1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet. As a production 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: of My Heart Radio and Unboss Creative. I'm Bridget Toad 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: and this is there Are No Girls on the Internet. 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: My favorite Mr. Rogers saying goes like this, Whenever things 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: are scary, look for the people who are helping. There 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: are always helpers, And what's happening on our planet right 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: now is scary. The climate is warming, sea levels are 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: rising in coastal cities like New York and Miami. The 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: West Coast has literally been on fire for weeks. Local 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: species everywhere are threatened with extinction, and around the world, 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: millions of people have already been displaced because of climate change. 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: But as scary and hopeless as that all seems, we 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: should look for the helpers. And even though traditionally marginalized 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: people didn't create this problem, they're the ones who are 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: helping to fix it. Black women like Dr Ayana Elizabeth Johnson. 16 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: Dr Johnson is on a mission to do something about 17 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: climate change. Outside magazine called her the most influential marine 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: biologist of our time. In seventeen, she helped organize the 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,919 Speaker 1: March for Science, in part because she wanted to bust 20 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: the myth that science is something that happens in a 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: lab that doesn't really impact anyone's life. She takes audiences 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: through accessible conversations about climate solutions on her podcast with 23 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: Alex Bloomberg called How to Save a Planet, and this 24 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: fall she published All We Can Save, Truth, Courage, and 25 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: Solutions for the Climate Crisis, an anthology of writing from 26 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: women climate activists at the front line of climate change. 27 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: Now instead of doom and gloom, Dr Johnson wants everyone 28 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: to feel like they have a stake in conversations around climate, 29 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: how by doing what black women always do through creating culture. 30 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: When we spoke last fall, a profile of Dr Johnson 31 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: had just been published in The New York Times, not 32 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: in a science section or the news section, but in 33 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: the Style section. Dr Johnson uses culture to create conversations 34 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: around climate that everyone can see themselves. Reflected in the 35 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: Daughter of first and second generation immigrants. Dr Johnson's mission 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: first began when she was a little girl who fell 37 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: in love with the ocean. Um why oceans just love 38 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: the ocean. It's really lovable. It's really important too in 39 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: terms of the climate system. But that's certainly not what 40 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: made me decide to become a marine biologist At the 41 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: age of five. I think for so many people we 42 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: have this moment where we fall in love with nature, 43 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: whether it's um in the park or in your backyard, 44 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: or hiking or at the beach. And for me, it 45 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: was at the beach when I was five, when I 46 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: learned to swim, when I went on a glass bottom 47 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: boat and saw a coral reef for the first time, 48 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 1: when I held a sea chin in my hand and 49 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: was like, what, There's the whole other world happening under 50 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: the water, and I just I want to know everything 51 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: about it. And so that wonder and became concern as 52 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: I learned how threatened ocean ecosystems were, and then um 53 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: sort of became determination as I realized that I might 54 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 1: be able to help be part of ocean conservation solutions 55 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: and figure out how we could start to turn things around. 56 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: So I watched the video of you, I think, in 57 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: the Caribbean talking about your work with the ocean. You 58 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: were dropping around the beach and the jeep you were 59 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: scuba diving. You looked very very happy. You made being 60 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: a marine biologists look very cool and very fun. I 61 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: mean some of that's not true, right, Like this work 62 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: is hard when that video was filmed. I was diving 63 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: like four times a day for an hour or so 64 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: each the waters like eighty degrees and you're still shivering 65 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: because your body temperature drops because you're in water temperature 66 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: for so long. Um. Even wearing a wetsuits, you're like 67 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: shivering in eighty degree water, and like you're just salty 68 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: and wrinkled, and your skin and your hair and everything 69 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: is just like angry at you. Um, And it's exhausting. 70 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: It's like physically really was extremely hard work that I 71 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: was doing, trying to do this experiment to see how 72 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: we could redesign fish traps to make them more sustainable, 73 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: so they were only catching the fish that the fishermen wanted. Um. 74 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: And I'm so glad I did that work. And I 75 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: love being outside and being in the sun and in 76 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: the water. But um, yeah, I'm sure some of those 77 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: smiles were for the camera. It's not as glamorous says 78 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: it look. Something I really like about your work is 79 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: that you focus on people. You know, you talk about 80 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: overfishing and climate change and habitat destruction and the ways 81 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: that it disproportionately impacts poor people and marginalize people in 82 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: coastal cities. So how can we get people to understand 83 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: that this is an actual issue that impacts actual people 84 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: and their lives. You know, it's not a pet issue 85 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: for wealthy people who just own beach houses by the ocean, 86 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, Nor is it an issue that's really abstract. 87 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: You know, when I was coming of age, the big 88 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: slogan around the environment was saved the whales, and yes, 89 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: save the whales, but also save us, save the people 90 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: whose actual lives are at risk. Allow people to live actual, 91 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: stable lives and not worry that everything they love and 92 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: no is going to be washed out by some superstorm. Yeah, 93 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: I think it's just talking about it more so when 94 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: we think about hurricanes, for example, um which are getting 95 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: stronger and wetter because of climate change, and we think 96 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: about the coastal communities that are most affected, it is 97 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: often poor communities and communities of color along the coast 98 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: who are impacted the hardest. And those are not their 99 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: vacation homes right like, they don't have another place to go. 100 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: And so there's a real need to think through more 101 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: proactively because we know the storms are going to keep coming, 102 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: we know the sea level is going to continue rising. 103 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: Even if we stopped all emissions today, we've sort of 104 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: already baked in a certain amount of change that we're 105 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: going to continue to see, and so we owe it 106 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: to each other to start to think through how to 107 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: adapt to this changing world. Um And for coastal communities, 108 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: the term that's being used right now is called managed retreat, 109 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: and managed retreat is this idea or planned retreat that 110 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: we can't just fortify our coastlines and hold back the 111 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: entire ocean. It's just not going to work. There's not 112 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: enough money, there's not enough resources, there's not enough time. 113 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: We can't like build a wall around all of the 114 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: United States of America and you know, other countries to 115 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: protect ourselves from the rising waters. So that becomes a 116 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: question of, like, well, the rot waters are rising, how 117 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: do we plan that, How do we adapt for that, 118 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: How do we move people out of harm's way, how 119 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: do we try to keep communities together in that process? 120 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: Because people are really strongly tied to the places where 121 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: they're from and to the people who um they share 122 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: that place with, and so there's a deep cultural conversation 123 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: that needs to be had around our relationship with the coastline. 124 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,119 Speaker 1: And I think it's just really critical that we start 125 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: having it soon nor than later, and not have this 126 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: not continue to live in denial of the fact that like, oh, 127 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: we'll just rebuild after every storm, we'll just rebuild stronger, 128 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: because then we're just putting ourselves and each other continually, 129 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: continually in harm's way, instead of actually thinking through what 130 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: would it look like to adapt to this new normal, 131 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: which is a really sad conversation to have to have, 132 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: but ignoring it doesn't make it go away, and ignoring 133 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: it means that the people with the fewest resources to 134 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: move or to rebuild will continue to bear the brunt 135 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: of the impacts of climate change, because what we've seen 136 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: all over the world is that the people who did 137 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: the least to cause it, who you just use the 138 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: least fossil fuels, who have the least money, are the 139 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: ones who are disproportionately impacted. And so this idea of 140 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: climate justice and a just transition and really needing to 141 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: think through how we take care of each other as 142 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: we figure out how to adapt to climate change is 143 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: just so critical. Otherwise we can imagine this world in 144 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: which we're just implementing these techno utopian silicon valley solutions 145 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: that don't actually take into consideration people and culture and 146 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: race and class and access to resources. UM. As we 147 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: think about what we want to do, what is the 148 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: link between racism and climate change? One way to think 149 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: about the link between racism and climate changes so who 150 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: lives where? And often when we think about New Orleans, 151 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: we think about New York. Poor people and people of 152 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: color live in the most low lying, most vulnerable areas. UM. 153 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: In New York City and Hurricane Sandy hit that became 154 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: really apparent. A lot of housing projects were right on 155 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: the coast in these really dangerous spots UM and a 156 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: lot of those people were renters and didn't have insurance 157 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: that would help them UM put their lives back together. 158 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: And UM. Certainly the same was true in New Orleans 159 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: as that absolute travesty played out on cold that the 160 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: New Orleans Police put out a call to while his 161 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: officers saying, if you have a boat, bring it here, 162 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: help us. These are people who do not have the 163 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: wherewithal to get out of town. They didn't have cars, 164 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: There's no way they could pay for a hotel room. 165 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: They aid in their houses because they had to. And 166 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: then the water came up and I think what people 167 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: don't realize when we think about these storms is that 168 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the damage is done afterwards. It's not 169 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: the wind, it's the water. And it's how long we 170 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: wait to clean things up. Um, it's how long it 171 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: takes to start the recovery effort. It's whether or not 172 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: we foolishly rebuild in the same place. So, and those 173 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: are all decisions that are made by people in power 174 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: who prioritize certain demographics or others often and so we've 175 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: we've seen that play out time and time again. Certainly 176 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: New Orleans is a prime example of that, just the 177 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: utter neglect of the communities down there and what they 178 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: would have needed to get back on their feet. So 179 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to think through these things in general terms, 180 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: sometimes these connections between climate change and racism. But it's 181 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: the same, it's the same system, it's the same sort 182 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: of neglect. It's the same overlooking that you see in 183 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: education or health care when we think about who we're 184 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: prioritizing as we sort of move forward as a society 185 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: and who we're sort of okay leaving behind. Um. And 186 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: So I'm just I've just been really pleased in the 187 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: last year to see this term climate justice really become 188 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: a major rallying call for the broader climate movement and 189 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: environmental justice advocates have been working on these issues for 190 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: a really long time, but they haven't been brought into 191 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: the mainstream environmental movement until the last few years. And 192 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: now when you go to a climate march, one of 193 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: the major your chance that you hear is what do 194 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: we want climate justice? When do we want it now? 195 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: And to hear that being like the most popular chant 196 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: to me signals that we may actually be at a 197 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: really important inflection point in the climate movement where people 198 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: realize that we can't separate the injustices of who's bearing 199 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: the brunt of these climate impacts with the need to 200 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: address the climate problem more generally. When I first heard 201 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: the term of climate injustice or climate justice, that was 202 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: my mind. It really helped me understand the sort of 203 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: depth of the issue in a way that I feel 204 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: like climate change doesn't really encompass. I mean, when you 205 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: think about who created the problem, right, it's fossil fuel companies, 206 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: It's politicians who are in their pockets and not actually 207 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: representing the best interest of their constituents. It's actually like 208 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: a pretty small group of people with a lot of 209 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: money and a lot of power who created as mess. 210 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: So it's insanely in just when we think about poor 211 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: communities and communities of color who are just slammed with 212 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: all of the impacts of that the heat waves, I mean, 213 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: just thinking about people who don't who can't afford to 214 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: run their air conditioners all the time, um, and whose 215 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: electricity bills are going through the roof because the temperatures 216 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: are changing. Um. When we think about farmers who the 217 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: seasonal changes are impacting their ability to grow food, um. 218 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: And the floods that are coming and damaging all the 219 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: farms in the Midwest. I mean, all of these things, 220 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: those people didn't cause them. We didn't cause this individually. 221 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: There's a whole system set up to subsidize the fossil 222 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: fuel industry, and until until just recently, it's worked way 223 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: too well. I mean, we've the development of solar and 224 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: wind and all these renewable energies has been slowed down 225 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: by people who are worried about impacting their profits to 226 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: see these other cleaner renewable approaches become more common. And 227 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: so when we think about it, in those very stark 228 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: terms of who caused the problem and who's getting screwed. 229 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: It becomes so clear that this is just a massive injustice. 230 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: More after a quick break, let's get right back to it. 231 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: Does the massive scale of the climate injustice happening on 232 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: our planet make you feel a certain kind of dread 233 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: about our collective future? If so, you're not alone. Do 234 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: you ever feel kind of a massive sense of existential dread? 235 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: Do you think about this? I mean, like, how do 236 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: you how do you save that all? Like how do 237 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: you not feel complete on we? I guess it's it's 238 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: really scary. I mean I read the scientific projections and 239 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm deeply concerned about the future, and not just because 240 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: of how much the climate is changing, but also because, 241 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: like humans can be really terrible to each other in 242 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: times of crisis. There are these beautiful moments where people 243 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: come together and help each other in a moment of crisis, 244 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: and then you know, in the if the crisis is prolonged, 245 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: people start to fight for limited resources and and scarcity 246 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: drives all sorts of conflict. And so I'm not just 247 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: worried about like the changes to the physical climate and 248 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: what the impact of that has, but like I'm worried 249 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: about how we're going to treat each other. Are we 250 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: going to have the generosity that we need and the 251 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: collective spirit that we need to get through this together? Um? 252 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I'm really worried and I'm really scared, 253 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: And the thing that keeps me going is trying to 254 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: just figure out how I can contribute, because we really 255 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: do have a lot in our hands of how bad 256 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: it gets, like climate, the climate has already changed. We 257 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: can't stop climate change, but we certainly can think about 258 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: an act on how do we minimize the impacts? How 259 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: do we actually transform our society into one where we 260 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: can continue to thrive. That will look very different, but 261 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: it could be more egalitarian and safer and healthier. Because 262 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: the fossil fuel industry has also just absolutely been damaging 263 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: to public health and air quality. And we think about 264 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: all of the you know, inner city communities or communities 265 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: near power plants that are breathing in all these emissions. 266 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: That's environmental racism too, right, And so not only do 267 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: we have to think about, um, the long term impacts 268 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: of our current system, but also there are some really 269 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: short term benefits of getting it together. So I guess 270 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: what the science says is that there's a huge range 271 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: of possible future still, like we can't go back to 272 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: the past climate, but we still have massive influence over 273 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: what the future climate looks like. Are we going to 274 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: warm you know one and a half degrees or two 275 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: degrees or three degrees global average? Are we going to 276 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: have you know, three ft of sea level of sea 277 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: level rise or three meters of sea level rise? Like 278 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: those are that's within our control, UM, And I just 279 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: I know that we have all the solutions we need, 280 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: like we literally have them, from transforming our agriculture to 281 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: regenerative practices to absorb more carbon, to renewable clean energy, 282 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: to electrifying transportation, Like we already have the solutions we need. 283 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: We could certainly use more technological advancement, but like we 284 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: could do it now with what we already know. It's 285 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: just a matter of getting corporations and politicians and UM 286 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: finance all headed in the right direction. So although I'm 287 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: really really scared, and sometimes I read the latest scientific 288 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: reports and just cry on the subway, UM, I also 289 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: know that it's way too soon to give up, and 290 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 1: there's so much that we can shift and influence and 291 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: shape like, if black people are not part of the 292 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: conversation of policymaking and the direction of financing and how 293 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: we're going to adapt locally to all these impacts, then 294 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: we won't come up with the solutions we need and 295 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: we won't be protecting the people that we love. And 296 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: so I feel like it's I I started out as 297 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: a marine biologist, and now I work on climate basically 298 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 1: full time. I'm not scuba diving accounting fish anymore. I'm 299 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: thinking about how do we leverage all this amazing science 300 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 1: and information we have to make really good decisions about 301 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: the future and about how we can protect each other 302 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: and minimize the risks that we're facing. UM. So I 303 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: I I think if I weren't participating in the solutions, 304 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: I would be totally overwhelmed. But there's a way that 305 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: everyone can be part of the solution. There's a way 306 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: that we can do it UM by voting and holding 307 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: our elected officials accountable, making sure they are pushing through 308 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: the strongest possible climate policy. And that's not just at 309 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: a presidential level. That's at a state and local level 310 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: where a lot of these decisions get made about. UM, 311 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: what are the sources of energy how are we adapting 312 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: to these changes and whether how are we making buildings 313 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: more energy efficient, how are we transforming our public transit systems. 314 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: A lot of these are local decisions and making sure 315 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: that our politicians know that we are holding them accountable 316 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: and that they have our permission to charge ahead with 317 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: all these important things. That's that's one way that people 318 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: can be involved. Another one is UM certainly thinking about 319 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: how you can vote with your dollars UM. Every dollar 320 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: we spend is an investment in the future that we 321 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: want to see, and that makes me feel really powerful 322 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: sometimes even though I don't have as my need dollars 323 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: as other people for sure, but I think when I 324 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: think about, you know, where what bank I use, or 325 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: where I have my retirement fund, or which UM funds 326 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: that's invested in. Am I investing in the continuation of 327 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: the fossil fuel economy? Or am I putting my money 328 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: where my mouth is and actually making sure that that 329 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: money is going towards UM, renewables and other shifts towards 330 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: the future that we need UM. And then I also 331 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: love to think about, you know, how we use our 332 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: networks and our time. Everyone is super influential in their sphere, 333 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: whether that's their family or their school, or their church, 334 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: or their sports team and or their office. And I 335 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: think the transformations that we can make in those areas 336 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: can be really influential. If we can shift a place 337 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: that we work towards UM reducing waste and renewable energy, 338 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: that's massive. UM. If we can change our school, our 339 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: church to investing in renewable energy and different transportation systems, 340 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: that makes a really big deal. So I think there's 341 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: this middle ground between individual actions. People like to think 342 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: of it as like I'll reduced my carbon footprint UM 343 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: as an individual, or you think about it as like 344 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: massive social change that's like how can you even think 345 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: about how to participate in that? UM? But there's this 346 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: whole middle ground of things that we can do to 347 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: shift UM whatever our sphere of influences UM. And everyone's 348 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: got these special skills, right, So, Like, if you're a 349 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: podcast host, obviously we should be talking about this everywhere 350 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: all the time. If you're a lawyer, there's so much 351 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: work to be done. If you're an artist, there's so 352 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: much cultural work that needs to be done to shift 353 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: the status quo and just change the public discourse. If UM, 354 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: if you throw great parties, like we need to be 355 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: bringing people together around these issues. If you're good at 356 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: getting people to open their wallets, like we need to 357 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: fund this transformation. So whatever it is that people are 358 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: good at, they can bring that to this work. And 359 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: we don't have to create something new. We can collaborate 360 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: under existing structures, we can join existing organizations, and there's 361 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: just lots of different ways to plug in. So I 362 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: really want people to understand that everyone can be a 363 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: part of the solution. There the role for everyone to play, 364 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: no matter how much money you have or how much 365 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: time you have for you know what your area of 366 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: expertise is, Like, this is this incredible all hands on 367 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: deck moment, and we have to completely transform society and 368 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: we need everyone to be a part of that. So 369 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: um and thankfully this movement is finally diversifying, so it's 370 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: a more welcoming home for everybody to As big and 371 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: scary as climate change feels, there are still reasons to 372 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: be hopeful. Our climate movement is becoming bigger and more inclusive, 373 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: with more and more people feeling like they can meaningfully 374 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: take part in it. And whereas climate was once treated 375 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: like a niche issue, a few years ago. Now politicians 376 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: are actually incorporating it into their plans. During the Democratic 377 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: presidential primary, Dr Johnson helps then presidential primary candidate Elizabeth 378 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: Warren draft the first ever Blue New Deal, a plan 379 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: for our oceans. In the same way that this election 380 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: cycle has seen every Democratic presidential candidate police climate policy proposals, 381 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: I'd love to see more people step up and think 382 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: about their ocean policy proposals as a part of that, 383 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: and more broadly UM because we've seen this really beautiful 384 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: race to the talk in terms of like who has 385 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: the best climate policy being a thing that people are 386 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: now competing for, which is totally unprecedented. It used to 387 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: be like a side issue. And now even though the 388 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: moderators at the debates aren't really asking enough questions about it, 389 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: and even though it's not really getting enough coverage on 390 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: major UM news outlets, the Green New Deal in particular, 391 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: the candidates are talking about it anyway because they know 392 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: that the voters are super concerned. Climate is the number 393 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: one issue for a huge number of voters UM, and 394 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: communit needs of color are more concerned, often than their 395 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: white counterparts about how this will impact them. Because communities 396 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: of color no, they're on the front lines of these changes. 397 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: So um, we have now for the first time, reached 398 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: this um dipping point where the majority of Americans are 399 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: concerned or alarmed about the impacts of climate change, and 400 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: so politicians are following our lead to try to address 401 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: these concerns. And so culture leads politics, and so there's 402 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: this great opportunity to combine art and culture to think 403 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: about how do we want to envision and design the 404 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 1: world we want to live in, and how can we 405 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: push policy to help facilitate that transition that we need. Absolutely, like, 406 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: that's exactly what we want to do, sort of be 407 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: part of that cultural shifts because not everybody is, you know, 408 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: a scientist, not everybody can can get involved in that level. 409 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: But to like what you were saying, everybody has their 410 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: role to play, whether you're a podcast host or you're 411 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: just like the mouthy person in your family who's gonna, 412 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, make your mom stop using single youth plastics 413 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: or whatever, you know. And I think that's really important 414 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: that we talk about it because a lot of people 415 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: think that other people aren't concerned. They don't want to 416 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: bring it up. You don't want to have an argument 417 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: with like a climate denier, But the vast majority of 418 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: Americans know that climate change is happening and are really concerned. 419 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: And the more that we can talk about it and 420 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: talk about what we want to do about it, the 421 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: faster we can get these solutions up and running. And 422 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: so I just want to encourage everyone listening to to 423 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: talk about this with your friends and your family and 424 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,959 Speaker 1: your coworkers, because if we ignore it, that's certainly not 425 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: going to help. And if and if we don't talk 426 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: about it, other people don't know that it's okay to 427 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: talk about it. It's okay to be concerned. Um. And 428 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: if people don't hear others talking about it, you think, well, 429 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: maybe it's out that big a deal. Maybe I'm just 430 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: like kicking out for no reason. Um. And so that 431 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: is one thing that absolutely everyone can do, is just 432 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: start talking about it so we can all work through 433 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: this crazy mass together. For a long time, the climatepit 434 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: felt so overwhelmingly white. How does it feel to know 435 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: there are so many amazing black women leaders in the space. 436 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: You know, I think some folks might be surprised to 437 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: find that out. I mean, I mean, who is surprised 438 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: that black women are leaders like those people who we 439 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: haven't attention um to American history, right. UM. I think 440 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: this intersection of climate change and social justice means that um, 441 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: you know, and it's two people who are in this 442 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: field or related fields. It's so stark and we need 443 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: to do what we can to address that. And so 444 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: the n double a CP has had a climate and 445 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: environmental justice program for over a decade, led by Jackie Patterson, 446 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: which is amazing um and doing really important work. There's 447 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: Kendra Pierre Lewis, who's on the climate desk at The 448 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: New York Times writing some of the most important stories 449 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: about this work. Rihanna Gunwright, who's one of the policy 450 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: leads for the Green New Deal. There's a whole crew 451 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: of incredible, brilliant and generous and bighearted women of color 452 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: doing this work. And it's just such a joy to 453 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: get to collaborate with them, UM and see how they're 454 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: doing this work and approaching it in a much more 455 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: nuanced way. UM. And that gives me a lot of UM. 456 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: It makes me really happy. It's really beautiful and the 457 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: the sas and the joy and the um creativity that 458 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: black women are bringing to this space is just overwhelmingly beautiful. 459 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: So um. If anyone else wants to get in the game, 460 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: there's plenty of room. Um, and there's so much work 461 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: to be done, Doctor Ayanna Johnson saving the planet. We 462 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: also talking style and the pages of the New York Times, which, 463 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: by the way, the coolest thing I've ever seen. Trying 464 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: to get this in the center of culture right, Like 465 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: if if climate and ocean issues are just in the 466 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: science section, then we lose. This has to be in 467 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: the style section, Like, help me make this cool, Bridget Well, 468 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: I think you're doing a great job. 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