WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Taking the Lead 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.680 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:07.320 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:17.000 Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:17.560 Yes? 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:19.439 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:20.239 Absolutely? 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.599 Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that. 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:29.000 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:35.760 Were with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us, Patrick Walker and 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:36.960 Derek Eagleton. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.960 It is Wednesday, May twenty second, twenty twenty four, Season twenty, 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:44.040 episode number eight. 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:45.639 Welcome to the latest edition of. 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:47.839 The Break, presented by LG. We were a live from 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.240 the SWBC Mortgage studios at the starting today, we're gonna 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:52.280 have a lot of different things we're going to talk about. 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.120 We're into our position series. We are in a segment 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.000 two of that. Last week we hit quarterback and that 0:00:58.040 --> 0:00:59.120 was the only position that we hit. 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:00.640 Today we'll hit a few more. We're going to go 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:02.120 over to the defensive side of the ball. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.920 Talk a little bit about the secondary safety position, the 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.880 cornerback position, also the linebacker position, maybe if we can 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:10.440 get to it, but we'll see how it goes today 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:12.920 and see how far we get on our SWAT analysis 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:13.880 of each of those positions. 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:14.280 I want to. 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.759 Start first though, OTAs, let's talk about it. Cowboys will 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.320 be starting, Actually they start at the OTAs yesterday. 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:21.759 It will run through this. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.840 Week and then again next week, and then they'll have 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.360 their mini camp the week following, and then they'll have 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.920 a little break as well. We so let's start with 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:30.720 the OTAs. Tell me what are you watching? 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:32.000 What are you looking for this week? 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.800 As the Cowboys are getting started and have their full 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.040 team on the field for the first time. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.640 I think, to me, where my experience of dealing with 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.720 these before is that the rookie mini camp you kind 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.600 of watch them getting stances and practice, getting into stance 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.680 and learning where the practice field is and all that stuff. 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.280 Now it's a little bit more and Mike McCarthy talked 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.160 about a little bit about the pace of practice and 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:00.920 things like that, and that's where I think that these 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.640 rookies they're going to throw a lot at these guys initially, 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:05.960 and then they're going to see who can sink, and 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:07.840 who can swim, and who can sink a little bit, 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:09.160 you know, and then they'll think, Okay, this is the 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.240 way we're going to have to coach this kid. The 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.960 veterans at a great advantage here. You know, and the 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.080 rookies are just trying to like their heads are going 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.160 to be spinning. And so what you're going to watch 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.919 for is how many And he mentioned this they had 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.639 some some pre snap stuff that they had to deal 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:26.959 with that they'll clean up. But what you're going to 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:28.720 watch is you're going to see where are they going 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.359 to put these rookies in relation to the other veteran players. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:34.799 Are they running with the two's, are they running with 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:36.640 the threes, or are they running with their own group? 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.760 You know? And once it might be elevated a little. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.240 Bit, you say their own group of time about rookies, Yeah, 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:41.680 the other. 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:45.040 Yeah, like there's like the undrafted guys or the maybe 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.800 the first year players or stuff like that. Maybe you 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.400 know the players right now, maybe players you know, eighty 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.040 three with eighty six or whatever they got on the ross. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.240 You know, the see they might be running with guys 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.000 like that. And then as you see them progress, you 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.200 might say, okay, now they move them up, they move 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.399 them and every week you might see a guy move 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.600 up every week that like, okay, we need to give 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.200 this guy more. We're seeing more, or maybe guys will 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.240 stay where they're at. So what you do is you 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:12.480 find that you find that where are the bases where 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.440 they're gonna start, and then how by the time we 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.920 get to break that this where they've got these guys place, 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:21.639 and that will give you an idea of what they're 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.200 thinking about doing with these guys this summer when we 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:24.960 get the Ox start. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.679 Yeah, I mean it's like mich McCarthy just said, they're 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.720 going to have eight full installs, and you know OTA's 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.000 are going to be more so targeted towards rookies. Like 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.760 Brian said, veterans are going to come in and they 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.760 have an upperhand obviously, But the goal for the Cowboys 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.920 is to get all of the installs and all of 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.440 the playbook information put in front of these rookies and 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.200 have them to the point where once OTA's is over 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.400 and once mini camp is concluded, that they have everything 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.280 they need to go into training camp and try their 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:53.839 best to hit the ground running. So that's the first 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.880 part of it. Second part of it is, as Brian said, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:02.119 trying to see who's lining up and with what group, right, 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.160 So take Cooper bb for example, or take Tyler Guitton 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.040 for example. Although we believe they have an excellent chance 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.040 of starting in their respective positions center and left tackle. 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.480 Maybe that doesn't happen right out of the gate. Maybe 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.840 it's brock Hoffman at you know, for the first team 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.960 with the first team in Dak Prescott at center and Truemaydoga, 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.880 whereas with the second team with Cooper Rush slash Trey Lance. 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.400 Now you're looking at Cooper BB and Tyler Guy and 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.880 looking at those guys, Nathan Thomas, the seventh round pick 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.200 on the defensive side, justin Rodgers, where is he playing? 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.039 Is he definitely nose tackle or are they trying to 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:34.479 see if they can get something out of him at 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.840 three take So it'll be interested in those positions as well, 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.360 Kayln Carson. They're going to start him, I don't mean 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.440 as a starter, but they're going to begin him on 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.200 the outside. But also they want to see if he 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.240 can do some flex in the nickel as well, So 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.200 that'll be interesting. So that those are some things I'm 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:47.880 really keeping Now. 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.000 Yeah, I've said this before, I'll say it again. This 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.840 is to me one of the most exciting parts of 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.920 this time because this is when you finally see the root. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.479 He's merging with the veterans and you get to see 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:07.160 the visual of it, what you actually are working with now, 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.520 and how does that look, even though not everyone's necessarily 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.000 gonna be where they're gonna end up being at the 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.800 end of by the time the season starts, but you 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:20.000 see everyone just merging together. And again, the Cowboys, they're 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:25.360 really great at acclimating the players, I think that's the 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.039 right word, just getting them to where you're not just 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:32.200 throwing them in deep waters letting them drown or like swim, 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.240 You're they're they're gonna be good at just letting them 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.400 kind of get the system in, get the and they've 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:42.400 been in meetings learning the books and the plays and 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.840 the scheme and all of that already. But it's just 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.719 for me right now because you're not gonna get a 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.000 whole lot of action. That's like training camp. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:52.159 Whoa great. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.240 But yeah, it's more of the visual of like, Okay, okay, 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.560 I can work with this, or maybe, ah, crap, this 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.159 is not looking visually you know, this is the time 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.839 to kind of start getting the first taste of that. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.039 Yeah. What they'll do though, too, is when this is 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.680 all over with veterans and stuff, will go home or 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.280 go to their wherever they stay for a little bit 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.320 before drinking, and then the rooki yeah, and then the 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:16.640 rookie stay and work. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:17.000 Yeah. 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.000 So anything that they might not pick up, and some 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.920 coaches will stay around maybe and help some guys out 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:24.800 if they're here or not. They'll take a break too. 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.280 But you get him into that weight program, you get 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:28.880 him a little bit more strong or a little bit 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.360 more acclimate to the quickness of the game, the strength 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.279 of the game. You get him built up. But you 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.440 can also teach him some stuff too along the way. 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.880 So anything that they might struggle with, you could circle 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:41.960 back and say, Okay, we need to work with these 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.880 guys on this particular thing. Like I remember with Michael Parsons, 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:47.680 they threw him in the deep end of the pool. 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.719 We talked about sink or swim, but they threw him in. 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:52.400 There was a lot I remember dan Quinn was doing 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.480 a lot of things with him right off the jump, 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.479 and Mike had never seemed to bat an eye at that, 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.400 you know. So you'll see guys that do that. And 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.919 that's where I could say from there'll be a base 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.440 level and then there'll be a final level that you'll 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:06.920 see before they get the ox Star. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.520 And I'm also looking for you know, and talk about 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.480 guys like Marshawn Neeland as well. You know, how quickly 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.960 can he progress under a guy like Greg Ealli's former 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.280 you know, Cowboys pro bowler, who's going to focus on 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:22.400 the edge rushers While I'm trying to pronounce his. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.480 Last name, Please don't kill me? Is the Z silent? 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:25.160 Is it Gonina? 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:30.320 I believe the one we postina? There we go his demeanor. 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.600 He's going to be focused more so on like the 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:37.240 interior guys. So when Masi Smith is cleared, what does 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.040 Goneina look like with coaching up Misi Smith? 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.440 What does Greg Yllis look like coaching up marshaan Eland. 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.600 But from an overall standpoint, I'm going to be looking 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:50.720 to see what rookies specifically are seeking information versus those 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:54.120 that are waiting to be given information. So I'm keeping 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.600 eye on guys who are going up to coaches and 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.160 assistant coaches and other players, Like is Marshan Nelan really 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.120 gluing himself to Marcus Lawrence and staying in his hip 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.880 pocket or is he just using as an example or 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:06.680 is he waiting for a guy like greglas to come 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.400 up and say, hey, this is where you can improve 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.440 or is it a combination of the two. Those guys 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.760 who tend to stip and stick to the hip pocket 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.160 of guys like DeMarcus Lawrence or Kaylyn Carson with Deron 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.440 Bland so Georgean Lewis, those are probably the rookies who 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.640 want to progress more quickly than the ones that are 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:23.680 kind of sitting back waiting to be told what to do. 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:24.640 Yeah. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:29.640 The one notable absence so far after yesterday and probably 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:31.680 will be after the rest of the week Michael Parsons. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:33.640 He did speak to a couple people in the media. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.080 I think Michael Gelkin was one of them, James later 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.960 as well, and what he talked about really was, Yeah, 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.199 I'm not here this week. I'm still continuing my off 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.319 season training. He does some off season training and a 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.880 lot of boxing work actually part of his regimen. But 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:48.640 he does that and he's going to continue to do 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.000 that this week, and then he'll be here. 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.079 Next week as well as the week after. 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:56.880 And my thought was, I don't think anybody questions Michael 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.400 Parson's ability to be able to play football and prepare 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.559 himself to play football. I think he plays football extremely 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.559 well and so for that you have to give him 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.320 the credit of he knows obviously what his body's like. 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.040 My question is more on the line of being a leader. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.559 And he actually talked in the interview that he did 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:16.240 with Michael Gelkin about this team needing his leadership and 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.920 him having to step up in that way. And Michael 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.080 even asked us astuteley the question, how does it how 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.160 you make those two things go together when you say 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.000 you need to be a leader, but then you're also 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.920 not there for everything. But my question for you guys 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.480 is do you think that in any way this harms 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.679 his ability to be a leadership by not being here? Again, 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:38.800 I don't think anybody's question his ability to play football 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.480 and prepare himself to play football. But on the leadership side, 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.400 do you think that in any way inhibits his ability 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.320 to be a great leader for this team but not 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:46.360 being here for everything? 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.200 Yeah, I think it does. We had this discussion on 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.240 one O five to three the Fan yesterday about this 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:55.960 and not everybody could be Dak Prescott. Not everybody could 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.400 build a football field in their backyard at their home 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:00.760 and encourage guys to s show up. He goes, I'm 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.080 going to be out here working, you know, if you 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:03.640 want to come out and work with me. I'll be 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.160 happy to have you here. It's a different way of leading. 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.160 I do think it hurts that. I think that people. 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.400 You know, when you're out here every day and you're 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:16.559 working and it's a voluntary situation, everybody else is out 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.000 here working as well. And so there's a lot of 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.760 young guys on this team that haven't played with Michael Parsons, 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.000 a lot of young defensive players that haven't played with 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.280 Michael Parsons. You know, So there's You're absolutely right, there's 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:32.400 no question about his ability to play football. I said 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.560 this yesterday. I don't think I think he talks about 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.240 wanting to be a leader, but I don't think he 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.280 wants to be a leader. That's just my opinion about 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.440 the player. I think that he I think Michaeh Parsons 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.960 has a lot of other interests. I think he has 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.079 I think he wants to do things his own way. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.120 I think football is such a regimented thing for him 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:55.320 from July through January that he realizes that, Okay, that's 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.360 my part to be regimented. But when it comes to 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.400 the other things, I think he wants to go do 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.080 his own thing, and I mean personally though, to be 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.480 a leader, you have to show up every single day 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.840 and put in the work. And he puts in the work, 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.840 but he puts it in the work his way, not 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:16.840 the organizational way or the team way of doing things. So, uh, 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.439 we could talk about being a leader, but if you're 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.720 not showing up, I think it's hard for you to 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:22.560 be that leader. 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.480 I would like him to be here or have been here. 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.360 Obviously we'll focus on the word voluntary. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.559 So do voluntary right, right, But there's a lot of 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.240 voluntary going on, So absolutely, I don't think that's that's 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:37.800 even going back to what I was saying. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.720 I would prefer that he have been here up to 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:43.480 this point for all the reasons you said. And but 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.679 I had this conversation with some colleagues a couple of 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.160 weeks ago wherein the question becomes when you're talking about 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.559 Michael Parsons or anyone in the National Football League leader 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:57.160 versus elite player. Not every elite player is designed to 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.000 be a leader, and not every leader is going to 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.199 be an elite player. Question is what do you which 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.480 one of those does Michael Parsons fall into? And I 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.200 think he falls into the former where he's an elite player, 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.640 but he may never be that leader that you want. 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.000 If that kind of leadership you're looking for is the 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.360 Dak Prescott kind of leadership, that you're not going to 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.680 get a Dak Prescott kind of leadership with Michael Parsons. 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.480 I don't think that that's how he's wired. But he's 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.160 an elite player. So in that capacity, his production on 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:28.160 the field will help motivate those younger guys and they'll 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.120 learn from his techniques and he'll they'll be able to 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.760 pick his brain in practices and so forth and so on. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.400 But if you're I think if you're expecting him to 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.240 be at any point in his career to become that 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.720 Dak Prescott type guy, I think you're kind of setting 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:46.000 yourself up for disappointment. And for me, it's all about expectation. 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:47.840 I want him here, I want him to be able 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:49.720 to be that guy. But then at a certain point, 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.280 maybe he's just not and you're just gonna have to 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:53.760 work with what it is. 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.440 I think too, I was just gonna say that to me. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.199 I think not everyone's meant to be a leader, and 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.800 that's okay, and it should be okay just because you're great. 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.079 Just because you're such a great football player doesn't mean 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:12.360 that you should be forced to lead and to mentor 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.480 other people. That should be a choice and we should 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.920 be okay with that not being the case for someone 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:21.040 like him. It's totally fine. Where it becomes a problem 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.520 for me and I love Michael Parson the player and everything, 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:29.080 But where it just makes me raise an eyebrow is 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.520 more the teammate type of thing. Are you being a 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.160 teammate because this is a teamwork and you should be 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.600 part of the team and you should be here during 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:42.600 this time when OTAs have started, And more so than that, 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:47.320 after seeing certain talks that happened throughout the season last 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:52.160 year where his teammate likeness or I don't even know 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:56.400 the word was in question where and I'm saying, I'm saying, like, 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.760 are you throwing somebody under the bus during some interviews? 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:04.440 Are you upset because you didn't make great plays during 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.679 the game but somebody else did? But yeah, you're having 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.440 a sad face round. So I'm saying, when things like 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:14.720 that are talked about throughout the season, are you really 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.559 wanting to It's up to you whether you want to 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.920 be part of the team or do you want to 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.040 keep playing quote unquote solo and be your own person. 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.080 And for a sport like this, it does matter. It 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.080 doesn't matter what happens in the locker room. It does 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:33.120 matter for you to start and keep on building these 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:37.400 relationships because it does, really, it does translate on the 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.080 field when you have a really good connection with your 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:45.200 teammates and when you don't. And I think that could 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.000 and this is just me as speculating this is, but 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.280 if this is the trend that's going to occur during 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:55.120 the season, I think that could potentially lead to some 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.600 undesirable things as far as like teammate teamwork environment and 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:00.720 what happens in the locker room. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.520 Yeah, I think he's put his coaches in a bad 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.480 position right here. And and if dan Quinn was still here, 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.840 his defensive coordinator and everything was still the same, I 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.200 could understand being away. But the fact that you have 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.280 a new defensive coordinator here and new coaches as well, 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.760 you know, on the staff, and a big turnover on 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.840 the defensive staff. You know, I think you being here 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.680 is important for that, you know, just for your own 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.080 good for the coaches. See, it's hard for coaches to 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.600 deal with players that are superstar players because you have 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.400 to walk that line. You have to walk that line 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.800 about like I do I say something here? Do I 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.560 not say something here? You know, Mike McCarthy, of course 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.680 is going to talk positively about Michael Parsons. But where 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.280 but where we need to kind of focus on this 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.120 is and is that Yeah, he is a great player. 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.040 But on the other end, I don't need you talking 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.560 about being a leader if you're not willing to do 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.560 everything to lead. That's the disconnect that I have right there. 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.400 That's the problem. If I was working in the front office, 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.680 I'm like, Okay, let's not ask this guy to lead. 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.360 Then let's not ask him to be one of our 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:08.160 guys that way. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.840 And this is why I don't have so much of 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.480 an issue with Ceedee Lamb not being in the building 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.040 at the moment. First of all, it's two different conversations 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.840 because one is up for a contract talk right now. 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.680 But also something Brian pointed out and I pointed out 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.360 on Twitter a couple of days ago, there's been so 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.280 much change on the defensive side of the ball that 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.720 you would want Michael Parsons to be here, be present, 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.040 meet these new coaches in person, granted he's been having 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.400 the meetings and quote unquote he's not behind on anything. 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:36.360 Per Mike McCarthy. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:37.800 We get all of that, but there's something to be 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.440 said for you being in the building and on the 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.680 field with these guys. But from a CD Lamb standpoint, 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.640 other than adding a quality assist it on the offense, 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.480 everything's pretty much the same, right, It's the same playbook, 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.920 it's the same franchise quarterback. You got some changes up 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.520 front on the offensive line, but there's nothing that Cedee 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.680 Lamb is risking getting behind on because there's not been 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.560 that attrition in the coaching. There's not been that much 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.080 attrition on the offensive side of the ball. You got 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.399 it familiar, got back if anything, and Ezekiel Elliot in 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.199 your backfield. So I think that when you're people are 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:11.359 comparing the two things, they're making the two things seem 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.080 the same, but they're not the same at all. I 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.440 feel like those are two different conversations. So from the 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.399 CD Lamb front, it's much easier for him to come in. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.400 Whenever he does come in, hopefully it's stoot fourth Mini camp, 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.680 but you know training camp as possibility as well. Whenever 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.480 ceed Lamb does report, it's much of a greater chance 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.200 that he will hit the ground running versus when Michael 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.280 Parson shows up next week and now has to start 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.040 kind of prepping his way to get ready for mini 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.159 camp and slowly little ramp up because there's been so 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:38.080 much change on the defense. 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.399 Also, players understand and see when when it is a 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.880 contract thing, they're like, hey, you do your thing different 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.000 potentially in a position like that eventually, but then when 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.320 it's just by your own choice, it's more like, oh, 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:53.760 once you finally get there, you're too good to be 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.040 out here with us working. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.440 And that's I guess that's where I was going to 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:58.720 go with this, and I'll say this before we go 0:17:58.720 --> 0:17:58.960 to break. 0:17:59.040 --> 0:17:59.640 Gotta get a break. 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.720 But one of the things that I think has to 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.440 be factored in here is that, to me, leadership starts 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:08.240 and ends with respect. If the people that are supposedly 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.480 following this leader respect him and respects the decisions that 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.000 he or she are making, then he can be a 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.120 leader and he will be a leader. If not, then 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.720 everything goes away. And so the question, which I don't 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.040 think any of us can necessarily answer, a lot of 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:24.080 those guys in the locker room have to answer it 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.760 is do they respect him and respect this decision of 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:27.720 him not being here? 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:29.080 How do they see it? 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.680 Do they see it as guy, as you said, you're 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.080 too good to be out here with us, so you 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:34.919 don't have time to be out here with us, or 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:36.840 do they see it as I get it, that's cool, 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:38.560 we'll see you next week. And when you show up 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.080 next week, he's ready to go and he's talking and 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:42.160 guys are following. 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:42.960 If that's the. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.920 Case, this means nothing. This week means absolutely nothing. Now 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.040 if it's different. If next week he shows up and 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:50.639 those people are looking at him, that's when I think 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.680 there's a question. And that's really more for his teammates 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.159 to answer, more so than even him. Is how do 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:57.720 they perceive him? Do they respect it? 0:18:57.840 --> 0:18:59.560 Or do they not. We're gonna take our first break. 0:18:59.560 --> 0:18:59.959 When we come back. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.439 We'll jump into our position analysis. We're talking about safeties 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.359 when we get back. Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:07.200 Todd thought it would be secure to jog in the 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.200 Cheatah Savannah. 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If you 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:13.679 guys remember from last week, let's talk about the safety position. 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:18.760 You've got Mali Cooker, Donovan Wilson, Marquise Bell, Janya Thomas, 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.600 is Reel mcwamu Amani Johnson. 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:22.080 Julius Wood. 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.160 These are names that are on the roster right now 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:27.480 as safeties on this team. Let's start first with strengths. 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:30.200 If you have to identify one strength of this position group, 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:31.840 what would it be Patricklet's start with. 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:38.160 You versatility, and that versatility comes from Malie Hooker being 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.439 able to be a true center fielder in conjunction with 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.160 Donovan Wilson being able to be kind of that heat 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.159 seeking missile for you, right, So he can give you 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.240 some coverage, but he can also be a guy that 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:48.960 helps you in run defense. He can be a guy 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.640 that you sent sent at the opposing quarterback and blitz 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.359 packages and then you know, similarly goes for Janya Tummas, 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:58.520 which is why in instances where jay Ron Curse was 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:01.119 unable to take the field, Wya Thomas was able to 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.600 step in and help you cover tight ends and things 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:05.720 like that. Now that Marquise Bell has been moved back 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.800 to defensive back back to safety, he's going to give 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.159 you that same kind of flexibility as well as far 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.200 as cover, but he can also play forward as well. 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:15.560 So and if you look at the size of some 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.400 of these rookies, Woods being one of them, these are 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:20.440 him specifically. 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:21.840 That's a massive safety. 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.040 So much so that when he was walking through mini 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:28.840 camp and I walked up behind him from behind, he 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:31.159 looked like a linebacker and they were like, oh no, 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:33.119 that's the rookie safety, and I was like, wow, okay, 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:35.000 so that guy can do some damage. So for me, 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:38.280 it's versatility and they still have some questions to answer. Obviously, 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:40.480 you love what won Ye Thomas was able to do 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:42.879 in year two, Marquise Bell as well, but it's specifically 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:45.640 one ye at safety. He drew some high praise from 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:50.160 Al Harris as well, but with presumably Jeron Curse not returning, 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:51.920 I don't believe that he will. This is going to 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.680 be won Ye Thomas' job going forward, and I want 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.240 to see him in a starter capacity, but versatility is 0:23:57.240 --> 0:23:57.919 going to be it for me. 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:03.240 Physicality I think with you you talked about Wilson, Thomas, Bell, 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:06.840 you mentioned the young kids with Johnson and Wood. These 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.720 guys all tackle and they're all physical players. Where they're 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:11.480 going to have to figure out is how can they 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:14.879 play the back end of this And hopefully Mollie Cooker, 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:16.320 you know, will give you a little bit of that 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:19.320 with some depth. But when you're talking about this team, 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:21.720 they got some safety. These are willing to play forward 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:23.880 and willing to tackle, and I think that's the thing 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:25.800 that we have to kind of look at going forward 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:27.640 here is that who is going to be the guy 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:30.119 that plays the deep part. They've got the guys that 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:33.239 can play underneath and handle that. But Mike Zimmer's an 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:37.240 interchangeable guy. So those guys that play down are going 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:39.159 to also have to be able to cover some So 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:41.679 whoever figures that out or likely the guys that are 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:42.639 going to be on this field. 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:47.159 Yeah, I agree with everything. I think that after the 0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:52.880 long drought of safeties, the lack of safeties, capable safeties, 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:55.680 I think you still have a group that with all 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.600 these guys, every single name. These are guys that have 0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:02.760 shown you different moments that they're capable and that they 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.479 have something that excites you and that drive you talk 0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:08.239 about tackling that haves that that have that kind of 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:13.440 aggressiveness to go forward on the play. And yeah, still 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:17.680 you know, with Donovan Wilson, I a little sad last 0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:20.000 year about it, but I still have hopes on him 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:22.840 as far as like his play level. He didn't kind 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:25.520 of show up to the level I expected him to, 0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:28.400 but yeah, overall a solid group. 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:31.879 That's the interesting thing about Donovan Wilson throughout there. I 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:33.840 think he actually got better as the season went along. 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:36.400 To me, I think he started earlier in the season, 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:38.680 but I think as the season went along, we started 0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:40.600 to see more of that Donovan Wilson that we'd seen, 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:42.880 that that that they that they wanted, that they ended 0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:45.880 up paying because I think he showed up a little later. 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:47.720 Talk to me about what do you think the biggest 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:49.040 weakness is of that position group. 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:51.399 They need to get better at taking the ball away. 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.000 We talk a lot about what Trevon Diggs can do 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.240 and taking the ball away, uh dron Bland, but those 0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:00.720 are two you know, one rating NFL in exceptions leader, 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:03.439 one former NFL interceptions leader, Jordan Lewis can take the 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:05.560 ball away also in run defense as well, just as 0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:08.159 Christian McCaffrey. But when you look at the safeties, you 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.439 had Donovan Wilson, he actually led the safety group, but 0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:13.920 with only two interceptions. Malie Hooker had only one interception 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:15.960 last season. Ony Ye Thomas, for all the promise that 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:18.320 he brings, he had no interceptions, but he had opportunities. 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:20.719 I think on two different occasions the ball hit him 0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:22.240 in the hands and he just didn't come up with it. 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:25.360 So for me, if the Cowboys safeties can figure out 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:29.479 how to match serve in that category with the Cowboys cornerbacks. 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:30.880 There will be a lethal group back there. 0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:33.920 Who's the interchangeable guy at the other end, I mean, 0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:36.639 Elie Hooker could probably be the guy that has the 0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:39.399 best for that. I don't know if particularly if you 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:41.280 want to put Wilson in a lot of coverage. I 0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:44.000 think jan Ye Thomas can cover. Bell to me is 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.080 a little bit of a shorter guy, so I don't 0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.640 know how well you want to play him in coverage. 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.280 We'll see with Johnson. When I was watching his tape 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.000 in Woods tape, the two rookies, they seem to be 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:56.840 guys that had some coverability. But who out of this 0:26:56.920 --> 0:27:00.760 group besides Hooker can really cover? So that's question I'll 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:02.080 have going through this. 0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:05.679 Real quick on that. What are your thoughts on Mkwalme's ability. 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:06.560 To Yeah, that's the thing about it. 0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:08.800 I've been waiting for him since two thousand and two, 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:10.520 to you know, I know he was drafted in the 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.200 sixth round in two thousand and one. I'm just him, 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:16.000 nay Sean Wright. Those are a couple of guys that 0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.240 you know, a third round guy, a sixth round guy. 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:20.479 You know, they look the part. But I've been waiting 0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.639 for both these guys to play now it seems like 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:28.160 for three years, you know, so, yeah, is that a possibility. Sure, 0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:31.199 we'll Zimmer get something out of him that way in 0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.600 the coverage aspect, I hope. But they're gonna have somebody's 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.000 gonna have to step up, you know. When you're talking 0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:39.480 about coverage, they're not gonna it's just not the single high, 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.159 played down in the box defense that we've seen the 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:44.440 last several years. These guys have got to be able 0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:46.920 to play some coverage and somebody has to figure that out. 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.639 I can't find the right word, the right adjective that 0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:55.679 I'm looking for. But and it's not like consistency, because 0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:59.600 that's not really it. But I would like them to 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:06.399 be more independent, if that makes sense, rather than consistent, Like, 0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:10.120 don't be the supportive supporter. I can't find out more 0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:14.280 you're talking about getting turnovers and things like that. Just 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:18.639 be more of an independent player where you're the solid 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.840 guy making your own plays rather than being the supportive 0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:26.200 cast memory exactly. That's kind of what I'm trying to say. 0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:31.080 But overall, there's still room for growth in that area 0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:34.280 where they could really elevate and help elevate the defense. 0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.119 But you know, it's funny you talk about turnovers. Patrick, 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:41.160 Mike Zimmers already really kind of apologized in the way says, listen, 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.640 our scheme might not be for everybody when it comes 0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:46.560 to creating turnovers. And if you're a Cowboy fan, you know, 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:48.320 we come on here in week five and we start 0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:51.240 talking about, you know, the secondary having created turnovers. But 0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:53.440 if they're not giving up big plays and they're tackling 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:55.840 and all that, this might be the trade off of 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.480 the new scheme. You know, Mike has already said, hey, listen, 0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:01.800 we might not create a as many turnovers as we've 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:05.120 seen here the last several years. So that's something you know, 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.200 when we talk about turnovers and as a group, that 0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:10.360 something that might not happen just because of the way 0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:11.240 they played the scheme. 0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:11.760 Yeah. 0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.400 So the interesting part about that is not getting as 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:17.240 many turnovers has an inverse effect. It means the offense 0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:20.680 has a lot more pressure now to take seventy seventy 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:24.440 five eight r drives to get a touchdown, whereas before 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.880 you were getting short fields. That changes a lot of things, 0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:28.360 and it puts a lot of pressure on your offense. 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.200 And we'll see if the offense is capable of being 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:34.000 able to handle that added pressure. Let's talk about opportunities, 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:35.840 and if you remember what I was getting at here 0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:37.800 is what is an unknown right now? 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:38.920 What's a question mark. 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:40.600 For them that you think has the best potential to 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:41.440 become an asset. 0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:44.720 Le'll start with you, Patrick, question mark has the potential 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:47.360 to become the best asset. 0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:48.760 You know. 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:50.920 I'm going to go with I'm going to put a 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:55.320 draw circle around Marquise Bell here because I think that 0:29:55.560 --> 0:30:01.680 Marquise's trick in the linebacker corps last year can pay 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:05.160 dividends for him going forward as a defensive back. Whatever 0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:07.320 any positives that he was able to take away from 0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:09.760 his time as linebacker, yeh, there was some negatives obviously, 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.840 you know size and size, But I think there are 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.280 some positives that he can take away that will help him, 0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.680 from a safety standpoint, be better at helping that group 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.240 defend the run and helping the defensive backs defend the run. 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.040 And if that comes to fruition, then that goes to 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:27.240 the overall run support that the Cowboys need or run 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.480 defense that the Cowboys need desperately in twenty twenty four. 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:33.000 So I would look for that as like an intangible 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.960 I just want to see how Marquis Bell's game has 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:39.080 changed twenty twenty two versus twenty twenty four because of 0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:40.480 what occurred in twenty twenty three. 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.680 Donovan Wilson becomes a better cover guy, that would help 0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:46.600 because he's already got the physicality for the run defense stuff. 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:48.920 It's either him or jan Ye Thomas. I think wan 0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:50.960 Ye Thomas is really more of a complete player. I 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.120 think he covers well. I think he tackles well. I 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.360 think he's a physical player. That's going to be a 0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:57.880 battle for that spot right there. I really do believe 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.360 that Wanya Thomas is putting on way he's work out. 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.760 He looks bigger, he looks you know, who can cover. 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.600 If Donovan Wilson can cover, then that's the one thing 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.800 that that will help this help this safety group a bunch. 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:10.920 You know, Like we talked about playing better in the 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:13.360 second half. The first half the season, he didn't play 0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.680 with any awareness at all. We remember the Arizona game, 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:17.440 you know, with some of the stuff that was happening there, 0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:19.959 guy's running right by him. And think so if they 0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:21.920 find a way to get him playing more as a 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.120 complete player, that will really help this group. 0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:28.040 Yeah, with Thomas, he's the one guy that I think 0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:34.200 there's more room for growth as far as there's more 0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:38.800 ability to do more things because with Hooker Bell mcguambal, 0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:40.880 I feel like you kind of know what you got there, 0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:43.040 and that's just kind of what it is to me. 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:46.080 Donovan Wilson, I think he still has a little bit 0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.600 of just kind of stepping taking the next step, but 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:53.640 it's not too far. But Juania Thomas, he's a guy 0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:57.760 that he has the speed, he can move very fast 0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:01.520 and easily. He has the ability, he's not afraid of tackling. 0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:06.240 He's still young. He so there's just more things that 0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:09.040 excite me that I think he can grow and develop 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.840 into even a more solid player for you that can 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:16.240 contribute even more on the defense. So that's a guy 0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:17.560 that I would say, we've. 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:19.280 Got to get this last break. We'll come back when 0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:21.640 we finish up. We'll finish up on the safety conversation 0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:23.600 and talk a little bit about too, what jay Ron 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:26.080 Curse's APPSCE may mean for this position, if anything. 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Now, 0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.560 coaches adjust their schemes all the time, but there's a 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.880 specific way that Mike likes to play his safeties. And 0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:41.399 if they don't get that interchangeable way. Is there one 0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:44.040 guy or there are several guys that can't that they're 0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:46.479 all just down players and none of them can cover, 0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:49.480 then that's the that's the thing I think that I 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:50.400 would worry about. 0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:51.879 To answer your question. 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:54.919 I think their biggest threat lies in a different position group. 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:58.359 I think it's with the the interior of the defensive line. 0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:01.239 If the Cowboys cannot figure out out the interior of 0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.440 the defensive line, that means they're going to have troubles 0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:05.760 stopping the run. They're going to have troubles pushing the pocket, 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.960 the interior of the pocket on pass plays. And if 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:11.120 they're having trouble pushing the interior of the pocket, then 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.120 that allows quarterbacks to sit there comfortably and coverage windows 0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:17.040 begin to expand. And yet keep in mind Trevon Diggs, 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:19.239 he'll be back, but how much grace is he going 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.600 to need to get back to form things like that? 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.200 So that means the safeties and the secondary overall are 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:26.200 going to have to be that much more up to 0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.399 task to make sure that they're doing something. Number one, 0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:33.200 that they're stopping plays, pass breakups, tackling sound tackling. But 0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:35.319 also going back to what I said, they need to 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:37.960 improve upon takeaways. They would then the cruks would be 0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:39.640 on them, the onners would be on them to do 0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.800 more in the takeaway aspect. So the better, the defensive 0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:46.520 line plays, the less work they'll have on them from 0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.520 a play to play basis. But if that defensive line 0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:50.520 doesn't get worked out, then they're going to have their 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:52.360 hands cut off for them on the play to play basis. 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:57.000 I would agree with just them being able to adapt 0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:01.319 to this new whole system, similar to Brian mentioned with 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:03.960 Mike Zimmer, and I have full trust on Mike Zimmer 0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:06.840 and what he's trying to do with the defense, But 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:13.360 remind me, it was Mike Nolan, right, So with Mike Nolan, 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:16.520 we saw it because it can happen where players just 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:20.279 can't get a good grip of what is happening with you. 0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:23.960 Coach, we see that again, Coach again, You're hearing that 0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:28.640 a lot in practice. Coach, need to see that again exactly. 0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:32.680 I think, again, I don't think that will be the case, 0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:38.440 but it could happen. So it's just the transition of 0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.640 the difference in scheme and how quickly are they all 0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:44.560 able to adapt to this new coach correct. 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:44.759 If I'm wrong. 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.480 My understanding of Mike Zimmer's system is it's not as 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:48.960 complex as say, of Mike Nolan's. 0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:51.600 Yeah, I don't think. 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:53.680 I think that's one of the big things that should 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:55.160 make it a fairly easy transition. 0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:57.840 Now what he's asking, that's a whole different thing of whether. 0:37:57.640 --> 0:37:59.960 The guys are capable of maybe doing those things fit 0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:02.600 and as far as technique is concerned. But I don't 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:04.239 think it's going to be a mental thing for them. 0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:05.520 Well, Mary, I will. 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.560 Say this about Mike, this is my experience with him. 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:09.920 If you're not a smart guy and you bust, he's 0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:12.400 not gonna play it. He's not and so he's going 0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:14.520 to try and disguise things. He's going to try and 0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:18.719 make looks, make muddy looks for quarterbacks and offensive coordinators 0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:21.160 to deal with. But if you if you're a guy 0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:24.480 that constantly is having problems picking up what he's trying 0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.440 to do, he will he will play with a lesser player, 0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:30.040 then he will play with the star that that can't 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:33.200 pick it up. He's just not into you're in the busts. 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:35.839 He's just gonna he's gonna limit that thing. That thing 0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:37.839 that happened in Green Bay with they had all those 0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:41.040 guys in that playoff game running wide open that I 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:43.959 guarantee you that is not going to happen here. He's 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.440 not going to allow that to be the thing that 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.160 kills this defense of guys making mistakes when it comes 0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:51.719 to mental mistakes. 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:52.280 And what should happen. 0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.279 As far as helping players who are unfamiliar with Mike 0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:00.760 Zimmer acclimate fairly quickly. Talk about the addition of Eric Kendricks. 0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.000 We spoke with Kendricks a couple of times. He's already 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:06.399 said he's doing all he can, even before OTA's before 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:09.799 veterans and rookies got together to kind of help bring 0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.080 everyone up to speed on what Mike Zimmer's playbooks going 0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.120 to look like. Talk about Greg Ellis, former pro bowler, 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.439 but he played under Mike Zimmer, so he not only 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:20.920 knows the temperament of Mike Zimmer can deliver that information 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.840 to everyone involved, but he also understands what Zimmer is 0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:25.680 looking for, how he wants to structure a defense. So 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:28.279 between guys like Ellis and Kendricks, at least you have 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:31.919 those in house guys that know and it can pull 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:34.120 you DeMont Clark to the side, that Marveon rovshiulm to 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:35.920 the side, can pull Marshawn Neeland to the side, or 0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:38.680 even DeMarcus Launce Michael Parsons's to say, hey, this is 0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:40.840 how Quinn was doing it, but let me tell you 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:42.960 how Mike likes to do it, and that should help 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:44.839 them kind of hit the ground running a little bit 0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:46.400 better before training camp gets around. 0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:49.319 One big question mark for me this year is what 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:53.280 are the Cowboys going to do at safety without Jyron 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:55.760 Curse and not so much missing Jayaron Curse the player, 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.840 because I don't know if you'll have that kind of impact, 0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:01.160 but certainly from the standpoint of how they played defense 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:03.799 for the last couple of years, they really have used 0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:06.640 three safeties as though they were starters, and now they 0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.480 don't have that. My assumption is that nobody's gonna necessarily 0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:11.000 step into that role. I don't know if that's how 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.239 Mike will run his defense, But what do you guys 0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:15.359 think will be the biggest difference in not having jay 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:16.839 Ron curs as to be a part of this group. 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.400 And I don't want to be the mean guy, but 0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:22.440 his play was starting to go downhill, It really was, 0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:25.520 and you know it's effect, and maybe it was because 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.319 of the fact that he had to play so many 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:31.040 snaps hell him bell well, all those guys last year, 0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:33.000 I mean, they had to fill in. They didn't have linebackers, 0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:35.279 you know, and I'm saying that in a way of 0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:39.080 respect for the way that cursed, but at the end, 0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:42.479 he couldn't run well enough, the tackling was falling off 0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:45.000 and all that. So you know, they move on. 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:45.880 He moves on. 0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:48.680 He gave you a couple of great years, he really did. 0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:50.520 He was a leader in a lot of ways. He 0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:51.960 was a guy that stood up in front of the 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:54.400 media and told you what was going right arong. You 0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:58.560 respect a guy like that. But his play started to diminish, 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.120 and you know, once you watch the tape on that, 0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:03.719 you're like, okay, we got to move on. So I 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.400 you know, we all wish him the best, but you know, 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:08.280 like I said, I think it's one of those moves 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.600 that they made in a way of knowing that his 0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.760 play was declining to a point that we can't play 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.359 with a guy like that and have the type of 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:17.680 defense that we want. 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:23.359 I mean, jern in his first couple of seasons, I mean, 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:27.880 we saw him reach promet form under Dan Quinn. Last season, 0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:31.319 I think the injuries started to kind of take take 0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:33.799 this to take their toll. Everybody started to wear down 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:35.600 a little bit, and then guess what, you found out 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:37.359 when that started to happen, you start to find out 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.360 that one, yeah, Thomas is a hell of a ball player, 0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:42.359 and then that means you had to start looking at 0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:46.560 those two things happening concurrently. Whereas jay Ron he can 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:50.160 still play football in the NFL, but maybe he's on 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:52.160 the on the back end of his career. Whereas one 0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:55.480 Yea Thomas twenty twenty four and beyond, maybe he needs 0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:57.080 to get that nod. And I think the Cowboys went 0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:00.000 into the offseason this offseason with that exact thought process, 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:02.680 which is why they opted to not make an offer 0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:04.560 for jay Ron Curs, because they're looking at wan Yea 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:07.200 Thomas and marquispell moving back to safety and saying, hey, 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:10.200 we've got Malie Cooker lockdown on a new deal that 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:13.000 we gave him last July. We got Donavan Wilson lockdown 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:14.560 on a new deal we gave him last July. We 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:18.520 got these two young, promising, very very promising safeties, and 0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:20.880 maybe we still want to find out what if we 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.799 have anything in Mukuamu before his rookie contract is up. 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:26.080 So Jayron Curs, I do believe he can still play 0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:28.160 football in the NFL, but I just don't think he 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:30.319 was a fit any longer for what the Cowboys have 0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:30.919 going forward. 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:33.799 Yeah, he was definitely declining. And I think something that 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.799 you'll miss though, is that I liked about him won 0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:42.359 his fire, he's fired on the field and also being 0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:46.279 a veteran, like that experience that he has. But like 0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:49.440 you guys said, I think it was and this is 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:54.160 just me assuming and my perception of things, nothing that 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:57.480 I've heard actually, but visually and looking at what's going on, 0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:00.279 you can kind of tell that he was starting not 0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:03.680 really happy being here. Like you could see those on 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:07.040 the side conversations one on one with even Dan Quinn 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:09.920 off to the side after game or not after right 0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:12.640 after games, but like training camp, we saw that and 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:16.239 questions was maybe contract talks. Maybe he wasn't. He was 0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:18.840 a little bit upset that he was not getting offered 0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:23.520 a contract after Trevon Diggs getting his. But also I 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.919 noticed games where the Cowboys would win and you see 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.200 everybody coming off pretty happy, and then he'd be walking 0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:32.840 one of the last ones walking and just kind of 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:37.040 like moping a little bit. Again, this is just me 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:40.440 assuming based on his body language, but you could tell 0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:43.600 that he was it wasn't gonna be something that was 0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:47.120 gonna him staying here. He just he didn't seem as 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.080 happy as he was like a year prior. 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.200 I will say, and you bring up an excellent point, Handbar, 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:54.640 I am curious to see who steps up and takes 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:58.120 that vocal role in that in that safeties group. That 0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:00.759 because Malie Hooker, he can be vocal, but that's not 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:03.680 necessarily his demeanor as far as matching what jay Ron did. 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:07.919 Donovan is more of the quiet killer. Wan Ye has 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:11.040 more of that energy, but he's still a young guy. 0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:13.399 Is he going to feel confident enough to be able 0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:15.160 to try to lead the room and lead the huddle? 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:17.279 Because there were times that jay Ron Curse would be 0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:19.800 the one leading the huddle before games to get everybody 0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:22.200 fired up. So if nothing else, you're definitely going to 0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:24.000 miss that aspect of it. So I'm curious to see 0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:27.240 if you know, him not being here creates a vacuum 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:29.040 for someone else to step in and be that vocal leader. 0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:33.480 If I'm accurate, I think he's still available. Point which 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:35.720 I thought I actually thought he'd end up in Washington 0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:38.120 with so many other guys when Dan Quinn. Yeah, and 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.879 that also that does say something to know that he's 0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:43.839 not there, because I think dan Quinn rated as many 0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:45.560 guys who could come in and do the things that 0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:48.160 he wanted them to be able to do there in Washington. 0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.279 So we'll see what happens with him. All right, We 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:52.840 appreciate you guys joining us. We'll be back on next week. 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:55.000 We may have a difference the day next week. 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