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Speaker 1: the Bechdel Cast. Hello, Wow, it's me Caitlin Deronto. I

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Speaker 1: was just saying, how I don't have an intro for

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Speaker 1: this is a movie that we just stated off Mike.

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Speaker 1: It truly stumped us. It defeated the show. Every time

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know existed until are returning wonderful guest

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Speaker 1: Princess Weeks brought it to us. Yeah, well, I was like,

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Speaker 1: is the bucktele Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante, my

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Speaker 1: name is Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast where

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Speaker 1: we take your favorite movies and look at it from

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Speaker 1: an intersectional feminist lens. And today, boy do we have

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Speaker 1: a challenge because today we are covering the movie Wild

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Speaker 1: Things from the year Uh is it night? A neo

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Speaker 1: noir thriller film featuring um Are you just reading from Wikipedia?

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Speaker 1: I thank you so much. I use exactly three words

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Speaker 1: from Wikipedia there. Uh, but it's a it's a it's

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Speaker 1: You remember her from our episode on Space Jam It's

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Speaker 1: Princess Week solo. I'm so copy back. So I got

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Speaker 1: to infect you with this like glorious dumpster fire movie.

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Speaker 1: Things will never be the same. It's like Nev Campbell

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Speaker 1: we have to discuss. We simply must. And that there

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Speaker 1: wanted it back. Anyways, we'll get Princess. How did this

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Speaker 1: What's your history? So I was on a horror podcast

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Speaker 1: um with writer Adam Sass and queer intellectual Dana Pioli,

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Speaker 1: Richard's in this movie being an Awakening, And I was

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Speaker 1: Dylon came a little bit. Jamie's like, all right, Harry Goes.

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Speaker 1: It's like they can't, they can't maintain this, but then

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Speaker 1: they do. But then here's my brilliant observation about this movie.

423
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, it has so many twists.

424
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: What is it a Saw movie exactly? And for more

425
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: of that, you can listen to our new Saw episode

426
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Speaker 1: on the Matreon Wow plug Alert game over. And you

427
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Speaker 1: know what, as a patron, I can say, it's worth

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00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: the money. Thank you, says oh my gosh, just lady

429
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: supporting ladies. Wow, solidarity simply what we do. I'm like,

430
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm like Mimi and from Rent in this movie. Although

431
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: although technically she was right, she's like, I don't trust

432
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: this this white girl, and I'm like, oh man, but

433
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: it sucks that she's right. There are a lot of

434
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: ways to like because I was I was thinking about

435
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: that too, where it's like like there's so many ways

436
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: to view that thing where it's like she is right

437
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: to disbelieve this spoiled, rich white girl. But then also

438
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: she's a cop, and you're just like like it, um,

439
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: this one's a brain breaker. But also she is right.

440
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: But she's right, she saw right through the scheme. Okay,

441
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: So Susie is there, Kelly is there, Sam is there.

442
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: They're all working together. They're going to split the money

443
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: three ways. Then they all start kissing each other. They

444
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: have a threesome, but after that night they can't be

445
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: seen together because people will catch on to their scheme.

446
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: We then cut to the detectives. They're feeling silly from

447
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: being duped by Susie and Kelly, and Detective Bacon is

448
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: like starting to piece things together that this might be

449
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: a setup for Sam the teens to get a big

450
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: pay day. Um. So Detective Bacon goes to question Kelly

451
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: and then later Susie and they're both like, um, I

452
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. I just feel like

453
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was just like it's such a

454
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: huge risk for it's specially Susie, where it's like, Okay,

455
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: all you have to do is ruin your life potentially

456
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: and open yourself up to public. The public scrutiny of

457
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: and if everything goes off according to plan, then you'll

458
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: get like a couple of million dollars, which is like,

459
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that fucking rules. But there's so many things

460
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: had to line up for that to happen. Especially first,

461
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: I was just I was just concerned about Susie the

462
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: whole time, because I'm like, she's she is the vulnerable

463
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: one of the three, and she starts freaking out about

464
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: the whole thing. She goes over to Kelly's house. Kelly

465
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: calls Sam. They have a private conversation where they're worried

466
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: that Susie is gonna blow this for them, so Sam

467
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: ominously says, well, if she gets out of line, I'll

468
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 1: handle it right. And then because Susie is upset, she

469
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: and Kelly get into a fight. They're like slapping each other.

470
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: They fall into the pool they're trying to drown each other.

471
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: But then this fight turns sexy and they start having

472
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: a heavy makeout session, which I think is the scene

473
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: that the movie is most famous for. Meanwhile, Detective Bacon

474
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: is nearby spying on them and videotaping them, so for him,

475
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: this is more proof that Sam, Susie, and Kelly are

476
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: including in this scheme together narc No. So one night,

477
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: Susie and Kelly and Sam go to the beach and

478
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: Susie is really drunk and Sam kills Susie and buries

479
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: her body in the glades or does he or does he?

480
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: It reminds we have one of you guys were doing.

481
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: Black Swan is like or is it? Black Swan wishes

482
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: it could reach the narrative Heights of wild Things, so

483
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: not long for this. Detective Bacon finds the spot where

484
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: this murder took place, and he finds some teeth, but

485
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: he's not yet sure if any crime was actually committed

486
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: or like what happened, or if they are Susie's teeth.

487
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: Detective Perez, on the other hand, thinks that Susie probably

488
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: just ran away to l A like she said she

489
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: was going to, and then Perez is tasked with keeping

490
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: an eye on Sam, who invites her into his hotel

491
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: room to show her Kelly's school file, which does seem

492
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: like some kind of hippa or something violation. Yes, not much,

493
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: that's definitely not professional. Yeah, not professional. Also not professional

494
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: as him sleeping with his students. Very gross. I love,

495
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: I know that he works at like a fancy private school,

496
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: but he had I was like, a guidance counselor has

497
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: that house. He's so rich, must be from money or something.

498
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think that that is a

499
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Speaker 1: guidance counselor salary house, especially not in Florida. I feel

500
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: like where they don't pay educators particularly well, right, I'm

501
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: like it should it should be every guidance counselor doing

502
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: their job well should live in a palatial estate. But

503
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: an have a boat and have a boat. Why how

504
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: does he this? This perpetuates the narrative that guidance counselors

505
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: have boat money, which they should, but they don't. They don't, right, Okay,

506
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: So he's showing his students files to Detective Perez and

507
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: then he and Detective Prez almost kiss, but then he's like,

508
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: I gotta go by. Meanwhile, Detective Bacon pays Kelly a visit.

509
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: He claims to protect her because he thinks that Sam

510
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: is going to kill her. Next I think, I'm not

511
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: really sure what the motive was here, but there's a

512
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: struggle that we can't totally see. We hear gunshots and

513
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: then Detective Bacon comes back outside. He's been shot in

514
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: the arm and Kelly has been fatally shot. He gives

515
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: a statement saying that he had to shoot her in

516
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: self defense, but even so, he is fired from the force.

517
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: We then cut to Sam Lombardo on a beach. He's chilling,

518
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: he's got his millions. Uh. He goes into his hotel

519
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: and who is there but Detective Kevin Bacon and his bacon.

520
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: What an artful turn. It's just yes, incredible, the way

521
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: he casually turns we see his penis. I don't know why,

522
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: because they've done everything but full frontal at this point.

523
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I was like, oh my, I

524
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: felt very old because we're still we still like I

525
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: remember the first time I saw it. I was like

526
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: laying on my couch and I was like, is that

527
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon's favors? I was like, I texted so many people.

528
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: I was like, did you know about this? Did you

529
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: know about the pain? It's like it was such a surprise.

530
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: It was just so like you said, casually done. Yeah,

531
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: and then they were supposed to make out. I'm like,

532
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: so we could have had Kevin's bacon and Matt Dallen's

533
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: for like, come on, guys, and and after all we've

534
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 1: been through watching Wild Things, we deserved it. I feel

535
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: like we earned it, as viewers did. Um. But yeah,

536
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: I thought that that was because, like I mean, I

537
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: feel like full frontal scenes are treated so like tight shot,

538
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: like we did it, and this was just so casual,

539
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: like blinking you'd miss it. But also you know, hot

540
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: and thrilling and confusing, because this movie is all three

541
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: of those things. Okay, So Kevin Bacon shows his dick

542
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: in movies. I think all the time. He really I

543
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: didn't know he was known for that. I think Caitlin's dropping.

544
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: What else have you seen Kevin Bacon's penis? I feel

545
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: like we're having I seen Kevin. I'm googling it, but

546
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that. Okay, So he's in a movie

547
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: called Hall Old Man, which I think you see his

548
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: penis in. I'm gonna regret this google search. I know,

549
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like furiously Okay, here's something from cinema

550
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: blend dot com entitled why movies need more penises according

551
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: to Kevin Bacon. Oh my gosh, Kevin Bacon on male

552
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: nuditian movies. Gentlemen, It's time to free the Bacon. Uh wow,

553
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: six degrees of Kevin Bacon takes on a whole new meaning.

554
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: Now wow, that's like pretty fucking cool. He said this

555
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: in somewhat recently, but still we want to be naked too,

556
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: Thanks Kevin. Sure, Kevin. Now, not to bring up the minions,

557
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: but we are talking about Kevin. Where is this going,

558
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: Oh Kevin, Okay, the Kevin connection. Yes, six degrees of

559
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon. Um, Kevin the Minion and Kevin Bacon are

560
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: separated by only by zero degrees because they're both named Kevin. Yeah,

561
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: they're part of the grand tradition of Kevin's in film exactly,

562
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: Kevin Klein, Kevin Bacon, Kevin the Mignion, Kevin the Mignion,

563
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: Kevin le Mignon, Le Mignon, filet Mignon. So he picks

564
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: up the phone because bellow Kevin le Mignon. But all

565
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: that to say, like Kevin Bacon is I didn't realize

566
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: that he was part of a movement to to free

567
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: to Bacon Um by his own description like full support.

568
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: Thank you, Kevin, Um, thank you for your service. And

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00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: this was this was a thrilling moment in a thrilling movie.

570
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely truly yes, so we see his penis. He's in

571
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: the shower. Because another twist, Kevin Bacon and Sam Lombardo

572
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: are partners and the two of them have been colluding

573
00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: this whole time. Tragic. They talk about Kelly's death. Kelly

574
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to die, that was not part of the plan.

575
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: But now the cops are convinced that Kelly is the

576
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: one who killed Susie, so it seems like Sam is

577
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: totally off the hook. Sam then takes Detective Bacon out

578
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: on his new sail boat, and Sam flings him overboard

579
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: because I guess he wants all the money for himself.

580
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to split it with Kevin Bacon. Kevin

581
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: Bacon gets back on the boat. There's a scuffle, and

582
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: then another twist because I guess who's there, Susie. She's

583
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 1: not dead after all, you know, like rich Miami lady wig,

584
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: and she shoots and kills Detective Bacon with a harpoon

585
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: gun and I love a good harpoon gun. It's my

586
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: favorite weapon. It's and then she kills Sam with poison,

587
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: the second coolest weapon. She's like giving him this like

588
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: snarky pop quiz as she's murdering. Oh it's so satisfying. Um.

589
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: And so we learn that Susie is a genius who

590
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: knows how to sail, and that basically she was the

591
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: mastermind behind this whole thing, because during the credits we

592
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: see flashbacks of Susie approaching Sam Lombardo and like blackmailing him.

593
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: She tells him to befriend Kevin Bacon. She's just like

594
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: again orchestrating this whole scheme. You see the tooth removal,

595
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: which that's going to stick with me for a while.

596
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: That's right up there with the raccoon right. Uh. Then

597
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: we see the scene where Detective Bacon actually shoots Kelly twice,

598
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: like not in self defense, he just like makes it

599
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: look like she shot him. And then finally there's a

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00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: scene where Bill Murray gives Susie a case full of

601
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: money and then she kisses him on the cheek and

602
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: it makes it seem like they're also in cahoots or something.

603
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: Not really sure what the intention was there, but that

604
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: is the end of the movie. So let's take a

605
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: break and we will come back to discuss and we're back.

606
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: I just wanted to pull more this did this Kevin Bacon? Uh?

607
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: I just wanted to return to the free the Bacon

608
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: movement for just a Kevinbacon bellow. Kevin Uh. He said, gentlemen,

609
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: it's time to free the bacon. And by bacon, of course,

610
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: I mean your weener, your balls, and your butt. He

611
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: goes on to say that his show, the show he

612
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: was on, was canceled because there wasn't a single shot

613
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: of his penis. He really was going in. This is

614
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: like all done in a jokey way. But I just

615
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: love him. That's good. I love him. Uh. There were

616
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: two things I wanted to bring up because I try

617
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: to bring some good stuff to the to the show

618
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: when you bring me. So. One of the things that

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Speaker 1: I love is the conversation between Um Susie's grandmother and

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00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: a detective, where it's revealed that the reason why she

621
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: wants revenge on Ray the cop, is because he murdered

622
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: a seminal boy that she was friends with. So she's

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Speaker 1: an ally, So we love that about her. And then

624
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: the late Great Roger Ebert gave Wild Things three stars

625
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: and in his review he says, he says this, which

626
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to read it just because it's really hilarious.

627
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: He says, Wild Things is lurid trash with a plot

628
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: so twisted they're still explaining it during the closing titles.

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Speaker 1: It's like a three way collision between softcore sex film,

630
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: a soap opera, and a B grade noir. I liked it.

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Speaker 1: Look when he's right, He's right. He that goes on

632
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: to say the movie solidifies Nev Campbell's position as the

633
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: queen of slick exploitation because this was right after both Screams,

634
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: and gives Matt Dylan and Kevin Bacon lots of chances

635
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: to squint ominously, and has a sex scene with Denise

636
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: Richards that is either gratuitous or indispensable, depending on your

637
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: point of view. He then goes movies such as this

638
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: either entertained or a friend audiences. There's no neutral ground.

639
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: Either you're a connoisseur of melo dramatic, comic vulgarity, or

640
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: you're not. You know who you are. I don't want

641
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: to get any postcards telling me this movie isn't bad taste.

642
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm warning you it isn't bad taste. Bad taste elevated

643
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: to the level of demented sleeves, and I just thought

644
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: eloquence style. Look we've had our disagreements with Roderie Britten's

645
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: it that is, Uh, that is because a solid appraisal

646
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: of the movie. I love that he gave it three stars,

647
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: would not have three out of four to like, that's

648
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: a he's on a different scale. Yeah, he has some

649
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: of the weirdest reviews, Like you never know he's going

650
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: to think of something, And I find that's why, even

651
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: when I strongly disagree with him, I'm like, I just

652
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: want to know what he's thinking exactly. We always bring

653
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: up his reviews for a reason because either we're like, whoa,

654
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm shocked that we were on the same page about that,

655
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: or like, this is the worst thing I've ever heard. Interesting, Well, here,

656
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: he's right. What did he call it a demented sleeves?

657
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: Or yes, he called it demented sleeves. I mean he's

658
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: not wrong. Um, where do we want to start with

659
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: this analysis? Uh, there's a there's a smash Myth song

660
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: in this right. Oh, I just wanted to firm at

661
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: the beginning. There's I think a smash Moth song. Is

662
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: it smash Moth? I couldn't remember. I'll verify, I'll verify that.

663
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: But but there's plenty of other things to talk about. Yeah,

664
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: where where would we like to begin? Does anyone have

665
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: a strong so for me? I remember first watching the

666
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: movie and I was like, great, they're gonna make some

667
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: that these girls lied about rape. I hate this. But

668
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: then when it was all like, oh, they're all in

669
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: this super contrived, ridiculous revenge plot, I was like, well,

670
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: this I can handle. You know. It was like it

671
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: was like a very thing of like and it was

672
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: just purely like these two girls lied about being sexually

673
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: assaulted to destroy this man's life just because they were bitter.

674
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: I was like, that's annoying. I don't like that. Delete,

675
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: but I do support women's wrongs, and I really did

676
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: like how it came together, even while knowing that it

677
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: was very bad and not at all good. Like it's

678
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: because it is like net Like, if you're looking for

679
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: like a good takeaway this movie, I don't think that

680
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: you'll find it. I did find some attempts to be

681
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: like this movie is feminist actually, and it's like, well,

682
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: let's not. Let's not go completely wild, Like I don't

683
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: think that there's a really good argument for that, but

684
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: it's so off the rails that it's it's almost like

685
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: hard to talk about because it's so off the rails

686
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: every single thing it happens. And where I was thinking

687
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: about I was trying to like put it in historical

688
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: context of like, okay, somewhat recent but also completely different time.

689
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: There is this element of this big public trial, of

690
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: which there were a ton in the nineties, most of

691
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: which women were like disbelieved in and mistreated and like

692
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, ganged up on by the media and the public.

693
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: And I was like, maybe the is trying to say

694
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: something about that. It seems like that's definitely like the

695
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: world this takes place, and but then it takes another

696
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: turn and then your five steps removed from that and

697
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: right at its core, like having a movie about two

698
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: young girls lying about rape even though like you could

699
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 1: argue they have been statutory raped by Matt Dylan because

700
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: they are under age, like it, uh, you know, right, right, Okay, So,

701
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: like I tried to kind of map out the story

702
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: and like the twists and the implications of what happens

703
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: with each kind of major story beat, and like what

704
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: you're thinking as an audience member as things progress. So

705
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: first you you think it's you think it's about two

706
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: teenage girls being assaulted by an adult man being assaulted

707
00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: by their guidance counselor, although I don't remember, Okay, I

708
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: think we're supposed to think that Denise Richards is lying

709
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: from the beginning, though, because we see that shot of

710
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: her quote unquote seducing him and like what we're told

711
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: as a calculated way, Yeah, I feel as though the

712
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: movie wants you to be under the impression that she

713
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: is lying about it, because she is like this, like, yeah,

714
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: this s doctress who is now bitter that she was rejected,

715
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: so you see her give her statement. We meanwhile have

716
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: this female cop being like, I think she's I think

717
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: Kelly Van Ryan is lying. We can unpack that further.

718
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: But then it turns out that the teens are lying,

719
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: which perpetuates the myth that survivors of rape are lying

720
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: and making it all up to ruin the lives of men,

721
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: which was also like the public narrative at these big

722
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: show trials of the nineties as well. Exactly. Then it

723
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: turns out that the team girls are in cahoots with

724
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: the man and trying to make money from it, which

725
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: perpetuates the myth that survivors of rape are lying and

726
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: making it all up for financial gain, which is another

727
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: common perception. Also, meanwhile, this adult man is in a

728
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: sexual relationship with both of these teen girls. And while

729
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: the movie repeatedly lets you know that they are eighteen,

730
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: they are the age of consent, but st like you,

731
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: your teachers can't have sex, but their students dynamic, power dynamic, disgusting. Yes, he's, like,

732
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: I think, supposed to be twice their age, like he

733
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: the characters twice the ages the girls there c W.

734
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: Casting is so wild, guys, because you're like, I'm not sure, Okay,

735
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: I didn't catch that they were stated to be eighteen.

736
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: They're stated to be eighteen, got it? But who knows

737
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: when they turned to eighteen? Also, again, the power dynamic

738
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: is extremely disgusting. Then we're led to believe that the

739
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: two girls are murdered by one of the men and

740
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: then the other guy who turns out to be his

741
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: partner in crime, who we learn is a corrupt cop,

742
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: but not the same cop who thought the rape victims

743
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: were lying, So that's confusing. And she is another thing

744
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: that I was like, is Daphne ruben Vega implied as

745
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: having a relationship with Kevin Bacon as well, Like there's

746
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: like some scene between them that seems kind of like

747
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: hinting at somewhere or intimate, but I wasn't sure. And

748
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: then it's like she's the only one that's actually, I

749
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: guess attempting to solve the case, even though her I

750
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: I can't always trace her logic, but I wasn't sure

751
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: if it was also implied. It just like is implied.

752
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: It seems like that every woman in this story is

753
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: in a sexual relationship with either Matt Dylan, Kevin Bacon

754
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: or both. Yeah, It's like one of the most frustrating

755
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: things is because like if you watch like the right

756
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: thillers of like the nineties and eighties always pick like

757
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: the most generic white man, like all of them with

758
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: like Michael Douglas, and I don't understand why these beautiful

759
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: women are trying to ruin, you know, the dick life

760
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: of Michael Douglas. You know, is that who I don't

761
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: believe Glenn Close is going to ruin her entire mental

762
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: health for this person. It doesn't always get I I

763
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: still I'm not all the way through it yet, but

764
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: I know that that's the most recent season of you

765
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: must remember this is like all about eighties erotic thrillers

766
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: and like the politics surround again and the actors surround again.

767
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: But it is all like it's a murderers row of

768
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: like oh that that guy question Mark, Like they're all

769
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 1: just like different variations on the same you know, sharp

770
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: jawed white guy that I think whatever. I mean, Like,

771
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: if you're into it, you're into it personally. In this

772
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, Matt Dylan works for me. You

773
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: shouldn't have told me that about your brother, Caitlin. I

774
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: know someone's gonna be getting some texts. Okay, we shouldn't

775
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: be surprised because you're also hot, Caitlin, so that only

776
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: it only makes sense. You got hot jeans. Thank you

777
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: so much. You're so well and honestly, if someone if

778
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: you were like Matt Dylan's my cousin, I'd be like,

779
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: you know what I see it. It's the powerful face structure.

780
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: I feel sick. Um okay what okay? So then the

781
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: final So the final like twist slash, big reveal is

782
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: that one of these girls isn't actually dead, She was

783
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: not murdered, and she was scheming against the men the

784
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: whole time. The whole thing was her idea and she's

785
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: an evil genius, which you can argue, like, turns out

786
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: she has the most agents I know along canonically, Yeah,

787
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: I think there was an interesting comment from the director

788
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: about that. The director, John McNaughton, he said in so

789
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: twenty years later he says that this was his most

790
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: political film because of how he felt it commented on

791
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: social class. He said, quote, who wins the girl from

792
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: the trailer park. She's all alone on the ninety foot

793
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: sailboat out on the Caribbean. Pretty much everyone else is dead.

794
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: That was the nineties, with the concentration of wealth, but

795
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: the girl from the trailer Park takes them all down.

796
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: You know, I'm from the striving working class. A lot

797
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 1: of the kids I grew up with, the parents didn't

798
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: care if their kids dropped out of school. But some

799
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: of us had parents who insisted their children have an education,

800
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: go to college, escape all that. So that's where my

801
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: heart always lies. Unquote. That's a loaded statement in itself,

802
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: but I thought it was interesting that he was willing

803
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: to like publicly be like for me, this is a

804
00:51:55,080 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: movie about class struggle in Florida, which had it been

805
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: handled differently. I'm not saying it was done well, yeah, yeah,

806
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where like I read that

807
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: quote and I'm like, well, I admire the hootspah, the ambition.

808
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: It is a bit of a mess, and it isn't

809
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: interesting like Marxist reading of the fill of like how

810
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: do you do a thriller like this in which you

811
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: do work to make the women more empowered? Because if

812
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: you think about something like fatal attraction or basic instinct,

813
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: there is this idea that like, at the end, the

814
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: man has to be the one who survives these toxic women.

815
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: And so in that sense, it is a flipping of

816
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: that trope, but it does so by leaning into some

817
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: of the most problematic tropes about what it means to

818
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: be a survivor. And I think I've been kind of

819
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: coming to terms with this for a while because I

820
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: do like erotic thrillers. I do like these kind of stories.

821
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: It is just hard to enjoy them because people actually

822
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: think that women are like this, that's a thing. We

823
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: live in a patriarchy, and like there are people who

824
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: really believe that women are black widows that will like

825
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: do these long cons to like ruin a man's life,

826
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: and so it stops you from being able to enjoy

827
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: a movie in which a girl does a long con

828
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: to ruin to men's life quite frankly deserved it one

829
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: is a murderer and one was a statutory rapist, right,

830
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: Like that's like the perfect Yeah, that like crystallizes something

831
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: I could not have stated as well, where it's like

832
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: it's exciting to engage with this genre as like an

833
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: escapist fantasy of like, oh, wouldn't it be amazing to

834
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: be playing a game of four D chest with a

835
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: bunch of assholes and like win. But yeah, like the

836
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: general sis male perspective, and certainly in like was like

837
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: it's supposed to like create fear within men that like

838
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: all women are out to get something from them and

839
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: if they don't get what they want, they will ruin

840
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: your life and lie. And like it's just like the

841
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: least from that perspective, it's like the least introspective way

842
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: to approach a movie, which sucks because it is super

843
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: like I used to I feel like earlier in this podcast,

844
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 1: like years ago, I would feel kind of like guilty,

845
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: I guess for enjoying movies like this because you're like, oh,

846
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: they do on their you know face appeared like not

847
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: particularly pro woman because women are made out to be liars.

848
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: They're like executing these long cons. They're disbelieved in all

849
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: this stuff. But it's like it just depends on how

850
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: you're engaging with it. There's a million ways to engage

851
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: with everything. And it's just like the dominant interpretation were

852
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: always given is like the is sis mail And so

853
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: if this movie was um just for people who who

854
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: understood it feel so fun. But but even but then

855
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: it's like you've listened to what the director says and

856
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: it's like, well, maybe he doesn't even understand it, so

857
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: question marks all around that. Plus what takes me too

858
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: far out of it to the point of no return

859
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: for this movie is that so much of it relies

860
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: on these false rape allegations, which is such a very

861
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: very harmful and sinister thing to perpetuate, where I'm sure

862
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: like young men boys like watch this movie and they

863
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: were like, oh my gosh, women they will just make

864
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: up stories and they will accuse me of sex crimes

865
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: just so that they can ruin my life and try

866
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: to get money out of me and try to get

867
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: attention and like you know, fame and all the reasons

868
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: that people believe survivors of rape and assault come forward.

869
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: This movie reinforces this idea that, yeah, rape allegations are wrong.

870
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: People made them up up and they did it for

871
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: very selfish reasons. And it's just like, because that's so

872
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: much at the crux of this story, it's just too

873
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: hard for me to be on this movie's side. Absolutely,

874
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: And I think that's I think I think that's just

875
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: as valid as those of us who enjoy the titillation

876
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: of it, because it really is like everyone has their

877
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: own barometer, like every everyone has their own threshold. And

878
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: I think what is frustrating is that it really is

879
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: sort of like you know, we talked about like how

880
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: society informs art and how it informs the audience right back,

881
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's kind of where I'm at

882
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: when I rewatch this movie. It's like there's a part

883
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 1: of me that likes it because again, I like women's crimes,

884
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: and I like and I and I and I find

885
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: it and I find it compelling about this like girl

886
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: who's poor uses the like the sexual taboos of the

887
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: people around her in order to get power. But because

888
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: we live in such a fucked up society in which

889
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: that kind of woman is seen inherently as a liar,

890
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: as a con artist. It stops you from being able

891
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: to just really get absorbed into this story. I mean

892
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: we see that with, you know, with Gone Girl. Like

893
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: there's been so much recent because of certain celebrity cases

894
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: about like everyone bringing up like you see, like this

895
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: is why we can't support these films. And people have

896
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: been saying things about Gillian Flynn that I don't necessarily

897
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: agree with, but it makes it so that even a

898
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: film like that, which is clearly playing with noir tropes

899
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: and these kind of things, is seen as suspect because

900
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: it does perpetuate an idea that this is something that

901
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: women do like. And the critical reading skills and watching

902
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: skills have made it very hard to enjoy everything. So

903
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: thanks for that of ours, Thanks for that knowledge. And

904
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: it's like there's and then there's plenty of people who

905
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: watched Gone Girl and like love the ship out of

906
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: that movie for the same reasons you're describing, because they

907
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: and also because they have some perspective and can take

908
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, three steps out of a movie successfully, and

909
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: and also like we've been like hinting at this throughout

910
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: the whole episode. But as as I was, I hadn't

911
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: seen this movie, but I felt like, this is like

912
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: the most this is like the X Games version of

913
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: this premise. But like I was like, oh, I've seen

914
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: movies with this premise before. Like when I was working

915
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: on Lolita podcast, I was looking at all of the

916
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: nineties movies of like teenage temptresses that are lying and

917
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: ruining a man's life, because that's the way that Lolita

918
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: is framed by the narrator. That's what he you know,

919
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: needs people to believe is happening. A whole other thing,

920
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: but it reminded me Um, this movie, at least up

921
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: until it really goes off the rails, was reminding me

922
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: of this. Alicia Silverstone's first movie is called The Crush.

923
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: It's kind a similar where it's like a young It's

924
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: about a teenager who becomes obsessed with Carrie Elwis of

925
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: Um of sow fame. I believe this is most famous role.

926
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: Heaven chicks off both, but so like The Crush is

927
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: a similar premise where it's like a teenager who finds,

928
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, an older man she's interested in, and then

929
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: when she feels spurned or rejected by him, she lies

930
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: to everybody and is out to ruin him, and he

931
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: is a total victim in the story. She is this conniving,

932
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: evil character and it sucks like from but I don't know,

933
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very like on and off in the genre

934
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: where it depends on the execution and how it's framed.

935
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: Wild Things works for me more because it's so off

936
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: the rails that you're like, I don't know what the

937
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: takeaway from this movie could possibly be, but but I

938
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: totally agree with the Gaitlan where like, this movie doesn't

939
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: work without fundamental disbelief in young women's rape allegations, which is,

940
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, inharcuably a negative. And also I think is

941
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean in light of recent events, like it's not

942
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: like people are particularly more inclined to believe survivors of

943
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: assault now than they were. Um, that scene with Bill

944
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: Murray in the courtroom was rude. It was so god yeah,

945
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: And and the fact that like you know that there

946
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: are people who are just nodding along like yeah, and

947
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:41,479
Speaker 1: then it gets validated by her being a liar, and

948
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: it just it is frustrating because I think if it,

949
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: like anything that has to do with like sort of

950
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: like I especially a friend of mine about sort of

951
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: the concept of like rape fantasies that some women have

952
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: in terms of like sexual and that like there is

953
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: this in a billy you discussed this because that gets

954
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: weaponized against us, you know, the fact that we might

955
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: have those fantasies become a thing of like, well, then

956
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: how do you know this is like that or this

957
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: is like that. It's like it's it's these inabilities to

958
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: separate real people from fiction. It's like it's fiction and

959
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: this is a real person, and it's just like it's

960
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: getting worse because even if I thought about this film

961
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: from like the class perspective of like the reason why

962
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: this you know, Afro Latina detective doesn't believe this very

963
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: privileged white woman is like not just being like women

964
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: are liars, but like that class element to it. But

965
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: even that's not helpful because privileged woman can still be

966
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: vigd in the social assault. And it does matter if

967
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: you perpetuate like the blonde white woman as inherently like

968
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: a third trap, because she is ultimately a victim in

969
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: this film because she was being sangatory raped by her teacher. Yeah,

970
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: and like manipulated. I think this isn't like touched on

971
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: in the movie really, but it's like, for sure the

972
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: Matt Dylan character had to be severely manipulating these girls

973
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: to convince them that this is absolutely going to be

974
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: in their best interest, because they're the ones who, realistically,

975
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: in this situation, would have their reputations and lives destroyed

976
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: by like engaging in this case at all. Like I think,

977
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad it doesn't go there, but like the Nev

978
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: Campbell character, if that actually aired on TV in the nineties,

979
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: like her life would have been ruined, like it's I

980
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: don't know well, And then going back to what you

981
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: were just saying, Princess, where you know it's this this

982
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: woman of color who isn't believing this, you know, very privileged,

983
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: rich white girl. That dynamic isn't something that the movie

984
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: overtly explores. Yeah, exactly right. It's only just there for

985
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: us to interpret, but not anything that the movies actually

986
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: like clearly examining. So it's tricky. But yeah, so yeah,

987
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: So there's that scene in the court where um, where

988
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: Bill Murray is like basically badgering Nev Campbell's character to

989
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: admit that she's lying. Very unpleasant to watch, much like

990
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: a lot of the scenes between the cops and the

991
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: two teens. It gets complicated because it does turn out

992
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: that they are lying but UM. For example, when Kelly

993
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: is giving her statement towards the beginning of the movie,

994
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: Detective Prez says, well did you try to fight back? Um.

995
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: She asks a similar question to Susie, saying like, well

996
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: did you tell him to stop? Basically saying like, why

997
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: didn't you try to stop getting raped? Susie responds with,

998
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: you know, what's the difference, No one's going to believe

999
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: me anyway, which statistically true. And then, like we talked about,

1000
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: there's the moment where Detective Press doesn't believe Kelly's statement

1001
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: because there's no She's like, well, maybe there's no physical

1002
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: evidence because she's making the whole thing up. You have

1003
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: Detective Bacon saying like, well did you flirt with him

1004
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: a little bit? You know, blaming her and suggesting that

1005
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: her behavior makes her at fault. All these things that

1006
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: are pretty authentic to how cops tend to conduct themselves

1007
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: when it comes to sex crimes, UM, and how they

1008
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: tend to handle reports of rape and assault. UM. I

1009
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: don't know if the movie is actively commenting on this

1010
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: or more just sort of like presenting it is like, well,

1011
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: this is just how it's happening in this movie. Can't

1012
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: really tell And I guess I don't know what my

1013
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: point is about this, aside from that's kind of the

1014
01:04:55,480 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: one part of the movie that does track the cops

1015
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: like conductor around these but it's rendered moot. I feel

1016
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: like when it turns out that the girls are lying

1017
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: about these allegations, and that's the core problem. Yeah, so's

1018
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: it's it's like really difficult to talk about this movie.

1019
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: They've created this like whatever like shell game that it's like, well,

1020
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: in the logic of the story, it's true that they're lying.

1021
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: It's just like the fact that that's what they defaulted

1022
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: to is very telling. And those I I would say,

1023
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: I mean, based on what I learned from a scholarly

1024
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: journal Wikipedia about the writing of this movie, I would

1025
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: say that probably a lot of this was not intended.

1026
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: It sounded like, uh, the guys went to Florida and

1027
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: uh wrote a little ditty. Um, yeah, there there's the

1028
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: credited screenwriter is a classic two first names Steven Peters

1029
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: love that. I prefer the work of Peter Stevens, but

1030
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: that's just mewise, there's two kinds of people, but like

1031
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: it went through a lot of rewrites. I guess um.

1032
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: A writer named kem Nunn was given a rewrite thing,

1033
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: and so they were sent to Florida and uh producer

1034
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: named Peter Goobers Peter Goober Oh my gosh, said that

1035
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: when I read the script, I thought, as crazy as

1036
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: it is, I do believe it could happen in the

1037
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: world we live in. Once I believe that a story

1038
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: can happen in the real world, then I know how

1039
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,959
Speaker 1: to direct it. And you're just like, um, I don't

1040
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: think that they were thinking that hard or trying to

1041
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: say that much. If they read this script overre like,

1042
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: this is plausible, this could happen. Um. And the director

1043
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: also said, uh, I really liked the script, but it

1044
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: was also me asking myself, what sells sex and violence?

1045
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: You want sex and violence, Well, here you go. How

1046
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: much can you take it? They weren't thinking that hard.

1047
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: They did put okay, let's take a quick break and

1048
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: then come back and talk about sex and we're back.

1049
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: I feel like this is very important to bring up,

1050
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: so I apologize. So Steven Peters was fifty one years

1051
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: old when he wrote the script for a while. Things. Okay,

1052
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: so he's writing teen Girls as year old man. Oh

1053
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: my god. I was like, I saw I was like

1054
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: born nineteen seven, and I was like, I loved it.

1055
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: Whenever you find stuff like that out, are you just

1056
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: like I can't help but picture him at his house

1057
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: being like, all right, like time for dinner, Like, oh god,

1058
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: He's like. You know what teen girl else do is

1059
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: they plot schemes to ruin the lives of men. They

1060
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: punch each other and knock each other into swimming pools

1061
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: and then start kissing and they kiss they do kids,

1062
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: which okay, uh, let's talk about Peters. How could you

1063
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: so Peter Stevens would have done it better? Peter Stevens

1064
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: would never like So this scene in particular, which I

1065
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 1: thought went on for way longer than it did, I

1066
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: was like, miss remember maybe I was just you know,

1067
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,719
Speaker 1: wishful thinking, not sure, but oh my god. Sorry, there's

1068
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: like if you type in Peter stevens our joke name

1069
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:45,759
Speaker 1: into Wikipedia, three men come up. Of course, of course,

1070
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: one's a car designer, one's an r A F officer.

1071
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: What is that sounds scary? Alright? Sorry? Continue. I was

1072
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: just like Wow, Peter Stevens Cannon is real, real person.

1073
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: So the scene in the pool where Nev Campbell's character

1074
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: and Denise Richard's character they're mad at each other, they're

1075
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: physically fighting, they're trying to drown each other. Things take

1076
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: a turn at some point and then they are kissing

1077
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: and it's it's quite steamy, although it cuts away pretty quickly.

1078
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if there's like an extended scene, like

1079
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 1: an extended version like on the DVD extras or something

1080
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: that I have watched, But I know there's an extended

1081
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: version of the movie. I don't know if they've seen

1082
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: in particular extent. This scene is not long. I have

1083
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: seen these thinned version and it is not longer. It

1084
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: is not longer. Okay, So I'm just filling in the

1085
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: gaps in my own brain. Good to know about me

1086
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: and my psyche. But the point is that I think

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01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people have cited this movie and that

1088
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: scene in particular as a sexual like a queer awakening

1089
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: for them. There's also a discussion to be had about

1090
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: queer baiting. There's a lot to unpack here. Also, keeping

1091
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: in mind that detect to Bacon is filming this scene

1092
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: on a camcorder, which will also um kind of transition

1093
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: to do another conversation about the male gaze in this movie.

1094
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: But the pool scene, thoughts, it really is the power

1095
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: of these two women just being very incredibly good looking,

1096
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: because like, because it's tacky, it's you know, supremely male

1097
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: gazey in every single sense of the word. Am I

1098
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: going to pretend that it wasn't nice to see Nev

1099
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: Campbell and in these Richard's kiss No, I'm not gonna

1100
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: lie on the beddel cast I will not. I will

1101
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: not be held in contempt of cast court. You will

1102
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: not perjure yourself. I will not perjure. It reminds me

1103
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: of like seeing Selma Blair and Sarah Michelle Geller kiss.

1104
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: That's like, was it a moment for me? Yes, that's

1105
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: the feminist in my brain and meant that this is

1106
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: not this was not made with me in mind. If

1107
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: they had had Kevin Bacon and met Dylan kiss, then

1108
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: we can have a different conversation. That would have been

1109
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: Denise's boobies kissing Nev Campbell and then the Bacon and

1110
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: then the kissing of the two men, and then we

1111
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: could have at least had some equal opportunity voyeurism, but

1112
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: we didn't. I agree. I this wasn't because I didn't

1113
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: know this movie existed until this week. This was not

1114
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: an awakening movie for me. But I feel like it's

1115
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: very easy to see like there are other analogs to

1116
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: this scene in nineties movies that do technically qualify as

1117
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: queer baiting. But also that doesn't invalidate the raw power

1118
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: that a scene like this can have. They also could

1119
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: be queer characters. I don't know that the filmmaker's intention

1120
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: was there, But do we really think that Stephen Peters

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01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: or Peter Stevens or whatever the fun his name is,

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01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: has any nuance on this topic. I would guess definitely,

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01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: but maybe he would surprise us. I don't mean he

1124
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: might also, so the characters. Those two characters kiss I

1125
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: think three different times throughout the movie. First in the

1126
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: scene where Susie, Kelly, and Sam have a threesome, where

1127
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: like he's kissing one of them, he's kissed the he

1128
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: kisses the other one, and then he says, now you too,

1129
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: kiss and they seem to willingly and consensually kiss each other.

1130
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: And it's very hot, admittedly, and it seems like, am

1131
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: I am? I out of line? Baits saying it doesn't

1132
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: seem like it's like it seems like it's happened before,

1133
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 1: like could be that was my maybe that again I'm projecting.

1134
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, wait, these ladies know what they're doing. Well,

1135
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: what I can say, I'll let you finish and I'll

1136
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: I'll come in with my facts that I wrote for

1137
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: this thing. Sure. So then they kiss again in the

1138
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: pool scene, and then they kiss the third time. I

1139
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 1: think they're in Kelly's mom's range rover. It's when they

1140
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 1: like go to the beach, and shortly shortly after that

1141
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: is when Susie is we think murdered by Sam. Turns

1142
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: out she wasn't. But they just share like we're just

1143
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: gonna we need to get wasted and have fun tonight,

1144
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: and then they kiss each other. So we don't really

1145
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: know because the movie doesn't explore their relationship beyond that,

1146
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: but it does happen three times that they kiss on screen.

1147
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: If that kind of contextualizes anything further, But Princess, you

1148
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: had you have a thought, so I wanted to say so.

1149
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: Nev Campbell said that she enjoyed kissing Denise in a

1150
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: interview when she talked about the Rolling Stone and they

1151
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: said that they kind of like got like, you know,

1152
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,759
Speaker 1: had some margarities, and but then that they're both adult

1153
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: women does make me feel a lot more comfortable. Yes,

1154
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: and seven has a lot more autonomy than like a

1155
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: twenty one. Those few years do matter to me. And

1156
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: then she said that she wrote in her journal about

1157
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: the experience and she wrote, Okay, I'm going to make

1158
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: out with a girl for the first time in my life.

1159
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 1: It's so interesting that a lot of times you learn

1160
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: things about yourself and have new experiences when shooting a

1161
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: scene because there are things you would normally do in

1162
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: your life. It's so interesting, isn't that she's so cute?

1163
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: And Denise was just kind of like, at one point,

1164
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: I was thinking, it's four o'clock in the morning, I'm

1165
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: half naked in a swimming pool, I'm making out with

1166
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: Nev Campbell. What am I doing here? God bless? And

1167
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: one thing I will say, because I know there's been

1168
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: to talk about about consent. One thing that the director

1169
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: did say is that he puts all the sex scenes

1170
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: in the script, so whenever he hires actors, he makes

1171
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: sure that they know that that's in the script, that

1172
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: they don't have to feel tricked or manipulated into that

1173
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: once they're in a comforting zone, he'll maybe see how

1174
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: much more comfort they have was certain things. But he

1175
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: does put it all in there, and I feel that

1176
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 1: is a good thing as well. Yeah, I agree. It's

1177
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: it's like, I shame on me for being shocked whenever

1178
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: a director male director does the bare minimum for their cast.

1179
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: But like that, I was also kind of, I guess,

1180
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: like heartened to read about the fact that, yeah, like

1181
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: they knew about the nudity and it was like built

1182
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:31,480
Speaker 1: into their contracts. Where like Denise Richards did an extensive

1183
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 1: negotiation on how much nudity would be allowed, she had

1184
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 1: the option to use a body double, she opted not to.

1185
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: You know, I'm assuming when she was like, shout out

1186
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: to the body double episode we did recently another erotic' um,

1187
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: but she said that she she filmed the scene with

1188
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 1: herself without a body double, after drinking a picture of

1189
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: Margarita's with Nev Campbell. Again incredible. M reminds me of

1190
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: the oh, what's the What's Ski Sisters thriller? We just

1191
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: covered bound. Yes, they also mentioned bonding and getting a

1192
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: little tipsy before hooking up on screen. For that movie,

1193
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: Campbell's contract had a strict no nudity clause, and Kevin

1194
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: Bacon also had a new no nudity clause that he

1195
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,759
Speaker 1: then later because he was also a producer on the movie,

1196
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: even though he was quoted as saying, this is the

1197
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: trashiest thing I've ever read, but he's also a producer. Um,

1198
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: so he had a no nudity clause. But then he

1199
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: uh and quoting Wikipedia but without giving it much thought,

1200
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,719
Speaker 1: allowed McNaughton to use the shot that he thought looked

1201
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: best in a moment of frontal nudity was included in

1202
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: the film. So you mean everyone had the option to

1203
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 1: be naked or not. So you mean, Kevin, let me

1204
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: show you my bacon. Bacon was originally like, no bacon

1205
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: in this one. Originally he was like, I want to

1206
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 1: be serious. But then he's like, actually, yes Bacon. Yeah,

1207
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: He's like, this movie will only be successful if I

1208
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: showed my bacon. And you know what, now, three sequel later,

1209
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: it was wrong not him. Yeah, how would the world

1210
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: be different? And and a big question in the ripple

1211
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: of how would the world be different is what if

1212
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: the I don't think it was filmed. The Duquette and

1213
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: Lombardo sex scene near the end of the film. I

1214
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: would imagine, and again, maybe this is my imagination getting

1215
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: away from me. I'm imagining Matt Dylan gets in the

1216
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,719
Speaker 1: shower with Kevin Bacon in the scene with the Bacon

1217
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,919
Speaker 1: I don't know. It says that the original screenplay featured

1218
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: a scene between Duquette and Lombardo near the end of

1219
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 1: the film where the men kiss in the shower. Oh

1220
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: that's why I think that. Okay, they kiss in the shower,

1221
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:41,440
Speaker 1: revealing that the two had a relationship that allowed Lombardo

1222
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: to prey on Duquette in order to manipulate him and

1223
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: con him out of the money. This is a twist

1224
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: that is very in keeping with this movie. The reason

1225
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 1: it didn't happen, according to Kevin Bacon, the scene was

1226
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: modified to the Bacon scene. We have to eliminate any

1227
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,600
Speaker 1: suggestion of a sex relationship between the men, as the

1228
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: film's financiers quote didn't like the idea of men making out.

1229
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: They felt it went too far unquote, which I fucking

1230
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:16,719
Speaker 1: didn't feel like women making out went too far, Which

1231
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: goes back to sort of the male gaze kind of

1232
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: exploitation of women's bodies that we'll talk about. Um. Yeah,

1233
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to say about the relationship

1234
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: or I guess sexual connection between Susie and Kelly. There's

1235
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: that scene where we learned what's in Kelly's file slash.

1236
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 1: We learned what Sam wrote in Kelly's file that he

1237
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: then gives to Detective Perez, and he says in it

1238
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: that Kelly is sexually confused, which implies that bisexual people

1239
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 1: or like like people who are questioning their sexuality are

1240
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 1: quote unquote sexually confused. A deeply stance to take another

1241
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: thing that's like presented I think very matter of factly

1242
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 1: and not as a way of commenting on anything. I

1243
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: think that that's just the writer being like And of

1244
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: course everyone feels this way because in the same sentence,

1245
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 1: Kelly is said to have threatened the life of two people,

1246
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 1: as if she is threatening people's lives because she is

1247
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: quote unquote sexually confused. Like her sexual confusion is leading

1248
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: to like violent tendencies kind of thing, which brings us

1249
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: back to the basic instinct. But I don't know if

1250
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: that's what the movie believes, or if that's just what

1251
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: sim Lombardo thinks, and we already know that he's a

1252
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: sleazy character who manipulates people. I couldn't really tell, and

1253
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: that confuses things. If well, I guess not to tip

1254
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 1: my hat or give Steven Peters the benefit of the doubt.

1255
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,600
Speaker 1: But if that character was originally written as also being bisexual,

1256
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: then that's a totally different read on that scene. Totally confusing,

1257
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: so confusing. I just had the thought, like, I just

1258
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: was like, what if I want someone to cut the

1259
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 1: trailer for this movie with like the Jennifer's Body audio,

1260
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: because imagine if it was like Didnise Richards and and

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01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: Nev Campbell in like Jennifer's Body. Now I'm just having chills.

1262
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: Go now, I just have to live. It's gonna have

1263
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 1: to live in my brain now. And it's the thing is,

1264
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 1: it's not too late either. It's not too late. It

1265
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: can be done. Can we talk about the male gaze cinematography? Absolutely? Sure? Okay,

1266
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,759
Speaker 1: so we get a lot of it. Jeffrey L. Kimball.

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01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: Just so you know, this is also at photography staging

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01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: these shots known previously. Oh this is interesting. He was,

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01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 1: this is really interesting. He was also the cinematographer for

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01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,520
Speaker 1: the Legend of Billy Jean that was his first movie. Okay,

1271
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: does not compute, does not line up all right? Well, anyways,

1272
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: so we get I think the first extreme example is

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01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: a gratuitous scene of two girls washing a car. There

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01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: are so many lingering shots of like their butts, their

1275
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: pelvis is like, we see their like wet t shirts.

1276
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: And this scene does not need to be in the movie.

1277
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: We do not need girls washing a car. Take it

1278
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 1: out of the movie. The movie is tighter and more seamless.

1279
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 1: But I also I don't but I also understand awakening

1280
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: appeal of a scene like that, but it's also like, well,

1281
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: but that scene is clearly intended for six men. So

1282
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: I'm going through Jeffrey Kimble's filmography and I'm curious er

1283
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: and curious er. He starts with a Legend of Billy Jean.

1284
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: He also is a cinematographer on Top Gun. He also

1285
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: did an Adrian Line movie, so he also did true

1286
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: romance Like this guy films Bodies, Bodies, Bodies, Bodies. Need

1287
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: to see that one wasn't him. Yeah, I haven't seen

1288
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 1: it yet, I have seen Bodies, Bodies, Bodies. I think

1289
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 1: he's retired. He also did Old Dog, which I don't

1290
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: have a comment on. I just think it's fun. Um.

1291
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 1: But anyways, yeah, this this guy loves a greased up,

1292
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:38,799
Speaker 1: wet body to film. Sure, just that's threesome scene. There's

1293
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: a lot of like heavy focus on you know, the

1294
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 1: Denisius boobs her butt and the way that, like Matt

1295
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 1: Dylan's body is not focused on or objectified. We get

1296
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,600
Speaker 1: a scene where Denise Richards is getting out of a

1297
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: pool all sexy for no reason. The camera slowly pans

1298
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: up her body. She's talling off. You can see her

1299
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:07,480
Speaker 1: nipples through her swimsuit. Detective Bacon is like, nice stroke. Anyway,

1300
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: did you plan this whole scheme to get a bunch

1301
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,759
Speaker 1: of money out of your mom? And she's like what anyway,

1302
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: no reason this scene needs to take place at a

1303
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: pool or like right after she's gotten out of a pool.

1304
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: Just a lot of choices were made, and I get it,

1305
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: like this is these are staples of the erotic thriller.

1306
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: But why is a trope of the erotic thriller to

1307
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: exploit and objectify women's bodies constantly? That's a question I

1308
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: would ask. It was like I felt so However, when

1309
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: I was rewatching that scene, I just like, damn, I

1310
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: hate that I am attracted to Like, damn it, my

1311
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 1: queerness portrays me again part of the problem. I felt

1312
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: like that I means I was like, am I am?

1313
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,759
Speaker 1: I part of the problem because I obviously I would

1314
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: not have shot if I was a cinematographer, I would

1315
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: not shoot it in that way because it's just it's

1316
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: very over the top and es much because it isn't

1317
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 1: as equally like, you know, we have to see dick

1318
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: lines then, you know what I'm saying. It's like we

1319
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 1: had all the time. Yeah, we only see that one

1320
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: tiny little glimpse of coming Bacon's bacon, and that wasn't enough.

1321
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: And it wasn't even supposed to be there. It wasn't

1322
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: even intentional. I think it's also just like I remember

1323
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 1: watching the movie, I'm like, these starts are so vieuristic

1324
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: and these women look so good. It was like it

1325
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: was like, like, I know, it looked so cool, Like

1326
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 1: her styling was really cool. I loved her her like

1327
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: goth like outfits. Like I'm just like, man that the

1328
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:36,600
Speaker 1: costumers really dressed these ladies up very nicely. Miss his

1329
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: hot topic herself. I really liked her costume. It there's

1330
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: a number of different ways to approach the cinematography where

1331
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: I think, like, on its face, it is like clearly

1332
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: exploitative of women, especially like very obvious what they're trying

1333
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: to do, very obvious, the like whatever that there's a

1334
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: good fifteen years leading up to this movie where doing

1335
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: that is a very proven money making box office move.

1336
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: This this movie, I think kind of baffingly makes its

1337
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: money back three times. But then it's, uh, I don't know,

1338
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: and then and then I'm like, I'm a little bit

1339
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: of a part of the problem in this case also,

1340
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 1: so it's confusing. Yeah, it's uh, it's kind of rude

1341
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: sometimes how are like sexual brains and our analyst brains.

1342
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: It's almost like they're sort of like having a fight

1343
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: in a pool and they're like kind of punching each other,

1344
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: but then they start kissing, and I'm just like, what's

1345
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: going on here? What do I think? And yeah, I

1346
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: mean the threesome scene. I feel like also was kind

1347
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 1: of telling like you like you're saying of like how

1348
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: it's very very preoccupied with Denise Richard's body specifically, it's

1349
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: not that occupied with Matt Dylan's body, And it's also

1350
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: very preoccupied with close ups on Nev Campbell's jealous face,

1351
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: as if to say, like I wish I was saying

1352
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: Matt Dylan, and you're like, of the two, are you serious?

1353
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: But like, but it's clear that it's like, oh, this

1354
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 1: is like for him. And again it's like if he

1355
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: if his character was canonically bisexual like he was supposed

1356
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: to be, it just becomes a more I think, like

1357
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: interesting conversation. And if men's bodies had been you know,

1358
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 1: if this movie have been preoccupied with the men's bodies

1359
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 1: as well, that shifts the conversation a little bit, but

1360
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: it doesn't. And I think it's really interesting that, like

1361
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon said explicitly, like our financiers were not interested

1362
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: in filming a scene between two men because you know

1363
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: that doesn't equal money in the way that queer betting

1364
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 1: between two women equals money, right. I also have a

1365
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: theory that and let's get into some screenwriting. Not that

1366
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: I know anything about it, not that I have a

1367
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: master's degree in it from Boston University, which I would

1368
01:26:55,040 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 1: never mention, but my theory is that because when you're

1369
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 1: writing a movie, you're always looking for ways to sort

1370
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 1: of just like heighten the situation, especially in like an

1371
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: erotic thriller. You're thinking, Okay, how can I make this,

1372
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 1: How can I push boundaries? How can I really make

1373
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:17,679
Speaker 1: this tantalizing and push social morays and stuff like that,

1374
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 1: And I feel like including the sexual connection between these

1375
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,759
Speaker 1: two teen girls was a way to be like, yeah,

1376
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: I can just sort of use that, use queerness as

1377
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: a way to really push boundaries and heighten this, heighten

1378
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: the situation of this of this movie that's supposed to

1379
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 1: be like sexy and violent and kind of sick because

1380
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 1: it's about you know, rape and salt and violence. So

1381
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: it loops in queerness as like a quote unquote social taboo,

1382
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: like it just yeah, it's just like in basic instinct

1383
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: when it's like Catherine, you know, she's bisexual but like dangerous,

1384
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 1: you know, it's like right, and I'm just sitting here

1385
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 1: like yes, and you know it can't just be yes.

1386
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: It has to be yes. And she is dangerous because

1387
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 1: she is bisexual and a sociopath, Like, please please include

1388
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 1: both otherwise it is very upsetting. One is biphobic, both

1389
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: is a character and yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the late

1390
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: nineties I mean it's like we were we were there,

1391
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: but what was happening there? I don't know. And it's

1392
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 1: and to your point, killing it's like by including a

1393
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 1: very queer baity plotline and just the general cinematography of

1394
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 1: like lingering on these women's bodies so much, it's like

1395
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 1: it almost is like it's like perceived as being risky

1396
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: when in reality, there were fifteen years of movies before

1397
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: this that proved that this was not risky, this was

1398
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: a sure thing for them. Well they so they still

1399
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: get to have the like aesthetics of being cutting edge

1400
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 1: and risky while actually playing it extremely safe. Well, what

1401
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 1: actually been risky and different is if they filmed the

1402
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 1: scene between Matt Dylan and Kevin Bacon. That would have

1403
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: been different. But these filmmakers didn't have the guts. They

1404
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: didn't have the if they had taken a screenwriting class

1405
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 1: with let's say, a young talented woman that wasn't born

1406
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 1: two years after World War Two ended, maybe that would

1407
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: have made a difference. Who knows, Killen. I've always said

1408
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: that you're the Stephen Peters of modern screenwriting. As a compliment, well,

1409
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 1: I preferred to be thought of as the Peter Stephens.

1410
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 1: So fair enough, your car designer. What else is there

1411
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:49,440
Speaker 1: to discuss? Anyone have anything else? Just that like watching

1412
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 1: this movie for the second time. This movie is sex crimes.

1413
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:58,879
Speaker 1: It is especially heinous. But to quote in another review

1414
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 1: of it, he said it was from the Washington Post.

1415
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 1: The person said, the film is clearly a croc. It

1416
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 1: may not have a single redeeming feature, but it doesn't

1417
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: have a dull moment either. And I'm just like, goddamn right,

1418
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: It's like that is And that's a former speechwriter for

1419
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: the Obama administration saying that it is so it is

1420
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 1: so bizarre. It is. It is legitimately not a good movie.

1421
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 1: But every time I watched it and just kind of

1422
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: like fascinating, you know, I just want to smoke a brandy.

1423
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 1: Drink of brandy is what the cigarette? Just be like fascinating.

1424
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot like what if this is what

1425
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 1: the aliens find? Oh my god, And what will they

1426
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 1: think of us? Will they think we are awesome? Or

1427
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: like I just think I just think that, Like Denise

1428
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 1: Richards was like Starship Troopers this and then Bond. You know,

1429
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 1: it's like what a what a what a triple threat?

1430
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: Just like what a trajectory and you can't say she

1431
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: doesn't have the range. She's got there, she's got the

1432
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a reason I think that this movie

1433
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 1: has sort of I don't know how much of like

1434
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:09,719
Speaker 1: a cult following it has. But people still't know about

1435
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: this movie. People still talk about it still gets referenced,

1436
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 1: like it's been requested numerous times on the show. You know,

1437
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: it's got a legacy, uh for I think mostly being

1438
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: sexy trash. I mean, what's wrong with a little sexy

1439
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:30,639
Speaker 1: trash here in there this movie? Yes, is there any thing?

1440
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I think like it's We've mentioned this several

1441
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 1: times at this point, but um, this movie is extremely white.

1442
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 1: Um in a state where it doesn't make sense to

1443
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 1: be extremely like Florida is an extremely diverse state. There's

1444
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 1: no reason for this to be in all white cast

1445
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 1: except for Daphne Rubin Vega, I think, or actually there

1446
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: are a few the principle at the school. It's it's all,

1447
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: it's all kind of like the very light typical because

1448
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 1: even you know, the seminal character is dead and we

1449
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: never see them and they're the whole reason for this

1450
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 1: entire plot, and you don't see another indigenous person there

1451
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:08,839
Speaker 1: at all, which is very disappointing. It's almost like Steven

1452
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 1: Peters didn't educate himself on jack Ship before writing this,

1453
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Like it's in a very of the air away. It's

1454
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: a it's a very white, white, white movie, and that

1455
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: is one of the many facets of this movie that

1456
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: does not hold up. Um. I was happy to see

1457
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: Daphne ruben Vega. I just like her as a thirteen

1458
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 1: year old former recovering um fan of rent. But do

1459
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: I wish she was given more slash, more interesting things

1460
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: to do? Yes? Do I wish she was not cast

1461
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 1: as a cop? Definitely? Absolutely? Yeah? Why is she being like,

1462
01:32:52,040 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 1: don't believe women they're do? I wish that weren't her platform? Yeah?

1463
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 1: As there there any other things. I mean, we didn't

1464
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 1: really get to the mom uh, horny mom, horny mom.

1465
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: I mean there's really not that. Like again, I just

1466
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 1: don't think the movie is thinking about her very hard.

1467
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: But just because we we just so happened to record

1468
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: an episode about Tangled yesterday and talking about like a

1469
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 1: narcissistic mother with a daughter, I think it is like

1470
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: worth mentioning that it does give Kelly's character more dimension

1471
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 1: than I was expecting to give her a difficult relationship

1472
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 1: with her mom, who even when even though she believes

1473
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 1: her daughter's rape allegation, which again this is all blown

1474
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: up by the fact that it's not real, but her

1475
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 1: mother does believe her immediately but for very selfish reasons

1476
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:48,919
Speaker 1: and makes her daughter's alleged assault all about her, which

1477
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 1: is I don't know what I mean, it just feels

1478
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: worth pointing out. And also the fact that Matt Dylan

1479
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 1: has had sex with a mother and a daughter that

1480
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 1: are both grieving. There's you know, spouse slash father who

1481
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 1: died by suicide the year before. It's just like the

1482
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 1: fact that we didn't get around to talk to you

1483
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 1: about that really speaks to how much is going on

1484
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: in this movie. I mean, well, I think that's nothing

1485
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 1: to say about grief, but I do think it's like,

1486
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's another thing they threw in there. My

1487
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,720
Speaker 1: thought about that is so for a while, we are

1488
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: led to believe that this whole scheme was Kelly's idea,

1489
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:33,600
Speaker 1: and that she is deliberately screwing over her mom to

1490
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 1: get money from her, like the trust that she feels

1491
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 1: that she deserves earlier, because right now it's like, I'm

1492
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 1: not going to get the trust until my mother dies.

1493
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: So we think for quite some time that Kelly has

1494
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: such a vendetta against her mom that she's doing this

1495
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 1: whole plot to steal from her mother, who I guess

1496
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 1: she hates. But I felt that their relationship was not

1497
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: contextualized or flored enough to understand what was going on

1498
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 1: there at all. Do they treat each other particularly well?

1499
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 1: I would say no, they don't seem like they have

1500
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 1: the best relationship, but there's just we don't know enough

1501
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,680
Speaker 1: about it that I'm like, wait, what, why are she

1502
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 1: doing those now? And what? Because I also feel like

1503
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 1: with the mom, like there's a very shorthand of like

1504
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 1: woman having sex equals evil equals villain, and I feel

1505
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:28,600
Speaker 1: like that shorthand is used with her character like or

1506
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: like she's somehow callous or unfeeling by wanting to enjoy

1507
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:36,839
Speaker 1: casual sex, especially as like an older woman. Yeah, yeah,

1508
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:40,600
Speaker 1: like they really, you know, shrewd ify her in a

1509
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,560
Speaker 1: way that Yeah, I agree that there's not enough context.

1510
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: So it's like in one way, you're like, Okay, Kelly's

1511
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 1: character is very traumatized by like because there is that

1512
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,440
Speaker 1: one scene with them that doesn't give you enough information,

1513
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: but it like I thought it was going to come

1514
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 1: back and it just didn't. Where Kelly's mom has different

1515
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: culty like touching her own daughter, like she can't touch her,

1516
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: and it's like trying to have a conversation with her

1517
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 1: about the dad, but like they can't quite communicate. And

1518
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 1: that is a really interesting setup if you intend to

1519
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 1: return to that extremely heavy plot point again, which they don't,

1520
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 1: and it ends up making Kelly's mom look extremely callous

1521
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 1: and manipulative and self involved. Then it just kind of

1522
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: drops it. So it's kind of like, I don't know,

1523
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't even reach a conclusion of any sort about

1524
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 1: it because you're like, it just goes away. It was

1525
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 1: an interesting setup, but I guess I don't really have

1526
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 1: much faith in how Mr Steven Peters would have would

1527
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 1: have landed on it either. So yeah, that was my

1528
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 1: last thing. Pretty baller move though, for Sandra van Ryan

1529
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 1: to tell sam One that he was really good at sex,

1530
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 1: but that's all he's good for, and to say that

1531
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 1: in front of the other guy that she is currently

1532
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: fucking look pretty cool. Can't wait to try that out someday.

1533
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 1: Got I mean picking up the phone while you're coming

1534
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 1: is also like a pretty pretty incredible thing to do. Like,

1535
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: she's classically trained. I love going to like, yeah, you

1536
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 1: go to Teresa Russell's Wikipedia page. Lee Strasberg the same

1537
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:26,639
Speaker 1: deal with Jigsaw. Jigsaw went like graduated from Yale drama school.

1538
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,240
Speaker 1: And you're like, and it makes sense, but you have

1539
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 1: done that without the training. We don't know. I love you, guys.

1540
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,640
Speaker 1: We're so happy you came back. Like do we do

1541
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 1: we miss I mean, I'm sure we missed something. I

1542
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 1: feel like I missed everything. But there's there's just too

1543
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 1: much happening in this movie. We we simply can't touch

1544
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 1: on it at all. My last question is, what does

1545
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 1: Teresa Russell's say? Did she say I missed it the

1546
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: first time I was an anapylactic shock. The second time

1547
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 1: I missed it? She said something on the phone to

1548
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 1: Matt Dylan, something akin to not every man knows how

1549
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 1: to drive my boat or like that. Oh, she says,

1550
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:08,679
Speaker 1: I haven't found a man who can drive my boat

1551
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:14,799
Speaker 1: better than you, or something like that boat as pussy metaphor. Yeah, yeah,

1552
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 1: it's interesting. And the guy she was fucking knew it

1553
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 1: because he was like, really, girl, I didn't even leave

1554
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 1: the room, and she was like, I don't. This isn't

1555
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 1: about you. That's what I'm saying. She is an icon,

1556
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 1: perhaps maybe Mother of the Year. She is not. But

1557
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:35,879
Speaker 1: did she say did that Lee Strasburg trained Teresa Russell

1558
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: say not not? Every man knows how to run ride

1559
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:43,720
Speaker 1: my boat? Absolutely yes, and we stand, let's just we do.

1560
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: We have to hand it to her. Does this movie

1561
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 1: past the Bechtel test? I think so yeah, between some people,

1562
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 1: not as much as it should. I honestly forgot to

1563
01:38:56,760 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 1: pay attention. As pretty usual. I would look back and

1564
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 1: then they would talk talking to the movie like say,

1565
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, god, damn it set up. Yeah.

1566
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 1: I think right before the girls make out, they are

1567
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 1: talking about mommy issues, So that might be. That might

1568
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 1: be the moment right before the queer baiting we get

1569
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 1: feminism and then it's gone. There's also the scene where

1570
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: the two girls go to the beach and Susie is like, oh,

1571
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 1: I thought we were going to go somewhere else and

1572
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 1: the other ones like no, I think we just like

1573
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 1: need to get wasted tonight, and then they kiss and

1574
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 1: then Sam shows up, but like they're like small exchanges

1575
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 1: within larger conversation. I think the larger conversations generally don't pass,

1576
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 1: but like individual with the micro kind of want to

1577
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:43,839
Speaker 1: give it to this movie. I don't really know why.

1578
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 1: I'm on Scarletly Journal betel test dot com and there

1579
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: are a few that I think passed in the microway.

1580
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 1: Possibly not the macroway, but it allegedly passes in that

1581
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:58,759
Speaker 1: scene you're just describing Princess between Nev Campbell and Denise Richards,

1582
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: and I guess it also passes between Denise Richards and

1583
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 1: her mom at the beginning of their conversation where she's

1584
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:07,800
Speaker 1: being asked why she's missing school, right, and there's like

1585
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 1: a couple lines that passed before it's like, oh, did

1586
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 1: a boy hurt your feelings or like whatever, um ms,

1587
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:19,759
Speaker 1: Lee Strasburg, says Teresa Russell herself. Yeah, it like sucks.

1588
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: Also that, like the scene that passes, it is also

1589
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 1: full of like a blest nineties slurs and just like yeah,

1590
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 1: every time every time I hear the R A word,

1591
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:33,560
Speaker 1: and if I'm like oh god, it's like it's like

1592
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 1: a visceral, like oh God, I forgot that used to

1593
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 1: be a thing that happened. Oh no, and that happened

1594
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: all the time. Uh well, hey, how about that nipple

1595
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 1: scale of ours zero to five nipples? Based on looking

1596
01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 1: at the movie through an intersectional feminist lens, I'm gonna

1597
01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 1: get a nose bleed. Oh I think I'll give the

1598
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 1: movie a half nipple, mostly because of the way the

1599
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:12,679
Speaker 1: movie ends, because for a long time I'm like, oh no,

1600
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:16,799
Speaker 1: these girls are lying there scheming. Then they get murdered,

1601
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:21,600
Speaker 1: so basically every bad thing that could possibly happen happens.

1602
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 1: But then it's like, wait a minute, nev Campbell was

1603
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 1: the mastermind behind the whole thing, and she's a genius,

1604
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, I do kind of like that.

1605
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:35,759
Speaker 1: Although I could have sworn that the movie ended with

1606
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 1: Kelly coming back also like her faking her death and

1607
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 1: it's the two of them like working together. That would

1608
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 1: have been feminism. That would have been like and then

1609
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,719
Speaker 1: it could have ended in a more bound way where

1610
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 1: they both live, and this movie isn't really operating on bounds. No,

1611
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 1: so I misremembered that and it's just Susie. But I'll

1612
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 1: give that ending a half nipple. The rest of the

1613
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 1: movie is trash, particularly how the movie basically reinforces this

1614
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 1: extremely harmful and sinister idea that survivors of rape are

1615
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:20,760
Speaker 1: actually lying and making it all up for financial gain

1616
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 1: and to ruin the lives of quote unquote innocent men.

1617
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 1: Horrible thing to reinforce, very gross. And then all the

1618
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 1: other things we talked about, just you know, the exploitation

1619
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:38,799
Speaker 1: and constant objectification of women's bodies, and all the other stuff.

1620
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 1: The one cop who's a woman being the one leading

1621
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 1: the charge on disbelieving the other woman and being right.

1622
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 1: The list goes on. Just it's a cluster fluck. Um

1623
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: I do. I would down the line want this movie

1624
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 1: in a group. This would be a fun movie to

1625
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 1: watch in a group. Oh yeah, a drinking game. Definitely

1626
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:08,120
Speaker 1: for every twist you die. But I'll give the movie

1627
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 1: half nipple, even though I don't think it really deserves it.

1628
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 1: And I will give that half nipple. I'll give it

1629
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 1: to the actor Daphne ruben Vega, not the character she plays,

1630
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:25,920
Speaker 1: but the Yeah she rocks. I'll meet you there. It

1631
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 1: feels wrong giving this movie nothing because it's doing so much. Um,

1632
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 1: it would feel it would feel mean, but for the

1633
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:37,559
Speaker 1: for the reasons that we've been talking about for apparence

1634
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 1: of two hours now. It is like this movie is

1635
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 1: kind of like like it creates all these trapdoors to

1636
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:48,800
Speaker 1: make it impossible to talk about UM. But I think,

1637
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, I think all things considered, we did we

1638
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,680
Speaker 1: did a pretty good job. Because it's like, well, this

1639
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:55,680
Speaker 1: almost made a point, but then if you go back

1640
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 1: to the original plot point that two young girls are

1641
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: lying about assault, that kind of makes all the points moved.

1642
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 1: This movie is saying everything and nothing at the same time.

1643
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,759
Speaker 1: It made my head hurt, truly in good and bad ways.

1644
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 1: It feels like the most erotic and thrillyst erotic thriller

1645
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 1: I have maybe ever seen. Yeah, I don't know that

1646
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 1: I necessarily have much to add to what we've already said,

1647
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: except that, uh, someone wrote a whole essay that's cited

1648
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 1: on Wikipedia that this is loosely based on a Greek tragedy. Yeah,

1649
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 1: it's like you're telling me that Matt Dylan is supposed

1650
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 1: to be Hippolytis. It just doesn't make sense. But I

1651
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:45,680
Speaker 1: think that that speaks to how baffling this movie is

1652
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,479
Speaker 1: to like people need it to make sense in some way. UM,

1653
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 1: and by relating it to some of the oldest stories

1654
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:55,599
Speaker 1: that exist on the planet. Um, okay, look, I like

1655
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:00,120
Speaker 1: how Ultimately at the end, someone says, who says it?

1656
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 1: It's Bill Murray, much like e t he says, be good, confusing,

1657
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna gonna have a nipple and I'm gonna, um,

1658
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 1: I guess you gave yours to Dapty ruben Vega. So

1659
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 1: she's I'm going to give mine to Teresa Russell and

1660
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: um and her landline telephone. Yes, yes, that's amazing. I'm

1661
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 1: gonna put your two half nips together and make it

1662
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 1: into one full nipple. Only because I do appreciate Nev

1663
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:33,640
Speaker 1: being like this white man killed an indigenous person, and

1664
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:35,160
Speaker 1: so I'm going to everyone his life and all the

1665
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:39,519
Speaker 1: white people around and I'm like, you know, I can,

1666
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 1: I can get down with that. And I think, you know,

1667
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 1: to quote from Macbeth, this this film is full of

1668
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:52,200
Speaker 1: sound and fury signifying nothing. Um and and yet I

1669
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:55,479
Speaker 1: will admit it got me sometimes. I know. That was

1670
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:58,840
Speaker 1: kind of like, damn, they do look good, though I

1671
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:01,200
Speaker 1: was I really, I was just talking to Jamie. I'm like,

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01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 1: damn it. Part of the the sexy people do be sexy.

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01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 1: It was definitely a thing where I was like, I

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01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 1: was like, Princess, you're watching this to a feminist lens,

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01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:14,640
Speaker 1: and I'm just like and I'm like, yeah, this is

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01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: not very bad, so you're watching respectfully, respectfully, So it's

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01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:24,920
Speaker 1: one respectful nipple. And I'm gonna give it to Nev

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01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:29,800
Speaker 1: for being an ally, for literally making the rich eat

1679
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,360
Speaker 1: themselves and then walking away with a bunch of money

1680
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 1: into the sunset. Um. Yes, love love that for her,

1681
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 1: which she didn't have to, you know, uplift sexist tropes

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01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, And and it is such a fascinating, cool,

1683
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 1: inciting incident for the dafty ruben Vega character, for her

1684
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,960
Speaker 1: to be avenging an indigenous friend, and the fact that

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01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:54,919
Speaker 1: that is also a really interesting salient, like super regional

1686
01:46:54,960 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 1: plot point to that is just dropped. Is garbage, all right.

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01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:07,679
Speaker 1: This movie was edited by a woman. That's my final

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01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:10,160
Speaker 1: drop of the episode. So well, I'm going to give

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01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:13,320
Speaker 1: her credit for making them look hot and for putting

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01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:15,680
Speaker 1: that shot of the rock coreon and that thought I

1691
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:20,160
Speaker 1: was gonna say, do you think assis Man could come

1692
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 1: up with something of that caliber? Not possible? All right, Well, Princess,

1693
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,479
Speaker 1: thank you so much. For coming back, come back any time.

1694
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:34,680
Speaker 1: I love this place. I love talking to y'all. I

1695
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 1: feel like I get a mini film education just coming here.

1696
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 1: And thank God for you, Caitlin keeping our horny energy

1697
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 1: on on Landy, like, come on, guys, it isn't could

1698
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 1: have gone to a really dark We could have ended

1699
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,639
Speaker 1: that by being like, so all things considered pretty good

1700
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:54,240
Speaker 1: movie and Kaylin, through the power of Alfred Millinez like

1701
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 1: then let's remember Reinfortunate and we're just like, yeah, yeah, Kayla,

1702
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,280
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, You're right. I am wearing the

1703
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:04,840
Speaker 1: shirt that Jamie designed for Super Hockey Alfred Molina my

1704
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 1: one true love. So hopefully it comes back one day.

1705
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:13,680
Speaker 1: Well fingers crossed. Princess, where can we find you on online?

1706
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Tell us where to find you? There's a million places

1707
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 1: to find You'll let them know if I'm not seducing

1708
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:21,720
Speaker 1: people by the pool. I am on Twitter at the

1709
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:27,400
Speaker 1: Weeks Princess, and then I am on YouTube as Princess Weeks,

1710
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 1: and I also have podcasts now. I did the It's

1711
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 1: Lit on a Bridge podcast for PBS and I currently

1712
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 1: co host the Netflix Gee podcast with Tessa Netting. We

1713
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 1: got to interview Neil Gaiman ever heard of him? Um

1714
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,719
Speaker 1: for Sandman and like a lot of really fun talent.

1715
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just a pleasure to be to be seen,

1716
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:55,479
Speaker 1: be heard and be part of feminist history. By being

1717
01:48:55,479 --> 01:49:01,440
Speaker 1: part of the Bechtel Cast, we are kind of legendaries.

1718
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not Stephen Peters, but you know, we

1719
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:11,400
Speaker 1: just rival Peter Stevens. We're working on it. You guys

1720
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 1: will get there, I mean, like you will age and

1721
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:19,240
Speaker 1: that's really all it takes to become here. We will

1722
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:22,600
Speaker 1: become progressively more and more out of touch with the

1723
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 1: youth of today. We will achieve Stephen Peters level of

1724
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance about what teen girls are like. Actually that

1725
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 1: might not be positive, but you can help us get

1726
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:38,760
Speaker 1: to that that legend status by you know, just ris

1727
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:42,760
Speaker 1: up following us on social media Twitter and Instagram at

1728
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. Why don't you, you know, follow us and

1729
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 1: subscribe on whatever podcast platform and write and review us

1730
01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:52,840
Speaker 1: while you're at us. Give us five nipples. And then

1731
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 1: there's also, of course our Patreon a k a. Matreon,

1732
01:49:57,439 --> 01:50:01,400
Speaker 1: where we cover two bonus episodes every single month. Plus

1733
01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 1: you get access to the back catalog and you'll hear

1734
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 1: such episodes as Saw and others came over Slam. So

1735
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:16,439
Speaker 1: check that out at patreon dot com slash spectel cast.

1736
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:21,519
Speaker 1: It's five dollars a month, well spent. Hell yes, um,

1737
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 1: you can also get our merchant t public dot com

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01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 1: slash the back dol Cast will have new merch coming

1739
01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:33,519
Speaker 1: out soon. Look. Oh, my critics will say, I haven't

1740
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 1: designed new merchant three years. Well get I've just been

1741
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:42,160
Speaker 1: cooking up some little ideas, so don't worry about it.

1742
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 1: Be fine, I can't wait. Well, I'll have Kevin's bacon.

1743
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:51,400
Speaker 1: But it's Kevin the Minion. It's no, I'm not doing

1744
01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 1: port I trust me. There there's nothing left to be

1745
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 1: said in the world of sexualized minions. I have nothing

1746
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:03,720
Speaker 1: to add to the conversation. It's been exhausted. She's exhausted.

1747
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm tired. Their cheeks are in the movie. We

1748
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:12,600
Speaker 1: should have minions merch. It doesn't need to be sexy.

1749
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 1: We should have minions merch. Um. So I just got

1750
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:20,759
Speaker 1: a sidetracked by the possibilities. Princess, please come back. I will.

1751
01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 1: I will take something even scarier than this. Oh my goodness,

1752
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 1: I mean this is gonna be hard to top. But boy,

1753
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:34,639
Speaker 1: howdy will I try well with that? Um? Hey, be good,

1754
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 1: be good. To quote famous character Bill Murray, bye bye,

1755
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:40,960
Speaker 1: bye bye,