to be deprived nevertheless, and then uh, well in

626
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: in the end, which without any real evidence, but a

627
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: lot of people on the show. I think he's just

628
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: a straight con man and again a convict, and then

629
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: um uh, it'd be interesting to know where he is now. Well,

630
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: what's crazy is there are so many things that are

631
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: insane in this show that putting baby tigers into luggage

632
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: and rolling him through Las Vegas Cassine knows. I was like, yeah, totally,

633
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: I can totally see that happening. It didn't even like

634
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: most of the time, if you found out that somebody

635
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: you knew was doing that, that would be the craziest

636
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: detail you've ever heard. It didn't even factor for him.

637
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: I mean at the end, the girl that he's with

638
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: is having a baby and he's talking about how he

639
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: picked the best looking nanny possible, uh to uh to

640
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: be with him. So but he shows up at this

641
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: car park in a Ferrari, Now was a rented Ferrari.

642
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: But I don't even you're you were in Oklahoma for

643
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: a while. I mean, how is it possible that a

644
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: Ferrari even ends up there? And then somehow he ends

645
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: up in control of this wildlife park and they're starting

646
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: to build a new one, and he decides he's gonna

647
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: send Joe Exotic to jail, and I mean, the whole

648
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: thing is just crazy. I still don't understand how he

649
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: escaped charges and how the other guy did as well.

650
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: It sounded to me like they just decided they were

651
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: gonna set up Joe Exotic for doing something other than

652
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: the you know, murder for higher but he'd been talking

653
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: about that wildly for a long time. But the selling

654
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: of the of the tiger cubs and everything else, it

655
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: sounds like almost everybody does that. Well, they all turned

656
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: on him except for his most recent husband or wife

657
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: or whatever you call. And then, um, the and one

658
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: thing I've always loved about Oklahoma, like when I coached there. Stuff.

659
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: First of all, you can get a Ferrari somewhere in

660
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: Oklahoma because there's a lot of money in Oklahoma. Now

661
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: it goes all extremes. There's a certain amount of poverty,

662
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: but then there's over the top money. Oil man. Man,

663
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of oil people still in Oklahoma. Yeah,

664
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: and some of them land people too. But um, and

665
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: the thing that it was always fairly captivating about Oklahoma,

666
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: which you'd have the the extreme contrast of the super

667
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: rich and the super poor, and then in between, whether

668
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: it was the less affluent trying to major up with

669
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: the affluent without the means. Um ah, you'd have kind

670
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: of you could have over the top uh clothing say,

671
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: or haircuts or hats or over the top because you know,

672
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: folks in Oklahoma can really dress down as their salted.

673
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: The one thing about Oklahoma the friendliest, the friendliest, greatest people. Okay,

674
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: just friendly, good people, good hearts and that type of thing.

675
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: But then uh, you know some over the top something

676
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: or uh you know, maybe whether it's something the fastened

677
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: to their trucks that's unique or uh, I don't know

678
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: how to call it, but accessories and do Dad's exists

679
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma that are unique, I would say to most

680
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: other states, you know, and um like, I'll tell you

681
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: if you want to see some just some interesting, captivating

682
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: stuff because they're like museums, a big truck stuff in

683
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: the state of Oklahoma. They'll have stuff that uh some

684
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: cases that will discuss you. In some cases, uh, you'll say, oh,

685
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: I have to have it, but what are you gonna

686
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: do with it? You know? But I have to have

687
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: it well, and it would just be so unique in

688
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: such a way. Um Uh. When I was in Oklahoma

689
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: and I got there kind of just after some of

690
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: this started, but it was still going on. The greatest

691
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: thing on earth to listen to was r D Mercer tapes.

692
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: There was a guy named rd Mercer or a radio figure,

693
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: and I suspect the reason they don't do them now

694
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: is because, you know, the cat got out of the bag.

695
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: After a while, they got to knowing who the guy was.

696
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: But this guy would, uh, this radio host would pretend

697
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: he's r D Mercer and do prank phone calls to uh,

698
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, various people and set them up and have

699
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: you know, layout some scenario effects and you know, you

700
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: always you always at some point soon, Well how about

701
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: if I come over there and whip your ass and uh,

702
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, and uh he'd lead into it. Well, how

703
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: big a boy are you? Well, I can be there

704
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: in ten minutes, you know, Uh that type of thing,

705
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, are anybody that has not heard

706
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: r D Mercer taps or recordings you have to immediately

707
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: go get him. Check him out on the net. Really

708
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: outstanding and um and uh, you know, just down the streets.

709
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: Uh kind of some of the fun and humor in

710
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: the state of Oklahoma. What when you were when you

711
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: were in Oklahoma. If you were still in Oklahoma, do

712
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 1: you think this is the kind of place you could

713
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: have found yourself at your out on the road recruiting

714
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: or whatever and you dry, I pie, wouldn't it be

715
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: hard not to go to this random I'll tell you

716
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: because I was down and we went to Mexico last year.

717
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: We've been going to Mexico with the kids, like once

718
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: football season is over. And they have a place down

719
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: there called Croco Cancoon. Right, it's like a crocodile park

720
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: outside of Cancoon. And I posted a video from this thing,

721
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: and I'm there with my kids. You know, I got three,

722
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: three boys, so they're excited to get to see all

723
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: the animals and everything else. And there's no way they'd

724
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: let you do this in America. But you walk through

725
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: the Croco Cancoon and these are crocodiles, not alligators, and

726
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: they just let you walk through this walkway and there

727
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: are crocodiles everywhere right in America they would never let

728
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 1: you do this, right, and you don't you just got

729
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: a goal? Well I say that. Now if you go

730
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: to the Oki Finoki Swamp, which because held alf State

731
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: was right by the swamp, yeah, you'll get really close

732
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: to some just monster alligator? You've done that, You've been out?

733
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: Have you ever gone out for alligator or anything? Always

734
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: wanted to? Never did. Yeah, I'd like to try it

735
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: sometime too. I mean, I think it would be terrifying.

736
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: But I watched the Swamp People show and I thought

737
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: it would be pretty cool to go out and try

738
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: to try to hunt for alligators. And I know people

739
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: that have. And then I'll tell you the other thing

740
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: that it's crossed my mind and I don't have a

741
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: story on it. Somehow, I would be surprised. I'd be

742
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: very surprised. You know, all the people I know in Oklahoma,

743
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: and hopefully they'll call me and tell me the story.

744
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: I would be extremely surprised. If I don't know somebody

745
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: that doesn't know Joe Exotic, that hasn't met Joe Exotic.

746
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: Um uh and um yeah I would Uh. I'll bet

747
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: somebody has. For all I know was no, you Booster,

748
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you think that do you think

749
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: he'll spend the rest of his What did you think

750
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: about that we didn't get to see the one thing

751
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: I wish that we didn't get to see that. I

752
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: felt like it was a real hindrance was there was

753
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: no cameras in the courtroom, so we didn't get the

754
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: opportunity to actually see all of the testimony and see

755
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: any of the highlights of that. They just show the

756
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: drawings and everything else. Do you what did you think

757
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: of the case that we and again we just saw

758
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: the sketches and the outline of it. But what did

759
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: you think of the case that the government brought to

760
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: bear against Joe Exotic. It seemed to me like there

761
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: were a lot of loopholes. It seemed to me like

762
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: there was a lot of reasonable doubt there. And it's

763
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: almost impossible for me to say because you know, again

764
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: there's no evidence. You know, they we really don't know

765
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: what the evidence was. They gave him twenty two years.

766
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't really know what the evidence was, of which

767
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: he probably won't serve twenty two years. Uh, I don't

768
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: know the exact evidence. It looked like a lot of

769
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: people turned on him, and some of them it sounded

770
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: like me have embellished their story a little bit. And

771
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: then the one guy without the legs, they didn't talk

772
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: to him, and even he had his legs decorated and

773
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: accessorized up and then um uh, his artificial limbs. And then, um,

774
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: so I was curious about the case and curious about

775
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: the fact I am against cameras in the courtroom. Um,

776
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: I thought I was in favor of it. You know,

777
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: when I was initially in law school, I thought I

778
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: was in favorite of cameras in the courtroom. But I

779
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: think what happens and courts need to still be you

780
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: know public, Like if you line up at the door

781
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: and you go, you should be allowed to attend. But

782
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: when they put him on TV, then there's a certain

783
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: amount of witnesses and judges and attorneys that developed what

784
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: I call lancedo syndrome where, um, you know, for the

785
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: O J Trial, where it became a lot more important

786
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: to cater to the camera than the the case, and

787
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: a certain number of witnesses and people ended up in

788
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: that trial, I believe, um because they had the opportunity

789
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: to be on TV without anything that really a substance

790
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: to say. And uh, everybody's trying to respond and behave

791
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: to the camera, which I don't think is healthy. Another

792
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: trial back then that was a little like that was

793
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: the William Kennedy Smith trial. I thought, oh, the worst

794
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: of all time, the worst of all times, the An

795
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: and Nicole Smith trial, well, you know, the judge would

796
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: start sobbing at the bench and I mean all the stuff,

797
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: and he personally wanted to question it, I mean, his

798
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: way out of head. Uh So, we don't know how

799
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: long Joe Exotic is going to be in uh in prison.

800
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: And it's hard, like you said, even you know, from

801
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: a lawyer perspective, of a legal perspective, to figure out

802
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: exactly what the evidence was. But if you remember, like,

803
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: did you watch Making a Murderer back in the day,

804
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: the one the other one that kind of caught fire

805
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: on Netflix about about the people up in Wisconsin. Yeah,

806
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: I did. Uh So if you remember that I watched

807
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: the Robert Durst the Roberts Outstanding, Yeah, yeah. And if

808
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: you remember both of those, they basically reignited the legal

809
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: process completely. And I feel like, to a large extent,

810
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: that could happen here too. I feel like with Carol Baskin,

811
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: there's certainly a possibility that this re energizes effort and

812
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: energy and trying to figure out what happened to her husband.

813
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: And I also feel like there are a lot of

814
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: people who are going to have watched this and found

815
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: based on the way that this story was told, that

816
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: Joe Exotic, they felt like was kind of the fall guy.

817
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: When you look at Jeff and the other kind of

818
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: shady character whose name I forget, the Jeff's friend that

819
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: he brought up that ended up testifying against him, it

820
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: kind of felt like they were setting up Joe Exotic,

821
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: and so it just felt and then the other guy,

822
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: like I thought, the funniest scene in the whole place,

823
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: and I'm forgetting this guy's name, the sort of chunky

824
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: guy with the funky haircut who was on the jet

825
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: ski at the end, you know, like kind of talking

826
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: about oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the guy that says,

827
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful at Tiger, people will stab you

828
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: right in the back. Yeah. That that guy was. I

829
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: mean it was like Kenny Powers, you know, riding around

830
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: on the jet ski there. It was almost too much.

831
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: When I watched that it was in slow motion. I mean,

832
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: it was it was an incredibly Uh I have no

833
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: idea where he was riding a jet ski. I guess

834
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: on a lake in Oklahoma. Maybe we didn't even really

835
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: find that out, but I thought that entire process was

836
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: just utterly, utterly absurdly hysterical. Yeah, there's a few good

837
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: lakes in Oklahoma, Tin Killer Lake. That's a lot of fun.

838
00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: Uh the yeah, I don't, I don't know what like

839
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: it was very kinny powers, sunglasses and all. I bet Joey,

840
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: I bet joe Exotic would talk to us. Uh, if

841
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: we went and met Hiven in prison, I'll bet you

842
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: he'd be happy to talk to us, would take that trip.

843
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, you've got you've got like

844
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: Carol Baskin with you know, the whole deal on her

845
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: husband lingering out there. But even even if that may

846
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: get reignited, and even if she thinks it might get reignited. One,

847
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: I think she's arrogant enough that she thinks that she's untouchable.

848
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: But then the other thing, I think the attention surrounding

849
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: this thing would be irresistible to her, and no matter

850
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: what happened, she wouldn't be able to you know, she

851
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to resist flying into the flame with

852
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: regard to the attention that's generated by this thing. Oh,

853
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: I don't have any doubt. Fox Sports Radio has the

854
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Speaker 1: best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of

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857
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: listen live. I'm Clay Travis is Wins and Losses. Uh,

858
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: Mike Leach with this Mississipi State football coach. We're talking

859
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: about uh the new uh the new Sweeping Sensation viral

860
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: uh documentary that is on Netflix. Uh. Joe Exotic is

861
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: the Star, Tiger King is the is the show? Um? Alright,

862
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: So a couple of last thoughts here, and there may

863
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: be other things you wanted to talk about as well,

864
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: but I jotted down notes as I was watching it. Um,

865
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: what do you think about the You mentioned Rick that

866
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: the sort of the documentary guy, and how he was

867
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: kind of the the voice of normalcy in many ways.

868
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: Rick Kirkham was his name, He was that, he had

869
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: a great voice, and he was the guy who used

870
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: to be a reporter. What do you think happened with

871
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: the burning down of the of the studio and everything

872
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: that was inside. Um? Do you wonder if it was

873
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: some insurance thing? Was the first thing that came to

874
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: my mind. And then they said, uh, we know it

875
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: was Arson, we just don't know who did it. I

876
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: think we have a pretty good idea who did it?

877
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean, they would controlled everything around there. I mean,

878
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: I can't prove it, but I think it was probably

879
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: Joe Exotic. But yes, even in the video it looked

880
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: a little bit like him. And then I guess my

881
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,479
Speaker 1: final thought is and then he had there was something.

882
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: There was some dialogue. I can't remember what he said.

883
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: It's something to the effect of, well it was mine

884
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: anyway or something like that or anyway where both with

885
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: regard to um, Carol's potentially murdering your husband, there was

886
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: some foreshadowing type of comments. And then the same way

887
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: with burning down that that that studio. One thing with

888
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: that reporter. It seems to me that that guy, you know,

889
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: being a reporter and then having been there and having

890
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: filmed it and having lived it to a point, would

891
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: probably have some interesting insights. Maybe not correct on all

892
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: of them, but um if he were to, you know,

893
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: give what his thoughts were on it. Maybe not a

894
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: hundred percent true, but his thoughts I think would be

895
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: kinny interesting. No, I think that would be fascinating. And

896
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: my final thought, I guess is the guy who filmed

897
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: this documentary, I don't have any idea. We never saw him, Yeah,

898
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: we just saw him a couple of times. I kind

899
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: of want to know his story, because we know he

900
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 1: started off kind of doing a story on exotic animals,

901
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: because if you remember, early on, there was like a leopard,

902
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: a white leopard or something like that in the back

903
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: of a guy's van, and uh, and they had some

904
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: snakes and everything else. And then somehow that led him

905
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 1: to Joe Exotic, which led him into the story of

906
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: trying to explore these big cat people and why they

907
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: were such interesting and intriguing characters in their own right.

908
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: But how did that story kind of come about for him?

909
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: How many hours would he spend? How many hours was

910
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: he there? Uh? I mean this had to be something

911
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: that he's spending a decade on or five years. I

912
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: thought he said five years. Yeah, he might have said

913
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: five years, but I mean, the the amount of footage

914
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: that he didn't put into this documentary had to be unbelievable. Yeah,

915
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine sifting through all that and

916
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: you know it's uh, it's something wild every day and

917
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: and these guys are all such consummate liars in many ways, right,

918
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: it's hard to figure out what's true and what's false.

919
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: All of the detail work, you know, when you hear, oh,

920
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: this woman killed her husband, and you know all the

921
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: background of Joe Exotic and and the and the guy

922
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: who's got the harem down in South Carolina doc. I mean,

923
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: these people are so incredibly wild and crazy that it's

924
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: hard to be able to distinguish truth from why. And

925
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: that's ultimately the goal of a documentary filmmaker. I would

926
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: think that's almost imp sible for him. Yeah, and then

927
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: there were some rare cases on it that, um, they're

928
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: so insulated within their life, you know that they've manufactured

929
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: for themselves that there were some things that although I

930
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: don't believe we're true, I think occasionally, uh that they

931
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: thought they were true or had themselves convinced it was true. Yeah,

932
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think there are any doubts

933
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: at all. Do you want to do a Do you

934
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: want to do a lightning round? I could go on

935
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: social media right now and be like, do you have

936
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: questions for us about Tiger King, and we could go

937
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: through lightning round or if you've got time, we were

938
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: also good. I think we've all talked about it too.

939
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: It's your call. We can do lightning around, all right,

940
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: let's do lightning around. I'm getting on Twitter right now

941
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say we are currently taping the Tiger

942
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: King Podcast special. What questions do you have for Coach?

943
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: Leach and I fire away want to make sure we

944
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: don't miss anything. Drew wants to know, Uh, Coach, when

945
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,919
Speaker 1: are you and Gardner Minshew gonna open your own zoo

946
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: in Florida. I'll tell you that'd be a fun zoo.

947
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: And uh, that'd be a fun zoo. It would be

948
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: more like, uh, if I were to do something like that,

949
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: it would be like a just a cool, really cool

950
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: natural habitat that already has a certain amount, um, you know,

951
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: where they can run wild out there, you know, so

952
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: you you fence out your house so something that can't

953
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: come get you. But um, you know, you can go

954
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: kind of safarian out there and check out what's out there,

955
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe go camp out there a little bit.

956
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: If you could have any exotic animal, if you could

957
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: own any exotic animal yourself, you could have it down

958
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: in Starkville. Which exotic animal do you think you would want? Well,

959
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: the most exotic I've had is a raccoon, and that

960
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: would fit in good And start really think yeah, uh,

961
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: but that's not really that difficult to take care of,

962
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: right A raccoon is like in the grand thing. I

963
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: would imagine you would know better than me, But it's

964
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: not that tough right now. You just let them run

965
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: around with the cats and dogs, and if you want

966
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: to bring them in the house, you go ahead. And

967
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: they'll pull all the spots and pans out of the

968
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: cupboards because they love shiny stuff. And they'll go almost entranced,

969
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: insane with all the shiny pots and pans, and they'll

970
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: clank them all over and they can get to the

971
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: top shelf, to make no mistake about that. And then

972
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: um uh, it was a kid. I always wanted a chimpanzee.

973
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: Now I wouldn't want to have the responsibility of taking

974
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: care of a chimpanzee, but it would be very fun

975
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: to know that you have a chimpanzee for a patch,

976
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, you know, your little sidekick alter

977
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: ego type of guy. Be sure to catch live editions

978
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: about kick the coverage with Clay Travis week days at

979
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: six am Eastern re Am Pacific. All right, we got

980
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of questions rolling in you can follow by

981
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: the way, Mike Leach tell him you enjoyed our conversation

982
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: here at Coach Underscore Leech I'm at Clay Travis, and

983
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: during the live taping of the podcast here I went

984
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: on Twitter and asked people, Um, so these are several

985
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: good questions. Austin wants to know, Coach, which of your

986
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: former players reminds you the most of Joe Exotic? Have

987
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: you ever had? What if what player has been the

988
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: most eccentric or the most interesting or the craziest that

989
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: you've ever coached. Is there one that comes to mind.

990
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of them. I mean I've had

991
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of them, and everybody is interesting, exotic,

992
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: charismatic in their own way. I mean you've already mentioned

993
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: Gardner and Gardener's aboue tough to argue with. Oh, I

994
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: think Logan Tago is a good one, and well also

995
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: Logan Tago and Frankie Luvu, um just kind of overpowering

996
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: kind of personalities. Uh, you know, just their general energy

997
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: for life and things. Um uh, boy, I've had I've

998
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: had so many, it say, it's hard to you know,

999
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: and you think kind of one year at a time,

1000
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: and then you think back and go further back and

1001
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: you know there's some there's some even wilder ones. Um

1002
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: the you know, just guys that are kind of creative,

1003
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: that always have something going on. I'll tell you a

1004
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: really fun guy that's great storyteller, hilarious coaches football somewhere

1005
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: there in Texas As again named Bob Draper at Iowa

1006
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: Westling College. He was a unique and fun guy to

1007
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: hang out with. And uh, you know, had a had

1008
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: to pick up and roll into this pick up. Great

1009
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: big guy, had a very distinct laugh and was always laughing.

1010
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: Had a refrigerator right next to his bed. Um, you know.

1011
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: And as they've done a good job as a coach

1012
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: down there, and then uh, I mean, I can think

1013
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,479
Speaker 1: of it's almost like if she gives me a year,

1014
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: I can a season. I can rattle off, you know,

1015
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: one or two guys. But that that's the thing about

1016
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: football that's captivating is um, it's not so much the

1017
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: excess and as those are exciting practices, exciting big wins

1018
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: are exciting, but the contrast and the variety of personalities

1019
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: that you get in there that start to reveal themselves

1020
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: and you know, the discussions you have, I mean, and

1021
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 1: just kind of the habits are. I mean, they stick

1022
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: with you for a long time and you get the

1023
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: opportunity to sample it a lot. Um question here, what

1024
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: do you think of joe exotic singing voice? Seth asked,

1025
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: highly doctored in studio or does he really have dare

1026
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: I say, a decent voice? I mean, his voice seemed

1027
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: pretty decent, didn't it. Well, everything's the same tune, it

1028
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: would be different words, same tune. I did wonder if

1029
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: he was actually playing the guitar, and I didn't arrive

1030
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: at a conclusion on that. But it didn't look like

1031
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: he didn't play a lot of chords. But it didn't

1032
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: look like his hand at the top of the neck

1033
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: of the guitar was moving much. And then um, uh,

1034
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: you know he had a soothing voice of sorts, kind

1035
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: of a little bit uh uh so redundant. A lot

1036
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: of them the same tune. I guess I would have

1037
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: liked to have seen a little more contrast to the

1038
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: style of songs or um, you know what he what

1039
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: he's saying. It seemed to me that um all the

1040
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: same song, different words. A lot of times Jimmy wants

1041
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: to know what's the best out of date meat to eat?

1042
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: Out of the Walmart meat bear. Uh. If you had

1043
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: to pick, uh, I would have to think maybe something

1044
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: highly processed like uh, which I hate salami, but um,

1045
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: you know something that song already pretty dry and hard.

1046
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: Although they talked about aging, since you knew what you're

1047
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: doing there and in poison yourself, you might be all right.

1048
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: Uh Uh I wouldn't mess with fish if I could help.

1049
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: But UM, I don't know. But you sure saw a

1050
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: lot of sausage on those pizzas, didn't you. Yeah. Oh,

1051
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt. Um, I don't think

1052
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: there's Uh. I don't think there's any doubt about that.

1053
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: I like that the guys had their favorite picks about

1054
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: what exactly they would they would choose if they had to,

1055
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: if they had to pick. Um. All right, reading couple

1056
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: more of these, Uh, if you had to pick what

1057
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: Dr Chris says, if you have to pick one person

1058
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,919
Speaker 1: to vacation with for a month, who do you pick?

1059
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: Joe Exotic, Carol Baskin and her husband Jeff Low or

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Speaker 1: Doc Antel. This is kind of like, uh, um, yeah

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Speaker 1: it is. I don't think there are great options here.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with that. I think it would be Doc

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Speaker 1: I think because see, I think Doc would be a

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Speaker 1: pretty good storyteller. I think he has a lot of

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Speaker 1: adventures in his own right that he can tell you about.

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Speaker 1: And in testing that uh um, doctors spilled beans on

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Speaker 1: everybody else. What about Halloween? These are gonna be big

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Speaker 1: Halloween costumes come October. Which of the characters do you

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01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: think makes the best Halloween costume? Well, for Carol already

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01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: had him at her a couple's cost and her and

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01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: her husband. But that's uh, you know, they're playing a

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Speaker 1: little bit different game. That looked to me like than

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Speaker 1: I'd be willing to get into. Um, let's see, exotic,

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01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: you have to get a mullet if you go che exotic.

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01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: Uh boy, there were some Halloween costume so um uh yeah,

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01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 1: well okay, and maybe the guy on the jet ski

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01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: Jet that'd be a great cart that haircut, if you

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01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: you can pull it off. You gotta get the hair right,

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01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: you gotta get the right mask, you know. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: that would be outstanding. Ricky asks, has Coach Leach ordered

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01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: any of the Joe Exotic undergarments for your next post,

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01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: for the next painting that you're going to pose for?

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01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: I have not, uh, I am not. There's certainly, Uh,

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01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: they're certainly on the list. I mean, who wouldn't want

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01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: uh uh, because that trouble with it is is you

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01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: don't feel it doesn't feel very authentic because Joe says

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01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't wear underwear. Yeah, right, Uh, but that would

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01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: be great for your photo. I mean, you're you're painting

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Speaker 1: if you went with the Joe Exotic underwear for for

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Speaker 1: Mississippi State. Well, at the rate they're just sticking my

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01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: head on top of other people's photos, I don't think

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01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to worry about that very much. Uh.

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01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: I imagine that will probably already be taken care of. Um.

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Speaker 1: These are fantastic, By the way, all the all the

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01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: questions that are rolling in, would you a lot of

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01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: people are asking tiger related questions. Would you go into

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01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: one of those tiger cages, like, let's say, and I'm

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01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: not talking about with like the tiny you know, like

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01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: the you know cubs, I'm talking about like the big,

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01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: full grown tigers. Would you be willing to walk into

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01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: one of those cages, not by yourself, but with any

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: of the employees or would you say there's no way

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01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: I'd let the employees go in first take the lap.

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01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: I would carefully evaluate whether the employee was slower than

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01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: I was, and then UM, yeah I would. I had

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01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: a Oh there was a thing I tweeted out on

1107
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: a pasture. The sign on the fence says, uh, don't uh,

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01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: don't enter this pasture unless you can make it all

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01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: the way across in nine seconds, because the bull can

1110
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: do it in ten. Would you ever run with the

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01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: bulls in Pamplona, By the way, I've always wanted to

1112
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: Did you do it if you were over in Spain?

1113
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,959
Speaker 1: Like it? Either you're or would you? I mean, would

1114
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: that be something you'd be willing to try? Yes, I

1115
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: would definitely do it. Um, I would definitely do it.

1116
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: A number of people, uh have My odds of survival

1117
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: are quite high. I would not be um, you know,

1118
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: back their waving stuff at him, you know, the first layer. Um.

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01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: And those that I've talked to that have done it,

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01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: um you know say, if you feel threatened, there's kind

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01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: of an edge to the thing and you kinda just

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01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: go to the side and get up there. I've also

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01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: heard that it's uh, and I don't know the exact

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01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: logistics of it. It's a little bit slower process. Uh, um,

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01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: than you think. And with that said, um, they say

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01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: the people out there doing it are hammered. Have been

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01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: up all night about that? Have you ever done it?

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Speaker 1: I would do it now? I don't know. I don't

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01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: know if I would do it now. Your kids are grown, right,

1130
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Speaker 1: So I when I think about taking risk now, I think,

1131
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: you know, my kids are so young. I don't want

1132
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,439
Speaker 1: to do something incredibly stupid when I got a five

1133
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: year old, but I wouldn't be I'm not afraid of

1134
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: doing it when there you know, like graduated from high school.

1135
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: Does that makes sense? Like? I feel like when you

1136
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: have young kids, your risk tolerance goes down because you're like, hey,

1137
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I get them to adulthood.

1138
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: And then once you get them to adulthood, you're like, okay,

1139
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: I can do. You know, I'm pretty good shape now. Well,

1140
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: growing up, I grew up around livestock too. You know

1141
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 1: you're familiar with it in Wyoming. Yeah, And so, I

1142
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: mean it wasn't really running with the bulls, but you're

1143
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: there's times where you're end up a little closer to

1144
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: livestock than you'd like, or all of a sudden they

1145
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: start hit one side of the craft line. It gets

1146
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: a little crowded, but get up. Yeah, I would do

1147
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 1: it all right. These are fantastic. I think we knocked

1148
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: almost all of them out. People want to know if

1149
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: you went to the winny Wood Exotic Animal Park, but

1150
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 1: we already know that that you did. And I think

1151
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: we talked about that already. Um and let me just

1152
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: scroll through the man I didn't. I didn't know it

1153
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: was there. Oh. The other the other curious interesting thing

1154
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: one is is that other animal park they're building. It

1155
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: sounded like they just pulled up stakes and stopped, and

1156
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: who knows where all those animals went. I don't know. Yeah,

1157
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: that's one thing that I had a question about at

1158
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: the end was what happened to all the animals as

1159
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: they as they made the decision? What do you think

1160
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: that somebody said, what do you think the the odds

1161
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: are of of the relationship between Jeff and his his

1162
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: the woman, his wife who was having a baby. What

1163
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: do you think the odds are they stay stay married forever?

1164
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: Initially I didn't I would have said no, but you know,

1165
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: I think that you know, they were always kind of together.

1166
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: I don't know the backstory or whatever, but Uh. To

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01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: be honest, they did kind of strike me as being

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01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: into one another. I mean those Joe's uh uh sometimes

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01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: you call them wives, sometimes you call him husbands. They

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01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: seemed a little more uh at a convenience, just general lifestyle.

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01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: His wife actually struck me as cunning into him. I

1172
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: think she was. I think she was kind of buying

1173
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: all the bravado he was selling. You know, yeah, I

1174
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: don't think there's uh, I don't think there's any doubt

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01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: at all. Coach, this has been fantastic. Where are you,

1176
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: by the way, what part of the country are you

1177
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: in right now? Well, I'm in Key West. What happened

1178
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: with us was we're in the middle of springbreak and

1179
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: anxiously getting ready to start spring ball at the end

1180
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: of spring break. And then they said, all right, everybody

1181
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: stay where you're at and extend springbreak another week because

1182
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 1: they weren't they didn't want anybody on campus. And and

1183
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:46,560
Speaker 1: now it's currently extended to uh April fifteen. So, um,

1184
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: we've got as many as we can tucked away uh

1185
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: doing online academics and um, you know, just kind of

1186
01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: waiting for the go ahead. Really, Um, we've got a

1187
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: few on campus. Um. Uh you know, once in the dorm.

1188
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: If they filled up special pay work didn't have anywhere

1189
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: else to go, they can stay in the dorm. Uh.

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01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,600
Speaker 1: We have about twelve and start telling about six of

1191
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: them are from start telling the others just stay at

1192
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: their apartment because I guess it was better than their

1193
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: home condition. And so uh the symes seemed to be

1194
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: going smoothly, I mean relatively speaking. I mean, nobody's uh

1195
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: really happy about it, but everybody, hopefully everybody is uh

1196
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: finding productive ways to use their time and continuing to

1197
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: grow as people. You know, no doubt, and the best

1198
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: way you can grow as a person sitting around watching

1199
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: seven hours of the Tiger King Coach. This has been fantastic.

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01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: We need to do it again sometime soon in the

1201
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: future when you we both watched a show and we

1202
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: both are interested in it. I think people are gonna

1203
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: absolutely love this. I hope you guys have enjoyed it.

1204
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: I'm Clay Travis. He's Mike Leach, MISSISIPI state football coach.

1205
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: Go find him on Twitter at coach Underscore Leach. Let

1206
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: him know how much you enjoyed the podcast here. Thanks

1207
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: for all the great questions, uh, and thanks for hanging

1208
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: out with us. This has been Wins and Losses Tiger

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Speaker 1: King Edition. Thanks for hanging