Speaker 1: All right, we're starting off your week with a brand
Speaker 1: new episode today.
Speaker 2: Yay Second Date.
Speaker 1: And I gotta say, this girl's hack for figuring out
Speaker 1: if this guy was trustworthy or not is probably going
Speaker 1: to be used by other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. YEA a good one.
Speaker 1: It's a little on the immortal side, just a tad
Speaker 1: though not enough, not enough, not at no, okay enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but before we get to it.
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Speaker 1: May enjoy it?
Speaker 5: Well, thank god, whatever it is, it's in your best
Speaker 5: interest and not to defy Broke. But we do have
Speaker 5: a listener on the phone right now who's asked us
Speaker 5: for a second date. And I didn't even get to
Speaker 5: read his email ahead of time, so I don't know
Speaker 5: much about it other than his name is Rick, and
Speaker 5: hopefully I'm pronouncing that right Rick?
Speaker 4: Is it Rick? Am I saying that right?
Speaker 6: Of course?
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 6: I think it's the only way to pronounce it.
Speaker 2: I feel like he's not emphasizing the C enough in
Speaker 2: your name.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it could be with a silent R. So
Speaker 4: we don't know.
Speaker 5: But let's get right into your date. Tell us about
Speaker 5: the woman you met. What's her name?
Speaker 6: So I met a girl named Brenda. I was trying
Speaker 6: to find just find a way to meet people, and
Speaker 6: my friend told me to join a running club. So
Speaker 6: I joined this running.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard a lot of people doing that, I haven't.
Speaker 2: It was really popular for summer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, fun.
Speaker 5: Now it's not anymore short just saying late to the trend.
Speaker 1: I think it's fun. It's I mean, it's one a
Speaker 1: good way to get healthy, so you're gonna get some
Speaker 1: positive out of it. And then usually people meet up
Speaker 1: for beers afterwards. Yeah, you meet to start and then
Speaker 1: and there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did that happen on your date?
Speaker 6: Rick, No, there was no drinking at running club.
Speaker 4: Oh curious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never heard of that, too healthy.
Speaker 4: So how did you and Brenda hit it off?
Speaker 6: We met at the back of the line. We were
Speaker 6: jogging while everyone else was running.
Speaker 4: That's kind of funny. You were the lazy ones who
Speaker 4: weren't taking it very seriously.
Speaker 2: You can take that slow, Jeff, you don't have to
Speaker 2: speed shamey. Okay, they showed up. They're not that lazy.
Speaker 4: I feel like being telling them me slow is more.
Speaker 2: Shame for people know when they're slow. I'm slow.
Speaker 4: It's okay, all right.
Speaker 5: So what did you and Brenda talk about at the
Speaker 5: back of the line.
Speaker 6: Well, we kind of bonded on the fact that we
Speaker 6: were in running club but hated running club.
Speaker 4: It was like the cool kids at the back of
Speaker 4: the bus. Why didn't even sign up for this dumb thing?
Speaker 4: Why are we here?
Speaker 6: So I ended up getting your number, which was cool.
Speaker 6: So we started texting and then I worked up the
Speaker 6: courage to ask her out.
Speaker 2: Cute.
Speaker 1: So how long of a friendship did you have before
Speaker 1: you asked her out?
Speaker 6: Maybe two months if I had to guess, somewhere around there.
Speaker 5: Wow, you're a slow runner and a slow mover romantically.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your style. I like you.
Speaker 1: But you were so nervous because you know, you don't
Speaker 1: want to screw up run club, but you hate.
Speaker 3: You gonna have to pick up the paste of avoiter practice.
Speaker 4: So what did you do? I mean you went out
Speaker 4: on an official date after this? Right?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't want to go somewhere too fancy, but
Speaker 6: I also didn't want to go to like a Denny's
Speaker 6: or something.
Speaker 7: So I picked a like the.
Speaker 6: Middle of the road Italian restaurant that I've been to before,
Speaker 6: and I knew the food was good.
Speaker 4: You could say Olive Gardens.
Speaker 6: I mean we all have, no, it was definitely better
Speaker 6: than Olive Garden.
Speaker 4: Olive Garden is.
Speaker 6: Like the fast food of Italian restaurant.
Speaker 1: We love that Alfredo, yeah, but we love fast food,
Speaker 1: so it's okay.
Speaker 4: So you went to the Macaroni Bar and Grill and
Speaker 4: how was it there?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: God, we're just teasing you.
Speaker 1: We don't care about the actual Italian restaurant you win,
Speaker 1: like a local time.
Speaker 6: It's not important, guys.
Speaker 5: We're more interested in your bond and connection with Brenda.
Speaker 6: While you were there, I feel like the night was
Speaker 6: going really good. Our conversation was good. I felt like
Speaker 6: we clicked. And at some point, you know how they
Speaker 6: serve bread and they have like a little fabric thing underneath.
Speaker 4: It, napkin. Yeah, we're familiar with napkin.
Speaker 6: Well, it's like a doily.
Speaker 7: I think they call it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can say that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we were still thinking olive gardens.
Speaker 2: What happened with the doily?
Speaker 6: So there was underneath it? There was like a half
Speaker 6: ripped It seemed like a breakup note.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, like a Dear John letter.
Speaker 6: It was strange. It was like only like half of
Speaker 6: it though, and it was kind of smudgie, but you
Speaker 6: could tell it was I don't know, it was like
Speaker 6: a breakup note is the only way I could describe it.
Speaker 1: So was that like a fun thing to talk about
Speaker 1: on your date? No?
Speaker 6: I mean I thought it was kind of funny in
Speaker 6: a way. But she did not really react at all.
Speaker 6: It changed the vibe for sure, because I went to
Speaker 6: the bathroom and then when I got back from the bathroom,
Speaker 6: I felt like the air had changed. She like didn't
Speaker 6: want dessert. She's like, oh, okay, you could just take
Speaker 6: me home, like real matter of fact.
Speaker 4: No, oh god.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it reminded her of a
Speaker 1: past breakup and it made her sad?
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's what it was. I'm just
Speaker 6: like guessing here, but something happened that she didn't like,
Speaker 6: and she kind of like ended it.
Speaker 5: Well, clearly she understood that they sat you down at
Speaker 5: the breakup table inside the restaurant.
Speaker 2: She was upset you took her to a restaurant where
Speaker 2: they don't clean the tables very well.
Speaker 5: Geez yeah, I mean that sounds like it's kind of
Speaker 5: like a bad omen for your first date.
Speaker 4: But that's not your fault, Like I think you can
Speaker 4: recover from that.
Speaker 2: It's not like I think it'd be a good open.
Speaker 2: I'd read it.
Speaker 1: I try to find out whose couple is and I waiter.
Speaker 2: With Alexis it be juicy gossip?
Speaker 6: Talk about it?
Speaker 4: You could bond over it, like as we're starting, somebody
Speaker 4: else ended.
Speaker 2: What was the ride home like?
Speaker 6: In the car, awkward, quiet, like I was trying to
Speaker 6: make conversation and it was just I don't know, Like
Speaker 6: I said, the air change, the vibe was okay, interesting.
Speaker 2: Have you seen her at run club since?
Speaker 6: No, I've been back there a few times. I called her,
Speaker 6: I texted her, I messaged her on Facebook.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, yeah she is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's definitely avoid of communication.
Speaker 4: Brother. Okay, and now we're gonna call her.
Speaker 1: He left smudge notes at every table that she was
Speaker 1: gonna be at for every restaurant she was about to visit.
Speaker 5: Oh well, I mean, we may not know exactly what
Speaker 5: it is, but we are committed to helping you figure
Speaker 5: it out, Rick, because we're gonna call Brenda in just
Speaker 5: a few minutes here and try and get you your
Speaker 5: second date update right after this hold on.
Speaker 4: Second date update.
Speaker 5: Can you get blocked by somebody else's tragic breakup?
Speaker 2: That's funny?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's what.
Speaker 5: Our listener Rick is wondering because he took a woman
Speaker 5: named Brenda out to a mid tier Italian restaurant. His
Speaker 5: description not ours, but at the bottom of their bread bowl,
Speaker 5: they found part of a breakup note that a previous
Speaker 5: couple had apparently left underneath the doily if, which Rick.
Speaker 4: Found kind of amusing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but after that, he says, the whole mood suddenly shifted,
Speaker 5: and Brenda asked if he could take her back home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's been avoiding him at all costs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so weird and take her home not in the fun.
Speaker 5: Hey, let's go back to my place and I'll show
Speaker 5: you my fish tank kind of way that I'm ready
Speaker 5: for the night to be over right now, kind of where.
Speaker 2: You know, how to get to a girl. We love
Speaker 2: seeing fish takes.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, any sort of pet you're all in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But, like Brooks said, the real red flag is
Speaker 5: she stops showing up to Run club, which I guess
Speaker 5: she wasn't really a huge fan of anyway. But still
Speaker 5: something's going on, Yeah, to make her totally disappear, and
Speaker 5: we're trying to figure that out.
Speaker 2: Rick, that's got to be it.
Speaker 1: Like I remember going to see do you remember Jennifer
Speaker 1: Andison's movie Breakup? I don't know if you guys remember it,
Speaker 1: but I went with a date and we both left
Speaker 1: being like, Ugh, this isn't gonna work. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I don't know it Just like brought up all
Speaker 1: these feelings of like I'm really settling right now?
Speaker 5: Does something bad happen in the breakup?
Speaker 2: That's the whole fighting, the whole movie. Yeah, maybe that's
Speaker 2: how she felt.
Speaker 5: The point is, Rick, we don't want any of those
Speaker 5: bad vibes to happen on this call.
Speaker 4: We're going to go to bat for you. Are you
Speaker 4: ready to do this?
Speaker 6: I'm ready as I'm ever gonna be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not.
Speaker 1: The guy from that breakup letter. You're a great guy
Speaker 1: that deserves a chance.
Speaker 6: As far as you know.
Speaker 1: Wait, it's not very reassuring, Rick, I know it's a joke.
Speaker 2: That's it. Now is the time.
Speaker 4: You're joking?
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course I'm joking. Guys, Come on, you.
Speaker 5: Have to be sure before we do there.
Speaker 4: We'll find out here we go. Oho, Hey is this Brenda?
Speaker 7: Yeah? This is who's calling?
Speaker 5: Who's calling is a radio show called Brook and Jeffrey
Speaker 5: in the Morning.
Speaker 7: Hello, good morning, Okay, a normal thing, we get it, Brenda? Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 7: did I win something or what's going on?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It's always the hopeful response, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Jeff.
Speaker 5: It's tough when people ask that because I don't know
Speaker 5: the right way to respond. Other than to say no,
Speaker 5: not really. This is a segment we do called a
Speaker 5: second date Update.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 5: We try to help out a listener who's gone out
Speaker 5: on a date with somebody recently, but they're not getting
Speaker 5: a callback for a second one. We try to help
Speaker 5: step in and figure out the reason why, if.
Speaker 4: There is a reason.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this guy that reached out about you, his name
Speaker 5: is Rick.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 5: We're trying to help Rick figure out what's gone on
Speaker 5: since your date because he says he hasn't even seen
Speaker 5: you at run Club.
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I haven't been there.
Speaker 2: Did you quit because of him?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: All right, so it sounds like this isn't just a coincidence.
Speaker 5: You're actually trying to avoid him.
Speaker 7: I am avoiding him, yes, all right, okay.
Speaker 5: So if you could help explain like why you're trying
Speaker 5: to avoid him, because Rick is pretty clueless.
Speaker 7: I mean, we had been talking for quite a while
Speaker 7: at run Club and I thought he was different than
Speaker 7: other guys, But after our date, I don't think he is.
Speaker 2: What what do you mean?
Speaker 1: What what are other guys like?
Speaker 2: I guess is maybe where we should start.
Speaker 7: I mean, like just cheating on people.
Speaker 4: And doing it.
Speaker 2: You think Rick's a cheater.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't understand this. Rick said, this was your
Speaker 4: first date.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so my friends who date a lot more than
Speaker 7: I do, taught me this trick that like, you don't
Speaker 7: want to like go in someone's phone because that's just
Speaker 7: sort of rude. But when he went to the bathroom,
Speaker 7: he left his phone on the table.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what you.
Speaker 7: Do is you call the guy's phone when he goes away,
Speaker 7: and you see name.
Speaker 4: Popstep saved his phone.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so when he went to the bathroom, I called
Speaker 7: his phone. The name that popped up on the screen
Speaker 7: for my number, said Matthew.
Speaker 1: Matthew.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know what conclusion would you guys
Speaker 7: come up with if you saw that, Oh.
Speaker 1: Exactly what I would see where you would jump to
Speaker 1: that conclusion. The only time a guy would change a
Speaker 1: woman's name in his phone to a male name is
Speaker 1: so that his Yeah, other female in his life wouldn't
Speaker 1: know who's calling, got it.
Speaker 5: So that's the reason why you asked him to take
Speaker 5: you home.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when he came back, I wasn't in the mid
Speaker 7: for dessert. I was just ready to go.
Speaker 1: So so wait, but you never accused him. You never said, hey,
Speaker 1: you're in a relationship with.
Speaker 7: The heck yeah, because I mean it's only a first
Speaker 7: date and I don't know this person.
Speaker 1: I don't believe also, just spent two months with him
Speaker 1: at the run club, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: I think you have every right to be angry. That's
Speaker 1: two months of him lying to you.
Speaker 5: Brook wants you to confront him right now, actually because
Speaker 5: she does essentially.
Speaker 1: What is happening.
Speaker 5: She wants it to happen because we actually already have
Speaker 5: Rick on the other line listening to this, waiting to
Speaker 5: talk seriously. Yeah, Rick, Hi, yeah, yes, hello, I'd start
Speaker 5: explaining yourself there, Rick.
Speaker 6: What is there to explain the thing?
Speaker 1: That's why would you call a radio show if you're
Speaker 1: in another relationship.
Speaker 6: I'm not in a relationship.
Speaker 7: Okay, why did you name me Matthew and your phone?
Speaker 6: Because I just thought it was funny. There's just I
Speaker 6: have my reasons.
Speaker 4: Reason, but it's not.
Speaker 2: But you think the reason you don't have an okay
Speaker 2: right now is that.
Speaker 4: Sounds like I can hear him thinking right now.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Literally, I don't have anything to have an excuse for.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm dating technically, I don't be a problem.
Speaker 4: So there are other women that you're going out with.
Speaker 1: But no one that you call a girlfriend or you're
Speaker 1: committed to wife.
Speaker 6: I'm seeing other people, and for their protection, I change
Speaker 6: their names in my phone.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, who else is texting you?
Speaker 6: Not only do I have a Matthew, but I have
Speaker 6: a John, I have a Mark.
Speaker 4: I've got a lot of names. You got all the Apostles.
Speaker 4: You're just going right down the New Testament.
Speaker 2: You with Bible references. It's weird.
Speaker 6: I mean, you guys are laughing. But I'm going on
Speaker 6: three dates in one week. I don't want these girls
Speaker 6: to feel bad, so I want a guy's name to
Speaker 6: pop up at my phone rings so none of them
Speaker 6: feel bad.
Speaker 1: See for me, that would spark a whole new round
Speaker 1: of suspicions.
Speaker 4: Why does John keep asking what you're wearing? Times?
Speaker 7: I don't know. He's spinning it like it's for our protection,
Speaker 7: but I know that people very It just seems dishonest
Speaker 7: and weird.
Speaker 6: Not dishonest or weird. It's just the way that I date.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, anything, it's all the women going through his
Speaker 1: phone there maybe a little dishonest.
Speaker 5: Well let me let me try to clear things up here,
Speaker 5: because Rick, you say you're seeing a bunch of different
Speaker 5: women and you're dating around, and that's totally fine. But
Speaker 5: can I ask you, are any of these ladies in
Speaker 5: your life? Would any of them consider themselves as your girlfriend?
Speaker 5: Or is this just like you don't see them as
Speaker 5: your girl?
Speaker 4: That's a good question.
Speaker 2: He's like, well, I got a couple of clinging ones.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a couple of them might.
Speaker 4: A couple of them might say they're your girlfriend.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you ask them, possibly, why would they say that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Would they think that because you told them that?
Speaker 6: No, I've never used the term girlfriend in any of
Speaker 6: my dating experience.
Speaker 5: Okay, I mean at this point, we are running out
Speaker 5: of time, so I do need to ask if you
Speaker 5: want to go out on another date?
Speaker 4: But how many run clubs are you in right now? Rick?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: To meet all these men?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean whatever, they are just the one all right?
Speaker 2: But he's in a bowling league.
Speaker 3: He's also part of a white tasting club club.
Speaker 5: And I know this is all looking pretty bad. But
Speaker 5: despite what you've heard, would you be willing to give
Speaker 5: Rick one more chance and go on another date with him?
Speaker 4: Because we'd pay for it?
Speaker 7: No, I don't trust an You guys like well, you
Speaker 7: shouldn't a guy agree with you right now?
Speaker 4: The text war.
Speaker 1: When a guy says there's a couple of women who
Speaker 1: think they're my girlfriend, it's usually a pretty big red flag.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Rick man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: It looks like you're gonna have to block Matthew in
Speaker 5: your phone now, So darn I.
Speaker 2: Think Matthew's blocking him.
Speaker 6: Double ye yeah whatever things anyways, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 4: Look how heartbroken he is.
Speaker 2: This one hurts what girlfriend is? He's going to rush
Speaker 2: home to let me get out.
Speaker 4: The Bible and I'll find out. Gabriel. Oh no, he's
Speaker 4: the saucy one. Jeffrey in the morning.
Speaker 5: I thought it was a good point Alexis brought up
Speaker 5: because it saying, but you know, it does sound like
Speaker 5: it's an okay idea to do with just a couple
Speaker 5: of names. But when you're juggling a bunch of different
Speaker 5: dudes names, swapping him out for girls names, it's gotta
Speaker 5: get really really confusing, really fast.
Speaker 4: Really, my friend matters.
Speaker 1: It's hard enough to remember people's regular names, let alone
Speaker 1: the pseudoname.
Speaker 3: Like a guy that's just calculated before he does anything wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't trust before he does anything wrong.
Speaker 3: He just said that multiple girls think that they're not
Speaker 3: an actual trouble yet.
Speaker 4: Imagine organized.
Speaker 5: Yeah, before you know, he's gonna end up talking to
Speaker 5: some girl named Elizabeth but accidentally call her Hank, and then.
Speaker 4: It'll be super awkward.
Speaker 5: Hopefully we did him a favor by exposing this early
Speaker 5: on in his questionable dating strategy.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't really want to do him any favors.
Speaker 5: Trust he needs some help, Brooke, Come on, if he's
Speaker 5: doing this, he's desperate. Just remember you could check out
Speaker 5: our podcast wherever you get yours Apple, Spotify, iHeart, We're.
Speaker 4: Gonna be there. Just look us up at Brook and
Speaker 4: Jeffrey