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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a married special education teacher,

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Speaker 1: threatens I'll throw up busted on sex abuse with a

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Speaker 1: teen boy, now claiming wait for it, that she has

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Speaker 1: been framed because she's so good looking. Her words not mine.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 2: Christina Formela is a Concordia University grad and former soccer

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Speaker 2: team star. Now she's a special ed teacher and soccer

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Speaker 2: coach at Downers Grove High School in Illinois. But for

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Speaker 2: Mela's world comes crashing down when a dark secret is

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Speaker 2: revealed at a routine traffic stop.

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Speaker 3: A dark secret. I don't know that I would call.

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Speaker 1: Alleged sex abuse on a child a miner that is

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Speaker 1: your student.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I.

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Speaker 1: Would call that a secret. I think more apropriately, I

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Speaker 1: would call it a felony. But caught on tape the

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Speaker 1: married special ed teacher, for Peace's sake, they were practically

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Speaker 1: still on their honeymoon.

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Speaker 3: They'd only been married less than.

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Speaker 1: A year, I believe, caught on bodycam threatening to throw up. Well,

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Speaker 1: after I learned about this case and investigated it myself,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to throw up too.

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Speaker 3: But let's take a look.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people have claimed she is so called

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Speaker 1: glamorous special ed teacher.

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Speaker 3: She's not glamorous to me.

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Speaker 1: I have prosecuted so many child rape and child sex

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Speaker 1: abuse cases. She looks like she's straight from hell to me.

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Speaker 1: But you decide. Let's watch what was caught on police bodycam?

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Speaker 4: How you doing flicer go with Donor's girl, Jeffrey license

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Speaker 4: on you? Yeah, I'm sure a cofews. I was playing

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Speaker 4: ta door Christina, okay for change.

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Speaker 5: Me faiting step on the car for me.

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Speaker 6: I know your Cons'll explain everything to you.

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Speaker 5: You don't have anything on you.

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Speaker 7: You can grab whatever you need, whatever I need.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, whatever you need to get your phone, your your

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Speaker 6: first go and grab it.

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Speaker 5: Is she going somewhere?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're gonna explain everything to you. Guys, go and

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Speaker 6: grab out. We're not going anywere right now.

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Speaker 7: Of course, of course.

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Speaker 8: I understand what's going on here.

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Speaker 5: I get it. Yeah, you can go grab your things.

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Speaker 8: Can you come with me?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Yes, you stay there for right now? Is there to

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Speaker 7: stay there?

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Speaker 1: But well yes you can uh uh straight out to

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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, joining US Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security leading

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Speaker 1: a team of investigators every single day.

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Speaker 3: Why are they being so solicitous to her?

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Speaker 1: She is charged with molesting a minor, a teen boy,

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Speaker 1: and I believe still lying about it, claiming it only

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Speaker 1: happened once. Uh okay, but that said, Fitzgibbons, what happened

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Speaker 1: to licensed registration? Why are they saying, I'm sure you're confused.

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Speaker 1: I'll explain everything. You're Christina. What are they on a

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Speaker 1: first night basis?

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Speaker 7: So here's the deal, Nancy.

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Speaker 10: I believe that that police officer actually did a very

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Speaker 10: excellent job with this contact with Christina.

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Speaker 7: Formella number one.

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Speaker 10: He secured that cell phone, which is going to be

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Speaker 10: a key piece of evidence in this case, and he

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Speaker 10: got that without a fight from her. So he de

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Speaker 10: escalated the situation and secured the cell phone which is

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Speaker 10: going to be the number one appropriate piece of evidence.

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Speaker 7: Here.

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Speaker 1: Put fitz Gibbons up. Fitz Gibbons, I actually agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. However, I believe they're being overly

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Speaker 1: solicitous to what police say, what prosecutors say is a

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Speaker 1: child molester. Fitz Gibbons, you're not bending over backwards for

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Speaker 1: for Mela Christina Frommela, but as she's attractive, are you

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Speaker 1: You know it has been argued in the past by

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Speaker 1: other teachers now convicted of child.

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Speaker 3: Abuse that they were too pretty for jail. You're not

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Speaker 7: Certainly not? Nancy.

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Speaker 10: What I saw there was the officer doing everything to

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Speaker 10: make sure he preserved that key piece of evidence.

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Speaker 7: I think he knew exactly what he was doing here.

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Speaker 7: And you're right.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at Christina Formella, special ed teacher

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Speaker 1: now charged with child sex abuse with a student, a

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Speaker 3: By the way. Oh here, she threatens to throw up.

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Speaker 11: Unless sure you don't want to tissue or something?

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Speaker 12: All right, Sea, there, can.

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Speaker 5: You get like a bag? She SuDS, she gets nauseous. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I don't know. Do we have any of those amesis bags?

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Speaker 5: Like going around with fo I figure she was something

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Speaker 8: Here.

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Speaker 5: Who stay with the agram?

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Speaker 1: I think I'm going to hyperventilate right now watching her

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Speaker 1: hold on just a moment to Scott Iiker joining me.

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Speaker 1: He's joining us later regarding a cell phone analysis but

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Speaker 1: he was the founding member, a founding member of the

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Speaker 1: FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team.

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Speaker 3: But for this question, former police officer.

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Speaker 1: Home Side detective with Norfolk, Virginia Police Department twelve years Scott,

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Speaker 1: I thought they were being again over solicits too. Who

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Speaker 1: are going you need a tissue? Do you need a

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Speaker 1: vomit bag? But I assume you've been in the back

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Speaker 1: of a cruiser before, Scott, iiker, Well, I've.

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Speaker 13: Been in the back of a cruiser, but not in

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Speaker 13: her position. You can see what starting to come over her.

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Speaker 13: She's started to realize what she's done and she's been caught,

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Speaker 13: and that would make me nauseous too. If I was

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Speaker 13: in her position and I can see like.

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Speaker 1: Her will put you mean, she's not sorry she did it,

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Speaker 1: she just doesn't want to go to Hillfort. I was

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Speaker 1: getting to the vomit bag they have to work in

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Speaker 1: that cruiser. I have been there when patrol men and

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Speaker 1: patrol women have to literally hose out the back seat

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Speaker 1: of a cruiser. There's drugs, there's vomit, there's urine, there's feces,

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Speaker 1: there's spit where they try to spit at the officers.

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Speaker 3: The back seat is like has matt to the max.

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Speaker 3: So that's why.

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Speaker 1: I believe they're offering her a vomit bag, you know,

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Speaker 1: like the kind you get on a plane.

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Speaker 13: Oh, I definitely agree, and I've had to clean out

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Speaker 13: And that smell never goes away, I swear at the

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Speaker 3: No j never ever goes away. Cops drive with the

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Speaker 1: It doesn't help joining me an all star panel to

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Speaker 1: make sense of what we're learning right now. But I'm

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Speaker 1: going to see that body cam one more time.

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Speaker 3: Now. You see her threatening.

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Speaker 1: To throw up, you see her seemingly hyperventilating, crying.

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Speaker 3: Let's listen to it one more time.

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Speaker 11: Unless you have Luricia down there, I'm sure you don't

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Speaker 5: All right, Sean like the bag?

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Speaker 9: O there, pro driver.

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Speaker 7: Can you get like a bag?

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Speaker 5: She said? She gets nauseous. Yeah, I don't know. Do

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Speaker 5: we have any of those Emesis bags? Like going around

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Speaker 5: the spot, I figure she was something better than with

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Speaker 5: the autogram.

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Speaker 14: Eric Fattus really well, Nancy, and looking at her reaction there,

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Speaker 14: one could argue it is consistent with someone who was

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Speaker 14: just caught for something they did.

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Speaker 3: On the other hand, when you look.

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Speaker 14: At it, she's confused, she's hyperventilating, she's crying, she's saying

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Speaker 14: she's nauseous. All of those things could also be consistent

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Speaker 14: with someone who has been accused of something horrendous and

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Speaker 14: who didn't do it. So I'm not sure we could

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Speaker 1: Faddess, she hasn't been told yet of what she is accused,

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Speaker 1: so that argument just went right down technical legal phrase

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Speaker 1: the crapper. Okay, so she's not high perventialigning because they

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Speaker 1: just told her what she's accused of.

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Speaker 3: She hasn't been told yet, so take another swing at

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Speaker 14: Even if she wasn't apprized of the exact nature of

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Speaker 14: is distressing, surely, and even more so if a person

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Speaker 14: did not do anything criminal there and they're you know,

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Speaker 14: sort of be fuddled about what in the world is

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm not taking a.

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Speaker 14: Personal position on the facts, but I'm just saying that

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Speaker 14: reaction has multiple interpretations.

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Speaker 1: Okay, even if she had been at that juncture told

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Speaker 1: why she was arrested, you still are standing by your story.

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Speaker 14: I'm just saying, in terms of a human reaction to

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Speaker 14: a very distressing situation, that can be interpreted multiple ways,

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Speaker 14: and those expressions that we're seeing, those those outward behaviors

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Speaker 14: are consistent with someone who has been caught for doing

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Speaker 14: being accused of something she didn't do. And so I

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Speaker 14: just think at this juncture there's just those inclutions that

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Speaker 1: because I'm not quite sure in this series of body

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Speaker 1: she doesn't. If you've been accused of child molestation, you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say, I've never done that in my life, that

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Speaker 1: did not happen. I want a lawyer, you wouldn't say that.

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Speaker 14: Me personally, as a seasoned attorney, I absolutely would say that.

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Speaker 14: But you know, a thirty year old special education teacher

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Speaker 14: and soccer coach, perhaps that is just not front of

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Speaker 1: She's a twelve year old little girl in the fifth

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Speaker 1: she's just thirty years old special ed teacher. To be

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Speaker 1: a special ed teacher, you have to go to four

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Speaker 1: years of school, four years of college. Plus all sorts

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Speaker 1: of certifications. This is an educated person that's been out in.

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Speaker 3: The workforce for years.

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Speaker 1: But you're telling me she's so naive she doesn't know

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Speaker 3: I want a lawyer.

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Speaker 14: The thing is that there's no playbook for how to

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Speaker 14: people might react one way, whereas others might react a differently.

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Speaker 14: And I'm just in looking at this without some sort

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Speaker 14: of psychological evaluation, it's just hard to say exactly where

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Speaker 14: that reaction is coming from.

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Speaker 1: Okay, who is this woman? Christina Formela?

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 9: Christina Formela is a special education teacher and soccer coach

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Speaker 9: at Donors Grove South High School, a proud Mustang since

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Speaker 9: twenty twenty for Mela graduated from Concordia University three years

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Speaker 9: earlier as an accomplished student athlete, playing as a starter

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Speaker 9: in forty nine soccer matches during her college career. That's

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Speaker 9: where Christina meets her now husband, also a student athlete,

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Speaker 9: a pitcher on the baseball team for Christina's senior year.

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Speaker 9: They share the number twenty two. The happy couple tie

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Speaker 9: the not in a gorgeous summer ceremony August of twenty

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Speaker 9: twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Crime Stories, investigative reporter Sydney Sumner. Sydney

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Speaker 1: tell me how the whole thing unfolded? What is she

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Speaker 1: charged with? How did the whole thing start? Is it true?

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Speaker 1: According to police, these are all just allegations. She has

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Speaker 1: not been proven guilty. She's still presumed innocent under the law.

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Speaker 1: According to police, she began flirting with a teen boy

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Speaker 1: one of her students, and that continued on a school app.

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Speaker 9: Nancy So, a mother of a Downer's Grove student, went

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Speaker 3: Okay, Sidney, I don't like what you just said.

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Speaker 1: Some you remind me of so many defendants that would

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Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, we're calling that a rape. That's exactly what

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Speaker 9: This should be a trusted relationship. And the school said

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Speaker 7: So we do have an investigation going on. We have

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Speaker 6: Okay, so everything you there, it's not my investigation.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I'm willing to go with it. I did it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, unfortunately, we have to do it that way to

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Speaker 7: Just tack this off, joining me.

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Speaker 1: An all star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: are learning tonight. A According to some people, gorgeous thirty

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Speaker 1: Is it true Sidney Sumner that she also kept a

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Speaker 9: Fancy that is correct, though there are reports of this

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Speaker 3: Victim, me, what did you just say?

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Speaker 1: The more you say something, the more likely it's going

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Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, this is a mantra. It's called manifestation that

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've heard of manifestation. I didn't think anyone actually

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Speaker 1: hear what we've learned about her memoir that she kept

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Speaker 3: But you've got to hear this. Listen.

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Speaker 15: I'm not sad. I'm being mad that I let a

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Speaker 15: with you through thick and thin, who would have changed

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Speaker 3: What is she talking about? Wait a minute, who I

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Speaker 3: definitely need a shrink.

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Speaker 3: Do you hear her?

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Speaker 1: This is the woman, the grown married woman claiming quote,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sad, I am effing mad.

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Speaker 3: I led a sixteen year old confession f with me like.

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Speaker 1: That, and I made a promise to myself I will

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Speaker 1: Ever did she put a bunch of exclamations with hearts

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Speaker 3: I don't know. In the end, we both lost.

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Speaker 1: What you lost a girl who would have stuck with

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Speaker 1: about herself to make you happy. What get a divorce

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Speaker 1: and go back in time to will She was a

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Speaker 1: I met you. What is she talking about, Anna Sinota?

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Speaker 8: This is no girl. This is a full grown, thirty

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Speaker 8: here is that predators run on gas. What does that mean?

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Speaker 8: That means you need to have grooming access and space.

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Speaker 8: So she groomed this boy using flattery, kindness, and highlighting

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Speaker 1: She's acting a lot, She's got a future with this

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Speaker 3: Okay, where does her husband fit into this scenario?

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Speaker 1: Much less the police, But I want you to hear

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Speaker 15: Listen is going to reach out to me soon and

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Speaker 15: going to live my best life knowing he's not the

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Speaker 3: We will both get the.

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Speaker 15: Closure we need in order to move on in a

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Speaker 15: healthy way. We will be able to be a part

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Speaker 15: other's lives forever. We will be able to love each

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Speaker 1: What a whack a doodle, We will be in each

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Speaker 1: other's lives forever. In camps, we will be in each

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Speaker 1: other's lives forever. Yes, you will when he and his

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Speaker 1: mommy show up to keep you out from getting parole.

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Speaker 1: So that's a long time in the future. That's something

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Speaker 1: for you to think about crime stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner. Is this her manifesting again? Victim is going

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Speaker 3: He is a little boy. What is she saying?

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Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, So these are her manifestations. A thirty year

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Speaker 8: So not her.

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Speaker 9: Husband, not wanting to further her career, not wanting to

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Speaker 9: That's what's going through her mind every night.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, we all need to shrink right

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Speaker 1: about now.

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Speaker 3: Joining us.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologists specializing in this line of

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Speaker 1: work at Panthermedigation dot com, and she is an author

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Speaker 1: as well, Criminal behavior and my favorite where law and

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Speaker 3: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, thank you for being with us. What

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Speaker 1: We will, in all caps, be in each other's lives forever.

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Speaker 1: healthy way. That ship has sailed, Doctor Sherry.

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Speaker 16: Correct, and what I see, what I'm hearing is something

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Speaker 16: that's very dark. Sexual predators need to keep their victims close,

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Speaker 5: Guess.

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Speaker 17: In addition to the text messages, police also find several

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Speaker 9: Am I in trouble?

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Speaker 16: Like I'm I'm so lost right now?

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Speaker 9: I'm ok?

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Speaker 12: You are you talking about all these topion aps right now?

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Speaker 12: You're made to fame? More investigations.

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Speaker 5: Never bring you in to the list her, And.

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Speaker 7: Once you get there, they're gonna tell you what I.

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Speaker 10: Am.

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Speaker 3: I in trouble?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you are.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: One of the most damning pieces of evidence the state

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Speaker 3: That's not how I would put it.

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Speaker 3: Any idea what was happening? Htl n oh. But you

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Speaker 1: Talking as if she has somehow been quote done wrong.

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Speaker 15: Listen, I, once again, from day to one, called your

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Speaker 15: next girlfriend. You're so predictable and disgusting, shocker. You cheated

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Speaker 15: on me with her. All I was to you was

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Speaker 15: somebody to I'm not upset, I'm not mad, I'm not

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Speaker 15: any of that. I've just lost interest. I went back

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Speaker 15: and screenshot it every single time that I said we

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Speaker 15: should break up until after the wedding and after you graduated,

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Speaker 15: and every single time you came back and convinced me

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Speaker 15: it would be fine. I initiated every single breakup, only

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Speaker 15: for you to end things saying you couldn't get over it.

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Speaker 15: You ruined us us.

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Speaker 1: You ruined us like they have a future, like they're

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Speaker 1: going to get married.

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Speaker 3: Simmy Summer explained to me what she wrote.

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Speaker 1: Did she actually say she wanted to quote break up

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Speaker 1: with the little boy after the wedding?

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Speaker 3: Yes, she did, Nancy.

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Speaker 9: She explained that in very good detail for prosecutors in

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Speaker 9: the future as this case goes to trial. She specifically

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Speaker 9: mentioned both this teen boy's graduation and her own wedding,

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Speaker 9: once again establishing that timeline that the rape occurred. In

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Speaker 9: December of twenty twenty three, almost a year before her wedding,

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Speaker 9: So she references this victim by name multiple times and

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Speaker 9: in his breakup in this breakup letter, what this reads

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Speaker 9: as with the teen boy, she also references his new

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Speaker 9: girlfriend's name, so lots of contexts to establish that this

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Speaker 9: note is about the victim.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney Eric fattis

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Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier correctly that the defendant, the special ed

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Speaker 1: teacher Christina FROMMELA, claims the boy, the little boy, grabbed

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Speaker 1: her phone, put in her code, and sent himself flirty

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Speaker 1: and sexu related messages that he, a little boy, had

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Speaker 1: the wherewithal to think that he would frame her for

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Speaker 1: future blackmail.

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Speaker 3: Now she's already put that.

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Speaker 1: Out there, so you, the defense attorney, are stuck with it.

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Speaker 1: You can't just erase that that's out there, so you

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Speaker 1: can't now look for another defense. You're stuck with her words.

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Speaker 1: Let's just pretend that that's true that the boy thought, Hey,

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Speaker 1: a year from now, I'm going to try to blackmail

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Speaker 1: her and frame her. So I'm going to send her

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Speaker 1: text from her to me that I can then say,

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Speaker 1: all right, that's a flight of fancy.

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Speaker 3: Eric fattus. What about her memoir?

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Speaker 1: What about the notes on her iPhone where she talks

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Speaker 1: about how angry she is he got a new quote

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Speaker 1: girlfriend and their future. You know, she claims they only

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Speaker 1: had sex aka raped him one time, but this shows.

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Speaker 3: They have been an item for a long time since

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Speaker 3: before her wedding.

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Speaker 14: Nancy, the multiplicity of messages here, if authentic, is surely problematic.

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Speaker 14: You know, the defense is going to say that at

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Speaker 14: this day and age, sixteen year olds are pretty technologically savvy,

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Speaker 14: some of them are more sophisticated than others. And then

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Speaker 14: on the other hand, sometimes they do irrational, erratic, weird things,

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Speaker 14: and perhaps all of that culminated in this alleged act

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Speaker 14: where he tried to text him from her phone to

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Speaker 14: sort of blackmailer. That's what the defense is going to

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Speaker 14: argue when it comes to the memoir. I think the

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Speaker 14: defense is going to say that there's some murmurs about,

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Speaker 14: at least according to Formila, that references to sexual activity

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Speaker 14: in the memoirs actually relate to the husband and not

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Speaker 14: to the time.

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Speaker 9: So what.

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Speaker 1: What did you just say that everything is about the

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Speaker 1: teen boy except accept what she's talking about sex, and

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Speaker 1: then that's about the husband in the same paragraph.

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Speaker 14: That is what the defense has reported. That is what

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Speaker 14: I've read and reports. In terms of what is being

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Speaker 14: referenced in these memoirs, the allegation is that this was

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Speaker 14: kind of an outlet for her anxiety. Is how she

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Speaker 14: put it, I believe, and you know, sometimes people write

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Speaker 14: stuff down and sometimes there's overlap and ideas we get conflated,

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Speaker 14: and perhaps that is the direction her defense will go

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Speaker 14: to try and explain what is in this memoir as

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Speaker 14: it compares to the text messages on the iCloud.

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Speaker 1: Server Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Brian Fitzgibbons joining us

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Speaker 1: Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security at USPA security dot com.

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Speaker 3: Brian, can we believe anything?

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Speaker 1: Christina Formella says, You have the text messages back and

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Speaker 1: forth between her and the child victim, you have her memoir,

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Speaker 1: and then you have her and the ability she possesses

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Speaker 1: to put on an Oscar worthy performance.

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Speaker 3: I want you to watch this, Brian. Can I ask

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Speaker 3: you a quest?

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Speaker 9: Of course?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it sounds like I said, someone investigation obviously for

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Speaker 6: he every reason, so goad and turn it off for me.

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Speaker 7: So right now it's being detained and there is a

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Speaker 7: type of the.

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Speaker 6: Need to talk to you at the police depart so

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Speaker 6: that your husband he can just come to the police

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Speaker 6: armer as well if he wants to wait for you there.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I get it.

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Speaker 6: You had a lot of questions. Yeah, everything's okay, we

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Speaker 6: just need to talk to you at the police storm.

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Speaker 7: That's all.

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Speaker 3: I am, like, so scared.

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Speaker 1: That's nothing that can hold a candle to what this

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Speaker 1: boy's mother felt when she saw those messages saved in

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Speaker 1: the iCloud Brian.

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Speaker 10: Certainly, and you said it well, Nancy, that the defense

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Speaker 10: has already put out this conspiracy theory that the teen

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Speaker 10: boy was texting himself from her phone, and they're going

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Speaker 10: to have to produce evidence that supports that, all right,

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Speaker 10: data from the boy's cell phone data, other data from

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Speaker 10: her phone, from other minor witnesses that would have seen

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Speaker 10: or heard about this conspiracy. So I don't think we

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Speaker 10: can believe much of what she's saying right here.

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Speaker 6: Once you at the police department, you'll talk to detective

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Speaker 6: and the hostlin difference.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, but you can't even me like.

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Speaker 6: And I at the moment that it's an investigation that

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Speaker 6: I can really tell you right now I'm sorry.

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Speaker 7: I wish I could tell you more.

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Speaker 5: Excuse me?

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Speaker 16: Is my husband coming with Yes, Yeah, he's thinking it's

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Speaker 16: going ever down.

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Speaker 5: We're saying time for him. We're just going down or

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Speaker 5: growth the septen minutes away.

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Speaker 9: No, I know, but I really would prefer that my

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Speaker 9: husband's with me.

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Speaker 1: Of course, may want to rethink that about how your

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Speaker 1: husband learns his wife is charged with sex abusing a

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Speaker 1: boys student.

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Speaker 3: Back to evidenciery issues. I want you to hear.

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Speaker 1: One more excerpt from Christina Fromela the Special Ed Teachers Memoirs.

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Speaker 3: She wrote in her own iPhone Listen.

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Speaker 15: I warned you we should have never started dating a long, long,

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Speaker 15: long time ago, and you gas lit me and convinced

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Speaker 15: me it was fine every single time because that's who

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Speaker 15: you are. We will never ever be together again. I'm

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Speaker 15: not a second choice. I'm the best you'll ever have,

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Speaker 15: even with all my mistakes. You once again waited and

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Speaker 15: strung me along until it was convenient for you. It

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Speaker 15: broke me last time. This time it changed me.

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Speaker 3: You know, Annison Noda.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you have encountered other child molesters

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Speaker 1: that believe they have a relationship with the child but

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Speaker 1: that's what this sounds like.

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Speaker 8: I'm having to hold my tongue over here, Nancy. She

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Speaker 8: is working so hard to justify her own actions, which

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Speaker 8: is classic predator behavior dating. She has the audacity to

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Speaker 8: use the word dating. There is no way this is

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Speaker 8: anywhere near dating. This is grooming. This looks like flattery,

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Speaker 8: favoritism forbidden fruits. You entice a young boy with the

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Speaker 8: possibility of sexual contact, that doesn't mean that he was

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Speaker 8: the mastermind behind her plan. I am just shocked, but

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Speaker 8: I do want to pinpoint some exceptionally positive things about

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Speaker 8: this case. The mom in this case needs a gold medal.

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Speaker 8: She checked the self on information, followed up. She then

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Speaker 8: reported it to police, and the police investigated, and it

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Speaker 8: led to an arrest. That is the best case scenario. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 8: that's a rarity in these sorts of cases. But those

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Speaker 8: individuals deserve recognition for acting on that child's best behalf.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is bringing to mind another case, Mary

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Speaker 1: Kay Laturno, who continued.

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Speaker 3: To molest Villi Flau.

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Speaker 1: I believe at that time he was about twelve years old.

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Speaker 3: Years past and when she got out of jail, they

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Speaker 3: actually got married and had a family.

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Speaker 18: Listen for anybody first time figure out what love is

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Speaker 18: for the first time, you know, that's all you know.

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Speaker 18: So for what I know that it was back then,

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Speaker 18: I would say that I was real love.

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Speaker 1: That for our friends at New seven Again, villi Flau

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Speaker 1: was twelve years old when she began raping him. They

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Speaker 1: went on to have a family together. In this case,

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Speaker 1: it sounds as if for Mella believes the two have

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Speaker 1: a future together. Let me go to Scott Iiker, joining

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Speaker 1: as founding member FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team, former police officer,

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Speaker 1: homicide detective as well. I want to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about the defense and we heard Fattest trying to explain

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Speaker 1: it amazingly with a straight face. Scott Iiker, how or

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Speaker 1: can we prove that the boy did not send the

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Speaker 1: messages from her phone to himself to frame her or

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Speaker 1: to use his blackmail at some unknown future date.

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Speaker 3: Is that possible?

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Speaker 7: It is.

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Speaker 13: There's several different ways you can validate this information or

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Speaker 13: disprove what the defendant is saying. We've got the records

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Speaker 13: from the phone company, We've got the extraction information from

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Speaker 13: the phone, We've got the school app that you're talking about.

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Speaker 13: We also can look at in the specific part what

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Speaker 13: you mentioned, which is did he send messages from her phone?

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Speaker 13: We can look at where their two phones were at

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Speaker 13: the time. Was his phone in the same location as hers?

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Speaker 13: That might indicate that he sent those text messages from

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Speaker 13: her phone. But if he's somewhere else, there's no way

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Speaker 13: he could have sent those messages. So it's a lot

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Speaker 13: of different ways. We can look at this and tear

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Speaker 13: that that defensive part, and it's not really easy to

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Speaker 13: break into someone's phone, then go through their app and

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Speaker 13: then copy that and then send it to someone else.

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Speaker 11: Sure you don't want to tissue or something.

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Speaker 5: Sean like the bag out there.

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Speaker 1: We are learning that the special ed teacher turned child

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Speaker 1: molestation defendant is claiming she's too quote good looking for

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Speaker 1: jail and that she has been targeted because she so pretty.

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Speaker 3: Not the first time I've heard that argument.

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Speaker 7: So why do you think you've got all the attention?

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Speaker 7: I don't know, I'll say it. Do you think it's

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Speaker 7: because you're pretty?

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Speaker 3: I think so? In sex seuth.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's our friends at NBC, and you were hearing

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Speaker 1: Deborah Lefay, convicted from a listing a student, claim she

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Speaker 1: was targeted because she is quote so pretty okay Sidney Sumner.

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Speaker 1: Is that claim being made in the current case by

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Speaker 1: Christina Fromela.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is Nancy.

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Speaker 9: So her whole defense to this is again relying on

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Speaker 9: that blackmail idea that this teenage boy broke into her

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Speaker 9: phone sent these text messages to himself to make it

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Speaker 9: look like there was a conversation between the two of them,

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Speaker 9: and she says that that happened because she cared about

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Speaker 9: him too much and she is good looking, so she

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Speaker 9: claims she is a good person who just maybe got

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Speaker 9: a little bit too close to a student, but she

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Speaker 9: did not rape him, and she is only being targeted

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Speaker 9: because she is so pretty Sidney.

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Speaker 1: She is also claiming that the quote sex translation rape

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Speaker 1: only occurred one time, but according to the text messages

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Speaker 1: and her own notes in her note area of her

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Speaker 1: iPhone show that a relationship lasted for a really long

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Speaker 1: time and she wanted it to go on, except the

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Speaker 1: little boy got a girlfriend his own age.

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Speaker 9: So Nancy the defendant for Mella, she is claiming that

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00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 9: they did not have sex in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 9: She is claiming that that text message exchange was not

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Speaker 9: discussing something.

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Speaker 3: That happened, but was blackmail to try and roper.

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Speaker 9: Into having sex with him in the future. The victim

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Speaker 9: told police that the encounter in December of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 9: that rape, is the only encounter between them. So that's

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Speaker 9: what the victim told police. But again, this victim got

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Speaker 9: caught by his mother in an embarrassing situation, so is

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Speaker 9: he telling the full truth? Because if he had any

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Speaker 9: kind of romantic feelings for this woman for his teacher,

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Speaker 9: he likely does not want to see her go down

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Speaker 9: the same way Billy beloved it. So it is one

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Speaker 9: hundred percent possible that this abuse was much more extensive

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Speaker 9: and ongoing than police realize.

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Speaker 3: Is she out on bond?

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Speaker 1: Yes, she is two daughter, Sherry Schwartz joining US forensics psychologists.

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Speaker 1: You know, if this were reversed and the alleged abuse

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Speaker 1: or was a man and the victim was a fifteen

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Speaker 1: year old little girl, he would be under the jail.

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Speaker 16: Why the difference, Well, the difference is because there's a

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Speaker 16: stereotype that because this is a teenage boy, that this

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Speaker 16: is their fantasy. So somehow it's not as c or

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Speaker 16: troubling a crime when it's an older woman with a

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Speaker 16: teenage boy, especially a pretty older woman.

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Speaker 3: But this is false.

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Speaker 16: We know that the harm is the same regardless. This

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Speaker 16: is a minor child. She had an obligation to behave

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Speaker 16: ethically and adhere to boundaries. She never should have crossed

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Speaker 16: a boundary.

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Speaker 1: You know, Lady Justice is blind for a reason. Crossing

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Speaker 1: boundaries yes, unethical yes, But as a former prosecutor of

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Speaker 1: violent felonies, it's not just crossing boundaries. It's not just

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Speaker 1: an ethical This is a crime. Lady Justice does not

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Speaker 1: make a note of whether the victim is a little

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Speaker 1: boy or a little girl, or whether the defendant is

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Speaker 1: a stereotypical child molester stalking a playground and a trench

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Speaker 1: code and a pair of socks, or a pretty young

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Speaker 1: special ed teacher age thirty the defendant the alleged victim fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Let's think about that.

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Speaker 1: We stopped to remember an American hero Detective Clarence of Backcoms,

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Speaker 1: Palm Beach County Sheriffs Detective Backhroms Us Marine Corpvette twenty

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Speaker 1: six years of law enforcement, survived by wife Becky, children

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Speaker 1: Kathy Clarence, Dennis, Cammy and Kelly. American hero Detective Clarence

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Speaker 1: Backcrooms Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,