1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 3: Yes? 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 4: Are you ready for a break? 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 4: Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that. 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 5: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 5: Were with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us, Patrick Walker and 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 5: Derek Eagleton. 11 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 6: It is Wednesday, May twenty second, twenty twenty four, Season twenty, 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 6: episode number eight. 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 7: Welcome to the latest edition of. 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 6: The Break, presented by LG. We were a live from 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 6: the SWBC Mortgage studios at the starting today, we're gonna 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 6: have a lot of different things we're going to talk about. 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 6: We're into our position series. We are in a segment 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 6: two of that. Last week we hit quarterback and that 19 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 6: was the only position that we hit. 20 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 7: Today we'll hit a few more. We're going to go 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 7: over to the defensive side of the ball. 22 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 6: Talk a little bit about the secondary safety position, the 23 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 6: cornerback position, also the linebacker position, maybe if we can 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 6: get to it, but we'll see how it goes today 25 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 6: and see how far we get on our SWAT analysis 26 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 6: of each of those positions. 27 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 7: I want to. 28 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 6: Start first though, OTAs, let's talk about it. Cowboys will 29 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 6: be starting, Actually they start at the OTAs yesterday. 30 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 7: It will run through this. 31 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 6: Week and then again next week, and then they'll have 32 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 6: their mini camp the week following, and then they'll have 33 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 6: a little break as well. We so let's start with 34 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 6: the OTAs. Tell me what are you watching? 35 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 7: What are you looking for this week? 36 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 6: As the Cowboys are getting started and have their full 37 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 6: team on the field for the first time. 38 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 8: I think, to me, where my experience of dealing with 39 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 8: these before is that the rookie mini camp you kind 40 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 8: of watch them getting stances and practice, getting into stance 41 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 8: and learning where the practice field is and all that stuff. 42 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 8: Now it's a little bit more and Mike McCarthy talked 43 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 8: about a little bit about the pace of practice and 44 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 8: things like that, and that's where I think that these 45 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 8: rookies they're going to throw a lot at these guys initially, 46 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 8: and then they're going to see who can sink, and 47 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 8: who can swim, and who can sink a little bit, 48 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 8: you know, and then they'll think, Okay, this is the 49 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 8: way we're going to have to coach this kid. The 50 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 8: veterans at a great advantage here. You know, and the 51 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 8: rookies are just trying to like their heads are going 52 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 8: to be spinning. And so what you're going to watch 53 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 8: for is how many And he mentioned this they had 54 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 8: some some pre snap stuff that they had to deal 55 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 8: with that they'll clean up. But what you're going to 56 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 8: watch is you're going to see where are they going 57 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 8: to put these rookies in relation to the other veteran players. 58 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 8: Are they running with the two's, are they running with 59 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 8: the threes, or are they running with their own group? 60 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 8: You know? And once it might be elevated a little. 61 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 7: Bit, you say their own group of time about rookies, Yeah, 62 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 7: the other. 63 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, like there's like the undrafted guys or the maybe 64 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 8: the first year players or stuff like that. Maybe you 65 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 8: know the players right now, maybe players you know, eighty 66 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 8: three with eighty six or whatever they got on the ross. 67 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 8: You know, the see they might be running with guys 68 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 8: like that. And then as you see them progress, you 69 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 8: might say, okay, now they move them up, they move 70 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 8: them and every week you might see a guy move 71 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 8: up every week that like, okay, we need to give 72 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 8: this guy more. We're seeing more, or maybe guys will 73 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 8: stay where they're at. So what you do is you 74 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 8: find that you find that where are the bases where 75 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 8: they're gonna start, and then how by the time we 76 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 8: get to break that this where they've got these guys place, 77 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 8: and that will give you an idea of what they're 78 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 8: thinking about doing with these guys this summer when we 79 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 8: get the Ox start. 80 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean it's like mich McCarthy just said, they're 81 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 9: going to have eight full installs, and you know OTA's 82 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 9: are going to be more so targeted towards rookies. Like 83 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 9: Brian said, veterans are going to come in and they 84 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 9: have an upperhand obviously, But the goal for the Cowboys 85 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 9: is to get all of the installs and all of 86 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 9: the playbook information put in front of these rookies and 87 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 9: have them to the point where once OTA's is over 88 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 9: and once mini camp is concluded, that they have everything 89 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 9: they need to go into training camp and try their 90 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 9: best to hit the ground running. So that's the first 91 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 9: part of it. Second part of it is, as Brian said, 92 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 9: trying to see who's lining up and with what group, right, 93 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 9: So take Cooper bb for example, or take Tyler Guitton 94 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 9: for example. Although we believe they have an excellent chance 95 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 9: of starting in their respective positions center and left tackle. 96 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 9: Maybe that doesn't happen right out of the gate. Maybe 97 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 9: it's brock Hoffman at you know, for the first team 98 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 9: with the first team in Dak Prescott at center and Truemaydoga, 99 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 9: whereas with the second team with Cooper Rush slash Trey Lance. 100 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 9: Now you're looking at Cooper BB and Tyler Guy and 101 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 9: looking at those guys, Nathan Thomas, the seventh round pick 102 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 9: on the defensive side, justin Rodgers, where is he playing? 103 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 9: Is he definitely nose tackle or are they trying to 104 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 9: see if they can get something out of him at 105 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 9: three take So it'll be interested in those positions as well, 106 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 9: Kayln Carson. They're going to start him, I don't mean 107 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 9: as a starter, but they're going to begin him on 108 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 9: the outside. But also they want to see if he 109 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 9: can do some flex in the nickel as well, So 110 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 9: that'll be interesting. So that those are some things I'm 111 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 9: really keeping Now. 112 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 10: Yeah, I've said this before, I'll say it again. This 113 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 10: is to me one of the most exciting parts of 114 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 10: this time because this is when you finally see the root. 115 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 10: He's merging with the veterans and you get to see 116 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 10: the visual of it, what you actually are working with now, 117 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 10: and how does that look, even though not everyone's necessarily 118 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 10: gonna be where they're gonna end up being at the 119 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 10: end of by the time the season starts, but you 120 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 10: see everyone just merging together. And again, the Cowboys, they're 121 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 10: really great at acclimating the players, I think that's the 122 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 10: right word, just getting them to where you're not just 123 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 10: throwing them in deep waters letting them drown or like swim, 124 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 10: You're they're they're gonna be good at just letting them 125 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 10: kind of get the system in, get the and they've 126 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 10: been in meetings learning the books and the plays and 127 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 10: the scheme and all of that already. But it's just 128 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 10: for me right now because you're not gonna get a 129 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 10: whole lot of action. That's like training camp. 130 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 4: Whoa great. 131 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 10: But yeah, it's more of the visual of like, Okay, okay, 132 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 10: I can work with this, or maybe, ah, crap, this 133 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 10: is not looking visually you know, this is the time 134 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 10: to kind of start getting the first taste of that. 135 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 8: Yeah. What they'll do though, too, is when this is 136 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 8: all over with veterans and stuff, will go home or 137 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 8: go to their wherever they stay for a little bit 138 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 8: before drinking, and then the rooki yeah, and then the 139 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 8: rookie stay and work. 140 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 141 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 8: So anything that they might not pick up, and some 142 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 8: coaches will stay around maybe and help some guys out 143 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 8: if they're here or not. They'll take a break too. 144 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 8: But you get him into that weight program, you get 145 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 8: him a little bit more strong or a little bit 146 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 8: more acclimate to the quickness of the game, the strength 147 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 8: of the game. You get him built up. But you 148 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 8: can also teach him some stuff too along the way. 149 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 8: So anything that they might struggle with, you could circle 150 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 8: back and say, Okay, we need to work with these 151 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 8: guys on this particular thing. Like I remember with Michael Parsons, 152 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 8: they threw him in the deep end of the pool. 153 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 8: We talked about sink or swim, but they threw him in. 154 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 8: There was a lot I remember dan Quinn was doing 155 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 8: a lot of things with him right off the jump, 156 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 8: and Mike had never seemed to bat an eye at that, 157 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 8: you know. So you'll see guys that do that. And 158 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 8: that's where I could say from there'll be a base 159 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 8: level and then there'll be a final level that you'll 160 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 8: see before they get the ox Star. 161 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 9: And I'm also looking for you know, and talk about 162 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 9: guys like Marshawn Neeland as well. You know, how quickly 163 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 9: can he progress under a guy like Greg Ealli's former 164 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 9: you know, Cowboys pro bowler, who's going to focus on 165 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 9: the edge rushers While I'm trying to pronounce his. 166 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 4: Last name, Please don't kill me? Is the Z silent? 167 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 4: Is it Gonina? 168 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 9: I believe the one we postina? There we go his demeanor. 169 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 9: He's going to be focused more so on like the 170 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 9: interior guys. So when Masi Smith is cleared, what does 171 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 9: Goneina look like with coaching up Misi Smith? 172 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: What does Greg Yllis look like coaching up marshaan Eland. 173 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 9: But from an overall standpoint, I'm going to be looking 174 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 9: to see what rookies specifically are seeking information versus those 175 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 9: that are waiting to be given information. So I'm keeping 176 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 9: eye on guys who are going up to coaches and 177 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 9: assistant coaches and other players, Like is Marshan Nelan really 178 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 9: gluing himself to Marcus Lawrence and staying in his hip 179 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 9: pocket or is he just using as an example or 180 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 9: is he waiting for a guy like greglas to come 181 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 9: up and say, hey, this is where you can improve 182 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 9: or is it a combination of the two. Those guys 183 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 9: who tend to stip and stick to the hip pocket 184 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 9: of guys like DeMarcus Lawrence or Kaylyn Carson with Deron 185 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 9: Bland so Georgean Lewis, those are probably the rookies who 186 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 9: want to progress more quickly than the ones that are 187 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 9: kind of sitting back waiting to be told what to do. 188 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 189 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 6: The one notable absence so far after yesterday and probably 190 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 6: will be after the rest of the week Michael Parsons. 191 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 6: He did speak to a couple people in the media. 192 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 6: I think Michael Gelkin was one of them, James later 193 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 6: as well, and what he talked about really was, Yeah, 194 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 6: I'm not here this week. I'm still continuing my off 195 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 6: season training. He does some off season training and a 196 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 6: lot of boxing work actually part of his regimen. But 197 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 6: he does that and he's going to continue to do 198 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 6: that this week, and then he'll be here. 199 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 7: Next week as well as the week after. 200 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 6: And my thought was, I don't think anybody questions Michael 201 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 6: Parson's ability to be able to play football and prepare 202 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 6: himself to play football. I think he plays football extremely 203 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 6: well and so for that you have to give him 204 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 6: the credit of he knows obviously what his body's like. 205 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 6: My question is more on the line of being a leader. 206 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 6: And he actually talked in the interview that he did 207 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 6: with Michael Gelkin about this team needing his leadership and 208 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 6: him having to step up in that way. And Michael 209 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 6: even asked us astuteley the question, how does it how 210 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 6: you make those two things go together when you say 211 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 6: you need to be a leader, but then you're also 212 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 6: not there for everything. But my question for you guys 213 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 6: is do you think that in any way this harms 214 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 6: his ability to be a leadership by not being here? Again, 215 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 6: I don't think anybody's question his ability to play football 216 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 6: and prepare himself to play football. But on the leadership side, 217 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 6: do you think that in any way inhibits his ability 218 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 6: to be a great leader for this team but not 219 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 6: being here for everything? 220 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it does. We had this discussion on 221 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 8: one O five to three the Fan yesterday about this 222 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 8: and not everybody could be Dak Prescott. Not everybody could 223 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 8: build a football field in their backyard at their home 224 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 8: and encourage guys to s show up. He goes, I'm 225 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 8: going to be out here working, you know, if you 226 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 8: want to come out and work with me. I'll be 227 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 8: happy to have you here. It's a different way of leading. 228 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 8: I do think it hurts that. I think that people. 229 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 8: You know, when you're out here every day and you're 230 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 8: working and it's a voluntary situation, everybody else is out 231 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 8: here working as well. And so there's a lot of 232 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 8: young guys on this team that haven't played with Michael Parsons, 233 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 8: a lot of young defensive players that haven't played with 234 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 8: Michael Parsons. You know, So there's You're absolutely right, there's 235 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 8: no question about his ability to play football. I said 236 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 8: this yesterday. I don't think I think he talks about 237 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 8: wanting to be a leader, but I don't think he 238 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 8: wants to be a leader. That's just my opinion about 239 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 8: the player. I think that he I think Michaeh Parsons 240 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 8: has a lot of other interests. I think he has 241 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 8: I think he wants to do things his own way. 242 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 8: I think football is such a regimented thing for him 243 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 8: from July through January that he realizes that, Okay, that's 244 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 8: my part to be regimented. But when it comes to 245 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 8: the other things, I think he wants to go do 246 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 8: his own thing, and I mean personally though, to be 247 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 8: a leader, you have to show up every single day 248 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 8: and put in the work. And he puts in the work, 249 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 8: but he puts it in the work his way, not 250 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 8: the organizational way or the team way of doing things. So, uh, 251 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 8: we could talk about being a leader, but if you're 252 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 8: not showing up, I think it's hard for you to 253 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 8: be that leader. 254 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 9: I would like him to be here or have been here. 255 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 9: Obviously we'll focus on the word voluntary. 256 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 11: So do voluntary right, right, But there's a lot of 257 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 11: voluntary going on, So absolutely, I don't think that's that's 258 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 11: even going back to what I was saying. 259 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 9: I would prefer that he have been here up to 260 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 9: this point for all the reasons you said. And but 261 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 9: I had this conversation with some colleagues a couple of 262 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 9: weeks ago wherein the question becomes when you're talking about 263 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 9: Michael Parsons or anyone in the National Football League leader 264 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 9: versus elite player. Not every elite player is designed to 265 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 9: be a leader, and not every leader is going to 266 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 9: be an elite player. Question is what do you which 267 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 9: one of those does Michael Parsons fall into? And I 268 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 9: think he falls into the former where he's an elite player, 269 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 9: but he may never be that leader that you want. 270 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 9: If that kind of leadership you're looking for is the 271 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 9: Dak Prescott kind of leadership, that you're not going to 272 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 9: get a Dak Prescott kind of leadership with Michael Parsons. 273 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 9: I don't think that that's how he's wired. But he's 274 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 9: an elite player. So in that capacity, his production on 275 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 9: the field will help motivate those younger guys and they'll 276 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 9: learn from his techniques and he'll they'll be able to 277 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 9: pick his brain in practices and so forth and so on. 278 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 9: But if you're I think if you're expecting him to 279 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 9: be at any point in his career to become that 280 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 9: Dak Prescott type guy, I think you're kind of setting 281 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 9: yourself up for disappointment. And for me, it's all about expectation. 282 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 9: I want him here, I want him to be able 283 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 9: to be that guy. But then at a certain point, 284 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 9: maybe he's just not and you're just gonna have to 285 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 9: work with what it is. 286 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 10: I think too, I was just gonna say that to me. 287 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 10: I think not everyone's meant to be a leader, and 288 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 10: that's okay, and it should be okay just because you're great. 289 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 10: Just because you're such a great football player doesn't mean 290 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 10: that you should be forced to lead and to mentor 291 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 10: other people. That should be a choice and we should 292 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 10: be okay with that not being the case for someone 293 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 10: like him. It's totally fine. Where it becomes a problem 294 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 10: for me and I love Michael Parson the player and everything, 295 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 10: But where it just makes me raise an eyebrow is 296 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 10: more the teammate type of thing. Are you being a 297 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 10: teammate because this is a teamwork and you should be 298 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 10: part of the team and you should be here during 299 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 10: this time when OTAs have started, And more so than that, 300 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 10: after seeing certain talks that happened throughout the season last 301 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 10: year where his teammate likeness or I don't even know 302 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 10: the word was in question where and I'm saying, I'm saying, like, 303 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 10: are you throwing somebody under the bus during some interviews? 304 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 10: Are you upset because you didn't make great plays during 305 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 10: the game but somebody else did? But yeah, you're having 306 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 10: a sad face round. So I'm saying, when things like 307 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 10: that are talked about throughout the season, are you really 308 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 10: wanting to It's up to you whether you want to 309 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 10: be part of the team or do you want to 310 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 10: keep playing quote unquote solo and be your own person. 311 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 10: And for a sport like this, it does matter. It 312 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 10: doesn't matter what happens in the locker room. It does 313 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 10: matter for you to start and keep on building these 314 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 10: relationships because it does, really, it does translate on the 315 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 10: field when you have a really good connection with your 316 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 10: teammates and when you don't. And I think that could 317 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 10: and this is just me as speculating this is, but 318 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 10: if this is the trend that's going to occur during 319 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 10: the season, I think that could potentially lead to some 320 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 10: undesirable things as far as like teammate teamwork environment and 321 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 10: what happens in the locker room. 322 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think he's put his coaches in a bad 323 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 8: position right here. And and if dan Quinn was still here, 324 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 8: his defensive coordinator and everything was still the same, I 325 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 8: could understand being away. But the fact that you have 326 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 8: a new defensive coordinator here and new coaches as well, 327 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 8: you know, on the staff, and a big turnover on 328 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 8: the defensive staff. You know, I think you being here 329 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 8: is important for that, you know, just for your own 330 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 8: good for the coaches. See, it's hard for coaches to 331 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 8: deal with players that are superstar players because you have 332 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 8: to walk that line. You have to walk that line 333 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 8: about like I do I say something here? Do I 334 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 8: not say something here? You know, Mike McCarthy, of course 335 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 8: is going to talk positively about Michael Parsons. But where 336 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 8: but where we need to kind of focus on this 337 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 8: is and is that Yeah, he is a great player. 338 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 8: But on the other end, I don't need you talking 339 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 8: about being a leader if you're not willing to do 340 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 8: everything to lead. That's the disconnect that I have right there. 341 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 8: That's the problem. If I was working in the front office, 342 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 8: I'm like, Okay, let's not ask this guy to lead. 343 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 8: Then let's not ask him to be one of our 344 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 8: guys that way. 345 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 9: And this is why I don't have so much of 346 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 9: an issue with Ceedee Lamb not being in the building 347 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 9: at the moment. First of all, it's two different conversations 348 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 9: because one is up for a contract talk right now. 349 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 9: But also something Brian pointed out and I pointed out 350 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 9: on Twitter a couple of days ago, there's been so 351 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 9: much change on the defensive side of the ball that 352 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 9: you would want Michael Parsons to be here, be present, 353 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 9: meet these new coaches in person, granted he's been having 354 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 9: the meetings and quote unquote he's not behind on anything. 355 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 4: Per Mike McCarthy. 356 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 9: We get all of that, but there's something to be 357 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 9: said for you being in the building and on the 358 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 9: field with these guys. But from a CD Lamb standpoint, 359 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 9: other than adding a quality assist it on the offense, 360 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 9: everything's pretty much the same, right, It's the same playbook, 361 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 9: it's the same franchise quarterback. You got some changes up 362 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 9: front on the offensive line, but there's nothing that Cedee 363 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 9: Lamb is risking getting behind on because there's not been 364 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 9: that attrition in the coaching. There's not been that much 365 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 9: attrition on the offensive side of the ball. You got 366 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 9: it familiar, got back if anything, and Ezekiel Elliot in 367 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 9: your backfield. So I think that when you're people are 368 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 9: comparing the two things, they're making the two things seem 369 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 9: the same, but they're not the same at all. I 370 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 9: feel like those are two different conversations. So from the 371 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 9: CD Lamb front, it's much easier for him to come in. 372 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 9: Whenever he does come in, hopefully it's stoot fourth Mini camp, 373 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 9: but you know training camp as possibility as well. Whenever 374 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 9: ceed Lamb does report, it's much of a greater chance 375 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 9: that he will hit the ground running versus when Michael 376 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 9: Parson shows up next week and now has to start 377 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 9: kind of prepping his way to get ready for mini 378 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 9: camp and slowly little ramp up because there's been so 379 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 9: much change on the defense. 380 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 10: Also, players understand and see when when it is a 381 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 10: contract thing, they're like, hey, you do your thing different 382 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 10: potentially in a position like that eventually, but then when 383 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 10: it's just by your own choice, it's more like, oh, 384 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 10: once you finally get there, you're too good to be 385 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 10: out here with us working. 386 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 6: And that's I guess that's where I was going to 387 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 6: go with this, and I'll say this before we go 388 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 6: to break. 389 00:17:59,040 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 4: Gotta get a break. 390 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 6: But one of the things that I think has to 391 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 6: be factored in here is that, to me, leadership starts 392 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 6: and ends with respect. If the people that are supposedly 393 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 6: following this leader respect him and respects the decisions that 394 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 6: he or she are making, then he can be a 395 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 6: leader and he will be a leader. If not, then 396 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 6: everything goes away. And so the question, which I don't 397 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 6: think any of us can necessarily answer, a lot of 398 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 6: those guys in the locker room have to answer it 399 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 6: is do they respect him and respect this decision of 400 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 6: him not being here? 401 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 7: How do they see it? 402 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 6: Do they see it as guy, as you said, you're 403 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 6: too good to be out here with us, so you 404 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 6: don't have time to be out here with us, or 405 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 6: do they see it as I get it, that's cool, 406 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 6: we'll see you next week. And when you show up 407 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 6: next week, he's ready to go and he's talking and 408 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 6: guys are following. 409 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 7: If that's the. 410 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 6: Case, this means nothing. This week means absolutely nothing. Now 411 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 6: if it's different. If next week he shows up and 412 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 6: those people are looking at him, that's when I think 413 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 6: there's a question. And that's really more for his teammates 414 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 6: to answer, more so than even him. Is how do 415 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 6: they perceive him? Do they respect it? 416 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 7: Or do they not. 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Basically, 487 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 6: we're talking about strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats. If you 488 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 6: guys remember from last week, let's talk about the safety position. 489 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 6: You've got Mali Cooker, Donovan Wilson, Marquise Bell, Janya Thomas, 490 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 6: is Reel mcwamu Amani Johnson. 491 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 7: Julius Wood. 492 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 6: These are names that are on the roster right now 493 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 6: as safeties on this team. Let's start first with strengths. 494 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 6: If you have to identify one strength of this position group, 495 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 6: what would it be Patricklet's start with. 496 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 9: You versatility, and that versatility comes from Malie Hooker being 497 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 9: able to be a true center fielder in conjunction with 498 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 9: Donovan Wilson being able to be kind of that heat 499 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 9: seeking missile for you, right, So he can give you 500 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 9: some coverage, but he can also be a guy that 501 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 9: helps you in run defense. He can be a guy 502 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 9: that you sent sent at the opposing quarterback and blitz 503 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 9: packages and then you know, similarly goes for Janya Tummas, 504 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 9: which is why in instances where jay Ron Curse was 505 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 9: unable to take the field, Wya Thomas was able to 506 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 9: step in and help you cover tight ends and things 507 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 9: like that. Now that Marquise Bell has been moved back 508 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 9: to defensive back back to safety, he's going to give 509 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 9: you that same kind of flexibility as well as far 510 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 9: as cover, but he can also play forward as well. 511 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 9: So and if you look at the size of some 512 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 9: of these rookies, Woods being one of them, these are 513 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 9: him specifically. 514 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 4: That's a massive safety. 515 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 9: So much so that when he was walking through mini 516 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 9: camp and I walked up behind him from behind, he 517 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 9: looked like a linebacker and they were like, oh no, 518 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 9: that's the rookie safety, and I was like, wow, okay, 519 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 9: so that guy can do some damage. So for me, 520 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 9: it's versatility and they still have some questions to answer. Obviously, 521 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 9: you love what won Ye Thomas was able to do 522 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 9: in year two, Marquise Bell as well, but it's specifically 523 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 9: one ye at safety. He drew some high praise from 524 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 9: Al Harris as well, but with presumably Jeron Curse not returning, 525 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 9: I don't believe that he will. This is going to 526 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 9: be won Ye Thomas' job going forward, and I want 527 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 9: to see him in a starter capacity, but versatility is 528 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 9: going to be it for me. 529 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 8: Physicality I think with you you talked about Wilson, Thomas, Bell, 530 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 8: you mentioned the young kids with Johnson and Wood. These 531 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 8: guys all tackle and they're all physical players. Where they're 532 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 8: going to have to figure out is how can they 533 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 8: play the back end of this And hopefully Mollie Cooker, 534 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 8: you know, will give you a little bit of that 535 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 8: with some depth. But when you're talking about this team, 536 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 8: they got some safety. These are willing to play forward 537 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 8: and willing to tackle, and I think that's the thing 538 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 8: that we have to kind of look at going forward 539 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 8: here is that who is going to be the guy 540 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 8: that plays the deep part. They've got the guys that 541 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,239 Speaker 8: can play underneath and handle that. But Mike Zimmer's an 542 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 8: interchangeable guy. So those guys that play down are going 543 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 8: to also have to be able to cover some So 544 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 8: whoever figures that out or likely the guys that are 545 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 8: going to be on this field. 546 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 10: Yeah, I agree with everything. I think that after the 547 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 10: long drought of safeties, the lack of safeties, capable safeties, 548 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 10: I think you still have a group that with all 549 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 10: these guys, every single name. These are guys that have 550 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 10: shown you different moments that they're capable and that they 551 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 10: have something that excites you and that drive you talk 552 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 10: about tackling that haves that that have that kind of 553 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 10: aggressiveness to go forward on the play. And yeah, still 554 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 10: you know, with Donovan Wilson, I a little sad last 555 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 10: year about it, but I still have hopes on him 556 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 10: as far as like his play level. He didn't kind 557 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 10: of show up to the level I expected him to, 558 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 10: but yeah, overall a solid group. 559 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 6: That's the interesting thing about Donovan Wilson throughout there. I 560 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 6: think he actually got better as the season went along. 561 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 6: To me, I think he started earlier in the season, 562 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 6: but I think as the season went along, we started 563 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 6: to see more of that Donovan Wilson that we'd seen, 564 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 6: that that that they that they wanted, that they ended 565 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 6: up paying because I think he showed up a little later. 566 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 7: Talk to me about what do you think the biggest 567 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 7: weakness is of that position group. 568 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 9: They need to get better at taking the ball away. 569 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 9: We talk a lot about what Trevon Diggs can do 570 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 9: and taking the ball away, uh dron Bland, but those 571 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 9: are two you know, one rating NFL in exceptions leader, 572 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 9: one former NFL interceptions leader, Jordan Lewis can take the 573 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 9: ball away also in run defense as well, just as 574 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 9: Christian McCaffrey. But when you look at the safeties, you 575 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 9: had Donovan Wilson, he actually led the safety group, but 576 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 9: with only two interceptions. Malie Hooker had only one interception 577 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 9: last season. Ony Ye Thomas, for all the promise that 578 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 9: he brings, he had no interceptions, but he had opportunities. 579 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 9: I think on two different occasions the ball hit him 580 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 9: in the hands and he just didn't come up with it. 581 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 9: So for me, if the Cowboys safeties can figure out 582 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 9: how to match serve in that category with the Cowboys cornerbacks. 583 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 4: There will be a lethal group back there. 584 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 8: Who's the interchangeable guy at the other end, I mean, 585 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 8: Elie Hooker could probably be the guy that has the 586 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 8: best for that. I don't know if particularly if you 587 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 8: want to put Wilson in a lot of coverage. I 588 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 8: think jan Ye Thomas can cover. Bell to me is 589 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 8: a little bit of a shorter guy, so I don't 590 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 8: know how well you want to play him in coverage. 591 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 8: We'll see with Johnson. When I was watching his tape 592 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 8: in Woods tape, the two rookies, they seem to be 593 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 8: guys that had some coverability. But who out of this 594 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 8: group besides Hooker can really cover? So that's question I'll 595 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 8: have going through this. 596 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 7: Real quick on that. What are your thoughts on Mkwalme's ability. 597 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 4: To Yeah, that's the thing about it. 598 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 8: I've been waiting for him since two thousand and two, 599 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 8: to you know, I know he was drafted in the 600 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 8: sixth round in two thousand and one. I'm just him, 601 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 8: nay Sean Wright. Those are a couple of guys that 602 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 8: you know, a third round guy, a sixth round guy. 603 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 8: You know, they look the part. But I've been waiting 604 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 8: for both these guys to play now it seems like 605 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 8: for three years, you know, so, yeah, is that a possibility. Sure, 606 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 8: we'll Zimmer get something out of him that way in 607 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 8: the coverage aspect, I hope. But they're gonna have somebody's 608 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 8: gonna have to step up, you know. When you're talking 609 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 8: about coverage, they're not gonna it's just not the single high, 610 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 8: played down in the box defense that we've seen the 611 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 8: last several years. These guys have got to be able 612 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 8: to play some coverage and somebody has to figure that out. 613 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 10: I can't find the right word, the right adjective that 614 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 10: I'm looking for. But and it's not like consistency, because 615 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 10: that's not really it. But I would like them to 616 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 10: be more independent, if that makes sense, rather than consistent, Like, 617 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 10: don't be the supportive supporter. I can't find out more 618 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 10: you're talking about getting turnovers and things like that. Just 619 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 10: be more of an independent player where you're the solid 620 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 10: guy making your own plays rather than being the supportive 621 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 10: cast memory exactly. That's kind of what I'm trying to say. 622 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 10: But overall, there's still room for growth in that area 623 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 10: where they could really elevate and help elevate the defense. 624 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 8: But you know, it's funny you talk about turnovers. Patrick, 625 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 8: Mike Zimmers already really kind of apologized in the way says, listen, 626 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 8: our scheme might not be for everybody when it comes 627 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 8: to creating turnovers. And if you're a Cowboy fan, you know, 628 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 8: we come on here in week five and we start 629 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 8: talking about, you know, the secondary having created turnovers. But 630 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 8: if they're not giving up big plays and they're tackling 631 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 8: and all that, this might be the trade off of 632 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 8: the new scheme. You know, Mike has already said, hey, listen, 633 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 8: we might not create a as many turnovers as we've 634 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 8: seen here the last several years. So that's something you know, 635 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 8: when we talk about turnovers and as a group, that 636 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 8: something that might not happen just because of the way 637 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 8: they played the scheme. 638 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 639 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 6: So the interesting part about that is not getting as 640 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 6: many turnovers has an inverse effect. It means the offense 641 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 6: has a lot more pressure now to take seventy seventy 642 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 6: five eight r drives to get a touchdown, whereas before 643 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 6: you were getting short fields. That changes a lot of things, 644 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 6: and it puts a lot of pressure on your offense. 645 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 6: And we'll see if the offense is capable of being 646 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 6: able to handle that added pressure. Let's talk about opportunities, 647 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 6: and if you remember what I was getting at here 648 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 6: is what is an unknown right now? 649 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 7: What's a question mark. 650 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 6: For them that you think has the best potential to 651 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 6: become an asset. 652 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 9: Le'll start with you, Patrick, question mark has the potential 653 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 9: to become the best asset. 654 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 4: You know. 655 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 9: I'm going to go with I'm going to put a 656 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 9: draw circle around Marquise Bell here because I think that 657 00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 9: Marquise's trick in the linebacker corps last year can pay 658 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 9: dividends for him going forward as a defensive back. Whatever 659 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 9: any positives that he was able to take away from 660 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 9: his time as linebacker, yeh, there was some negatives obviously, 661 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 9: you know size and size, But I think there are 662 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 9: some positives that he can take away that will help him, 663 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 9: from a safety standpoint, be better at helping that group 664 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 9: defend the run and helping the defensive backs defend the run. 665 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 9: And if that comes to fruition, then that goes to 666 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 9: the overall run support that the Cowboys need or run 667 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 9: defense that the Cowboys need desperately in twenty twenty four. 668 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 9: So I would look for that as like an intangible 669 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 9: I just want to see how Marquis Bell's game has 670 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 9: changed twenty twenty two versus twenty twenty four because of 671 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 9: what occurred in twenty twenty three. 672 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 8: Donovan Wilson becomes a better cover guy, that would help 673 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 8: because he's already got the physicality for the run defense stuff. 674 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 8: It's either him or jan Ye Thomas. I think wan 675 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 8: Ye Thomas is really more of a complete player. I 676 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 8: think he covers well. I think he tackles well. I 677 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 8: think he's a physical player. That's going to be a 678 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 8: battle for that spot right there. I really do believe 679 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 8: that Wanya Thomas is putting on way he's work out. 680 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 8: He looks bigger, he looks you know, who can cover. 681 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 8: If Donovan Wilson can cover, then that's the one thing 682 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 8: that that will help this help this safety group a bunch. 683 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 8: You know, Like we talked about playing better in the 684 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 8: second half. The first half the season, he didn't play 685 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 8: with any awareness at all. We remember the Arizona game, 686 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 8: you know, with some of the stuff that was happening there, 687 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 8: guy's running right by him. And think so if they 688 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 8: find a way to get him playing more as a 689 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 8: complete player, that will really help this group. 690 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 10: Yeah, with Thomas, he's the one guy that I think 691 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 10: there's more room for growth as far as there's more 692 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 10: ability to do more things because with Hooker Bell mcguambal, 693 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 10: I feel like you kind of know what you got there, 694 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 10: and that's just kind of what it is to me. 695 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 10: Donovan Wilson, I think he still has a little bit 696 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 10: of just kind of stepping taking the next step, but 697 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 10: it's not too far. 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Visit thestardistrict dot com 756 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 8: for more info. 757 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 4: Welcome back. 758 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 6: Final segment of the Braak Life in SWBC Mortgus two 759 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 6: ye at the Star presented by lg We're talking about 760 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 6: the safety position. 761 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 7: We got one more. No, I'm good, we got one 762 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 7: more area that we're hitting. We got one more. The threat? 763 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 6: What is the biggest obstacle to this group position group's success? 764 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 10: Say one. 765 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 8: The biggest threat is there that they don't adapt to 766 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 8: how Zimmer wants to play. If he has to mask 767 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 8: deficiencies with their ability to cover and has to adjust. Now, 768 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 8: coaches adjust their schemes all the time, but there's a 769 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 8: specific way that Mike likes to play his safeties. And 770 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 8: if they don't get that interchangeable way. Is there one 771 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 8: guy or there are several guys that can't that they're 772 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,479 Speaker 8: all just down players and none of them can cover, 773 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 8: then that's the that's the thing I think that I 774 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 8: would worry about. 775 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 4: To answer your question. 776 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 9: I think their biggest threat lies in a different position group. 777 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 9: I think it's with the the interior of the defensive line. 778 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 9: If the Cowboys cannot figure out out the interior of 779 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 9: the defensive line, that means they're going to have troubles 780 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 9: stopping the run. They're going to have troubles pushing the pocket, 781 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 9: the interior of the pocket on pass plays. And if 782 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 9: they're having trouble pushing the interior of the pocket, then 783 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 9: that allows quarterbacks to sit there comfortably and coverage windows 784 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 9: begin to expand. And yet keep in mind Trevon Diggs, 785 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 9: he'll be back, but how much grace is he going 786 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 9: to need to get back to form things like that? 787 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 9: So that means the safeties and the secondary overall are 788 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 9: going to have to be that much more up to 789 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 9: task to make sure that they're doing something. Number one, 790 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 9: that they're stopping plays, pass breakups, tackling sound tackling. But 791 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 9: also going back to what I said, they need to 792 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 9: improve upon takeaways. They would then the cruks would be 793 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 9: on them, the onners would be on them to do 794 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 9: more in the takeaway aspect. So the better, the defensive 795 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 9: line plays, the less work they'll have on them from 796 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 9: a play to play basis. But if that defensive line 797 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 9: doesn't get worked out, then they're going to have their 798 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 9: hands cut off for them on the play to play basis. 799 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 10: I would agree with just them being able to adapt 800 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 10: to this new whole system, similar to Brian mentioned with 801 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 10: Mike Zimmer, and I have full trust on Mike Zimmer 802 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 10: and what he's trying to do with the defense, But 803 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 10: remind me, it was Mike Nolan, right, So with Mike Nolan, 804 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 10: we saw it because it can happen where players just 805 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 10: can't get a good grip of what is happening with you. 806 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 8: Coach, we see that again, Coach again, You're hearing that 807 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 8: a lot in practice. Coach, need to see that again exactly. 808 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 10: I think, again, I don't think that will be the case, 809 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 10: but it could happen. So it's just the transition of 810 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 10: the difference in scheme and how quickly are they all 811 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 10: able to adapt to this new coach correct. 812 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 7: If I'm wrong. 813 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 6: My understanding of Mike Zimmer's system is it's not as 814 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 6: complex as say, of Mike Nolan's. 815 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think. 816 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 6: I think that's one of the big things that should 817 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 6: make it a fairly easy transition. 818 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 7: Now what he's asking, that's a whole different thing of whether. 819 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 6: The guys are capable of maybe doing those things fit 820 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 6: and as far as technique is concerned. But I don't 821 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 6: think it's going to be a mental thing for them. 822 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 7: Well, Mary, I will. 823 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 8: Say this about Mike, this is my experience with him. 824 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 8: If you're not a smart guy and you bust, he's 825 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 8: not gonna play it. He's not and so he's going 826 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 8: to try and disguise things. He's going to try and 827 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 8: make looks, make muddy looks for quarterbacks and offensive coordinators 828 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 8: to deal with. But if you if you're a guy 829 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 8: that constantly is having problems picking up what he's trying 830 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 8: to do, he will he will play with a lesser player, 831 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 8: then he will play with the star that that can't 832 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 8: pick it up. He's just not into you're in the busts. 833 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 8: He's just gonna he's gonna limit that thing. That thing 834 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 8: that happened in Green Bay with they had all those 835 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 8: guys in that playoff game running wide open that I 836 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,959 Speaker 8: guarantee you that is not going to happen here. He's 837 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 8: not going to allow that to be the thing that 838 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 8: kills this defense of guys making mistakes when it comes 839 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 8: to mental mistakes. 840 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 4: And what should happen. 841 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 9: As far as helping players who are unfamiliar with Mike 842 00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,760 Speaker 9: Zimmer acclimate fairly quickly. Talk about the addition of Eric Kendricks. 843 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 9: We spoke with Kendricks a couple of times. He's already 844 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 9: said he's doing all he can, even before OTA's before 845 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 9: veterans and rookies got together to kind of help bring 846 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 9: everyone up to speed on what Mike Zimmer's playbooks going 847 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 9: to look like. Talk about Greg Ellis, former pro bowler, 848 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 9: but he played under Mike Zimmer, so he not only 849 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 9: knows the temperament of Mike Zimmer can deliver that information 850 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 9: to everyone involved, but he also understands what Zimmer is 851 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 9: looking for, how he wants to structure a defense. So 852 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 9: between guys like Ellis and Kendricks, at least you have 853 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,919 Speaker 9: those in house guys that know and it can pull 854 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 9: you DeMont Clark to the side, that Marveon rovshiulm to 855 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 9: the side, can pull Marshawn Neeland to the side, or 856 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 9: even DeMarcus Launce Michael Parsons's to say, hey, this is 857 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 9: how Quinn was doing it, but let me tell you 858 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 9: how Mike likes to do it, and that should help 859 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 9: them kind of hit the ground running a little bit 860 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 9: better before training camp gets around. 861 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 6: One big question mark for me this year is what 862 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 6: are the Cowboys going to do at safety without Jyron 863 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 6: Curse and not so much missing Jayaron Curse the player, 864 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 6: because I don't know if you'll have that kind of impact, 865 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 6: but certainly from the standpoint of how they played defense 866 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 6: for the last couple of years, they really have used 867 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 6: three safeties as though they were starters, and now they 868 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 6: don't have that. My assumption is that nobody's gonna necessarily 869 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 6: step into that role. I don't know if that's how 870 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 6: Mike will run his defense, But what do you guys 871 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 6: think will be the biggest difference in not having jay 872 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 6: Ron curs as to be a part of this group. 873 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 8: And I don't want to be the mean guy, but 874 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 8: his play was starting to go downhill, It really was, 875 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 8: and you know it's effect, and maybe it was because 876 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 8: of the fact that he had to play so many 877 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 8: snaps hell him bell well, all those guys last year, 878 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 8: I mean, they had to fill in. They didn't have linebackers, 879 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 8: you know, and I'm saying that in a way of 880 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 8: respect for the way that cursed, but at the end, 881 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,479 Speaker 8: he couldn't run well enough, the tackling was falling off 882 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 8: and all that. So you know, they move on. 883 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 4: He moves on. 884 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 8: He gave you a couple of great years, he really did. 885 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 8: He was a leader in a lot of ways. He 886 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 8: was a guy that stood up in front of the 887 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 8: media and told you what was going right arong. You 888 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 8: respect a guy like that. But his play started to diminish, 889 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 8: and you know, once you watch the tape on that, 890 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 8: you're like, okay, we got to move on. So I 891 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 8: you know, we all wish him the best, but you know, 892 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 8: like I said, I think it's one of those moves 893 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 8: that they made in a way of knowing that his 894 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,760 Speaker 8: play was declining to a point that we can't play 895 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,359 Speaker 8: with a guy like that and have the type of 896 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 8: defense that we want. 897 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,359 Speaker 9: I mean, jern in his first couple of seasons, I mean, 898 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 9: we saw him reach promet form under Dan Quinn. Last season, 899 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 9: I think the injuries started to kind of take take 900 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 9: this to take their toll. Everybody started to wear down 901 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 9: a little bit, and then guess what, you found out 902 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,359 Speaker 9: when that started to happen, you start to find out 903 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 9: that one, yeah, Thomas is a hell of a ball player, 904 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,359 Speaker 9: and then that means you had to start looking at 905 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 9: those two things happening concurrently. Whereas jay Ron he can 906 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 9: still play football in the NFL, but maybe he's on 907 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 9: the on the back end of his career. Whereas one 908 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 9: Yea Thomas twenty twenty four and beyond, maybe he needs 909 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 9: to get that nod. And I think the Cowboys went 910 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 9: into the offseason this offseason with that exact thought process, 911 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 9: which is why they opted to not make an offer 912 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 9: for jay Ron Curs, because they're looking at wan Yea 913 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 9: Thomas and marquispell moving back to safety and saying, hey, 914 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 9: we've got Malie Cooker lockdown on a new deal that 915 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 9: we gave him last July. We got Donavan Wilson lockdown 916 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 9: on a new deal we gave him last July. We 917 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 9: got these two young, promising, very very promising safeties, and 918 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,880 Speaker 9: maybe we still want to find out what if we 919 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 9: have anything in Mukuamu before his rookie contract is up. 920 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 9: So Jayron Curs, I do believe he can still play 921 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 9: football in the NFL, but I just don't think he 922 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 9: was a fit any longer for what the Cowboys have 923 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:30,919 Speaker 9: going forward. 924 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 10: Yeah, he was definitely declining. And I think something that 925 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 10: you'll miss though, is that I liked about him won 926 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 10: his fire, he's fired on the field and also being 927 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 10: a veteran, like that experience that he has. But like 928 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 10: you guys said, I think it was and this is 929 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 10: just me assuming and my perception of things, nothing that 930 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 10: I've heard actually, but visually and looking at what's going on, 931 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 10: you can kind of tell that he was starting not 932 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 10: really happy being here. Like you could see those on 933 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 10: the side conversations one on one with even Dan Quinn 934 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 10: off to the side after game or not after right 935 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 10: after games, but like training camp, we saw that and 936 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 10: questions was maybe contract talks. Maybe he wasn't. He was 937 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 10: a little bit upset that he was not getting offered 938 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 10: a contract after Trevon Diggs getting his. But also I 939 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,919 Speaker 10: noticed games where the Cowboys would win and you see 940 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 10: everybody coming off pretty happy, and then he'd be walking 941 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 10: one of the last ones walking and just kind of 942 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 10: like moping a little bit. Again, this is just me 943 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 10: assuming based on his body language, but you could tell 944 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 10: that he was it wasn't gonna be something that was 945 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 10: gonna him staying here. He just he didn't seem as 946 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 10: happy as he was like a year prior. 947 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 9: I will say, and you bring up an excellent point, Handbar, 948 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 9: I am curious to see who steps up and takes 949 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 9: that vocal role in that in that safeties group. That 950 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 9: because Malie Hooker, he can be vocal, but that's not 951 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 9: necessarily his demeanor as far as matching what jay Ron did. 952 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,919 Speaker 9: Donovan is more of the quiet killer. Wan Ye has 953 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 9: more of that energy, but he's still a young guy. 954 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 9: Is he going to feel confident enough to be able 955 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 9: to try to lead the room and lead the huddle? 956 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 9: Because there were times that jay Ron Curse would be 957 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,800 Speaker 9: the one leading the huddle before games to get everybody 958 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 9: fired up. So if nothing else, you're definitely going to 959 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 9: miss that aspect of it. So I'm curious to see 960 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,240 Speaker 9: if you know, him not being here creates a vacuum 961 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 9: for someone else to step in and be that vocal leader. 962 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 6: If I'm accurate, I think he's still available. Point which 963 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,720 Speaker 6: I thought I actually thought he'd end up in Washington 964 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 6: with so many other guys when Dan Quinn. Yeah, and 965 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 6: that also that does say something to know that he's 966 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,839 Speaker 6: not there, because I think dan Quinn rated as many 967 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 6: guys who could come in and do the things that 968 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 6: he wanted them to be able to do there in Washington. 969 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 6: So we'll see what happens with him. All right, We 970 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 6: appreciate you guys joining us. We'll be back on next week. 971 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 6: We may have a difference the day next week. We'll 972 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 6: give you guys some information. Tuesday might be the day 973 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 6: that we end up doing it next week, but we'll 974 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 6: let you guys know till then. For Patrick Walker, Brian 975 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 6: brought us Ambergarci. I'm Derek Yielton. This has been The 976 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 6: Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 977 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 978 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.